Hazzard County

[SixPackBack]

For the removal of doubt I am of course talking about Rodney County.......
Our local newspaper the Rodney Times has dedicated the front page to an article entitled "Red light for pursuit". The first paragraph succinctly sums the entire article.........."A Police pursuit that ended in the death of Jamie McElrea, 17, of Orewa should have been abandoned before a fatal crash, the Independent Police Conduct Authority has found". The article is damning in the actions of the officer claiming he was a 'Gold badge' pursuit officer who should have known better. Jamie's dad Mark plans a private prosecution.

Overzealous traffic Policing has become fairly obvious to not only the poor inhabitants of Hazzard County but also a fair proportion of New Zealands Motorcycle and Motorcar enthusiast. State highway 16 and Old North Road have been heavily Policed for many years, both are synonymous with the evil ginga and officers of his type.

Further proof of Hazzard Countys stalinist Police force exist on the ATNR. Licence loss and general ticketing have progressed from genuine policing to outright harassment. Such is the level of Policing on the ATNR the ride has been all but abandoned.

Given the amount of poor Policing in Hazzard County that has now been confirmed with the unfortunate demise of Jamie McElrea, I believe it an appropriate time for us to share our stories of Police conduct while travelling on 16, Old North or anywhere within the county.

My experiences are many but a couple come to mind:

The ATNR crew waiting at the end of Kahikatea Rd [as they usually do letting everyone re-group]. Two Police stop and wander past the number plates of all the assembled bikes, checking the number-plates against a large piece of ripped cardboard they carried with number-plates written down upon it. Nothing was said by the cops and the scene was farcical, why they used a piece of cardboard instead of notebooks was never revealed. Keystone cops?...you betchya!
Travelling along 16 on the Auckland Anniversary weekend run we had an unmarked Police car in front of us from the Kaukapakapa to 4kmh before the Brynderwns. Exactly why the cop felt the need to 'escort' a dozen bikers a distant of 50kmh was unknown.
Of course getting my licence taken off me for 147kmh was understandable on the day, watching the same cop roaring up and down a surburban road on his motorcycle a few months later in a far more dangerous display was hard to stomach, but I suspect his behaviour typifies the collective Police attitude here in Hazzard County.
Tell us your stories of Hazzard County.

[nallac]

while i agree the cop should have gone thru the proper processes before ,during and after the chase, the main fault belongs to the Dumb FUCKWIT driving the Subaru.

If the fuckhead didn't do a runna none of this would of happened.

[SixPackBack]

while i agree the cop should have gone thru the proper processes before ,during and after the chase, the main fault belongs to the Dumb FUCKWIT driving the Subaru.

If the fuckhead didn't do a runna none of this would of happened.

Your opinion is not shared with the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

[jamiey]

Ah bollocks! I've just moved to Orewa, I will make sure I am a law abiding motorcyclist on my daily journeys:Police:

[nallac]

Your opinion is not shared with the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

They say that what the coppa did was wrong, which i said/mean't.

Still the main blame lies with the Sub Driver.

[nallac]

Ah bollocks! I've just moved to Orewa, I will make sure I am a law abiding motorcyclist on my daily journeys:Police:

Now how boring will that be?..

[jamiey]

Now how boring will that be?..

Living in Orewa or riding sensibly??

Both!!

[JohnC]

Couple of year ago I'm cruising along not far from the Byrderwn turn off when I see flashing lights in the distance.
I pull over take my lid off an wait for the inevitable,,,I'd been sitting on about 135kph.
The cop comes over say's "good morning" an asks to see my licence.
He tells me he clocked me at 125km and then asks if I'd like to see the Radar.
I say "no thanks I know what I was doing" so he asks me to wait while he checks me details and goes back to the car to do so.
After a couple of minites he comes back ticket book in hand,an hands me a ticket for 115 in a 100 zone.
I look at it,an say fair enough mate,see ya' late,,,he say's "take it easy from here alright " an we both go our own ways.

Right nazi he was<_<,,,,,,:laugh:

[SixPackBack]

They say that what the coppa did was wrong, which i said/mean't.

Still the main blame lies with the Sub Driver.

Absolutley. The report leaves no doubt that had the officer behaved a little less zealously the result could have been licence loss and lesson learnt, as it is the immaturity of the 18 year old Subaru driver was matched with the immaturity of the copper, and that attitude is far too prevalent within the Police force in Hazzard.

[nallac]

Heres a linky to the story so people know whats what.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/rodney-times/2551599/Red-light-for-pursuit

[BM-GS]

Tell us your stories of Hazzard County.

Was passing a line of cars in an overtaking lane just south of Wellsford on SH1 at just a smidge over 100 (within the 10% tolerance) when it became obvious that I was going to run out of room before passing them all. They were all nose-to-tail and there wasn't enough room between them to push in at the end without looking like a dick. There was a big space about 4 cars ahead of where I figured I was going to end up, and, there being a fair amount of overtaking lane left, I gave it some gas to make the bigger gap, as any prudent motorist would. As I'm about to pull into the nicely-judged gap, I notice that the last car in the line coming the other way seemed overly equipped with reflective stripes and roof-mounted lights. I roll right off the gas... A glance at the speedo says a large-ish number. The over-equipped vehicle appears a few cars behind me in the line next time the road straightens out.

I turn off onto SH16, he follows & flashes all of his extra lights. I pull over and he explains that he momentarily had a radar reading of 134kph, but he couldn't tell which vehicle it was, since there was a line (and probably that I was slowing quite fast. He takes & checks rego, lic, WOF, etc, wishes me a happy birthday (for so it was) and tells me to be careful.

Sounded like a decent sort who probably gets fed up with scraping people off the trees & the road.

TBH I wasn't doing anything daft and in lots of other countries that road would have a much higher speed limit. In France the (bike) cops usually wave at you to slow down, thumbs up for riding nicely and cheer a decent wheeie.

[nallac]

So far my run in's with the local police have been fair-good.

Got a speeding ticket a few years back,was speeding so can't bitch.

Just got the R1 couple of months ago, overtook a undercover cop slightly exceeding speed limit, got followed in to work .He did wof ,rego and license check came back and said just watch your acceleration and left it at that.

I could of got a rather large fine and lots of demerit points,but didn't..
if i had it would have been my own fault any way..

So, sorry I can't really bitch about them.

[R6_kid]

ATNR ride on 19/07/2007, I was given a ticket for 'overtaking on solid yellow line' - what really happened was I passed a group of L-platers doing 70kmh in a 100kmh zone, indicated the entire time and never broke 110kmh, i pulled in at the beginning of the broken yellow at the end of the passing area.

At the time the cop was about 100m back. He then switched on the lights and sirens, pushed past the L-platers (about 6 of them) and folowed me into the 50kmh zone at Waitoki, I slowed down and moved over before noticing it was me that he was after, by which point he was less than a metre off my rear wheel, I pulled over and attempted to stop as I didn't feel safe negotiating the corner with him on my ass - the front wheel subsequently locked up on roadside gravel and I sustained some pretty nasty (deep) grazes to my knees.

I contested the ticket on the spot, the reply was 'get in the car and i'll show you where you did it' - ie, his word vs mine. Westie was gonna knock the cop out because he thought I'd been knocked off. An ambulance was called for (by the cop) which I said I didn't need. Cop still gave me the ticket too - $150 and accompanying demerits.

To his merit, the cop took the time to fully explain the ticket etc etc, which is the only time I've ever that done.

[peasea]

I had a run with a cop in Rodney a couple of years ago, posted my experiences here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=50309&highlight=Lying+pig+scumbag

Good luck up there dudes and dudesses, the place is riddled with the vermin in blue and yes, they target bikers make no mistake.

I am so glad to be out of that place, a place that would be quite nice if it weren't overpopulated with dweebs and home to at least one lying, scumbag pig who is a disgrace to the uniform.

(Conversely, I was stopped a while back in Nelson and the cop was nothing but well-mannered. I responded in kind.)

[SixPackBack]

More from the article.................................
The authority found a number of breaches of police policy by the pursuing officer.
Before starting the pursuit he had no legal justification for exceeding the limit, and when he did start to pursue, he did not inform the communications centre as he was required to, so the centre could form an independent view of the risks and determine whether the pursuit should continue, the authority report says.
Having abandoned the pursuit, the officer should not have restarted without authorisation from the centre, and having recommenced it, he should have abandoned it when the Subaru’s driving became too dangerous.
"When the Subaru overtook the first vehicle, the risks posed by the pursuit outweighed the need to immediately apprehend the driver," authority chairwoman Justice Lowell Goddard said.
"At that point, the pursuit should have been abandoned."
The officer also acted inappropriately by driving through the crash scene, the report says.

Read: The officer ignored protocol and continued pursuing an inexperienced driver until he crashed. Had he called off the pursuit [as the Comms. centre would have recommended] the young man would undoubtedly still be alive.

You might wonder why I am fired up about this case. I know the young mans mother and have met her at several functions, she is not the same person pre accident...not the same at all!.......she has an over zealous officer to thank for what is close to the man slaughter of her sons death, and from experience her life will be that much poorer for ever more without the presence of her son.

[ManDownUnder]

...they target bikers make no mistake...

I'd suggest they target specific bikers - I've been here 4 years and never had a problem. Not minimising the issue at all, manslaughter is manslaughter but it seems the MO might be to chase specific plates

[SixPackBack]

I'd suggest they target specific bikers - I've been here 4 years and never had a problem. Not minimising the issue at all, manslaughter is manslaughter but it seems the MO might be to chase specific plates

How transparent is that? surely if the police had an issue with specific bikers a quiet word would be the first course of action....you know like the old days when people communicated....Ironically the only time a police officer has attempted to notify me of questionable on road behaviour another officer exposed him as a liar a short time afterwards.
Incidentally Nigel you have also socialised with the young mans mother on a few occasions...

