What policy would DEFINITELY get your vote?

[FROSTY]

If a political party could think up a new policy for law . Anything at all
What policy would get your vote 100%

For me it would be the politico who had the balls to stand up and say.
As at this moment
EVERY New Zealander is EQUAL under law. EVERY law

[puddytat]

Population control.....:dodge:

[Headbanger]

Awarding me 5 million dollars would secure my vote.







Actually, $5 and a fishburger would probably do it.

[bogan]

Population control.....:dodge:

if someone comes up with a decent solution to this theyd get my vote

[ManDownUnder]

Work for the dole

[MisterD]

For me it would be the politico who had the balls to stand up and say.
As at this moment
EVERY New Zealander is EQUAL under law. EVERY law

Unfortunately for you, Don Brash has given up the politics...


For me, 30% flat tax rate.

[BAD DAD]

New Zealand immediately resigns and if neccessary, refutes, all binds with the United Nations organisations and resumes being a sovereign nation.

[rosie631]

Three strikes and you're out

[Timber020]

Make crimes against animals and white collar crime as equally and severly punished as the others.

[Dave Lobster]

Stop paying lazy people to not work. And stop importing them.

[CookMySock]

Every support agency mandate itself to put itself out of business inside ten years. Think about it.

Steve

[Blackshear]

The definitely-no-fucking-walking-across-bridges-cause-you-think-protests-and-holding-people-up-over-a-cycle-lane-is-ok policy would get my vote.

Also making tear gas a common occurance on the fight towards crime.

[Genestho]

That's quite a loaded question that I find requires many answers, at a whole load of levels.

"They" already got my vote ...at this point the way things look - I'm fairly confident, it was a vote well placed....

Working for the Dole, nice one MDU!!!!

What B.A.D.D and Crossroads specifically lobbies for, is....

Permanent removal (or as Bert said - crushem!) of recidivist drink drivers cars (3+ convictions), banning of licenses until there is proof and ability shown that there is a commitment (Mandatory longterm alcohol treatment, monitoring along with Interlocking devices) to license ownership.

Otherwise, permanent removal of recidivists from our roads. Jail time.


Disabling of the ability to purchase and/or borrow cars.

Micheal Laws put it plainly when referring to Rachael Brown (Drunk at court - 8x recidivist drink driver from Rotovegas) What more does cyfs need to step in than front page headlines?

Millions of dollars per year of drink drive TV advertising that nobody notices -spent in better educational areas.
Alcohol related education actually reaching out to the public.
Subsidised Public Transport!

Since I started campaigning the cost of alcohol related smashes was $750 million, it is now at $1 billion per year - cost to taxpayers.
Time to change the way we do things, and before more ambulances hurtle down the cliff - nose first.



I'm done:bleh:
As you were.....

[madbikeboy]

I'm with the Guzzi widow on this one.

But, I'd like to see -
- Zero alcohol levels for under 25's
- 1st offence, 3 months jail time
- 2nd offence, car crushed, 1 year jail time
- 3rd offence - Serious jail time

Killing someone while driving drunk - same charge as murder. Since it is the same thing.

I'd also vote for someone who ignores the PC bullshit, and tells the dole bludgers to get off their collective lazy asses and work.

Finally, I'd also vote for someone who changes the law around hitting pedestrians and cyclists - if you hit someone, regardless if they dropped out of the sky, then the driver is at fault - and they serve jail time. It would save lives and create an attitude shift. It works in Holland, Sweden, Switzerland... Oh, the difference is they are civilised...

[Genestho]

I'm with the Guzzi widow on this one.

But, I'd like to see -
- Zero alcohol levels for under 25's


(Heh ok not quite done!)

YES MBB! And Commercial drivers!

[Molly]

For me it would be the politico who had the balls to stand up and say.
As at this moment
EVERY New Zealander is EQUAL under law. EVERY law

That and the cancellation of all sickness benefits and dole handouts (or at least make it repayable and only available for a limited time).

[Skyryder]

Any party that has the balls to get rid of the Treaty. It is without doubt the most destructive law in NZ.


Skyryder

[Blackshear]

Any party that has the balls to get rid of the Treaty. It is without doubt the most destructive law in NZ.


Skyryder

Must spread, etc etc.

[riffer]

Strictly speaking it's not a law.

Plenty of laws that refer to it of course.

[riffer]

Me - I'd like them to bring in vehicular homicide.

With two levels:

Vehicular manslaughter in cases where undue care and attention causes death.

Vehicular murder in cases where negligence or dangerous driving causes death.

[SMOKEU]

Decriminalize possession of pot. And to stop paying sluts to breed and leech money off the government.

[Big Dave]

Spaaaaaaartaaaaaaa!

[jaymzw]

Hmm a hard one really...

Anyone who can get rid of this P.C bullshit gets my vote,
Making NZ a republic would be nice
Giving police guns
I could go on and on


Oh wait no-one gets my vote im not old enough:rolleyes:

[Trudes]

Finally, I'd also vote for someone who changes the law around hitting pedestrians and cyclists - if you hit someone, regardless if they dropped out of the sky, then the driver is at fault - and they serve jail time. It would save lives and create an attitude shift. It works in Holland, Sweden, Switzerland... Oh, the difference is they are civilised...

