View Full Version : So what waaaaas the first ADV Bike?
Big Dave
23rd June 2009, 14:51
The first 'Production' model - and when was it made?
tri boy
23rd June 2009, 15:01
Any of the WW2 dipatch riders bikes. MHO
Badjelly
23rd June 2009, 15:14
The Honda CL350?
Seriously, the first bike I know of that was specifically designed for touring on unpaved back roads was the BMW R80 G/S. Before that there were all sorts of off-road and "dual-purpose" bikes (more like "no purpose" for most of them). And people toured on all sorts of roads on BMWs. But BMW invented the adventure class with the R80 G/S. At least that's my recollection.
And if you go far enough back, the roads were sufficiently bad that all bikes were adventure bikes.
3L4NS1R
23rd June 2009, 15:17
http://www.eventplan.co.uk/photos/Col03%2043Recce%202%20MC%20large%20LoRes.jpg
no idea on the model. ww2 dispatch rider. legends.
EDIT:
BSA M20's were used by the British as pictured above.
Crisis management
23rd June 2009, 15:19
Too easy BD......KTM990, everything else is just a pretender!
I supose it depends on when the "adventure" bike was invented, the name certainly wasn't around in the 70's but riding H1s and H2s was certainly an adventure...I suspect the R80GS was the first modern adventure bike but any bike fitted that category in the 30's...ask your mate Rhys.
TLDV8
23rd June 2009, 15:30
The first 'Production' model - and when was it made?
One of the first Trail bikes was the 1968 DT1 Yamaha.
Light weight,almost bullet proof and cheap and of course it was road
worthy so could take you anywhere.
<img src=http://www.dropbears.com/m/models/yamaha/images/Dt1-68.jpg>
Made well before people in suits dreaming up new names for what was already there for decades.
MSTRS
23rd June 2009, 15:51
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/3025294728_d67b037543.jpg?v=0
Note the front forks!!
Eddieb
23rd June 2009, 15:55
The Honda CL350?
Seriously, the first bike I know of that was specifically designed for touring on unpaved back roads was the BMW R80 G/S. Before that there were all sorts of off-road and "dual-purpose" bikes (more like "no purpose" for most of them). And people toured on all sorts of roads on BMWs. But BMW invented the adventure class with the R80 G/S. At least that's my recollection.
And if you go far enough back, the roads were sufficiently bad that all bikes were adventure bikes.
+1
Before the G/S there wasn't an adventure riding Genre, you just rode what you had wherever you wanted to go, roads or no roads.
So the G/S was the first 'Adventure Bike' but not the first bike used to do what we now refer to as Adventure riding.
Crasherfromwayback
23rd June 2009, 16:20
Note the front forks!!
I couldn't get past the grimmace on the poor c*nts face!
buggsubique
23rd June 2009, 16:26
I couldn't get past the grimmace on the poor c*nts face!
haha, yup! Old school undy wetting right there!
johannvr
23rd June 2009, 16:42
He knows how the nut crunch that's coming is gonna feel - not the first one for him probably :crybaby:
Eddieb
23rd June 2009, 16:54
Check out the right hand too, i think he's really having an 'oh shit' moment.
I remember when the first XL250 motosport came out they were regarded as the start of a new era - Cycle magazine had an article on 'can an XL250 win Baja?' They swapped the frames, the shocks, the tanks, the rims, just about everything but the engine - but my vote would be the XL250.
Ixion
23rd June 2009, 17:32
Arguably the BSA Bantam Bushman. First road bike specifically altered to have off road capability, without being competition oriented. Before that, plenty of road bikes were used off road, but that was just because back then the roads were off road.
Motu
23rd June 2009, 17:44
I supose it depends on when the "adventure" bike was invented, the name certainly wasn't around in the 70's
I think the Triumph Adventurer fits the bill on everything but fuel range....but back in the '70's there were several service stations in any small town,getting fuel in the middle of nowhere was not a problem.It was the best handling MX frame at the time (BSA),and with the Triumph twin engine it was a good road bike.But I made one better - a road legal Rickman Metisse with a T100C engine.
It all depends on where you start - in the modern world it started with the DT1.But I think the dispatch riders are really the first adventure riders - taking their bikes on all roads in all conditions.Certainly not BMW...unless you think marketing is what makes an adventure bike.
XF650
23rd June 2009, 17:56
Reproduction of HD advertisment, from between the wars I assume.
Promoting "roads, byways, woods, lakes & all outdoors" - sounds like adventure riding to me.