[RT527]

Your opinion is not shared with the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

But Its his Opinion as this is mine too!.

Do you mean the ones who are being PC its bullshit, they couldn't decide which hand to handcuff on a one handed offender! I believe it should be the sole responsibility of the driver being pursued that in the event of a death he should be charged with Murder or manslaughter. If you have nothing to hide or fear then you pull over , if you are guilty you are 10 times more likely to run from the law.
I don't disagree with you on some things but We have to get back to personal Responsibility, Oh and isn't it the responsibility of the police whether you like it or not to uphold the law why cant we let them do that and before you say it not all police are like what you perceive them to be.

Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

[SixPackBack]

But Its his Opinion as this is mine too!.

Do you mean the ones who are being PC its bullshit, they couldn't decide which hand to handcuff on a one handed offender! I believe it should be the sole responsibility of the driver being pursued that in the event of a death he should be charged with Murder or manslaughter. If you have nothing to hide or fear then you pull over , if you are guilty you are 10 times more likely to run from the law.
I don't disagree with you on some things but We have to get back to personal Responsibility, Oh and isn't it the responsibility of the police whether you like it or not to uphold the law why cant we let them do that and before you say it not all police are like what you perceive them to be.

Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

Fight or flight reaction is very strong within testosterone fuelled individuals, and would explain why many 'runners' come about-they are scared and do the only thing they can. Run. Often to avoid another offence, if that is drink driving or having a few cones, then you would have to say neither crime deserves 'death by police pursuit'!?
Probably one of the many reasons that police protocol requires officers to confer with Comms. control before making rash decisions, is that fight or flight reaction is recognised and needs to be considered. i.e will the motorist speed to his death? in this case the answer was 'yes'.
And yes you are correct about good coppers. I have met a great deal of superlative individuals associated with keeping the law-my wife is one of them. Unfortunately Hazzard county has a bad reputation for over zealous dodgy coppers and its about time something was done to correct it.

[RT527]

like I said I don't Disagree with you , there are some damning things on that officer , I'm just expressing that we need to get tougher on the ones that run and in my eyes that means pursuing them until they are caught.
I haven't really had many problems when I'm pulled but then I usually pass the attitude test pretty quickly And I am guessing that the ones with the good story's on here are the same.

[ManDownUnder]

Just got the printed version of the Rodney Times delivered... this story take up the whole front page

[slowpoke]

You might wonder why I am fired up about this case. I know the young mans mother and have met her at several functions, she is not the same person pre accident...not the same at all!.......she has an over zealous officer to thank for what is close to the man slaughter of her sons death, and from experience her life will be that much poorer for ever more without the presence of her son.


WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

[SixPackBack]

like I said I don't Disagree with you , there are some damning things on that officer , I'm just expressing that we need to get tougher on the ones that run and in my eyes that means pursuing them until they are caught.
I haven't really had many problems when I'm pulled but then I usually pass the attitude test pretty quickly And I am guessing that the ones with the good story's on here are the same.

Pursuing until caught??......this case proves that is not always possible, catching them?...absolutley.

Attitude is a two way thing. Respect is not earned not given. Sadly attitude is absence from some of the officers within Hazzard county. Expecting said motorist/s to behave with respect after an officer has blatantly lied or laughed while ticketing, has some sad ramifications to the rest of the force.

Pay it forward......said motorist gets stopped again and is defensive before the officer has even opened his mouth, and understandably so.

[SixPackBack]

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

an extract from the article...
Justice Lowell Goddard said the primary responsibility for the fatal crash lay with the driver of the car being chased, Troy Anderson, who was intoxicated, drove at speed and lost control of his vehicle.

.......And secondary responsibility lay with the officer who behaved as immarturaley as the driver of the Subaru. Additionally he broke police protocol as a maverick.

Yup the officer most certainly has to accept some blame himself. Read the article, doubt is also placed upon surrounding officers who looked to reduce the amount of potental blame the pursuing officer would get. Crooked fuckers.

With all due respect slowpoke come and live in Hazzard county for a year and you will be siging exactly the same tune. CORRUPTION.

[klingon]

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

Just to clarify: Yes, the guy who was killed was a passenger in the car that crashed, not the driver. Also he was wearing a seat belt (but had his seat reclined too far so the belt didn't stop him being thrown from the car).

[ghost]

So intoxicated fuckwit drivers should be given free range to what ever they want? Sounds rational.

The message being is drink, drive, kill someone, not your fault, but that cop who had the gaul to thinks of stopping you, and didnt follow to the exact letter, the pursuit policy, totally to blame...... I think he should at least loose his job, I mean what was he thinking.......

[R6_kid]

WTF? Have I missed something? Was the officer driving the sons car? Was the son an innocent passenger? Sorry, "close to manslaughter" is stretching the truth.

The son is responsible for the mother's grief, and you should be angry at the son. Thanks to the poor decision making of the son, many peoples lives are ruined, including the coppers.

If you did your job incorrectly and someone died as a consequence, what would you expect to happen?

If you did your job overzealously over and over again, building a bad name for the organisation for which you represent, what would you expect to happen?

[SixPackBack]

...... I think he should at least loose his job, I mean what was he thinking.......

........Agreed.

[nosebleed]

Fight or flight reaction is very strong within testosterone fuelled individuals, and would explain why many 'runners' come about-they are scared and do the only thing they can. Run. Often to avoid another offence, if that is drink driving or having a few cones, then you would have to say neither crime deserves 'death by police pursuit'!?
Probably one of the many reasons that police protocol requires officers to confer with Comms. control before making rash decisions, is that fight or flight reaction is recognised and needs to be considered. i.e will the motorist speed to his death? in this case the answer was 'yes'.
And yes you are correct about good coppers. I have met a great deal of superlative individuals associated with keeping the law-my wife is one of them. Unfortunately Hazzard county has a bad reputation for over zealous dodgy coppers and its about time something was done to correct it.


Sorry dude, i can see where you're coming from in terms of the over-zealous attitude, but i don't think this particular case is the one with which build your platform

The point I've highighted is not one that WE should consider but rather one that Mr Anderson should consider... he was the driver, he was pissed, and he was (reportedly) travelling at 150 - 170 kph.

What did happen to Mr Anderson? he caused the death of his mate.
His mate flew out of the car because his seatbelt couldn't do its job... lying as flat as possible in the front seats is not only a crime against good taste, but it is also intrinsicly (?) unsafe...as Jamie McElrea found out.
To me and mine this seatbelt thing is patently obvious, but even if Jamie McElrea couldn't work it out for himself his parents should have taught him. I'm sure his old man has enough life experience.

There are laws against drink driving, check out the feeling on http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=101840 to see what our attitudes to this are.

There are laws against speeding, and reading this article I can see why the Rodney cops are getting 'zealous'. trouble is fuckwits that drink-drive-speed are shitting in your nest too.

'Boy-Racers' in Subaru's are first to bitch about being picked on, but the irresponsible attitude they display is the root cause (see seatbelt rant) not the Police's desire to pull over every Subaru they see.
Hell, my old girl drives a Forrester (in Rodney) and she isn't targeted.

How different this thread would have been if a bike was coming the other way around one of Mr Anderson's blind corners.

The pursuit didn't cause the crash -- Anderson did. And HE is the one that everyone should be venting at.

[SixPackBack]

Sorry dude, i can see where you're coming from in terms of the over-zealous attitude, but i don't think this particular case is the one with which build your platform

The point I've highighted is not one that WE should consider but rather one that Mr Anderson should consider... he was the driver, he was pissed, and he was (reportedly) travelling at 150 - 170 kph.

What did happen to Mr Anderson? he caused the death of his mate.
His mate flew out of the car because his seatbelt couldn't do its job... lying as flat as possible in the front seats is not only a crime against good taste, but it is also intrinsicly (?) unsafe...as Jamie McElrea found out.
To me and mine this seatbelt thing is patently obvious, but even if Jamie McElrea couldn't work it out for himself his parents should have taught him. I'm sure his old man has enough life experience.

There are laws against drink driving, check out the feeling on http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=101840 to see what our attitudes to this are.

There are laws against speeding, and reading this article I can see why the Rodney cops are getting 'zealous'. trouble is fuckwits that drink-drive-speed are shitting in your nest too.

'Boy-Racers' in Subaru's are first to bitch about being picked on, but the irresponsible attitude they display is the root cause (see seatbelt rant) not the Police's desire to pull over every Subaru they see.
Hell, my old girl drives a Forrester (in Rodney) and she isn't targeted.

How different this thread would have been if a bike was coming the other way around one of Mr Anderson's blind corners.

The pursuit didn't cause the crash -- Anderson did. And HE is the one that everyone should be venting at.

So in your view the officer is completely without blame?

As for the coppers getting zealous in Hazzard County......no excuse exists for the police to lie or laugh to the motorists they are sworn to protect. Collectively the coppers are largely a bunch of arse holes in Hazzard county, come and have a taste and tell me different.

[eelracing]

A few years back a young lady was wiped out in the middle of a main intrsection here in Wanganui by a pursued driver.The pursuit had started in a suburb and when getting close to the city center the cop should of pulled out and disengaged from the chase.He did'nt and part of the consequence was the pursued driver ran a red light and plowed into another car.

As an aside the driver and his buddies who did the runner were then observed by horrified witnesses to hop out of there car utterly pissed off there faces and sharing a laugh while at the same time this girl was either dead or dying.