You've obviously not driven down Lambton Quay here in Wellington lately. People are thick here I think and just wander out, in fact they even look directly at you and still walk out in front of you. I'm sorry, but unless you are old, a child, disabled or on a pedestrian crossing I will not stop for fuckwits who think they are impervious to being hit by a vehicle!

[Swoop]

Any party that has the balls to get rid of the Treaty. It is without doubt the most destructive law in NZ.


Skyryder
We agree on this topic, good Sir!!:Punk:

[MSTRS]

For me it would be the politico who had the balls to stand up and say.
As at this moment
EVERY New Zealander is EQUAL under law. EVERY law


Any party that has the balls to get rid of the Treaty. It is without doubt the most destructive law in NZ.


Yep. Start fresh with a constitution/bill of rights. And a plain English motto...
"If you want it, earn it".

[FROSTY]

skyrider--Yep but if all NZers are equal that wipes the treaty stuff out.

I don't agree with much the yanks do but vehicular manslaughter is definitely one crime Id like to see introduced.

[Mully]

Flat tax rate. Failing that, a tax rate that slides the opposite to the one we have (i.e. the more you earn, the less (as a percentage) of your income you pay.)

Time limit on welfare. Mandatory birth control for career welfare recipients (or maximum payment, regardless of the number of kids)

Agree on scrapping the Treaty, and the rest of the PC bollocks.

Islam law (chop off the hand) for thieves

Mandatory death sentence for people stealing bikes. (and silly cows in Nissans)

Life means life. No ifs, buts or maybes.

Return of hard manual labour for crims. Removal of kid gloves.

No parole until you have actually achieved sometime (job training, etc). No just doing your time and going back out to start again

Better driver training

Despot-for-Life Mully

[gatch]

Much harder sentencing for serious crime and severe reduction in quality of living for medium-maximum security prisons. Make it a punishment "no no mister I don't want to go back there"..

Cops being armed at all times.

Stop importing useless cunts with no skills/serious medical issues to further drain our welfare system. The ones that do get in should have a minimum english standard and be prepared to adapt to nz's way of life rather than vice versa.

Make driver licensing a privilege rather than an exercise in "pay the fees and tick the box".

Any politician that stood up and said soft cock on national tv would also get my vote (and not in a viagra endorsement kind of context either).

[Lias]

That and the cancellation of all sickness benefits and dole handouts (or at least make it repayable and only available for a limited time).

I disagree with the first part. What need to be done is make sure that those on sickness/invalids benefits are seriously ill and genuinely unable to work, and not just lazy / depressed / whatever.

[Winston001]

Seriously team, do we really need any more law and order policies??? :mellow:

NZ already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the OECD - higher even than Australia which isn't exactly a bastion of tolerance. Tougher prisons, hard labour, none of that works. It simply makes criminals harder and more bitter.

What would work is a set of laws allowing the State to intervene in families - but that is pretty draconian. A friend of mine talks about illiterate 13yr old kids of Mongrel Mob parents who are already in the criminal mould.

Somehow as a society we have to identify problem children at a young age - and either remove them to a safe nurturing family or fix their own family. That requires a whole legion of foster parents, committed teachers, social workers, and trained police officers. Not to mention the removal of civil rights of parents.

It would take years to build up the resources but it could be done.

Ready to go there?

[MSTRS]

Easier to sterilise 'em....

[bogan]

first step, remove all the bludgers right to vote, dole, prisoners, benifitees maybe, leave students on there, and retired people not receiving money from state. Thatll mean all the politicing has to be directed at people who actually contriubute to society.
Then we can start implementing some good policies outline in other posts, as the main group of naysayers wont get a say anymore.

[Genestho]

Winston001, I know the stats on imprisonment, theres a whole nother debate on that one, using common sense.


Ready to go there?

YES! Educate, nurture and protect our kids and we have a better bred generation coming!

Are you watching with interest the appointment of Christine Rankin to the Families Commission?
Any co-relation between Kim Workmans Rethinking Crime and Punishment and soft sentence options, and his arse on the board of the Families Commission? What about the tanty and resignation reaction from Druis Barret

Micheal Laws on this little pearler:
" Already she (Christine Rankin) has claimed her first scalp: Druis Barrett, a Maori policy adviser who objected to Rankin uttering the truth about child abuse. That it is particularly endemic in the Maori community, and that it has more to do with drink and drugs than cultural subjugation.

This was too much for Barrett. She was looking for excuses, and the Families Commission was a nice, safe enclave from which to deny any cultural responsibility.

That said, the pinko connection will still be in the ascendancy. How could it not be with Labour appointees such as Gregory Fortuin and liberals like Kim Workman still around the Families Commission board table? They were put in by Labour along with its chairperson Dr Jo Dryden to ensure ongoing political correctness from that quarter.

Of course, the larger question is why we have a Families Commission at all. Like the Office of the Children's Commission, it has in my view achieved absolutely nothing since its inception except to act as a make-work scheme for minor public servants and friends of the government. It has neither saved nor enriched any family bar those in its employ. And it costs $8 million a year just to keep the greedy little bugger fed."

