Mid-winter Coro, 20 June

[DEATH_INC.]

Ok you lot, it's been about 5 years or so since I've done the loop, can't be racing that weekend at minefield:bye:, can't afford the trackday at taupo:bye:, so the loop it is. :scooter:
Meet at the Papakura autobahn at 9.30 for a 10am departure.
Prolly go via clevedon ( the hunua's are a bit yuk this time of the year :cold: ) then down the coast and across to kopu ( can meet hamiltonians there @11 ish), clockwise round the loop prolly stop briefly at whitianga for lunch, then back home via clevedon again.
As with most rides I do, everyone is welcome to tag along (we wait at the turnoffs for stragglers) so the more the merrier.
If the weathers crap may call it off, but here's hoping ....:rockon:
Edit: the long range forecast looks ok :)
Saturday
North Island, mostly fine with morning frosts, but showery in the east and a few showers from Taranaki down to Kapiti.

[DUCATI*HARD]

The dukestas are there!:chase:

[White trash]

Better idea for ya.

How about you take Friday and the weekend off work and drive our truck down to Manfeild on the Thursday night.

Lots of accomodation, drinking and debauchery for the weekend.

Much better than a fucken cold ride round Coro..........

[Lula]

The dukestas are there!:chase:

I'm keen! :2thumbsup

[2_SL0]

Could be keen.

[2_SL0]

Double post

[zx rider]

Oh Yeehaa, sounds like fun :drool: Keen, very keen.

[DUCATI*HARD]

I'm keen! :2thumbsup


Keen, very keen.

Will be a good chance to try our new heated vests out:)see you keenys there:chase:

[beyond]

Will be a good chance to try our new heated vests out:)see you keenys there:chase:

What! Are you riders or pussies? :)

Try and make it. I think I'm not working that weekend. :)

[DUCATI*HARD]

What! Are you riders or pussies? :)

Try and make it. I think I'm not working that weekend. :)

i better not tell you we will have heated grips aswell:whistle:id hate to think what you would think of us then:bleh:

see ya there bro:niceone:

[saul]

Yep naughty and I are keen. Its not thats cold really so whats with the heated vests:spanking::bleh:

[Grahameeboy]

What! Are you riders or pussies? :)

Try and make it. I think I'm not working that weekend. :)

Pacific Islander's Paul......nuff said...

[DUCATI*HARD]

Yep naughty and I are keen. Its not thats cold really so whats with the heated vests:spanking::bleh:

well my ice breaker thermals aint doing the job,,,so i figured with toastie hands and a warm core i mite just be able to keep up with you tuff,,, fast,,, cold,,,hard,,, riders:chase:

been a while saul,,,see yas there:)

[DUCATI*HARD]

Pacific Islander's Paul......nuff said...

i told ya before,,,MAORI BRO:argue:ya coming:chase:

[Grahameeboy]

i told ya before,,,MAORI BRO:argue:ya coming:chase:

Would love to but have extra time with Nats....Sunday would have been fine but hey ho.....try and do the whole loop this time eh....no hiding in de pub

So you did not originate from the Pacific then?

[Grahameeboy]

well my ice breaker thermals aint doing the job,,,so i figured with toastie hands and a warm core i mite just be able to keep up with you tuff,,, fast,,, cold,,,hard,,, riders:chase:

been a while saul,,,see yas there:)

I wear a t-shirt, boxers under my gear and stay warm.....

[Grahameeboy]

i told ya before,,,MAORI BRO:argue:ya coming:chase:

Here you go:

There are many theories about this. However, it is generally accepted that the ancestors of Polynesian people originated in Southeast Asia. These travellers and explorers were the first people to settle the islands of Melanesia, rapidly moving east into the islands that we now know as Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa. They later moved on into Eastern Polynesia (Marquesas and Society Islands), and then after some time they finally spread out to Hawai’i, Rapanui, the Cook Islands, and lastly New Zealand.

Asian then......:niceone:

[DUCATI*HARD]

Would love to but have extra time with Nats....Sunday would have been fine but hey ho.....try and do the whole loop this time eh....no hiding in de pub

So you did not originate from the Pacific then?

always next time,,,if i wasnt so busy pulling bikes outta ditches maybe i would actually get to do a loop:niceone:

Im a "Maori" bro,,,all the way from New Zealand,,,and if anyone wants to tell me any different,,,BEWARE:nono:

[Grahameeboy]

always next time,,,if i wasnt so busy pulling bikes outta ditches maybe i would actually get to do a loop:niceone:

Im a "Maori" bro,,,all the way from New Zealand,,,and if anyone wants to tell me any different,,,BEWARE:nono:

To me you are just a good dude....where ever you come from...but I have to rib ya a bit

[DUCATI*HARD]

To me you are just a good dude....where ever you come from...but I have to rib ya a bit

back at ya bro:):niceone:

[puddy]

I wear a t-shirt, boxers under my gear and stay warm.....

Jesus! That'll keep ya warm!

[Grahameeboy]

Jesus! That'll keep ya warm!

He does......................:msn-wink:

[beyond]

i better not tell you we will have heated grips aswell:whistle:id hate to think what you would think of us then:bleh:

see ya there bro:niceone:

HEATED GRIPS AS WELL!!!! :gob:

Mate, I reckon by then you will have found a way to plug in the electric blanket :)

What's wrong with a plain old g string under the leathers then? :msn-wink:





I'm just jealous. Had to ride to work and drop the motorcycle at Mr Motorcycles last Wednesday for servicing. -1 degrees and 6.30am :( :( :(

[Lula]

Will be a good chance to try our new heated vests out:)

Careful - I know some Harley riders that own those kind of vests . . .:eek: HARLEY*HARD

[saul]

well my ice breaker thermals aint doing the job,,,so i figured with toastie hands and a warm core i mite just be able to keep up with you tuff,,, fast,,, cold,,,hard,,, riders:chase:

been a while saul,,,see yas there:)


Lol yes mate I am putting naughties hot grips on tomorrow:spanking:

[DEATH_INC.]

Jesus you lot....

[HDTboy]

Keen as. How's your finger Beyond?

[beyond]

Keen as. How's your finger Beyond?

LOL, bit sore with this cold weather but ok now otherwise.
You keep your stones to yourself this time okay? :niceone:

[Cr1MiNaL]

Will be a good chance to try our new heated vests out:)see you keenys there:chase:


What! Are you riders or pussies? :)

Try and make it. I think I'm not working that weekend. :)


Yep naughty and I are keen. Its not thats cold really so whats with the heated vests:spanking::bleh:


Careful - I know some Harley riders that own those kind of vests . . .:eek: HARLEY*HARD


Jesus you lot....

Keen c ya all there ! Lyall can I sit in your wake to catch a whiff of some of that warm air :I

[beyond]

Keen c ya all there ! Llyle can I sit in your wake to catch a whiff of some of that warm air :I

LOL, reckon the only thing you'll get a whiff of is the smell of burning rubber when he starts cornering like a nutter :)

I've been behind riders leaving black licorice straps through the corners but never have I actually smelt the rubber burning till I tucked in behind Duc*hard a while back. :Police:

[Cr1MiNaL]

LOL, reckon the only thing you'll get a whiff of is the smell of burning rubber when he starts cornering like a nutter :)

I've been behind riders leaving black licorice straps through the corners but never have I actually smelt the rubber burning till I tucked in behind Duc*hard a while back. :Police:

Hahahah yea I get it all the time when I follow him in the Coromandel.... black lines are for the weak :chase: apparently.

[DUCATI*HARD]

HEATED GRIPS AS WELL!!!!

Mate, I reckon by then you will have found a way to plug in the electric blanket

What's wrong with a plain old g string under the leathers then?


they do have heated pants aswell:eek:as for the g string,,,its compulsory:niceone:



Careful - I know some Harley riders that own those kind of vests . . .HARLEY*HARD

ahaa!!!so we are not the only pussy riders:eek:


Lol yes mate I am putting naughties hot grips on tomorrow

just fitted MRS D*Hs today,,,abit of muckeration,,,but sorted it in the end,,,now for the 999:niceone:


Keen c ya all there ! Lyall can I sit in your wake to catch a whiff of some of that warm air

hardout bro!:)lol



LOL, reckon the only thing you'll get a whiff of is the smell of burning rubber when he starts cornering like a nutter

I've been behind riders leaving black licorice straps through the corners but never have I actually smelt the rubber burning till I tucked in behind Duc*hard a while back. :Police:

we will leave that story for the pub:Police:lol:spanking::devil2:

[Crazy Steve]

Will there be cake.............................................. ......

Crazy Steve...

[boomer]

Hahahah yea I get it all the time when I follow him in the Coromandel.... black lines are for the weak :chase: apparently.

i take it you'll be fessing up before hand and paying ur dues..??!

[Cr1MiNaL]

i take it you'll be fessing up before hand and paying ur dues..??!

speaka any englaish?

[DUCATI*HARD]

Will there be cake.............................................. ......

Crazy Steve...

ARE YOU TALKN HASH CAKES:clap::niceone:

[Grahameeboy]

ARE YOU TALKN HASH CAKES:clap::niceone:

More like fairy cakes for you Winter wusses

[boomer]

speaka any englaish?




you know exactly what im talking about, only you're not man enough to face up to your responsibilities.. for yourself or your 'friends'.

[Cr1MiNaL]

you know exactly what im talking about, only you're not man enough to face up to your responsibilities.. for yourself or your 'friends'.

'friends?" yea watever shit stirrer... move it along..

[boomer]

'friends?" yea watever shit stirrer... move it along..

Yeah i thought u understood alright, acting dumb and foreign only gets you so far in life huh..??!!

[DEATH_INC.]

Will there be cake.............................................. ......

Crazy Steve...
Maybe....... get in the kitchen bitch :Pokey:

[monkeymsea]

Might be there.. as long as no one laughs and my bike she is very self consious at the moment being all naked and what not... Only allowed 70kh too....

[Boosted]

whats the pace going to be like? havent done the coro loop b4 and still getting used to the new bike.. :P

[Lula]

Looking forward to going on this loop its already entertaining :clap:

[HDTboy]

Only allowed 70kh too....

Me too.
I'll try talk Two Smoker into coming along on his FXR

[Leyton]

If I concour the big boy's lisence test this friday in the rain and my health is all primo by Saturday and the weather is fine, count me in :) :banana:

[Leyton]

whats the pace going to be like? havent done the coro loop b4 and still getting used to the new bike.. :P

The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading :)

Other then that it does not have too many supprises, if I end up going you can stick with me... I ride at a reasonable pace but enjoy twistys if conditions allow.

[Cr1MiNaL]

If I concour the big boy's lisence test this friday in the rain and my health is all primo by Saturday and the weather is fine, count me in :) :banana:

Will be great having two R6's I'll be leaving with a few of the boys.... either that or the trackday :2thumbsup

[Boosted]

oh sweet, yeh know what the roads are like but neva done it on the bike :) have a bach 10mins north of whitianga... me aswell doesn't have the correct licence to ride the bike, so might just have to hit the dirt on the motox bike...