Scum like this are gonna run whatever the circumstances,they have no respect for themselves let alone other peoples lives...should the cop have pulled out of the chase and maybe they wouldnt of run the light???

What if it was one of us or a member of your family that was killed by one of these runners?Would you blame the cop?
If pursuing into a built up/traffic heavy area...then yes,thats why they have other cops and radios for.
Personally I think he should have,but then i have the benefit of hindsight.

And i can't see much difference between driving drunk and or doing a runner than say shooting off a shotgun indiscriminately at your neighbors.In fact the perpetrators should be dealt with the same way if it results in innocent deaths

[nosebleed]

In my view -- not completely no.
But neither should it be a witch hunt, that diverts blame from the true offender.

Say he had called it off, and Mr Anderson (sorry, I've the Matrix voice in my head) had caused an accident further down the road.
It would become evident that this officer had the opportunity to stop him -- and didn't.
Bet the officer'd be being blamed for that call then.

I do ride the area -- my folks are in Tomarata. And I've been pinged.
Shot up to Waipu on the Sun 21st, back through Brenderwyn and SH16. Not one cop on the whole trip.
Been in the area other times and counted 1/2 dozen easy.

I'm not disputing your experiences, you live in the area so you see them more than I do.
But, this case isn't the result of over-zealous police work (in MY view)

[SixPackBack]

A few years back a young lady was wiped out in the middle of a main intrsection here in Wanganui by a pursued driver.The pursuit had started in a suburb and when getting close to the city center the cop should of pulled out and disengaged from the chase.He did'nt and part of the consequence was the pursued driver ran a red light and plowed into another car.

As an aside the driver and his buddies who did the runner were then observed by horrified witnesses to hop out of there car utterly pissed off there faces and sharing a laugh while at the same time this girl was either dead or dying.

Scum like this are gonna run whatever the circumstances,they have no respect for themselves let alone other peoples lives...should the cop have pulled out of the chase and maybe they wouldnt of run the light???

What if it was one of us or a member of your family that was killed by one of these runners?Would you blame the cop?
If pursuing into a built up/traffic heavy area...then yes,thats why they have other cops and radios for.
Personally I think he should have,but then i have the benefit of hindsight.

And i can't see much difference between driving drunk and or doing a runner than say shooting off a shotgun indiscriminately at your neighbors.In fact the perpetrators should be dealt with the same way if it results in innocent deaths

The father of the deceased lad is taking the police to court in this case which gives an idea of the depth of revulsion and blame the family feel towards the officers actions.
The court case will be interesting to say the least, but if the complaints authority is any measure somebody will receive a royal butt reaming, and rightly so.

[SixPackBack]

For those that can be bothered, the following threads [together with the ATNR thread] give a good indication of the type of behaviour Hazzard County locals have to put up with.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=74814&highlight=ginga+copper

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=69494&highlight=ginga+copper

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=74863&highlight=ginga+copper

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=76241&highlight=ginga+copper

[peasea]

I'd suggest they target specific bikers - I've been here 4 years and never had a problem. Not minimising the issue at all, manslaughter is manslaughter but it seems the MO might be to chase specific plates

I wouldn't doubt it, especially if you stood up for your rights then you'd be a target for sure. Names and rego numbers would go around the smoko room like....swine flu.

[SixPackBack]

I wouldn't doubt it, especially if you stood up for your rights then you'd be a target for sure. Names and rego numbers would go around the smoko room like....swine flu.

That has most definitely happened. Arseholes.

[peasea]

That has most definitely happened. Arseholes.

It's kinda funny (in a perverse kind of way) that whenever you stick up for yourself and tell the offending (offensive) cop that this is that and so on, they always say "don't quote the law to me". However, I respond with something along the lines of "If you knew your job I wouldn't have to" and they get all nasty. Weird.

If they know so much how come they make so many fuckups?

[SixPackBack]

It's kinda funny (in a perverse kind of way) that whenever you stick up for yourself and tell the offending (offensive) cop that this is that and so on, they always say "don't quote the law to me". However, I respond with something along the lines of "If you knew your job I wouldn't have to" and they get all nasty. Weird.

If they know so much how come they make so many fuckups?

We all make mistakes peasea, its the lies that are hard to stomach

[Swoop]

this case isn't the result of over-zealous police work (in MY view)
I tend to disagree.
A personal incident that I was witness to, indicated that there is a "thank you, come again" attitude.
Two mates lost their licences, however once they were added to the plod's quota, he was extremely fast in getting back on the road to continue making it safer.

Gotta show the boss who's a good boy and exceeding the quota. = More donuts.

[peasea]

We all make mistakes peasea, its the lies that are hard to stomach

Ah yes, quite right, we do and they are, I agree. However, I do feel that someone who is supposed to uphold the law should know something about it. It would appear that being a 'big, burly, rufty-tufty, rugby-playing boofhead' comes way before common sense, diplomacy, general knowledge and knowledge of the law at police training schools.

[scumdog]

while i agree the cop should have gone thru the proper processes before ,during and after the chase, the main fault belongs to the Dumb FUCKWIT driving the Subaru.

If the fuckhead didn't do a runna none of this would of happened.

Damn right, drongo 17 years olds that think they "know it all" and worse, think they can drive....

[SixPackBack]

Damn right, drongo 17 years olds that think they "know it all" and worse, think they can drive....

Pity the cop had the same attitude.........

[scumdog]

The father of the deceased lad is taking the police to court in this case which gives an idea of the depth of revulsion and blame the family feel towards the officers actions.
The court case will be interesting to say the least, but if the complaints authority is any measure somebody will receive a royal butt reaming, and rightly so.

The dick that decided to do the runner COULD have pulled over and stopped, couldn't he???

And he might still be alive had he done so.

Meh, cops are like taxes, bad roads, waiting lists for surgery and inter-island ferries, a part of life.....maybe not everybodies cup of tea, maybe not all as shit hot as some would like but hey, what ya goin' to do eh.....

[Patrick]

The father of the deceased lad is taking the police to court in this case which gives an idea of the depth of revulsion and blame the family feel towards the officers actions.
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I wonder about the depth of revulsion they have for the driver of the pursued car.... no mention anywhere about that....?????

[peasea]

The dick that decided to do the runner COULD have pulled over and stopped, couldn't he???

And he might still be alive had he done so.

Meh, cops are like taxes, bad roads, waiting lists for surgery and inter-island ferries, a part of life.....maybe not everybodies cup of tea, maybe not all as shit hot as some would like but hey, what ya goin' to do eh.....

That's the spirit; "what ya goin' to do?" (Bad boy, bad boy....)

Cops are NOT like taxes. Taxes might skin you alive but they don't lie while they're doing it.

[scumdog]

That's the spirit; "what ya goin' to do?" (Bad boy, bad boy....)

Cops are NOT like taxes. Taxes might skin you alive but they don't lie while they're doing it.

Ok, I'll bear that in mind if I ever lie......

[scumdog]

Pity the cop had the same attitude.........

Well HE is still alive, musta known a tad more than the dead guy!!




(Oh, man, I just loovve KB! - AND Brown Brother shiraz)

[SixPackBack]

The dick that decided to do the runner COULD have pulled over and stopped, couldn't he???

Of course. He was however a frightened immature 18 year old who had a lot to learn. The cop was a trained proffesional who should have known better.

And he might still be alive had he done so.

Meh, cops are like taxes, bad roads, waiting lists for surgery and inter-island ferries, a part of life.....maybe not everybodies cup of tea, maybe not all as shit hot as some would like but hey, what ya goin' to do eh.....


I wonder about the depth of revulsion they have for the driver of the pursued car.... no mention anywhere about that....?????

Burn the cop by media you reckon Patrick?....you could be right., The cop still deserves demoting IMHO.

[SixPackBack]

Well HE is still alive, musta known a tad more than the dead guy!!




(Oh, man, I just loovve KB! - AND Brown Brother shiraz)


Shit I'm surprised your masters have not muzzled you with comments like that.

[Jantar]

...Say he had called it off, and Mr Anderson (sorry, I've the Matrix voice in my head) had caused an accident further down the road.
It would become evident that this officer had the opportunity to stop him -- and didn't.....

From my reading of the events the officer didn't have any opportunity to stop the speeding vehicle. All he could do was pursue as it was obvious that the offender wasn't going to stop.

[Squiggles]

I'd suggest they target specific bikers - I've been here 4 years and never had a problem.
I've never had a problem with the police up that way either


a quiet word
Would be ignored.

Sure, the cop should have followed protocol, so he isnt without blame, But the majority lies with the drunken idiot behind the wheel.

[peasea]

Well HE is still alive, musta known a tad more than the dead guy!!




(Oh, man, I just loovve KB! - AND Brown Brother shiraz)

Is that a Maori wine?

[scumdog]

Is that a Maori wine?

Oh you fillerstyne.

[peasea]

Sure, the cop should have followed protocol, so he isnt without blame, But the majority lies with the drunken idiot behind the wheel.

Can't argue with that.

:no:

[peasea]

Oh you fillerstyne.

You're the one who called it "Brown Brother", I think you're missing an 'S' on the end. They do make a nice tipple them bro's.

Oh that was sooo lame.

[Kickaha]

The father of the deceased lad is taking the police to court in this case which gives an idea of the depth of revulsion and blame the family feel towards the officers actions.
The court case will be interesting to say the least, but if the complaints authority is any measure somebody will receive a royal butt reaming, and rightly so.

And what action will they be taking against the driver of the car who was the real killer of their son?

[peasea]

And what action will they be taking against the driver of the car who was the real killer of their son?

Probably nothing like this:



BEST QUOTE OF 2008...BRAVO FOR SHERIFF JUDD.
Gotta admire the man for being honest.