People may love to hate Christine, but heck she doesn't muck around.
:jerry:

[Swoop]

NZ already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the OECD -
Correct. It is such a nice environment.
It should be a form of punishment for doing wrong, but that fact is missed in PC-NZ.

People may love to hate Christine, but heck she doesn't muck around.
I love her! More balls than entire gubbinment department and also, possibly, an entire all black thugby team.
Go Christine!!!

[James Deuce]

As much as most of you reactionaries hate it, there are people who simply cannot do for themselves. It's one of the main reasons why we have a "society". It's just a shame that the Western world inheirited its sensibilities from the Roman Empire, rather than the Celts who, it must be said, are rather better at being human.

I don't care what Michael Laws says about Kim Workman. I don't see Michael Laws out there making anyone else's life better. Kim has done it both directly and indirectly. I taught one of his kids drums for a while and both of his adopted boys are lovely kids, and Kim would do anything for them. Mr Workman is humble and Cares and is prepared to try and help the most unrepentant filthy scumbag criminal, with no expectation of reward or success.

He's a better man than me.

[Indiana_Jones]

Become a state of Australia? lol

-Indy

[Dave Lobster]

NZ already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the OECD

Didn't someone say that 70% of prisoners are maoris?

I'd say we also have the highest rate of maoris in the OECD too.

[Winston001]

Correct. It is such a nice environment.
It should be a form of punishment for doing wrong, but that fact is missed in PC-NZ.

The sad fact is that for some criminals - not all, but some - prison represents stability they have never known in their own lives. Its actually better than being on the outside.


I love her! More balls than entire gubbinment department and also, possibly, an entire all black thugby team.
Go Christine!!!

I think there is another thread on Christine Rankin. I don't hold any views for or against her.

[SPman]

A politician who would put threads like this out into the interdweeb, expose all the rabid reactionaries, round them up and drop them all off on the Auckland Islands, where they could whitter on about "hang em high", "lock em up and throw away the keys" "fuckin useless lazy dope smokin dole bludging lazy pricks", scream about flat tax or no tax (for them), rant about "the fuckin useless maaris, asians, wops, dagos whatever", for the 2 weeks it would take to starve them all to death!

Then, we'd start on the politicians............

[Ixion]

Nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, exchange and communication. Without compensation.

[Robert Taylor]

Stop paying lazy people to not work. And stop importing them.

EXACTLY. Also:

1) Reinstate an Air Strike Force, order Raptors for the job.

2) Make available in prisons do it yourself suicide kits

3) Outlaw the Labour, Green and all other left wing parties.

4) Compulsory military training for ALL school leavers

5) Boy racers also to attend boot camps to firmly knock the cockiness out of them.

6) Property owners over 40 years of age with a proven track record in business only eligible for the vote.

7) Introduce poll tax, a more fair and equitable system for councils

8) Bring back import licensiong and ban the importation of all low quality products.

9) Burn Helen Clark at the stake in a publicly televised ceremony for all the damage she ( it? ) has done.

Am I joking or am I serious?

[James Deuce]

No 7. Only if you remove the current rates system first.

NZ is really good at piling tax after tax after tax on a numerically declining demographic.

The rest of it is pretty good, except you left out sterilising patched gang members.

[Winston001]

Nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, exchange and communication. Without compensation.

Oh well yeah, that's all a given, no argument there me ol' fellow traveller. Thats the easy stuff. The really tough decision is who gets to be Dear Leader.....:Punk:

[SPman]

Oh well yeah, that's all a given, no argument there me ol' fellow traveller. Thats the easy stuff. The really tough decision is who gets to be Dear Leader.....:Punk:
The one with the biggest ice pick?

[James Deuce]

Filthy Trotsky-ite!

[Winston001]

One final question Karl Marx and the beautiful lounge suite will be yours... Are you going to have a go? You're a brave man.

Karl Marx, your final question - who won the FA Cup Final in 1949?

[FROSTY]

OHH NO --I agree with more of RT's ideas than I disagree with.

[Genestho]

As much as most of you reactionaries hate it, there are people who simply cannot do for themselves. It's one of the main reasons why we have a "society".

Oh my that’s PC James? Hehe, yanking your tank, cool your jets mate.

I don't care what Michael Laws says about Kim Workman. I don't see Michael Laws out there making anyone else's life better. Kim has done it both directly and indirectly. I taught one of his kids drums for a while and both of his adopted boys are lovely kids, and Kim would do anything for them. Mr Workman is humble and Cares and is prepared to try and help the most unrepentant filthy scumbag criminal, with no expectation of reward or success.

He's a better man than me.



I’m not referring to Kim personally, don’t know him, I’ve heard other people say he’s a nice guy to yak to.

In doing what he does, he would be a lot better person than a lot of us. He’d need to be....

Being privy to some peoples dealing with him in his profession, he has often, at the very least been boorish, and quite frankly for a man in his particular positions, professing to have a foot in “both camps” (offender/”victim”) he has helluva lot to learn!

James, I certainly would not have a problem in telling him that, face to face, and infact - I welcome you to pass the observation on.
I know everything said in any forum is accessable to the world.

The fabric of society suffers the most when there is imbalance between, give and take.

Reactionary? *chortle*

Hell yeah, beats apathy hands down! :Punk:

Reactional people have changed history as well as the future.
For better, or for worse.