[DEATH_INC.]

whats the pace going to be like? havent done the coro loop b4 and still getting used to the new bike.. :P
Come along, Like I said in the first post, there'll be all sorts of speeds, and we don't mind waiting at the major turnoffs.

[DEATH_INC.]

Me too.
I'll try talk Two Smoker into coming along on his FXR
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: it'll be worth it just to see him own a few that think they're fast :2thumbsup

[scottjpalmer]

Might be there.. as long as no one laughs and my bike she is very self consious at the moment being all naked and what not... Only allowed 70kh too....

Yeah coz you were only doing 70 on Thursday night with your invisible L plate (I'm guilty on both counts too) :lol:

I could be keen, will see closer to the time

[Crazy Steve]

[QUOTE=Leyton;1129250388]The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading :)

Dude you are WAY off....many very experinced riders have suffered doin the loop...I couldn't think of a Road in Nz that would be more Challanging then the Loop.....

I would not suggest a person that has just got there grown up licence to do it NOT IN A PACK ! !

Do it by yourself and at your own speeds.....Doin it in a pack will make you gooo faster then normal..And CRASH ! !

Crazy Steve...

[FROSTY]

Yeah i thought u understood alright, acting dumb and foreign only gets you so far in life huh..??!!
gwan Duncan say what you really mean.
Ohh do ya mean '" Dude man up to the guy thats taking a dive because of you?"
Or do ya mean "do ya really think you'd be welcolm on this ride?"

[monkeymsea]

Yeah coz you were only doing 70 on Thursday night with your invisible L plate (I'm guilty on both counts too) :lol:

I could be keen, will see closer to the time

Hey I have some "L" plate on there.. Some how most of it got ripped off... :whistle:

[Leyton]

The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading :)

Dude you are WAY off....many very experinced riders have suffered doin the loop...I couldn't think of a Road in Nz that would be more Challanging then the Loop.....

I would not suggest a person that has just got there grown up licence to do it NOT IN A PACK ! !

Do it by yourself and at your own speeds.....Doin it in a pack will make you gooo faster then normal..And CRASH ! !

Crazy Steve...

Erm I have read your post a few times and it took me a while to see that, you had not contridicted yourself but you have empthised twice that a n00b should not ride the Coro in a pack.

I agree as you said for ride at your own pace. This can be also done in a group situation with the right dishapline. And a dishapline that is the most important of all, that is do not outride your abilty. So agree %100 cheif. Might see you there if things work out.

Leyton

[Sidewinder]

The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading :)

Other then that it does not have too many supprises, if I end up going you can stick with me... I ride at a reasonable pace but enjoy twistys if conditions allow.

bro its shit, ruff and bumpy for most of the roads. its fast and dangours and you ride like a bitch dude. but its fooking fun tho! to bad im taking the new race bike to manfield for the weekend for 2nd round of vic club or id put on the road gear and some intermedates and it would be all on like donkey kong

[Sidewinder]

Erm I have read your post a few times and it took me a while to see that, you had not contridicted yourself but you have empthised twice that a n00b should not ride the Coro in a pack.

I agree as you said for ride at your own pace. This can be also done in a group situation with the right dishapline. And a dishapline that is the most important of all, that is do not outride your abilty. So agree %100 cheif. Might see you there if things work out.

Leyton

like ive told you before. if your not gona ride fast get a differnt bike. you dont need a r6 if your no going around half the coners with knee and peg down while pulling through the redline!

[Cr1MiNaL]

bro its shit, ruff and bumpy for most of the roads. its fast and dangours and you ride like a bitch dude. but its fooking fun tho! to bad im taking the new race bike to manfield for the weekend for 2nd round of vic club or id put on the road gear and some intermedates and it would be all on like donkey kong


Yea rite, your just being a pussy! Ha I prefer the track too bro, might be at Taupo! Wish I were at Mansfield to show ya how it's done though !

[Sidewinder]

Yea rite, your just being a pussy! Ha I prefer the track too bro, might be at Taupo! Wish I were at Mansfield to show ya how it's done though !

come down bro, $135 for 2days. were doing the test day on friday aswell lol. set up my new bike and even ride it. id rather do the loop, but better race, thats why im getting it lol!
yea all these n00bs are slow as fook dude, i wana wax them all

[insomnia01]

I agree as you said for ride at your own pace. This can be also done in a group situation with the right dishapline. And a dishapline that is the most important of all, that is do not outride your abilty. So agree %100 cheif. Might see you there if things work out.

Leyton[/QUOTE]

I think this would be a eye opener for you Leyton !!!!

[Leyton]

Ok, Firstly


Sidewinder - You have never seen me ride


2ndly - What is with the ego here ? :argh:

[Cr1MiNaL]

Ok, Firstly


Sidewinder - You have never seen me ride


2ndly - What is with the ego here ? :argh:

Don't worry about ol windey Leyton, he means no harm. Kb as you will see are full of cyber warriors, pay them no heed as they are insignificant in the greater scheme of things :niceone:

[Leyton]

+1

Installing 80 Children software titles onto a PC makes tolerance level a bit nil... cant wait until I get to number #120 then it is all done!

Anyways as for the loop, count me out. The bike needs a service anyhow as I just remembered.

Maybe another day.

[Sidewinder]

Ok, Firstly


Sidewinder - You have never seen me ride


2ndly - What is with the ego here ? :argh:

um how would u know?

and ego? nah dont you have one?

[Sidewinder]

Don't worry about ol windey Leyton, he means no harm. Kb as you will see are full of cyber warriors, pay them no heed as they are insignificant in the greater scheme of things :niceone:

nah i dont like you either raj you sand nigger but its fine for you to come down and get on the piss and stay at my place next time we go to taupo like last time.
bro hes like moist of the hams bikers on here and suck and just wana cool bike

[beyond]

Crazy Steve is quite right. The Coro loop is not a ride for new riders in a group situation unless you have mind boggling discipline and self control. Most biker fatalities have occurred on this piece of road.

It's an awesome playground, heaps of glorious twisties, high speed corners and off camber corners, decreasing radiuses, blind corners and man it is fun.

But if you are prone to the red mist in a group ride, have no self control or discipline than by hell, do it alone and live to tell okay?

A "low speed" run anti clockwise can be seen here and stuff you lot that wanna have a go at me for being an arse:
:Pokey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZFDgmGrs8w&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543tEuRyInU&feature=channel

Watch these vids a few times till you know every corner and you'll be ready for the loop in a group :)

Now: I really wanted to come on this loop as I love this bit of road and wanted to catch up with you guys and girls....but I realised it's the weekend of the anniversary of my sons death and I know my missus and daughter will be cot cases and I'll be close behind them on that score. So, it's not fitting that I come. I hope you understand and certainly hope you all have an incident free awesome day.

Cheers... I'll be thinking of you.

Ride safe, watch the wet runoffs over the hill, the slips, the clay on the road but most of all.... enjoy yourselves. :headbang:

[Sidewinder]

Crazy Steve is quite right. The Coro loop is not a ride for new riders in a group situation unless you have mind boggling discipline and self control. Most biker fatalities have occurred on this piece of road.

It's an awesome playground, heaps of glorious twisties, high speed corners and off camber corners, decreasing radiuses, blind corners and man it is fun.

But if you are prone to the red mist in a group ride, have no self control or discipline than by hell, do it alone and live to tell okay?

A "low speed" run anti clockwise can be seen here and stuff you lot that wanna have a go at me for being an arse:
:Pokey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZFDgmGrs8w&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=543tEuRyInU&feature=channel

Watch these vids a few times till you know every corner and you'll be ready for the loop in a group :)

Now: I really wanted to come on this loop as I love this bit of road and wanted to catch up with you guys and girls....but I realised it's the weekend of the anniversary of my sons death and I know my missus and daughter will be cot cases and I'll be close behind them on that score. So, it's not fitting that I come. I hope you understand and certainly hope you all have an incident free awesome day.

Cheers... I'll be thinking of you.

Ride safe, watch the wet runoffs over the hill, the slips, the clay on the road but most of all.... enjoy yourselves. :headbang:

hey paul are you talking about me there?

[beyond]

hey paul are you talking about me there?

Of course not mate.... I hardly would call you a newbie eh? :)

[Sidewinder]

Of course not mate.... I hardly would call you a newbie eh? :)

yea iv rode on the road like 2 times in the lst few months tho. gota clahm down. racing now tho

[boomer]

Don't worry about ol windey Leyton, he means no harm. Kb as you will see are full of cyber warriors, pay them no heed as they are insignificant in the greater scheme of things :niceone:

remember, old Rajistani lives on a different planet to most of us. He's a god amongst gods... needless to say he wears white boots...


need i say more.

[Leyton]

Do a search on the tube for coro loop 2009, that was earlyer this year on the hyosung. I would paste the link but I am on the iPod and not at a real pc. I have only done the full loop once and enjoyed it at my pace.

Strangly enoungh I enjoyed the hauraki side more as it posed more challanges like bulges in the road from tar melted into a help and tree roots pushing up the road. Will do it later this winter and it will not be alone ....

I have been riding on and off since I was 6 , I have raced production saloons, I may be n00b in respect to the fact I just started out this year road biking but I promise you, the dishapline to not cause ones harm is interchangeable for all risk sports.

And for gods sake , before you go tooting off, just remember, you have not met me. One day you will no doubt and I will be that guy who will not put you down, and I will not pass judgement upon you... Unless I acually can support and justify it.

*rant complete* *faints*

[Sidewinder]

Do a search on the tube for coro loop 2009, that was earlyer this year on the hyosung. I would paste the link but I am on the iPod and not at a real pc. I have only done the full loop once and enjoyed it at my pace.

Strangly enoungh I enjoyed the hauraki side more as it posed more challanges like bulges in the road from tar melted into a help and tree roots pushing up the road. Will do it later this winter and it will not be alone ....

I have been riding on and off since I was 6 , I have raced production saloons, I may be n00b in respect to the fact I just started out this year road biking but I promise you, the dishapline to not cause ones harm is interchangeable for all risk sports.

And for gods sake , before you go tooting off, just remember, you have not met me. One day you will no doubt and I will be that guy who will not put you down, and I will not pass judgement upon you... Unless I acually can support and justify it.

*rant complete* *faints*

the hauraki side? what you mean the big long flat straighs?

[Leyton]

Nah nah the bit after Thames if you are doing a clockwise loop where the water and harbour is on your left. The part where there are many nz native trees with the red flowers seasonal . Pahutakawa ?

[Sidewinder]

Nah nah the bit after Thames if you are doing a clockwise loop where the water and harbour is on your left. The part where there are many nz native trees with the red flowers seasonal . Pahutakawa ?

ypu mean the thames coast road from thames to coromandel?

