The firearm thread

**Mr Merde** · 21st June 2007, 10:04

As the title said, not too well today.

Feeling a little under the weather so I stayed home.

Got a little bored after 1 hour so I thought I would drag out all the guns and give them a clean and polish. AGAIN

Finished all the rifles and shotguns. Now for the pistols. Hang on I have some reloading tasks that need doing

Pop down to the shed. Get out the 500 .44 Mag cases that I have put through the tumbler.

"better start by decapping them" Started doing this and after about 50 the bloody decapping pin broke. Chrecked all my spares. Bugger none there. No dies I can rob, Oh well. There goes that idea.

How about reloading the ones I have. Sh1t, not enough powder.

I know MDU gave me some lead the other day.

So now I'm sitting waiting for the lead pot to heat up.

I'll spend the rest of the day casting some new heads for my 44's and possibly some for my .30 Carbine.

Not really the bestr thing to do when not feeling well but I'm so addicted to working that it feels strange not to be there.

Need a bloody good break. 2 weeks sounds like "just what the doctor ordered". Better check when I get back to work.

By the end of the day I should have a couple of thousand .44 projectiles and a large number of .30.

DOES anyone out there have moulds for 30-30 projectiles. Seriously short of these and getting my hands on lead projectriles is damm hard.

Coffee time. Gotta stop rambling.

Mr

**Mr Merde** · 21st June 2007, 16:09

Decided that I needed a break from casting projectiles.

Threw on the gumboots an old coat and a hat and went for a walk in the fields around my house.

So what did I see?

1 Peacock
2 rabbits
1 hare
34 wild turkeys

Peacock looked too nice to take but the bunnies, the hare and the turkeys were so tempting.

For a short while I contemplated rushing home, getting the .223 rifle, a few rounds of ammo and a game bag.

Major problem. My freezer is on the blink so any game I harvested would have been a waste. Always another day now that I know where they gather.

I was stunned by the turkeys. 3 flocks.

The first was only 4 birds, the 2nd flock I saw I counted 22 of the birds. Bet i didnt see them all. The third flock there was only 8.

I've got another month for these before they are out of season. Definitely going to fill the freezer soon. Christmas is going to be different for my family this year.

Only thing i havent seen a lot of is possums. Tell me, do they hibernate in the winter?

Time to stop. Time for coffee. Time to ponder lost opportunities.

Mr

**Swoop** · 21st June 2007, 16:46

Originally Posted by scumdog

...has anybody got the proper press-type adjuster for a AK47 fore-sight?

I need to adjust mine so that I don't have to 'aim-off' all the time (windage is off to the right by a bit)

Windage?
The genuine article appears much like a "G-cramp" apparatus. Perhaps something similar or a drift-punch and hammer affair might do the trick?

**scumdog** · 21st June 2007, 16:54

Originally Posted by Swoop

Windage?
The genuine article appears much like a "G-cramp" apparatus. Perhaps something similar or a drift-punch and hammer affair might do the trick?

Tried the brass-drift-and-hammer routine, no luck, it got to the stage i thought I might bend/damage something.

**Swoop** · 21st June 2007, 17:02

Originally Posted by scumdog

...got to the stage i thought I might bend/damage something.

On an AK?????!!!!

BIGGER hammer!!!!!

**IamCornholio** · 22nd June 2007, 09:56

Very, Very, f'ing cool to see a 'firearm' thread in here!

Damn! I am LOVING this site here!

I have been reloading all my own for the last few years now and currently have a selection of both handguns and rifles to choose from...

I do not live in New Zealand (sadly, as you guys DO have a beautiful country) and I do not have to 'register' and such the same as you folks do where I live...

My favorite pistols that I own are the Springfield 1911A1 (.45 cal) because it is BIG as hell and packs a horrible punch when equipped with the hollow point, Triton brand, 'prefragmented' ammo that I prefer... and my Beretta 92F Centurion (custom) as it is the fastest shooting handgun I have and will easily hold 17 rounds (or more with an extended clip)...