Florida got it right. Bravo for Sheriff Judd.


POLK COUNTY FLORIDA SHERIFF GRADY JUDD

An illegal alien in Polk County Florida who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop ended up 'executing' the deputy who stopped him. The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed. A state wide manhunt ensued.

The murderer was found hiding in a wooded area with his gun. After he shot at them, SWAT team officers open fired and hit the guy 68 times.

Now here's the kicker:

Naturally, the liberal media went nuts and asked why they shot the poor undocumented immigrant 68 times.

Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel: 'Because that's all the ammunition we had.'

:2guns::2guns::2guns:

[SixPackBack]

And what action will they be taking against the driver of the car who was the real killer of their son?

Manslaughter would have to figure some where in the equation I would guess for the driver. That will be no suprise.

As for the maverick copper we will have to wait and see.

[peasea]

if the complaints authority is any measure somebody will receive a royal butt reaming, and rightly so.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .

What the fuck ever.

[SixPackBack]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .

What the fuck ever.

Sorry bro, a moment of wishfull thinking.

[peasea]

Sorry bro, a moment of wishfull thinking.

That's the kind of thinking the general public has when lodging complaints with the PCA, rofl.:innocent:

[varminter]

If the cop hadn't chased him he'd still be alive..it's the cops fault.
If she hadn't struggled while I was raping her I'd not have strangled her.. it's her fault.
If the shop keeper hadn't argued and given me the money I'd not have shot him..it's his fault.

Always the other persons fault 'eh.

[NDORFN]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.
2: The police officer should've called it off when the danger of chasing the offender out-weighed the danger in letting him get away.
3: :wari:

[SixPackBack]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.
2: The police officer should've called it off when the danger of chasing the offender out-weighed the danger in letting him get away.
3: :wari:

1. Agreed. Most 18 yr old lads are still children...........
2. Officers always know better. Apparently their collective driving skills are better as well.....how else can they get away with driving in a manner that would see the general public lose licences?
3. :bash:..............my take on living in Hazzard County!

[Maha]

Damned if you Damned if you senario...

Couple of things left out of the 1st post....

: The driver of the Subaru WRX was pissed.
: The speeds reached were around 170kph
: The dead guy was wearing a seatbelt, but his seat was reclined to such a degree that the seat belt was ineffective.
: He was thrown from the vehicle and hit a concrete power poll
: The Subaru twice overtook cars on blind corners.

Two questions?
Did the driver survive?? no mention of him in the article other than he was pissed..
Could the car have crashed anyway given the fact that its a high powered vehicle and the driver was intoxicated?

Justice Lowell Goddard said ''the primary responsibility for the fatal crash lay with the driver of the car being chased''

And I agree....if you are being chased by a cop for whatever reason (and you decide to chance it by not stopping) and you crash and someone dies, then that is your fault.
The better choice to make at the time is to Stop!

[Indoo]

I could understand the fathers anger alot more if his son was actually a victim and not a willing participant in all this.

The 'victim' chose to get into the car of this idiot who presumambly he knew well.

The 'victim' knew that the driver was pissed, an idiot, inexperienced and driving a high powered car and he still chose to get in the front seat.

He did nothing to stop the drunken moron behind the wheel prior to the pursuit, and more likely than not he and the other passengers were all encouraging the driver in the pursuit rather than making him stop.

The ex-cop certainly screwed up and deserved to lose his job for his part in it all but the responsibility for the crash itself lies on the driver and the passengers in his car.

[Patrick]

Burn the cop by media you reckon Patrick?....you could be right., The cop still deserves demoting IMHO.


What does one demote an ex cop to... the common garden scrote?


1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.
2: The police officer should've called it off when the danger of chasing the offender out-weighed the danger in letting him get away.
3: :wari:

How does an 18 year old afford a Subaru like that?

Daddy??????

If so, is daddy sueing his own arse for helping make it happen, be it by :

- buying the car,
- lending the money
- being guarantor for any loan...

Hmmm..........:innocent:

[SPman]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.


Good thing Chris Amon, Scott Dixon and countless others didn't know that......

[Deano]

1: 18 is too young for someone (particularly a male) to be driving a car that can go that fast.


Off topic a little but - How do guys that young get insurance for high performance vehicles ?

When I was 18 I bought an RX4 coupe - the insurance company I applied to rang my mother (oh the humiliation) before they would insure me.

I don't know what lies she told them (like how responsible I was) but they didn't give it to me off the bat.

I'm sure an EVO or Imprezza would eat my old rotor, although it was good for 0-100kph in 7.4s (off the speedo). Top speed of a measley 200kph.

[scumdog]

Good thing Chris Amon, Scott Dixon and countless others didn't know that......

I bet THEY didn't do runners fom cops while pissed and with ding-a-ling mates in a Subaru...

And mainly kept their racing to the track too I bet..

[SixPackBack]

I bet THEY didn't do runners fom cops while pissed and with ding-a-ling mates in a Subaru...

And mainly kept their racing to the track too I bet..

Pity the copper did not keep his racing to the track?

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how damning the evidence against a dodgy copper our very own KB officers never have the balls to speak out. Is that through a twisted sense of solidarity or fear of repercussions from fellow copper-or even worse the boss.

This thread is not about the appropriation of primary blame-that is well established. The 18 year old crashed the car.

The thread is not about secondary blame-that is also well established. Without the maverick copper the kid would be still alive

The thread is about poor police practices within Hazzard County. The news article epitomises attitudes motorcyclists like myself face, attitudes that have brought the ATNR to its knees long after participants behaved themselves and created an atmosphere of deep mistrust.

As long as the sheeple keep making piss poor excuses for collective inaction we will continue to be targeted. If you are of the opinion that 'it won't happen to me' at least have the balls to stick up for your fellow motorcyclist who are being unlawfully targeted.

[PrincessBandit]

The thread is about poor police practices within Hazzard County. The news article epitomises attitudes motorcyclists like myself face, attitudes that have brought the ATNR to its knees long after participants behaved themselves and created an atmosphere of deep mistrust.

As long as the sheeple keep making piss poor excuses for collective inaction we will continue to be targeted. If you are of the opinion that 'it won't happen to me' at least have the balls to stick up for your fellow motorcyclist who are being unlawfully targeted.



Maybe you might benefit from a change of scenery and location?

Unfortunately there are some people who will attract "targeting" (if it is that and not paranoia) no matter where they are.

[SixPackBack]

Maybe you might benefit from a change of scenery and location?

Unfortunately there are some people who will attract "targeting" (if it is that and not paranoia) no matter where they are.

Fuck that I like it here.

If its paranoia then it affects a few people.

[The Stranger]

Only had 4 issues in Rodney.

1) A ticket for 93 whilst towing a boat trailer - Everything else on the car and trailer was fine and I gave no attitude.
2) A spurrious dangerous charge resulting from a single complaint from a member of the public whom I overtook on a bridge. I'm so evil.
3) A certain orificer trying desperately and dangerously to catch someone through twisties on the ATNR. Put it this way, his brakes were smoking, not just hot and smelling. A few more km and he would have had none. He could have flicked on the disco lights, but instead tailgated the other bikes with his lights on full until he passed them (through twisties) to try and catch the front bike.
4) A bunch of tossers setting up a road block especially for the ATNR. We are such bad boys that they needed to set up a special op just for us. At least they got some of us drug runing murdering arseholes put away for good.

[Morcs]

Most of my dealings with said police officers have been deserved. However, their attitude in threatening to add more charges if I ever politely contest the current charge is quite disturbing.

There was the night last year (summer I think, around october?) that they had a total of 8+ police officers form a roadblock/checkpoint at the end of peak road. they had an unmarked 'sweeper' vehicle riding in our ride in the same direction, basically anyone who passed him etc.. had their number plate noted. So at the roadblock we are one-by-one told to stop and pull over. I travelled past one of the officers at about 3kph looking for the next safest place to pull over - as I didnt stop instantly I got hit around the head with one of those big-fuck-off police torches. Cars coming in the same direction were not stopped. Sweeper car catches up, and starts searching and ticketing by the list they had made.

Another incident last year - A marked car waiting at the bottom of the passing lanes on SH16 - just 3kms from westgate. He turned his radar on as we approached. He then proceeded to follow us down old north road. It was dark and we had about 10 bikes out. I decided to do a detour, and whilst in the middle of the pack I turned down taylor road. Police car decides to follow me. I took 3 turns at intersections (as usual to do the taylor road loop) and he followed me through all of them, when joining back with peak road, I decided to turn left and head to helensville. Cop followed me still. I think he realised I was toying with him when we got to the outskirts of helensville as he disappeared from my tail - but he must have followed me for a good 20km, without me putting a foot wrong, or pulling me over. Harrassment no doubt.

[SixPackBack]

Most of my dealings with said police officers have been deserved. However, their attitude in threatening to add more charges if I ever politely contest the current charge is quite disturbing.

A classic example of dodgy police behaviour. Once in court the JP/Judge automatically believes the officer.

There was the night last year (summer I think, around october?) that they had a total of 8+ police officers form a roadblock/checkpoint at the end of peak road. they had an unmarked 'sweeper' vehicle riding in our ride in the same direction, basically anyone who passed him etc.. had their number plate noted. So at the roadblock we are one-by-one told to stop and pull over. I travelled past one of the officers at about 3kph looking for the next safest place to pull over - as I didnt stop instantly I got hit around the head with one of those big-fuck-off police torches. Cars coming in the same direction were not stopped. Sweeper car catches up, and starts searching and ticketing by the list they had made.

Police brutality and or stupidity!?.........Morc is not an imposing figure or someone requiring the bash. Are we dealing with the mob or those that are supposed to protect us?