[Lias]

Nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, exchange and communication. Without compensation.

I dont know if I'd go that far, but I'd defintly be keen to see the power companies and Telecom nationalised.


EXACTLY. Also:

1) Reinstate an Air Strike Force, order Raptors for the job.

2) Make available in prisons do it yourself suicide kits

3) Outlaw the Labour, Green and all other left wing parties.

4) Compulsory military training for ALL school leavers

5) Boy racers also to attend boot camps to firmly knock the cockiness out of them.

6) Property owners over 40 years of age with a proven track record in business only eligible for the vote.

7) Introduce poll tax, a more fair and equitable system for councils

8) Bring back import licensiong and ban the importation of all low quality products.

9) Burn Helen Clark at the stake in a publicly televised ceremony for all the damage she ( it? ) has done.

Am I joking or am I serious?
RT for Presidente?

[peasea]

EXACTLY. Also:

1) Reinstate an Air Strike Force, order Raptors for the job.

2) Make available in prisons do it yourself suicide kits

3) Outlaw the Labour, Green and all other left wing parties.

4) Compulsory military training for ALL school leavers

5) Boy racers also to attend boot camps to firmly knock the cockiness out of them.

6) Property owners over 40 years of age with a proven track record in business only eligible for the vote.

7) Introduce poll tax, a more fair and equitable system for councils

8) Bring back import licensiong and ban the importation of all low quality products.

9) Burn Helen Clark at the stake in a publicly televised ceremony for all the damage she ( it? ) has done.

Am I joking or am I serious?

Can we have one more, just so we can call them commandments?

Do you wander around in a flowing robe whilst holding a shepherd's crook?

I sense a new movie coming on; 'The Life of Robert'.

[Winston001]

The fabric of society suffers the most when there is imbalance between, give and take.

Er....not exactly. "Have and have not" is generally regarded as the better idiom.




Hell yeah, beats apathy hands down! :Punk:



Agreed, good man, having an opinion which you can argue and support is far far better than most of the population can manage. Except for talkback... :devil2:

[madbikeboy]

You've obviously not driven down Lambton Quay here in Wellington lately. People are thick here I think and just wander out, in fact they even look directly at you and still walk out in front of you. I'm sorry, but unless you are old, a child, disabled or on a pedestrian crossing I will not stop for fuckwits who think they are impervious to being hit by a vehicle!

Hmm, I'm going to be driving Lambton Quay tomorrow. I drive Parnell Road every day as well, same thing. Point is, dumb pedestrian walking out without looking isn't protected at all - not saying that a bit of fibreglass/kevlar/and dead cow is heaps of protection, but... Even worse when it's ped vs cage...

Is slowing down really that big a deal in comparison to months of hospital rehab or a pine box?

[madbikeboy]

No 7. Only if you remove the current rates system first.

NZ is really good at piling tax after tax after tax on a numerically declining demographic.

The rest of it is pretty good, except you left out sterilising patched gang members.

We pay income tax. Then GST. And fuel tax, with GST added. And ACC levies, with GST added... Our true tax rate is about 50-54%.

[James Deuce]

You still left rates out.

[PirateJafa]

Is slowing down really that big a deal in comparison to months of hospital rehab or a pine box?

It does however provide an incentive for the slackers [pedestrians] to get a job and buy a car/bike. ;)

[Marmoot]

Any one of these would do for me:

- Introducing moral and ethics education into schools from early years up to pre-university.
- Stimulate economic activity by lowering the tax rate for the lowest 2 tax brackets.
- Tax exempt for businesses oriented to advanced research & development (technology industry) and move NZ away from menial jobs such as Fisher & Paykel.
- Non-racial based democracy, including ruling out Maori party and Maori-favouring policies, preventing race-based reactionary policies (such as NZ First's initiated ideas), and viewing New Zealand as New Zealand (not a collection of 20-100 year immigrants). Nationalism should be assessed by looking forward, measured by how much contribution to the nation (tax) you give and where you really want to live, not where you are from or whether you are moving to Australia.
- Full length tunnel for Mt. Albert
- Outlawing Green party.

[Big Dave]

>>Shortly after birth, the mother of the child bathed it in wine to see whether the child was strong. If the child survived it was brought before the Gerousia by the child's father. The Gerousia then decided whether it was to be reared or not.<<

And then it gets hard. We're giving Sarge the G gig.

[Dave Lobster]

Er....not exactly. "Have and have not" is generally regarded as the better idiom.


How about the can or can't be arsed to work?

A lot of the (alleged) have nots just can't be arsed, and would rather have not and sit on their arse all day, rather than make something of themselves.

[Genestho]

Er....not exactly. "Have and have not" is generally regarded as the better idiom.



Agreed, good man, having an opinion which you can argue and support is far far better than most of the population can manage. Except for talkback... :devil2:

Thank you Good Sir.

But hangon, Winston, Mate, I actually mean't GIVE and TAKE.

Based on life experience, as a "have not" child, and after running away from home with nothing but the clothes on my back, I then became a "have not" teenager.

I know that we are all born under the same sun, (or moon).

Race, or "having nothing", has got nought to do with working hard and striving to succeed, or thinking the world owes you something and taking what you want!