As for rifles, I own a few Colt rifles in the 5.56mm flavor (M-16/AR-15 type) but my favorites are the ones that I built myself of this type...

My absolute FAV is the DPMS build that I did a while back...

DPMS lower (millspec of course), ALL COLT internals (less the actual trigger), 16" heavy, SS, BB with cryo treating and fluting, A3 'flattop' upper receiver with a 4.5 x 14 AO scope mounted instead of the iron sights, M4 collapseable stock, JP adjustable trigger assembly set at a perfect 2 1/2lb crack with less than crap for overtravel, Harris adjustable bipod... I forget all the crap I did to it friends but I am fixing to get a pic for sure...

Only gun I ever had that could burp off 3 holes at 100yds all touching in a second or so... Hang that paper on the wall for sure!

I own some AK models as well but tend to refer to them as my 'boatpaddles' as they are... You know...

I have shot a PILE of the SS109 ammo off at the range at steel plates but here lately I have been making my own using real carbide and such...

I have absolutely NO restrictions on the type of ammo that I am allowed to make for myself where I live and if I WANT to make me up some AP stuff... It is all good and I have NO worries at all. I have to pay out the ass to buy the stuff but I can make my own for cheap...

Anyone care to 'clue' me in as to what sort of firearm 'regulations' you guys in New Zealand have???

Judging from the first few pages of this thread that I have read so far... You folks got some serious rules and restrictions going on over here...

IamCornholio

**The Lone Rider** · 22nd June 2007, 11:17

Firearms in NZ simplified

A category - Rifles and shotguns in general, must be over a certain length

Pistol License - Must be registered with a pistol club

Other Licenses - E and C basically are automatic firearms and collectable explosives etc. Good luck getting one of those licenses though.

If you want more detail try www.police.govt.nz as I'm sure they have something there.

**IamCornholio** · 22nd June 2007, 11:49

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question dyers...

Reading that now friend...

**Swoop** · 22nd June 2007, 13:06

Originally Posted by dyers

Firearms in NZ simplified
Pistol License - Must be registered with a pistol club

Other Licenses - E and C basically are automatic firearms and collectable explosives etc.

"Collectable explosives???? Huh?
Pistols. You must be a member of a club and the pistols get registered against your licence.

"E" licence is for those politically incorrect rifles which were basically "military"... pistol grips, flash eliminators, bayonet lug, large magazine.

"C" is collector. Can have handguns under 100mm barrel length, full auto. These cannot be fired however.

**The Lone Rider** · 22nd June 2007, 13:44

Yes, collectable explosives. Some restrictions on some firearms are classed in the same class as mortars. If you have mortar rounds then you are either military or collect military weapons.

**Wolf** · 22nd June 2007, 14:22

dyers, swoop, you both forgot to mention that you have to register your arse as a "potentially lethal concealed firearm" if you eat pickled onion sandwiches in our current nanny state...

**IamCornholio** · 23rd June 2007, 00:05

Originally Posted by Swoop

"Collectable explosives???? Huh?
Pistols. You must be a member of a club and the pistols get registered against your licence.

"E" licence is for those politically incorrect rifles which were basically "military"... pistol grips, flash eliminators, bayonet lug, large magazine.

"C" is collector. Can have handguns under 100mm barrel length, full auto. These cannot be fired however.

Wow you guys have some serious regulations...

Our regulations DO vary somewhat from state to state over here but for the most part if one has a spotless record (NO felonies and such - No history of 'mental illness') then a concealed carry permit is fairly easy and inexpensive to obtain. (again, our rules DO vary from state to state)

In my particular state, My permit will allow me to carry a concealed weapon in the states bordering mine as well. My permit is not tied to a specific 'serial number' and allows me to carry any type of 'handgun' (so long as it is classified as a 'handgun') of any caliper...

We also have 'instant' background checks when purchasing a firearm and so long as your record is clean, One can usually get approved in minutes or instantly if you are a concealed carry permit holder and show them your permit...