[Lula]

Oh its so entertaining! :clap:

[howdamnhard]

Yes, I'm actually not working that weekend,so count me in.:banana:

[cambridgedan]

if i get my bike back in time ill be there, ill keep you posted :niceone:

[White trash]

Don't worry about ol windey Leyton, he means no harm. Kb as you will see are full of cyber warriors, pay them no heed as they are insignificant in the greater scheme of things :niceone:


remember, old Rajistani lives on a different planet to most of us. He's a god amongst gods... needless to say he wears white boots...


need i say more.

Is what I hear is he's so godly, he doesn't even have to take responsibility when his actions cause issues for others.

What a guy...........

[Madness]

Is what I hear is he's so godly, he doesn't even have to take responsibility when his actions cause issues for others.

What a guy...........

Weird eh?, coz when I eat a curry, people can smell my shit from miles away.

[White trash]

Huh. Strange ol' world it is.

[DEATH_INC.]

Weird eh?, coz when I eat a curry, people can smell my shit from miles away.
:laugh: that's the funniest post I've seen for ages :laugh:

[boomer]

lol madness.. funny shit alright.

[carver]

i might bring the CBR125....

[Lula]

i might bring the CBR125....

Please don't

[carver]

Please don't

hmmmm, its pretty tempting!

can i still come, im just learning on my 125!

[loneranger]

I'm in if I can get time off, just done the 1000k service so time for some fun :Punk:

[Lula]

hmmmm, its pretty tempting!

can i still come, im just learning on my 125!

Wow who are you going to be? Dani Pedrosa or Andrea Dovizioso? Or just Carver?

[Sidewinder]

Wow who are you going to be? Dani Pedrosa or Andrea Dovizioso? Or just Carver?

but never as good as me!

[aff-man]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: KB still cracks me up......

May make a showing... unsure as I have gotten sloooooow so will just be cruisy.

[Sidewinder]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: KB still cracks me up......

May make a showing... unsure as I have gotten sloooooow so will just be cruisy.

ill teach you the way to be fast this week son

[carver]

Wow who are you going to be? Dani Pedrosa or Andrea Dovizioso? Or just Carver?

i will be sidewinder...


but never as good as me!

on:laugh: a:laugh:CBR:laugh:125:laugh:?

i owned aaron slight when he was on one!

[Sidewinder]

i will be sidewinder...



on:laugh: a:laugh:CBR:laugh:125:laugh:?

i owned aaron slight when he was on one!

and they will own u on one

[carver]

and they will own u on one

flat out-all the way...
should be a good laugh

maybe i should get the blade?

[Sidewinder]

flat out-all the way...
should be a good laugh

maybe i should get the blade?

yea maybe, cruizer

[carver]

yea maybe, cruizer

DN-01?
deck it out on every turn

[aff-man]

ill teach you the way to be fast this week son

ummm....yeh..... if you say so sunny jim... let us old folk to our leasurly pace :confused:

[DIN PELENDA]

Count me in , I'm looking forward to met and ride again with all of you fine people :bleh:is being long time :Punk:, just hope we have good whether and it is starting to look beter for rest of the week:soon:.

[Boosted]

yeh should be a awesome ride.... :)

[disturbed]

i'll be there depending on if i have my kids this weekend or not!!!!!

metservice says............SUNNY!!!!!:niceone:

[cambridgedan]

yay for met service

[disturbed]

yay for met service

yeah hopefully they get it right for once hahaha

[White trash]

I wonder if someone would be so kind as to lend a gentleman a bike so that he may attend this event.

Providing the weather is sweet of course.

[stify]

Count me in , I'm looking forward to met and ride again with all of you fine people :bleh:is being long time :Punk:, just hope we have good whether and it is starting to look beter for rest of the week:soon:.

might catch up with you during the day big fulla...

[icekiwi]

Looks like I'll be along for a spin....
2up of course....

[aff-man]

I wonder if someone would be so kind as to lend a gentleman a bike so that he may attend this event.

Providing the weather is sweet of course.

The poofta ain't racing this weekend or so I hear...
doesn't he have a bike with your name on it.... couple of roadies and you'll be sweet.

[DEATH_INC.]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: KB still cracks me up......

May make a showing... unsure as I have gotten sloooooow so will just be cruisy.
Hey bitch! You not racing then? Better drag yer ass along then....

[HDTboy]

i might bring the CBR125....

Two Smoker will waste you. I've got his FXR apart now, giving it a tickle

[DMNTD]

... let us old folk to our leisurely pace :confused:

:mellow: :laugh:

[Lula]

:mellow: :laugh:

Dude sorry I missed you last weekend. I was at the Kopu - what happened to you? Maybe this weekend?

[White trash]

The poofta ain't racing this weekend or so I hear...
doesn't he have a bike with your name on it.... couple of roadies and you'll be sweet.
You're onto something there sonny. Watch this space :devil2:

[DMNTD]

Dude sorry I missed you last weekend. I was at the Kopu - what happened to you? Maybe this weekend?

All good, we had a blast over the hill. This Sunday's all good for us if able...could get a few together etc

[Lula]

All good, we had a blast over the hill. This Sunday's all good for us if able...could get a few together etc

Cool if you see Chrissy and her crowd this week can you get them along? I've missed catching up with them so many times it's not funny!

I'll be heading back to the Tron after this ride so can go back with you guys.

[carver]

Cool if you see Chrissy and her crowd this week can you get them along? I've missed catching up with them so many times it's not funny!

I'll be heading back to the Tron after this ride so can go back with you guys.

il escort you on the CBR 125, il also give you some riding tips....

there's a offer you cant refuse

[aff-man]

Hey bitch! You not racing then? Better drag yer ass along then....

Racing costs money... I have none....But a couple bucks for a tank of gas or 3 should be alright


:mellow: :laugh:

Whatcha laughing bout there biatch? I'm even thinking of buying cruiser :eek::laugh:


You're onto something there sonny. Watch this space :devil2:

Upstairs for thinking mate.........

[idleidolidyll]

I'm a definite maybe................loud and very orange

[carver]

Two Smoker will waste you. I've got his FXR apart now, giving it a tickle


I'm a definite maybe................loud and very orange

really, i cant bring the CBR, it will be something slime green, fast, and a bike that i like!

[Lula]

really, i cant bring the CBR, it will be something slime green, fast, and a bike that i like!

Triumph Street Triple :laugh:

[carver]

Triumph Street Triple :laugh:

ah, i didn't say

"something that uses oil, and that i look ridiculously queer on"

[Lula]

ah, i didn't say

"something that uses oil, and that i look ridiculously queer on"

It was just chain lube and it is a girls bike afterall

[puddy]

ah, i didn't say

"something that uses oil, and that i look ridiculously queer on"
What, Sidewinder?

[carver]

It was just chain lube and it is a girls bike afterall


What, Sidewinder?

close, triumphs are a bit queer.

short circuit brought one...

[zx rider]

Weather looks clear and crispy :cold: so those that have willie warmers better wear them.
Lets all have a fun - incident free day :yes:

[NinjaNanna]

Hi Guys

Just as a precaution I thought I'd mention that a different ride that I've organised is staying overnight down the coast - we're leaving later than you guys seeing as we don't need to get back to Auckland the same day.

We are going anti-clockwise (opposite to you lot) so that we get to do SH25B twice for the day.

Keep an eye out for us (small relatively sedate group, silver R1, green Speed Triple, black GSXR600 and yellow Beemer) not sure what time we'll be passing each other on the loop but I'd hate to meet in a nasty way.

Safe lines everyone and watch out for the cages too.

Cheers
Shane

aka NN

[Blackbird]

Hi Guys
Keep an eye out for us (small relatively sedate group, silver R1, green Speed Triple, black GSXR600 and yellow Beemer) not sure what time we'll be passing each other on the loop but I'd hate to meet in a nasty way.


No cutting corners on the Coro Hill please, haha:2thumbsup. I live 5 minutes from the western side and plan to be up and down it tomorrow to bed in a brand new set of Avon VP2 sport tyres. Will be going fairly easy for a start.

[insomnia01]

Good to see your up & about Geoff :Punk::Punk: Hope them old bones healed well !!!

[Mschvs]

Ok you lot, it's been about 5 years or so since I've done the loop, can't be racing that weekend at minefield:bye:, can't afford the trackday at taupo:bye:, so the loop it is. :scooter:
Meet at the Papakura autobahn at 9.30 for a 10am departure.
Prolly go via clevedon ( the hunua's are a bit yuk this time of the year :cold: ) then down the coast and across to kopu ( can meet hamiltonians there @11 ish), clockwise round the loop prolly stop briefly at whitianga for lunch, then back home via clevedon again.
As with most rides I do, everyone is welcome to tag along (we wait at the turnoffs for stragglers) so the more the merrier.
If the weathers crap may call it off, but here's hoping ....:rockon:
Edit: the long range forecast looks ok :)
Saturday
North Island, mostly fine with morning frosts, but showery in the east and a few showers from Taranaki down to Kapiti.

Man, I woulda been keen as a keen thing on a keen day ... damn work! Looks like the weather is going to be mint too!! Stay safe and have fun!!

[disturbed]

umm, where in kopu are we meeting hahaha

[carver]

see you guys there, il be on my K1 gixxer 1000

[Korumba]

I'm a definite maybe................loud and very orange

Cool Andy and I will be there.... we have some cream for that!

[DEATH_INC.]

umm, where in kopu are we meeting hahaha
In case you're serious, the gassy will be the place.

[carver]

In case you're serious, the gassy will be the place.

i got lost last time, kopu is pretty big!

can you give me a google maps link for where in kopu?

[U1AGO]

Hi guys can not wait it tomorrow see you all at the autobahn.

ooooooooooooooh

lets all have a great day with no incidents.

[carver]

lets all have a great day with most bins wins.

really?
good on ya!

[Mom]

Have fun out there tomorrow you lot. Ride safe.

[DEATH_INC.]

Have fun out there tomorrow you lot. Ride safe.

Why aren't you guys coming????

[Mom]

Why aren't you guys coming????

Too old, too cold, too far :D

I have work :yes:

[U1AGO]

Carver i did not say that. interesting that you would?

[Starky307]

Rightio you lot, I'm in like flynn. I'm going to have a feed at the Autobahn so if you keen to start the day with a plate of bacon and eggs come join me.
See the rest of you tomorrow!

[Boosted]

yup seeya there... looking forward to it, first ride like this so be nice!!! :)

[disturbed]

In case you're serious, the gassy will be the place.

haha yeah im serious, never been there before. hope i can find it alright haha, first kb ride for me :2guns:

[DIN PELENDA]

might catch up with you during the day big fulla...

That is if you can catch me, it be good to see you dad !

[DIN PELENDA]

Rightio you lot, I'm in like flynn. I'm going to have a feed at the Autobahn so if you keen to start the day with a plate of bacon and eggs come join me.
See the rest of you tomorrow!

Bacon and eggs it is!

[carver]

Carver i did not say that. interesting that you would?

talk to me about it tomorrow:Offtopic:

[aff-man]

Too old, too cold, too far :D

I have work :yes:

LIES!!!!!!
Would have been good to catch up... been a while since i've been out and about.

