OMG RIP here we go again etc

[eldog]

Motorcycles were cheap transport once. Not a luxury like they are now.

Jap import cars kill motorcycles. Why would a young chap spend $10k on a motorcycle when he can buy a fast car that carries five and fill it up with slightly overweight yet scantly clad young women?

Bugger, I knew I shoulda brought a fast car......

[rastuscat]

Do you have actual facts to back this up?

Bike v pole. Just about everyone else managed to avoid it. Hard to blame the pole.

[rastuscat]

Motorcycles were cheap transport once. Not a luxury like they are now.

Jap import cars kill motorcycles. Why would a young chap spend $10k on a motorcycle when he can buy a fast car that carries five and fill it up with slightly overweight yet scantly clad young women?

That's the seminal moment. Jap imports. It's when the decline in bikes started. Today motorcycling is more of a pastime then a utility, as it used to be.

[nzspokes]

Or they just got out of riding school and got unlucky through the fault of someone else.

No its from your made up bullshit.

[EJK]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-heral...mh-near-tekapo

That is near the top of third gear, with three more to go! Good effort.

Solid effort in a Mazda 3!

[Old Steve]

I call bullshit on that one.

Crasher, have you anything with which to support such an erudite response.

I don't have any other information apart from the statement given by a motorbike trainer whom I respect. But my statement does appear to have an aspect of logic to back it up. Those of us who wear hi-viz just might be slightly more visible for the numbats driving cars to see us, and it may be that having chosen to wear a hi-viz we fit into a more conservative subset of motorbike riders who don't take the risks that the squids at the other end of the biker spectrum take. That still leaves us 14 times more likely to be killed or injured, but I'll take any improvement in the odds. By the way, I wore hi-viz right from the start of riding a motorbike, not because of any figures I have heard which support it.

However, if you do have data to support your supposition, let's have it.

[caspernz]

Crasher, have you anything with which to support such an erudite response.

I don't have any other information apart from the statement given by a motorbike trainer whom I respect. But my statement does appear to have an aspect of logic to back it up. Those of us who wear hi-viz just might be slightly more visible for the numbats driving cars to see us, and it may be that having chosen to wear a hi-viz we fit into a more conservative subset of motorbike riders who don't take the risks that the squids at the other end of the biker spectrum take. That still leaves us 14 times more likely to be killed or injured, but I'll take any improvement in the odds. By the way, I wore hi-viz right from the start of riding a motorbike, not because of any figures I have heard which support it.

However, if you do have data to support your supposition, let's have it.

Nothing wrong with Pete's (Crasher) assertion. You've more or less worked it out for yourself.

It's not what you wear, it's how you ride the bike that makes the difference. Positioning and following distance make a bigger difference than the colour of your suit. I do a bit of both, wear black one piece leathers and hi-viz vest or jacket other times. There's a difference that can be seen in how other road users react. The short version is that in cases where another road user doesn't actually look your way long enough, the hi-viz makes no difference. Positioning within the lane and following distance make the difference, oh and of course expecting not to be seen and making an adjustment for that. Call it Roadcraft if you like, and no, following it doesn't make you bullet proof but it improves your odds

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crasher, have you anything with which to support such an erudite response.


However, if you do have data to support your supposition, let's have it.

Keep ya hair on. I'm not nor was I having a go at you. I simply think you'll find that any such claim is total bullshit. You'll be doing well to find any such stats. But you're welcome to try and find conclusive evidence to back up the claim. I have better things to do. We still have cunts driving their cars/trucks etc in front of fucking locos. They're quite visible.

[Whynot]

We still have cunts driving their cars/trucks etc in front of fucking locos. They're quite visible.

Ahh but if the Locomotive was wearing a hi-vis vest ......

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ahh but if the Locomotive was wearing a hi-vis vest ......

Well, they have headlights that could melt the sun, make the ground shake, and a horn that could wake the dead. But yeah. maybe a high vis would be the answer.

[Voltaire]

Keep ya hair on. I'm not nor was I having a go at you. I simply think you'll find that any such claim is total bullshit. You'll be doing well to find any such stats. But you're welcome to try and find conclusive evidence to back up the claim. I have better things to do. We still have cunts driving their cars/trucks etc in front of fucking locos. They're quite visible.

I was in the van the other day and the train approaching lights and bells started ringing, the cars stopped and the barrier arms dropped.

I was quite surprised to see a motorcycle weave past the cars and thru the lowered arms.

Can't say if he had Hi Viz on as i was in dumb arse cager mode with stereo cranked and reading KB posts on my phone

[Katman]

By the way, I wore hi-viz right from the start of riding a motorbike, not because of any figures I have heard which support it.

Did it save you from any of your previous crashes?

[scumdog]

Here is the Ministry of Transports report for 2016.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...clecrashfacts/

The figures for motorcyclist at fault in a crash are lower than expected, going by my experience I expected it to be nearer 75%

[rastuscat]

All this discussion about fault. As if fault makes any difference.

It's still us who end up in the ambulance or hearse.

How about we stop rolling around in an argument about fault and think about what we can do to prevent being someone else's victims.

For example, instead of blaming crap roads for our woes, how about we ride like the roads are crap. Instead of erupting about people not giving way, how about we ride like people might not give way.

Just a thought.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ahh but if the Locomotive was wearing a hi-vis vest ......

But they are, it's the whole reason the front of every train is yellow (tho that could potentially change thanks to headlight improvements)

"Historically train fronts were required to have a yellow panel in order to make them more visible, a move which came in the 1950s when newer diesel and electric trains were found to be far quieter than steam."