Or don't side-cars count?
rogson
23rd June 2009, 18:05
From the 1968 model brochure
NordieBoy
23rd June 2009, 20:26
From the 1968 model brochure
OMG! A Triumph with a Honda badge!
marks
23rd June 2009, 20:57
I think the Triumph Adventurer fits the bill on everything but fuel range....but back in the '70's there were several service stations in any small town,getting fuel in the middle of nowhere was not a problem.It was the best handling MX frame at the time (BSA),and with the Triumph twin engine it was a good road bike.But I made one better - a road legal Rickman Metisse with a T100C engine.
It all depends on where you start - in the modern world it started with the DT1.But I think the dispatch riders are really the first adventure riders - taking their bikes on all roads in all conditions.Certainly not BMW...unless you think marketing is what makes an adventure bike.
so you would be able to appreciate a bike (TR5T) a friend is building up. Should be finished in a couple of weeks apparently
http://www.britishspares.com/content/images/large-TR5Tb.jpg
Motu
23rd June 2009, 21:50
In 1973 I had the $600 in my pocket for the deposit on an Adventurer ($1,800 full price),I was going in on monday to pick it up.So on saturday morning I got a Triton for $650.I always prefer to pay cash,and as a 20 year old I would of wrecked a new bike pretty quick.Nice to think I would of been sensible and still have it today.
Motu
23rd June 2009, 23:06
From your ADV thread - one from the Webber's
http://www.rallytwin.com/harleys/Kenny_topped_out.jpg
I still say Triumph,as they were the first to coin the adventure label.
Ixion
23rd June 2009, 23:17
In 1973 I had the $600 in my pocket for the deposit on an Adventurer ($1,800 full price),I was going in on monday to pick it up.So on saturday morning I got a Triton for $650.I always prefer to pay cash,and as a 20 year old I would of wrecked a new bike pretty quick.Nice to think I would of been sensible and still have it today.
Fuck me ! 1973 and you had $600 cash in y' kick! Blurdy ikey bastard, eh. If I'd a known you then I'd come round and borrowed. Hell I don't think I even knew what $600 sounded like in those days. You was better off with the Triton, but.
Motu
23rd June 2009, 23:50
You was better off with the Triton, but.
Probably.That weekend I had a last fling in my old small back beetle,and upset a cop enough to blow his top,and write the car off the road.The next day when the owner delivered the Triton I took him home in the VW.....and the cop was at the end of my street.So I lost my license for 3 months....enough time to rebuild the Triton again.A new bike would of been a waste.
Rather than waste good bullshit about the first so called ADV bike - what first ADV made the most impact?
BSA Bantam Bushmaster.
Yamaha DT1
TT500
XR250
These are the ones I think set benchmarks for others to follow.Anything from 1990 on is just running over old ground.
TLDV8
23rd June 2009, 23:57
53 years ago when adventure was just that.
Two up,UK to Australia.
http://blogs.internetscooter.com/marriott/
<img src=http://blogs.internetscooter.com/marriott/marriott_cropped.jpg>
jistdowit
26th June 2009, 21:21
I reckon I had a bike that would qualify! It was a 1955 197cc Villiers engined Francis Barnett model 72.
The engine was the same as they fitted to a trial bike, the frame was fully sprung and was the same as what was used for their scrambles bikes.
It was fully road legal.
It was intended for the Australian market as a farm/station bike from memory so would also qualify as maybe the first true Ag bike.
I used mine for going to work, trials, and scrambles which of course was the norm in those days.
I have photos of mine but like a lot of noob's I'm having trouble attaching the photos, they are rejected by the system!
I'll do a bit a search on the subject and get back to posting the photos soon.
RedKLR650
27th June 2009, 23:13
The Honda CL350?
Seriously, the first bike I know of that was specifically designed for touring on unpaved back roads was the BMW R80 G/S. Before that there were all sorts of off-road and "dual-purpose" bikes (more like "no purpose" for most of them). And people toured on all sorts of roads on BMWs. But BMW invented the adventure class with the R80 G/S. At least that's my recollection.
And if you go far enough back, the roads were sufficiently bad that all bikes were adventure bikes.
After doing some research tonight, I discovered that BMW produced 21,864 BMW R80 G/S's between 1980 and 1987
I wondered why they stopped production in 1987, and then it struck me..... That was the year Kawasaki started production of the KLR 650 :banana::headbang::clap::first::buggerd::2thumbsup :lol: :rolleyes:
Stu
98tls
27th June 2009, 23:24
To be honest maybe this thread should be headed who was the first adventure rider,all things considered motorcycling was once considered an adventure open to all,its only been in the last few decades that it had to be done on a particular breed of bike:baby:
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