[mnkyboy]

Cool Andy and I will be there.... we have some cream for that!

good I've run out of cream...

see you guys there

[Lula]

Weather looks perfect, see you guys there!

[DEATH_INC.]

Looks bloody good out there, see you lot in an hour or two or 3
For disturbed, Kopu gas station...see ya there.

[White trash]

Thanks for the offers of bikes guys, but I'm gonna give it a miss.

Too fucken cold, family stuff to do.

HAve a good one and stay safe.

[DEATH_INC.]

Thanks for the offers of bikes guys, but I'm gonna give it a miss.

Too fucken cold, family stuff to do.

HAve a good one and stay safe.
Bummer, woulda been good to see ya back out there. No-one spare a goldwing for ya?

[idleidolidyll]

Cool Andy and I will be there.... we have some cream for that!

Andy too?

I better bring extra cream

[Mom]

LIES!!!!!!
Would have been good to catch up... been a while since i've been out and about.

Yeah it has been a while. You could always come up here and lay some more of your smoove personality down :blip:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129259073#post1129259073

[Hinny]

I'm a definite maybe................loud and very orange

Go terrorise the gay sprotsbikes!

[cave weta]

Well that was fun!

Thanks for the ride guys- Nice to meet a few faces and pas a few sports bikes in the twisties on my knobbly tyres:2guns:

I was totally impressed by the guy on the Guzzie with Dealer Plates!!
he just slipped past me and was gone gone gone!!! and it was only a baby by the short glance I got of it! Photos to come.

[gunners]

Was an awesom day to do the loop but dam road works lol got my radiator real good :(

[Boosted]

ah yeh sucks about your r1, and i went to the bach when i got there, i checked all pockets and found no keys lol... must of fell out on the ride...

Thanks guys, was a awesome ride... looking forward to the next...

[howdamnhard]

Was an awesom day to do the loop but dam road works lol got my radiator real good :(

Couldn't go today but going for a ride around the Coro loop tomorrow.Where was the road works and any other thing I should watch out for?
Thanks.

[gunners]

yeh sucks about your r1, and i went to the bach when i got there, i checked all pockets and found no keys lol... must of fell out on the ride...


lol yea fell out of your pocket into mine :chase:

[Boosted]

haha awesome

[carver]

a bit of a bad end to the ride, but before it, i had a ball.
my gixxer was mint.

[Mom]

a bit of a bad end to the ride, but before it, i had a ball.
my gixxer was mint.

Did you win then?

[gunners]

Couldn't go today but going for a ride around the Coro loop tomorrow.Where was the road works and any other thing I should watch out for?
Thanks. it was on the back roads of papakura b4 my radiator had a spaz lol didnt make it to the loop :(

[beyond]

Would have been nice to have come. Awesome weather.
How many turned up?
What happened Carver?

I've started work on my next vid. :)

[2_SL0]

Nice weather, maybe a little on the cool side :cold:. Headed back a little earlier than most, had a wedding aniversary thing to go to. Anyone else notice the oil/diesel slick going up one of the hills, cant recall exactly where.:confused:

Sorry my above post was before any knowledge of any incidents, sad news.

[carver]

Would have been nice to have come. Awesome weather.
How many turned up?
What happened Carver?

I've started work on my next vid. :)

i cant say what, site rules.

whats ya next vid on?

[howdamnhard]

it was on the back roads of papakura b4 my radiator had a spaz lol didnt make it to the loop :(

That sucks,hope you get it fixed soon. Those radiator guards are good(note to self must get one). I'm going tomorrow but you probably won't have it fixed by then.

[Hinny]

a bit of a bad end to the ride, but before it, i had a ball.
my gixxer was mint.

Did you try to stick with the sprotsbike terrorising Idolator?

[carver]

Did you try to stick with the sprotsbike terrorising Idolator?

haha, i tried down the coast, i wished i was on something similar!

what happened will be announced on this site once its cleared with the mods.

stuff.co.nz might be a place to look in the meantime.

or the mormon few facebook page

[Kiwi Graham]

haha, i tried down the coast, i wished i was on something similar!

what happened will be announced on this site once its cleared with the mods.

stuff.co.nz might be a place to look in the meantime.

Shit, Thats terrible news.

[smoky]

Well that was fun!

Thanks for the ride guys- Nice to meet a few faces and pas a few sports bikes in the twisties on my knobbly tyres:2guns:

I was totally impressed by the guy on the Guzzie with Dealer Plates!!
he just slipped past me and was gone gone gone!!! .

I couldn't believe how quick you were on that thing, and on those tyres - 'you da man'

It was a nice looking Guzzie, however you didn't have mirrors, so you didn't notice them pushing past and being a bit stupid behind you, they pulled a couple real risky overtaking moves, so best to just let them pass

[Hinny]

I was happy half an hour ago...:crybaby:

[nallac]

Fuck thats not good.

[Boosted]

oh shit, thats not good...

[Hidalgo]

Thats really Sad.

[idleidolidyll]

Here are the photos I took of the ride.
A few really bad shots have been deleted to save embarrassing those pictured (lula and her friend who didn't want me to take her pic).

As a sign of respect I have not uploaded pictures of the rider who crashed.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26507
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26513
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26505
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26502
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26461
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26454
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2272&pictureid=26456


to see the rest go to the album:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=2272

[HDTboy]

Thanks for organising yesterday's ride Andy. I enjoyed the day as did the two guys on the R6's. Sorry to hear about what happened in the afternoon.

[The Pastor]

stuff me.

Dont know who it is, but it dosent matter.

Flipping sucks.

[cave weta]

A few photos of sobering but great day..


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[Patch]

As a sign of respect I have not uploaded pictures of the rider who crashed.
why not??


no need for facial pics but it might just bring it home, that we aren't as bulletproof as we/some boast/think we are.


There is a lot to said about staying/going home at times.

[smoky]

I see they have released his name on the news this afternoon
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blog.php?b=928

Sobering alright

[DIN PELENDA]

Ok you lot, it's been about 5 years or so since I've done the loop, can't be racing that weekend at minefield:bye:, can't afford the trackday at taupo:bye:, so the loop it is. :scooter:
Meet at the Papakura autobahn at 9.30 for a 10am departure.
Prolly go via clevedon ( the hunua's are a bit yuk this time of the year :cold: ) then down the coast and across to kopu ( can meet hamiltonians there @11 ish), clockwise round the loop prolly stop briefly at whitianga for lunch, then back home via clevedon again.
As with most rides I do, everyone is welcome to tag along (we wait at the turnoffs for stragglers) so the more the merrier.
If the weathers crap may call it off, but here's hoping ....:rockon:
Edit: the long range forecast looks ok :)
Saturday
North Island, mostly fine with morning frosts, but showery in the east and a few showers from Taranaki down to Kapiti.


The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading :)

Other then that it does not have too many supprises, if I end up going you can stick with me... I ride at a reasonable pace but enjoy twistys if conditions allow.


[QUOTE=Leyton;1129250388]The loop is not too challanging, it does present the odd hazard.. but one rides for those.. it is full of twistys and mostly smooth roading :)

Dude you are WAY off....many very experinced riders have suffered doin the loop...I couldn't think of a Road in Nz that would be more Challanging then the Loop.....

I would not suggest a person that has just got there grown up licence to do it NOT IN A PACK ! !

Do it by yourself and at your own speeds.....Doin it in a pack will make you gooo faster then normal..And CRASH ! !

Crazy Steve...


Erm I have read your post a few times and it took me a while to see that, you had not contridicted yourself but you have empthised twice that a n00b should not ride the Coro in a pack.

I agree as you said for ride at your own pace. This can be also done in a group situation with the right dishapline. And a dishapline that is the most important of all, that is do not outride your abilty. So agree %100 cheif. Might see you there if things work out.

Leyton


bro its shit, ruff and bumpy for most of the roads. its fast and dangours and you ride like a bitch dude. but its fooking fun tho! to bad im taking the new race bike to manfield for the weekend for 2nd round of vic club or id put on the road gear and some intermedates and it would be all on like donkey kong


umm, where in kopu are we meeting hahaha


In case you're serious, the gassy will be the place.


haha yeah im serious, never been there before. hope i can find it alright haha, first kb ride for me :2guns:


Looks bloody good out there, see you lot in an hour or two or 3
For disturbed, Kopu gas station...see ya there.

.....................................
Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride and you not sure if he is serious and you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" .You never talk to us as a group on that day, we lost 1/2 riders as we left BP which have gone strait to Kopu, no communication what so ever, at Kopu I had to ask you infront of everyone which way we going......why organize the ride you should know better!DEATH INK you are out of my friends list will never ride with you again. I still can't sleep and I don't blame anyone for anything but this could be prevented the signs were there, think about it , TRUTH may hurt take as a man, I was man enough to cry next to Michael when he died.

Michael Lagore (disturbed)RIP

[Leyton]

I was not there, glad I was not, And it is not because of the company but the tragedy that occured that evening, I do not feel it is fair to point blame in these situations, in saying this I defend nobody, as their is nobody to defend.

Undoubtably this happend and it is awfull, on the same token it has happend. Everyone will grieve in their own way, goes without saying. (This thread is full of it, in direct and non direct texts)

Please for those who have to process this event, family, witness's, friends, sons, doughters, the list goes on.. . The closest understanding to why this tragedy occured is with the member who had passed. In the near future this will not be important to those family friends etc.. what is important is how we remember this person for who he/she is and who and how they have touched others during their life time, be proud. It is hard to move on, They same time heals, it is more or less true for others.

I never knew this person, It is quite obvious it has effected many by the high spark of emotions in this thread.

I expect a reaction from this post to the tune of, you were not there, blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BlaH blah Blah blah, go head. It means nothing to me and I see it disrespectfull to all those in the comunity including KB who are acually genuine and have the maturity and disipline to keep the trap shut. If you have something constructive and non hostile to say, good on you the world needs more people like you.

Leyton

[prettybillie]

We need to stop trying to put the blame. Come on guys - we all know the risks when riding and yes there probably were things that could have been done better, but hignsight is a wonderful thing. This is a tragic tragic event and all of us wish things like this don't happen, but sadly enough we know they do.

All that matters is we have lost a rider and we need to be there to support not only his family and friends, but don't forget about the trauma those brave people who stayed with him and made him comfortable in his last moments must be feeling.

Come on KBer's we are better than this - let's show support and stop turning on each other or trying to play the blame game.

[Katman]

We need to stop trying to put the blame. Come on guys - we all know the risks when riding and yes there probably were things that could have been done better, but hignsight is a wonderful thing. This is a tragic tragic event and all of us wish things like this don't happen, but sadly enough we know they do.




Trouble is, we also know the manner in which KB Coro rides are generally conducted. How many tragic events have to befall the Coro loop before people start to learn something.