Another incident last year - A marked car waiting at the bottom of the passing lanes on SH16 - just 3kms from westgate. He turned his radar on as we approached. He then proceeded to follow us down old north road. It was dark and we had about 10 bikes out. I decided to do a detour, and whilst in the middle of the pack I turned down taylor road. Police car decides to follow me. I took 3 turns at intersections (as usual to do the taylor road loop) and he followed me through all of them, when joining back with peak road, I decided to turn left and head to helensville. Cop followed me still. I think he realised I was toying with him when we got to the outskirts of helensville as he disappeared from my tail - but he must have followed me for a good 20km, without me putting a foot wrong, or pulling me over. Harrassment no doubt.

Yup harassment-no question.

[SixPackBack]

Only had 4 issues in Rodney.

1) A ticket for 93 whilst towing a boat trailer - Everything else on the car and trailer was fine and I gave no attitude.
2) A spurrious dangerous charge resulting from a single complaint from a member of the public whom I overtook on a bridge. I'm so evil.
3) A certain orificer trying desperately and dangerously to catch someone through twisties on the ATNR. Put it this way, his brakes were smoking, not just hot and smelling. A few more km and he would have had none. He could have flicked on the disco lights, but instead tailgated the other bikes with his lights on full until he passed them (through twisties) to try and catch the front bike.
4) A bunch of tossers setting up a road block especially for the ATNR. We are such bad boys that they needed to set up a special op just for us. At least they got some of us drug runing murdering arseholes put away for good.

Only 4 issues?..........one involves dangerous driving, the other police harassment.

[Patrick]

Good thing Chris Amon, Scott Dixon and countless others didn't know that......

Scummy beat me to it... took the words right out of me mouth.... Plus one Scummy.


Pity the copper did not keep his racing to the track? It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how damning the evidence against a dodgy copper

A mid week local firestarter paper is not "evidence."

our very own KB officers never have the balls to speak out.

Two sides of the story and all....

Is that through a twisted sense of solidarity or fear of repercussions from fellow copper-or even worse the boss.

Nope. Just know what it is like in the real world..... not the perceived world of some who are narrow minded (present company excluded SPB)

This thread is not about the appropriation of primary blame-that is well established. The 18 year old crashed the car.

Cause, reason, fact......

The thread is not about secondary blame-that is also well established. Without the maverick copper the kid would be still alive

Got me confused here. Even with the opening line in this post..... and the last line just above. I thought it was "clearly" blaming the cop..... who wasn't failing to stop, who was not fleeing the Police, who was not pissed, who was not breaking god knows what else laws of the land........

The thread is about poor police practices within Hazzard County.

Aaaahhhh... Gotcha. But many of the posts have been from people saying all is good, never had a problem. Me included, up that way. Even the ginga doesn't know I ride, so would be an easy target, IF, and it is a HUGE IF...... I was attracting attention to myself. But I wasn't....

The news article epitomises attitudes motorcyclists like myself face, attitudes that have brought the ATNR to its knees long after participants behaved themselves and created an atmosphere of deep mistrust.

This is the same rides where wheelies, huge speeds and overall dick riding was the primary attractant in the first place? And they kept on coming, again.... and again..... and again......?

.... at least have the balls to stick up for your fellow motorcyclist who are being unlawfully targeted.

Unlawfully targetted? Regular ticketing and the usual bleating following about said ticketing seems to tell another story. But I digress....


.... their attitude in threatening to add more charges if I ever politely contest the current charge is quite disturbing.

agreed.

There was the night last year (summer I think, around october?) that they had a total of 8+ police officers form a roadblock/checkpoint at the end of peak road. they had an unmarked 'sweeper' vehicle riding in our ride in the same direction, basically anyone who passed him etc..

And NONE of these passing bikes noticed the disco lights in the dash/rear parcel shelf, the extra aerials, the snake skin, the radar antenna or the readout display????:shit:

...... Harrassment no doubt.


Yup harassment-no question.

Paranoia perhaps?

Rocket science and not attracting attention to oneself is difficult to some....

[Patrick]

....Without the maverick copper the kid would be still alive



Hmmm... Maybe. And maybe he would have slammed into a family on an outing, wiping them all off the face of the earth. And it became known that the Police tried to stop him earlier, but "gave up" because it was too hard. The headlines would be quite nice viewing, I guess ... :shutup:

[scumdog]

Fuck that I like it here.

If its paranoia then it affects a few people.

It seems to be only those that live north of Cook Strait (or further) that have this paranoia.

Must be cos of the warmer climate..:shutup:

[peasea]

Good thing Chris Amon, Scott Dixon and countless others didn't know that......

Quite right. Ban low performance drivers, not high performance cars.

Same goes for bikes and riders; in fact, especially so.

[peasea]

It seems to be only those that live north of Cook Strait (or further) that have this paranoia.

Must be cos of the warmer climate..:shutup:

I'd disagree, if only for the fun of it.

[peasea]

always [/I]know better.

C'mon now, you're just funning us with that one, right?

[NinjaNanna]

If you're being targeted stop wearing that distinctive jacket of yours and get a new license plate, would fix the problem in a jiffy, you'd be just another gixer after that.

Yes, I know not the point!

[SixPackBack]

...........................Paranoia perhaps?

Rocket science and not attracting attention to oneself is difficult to some.................

Why is it so difficult for you to accept an issue exists?...........Would you take the thread seriously if I was a copper?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Absolutley. The report leaves no doubt that had the officer behaved a little less zealously the result could have been licence loss and lesson learnt, as it is the immaturity of the 18 year old Subaru driver was matched with the immaturity of the copper, and that attitude is far too prevalent within the Police force in Hazzard.


I read this and the first person i thought of was ginga as he gets a bit between his teeth and won't let it go. Who would agree with me on that one. I was going to put a poll up but you know me couldn't be assed.

[Grahameeboy]

More from the article.................................
The authority found a number of breaches of police policy by the pursuing officer.
Before starting the pursuit he had no legal justification for exceeding the limit, and when he did start to pursue, he did not inform the communications centre as he was required to, so the centre could form an independent view of the risks and determine whether the pursuit should continue, the authority report says.
Having abandoned the pursuit, the officer should not have restarted without authorisation from the centre, and having recommenced it, he should have abandoned it when the Subaru’s driving became too dangerous.
"When the Subaru overtook the first vehicle, the risks posed by the pursuit outweighed the need to immediately apprehend the driver," authority chairwoman Justice Lowell Goddard said.
"At that point, the pursuit should have been abandoned."
The officer also acted inappropriately by driving through the crash scene, the report says.

Read: The officer ignored protocol and continued pursuing an inexperienced driver until he crashed. Had he called off the pursuit [as the Comms. centre would have recommended] the young man would undoubtedly still be alive.

You might wonder why I am fired up about this case. I know the young mans mother and have met her at several functions, she is not the same person pre accident...not the same at all!.......she has an over zealous officer to thank for what is close to the man slaughter of her sons death, and from experience her life will be that much poorer for ever more without the presence of her son.

There are 2 issues here.

I think that police pursuits are riddled with obvious issues. Watched the UK Cop TV on Sky and after 4 miles the cops gave up the pursuit because it was too dangerous and just tried to find him which they did later.

Yes the cop may have been guilty of not following protocol, however, back to the old argument that if Jamie had not done a runner in the first place he would still be alive i.e. stopped when required to do so by the cop...he took a chance...17 year old in a Subaru overtaking cars...at some point he must have realised that he could have an accident etc etc...

My view is that the cop was not responsible for Jamie's death...he did a bad job but like I said we hold our own destiny in our own hands and we make choices that affect our own lives.

You are close to this Sixbelly and I understand how you feel, however, who allowed Jamie to drive a fast car? Responsibility goes all ways here...

And sorry but the Father thinking about a private prosecution...why? If the cop had stopped would Jamie have stopped...who knows...maybe he feels guilty himself..let go

[SixPackBack]

I read this and the first person i thought of was ginga as he gets a bit between his teeth and won't let it go. Who would agree with me on that one. I was going to put a poll up but you know me couldn't be assed.

............And has been caught on more than one occasion threatening, lying and behaving outside of the law.

Standard practice in Hazzard.

I notice that a couple of posts in this thread mention individuals who have been busted and have no issue, they are guilty, they got caught and they take the medicine-no problem!

The issue is when coppers break the law they swore to uphold just to secure a minor traffic conviction, and that shit happens far to regularly in Hazzard.

[SixPackBack]

If you're being targeted stop wearing that distinctive jacket of yours and get a new license plate, would fix the problem in a jiffy, you'd be just another gixer after that.

Yes, I know not the point!

The thread is not about me.

You bring up an interesting point though, and that is police targeting.

We know it happens, our on-site police have confirmed it on more than one occasion.

But what is targeting?

Who decides who or what to target?
How fair is the process?
How transparent is the process?
Is it even legal?
How much abuse from the police does the targeting system encounter?
The police put themselves on a pedestal with this one; no question!
If change was to be truly effective a swing back to 'community policing' where actions are transparent on all sides, and an old fashioned 'polite word' kept all parties on side. Rather than the present system that breeds nothing but utter contempt and revulsion for police practice.

[Grahameeboy]

............And has been caught on more than one occasion threatening, lying and behaving outside of the law.

Standard practice in Hazzard.

I notice that a couple of posts in this thread mention individuals who have been busted and have no issue, they are guilty, they got caught and they take the medicine-no problem!

The issue is when coppers break the law they swore to uphold just to secure a minor traffic conviction, and that shit happens far to regularly in Hazzard.