We all have equal choices, it depends what we decide to do with those choices, and which roads we take.

Give to recieve, Take and get you'll nothing at all. This I can tip ya!

[Molly]

Introducing moral and ethics education into schools...

Teachers have the sense to address those sort of issues at every opportunity (as should, more particularly, decent parents).

[Trudes]

Hmm, I'm going to be driving Lambton Quay tomorrow. I drive Parnell Road every day as well, same thing. Point is, dumb pedestrian walking out without looking isn't protected at all - not saying that a bit of fibreglass/kevlar/and dead cow is heaps of protection, but... Even worse when it's ped vs cage...

Is slowing down really that big a deal in comparison to months of hospital rehab or a pine box?

Sounds like Darwinism to me, if you're too stupid to look before walking in front of a bus......
I agree, if I was speeding, however if I am doing the speed limit and some dimwit with their ipod on walks out in front of my car and I hit the brakes but still injure them, then they deserve it for being too thick to look. The road is for vehicles, we pay registration, road user charges, petrol etc etc so we can drive our vehicles on them, if pedestrians want equal rights on the roads then best they start paying some registration or something. ;)

[Robert Taylor]

No 7. Only if you remove the current rates system first.

NZ is really good at piling tax after tax after tax on a numerically declining demographic.

The rest of it is pretty good, except you left out sterilising patched gang members.

Of course, which is a tax upon a tax anyway. There are many forms of ''sterilisation'' btw.

[James Deuce]

Sounds like Darwinism to me, if you're too stupid to look before walking in front of a bus......
I agree, if I was speeding, however if I am doing the speed limit and some dimwit with their ipod on walks out in front of my car and I hit the brakes but still injure them, then they deserve it for being too thick to look. The road is for vehicles, we pay registration, road user charges, petrol etc etc so we can drive our vehicles on them, if pedestrians want equal rights on the roads then best they start paying some registration or something. ;)

Actually, it was really horrible to watch. People fly a long way when buses hit them and when they don't get up and the heap on the road is the wrong shape to be a person you don't forget it. I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with it, because I could easily do it. I did do it in France. Look right, left, right doesn't work very well in a country where they drive on the right.

[Robert Taylor]

OHH NO --I agree with more of RT's ideas than I disagree with.

Would you like to attend my right wing karioke night?

[Robert Taylor]

I dont know if I'd go that far, but I'd defintly be keen to see the power companies and Telecom nationalised.


RT for Presidente?

10) People that ''dont look right'' are out of here.

[Robert Taylor]

Any one of these would do for me:

- Introducing moral and ethics education into schools from early years up to pre-university.
- Stimulate economic activity by lowering the tax rate for the lowest 2 tax brackets.
- Tax exempt for businesses oriented to advanced research & development (technology industry) and move NZ away from menial jobs such as Fisher & Paykel.
- Non-racial based democracy, including ruling out Maori party and Maori-favouring policies, preventing race-based reactionary policies (such as NZ First's initiated ideas), and viewing New Zealand as New Zealand (not a collection of 20-100 year immigrants). Nationalism should be assessed by looking forward, measured by how much contribution to the nation (tax) you give and where you really want to live, not where you are from or whether you are moving to Australia.
- Full length tunnel for Mt. Albert
- Outlawing Green party.

Some great ideas except the Mt Albert arterial route should still be above ground. It demolishes in excess of 100 Labour voting households.

[Trudes]

Actually, it was really horrible to watch. People fly a long way when buses hit them and when they don't get up and the heap on the road is the wrong shape to be a person you don't forget it. I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with it, because I could easily do it. I did do it in France. Look right, left, right doesn't work very well in a country where they drive on the right.

Absolutely, but is that the car/bus/motorcyclists fault? That is what this is about. Do I deserve to go to jail for someone walking out in front of my car when I'm doing the speed limit, eyes on the road, hands on the steering wheel and minding my own business? That's what the point is.

[short-circuit]

EXACTLY. Also:

1) Reinstate an Air Strike Force, order Raptors for the job.

2) Make available in prisons do it yourself suicide kits

3) Outlaw the Labour, Green and all other left wing parties.

4) Compulsory military training for ALL school leavers

5) Boy racers also to attend boot camps to firmly knock the cockiness out of them.

6) Property owners over 40 years of age with a proven track record in business only eligible for the vote.

7) Introduce poll tax, a more fair and equitable system for councils

8) Bring back import licensiong and ban the importation of all low quality products.

9) Burn Helen Clark at the stake in a publicly televised ceremony for all the damage she ( it? ) has done.

Am I joking or am I serious?


Who cares...you're a cock

[Genestho]

Who cares...you're a cock

That particular policy doesn't get my vote.:laugh:
The ignore policy does though!:done:

[James Deuce]

Absolutely, but is that the car/bus/motorcyclists fault? That is what this is about. Do I deserve to go to jail for someone walking out in front of my car when I'm doing the speed limit, eyes on the road, hands on the steering wheel and minding my own business? That's what the point is.
The point is that once Kiwis get in or on a vehicle they don't really care about other people. It's why our road toll continues to rise. It's difficult to explain without raising hackles, but once I had kids, my disrespect for other people, and my inability to tolerate their mistakes diminished fairly rapidly.