[prettybillie]

Trouble is, we also know the manner in which KB Coro rides are generally conducted. How many tragic events have to befall the Coro loop before people start to learn something.

Unfortunately some people will never learn. All we can do is keep trying to push the message - RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE - and hope it gets through to as many people as possible.

[Conquiztador]

I have always in my time here said that I hate coming on here after the w/e as that is when we have time to ride. And to die.

There would be nobody on here who had wishes for something like this to happen. But it did.

Yes, the signs were there for someone clearvoyant to see:
- First KB ride on a new big fast bike.
- Experienced riders in the group.
- Very tricky ride.
- Lack of organisation on the ride. etc.

I know that all on here would, if we could, bring him back at any cost.

But we sadly do not have those powers.


PLEASE those who organise rides: There is a responsibility you carry. Take it seriously. Others will rely on you. You do have the power to limit the chances of something like this happening. No, you can not prevent it. But PLEASE lets learn from this. Lets not this go without something good coming out of it.

My simple mind comes up with a few things to consider:

Someone organises a ride. That someone needs to be responsible enough to realise that some basic rules must be followed:
- Separate riders in to a couple (or more) groups beased on experience. Have a leader in each group.
- Passing rules.
- Provide a clear plan where the ride goes. Even a simple map!
- Stops. Have them planned.
- First aid gear and a working mobile in each group!

I have ridden in groups many times. But today I do bail straight away if disorganised. If you are to ride with riders you have no idea who they are or how they ride it is a gamble. If I ride with such a group I will always ride last.

Again, this will not bring the rider back. I sincerely wish it would!

But he would, as a newbie to this riding, have expected that someone with more experience took responsibility. Clearly nobody did.

And I am not getting at anyone here. I know that whoever feel he/she could have done better already knows that.

But please, lets be more responsible re our fellow riders. Take some leadership!

[DUCATI*HARD]

ok you lot, it's been about 5 years or so since i've done the loop, can't be racing that weekend at minefield:bye:, can't afford the trackday at taupo:bye:, so the loop it is. :scooter:



crazy steve is quite right. The coro loop is not a ride for new riders in a group situation

it's an awesome playground, heaps of glorious twisties, high speed corners and off camber corners, decreasing radiuses, blind corners and man it is fun.

But if you are prone to the red mist in a group ride,than by hell, do it alone and live to tell okay?



hey bitch! You not racing then? Better drag yer ass along then....




why aren't you guys coming????


haha yeah im serious, never been there before. Hope i can find it alright haha, first kb ride for me :2guns:


see you lot in an hour or two or 3
for disturbed, kopu gas station...see ya there.

im glad we didnt come,,,but if we did ,,,mr&mrs d*h would have looked after you mikey&got you home to your loved ones!!!,,,ride in peace bro!!!

[Maha]

Unfortunately some people will never learn. All we can do is keep trying to push the message - RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE - and hope it gets through to as many people as possible.

That message has been kicked around here for a few years now, to no avail.
''Ride your own ride''? I would imagine that everyone does, I certainly do. what does that 'term' really mean? Ride your own ride? does it mean, ride like you normally would...I do that and have ended up on the other side of the rode on a couple of occasions, sometimes shit happens, as luck would have it, the other lane was clear...I know why I ended up in that situation and corrected it form then on. Or does 'ride you own ride' mean...dont get caught up in a pace that may be your undoing? thats up to the individual on the day, accidents happen and will continue to happen. No amount of posting the do's and dont's on here will stop that.

[Brett]

[QUOTE=DIN PELENDA;1129252242]













.....................................
Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride and you not sure if he is serious and you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" .You never talk to us as a group on that day, we lost 1/2 riders as we left BP which have gone strait to Kopu, no communication what so ever, at Kopu I had to ask you infront of everyone which way we going......why organize the ride you should know better!DEATH INK you are out of my friends list will never ride with you again. I still can't sleep and I don't blame anyone for anything but this could be prevented the signs were there, think about it , TRUTH may hurt take as a man, I was man enough to cry next to Michael when he died.

Michael Lagore (disturbed)RIP

I don't know that that is fair. The signs are much easier to see in hindsight. From what I have read of the account of the day, it doesn't sound like Mike was a noob, just that he has not done the coro loop before. It sounds like he was riding pretty well through the day and made one small mistake that I know I have made before (Braking in a corner and running wide).

Sure, maybe some of the ride administration needs to be addressed, I couldn't comment, I was at home...but it sounds unlikely that these contributed to Mikes crash.

I do feel really very sorry for you DIN and the rest of you who witnessed it and had to watch Mike go. It is not something anyone would wish on you guys. Just make sure you have someone to talk about it to, because this sort of violent trauma can mess with your head unless you are hardened to it.

[NDORFN]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

[Brett]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

Yeah it is fricken amazing how much your tyres can grip when they need to, much more than the average rider thinks that they can...

[Maha]

Personally I have confidence in Death_Inc as a rider and a person and laying blame on him bullshit. Its like laying blame on the Captain of the Titanic, it wasnt his fault that the ship hit an ice-breg in 1912, he certainly knew the dangers of what was out there but never gave the order to push it. That decision was made by someone else.

[stify]

Personally I have confidence in Death_Inc as a rider and a person and laying blame on him bullshit.

I'm with you on this Mark....

[Ragingrob]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

I made one mistake on the Sat ride that I organised while we were on sh22. The sun was in our eyes on the way home, coming in and out between trees etc. A corner snuck up on me when I'd just come over a crest and I knew I was going into it faster than I would have liked to.

Had a split second to think, my arse tightened, I jammed the picks on for the split second I had, remembered all the advice I've ever had, looked around the corner and just leaned over, hoping the tyres would stick.

I put my trust in the bike and my Dunlops through a corner going way to fast, and ended up just an inch on the other side of the centre line, tyres didn't even complain one bit. And here I was thinking I would be right over into any oncoming traffic.

So yeah, it took a lot of effort to close my worries and just do it, but it held out easily, and I've come away knowing that my bike can handle it. If I'd be riding at my limit already though I would've been history.

Always ride with that room for error ay :yes:

[Ixion]

I think Carver touched on some constructive advice but it was overlooked by everyone trying to throw blame around... he said "Trust your tyres". I don't know exactly what the circumstances were on Saturday, but I do know that I've seen a few near misses when riders have overshot a corners into oncoming traffic and not reacted, coming within a cats whisker of a head on. So put yourself in that situation... would you prefer to stay up and hit oncoming traffic head first, or take the risk, dig it in and lean her over, and if your tyres don't stick, slide into oncoming traffic feet first with some buffering from your bike?

I've always just muttered a prayer to the biker gods and trusted the rubber. (assuming I couldn't see for certain that the way ahead was clear - it it was I'll just run over the line). They've not failed me yet. But then , I ride like y' nana's nana. So I'd expect to have something in reserve.

Bear in mind, that counter steering is not instantaneous. takes a little time for the bike to tighten up. Only a fraction of a second maybe, but at 100kph you can travel quite a few metres in a fraction of a second.

[idleidolidyll]

Din,
I know it hurts but don't be so quick to judge.
Michael was NOT a noob, he was an experienced rider. This was his first time with KB but not his first ride or group ride.
The fault is not Andy's.

[jafar]

Personally I have confidence in Death_Inc as a rider and a person and laying blame on him bullshit.

Totally agree.
Organising riders is a lot like herding cats, no matter what you do or say they will do what they want anyway !
Blaming someone that organized the event is wrong, we all know what the Coro loop rides are about & it is up to each individual rider to be responsible for his or her own ride !

[Dreamflyer]

I expect a reaction from this post to the tune of, you were not there, blah blah blah blah BLAH blah BlaH blah Blah blah, go head. It means nothing to me and I see it disrespectfull to all those in the comunity including KB who are acually genuine and have the maturity and disipline to keep the trap shut. If you have something constructive and non hostile to say, good on you the world needs more people like you.

Leyton

Hi guys, now, this is my first post here, but I've been watching the community for a while now.
You all seem like a fantastic group of people with MANY MANY years experience behind right?
The blame game on anybody will not change a thing, just make everyone feel worse.
And as someone else said before, remember there are others out there reading this, and I am one of them. I knew Mike on a personal level. worked with him, chatted with him etc, and there is also a slight family connection (well, there was), and reading all your bitching hurts the rest of us..cool it off, and be constructive. He doesn't want us scraping it out. He will want us to learn from it. and yes, he was a very experienced rider...
thats my 10c worth. i'll see you guys round when i start coming on rides...

nick

[Brett]

Personally I have confidence in Death_Inc as a rider and a person and laying blame on him bullshit. Its like laying blame on the Captain of the Titanic, it wasnt his fault that the ship hit an ice-breg in 1912, he certainly knew the dangers of what was out there but never gave the order to push it. That decision was made by someone else.

100% with you Maha. Have ridden with Andy and have not a single issue with him.

[smoky]

Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride .... you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" ......why organize the ride you should know better!... this could be prevented the signs were there,...
why are people continuing to insinuate that the way the ride was organised had anything to do with the accident? What the hell does the fact that he didn't even "know how to get to Kopu" got to do with anything?
All you people who think there needs to be some better organisation around these rides - why don't you do something about it - or at lest go and join a club and join their organised rides.
I have suggested in the past that KB could put up some guidelines for organised rides, but at the end of the day - it's not a proper club, it is not funded, it only works with the good will of those who choose to participate.
As it happens I posted the meeting place, time and departure for the Hamilton riders who joined the Auckland riders at Kopu, but who am I to dictate to any one - who would listen to me anyway, it's a group consensus thing.
There are groups within KB that are more structured - like LOR in the Waikato, if that's your thing.

KB is a web site - not an organised club, if you accept a general invitation to join in on a ride with others you must surely realise it's not going to be a highly orchestrated event - It's an open forum web site. You will only get out what you put in. If you don't like what's happening, step up on the day and show some initiative. If you felt there needed to be some form of briefing before we started - do it


Trouble is, we also know the manner in which KB Coro rides are generally conducted. How many tragic events have to befall the Coro loop before people start to learn something.

Katman, I agree with some of your concerns - but I think you're getting things out of proportion - for example I have done probably 10 -15 Coro loops, at lest half of those have been on KB organised rides (Auckland riders are not the only ones on KB to organise rides around the loop), I only know of two of those rides where some one was injured.
I have gone on, and personally taken, organised rides around the Coro specifically for inexperienced riders. There has not been any issues.

What figures do you have to support your insinuation that KB Coro rides are more dangerous, or contribute to 'tragic events', more than people riding around on any other ride, in a group, or by them selves?