I agree...every day I see some awful stuff on the roads..blatant red light jumping etc..yesterday for eg, in Devonport, was going along road...o/c car turns right into a drive...he is then hidden by a parked van...he then reverses straight across the road...so he had no view...into my path...I don't normally do this but I stopped across his car..he rants..drives around me and goes the way I was going so I follow and go along side as he stopps...turns out he was going to ferry and forgot something etc..just took his number and told him I would report....

So I agree that over empathsis on speed is frustrating when NZ stats show speed is not main factor..

[NDORFN]

As far as Dixon, Amon etc... go. THEY LEARNT TO RACE ON THE TRACK! Dixon was racing karts LONG before he was old enough to drive. So NO, it wouldn't make an iota of difference to the NZ motor-racing talent if we banned high-performance cars to young drivers.

[Morcs]

Paranoia perhaps?

Rocket science and not attracting attention to oneself is difficult to some....

I sat behind the cop car for a good 4 minutes sussing it out. Even as I cruised past it I had a bloody good look and was content that it wasnt cops...

[Hinny]

I just discovered something that may cast some light on the behaviour of the ATNR nemesis and why so many seem to find his behaviour so 'Alien'.

'The Ginga
Photo of Ginga in the clean room.
Astro-C, renamed Ginga (Japanese for 'galaxy'), was launched from the Kagoshima Space Center on 5 February 1987.
Ginga re-entered the Earth's atmosphere on 1 November 1991.'

Nearly 5 years alone in the weightless of space has got to have affected his behavioural temporal lobes.

The definition of Ginga is also insightful.

'gingas are people suffering from the incurable disease known as 'gingervitis', they have orange hair, light skin and freckles.
They are known as: Coppertops, Fantapants, Gingarians, Ginger Ninja, Rusty Crotch, Copper Knobs, and my personal favourite, Road Cones.
It is highly recommended that you DO NOT bring any flammable material around them if you value your life!

steve: i think i can take him.
steven: careful man, he's got gingervitis you might get burnt or he'll go raging ginga on your ass. i love you man.
steve: i love you too.'

[scumdog]

So I agree that over empathsis on speed is frustrating when NZ stats show speed is not main factor..

Yeah, hell, I bet those three guys in Invercargill died in the Honda on Friday morning without speed of any sort being involved, speed doesn't kill, all Kbers know THAT....

[Usarka]

Yeah, hell, I bet those three guys in Invercargill died in the Honda on Friday morning without speed of any sort being involved, speed doesn't kill, all Kbers know THAT....

Without speed you can't get anywhere either..... :scooter:

[SixPackBack]

Yeah, hell, I bet those three guys in Invercargill died in the Honda on Friday morning without speed of any sort being involved, speed doesn't kill, all Kbers know THAT....

Simplistic crash scene investigation NZ styles.....Motorist was travelling faster than the posted speed limit *case closed*. And the coppers wonder why we point the chicken bone at them and laugh!

[scumdog]

Simplistic crash scene investigation NZ styles.....Motorist was travelling faster than the posted speed limit *case closed*. And the coppers wonder why we point the chicken bone at them and laugh!



Yeah, why worry who was actually driving, whether they (or anybody) had been drinking or whether the car had unsafe modifications, mechanical problems or whatever, who needs to know that......they're all dead anyway eh..:whistle:

[Dare]

Yeah, hell, I bet those three guys in Invercargill died in the Honda on Friday morning without speed of any sort being involved, speed doesn't kill, all Kbers know THAT....

I see far more near misses on high ways from people changing lanes without indicating/looking and following ~5m behind at 100+ k's than I have from people doing 120... And yet I don't remember the last time I saw an advert damning that kind of behaviour... IMO red/green light jumpers are worst, it's a matter of time before the twain meet at 90 degrees.

In my experience blame is not a useful concept, better is what can be done to prevent this in future. And if the answer is breathalyzers attached to the ignition and power/weight laws for age groups you can hardly blame law enforcers for suggesting that.

Personally I think forget paying the government every few months to 'remember' you own a car, every 5 years you should be made to retake your test, and advanced driving/riding courses should be enforced not just encouraged. This comes from someone who did that 'reduce your restricted' course and found it pretty lacking. There is a reason other countries make it much tougher to pass licences, and as a result they get to have higher speed limits, funny that...

Anyway back to topic, something I heard seems poignant... Oh yes.
Well it wasn't me say the boy with the gun
sure i pulled the trigger but it needed to be done
because life's been killin' me ever since it begun
you cant blame me cause i'm too young
You cant blame me, sure the killer was my son
but I didn't teach him to pull the trigger of the gun
It's the killing on his TV screen
You can't blame me, it's those images he sees
You can't blame me says the media man
Well I wasn't the one that came up with the plan
and I just point my camera what the people wanna see
man it's a two way mirror and you can't blame me
You can't blame me says the singer of the song
or the maker of the movie which he bases life on
It's only entertainment and as anyone can see
its smoke machine's a make-up, man you can't fool me
It was you
it was me
it was every man
We all got the blood on our hands

[SixPackBack]

I see far more near misses on high ways from people changing lanes without indicating/looking and following ~5m behind at 100+ k's than I have from people doing 120... And yet I don't remember the last time I saw an advert damning that kind of behaviour... IMO red/green light jumpers are worst, it's a matter of time before the twain meet at 90 degrees.

In my experience blame is not a useful concept, better is what can be done to prevent this in future. And if the answer is breathalyzers attached to the ignition and power/weight laws for age groups you can hardly blame law enforcers for suggesting that.

Personally I think forget paying the government every few months to 'remember' you own a car, every 5 years you should be made to retake your test, and advanced driving/riding courses should be enforced not just encouraged. This comes from someone who did that 'reduce your restricted' course and found it pretty lacking. There is a reason other countries make it much tougher to pass licences, and as a result they get to have higher speed limits, funny that...

Anyway back to topic, something I heard seems poignant... Oh yes.
Well it wasn't me say the boy with the gun
sure i pulled the trigger but it needed to be done
because life's been killin' me ever since it begun
you cant blame me cause i'm too young
You cant blame me, sure the killer was my son
but I didn't teach him to pull the trigger of the gun
It's the killing on his TV screen
You can't blame me, it's those images he sees
You can't blame me says the media man
Well I wasn't the one that came up with the plan
and I just point my camera what the people wanna see
man it's a two way mirror and you can't blame me
You can't blame me says the singer of the song
or the maker of the movie which he bases life on
It's only entertainment and as anyone can see
its smoke machine's a make-up, man you can't fool me
It was you
it was me
it was every man
We all got the blood on our hands

Forget that. BRONZ has advocated a higher level of rider training for motorists and effectively been stone walled for their efforts.

.......FWIW I agree ALL motorcyclists should have rider training and track time.

[peasea]

Better get the cops some driver training too.

Scumbags think they're above the law!

Discharge indeed, take the medicine like the rest of us.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/2565563/Cop-seeks-discharge

[Dare]

Better get the cops some driver training too.

Hehehehe. The fun starts at 25 seconds.
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[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, hell, I bet those three guys in Invercargill died in the Honda on Friday morning without speed of any sort being involved, speed doesn't kill, all Kbers know THAT....

You know what I mean...I was doing some research on Stats NZ and speed was low down as the main factor....I am still alive so speed doesn't always kill.....smoking kills but the Govt just give you a warning...not a ticket...;)

[scumdog]

l.....smoking kills but the Govt just give you a warning...not a ticket...;)

And look how much notice people take of THOSE warnings...:argh:

[Grahameeboy]

And look how much notice people take of THOSE warnings...:argh:
I knew you would come back....:rockon:.....speed will always be a big debate eh?

[scumdog]

I knew you would come back....:rockon:.....speed will always be a big debate eh?

Hell yeah!!

I don't care if you speed, however fast - just don't moan about the consequences - especially if it's a speeding ticket..;)

[Grahameeboy]

Hell yeah!!

I don't care if you speed, however fast - just don't moan about the consequences - especially if it's a speeding ticket..;)

Nop..it's a bugger as I am on 70 points again but it's not the end of the world....just get a limited licence....but I just love my bike....guess it just gets me away from the hidden pain.

[SixPackBack]

..........Simplistic attitudes, no logic applies.
Policeman? nope glorified taxman!

[scumdog]

..........Simplistic attitudes, no logic applies.
Policeman? nope glorified taxman!

And I haven't paid any of said 'tax' in over 20 years, some of us learn that you CAN avoid the 'tax'.:yes:

But some learn nothing from past experience and would pee on a live electric fence more than once too..:pinch::whistle:

Those are the ones paying my share of this mythical 'tax'.:devil2::woohoo:

[SixPackBack]

And I haven't paid any of said 'tax' in over 20 years, some of us learn that you CAN avoid the 'tax'.:yes:

But some learn nothing from past experience and would pee on a live electric fence more than once too..:pinch::whistle:

Those are the ones paying my share of this mythical 'tax'.:devil2::woohoo:

Hahaha good one scumdog, nothing wrong with your sense of humour or level of delusion.
Not with standing targeting and Hazzard county [the well established liars and law breakers, getaconviction at any cost officers]........old harley riders with a police position can only only be viewed cynically as 'avoiders'.

[Hinny]

But some learn nothing from past experience and would pee on a live electric fence more than once too..:pinch::whistle:

Mythbusters reckon that wasn't a problem.
I'm not going to check but maybe you could verify that it is not a flash thing to do.
Report back!

[Dare]

Mythbusters reckon that wasn't a problem.
I'm not going to check but maybe you could verify that it is not a flash thing to do.
Report back!

They didnt have a constant stream, it was all broken up. Doing it wrong!
Plus it was from like 5 feet away.

[Hinny]

They didnt have a constant stream, it was all broken up. Doing it wrong!
Plus it was from like 5 feet away.