The world's a cruel place. We don't have to be cruel as well.

[Marmoot]

Some great ideas except the Mt Albert arterial route should still be above ground. It demolishes in excess of 100 Labour voting households.

Nothing is better than an opportunity to convert 100 reds into blues.
Everyone likes blues.

[Marmoot]

Teachers have the sense to address those sort of issues at every opportunity (as should, more particularly, decent parents).

Two issues:
1. There should be a continuity and consistency between what is taught at home and at school. Morality is a universal constant and thus provides a good basics in ensuring an acceptable standard of behavior in society.
2. Currently teachers do not have the needed authority to instill morality, unless they are willing to risk being sued by vegan tree hugging parnellian parents.

[Brownstoo]

Something relating to equality and removing all this money for maoris (or anyone else who gets privileges based on race) bulshit.
If not that then making it a lot harder to get benefits.
Or someone who just the PC brigade to fuck off.

Failing that I'll just vote act coz rodney hide wears a yellow suit sometimes.

[AD345]

What policy would be certain to get my vote?

One that kept 90% of the previous posters far far away from any policy influencing positions.


I do admit to proper laugh-out-loud at some of the statements, with two gems in particular being worthy of nomination to some sort of hall of fame...


Morality is a universal constant


We all have equal choices


:laugh::laugh:

Keep on truckin

[Trudes]

The point is that once Kiwis get in or on a vehicle they don't really care about other people. It's why our road toll continues to rise. It's difficult to explain without raising hackles, but once I had kids, my disrespect for other people, and my inability to tolerate their mistakes diminished fairly rapidly.

The world's a cruel place. We don't have to be cruel as well.

I totally agree, and I don't condone purposely mowing people down in your vehicle or not stopping if you do hit someone, I also know I would feel like shit if I did hit someone who walked out in front of my vehicle..... however I was replying (and playing devils advocate to some degree, I don't think I should be held accountable for someone else's' mistake, would you seriously be happy to serve jail time, or as some people who have replied in this thread would have it, be executed, for someone walking out in front of you while you are on your bike or in your car?) to this comment:


Finally, I'd also vote for someone who changes the law around hitting pedestrians and cyclists - if you hit someone, regardless if they dropped out of the sky, then the driver is at fault - and they serve jail time. It would save lives and create an attitude shift. It works in Holland, Sweden, Switzerland... Oh, the difference is they are civilised...

[Genestho]

:laugh::laugh:

Keep on truckin

Ok I'm backin the truck up, look you... don't pick on my diamond in the rough! :bleh::laugh:

So "choices" was the wrong word - I'm tired, I apologise..

To clarify...

I find it difficult, when I see excuses made for past history, race, and poverty, knowing that we are all born equal with the same opportunities available. Attitude and effort is everything, it comes for free, we're all capable of it, and it knows no colour.

[AD345]

Ok I'm backin the truck up, look you... don't pick on my diamond in the rough! :bleh::laugh:

So "choices" was the wrong word - I'm tired, I apologise..

To clarify...

I find it difficult, when I see excuses made for past history, race, and poverty, knowing that we are all born equal with the same opportunities available. Attitude and effort is everything, it comes for free, we're all capable of it, and it knows no colour.


I understand what you are trying to say - I just don't agree with it.

I don't think that everyone is born with equality of opportunity.

I DO think that some people make better (subjectively) choices with the opportunities that do come along than others do with the same or simlar opportunity.

However, I firmly believe in the axiom that "life is what happens while you are making other plans" and sometimes even the same coice taken by two different people with the same or simlar opportunity can result in vastly differing outcomes.

Shit happens

[davebullet]

The party that institute a National Biker day.

On this day, all motorcyclists will be treated to a ceremony with scantily clad women (or men for the other persuasion) lay the best pies at said bikers feet for said consumption.

[Genestho]

However, I firmly believe in the axiom that "life is what happens while you are making other plans" and sometimes even the same coice taken by two different people with the same or simlar opportunity can result in vastly differing outcomes.

Shit happens

Absolutely understand what you're saying there dude :Punk:

[Trudes]

The party that institute a National Biker day.

On this day, all motorcyclists will be treated to a ceremony with scantily clad women (or men for the other persuasion) lay the best pies at said bikers feet for said consumption.

Oh hell yeah!!!

[Ixion]

The party that institute a National Biker day.

On this day, all motorcyclists will be treated to a ceremony with scantily clad women (or men for the other persuasion) lay the best pies at said bikers feet for said consumption.


No beer? FAIL.

[mstriumph]

Any one of these would do for me:

- Introducing moral and ethics education into schools from early years up to pre-university....................... .

ahhhhhh but WHOSE morals? Whose ethics? :shifty:


seriously, i'd vote for anyone who'd take a firm hand to the tax system, basing EVERYTHING on the premise that income should only be taxed once ... ie either when you make it or when you spend it, NOT both :no:

....... erm :confused: ... i'd ALSO vote for anyone taking a firm hand with pollie's perks - making the whole system reasonable, transparant and AUDITABLE.

- and i'd like a referrendum here in west australia about something sensible, like bringing back hanging or doing away with middle-class welfare, instead of the ENDLESS series of daylight saving referrendums they keep thrusting at us [well, four to date - all 'no' .... what makes you think they aren't listening?]