As for 'automatic' type weapons... One will have to register the weapon as a class 3 firearm and purchase a 'tax stamp' for a few hundred bucks a year.
A separate stamp is needed for each weapon as each stamp is tied to a particular serial number... (sometimes tied to the serial number on the actual 'autosear' itself) The weapon MUST come from a class3 firearms dealer and the paperwork must be done and approved before the transfer.

We are allowed to shoot them as well...

There is this one particular range out here called 'Top Brass' which keeps a few full auto weapons for rental at their range. For some rediculous amount like $20 or $30 bucks, They will give you a shooting lane, a target, an uzi or somesuch gun, and 1 clip of ammo...

You may then watch your money disappear in a few seconds...

But you DO get to keep the little paper scraps!

**Wolf** · 23rd June 2007, 00:31

The category "B" - pistol licence - here, replaces our old "Permit to Carry", which isn't as exciting as it sounds.

Here's the deal:

On my Category A (rifles and shotguns) I can purchase a pistol through a pistol club. Said pistol belongs to me but is kept at the club under lock and key and under the control of the club's armourer. No one else can use the pistol and I can use the pistol whenever I go to the club.

The Category "B" means I can store said pistol in an approved lockable carrying case and take it home where I can lock it in an approved safe. I can then take said pistol in its carry case back to the club and practise shooting.

Such is our "Permit to Carry" or category "B" licence.

As has been said, the "E" category is for semi-autos that "look mean".

Thank a high-profile slaying and a few lying politicians for that retarded law.

I looked into the MSSA (Military Style Semi Auto, Category E) licencing requirements and they did not seem to differ much from the original requirements for a Collector's licence (Category "C") and I was wondering if the requirements for a collector's licence had been made harder, else why go through all that to get an "E" for mean-looking semiautos when you could get a "C" for real autos.

Perhaps there are those here who are more up with the comparisons between E and C licencing requirements and restrictions.

Things have become a trifle easier - when I first went for my licence it was the old "permit to procure" system - you paid your fee, got your clearance, sat and passed the safety test and were given a permit to procure a firearm which then had to be registered with the police.

Now you pay your fee, get your clearance, pass your test and get yourself licenced. Then you can present your firearms licence any time you like to purchase a rifle or shotgun and you don't have to lodge the details with the police.

**Mumbles** · 23rd June 2007, 10:52

Heres my 2cents

But its all here in the thread.... Wolf got most of it down

A cat The round count for your gun, (rim fire) .22 max is 15 (center fire) count is max 7. Center fire no free standing pistol grip, bayonet lug must be removed etc.. Storage of firearms is to prevent accidental access (stops kids from getting dads guns when he at work etc...

E cat is the greater rounds, free standing pistol grip, plus all the other bells and whistles that would have come with the gun just not the old 3 speed gearbox (Full auto)
Storage of firearms is to prevent thieft, min 8mm steal fixed into concrete two locks etc..

C Cat is for collectors they can purchase anything that they like, but the kicker is that you cannot shoot anything that is on your "C" so if you've got the old full auto you cant shoot it.... or dont get caught shootin it.
Storage of firearms is to prevent thieft, Dont have a "C" but would be along the same lines as a "B" but I think that you have to have a monitored alarm

B Cat Pistol shooting, your pistols have to relate to what you shoot and you have to get a permit off your club to purchase the gun then show permit and gun to arms officer at a police station, Last time i checked your allowed 9 pistols, to keep you license you must, belong to a pistol club that belongs to Pistol NZ, shoot 12 time a year at a club level and be a good guy/girl.

E cat once you get you dont have to belong to a club to keep.

NZ firearms license now lasts 10 years.

Not 100% sure on all of this as things of changed and i'm out of the committee side of shooting, so now doing more shooting

Did I mention to you guys that I now only live a 7 min drive to the range?

**The Lone Rider** · 23rd June 2007, 11:49

I think C cat your guns are suppose to be disabled, such as melted firing pin or something.

And one silly thing about the laws is that you might have a perfectly legal gun, but snap in a large capacity mag and you've got yourself a military rifle and it's illegal. BUT, it's not illegal to sell and buy large mags. Something like that anyway.