Can you report back at what distance it becomes a problem?

[Dare]

Can you report back at what distance it becomes a problem?
Never really felt the urge to try it, but i'd think anything less than a meter and your risking it :crazy:

[The Stranger]

They didnt have a constant stream, it was all broken up. Doing it wrong!
Plus it was from like 5 feet away.

Say, who's the hot chick in your avatar?

[Dare]

Say, who's the hot chick in your avatar?

Baha, you might want to have your eyes checked...

[Patrick]

Rocket science and not attracting attention to oneself is difficult to some....


Why is it so difficult for you to accept an issue exists?...........Would you take the thread seriously if I was a copper?

I was taking it seriously. Re read the above posted comment of mine, now pretend I am NOT a copper. You understand now????

If tickets flow from piss poor riding behaviours, then yeah, expect attention.


The thread is not about me.

You bring up an interesting point though, and that is police targeting.

We know it happens, our on-site police have confirmed it on more than one occasion.

But what is targeting?

Who decides who or what to target?
How fair is the process?
How transparent is the process?
Is it even legal?
How much abuse from the police does the targeting system encounter?
The police put themselves on a pedestal with this one; no question!
If change was to be truly effective a swing back to 'community policing' where actions are transparent on all sides, and an old fashioned 'polite word' kept all parties on side. Rather than the present system that breeds nothing but utter contempt and revulsion for police practice.

Police targeting..... Ummm... Drunk or drugged drivers. Speed. Seatbelts. Dangerous/Reckless drivers/boy racers etc. Yep - targeting. What do you expect?

Its already in the road code, Land Transport Act, Traffic Regulations just to name a few. There to be seen and read. Totally transparent. The bosses say lets stop the carnage on the roads by targeting. And there is a problem with that..... somehow.....


Better get the cops some driver training too.

Scumbags think they're above the law!

Discharge indeed, take the medicine like the rest of us.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/2565563/Cop-seeks-discharge

Yeah.... coz cops aren't allowed to be discharged without conviction or receive diversion..... just like every one else......??? Pffttt

[Hinny]

I have seen bad driving from only two people while on an ATNR ride.
One was some guy who seemed to have a beef with the riders and drove his Landcruiser down the middle of the road at 45kph.
The other was the ATNR nemesis who I have seen driving really recklessly on three occassions now. Once chasing a vehicle, without his flashing lights on, sliding into a roundabout. The other two occassions - driving quickly up behind riders and then following really closely.

[Swoop]

How does an 18 year old afford a Subaru like that?

Daddy?

The Genie (http://www.gemoney.co.nz/en/)?

[The Stranger]

I have seen bad driving from only two people while on an ATNR ride.
One was some guy who seemed to have a beef with the riders and drove his Landcruiser down the middle of the road at 45kph.
The other was the ATNR nemesis who I have seen driving really recklessly on three occassions now. Once chasing a vehicle, without his flashing lights on, sliding into a roundabout. The other two occassions - driving quickly up behind riders and then following really closely.

Come on hinny.
You are not a cop so you obviously made this up.
Only cops are capable of telling the truth, everyone else is a liar.

[Patrick]

I have seen bad driving from only two people while on an ATNR ride.
One was some guy who seemed to have a beef with the riders and drove his Landcruiser down the middle of the road at 45kph.
The other was the ATNR nemesis who I have seen driving really recklessly on three occassions now. Once chasing a vehicle, without his flashing lights on, sliding into a roundabout. The other two occassions - driving quickly up behind riders and then following really closely.

So how many complaints have you made... ?

Do nothing, get nothing.

[SixPackBack]

I was taking it seriously. Re read the above posted comment of mine, now pretend I am NOT a copper. You understand now????

If tickets flow from piss poor riding behaviours, then yeah, expect attention.

And if they flow from piss poor policing?



Police targeting..... Ummm... Drunk or drugged drivers. Speed. Seatbelts. Dangerous/Reckless drivers/boy racers etc. Yep - targeting. What do you expect?

Its already in the road code, Land Transport Act, Traffic Regulations just to name a few. There to be seen and read. Totally transparent. The bosses say lets stop the carnage on the roads by targeting. And there is a problem with that..... somehow.....

Target individuals without metrics to back up erroneous beliefs is what we are talking about here Patrick.

Yeah.... coz cops aren't allowed to be discharged without conviction or receive diversion..... just like every one else......??? Pffttt

Questionably the worst offender on the ATNR has come out and stated that a fair cop will be accepted with little complaint.

You fail to accept issues exist within Hazzard Patrick, why? the front page article is a good example of piss poor policing and a few examples have been provided for you within this thread. Good chance many folk would not come forward for fear of reprisal.

[SixPackBack]

Come on hinny.
You are not a cop so you obviously made this up.
Only cops are capable of telling the truth, everyone else is a liar.

This what its really about Patrick.

[Patrick]

Questionably the worst offender on the ATNR has come out and stated that a fair cop will be accepted with little complaint.

You fail to accept issues exist within Hazzard Patrick, why? the front page article is a good example of piss poor policing and a few examples have been provided for you within this thread. Good chance many folk would not come forward for fear of reprisal.

Can't always believe what one might read on a local rag paper, let alone the national one..... but hey, I am stirring, just a little... and the examples in threads sound like a problem. But if it is accepted and nothing is done, then it isn't a problem.... you follow what I am saying?

Fear of reprisal? If complaints are regular, thick and fast from multiple sources, reprisals from who? He won't be out there....

If the drunken ramblings of one is good enough to put some off the road for 15 months til it gets sorted, imagine what would happen from independant multiple complaints from sober folk against the same person....

[Patrick]

This what its really about Patrick.

Never a truer word.... in my case.;) The Stranger spotted it nicely.....

[SixPackBack]

Can't always believe what one might read on a local rag paper, let alone the national one..... but hey, I am stirring, just a little... and the examples in threads sound like a problem. But if it is accepted and nothing is done, then it isn't a problem.... you follow what I am saying?

Fear of reprisal? If complaints are regular, thick and fast from multiple sources, reprisals from who? He won't be out there....

If the drunken ramblings of one is good enough to put some off the road for 15 months til it gets sorted, imagine what would happen from independant multiple complaints from sober folk against the same person....

Your cynicism for there actually being a problem, is matched by my cynicism that complaining would make any difference.

[NinjaNanna]

Your cynicism for there actually being a problem, is matched by my cynicism that complaining would make any difference.


Dude - I thought he was being genuine - what makes you believe he's being facetious?

[Patrick]

Dude - I thought he was being genuine - what makes you believe he's being facetious?



If the drunken ramblings of one is good enough to put some off the road for 15 months til it gets sorted, imagine what would happen from independant multiple complaints from sober folk against the same person....

Thanks Ninja...

I re-posted the part that is genuine fact..........................

[jono035]

So intoxicated fuckwit drivers should be given free range to what ever they want? Sounds rational.

The message being is drink, drive, kill someone, not your fault, but that cop who had the gaul to thinks of stopping you, and didnt follow to the exact letter, the pursuit policy, totally to blame...... I think he should at least loose his job, I mean what was he thinking.......

Look up straw-man on wikipedia. The argument IS NOT that such drivers be given free reign. Get a grip.

[SixPackBack]

Dude - I thought he was being genuine - what makes you believe he's being facetious?

My reaction is no reflection on Patrick-he seems like a genuine kiwi good bugger...

Hazzard county coppers however have high level officers who have little issue with running maverick operations that includes blatant law breaking and fact fabrication to get a conviction.......I can personally attest to this one more than one occasion.

[scumdog]

SackPickBack for Commisioner:woohoo:

He'll know what to do!!

[Hinny]

Bob Dylan for President.

[SixPackBack]

SackPickBack for Commisioner:woohoo:

He'll know what to do!!

Having never been involved with gang raping teenagers I could not apply;)

[Kickaha]

Having never been involved with gang raping teenagers I could not apply;)

On the job training, I am sure you'll pick it up as you go

[KrazyGixxerBoy]

Couple of year ago I'm cruising along not far from the Byrderwn turn off when I see flashing lights in the distance.
I pull over take my lid off an wait for the inevitable,,,I'd been sitting on about 135kph.
The cop comes over say's "good morning" an asks to see my licence.
He tells me he clocked me at 125km and then asks if I'd like to see the Radar.
I say "no thanks I know what I was doing" so he asks me to wait while he checks me details and goes back to the car to do so.
After a couple of minites he comes back ticket book in hand,an hands me a ticket for 115 in a 100 zone.
I look at it,an say fair enough mate,see ya' late,,,he say's "take it easy from here alright " an we both go our own ways.

Right nazi he was<_<,,,,,,:laugh:

Far out, sounds like you guys have all the luck. Last time I got done it was for 60 in a 50 km zone at 4am in the morning. The only other person on the road was the cop who gave me the ticket!! Previously, 62 in a 50km zone after overtaking a granny doing 30km. A quick speed up and overtake then pull in and slow back down. didn't even see the cop coming the other way! To make matters worse, he even said that by the time he had turned around to follow me I was sitting on 53!!! Still gave me a ticket....and demerits....

[Morcs]

Far out, sounds like you guys have all the luck. Last time I got done it was for 60 in a 50 km zone at 4am in the morning. The only other person on the road was the cop who gave me the ticket!! Previously, 62 in a 50km zone after overtaking a granny doing 30km. A quick speed up and overtake then pull in and slow back down. didn't even see the cop coming the other way! To make matters worse, he even said that by the time he had turned around to follow me I was sitting on 53!!! Still gave me a ticket....and demerits....