Perhaps you're over reacting to what was a tragedy, and your opinion has some how been skewed away from reality

[Boosted]

Hi guys, now, this is my first post here, but I've been watching the community for a while now.
You all seem like a fantastic group of people with MANY MANY years experience behind right?
The blame game on anybody will not change a thing, just make everyone feel worse.
And as someone else said before, remember there are others out there reading this, and I am one of them. I knew Mike on a personal level. worked with him, chatted with him etc, and there is also a slight family connection (well, there was), and reading all your bitching hurts the rest of us..cool it off, and be constructive. He doesn't want us scraping it out. He will want us to learn from it. and yes, he was a very experienced rider...
thats my 10c worth. i'll see you guys round when i start coming on rides...

nick

Nice one dude... sorry for the loss, seems like a really cool chap from his facebook...
Hope to seeya around
Adam

[Cr1MiNaL]

Totally agree.
Organising riders is a lot like herding cats, no matter what you do or say they will do what they want anyway !
each individual rider to be responsible for his or her own ride !

Couldn't have said it better myself.
I have suggested in the past that KB could put up some guidelines for organised rides, but at the end of the day - it's not a proper club, it is not funded, it only works with the good will of those who choose to participate.
KB is a web site - not an organised club, if you accept a general invitation to join in on a ride with others you must surely realise it's not going to be a highly orchestrated event .... You will only get out what you put in. Perhaps you're over reacting to what was a tragedy, and your opinion has some how been skewed away from reality

Responsibility is where it is at. Not shrugging off the blame. Each rider rides his own ride and accounts for his own actions or inactions, whatever they might be.

[Starky307]

Hi guys, now, this is my first post here, but I've been watching the community for a while now.
You all seem like a fantastic group of people with MANY MANY years experience behind right?
The blame game on anybody will not change a thing, just make everyone feel worse.
And as someone else said before, remember there are others out there reading this, and I am one of them. I knew Mike on a personal level. worked with him, chatted with him etc, and there is also a slight family connection (well, there was), and reading all your bitching hurts the rest of us..cool it off, and be constructive. He doesn't want us scraping it out. He will want us to learn from it. and yes, he was a very experienced rider...
thats my 10c worth. i'll see you guys round when i start coming on rides...

nick

Nick, first off I am sorry for your loss, and that of Mike's family, there is nothing more I can say on that.

Secondly, thank you for what you have posted, it is of importance that everyone understands that this is an open website that anyone may view, member or not.

To all, please think carefully about what you may right on here, there are a lot of people who are grieving right now and everyone deals with it in a different mannor, some posts may not have been written the same way had the hurt of feelings not clouded ones judgement.

Once more please read what nick has written, I quoted it so it would be fresh to all. There are so many valid points in his post.

[SPman]

Don't blame yourself Andy - it's not your fault!

When you ride with a group, as on a "KB website suggested ride", (not organised, because they aren't - they are a loose knit collection of riders who want to ride the same roads at the same time), the dynamics of the group make it impossible to know what's going to happen. Even if they are all experienced mates who always ride together!

When mistakes are made ( and they always are, no ones perfect) and the results are tragic, everyone feels bad, some feel angry, - understandable, but blame shouldn't be an issue unless people are riding 10/10ths with no regard for the road, traffic or anyone else's safety - which was apparently not the case here.

I've ridden with you on Coro rides - I know what you're like - a quick smooth competent rider who doesn't like people to over ride themselves when riding with you (or at all), and one who makes allowances for all riding levels. Don't blame yourself!

We are all, ultimately, however, responsible for ourselves, never more so than when we ride - which is surely, one of the reasons we do ride.
You can't control what happens on someone else's bike, any more than someone else can control yours.
It's a shit thing to happen, but it has.

My sympathies to all involved.

[Katman]

Katman, I agree with some of your concerns - but I think you're getting things out of proportion - for example I have done probably 10 -15 Coro loops, at lest half of those have been on KB organised rides (Auckland riders are not the only ones on KB to organise rides around the loop), I only know of two of those rides where some one was injured.
I have gone on, and personally taken, organised rides around the Coro specifically for inexperienced riders. There has not been any issues.

What figures do you have to support your insinuation that KB Coro rides are more dangerous, or contribute to 'tragic events', more than people riding around on any other ride, in a group, or by them selves?

Perhaps you're over reacting to what was a tragedy, and your opinion has some how been skewed away from reality

Just reading through this one thread produces a number of posts that give a few clues to the manner in which KB Coro loop rides are undertaken.

Have a read of posts #18, 30, 31, 51, 53, 57, 58, 67, 94, 96, 108, 142, 154, 170. (Still haven't managed to figure out yet how to do the multi-quote thing).

There are countless other threads on this site about the Coro loop that paint an almost identical picture.

[DIN PELENDA]

100% with you Maha. Have ridden with Andy and have not a single issue with him.

Don't get me wrong Andy is good man and very good rider, but don't underestimate riders they not good as you, and take care of them, or maybe this was all to much for me, I may be weak, but this is my way of dealing with that for now.

[Maha]

Don't get me wrong Andy is good man and very good rider, but don't underestimate riders they not good as you, and take care of them, or maybe this was all to much for me, I may be weak, but this is my way of dealing with that for now.

And thats all good DIN, deal with it best you can buddy, there are some on here that have been through this senario for a 2nd time, it must be the worst time for those that witness such a tragedy. Looking for blame and answers is a natural response, with time (although the vision may not go away) it will get easier to cope with. You are not weak, any red blooded human will deal with it in their own way, its called emotions, we all have them. Chin up and stay strong mate, and that goes for everyone who was there.

[smoky]

Just reading through this one thread produces a number of posts that give a few clues to the manner in which KB Coro loop rides are undertaken..

There are countless other threads on this site about the Coro loop that paint an almost identical picture.

There is a countless number of threads about all sorts of rides, even organised rides with other groups, that have shit like that posted on it
KB and the internet is not reality, it is not a true representation of behavior on rides, I've been on enough rides to know that
People are full of talk - just go to the pub and listen to a bunch of young guys boosting and ribbing each other.

It's hardly exclusive to KB or threads about rides around the Coro

And again - the ride was not like that, if you were there you would know that.

One thing I do agree with you on is; people who post that kind of bullshit on here prior to a ride - then say everyone is responsible for their own ride, nothing to do with me, is a hypocrite in my books

There is such a thing as collective responsibility

[skidMark]

Trouble is, we also know the manner in which KB Coro rides are generally conducted. How many tragic events have to befall the Coro loop before people start to learn something.


For once Katman... we are in agreement.

[Sidewinder]

For once Katman... we are in agreement.

cant help some things tho

[davebullet]

Are track days a good way to learn to trust your tyres and lean?

I think many (including myself) would not know how to react in a situation like that. I have twice stood my bike up, run it into a ditch and god knows how I remained upright.

One thing I can do well is apply a heck of a lot of front brake without it locking. I've practised that in a car heaps and some of that confidence has transferred to the bike.

Leaning is something I need to be able to do quickly, instinctively and decisively in a situation assuming that's what Michael could have done - hence my question.

[Sidewinder]

Are track days a good way to learn to trust your tyres and lean?

I think many (including myself) would not know how to react in a situation like that. I have twice stood my bike up, run it into a ditch and god knows how I remained upright.

One thing I can do well is apply a heck of a lot of front brake without it locking. I've practised that in a car heaps and some of that confidence has transferred to the bike.

Leaning is something I need to be able to do quickly, instinctively and decisively in a situation assuming that's what Michael could have done - hence my question.

maybe for some people but you get way better grip on the track and you know whats around every corner, doestnt help me, i still crash on the road alot because i ride like i am on the track still.

maybe try a riders training day

[Maha]

Are track days a good way to learn to trust your tyres and lean?

I think many (including myself) would not know how to react in a situation like that. I have twice stood my bike up, run it into a ditch and god knows how I remained upright.

One thing I can do well is apply a heck of a lot of front brake without it locking. I've practised that in a car heaps and some of that confidence has transferred to the bike.

Leaning is something I need to be able to do quickly, instinctively and decisively in a situation assuming that's what Michael could have done - hence my question.


Slowing the bike down without locking up has worked well for me on a couple of occassions, an unmarked (non speed advised) corner came up rather quick and there were rocks in my lane, a quick scan of the road ahead, what I could see through the bend, and chose to stand the bike up and drift into the opposite lane, apply front brake then rear brake at the end. All happened within a few seconds but it was effective. Luck was on my side that day as in no traffic.

[Lula]

What happened on Saturday.
I want all to know it has been been hard for those that where involved to come to terms with. I'm still not sure what happened - its hard to understand

[Crazy Steve]

What happened on Saturday.
I want all to know it has been been hard for those that where involved to come to terms with. I'm still not sure what happened - its hard to understand

:crybaby::crazy::crybaby::crazy::crybaby::crazy::c rybaby:

Crazy Steve...

[Lula]

:crybaby::crazy::crybaby::crazy::crybaby::crazy::c rybaby:

Crazy Steve...

Ok WYAT tie is etit??? I'm drunk doing a Rat Bike session . . . you should come we have anti-frezee and Steingradaes!

[Crazy Steve]

Ok WYAT tie is etit??? I'm drunk doing a Rat Bike session . . . you should come we have anti-frezee and Steingradaes!

It was the look on my face before and after the accident......

Can't dooo Beer on a school night......My Mum would kill me..

Crazy Steve.

[sinfull]

maybe for some people but you get way better grip on the track and you know whats around every corner, doestnt help me, i still crash on the road alot because i ride like i am on the track still.

maybe try a riders training dayHave i missed a couple of your track days or crashes ?


Slowing the bike down without locking up has worked well for me on a couple of occassions, an unmarked (non speed advised) corner came up rather quick and there were rocks in my lane, a quick scan of the road ahead, what I could see through the bend, and chose to stand the bike up and drift into the opposite lane, apply front brake then rear brake at the end. All happened within a few seconds but it was effective. Luck was on my side that day as in no traffic.
The only part i dissagree with is, the rear brake at the end, RT will see this i'm sure and agree, if you've stood it up, applied emergency front brake on stock suspension, the minute you touch the back brake, that back wheel has no traction and your back end is doing the hell waggle ! If ya don't have the controll over your bike like a MX rider doing a whip over a jump, your into that ditch sideways and ya cant tell me ya aint seen it happen a number of times !


As Sideways says, ya know whats in that ditch at the track ! Ya also know there's a run off so ya can run off, so you can afford to take that corner harder !
but track days can teach ya a bit about different tyre qualities, a bit about your bikes set up and whats lacking in yr stock suspension ! (stock= pretty average on most models)
Happened to me just two days ago where i did it, i touched the back brake while full on the front piks on the 675 after overcooking a hairpin corner !
It's the easiest thing to do, to touch the right foot down on that lever, i mean it's a brake FFS and all ya want to do is slow down or stop !! (and after 3 months of road riding predominantly wet roads it came naturally)
But then the 1050's rear is a hell of a lot more planted under hard braking, whereas the 675 is light in the rear under brakes (with the stock set up?) The rear near came round on me and there was no way of making the turn even after letting off the back brake !
Couple of hours later another rider climbed my swingarm and mounted the rear of my bike in the same corner ! Willing to put money on the fact he touched the rear brake just prior to touching me too (bet if he pulled harder on the front and tried for a stoppie instead, he would have got away with it)

But i degress ! Track days ? Yeah they work !
Back brakes ? I changed my back pads on the 1050 the other day and they hadn't worn at all since i put em in 6 months ago (just pitted to hell and screwing my discs now i'm using them)
So all they're good for, is for Jay to make racing a spectator sport or a bit of wet riding !

