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    Got the bastard, ring feeder was the fix
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    It must be a female..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken seeber View Post
    It must be a female..
    Do you think you can tame a female with a ring Ken? My experience points in the opposite direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flettner View Post
    Got the bastard, ring feeder was the fix
    To quote a famous Kiwi -" Well Neil, we knocked the bastard off".

    But I'm still confused (as you'd expect), no sprues/risers? - just a ringfeeder?
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    [QUOTE=WilDun;1131022862]To quote a famous Kiwi -" Well Neil, we knocked the bastard off".

    But I'm still confused (as you'd expect), no sprues/risers? - just a ringfeeder?[/QUOTE

    I'd already cut them off for the photo. I'd like at least two of these cylinders but seems I've damaged my crucible, It's got a crack running up it. Novus? Best I order another one now as it might take a while to get here from Mexico, apparently where they are made.

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    Sorry, just noticed where one of them was in the second photo.

    Yes, a cracked furnace is something that can be tolerated but a cracked crucible is something else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Well worth a look at the detail of the casting water jackets etc
    http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15385
    Just looking at the surface of the valve stem (on the F1 details - scroll down almost two thirds), no one seems sure just what it is, but it looks for all the world like sintered bronze! then maybe it's the parent metal, heavily etched. - Somebody will know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilDun View Post
    Just looking at the surface of the valve stem (on the F1 details - scroll down almost two thirds), no one seems sure just what it is, but it looks for all the world like sintered bronze! then maybe it's the parent metal, heavily etched. - Somebody will know!
    If you are meaning the surface of the valve It will have a slippery coat of something along the lines of Ti Nitrade

    or are you meaning the pic with the valve inside the guide

    oh this one?
    The stem of valve, complete with low friction texture surface coating for improved oil retention - remember, a hydrodynamic film is not easy sustain on a reciprocating valve stem and it is relying more-so on boundary lubrication. On close inspection it does look more like PVD coating but further testing required to be certain, the 'roughness' certainly does aid oil retention

    PVD
    Physical vapor deposition (PVD) describes a variety of vacuum deposition methods which can be used to produce thin films and coatings. PVD is characterized by a process in which the material goes from a condensed phase to a vapor phase and then back to a thin film condensed phase. The most common PVD processes are sputtering and evaporation. PVD is used in the manufacture of items which require thin films for mechanical, optical, chemical or electronic functions. Examples include semiconductor devices such as thin film solar panels,[1] aluminized PET film for food packaging and balloons,[2] and coated cutting tools for metalworking.[3] Besides PVD tools for fabrication, special smaller tools (mainly for scientific purposes) have been developed.[4]
    Common industrial coatings applied by PVD are titanium nitride, zirconium nitride, chromium nitride, titanium aluminum nitride.[5]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_vapor_deposition

    all the Ti Nitride i had previously seen was surface ground like a fork leg
    interesting stuff.
    From what i understand a lot of vlave guides are now made from aluminum bronze not sure re the racing stuff though.
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    Guides - from around the mid 80's a lot of production japanese valve guides were an iron based sintered material - hard as buggery too.
    I've yet to find a better material for race guides than bronze of one variety or another.

    The seats on that F1 head interest me. Beryllium copper - which is illegal now. I'd suspect that the old standby of Admiralty bronze or something similar is back. The racekit GSXR750 heads of the first gen motors had bronze seats - and very nice to work with too.
    30 degree seat angles too - the old is new again.....

    I'm a little dubious about the stem coatings - do you really need to maintain a film there ? Most bike 4V engines have very marginal stem lubrication - and live quite happily too. Any roughness will simply cut the guide out PDQ - In my experience anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Guides - from around the mid 80's a lot of production japanese valve guides were an iron based sintered material - hard as buggery too.
    I've yet to find a better material for race guides than bronze of one variety or another.

    The seats on that F1 head interest me. Beryllium copper - which is illegal now. I'd suspect that the old standby of Admiralty bronze or something similar is back. The racekit GSXR750 heads of the first gen motors had bronze seats - and very nice to work with too.
    30 degree seat angles too - the old is new again.....

    I'm a little dubious about the stem coatings - do you really need to maintain a film there ? Most bike 4V engines have very marginal stem lubrication - and live quite happily too. Any roughness will simply cut the guide out PDQ - In my experience anyway.
    Remember those valves are air operated. likely piss all oil gets near them.
    Pretty sure the blurb said 2% Be on the seats, not sure about the rest i only skimmed it.
    The beryllium-copper alloy used for valve seats has less than 2% Be content. With 2% Be or less the alloy still has good thermal conductivity, plus it also has a good CTE match with the aluminum head material, good mechanical strength, and is compatible in contact with a titanium valve face.
    Actually it might be in the Q&A afterwards.

    Seen this which might interest flet and Ken
    Cosworth used a pressure cast process, but I think it was implemented some time after Brian's head was made. I don't know much about the process, as I worked out of Northampton and Wellingborough. I do know however the alloy was pretty secretive and impossible to de-burr by machine, and were done by hand.

    John

    John, they did surely, it was pressurized into a zircon coated steel tool. This was mainly for mass production though, allowing faster cycle times and therefore reduced porosity due to upped pressures.
    This then saved having to make new sand moulds for each shot, just spray tool with wash when open and away you go. Temperature can be also controlled locally via coolant channels, providing chilled areas to thicker sections.
    Sand cores for coolant galleries still need manual placement within tool though as with current mass produced cylinder heads
    I always wondered how they did it
    Same coated steel dies by the sound of it
    that zeconium is available a PVD like ti nitride
    http://www.pvdcoatings.net/faq
    so i guess it blocks the heat and resists losing the steel.
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    I still think it's heavily etched and ground, - but I have often been wrong - I accept that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilDun View Post
    I still think it's heavily etched and ground, - but I have often been wrong and I can accept that!
    I'm wondering if it's chemical erosion. The engines from that period used rocket fuel - and they are actually used parts.

    The divergent valve guides used in conjunction with parallel cam follower buckets must put side load on the stems too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    I'm wondering if it's chemical erosion. The engines from that period used rocket fuel - and they are actually used parts.

    The divergent valve guides used in conjunction with parallel cam follower buckets must put side load on the stems too...
    Pretty sure those the cam followers are radially mounted
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    and the cams are schewed.
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    But yeah it could be just errosion

    Hey Greg what does the MV/Cagiva radial valve set up look like Same as this?
    Pretty sure ferari designers designed the top end of those.
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    No idea on the MV. I note reading further on in that F1 thread that they're now interposing finger followers between cam and bucket. Those are apparently angle faced and the cams plain parallel. That head certainly looks like parallel buckets - but apparently not so.
    That guy's foundry book when it comes out will be worth reading...

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    If you stick with 2 strokes,none of that complicated "valve stuff" is needed!!

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