- oh :Punk: and free city parking for bikes

... and mebbe free chocolate? ...:love:

[Ixion]

Oh. Yes. How could I overlook that.

Free txting. I have long maintained that txting is a social good so great that the means to do it should be supplied free by the government. Txting should be considered an essential and inalienable social right.

[PirateJafa]

Yours are just gibberish anyway Ixion.

[Marmoot]

ahhhhhh but WHOSE morals? Whose ethics? :shifty:


Just "everybody's moral": don't steal, don't vandalise, don't lie, etc.

Regardless of religions or faith, the 10 commandments make a good base for morality.
True story. Just ask Vin Diesel!

[Robert Taylor]

Who cares...you're a cock

Maybe, but at least Im visible

[Ixion]

Yours are just gibberish anyway Ixion.

Iz jst U. U old ppz alwz cmpln dt u cnt _stnd txt.

[short-circuit]

Maybe, but at least Im visible

I guess you have to be if you use the site as a means to sell people shit (I'm talking about good shit - as in Ohlins, not the shit shit - as in your opinions)

[davebullet]

No beer? FAIL.

I forgot to mention, beer pies are an option.

[SPman]

Absolutely understand what you're saying there dude :Punk:
Unlike about 90% of the rest - those who can not, or will not accept, that life isn't lived in harsh black and white, but encompasses all the hues of the rainbow and that narrow dogmatic outlooks invariably cause far more problems than they can hope to solve......

[mstriumph]

Just "everybody's moral": don't steal, don't vandalise, don't lie, etc.


if those WERE "everybody's morals" then arguably they WOULDN'T need to be taught in schools

but - unfortunately - they are demonstrably NOT "everybody's"
- think Idi Amin, George Bush, Mgabe [ and all the Western Powers that turn a blind eye to the carnage], most politicians [hell - probably ALL politicians <_< ], many of the catholic clergy [and their leader who seeks to pardon their crimes] ................ i could go on, that's just a small sample?

the ten commandments were written long, long ago in a country far, far away - although still holding some general relevancy to today's ills they were intended as specific to the times in which they were written and to address immediate problems in the place WHERE they were written

if you want something totally and universally as relevant today as it was in biblical times try Rabbi Hillel's response to the man who challenged him to teach the whole of Judaism whilst standing on one leg ............ he said words to the effect of "Do not do to anyone else what you would hate having done to you .......... all the rest is commentary"

that works for me irrespective, as you say, of faith or religion

[mstriumph]

Unlike about 90% of the rest - those who can not, or will not accept, that life isn't lived in harsh black and white, but encompasses all the hues of the rainbow and that narrow dogmatic outlooks invariably cause far more problems than they can hope to solve......

right on :Punk: extremists frighten me .... no matter WHAT their belief

[Big Dave]

We don't have to be cruel as well.

Oh great. A world without fun.

[Marmoot]

if those WERE "everybody's morals" then arguably they WOULDN'T need to be taught in schools

but - unfortunately - they are demonstrably NOT "everybody's"
- think Idi Amin, George Bush, Mgabe [ and all the Western Powers that turn a blind eye to the carnage], most politicians [hell - probably ALL politicians <_< ], many of the catholic clergy [and their leader who seeks to pardon their crimes] ................ i could go on, that's just a small sample?

the ten commandments were written long, long ago in a country far, far away - although still holding some general relevancy to today's ills they were intended as specific to the times in which they were written and to address immediate problems in the place WHERE they were written


To be frank, You seem to be nitpicking. If that is the standpoint you take then anything I provide would not be enough in your view. :) It would be like preaching about religion to an atheist: there is simply nothing that can make you believe what you have tried to prove unbelievable.

"Everybody's morals" implies to a "general standard". Not a definition of "morals obeyed by everybody", it is rather a "moral that SHOULD GENERALLY BE obeyed by everybody (i.e, general populace)". The "everybody" in this case refers to something that general populace accepts as something to aspire to. Your examples (Idi Amin, George Bush, Mugabe, etc) points to the flaw in your logic.

Children, as the root of life, grows up mostly based on the foundations that are instilled into them. Hence we see a lot of disfunctional individuals actually coming from disfunctional families (e.g., abused when they were small, growing up among poverty and crime-ridden areas, etc). If we can instill a sense of understanding between good vs. bad, between rights and responsibilities, and between action and consequences, then it would surely lead to a more developed thinking process within these growing up individuals which may well lead to increased quality. That is where the education should come in.

And to your second suggestion, "do not do unto others what you would not want others do to you". It is merely a summarisation and/or restatement of the ten commandments. To imply that it is different would open a door to possibility of Rabbi Hillel countermanding something that Moses delivered.
I agree yours would be easier to remember, but as far as education goes, it is easier to teach little kids the 10 commandments as they are more definitive.

[alanzs]

Legalize drugs and use the tax dollars for treatment, education and health care. California is talking about taxing cannabis and they conservatively estimate making over $3 billion a year in increased revenues.
Lets be proud of thinking on our own, not being a bunch of sheeple who blindly follow the US' stupid, failed policies. :shit:

[Dargor]

A way for me to represent myself on certin issues.
A "good" way for me to stay informed on what happens(everything) in house.