Just had a thought !
There is a mate of mine thats sugested a fundraiser ride through some manawatu roads on the 5th july (roads that would more n likely put the coro loop to shame), I thought it would be a cool idea to post a thread about it on here !
Ive done these roads half doz times now and might travel at a pace i'm comfortable with !
Should i pull the thread advertising this ride off KB ? Or even dissasociate myself from it alltogether ? Because i'd hate to be HELD responsible for someone missing a corner that i managed to negotiate !
RIP

[The Stranger]

For once Katman... we are in agreement.

This of course is a sure sign that katman is incorrect.

[The Stranger]

Are track days a good way to learn to trust your tyres and lean?


Yes, but as sidewinder notes, it may extend your boundaries, but if you then ride to the extended boundary you gained no safety margin.
Ride at 75% of your ability, no problem. Ride at 90 or 99% even and you are ok. 101 and it's over.
It doesn't matter how good you are, if you ride at or near your limit, one day you will exceed it.

[boomer]

Yes, but as sidewinder notes, it may extend your boundaries, but if you then ride to the extended boundary you gained no safety margin.
Ride at 75% of your ability, no problem. Ride at 90 or 99% even and you are ok. 101 and it's over.
It doesn't matter how good you are, if you ride at or near your limit, one day you will exceed it.

roger that pink leader

[smoky]

Yes, but as sidewinder notes, it may extend your boundaries, but if you then ride to the extended boundary you gained no safety margin.
Ride at 75% of your ability, no problem. Ride at 90 or 99% even and you are ok. 101 and it's over.
It doesn't matter how good you are, if you ride at or near your limit, one day you will exceed it.

But how does one know where their limit or ability is, on a ride your confidence can build, over confidence is a dangerous thing, thats more often when things go wrong.

When I'm riding - if I start getting a few 'ah oh' moments, those moments when you feel you heart stop for second - then I'm pushing it too hard on the road, and I dial it down a bit.

[davebullet]

Thanks for the advice people. Like everyone else it saddens me to hear when a rider goes down. But ultimately, we are are own responsibility. That's what mum taught me when I was groing up.

[idleidolidyll]

I wonder about track days but then I've never been to an organised one.
They sound a lot like races for road bikes and riders without race licences. If that's the case I suspect their suitability for bike skill training is useful but also deceiving.

What skills do you want to practice on the track that you can take to the road?

Braking?: To really practice this you need to be willing and able to brake into a corner early, late and on as many different lines as possible. You should brake as hard as you can and come to a stop so you know just how much further you could have gone before you ran out of room. You need to brake into different lines so you can see what effect that has on your entry and exit into the corner. That bit can set you up for a passing move in a race or for when there is gravel or potholes on the good line on the road.
Pretty much the same goes for cornering: you need to practice all the lines not just the best lines as the best line is not always available. For practice to transfer to the road you should be practising changing lines in a corner so that when you spot that pothole or patch of gravel half way around, you know what you can get away with.
Can you brake steer with the back wheel motard style (slightly) to turn in faster?

Bike set up is another thing to check out: what front suspension settings with your existing forks stops best, tracks best over bumps, holds a fast sweeper or turns fastest into a tightening corner? Same for the rear.

So given the above and much more on top, I suspect you have very limited time by yourself on the track if any at all to practice such things. You have to be quite methodical and scientific about these things, you should write them down and write down the results of changes made to the bike and setup. The track temperature, the weather on the day etc etc

These are the things that most successful racers have done and continue to do; can you do these at a track day or is it really just a chance to have a race without a licence?

Having never been to one I really am interested in replies.

[Katman]

Ride at 90 or 99% even and you are ok.

I don't imagine 1% left in reserve would be sufficient for anyone other than the likes of Rossi etc.

While the numbers are impossible to accurately equate to the real world, I would suggest that anyone riding much beyond 80% on the road is leaving very little in reserve to deal with the unexpected.

[The Stranger]

But how does one know where their limit or ability is, on a ride your confidence can build, over confidence is a dangerous thing, thats more often when things go wrong.


What answer do you want?
Seriously.

There is a technical answer as to the limit of an individual's ability in most situations, but in all honesty the biggest problem is in our heads. Usually it is in this "need to win" or to keep up.

DMNTD and I went through the Mangamuka gorge on litre bikes. A guy on a 250 came through behind us. He overtook me when I slowed for roadworks after the gorge. We get to the gas station and he's so pumped because he came second. WTF? I looked at DMNTD, he shrugged, we walked away. He hadn't realised we were just cruising, there was no race I know that because DMNTD would have whipped my butt if there was - yet the guy on the 250 is scraping pegs and "racing".

This is but an example. It's not aimed at 250 riders or limited to the young.
Is it testosterone? I don't think so - the rider in question was hardly the picure of manliness (DMNTD on the other hand PHOARRR).
It's tempting to take the katman approach and blame peer pressure and influence from KB etc. I can't motivate someone - that comes from within. There was no pressure placed on him to speed, we were going at a fast but easy clip, there were plenty of riders following some way back who didn't feel the need to "race" us yet 1 in a group of say 12 did.
He put the pressure on himself.

[The Stranger]

I don't imagine 1% left in reserve would be sufficient for anyone other than the likes of Rossi etc.

While the numbers are impossible to accurately equate to the real world, I would suggest that anyone riding much beyond 80% on the road is leaving very little in reserve to deal with the unexpected.

You are of course quite correct and for the sake of clarification, I am not advocating anyone should be riding to that point on the road as yes it is just a very very short step to go over the line. Ok in that sense was intended to mean you've not binned just yet.

[Katman]

It's hardly exclusive to KB or threads about rides around the Coro



Of course you're right. It is in no way exclusive to KBer or to the Coro ride.

Ask Jim2 about the mentality that used to pervade the rides that many of the Wellington crew went on (and maybe still does).

As I've said before, back in the days before the interweb a group ride was usually made up of considerably less numbers and of people that knew each other (and their skill levels) to a degree. Today, a thread posted on KB can see any number of riders show up with attitudes ranging from cautious to downright foolhardy to very easily influenced. The banter on here that precedes the ride all adds to the likelihood of it turning into a cock measuring contest.

[The Stranger]

The banter on here that precedes the ride all adds to the likelihood of it turning into a cock measuring contest.

That's like blaming TV for violence. It just doesn't add up. Look at all the people who died violent deaths without the influence of television. Wars, crusades, the American west - lead poisoning meant life expectancy was around 25.
In all probability TV i.e. talking about it and seeing it has decreased voilence in society.
You got anything other than opinion, anything that remotely resembles proof?

[chanceyy]

but track days can teach ya a bit about different tyre qualities, a bit about your bikes set up and whats lacking in yr stock suspension ! (stock= pretty average on most models)
But i degress ! Track days ? Yeah they work !


Just had a thought !
There is a mate of mine thats sugested a fundraiser ride through some manawatu roads on the 5th july (roads that would more n likely put the coro loop to shame), I thought it would be a cool idea to post a thread about it on here !
Ive done these roads half doz times now and might travel at a pace i'm comfortable with !
Should i pull the thread advertising this ride off KB ? Or even dissasociate myself from it alltogether ? Because i'd hate to be HELD responsible for someone missing a corner that i managed to negotiate !
RIP

I agree with the trackdays Bill, however not that I am ever going to ride my bike to check out its limits .. its more my own limits & trusting those tires more while leaning over

Having done the coro loop ( in very foul weather) I was mindful of its"reputation" but rode it to my own ability and not worried about being "left behind" rather enjoyed it .. its similar but different to the route for the july ride which can also be technical ... and no Bill you should not pull the ride, or disassociate from it .. perhaps on log in ppl sign a waiver? and the riders brief should cover the basics from there its ppls responsiblity to ride the way they do.



I wonder about track days but then I've never been to an organised one.
They sound a lot like races for road bikes and riders without race licences. If that's the case I suspect their suitability for bike skill training is useful but also deceiving.

What skills do you want to practice on the track that you can take to the road?

is it really just a chance to have a race without a licence?

Having never been to one I really am interested in replies.

the track days are split into 4 groups .. race, fast, medium and novice (or slow) obviously the race guys are out testing bikes etc .. the fast is for the fast road riders medium for those inbetween fast & slow & of course the slow group

All of the track days I have been too, the slow & medium groups have a lead rider. Slow generally the top speed is between 120 (about 160 by afternoon sessions) and medium 140 (200ish by afternoon sessions).

I do not attend track days to "race" anyone, I attend purely for myself to get better about cornering, learn more about myself and my bike in an controlled environment without cars coming in opp direction if I do stuff it up. Have I learnt anything and has it helped my road riding? absolutely!!! I trust my bike more & will lean it over more in a corner, my usual style is to back off a corner and power out sometimes I had not taken off enough speed & would have an eek moment, (which to any experienced rider would automatically lean it more) after a track day no eek moment just trusting the tires, focus, and ride through it ... I am not necessarily getting faster but definitely more smoother and thats the style I am am improving on ..

However I am only just one person .. from watching others majority of ppl who attend are just doing it to have fun.. the odd friends will "race" each other but not to the deteriment of others enjoyment ...

Any crashes on these days are mostly the race guys who are testing their bikes and no different to a race day, I have not seen any crashes in the slow and medium groups as most ppl have ridden to the day so need to ride home and still will not push that envelop, I know I will never push it that hard myself, I love my bike.

[Katman]

You got anything other than opinion, anything that remotely resembles proof?

It's an opinion based on over a quarter of a century being involved in motorcycling Noel, (much like yourself, I know).

As I've said before, if it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to give it the taste test.

[sinfull]

Any crashes on these days are mostly the race guys who are testing their bikes and no different to a race day, I have not seen any crashes in the slow and medium groups as most ppl have ridden to the day so need to ride home and still will not push that envelop, I know I will never push it that hard myself, I love my bike.
Have to jump in here Sandra and mention that, though there are the odd crashes in the race group, i think you will find they happen more often in group 2,3,4 !
Road tyres cold/damp track, stock suspension, wrong pressures all eqate to disaster ! Folk go out in shit conditions cause they have paid 100 notes and want their monies worth
Stood at the wall one day with Choppa watching bike after bike going down while we were yakking and the concensus was, like why go out on a wet track, we weren't there to test our wets ! But even in the dry i've seen bikes go down cause they're pushing the road bikes stock set up !As you say if ya there to take it easy and learn limits slowly all usually comes out rosey

[The Stranger]

As I've said before, if it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to give it the taste test.

Ok, ok you're right, what you said does look, feel and smell like shit so I'll just accept that it is shit without question.









I'll butt out. Not sure that this is the place for piss takes really.

