Death toll on the roads is virtually identical to 2019

**F5 Dave** · 16th January 2021, 07:32

A practical retest with tiered outcomes, say for instance having to attend training and retest . This would give an interface with the general public to a trained professional assessment of thier driving. It's an extension of Scubies comments. How else will they know?

**pritch** · 16th January 2021, 08:20

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

A practical retest with tiered outcomes, say for instance having to attend training and retest . This would give an interface with the general public to a trained professional assessment of thier driving. It's an extension of Scubies comments. How else will they know?

The problem with this is similar to requiring professional driver training for new drivers. The farmers would be instantly up in arms about having to transport their offspring to town for training. The National Party would be instantly vocal in opposing the training 'cause farmers...

Other countries do it of course, but we have a very large "too hard" basket.

**F5 Dave** · 16th January 2021, 09:09

Good point. Exemptions for farmers just so they shut the fuck up.

**roogazza** · 16th January 2021, 09:37

Originally Posted by pritch

The problem with this is similar to requiring professional driver training for new drivers. The farmers would be instantly up in arms about having to transport their offspring to town for training. The National Party would be instantly vocal in opposing the training 'cause farmers...

Other countries do it of course, but we have a very large "too hard" basket.

My pet hate is the type of person doing the training/grading and just how good they are.

In the past I have seen some real doosy's doing licence testing for example at AA.

**Jeeper** · 16th January 2021, 09:45

Originally Posted by roogazza

My pet hate is the type of person doing the training/grading and just how good they are.

In the past I have seen some real doosy's doing licence testing for example at AA.

That has been my experience as well. Not all trainers and assessors are actually good. There are some good ones, and equally there are some assessor where it makes you wonder 'how did they get to be assessors'. I have had the privilege of witnessing my teenagers going through driving tests, coin flip really.

**pete376403** · 16th January 2021, 10:08

Might be urban legend but I have heard / read VTNZ have a policy of 50% or thereabouts failure rate.

**pritch** · 16th January 2021, 11:30

Originally Posted by pete376403

Might be urban legend but I have heard / read VTNZ have a policy of 50% or thereabouts failure rate.

Some people really aren't very smart, f'rinstance turning up for the test in a car with an expired warrant. Fail.

A guy of my acquaintance was telling those assembled in the local hostelry that his son was failed his driving test because he turned up for the test in bare feet. I didn't have a problem with that. If they turn up for the test in jandals that should be a fail too.

There might be a financial incentive to fail people these days if a retest costs another fee.

**Kickaha** · 16th January 2021, 11:42

Originally Posted by pritch

A guy of my acquaintance was telling those assembled in the local hostelry that his son was failed his driving test because he turned up for the test in bare feet. I didn't have a problem with that. If they turn up for the test in jandals that should be a fail too..

That's a lot safer than driving wearing motocross boots

**pritch** · 16th January 2021, 12:15

Originally Posted by Kickaha

That's a lot safer than driving wearing motocross boots

It's about control and none of those options are appropriate. Good contact with control surfaces is important. The Armorguard packaging used to warn against putting it on control surfaces. It turned out that the seat is a control surface too.

**Kickaha** · 16th January 2021, 13:33

Originally Posted by pritch

It's about control and none of those options are appropriate.

I would disagree, driving barefeet you have far more feel than any footwear including auto racing boots

**F5 Dave** · 16th January 2021, 14:47

When I did my bike licence I just assumed it had a wof as I'd bought it a week or so before as I hadn't fancied doing licence on my XR250 with no indicators mirrors, sidestand, 1/2 a muffler. Last 2 got fixed but I'd bought an RD350 by then and in an ingenious display of deception applied some crude 250 stickers. But got cold feet, plus it used to oil plugs regularly. So bought a GSX250 to get licence.

He asked about the wof, I kinda shrugged and he got bored of looking. Later after passing I discovered there was none. Sheesh can't trust some people.

**Jeeper** · 16th January 2021, 14:47

Originally Posted by pritch

There might be a financial incentive to fail people these days if a retest costs another fee.

Retest has never been free.

**pritch** · 16th January 2021, 15:29

Originally Posted by Kickaha

I would disagree, driving barefeet you have far more feel than any footwear including auto racing boots

Maybe if you drove bare foot all the time, otherwise it would feel weird. We'll just have to disagree. I'm definitely wearing shoes to my next drivig test.