Some clever websites would work well.

[Winston001]

if those WERE "everybody's morals" then arguably they WOULDN'T need to be taught in schools

but - unfortunately - they are demonstrably NOT "everybody's"
- think Idi Amin, George Bush, Mgabe [ and all the Western Powers that turn a blind eye to the carnage], most politicians [hell - probably ALL politicians <_< ], many of the catholic clergy [and their leader who seeks to pardon their crimes] ................ i could go on, that's just a small sample?


Hmmm you seem to be picking on anyone you don't like or approve of, to justify the lack of a common accepted morality. The overwhelming majority of human beings are good. If this wasn't true, there would be no such thing as a community or society because it would be everyone for themselves.

I suggest there are a few fundamental rules which are common in darkest Africa or high-rise New York. Protect children. Do not steal. Do not harm other humans. Respect others.

The sad fact that these simple guidelines are not followed by some people is a cause of social breakdown.

[SARGE]

>>Shortly after birth, the mother of the child bathed it in wine to see whether the child was strong. If the child survived it was brought before the Gerousia by the child's father. The Gerousia then decided whether it was to be reared or not.<<

And then it gets hard. We're giving Sarge the G gig.

yea BOIIIIII!!!!!!

[FROSTY]

One policy would get my attention would be FREE hospital health checks for sickness benificiaries and as a result free remedial health care to ensure their return to a functional life.
Short term cost would be high long term cost low.

[Swoop]

- Stimulate economic activity by lowering the tax rate for the lowest 2 tax brackets..
Well, that will help KFC and McDonalds, but what about proper economic growth? GE Finance again?

- Full length tunnel for Mt. Albert.
Most definately! Preferably directly into the Waitemata Harbour.

- Outlawing Green party.
I have to agree on this one. Stupidity needs to be eliminated.

Some great ideas except the Mt Albert arterial route should still be above ground. It demolishes in excess of 100 Labour voting households.
NO! Beneath ground! See above...

[Street Gerbil]

Right to self defense enshrined in a law.
Requirement to all members of police force involved in patrol duty to undergo fortnightly training with firearms and requirement to always possess one when on duty.
Safe (as opposed to cost effective) road furniture.
Safe cycleways planned as parts of road layout (not ad hoc i.e. build a narrow road and let cyclists and drivers sort it out).
Zero blood alcohol limit for drivers.
Revised tax brackets.
Blanket ban on commercial fishing for the next decade and tax free gas for motorcycles and private watercraft :-)))).

[mstriumph]

To be frank, You seem to be nitpicking. If that is the standpoint you take then .................................................. .

it isn't - therefore please accept that any or all the suppositions you have made about my intentions may be misplaced


i do assure you that, where something i have said can be read as a simple NON-PERSONAL continuance of a debate or, with a bit of work, given a spin to mean something that allows someone to take personal offence from it ..... i ALWAYS mean the former. Without prior provocation i am a peaceloving gentle sort of person with no wish to give offence

i wouldn't have quoted Rabbi Hillel if i had been aware of your religious affiliations [as i have been since made aware] - it therefore was NOT a dig at you - i certainly meant no offence by it.

once again, i tender my apology for any offence you have inferred from my last post - and my assurance that none was implied. subject closed.

[mstriumph]

Hmmm you seem to be picking on anyone you don't like or approve of, to justify the lack of a common accepted morality. ...............


do you mean that you are CONDEMNING my non-approval of Idi Amin and the rest of the motley crew i mentioned?

to suggest that such non-approval is 'picking' on them ......... or that somehow my doing so is seeking to 'justify' a lack of morality is ..... strange.

[Marmoot]

once again, i tender my apology for any offence you have inferred from my last post - and my assurance that none was implied. subject closed.

Umm...no apology was necessary.
My point was that it seemed you were taking a firm non-negotiable diametrically opposed viewpoint from mine which effectively rendered any discussion as moot (due to the non-negotiable position).
Not that I am offended by it or something.

By the way, just to clear up any confusion, I am not Jewish :msn-wink:

[Winston001]

do you mean that you are CONDEMNING my non-approval of Idi Amin and the rest of the motley crew i mentioned?

to suggest that such non-approval is 'picking' on them ......... or that somehow my doing so is seeking to 'justify' a lack of morality is ..... strange.

Hmmm....the internet, a strange and tortured thing. :D Its so easy to misunderstand each other.

I think we are on a the same page, just in different places. Liked the Rabbi Hillel quote. :niceone:

[mstriumph]

........... effectively rendered any discussion as moot ................ - ermm that'd be marmoot ? ;)


..................... I am not Jewish :msn-wink:

:hug: i know - THAT's why i thought you may be offended by the quote....

[jono035]

Finally, I'd also vote for someone who changes the law around hitting pedestrians and cyclists - if you hit someone, regardless if they dropped out of the sky, then the driver is at fault - and they serve jail time.

Saw a guy earlier today walk straight through flowing traffic without so much as waiting for a gap, came very close to causing a big pileup... I'd say we've got enough pedestrian crossings and lights around the place for the most part, go the other way.

Also remember seeing kids jumping out in front of cars then going 'haha made you stop!' and running away...

I don't really believe in black-and-white situations...