[chanceyy]

Have to jump in here Sandra and mention that, though there are the odd crashes in the race group, i think you will find they happen more often in group 2,3,4 !
Road tyres cold/damp track, stock suspension, wrong pressures all eqate to disaster ! Folk go out in shit conditions cause they have paid 100 notes and want their monies worth
Stood at the wall one day with Choppa watching bike after bike going down while we were yakking and the concensus was, like why go out on a wet track, we weren't there to test our wets ! But even in the dry i've seen bikes go down cause they're pushing the road bikes stock set up !As you say if ya there to take it easy and learn limits slowly all usually comes out rosey

Was only commenting on what I had seen Bill, which has only been at manfeild, but then you have by far done hundred more track days than I have :yes: talking of shit conditions I was not keen to ride my bike on a wet track so went pillion on my own bike & had tutition on where on the track to be & how to negoiate corners smoother .. trusted the rider 110% helped :sunny: next time I may do it myself but will definitely nana it around the track in those kind of conditions

[smoky]

There is a countless number of threads about all sorts of rides, even organised rides with other groups, that have shit like that posted on it
KB and the internet is not reality, it is not a true representation of behavior on rides, I've been on enough rides to know that
People are full of talk - just go to the pub and listen to a bunch of young guys boosting and ribbing each other.

It's hardly exclusive to KB or threads about rides around the Coro

And again - the ride was not like that, if you were there you would know that.
One thing I do agree with you on is; people who post that kind of bullshit on here prior to a ride - then say everyone is responsible for their own ride, nothing to do with me, is a hypocrite in my books
There is such a thing as collective responsibility

After receiving red rep for the above post, from DIN PELENDA - (Rep comment removed by Moderator) I wondered why I had offended him so much, Just what point is he trying to make by red repping me. I have re read what I posted, and can't work out what his issue is!
Why would he take that post so personally?
Please enlighten me

[smoky]

I was keen to debate the question do we have any collective responsibility when on a group ride - but it seems that emotions around the event on Saturday are too high, and certain people keep drawing the discussion onto the ludicrous idea that collective responsibility means measuring or assessing other riders abilities. Others are also interpreting it as some sort of personal slight to the rider who died.

So I will spell out my thoughts, then leave it;

I can ride comfortably at the same speed as some riders who consider them self 'good' - kicked some arse on the Coro on occasions. However I realised one day that we are not bullet proof.
A few of us do the Coro, and other rides together, and on occassions it gets a bit insane - too fast.
I tried to ride with them, and ride my own ride, let them go if they want to race - but it kept turning into a pissing competition and we would be traveling at speeds, sometimes over 200, at every opportunity.

I made the disision not to ride with them until I could exersise some self control - one Saturday I got up, got togged up, then didn't go - I texted my mate, said I wasn't coming. I didn't trust myself to not end up racing.
That afternoon I was picking up his trashed bike, while he lay in hospital after coming off, he is still recovering.

So on Saturday, when a group traveling pretty quick came up behind me, I pulled over to let them passed, I tagged on behind for a while then pulled back, not because I could'nt ride that fast, not because I was judging their ability and thinking they were crazy - but because of a sense of collective responsibility, to not in any way personally condone that kind of riding, the kind of riding that seduces others into riding beyond their ability.

I don't think it had anything to do with lack of organisation on the ride, or needing to know what their ability was, and I in no way imply any guilt on behalf of the other riders that went passed me (not making any reference to the accident at all) - I just didn't want to be seen to in anyway encourage it, that's why I chose to exercise some self control.

Right or wrong - that's how I think

[Katman]

As the other eye witness who gave a statement to the police........

.........The cops have said speed was a major factor; that's bullshit and I'm disgusted that they would ignore the two eye witness statements.


And just how much credibility should we place on your statement to the police, III?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=84501

[SPman]

And just how much credibility should we place on your statement to the police, III?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=84501

So......what's that got to do with the price of fish.......?

[Maha]

The only part i dissagree with is, the rear brake at the end, RT will see this i'm sure and agree, if you've stood it up, applied emergency front brake on stock suspension, the minute you touch the back brake, that back wheel has no traction and your back end is doing the hell waggle ! If ya don't have the controll over your bike like a MX rider doing a whip over a jump, your into that ditch sideways and ya cant tell me ya aint seen it happen a number of times !


Thank you Bill, always learning...once you get to the point of knowing everything you are in trouble.

[smoky]

The only part i dissagree with is, the rear brake at the end, RT will see this i'm sure and agree, if you've stood it up, applied emergency front brake on stock suspension, the minute you touch the back brake, that back wheel has no traction and your back end is doing the hell waggle !

I have discovered another option - once in the corner release the front brake enough to lean over, stay leaning over (best chance of making the corner), let the back lock up on brakes and come around a bit before releasing it - when you feed throttle on you'll get it back. drop your body to the inside of the corner as much as possible.

Perhaps someone more experienced could describe it better - I've only had to do it a couple of times, I don't recommend it as a way to line up in a corner, but it can certainly get you around it when you find your self with no other options
I think it's called 'backing into the corner'

[R6_kid]

I think it's called 'backing into the corner'

Good luck with that, I'm sure the moment you fuck up a corner 'backing it in' will be the last thing on your mind.

If you want to debate responsibility or anything else, start another thread.

Same goes for the people wanting to know 'what happened'... disgusting. I asked (offline) because I wanted to know if it was someone I knew, I had no interest in the details of how they died.

And then there are the people placing blame, and saying that if they were there that it wouldn't have happened. Pull your head in and have some sympathy and consideration for those that were there and for the family of the person who died.

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

[Katman]

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

As is the sad inevitability.

[Maha]

Good luck with that, I'm sure the moment you fuck up a corner 'backing it in' will be the last thing on your mind.

If you want to debate responsibility or anything else, start another thread.

Same goes for the people wanting to know 'what happened'... disgusting. I asked (offline) because I wanted to know if it was someone I knew, I had no interest in the details of how they died.

And then there are the people placing blame, and saying that if they were there that it wouldn't have happened. Pull your head in and have some sympathy and consideration for those that were there and for the family of the person who died.

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

Absolutely right Gareth, peoples lives were changed on Saturday, including the person/s in the vehicle involved, cant imagine how they (I dont know if it were a 'they') must feel.

[Shaun S]

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.This is what has been going through my head for a few days, and yes it is very disturbing.

Compassion for so many people, all at different levels of this tradegy is what is needed!

[sinfull]

Thank you Bill, always learning...once you get to the point of knowing everything you are in trouble.
I should have mentioned Maha, that my comment was my opinion only ! Know i use the back on some occations on the road but the only place its usefull on the track for me, is when i'm on the grass lol
It fucked me up big time when the front was fully compressed and i touched the back in an instinctive move,
I would normally have stayed out of the discussion but thought it relivent to give my opinion of the 675 stock set up and how light the back is as i believe the rider was on the same bike !


I have discovered another option - once in the corner release the front brake enough to lean over, stay leaning over (best chance of making the corner), let the back lock up on brakes and come around a bit before releasing it - when you feed throttle on you'll get it back. drop your body to the inside of the corner as much as possible.


As R6 said, good luck with that ! Your a far better rider than i, if your using that technique on the road ! Especially under duress !
I did make reference to Jay Lawrence and backing it in to corners, but i believe the idea is you get the back wheel sliding by dropping it through the gears rather than locking the brakes up ! (unless you cheat)

[smoky]

Good luck with that, I'm sure the moment you fuck up a corner 'backing it in' will be the last thing on your mind.


The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.

Get off ya high horse dick - my comment was nothing at all to do with that, read it in context ya stirring little shit

and for your information I was not recommending it as a way to ride,
But if I find my self going way to hard into a corner (which was not the case on saturday), I'd rather trust my tyres and at lest try to get around a corner rather than lock it up and fuck off accross the other side of the road
:tugger:


I would normally have stayed out of the discussion but thought it relivent to give my opinion of the 675 stock set up and how light the back is as i believe the rider was on the same bike !
My comment, taken in context was not reflecting on the accident - I have no idea why he came off, and was not speculating
Someone was posting about what they would do if caught out going too hard into a corner - standing it up and locking up.
from my own experience that is not what I would try to do.



As R6 said, good luck with that ! Your a far better rider than i, if your using that technique on the road ! Especially under duress !
...... i believe the idea is you get the back wheel sliding by dropping it through the gears rather than locking the brakes up ! (unless you cheat)
It's not a thing I would do normally - but it is a better option than crossing to the other side of the road

And yes I do feel confident enough to do it, but only as a last resort, and it has worked for me. And you're right, the torque of my bike is enough to lock the wheel up in that situation

Again - no reflection on what happened on Saturday, I have stated already that more than enough riders on the scene have said "speed was not a factor"

[R6_kid]

Get off ya high horse dick - my comment was nothing at all to do with that, read it in context ya stirring little shit

Take a chill pill.


I'd rather trust my tyres and at lest try to get around a corner rather than lock it up and fuck off accross the other side of the road

That's all you had to say.

I just don't think it's kosha to be discussing options of how to avoid a particular situation, in a thread about a ride where it is known that someone died in that exact situation.

I have nothing against discussing the 'what would you do/what is best' in a given situation, I just don't think this is the right place.

[smoky]

Take a chill pill.
That's all you had to say.

You quoted me and linked it with the accident

Pull your head in and have some sympathy and consideration for those that were there and for the family of the person who died.

The lack of compassion in this place is disturbing sometimes.
when my comment was in no way referring to what happened, or reflecting my thoughts on it.


I just don't think it's kosha to be discussing options of how to avoid a particular situation, in a thread about a ride where it is known that someone died in that exact situation.
... I just don't think this is the right place.

point taken

[Zapf]

Why invite some one that "never ride loop, doesn't even know how to get to Kopu, first KB ride and you not sure if he is serious and you never talk to him and new riders or warn them abouth roads" .You never talk to us as a group on that day, we lost 1/2 riders as we left BP which have gone strait to Kopu, no communication what so ever, at Kopu I had to ask you infront of everyone which way we going......why organize the ride you should know better!DEATH INK you are out of my friends list will never ride with you again.

Listern up. "Death" & company is someone that I will always have no issues riding with. When I started riding 5 years ago from a 250cc Newbie they have been around and I have learnt much from them. You must remember, they are not a tour guide / they are not your minder. If you want to know something ASK.

My 1st ride with KB was on my 250cc VTR with 50k's on the clock. And yes it was to Waihi. Ride your own ride Oberve / Learn. I am still around.

[carver]

I have discovered another option - once in the corner release the front brake enough to lean over, stay leaning over (best chance of making the corner), let the back lock up on brakes and come around a bit before releasing it - when you feed throttle on you'll get it back. drop your body to the inside of the corner as much as possible.

Perhaps someone more experienced could describe it better - I've only had to do it a couple of times, I don't recommend it as a way to line up in a corner, but it can certainly get you around it when you find your self with no other options
I think it's called 'backing into the corner'

hi side city!