You should hear my record ;)

[NDORFN]

Far out, sounds like you guys have all the luck. Last time I got done it was for 60 in a 50 km zone at 4am in the morning. The only other person on the road was the cop who gave me the ticket!! Previously, 62 in a 50km zone after overtaking a granny doing 30km. A quick speed up and overtake then pull in and slow back down. didn't even see the cop coming the other way! To make matters worse, he even said that by the time he had turned around to follow me I was sitting on 53!!! Still gave me a ticket....and demerits....

That is EXACTLY the kind of shit they need to stop. That's where a HUGE amount of revenue is coming from... how many people do you know that HAVEN'T been ticketed under similar circumstances. It's a fucking disgrace.

[klingon]

That is EXACTLY the kind of shit they need to stop. That's where a HUGE amount of revenue is coming from... how many people do you know that HAVEN'T been ticketed under similar circumstances. It's a fucking disgrace.

*Waves hand* Me! I've never got a ticket! :Oops: Must be doing something wrong (maybe riding a Volty has something to do with it).

[SixPackBack]

Far out, sounds like you guys have all the luck. Last time I got done it was for 60 in a 50 km zone at 4am in the morning. The only other person on the road was the cop who gave me the ticket!! Previously, 62 in a 50km zone after overtaking a granny doing 30km. A quick speed up and overtake then pull in and slow back down. didn't even see the cop coming the other way! To make matters worse, he even said that by the time he had turned around to follow me I was sitting on 53!!! Still gave me a ticket....and demerits....

Dangerous criminals like yourself should be permanently banned:whistle:

............And when this happens to you?

Will you slow down in future?.......nope! more likely to buy a radar detector and start developing a bad attitude towards the coppers-the guys that are supposed to be on our side.
Can you dispute the ticket?.....BAHAHAHA......nope! neither a lawyer nor judge would care, and the cost of defence would far out way the ticket cost. Tickets of this nature are tax, plain and simple.
Have you learnt a lesson?..........Coppers behave like the highway men of old, stopping travellers and taking money. They support a corrupt court system that does not effectively allow ticket recipients the ability to question both the validity of the charge and the logic of ticketing [in this case] someone travelling slightly over the limit on a deserted road. The motorist has indeed learnt several important lessons. The government is corrupt, ticketing officers are drones without a single functioning neuron, ticketing in this context is tax.
The government and police continues this brainless game at its peril.

[gwigs]

Dangerous criminals like yourself should be permanently banned:whistle:

............And when this happens to you?

Will you slow down in future?.......nope! more likely to buy a radar detector and start developing a bad attitude towards the coppers-the guys that are supposed to be on our side.
Can you dispute the ticket?.....BAHAHAHA......nope! neither a lawyer nor judge would care, and the cost of defence would far out way the ticket cost. Tickets of this nature are tax, plain and simple.
Have you learnt a lesson?..........Coppers behave like the highway men of old, stopping travellers and taking money. They support a corrupt court system that does not effectively allow ticket recipients the ability to question both the validity of the charge and the logic of ticketing [in this case] someone travelling slightly over the limit on a deserted road. The motorist has indeed learnt several important lessons. The government is corrupt, ticketing officers are drones without a single functioning neuron, ticketing in this context is tax.
The government and police continues this brainless game at its peril.

Well said Sixpack.....:2thumbsup

[Patrick]

You should hear my record ;)

Is it a broken one?

[Patrick]

Dangerous criminals like yourself should be permanently banned:whistle:

............And when this happens to you?

Will you slow down in future?.......nope! more likely to buy a radar detector and start developing a bad attitude towards the coppers-the guys that are supposed to be on our side.
Can you dispute the ticket?.....BAHAHAHA......nope! neither a lawyer nor judge would care, and the cost of defence would far out way the ticket cost. Tickets of this nature are tax, plain and simple.
Have you learnt a lesson?..........Coppers behave like the highway men of old, stopping travellers and taking money. They support a corrupt court system that does not effectively allow ticket recipients the ability to question both the validity of the charge and the logic of ticketing [in this case] someone travelling slightly over the limit on a deserted road. The motorist has indeed learnt several important lessons. The government is corrupt, ticketing officers are drones without a single functioning neuron, ticketing in this context is tax.
The government and police continues this brainless game at its peril.

I slowed down. I didn't get a radar detector. I didn't develop a bad attitude. You can dispute a ticket, if there are grounds for disputing it, like, say for example... ummm... I wasn't speeding? Not "I was speeding, but hey, its the coppers fault...."

If tickets are a tax, why are there so many willing to break the rules to pay it?

Cops being like highway men... I like that. Taking from the dumb to give to the dumber. Kinda like Robin Hood, you mean?

You speak of logic.... The speed limit signs are logical.... Ignore them if you wish, you aren't alone.... The logic of ticketing is simple too. Ticket? Or ignore, therefore encouraging the problem?

Verbal warnings do not work. Electronic ticketing is on its way and apparently it can record warnings as well. That will catch out those who say, "I haven't had a ticket in 20 years..." A check will show that is right, but in the last year he/she received 27 warnings for the same thing... Time will tell.

[gwigs]

I slowed down. I didn't get a radar detector. I didn't develop a bad attitude. You can dispute a ticket, if there are grounds for disputing it, like, say for example... ummm... I wasn't speeding? Not "I was speeding, but hey, its the coppers fault...."

If tickets are a tax, why are there so many willing to break the rules to pay it?

Cops being like highway men... I like that. Taking from the dumb to give to the dumber. Kinda like Robin Hood, you mean?

You speak of logic.... The speed limit signs are logical.... Ignore them if you wish, you aren't alone.... The logic of ticketing is simple too. Ticket? Or ignore, therefore encouraging the problem?

Verbal warnings do not work. Electronic ticketing is on its way and apparently it can record warnings as well. That will catch out those who say, "I haven't had a ticket in 20 years..." A check will show that is right, but in the last year he/she received 27 warnings for the same thing... Time will tell.

Ever thought about becoming a cop..:whistle:

[NinjaNanna]

Electronic ticketing is on its way and apparently it can record warnings as well. That will catch out those who say, "I haven't had a ticket in 20 years..." A check will show that is right, but in the last year he/she received 27 warnings for the same thing... Time will tell.

Awesome bring it on I say! I suspect that if the warnings are recorded one might be more inclinied to give them out.

[SixPackBack]

I slowed down. I didn't get a radar detector. I didn't develop a bad attitude. You can dispute a ticket, if there are grounds for disputing it, like, say for example... ummm... I wasn't speeding? Not "I was speeding, but hey, its the coppers fault...."

Your taking the piss Patrick

If tickets are a tax, why are there so many willing to break the rules to pay it?

Um....maybe the law is an arse and consequently ignored, maybe to many coppers justifying there own existence by ticketing clean skins.....

Cops being like highway men... I like that. Taking from the dumb to give to the dumber. Kinda like Robin Hood, you mean?

I was thinking more like a state sponsored gang of thieves

You speak of logic.... The speed limit signs are logical.... Ignore them if you wish, you aren't alone.... The logic of ticketing is simple too. Ticket? Or ignore, therefore encouraging the problem?

They are anything but logical. Imposed totalitarian instruction more like, designed to create confusion and strip cash. Do you ever stop to question if the law you uphold has any relevance? It seems to me police blindly accept everything told to them by the government, and impose law regardless of their acceptance to it.

Verbal warnings do not work. Electronic ticketing is on its way and apparently it can record warnings as well. That will catch out those who say, "I haven't had a ticket in 20 years..." A check will show that is right, but in the last year he/she received 27 warnings for the same thing... Time will tell.

Indeed. Future generations will look back at this period of traffic enforcement as we look back on 18th century Britain, where the speed limit was 6mph and an individual was required to walk in front of the vehicle. I.E archaic!

[scumdog]

Indeed. Future generations will look back at this period of traffic enforcement as we look back on 18th century Britain, where the speed limit was 6mph and an individual was required to walk in front of the vehicle. I.E archaic!

Pfft, cops, speeding, tickets? - I've other worries in life that affect my more.:weep:

[scumdog]

............And when this happens to you?

Will you slow down in future?.......nope! more likely to buy a radar detector and start developing a bad attitude towards the coppers-the guys that are supposed to be on our side.
Can you dispute the ticket?.....BAHAHAHA......nope! neither a lawyer nor judge would care, and the cost of defence would far out way the ticket cost. Tickets of this nature are tax, plain and simple.
Have you learnt a lesson?..........Coppers behave like the highway men of old, stopping travellers and taking money. They support a corrupt court system that does not effectively allow ticket recipients the ability to question both the validity of the charge and the logic of ticketing [in this case] someone travelling slightly over the limit on a deserted road. The motorist has indeed learnt several important lessons. The government is corrupt, ticketing officers are drones without a single functioning neuron, ticketing in this context is tax.
The government and police continues this brainless game at its peril.

Waaa fest, who cares?
-life is too short, move on, find something worth the effort matey.

If the speed limit was 300kph there would STILL be people that thought as per SixPackBack above.

[SixPackBack]

Pfft, cops, speeding, tickets? - I've other worries in life that affect my more.:weep:

..............Sez the copper!

[SixPackBack]

Waaa fest, who cares?
-life is too short, move on, find something worth the effort matey.

If the speed limit was 300kph there would STILL be people that thought as per SixPackBack above.

Piss poor rebuttal scumdog.

A lot of KB members do care about dodgy coppers, inappropriate ticketing etc.

And thought what?.... that the law does not work?......stopping errant clean skins just over the speed limit[lets keep some context here] does not work?.....I could go on, but the message is largely lost on yourself.

An interesting aside to speeding is the wide spread habit of officers warning other officers of checkpoints, speed cameras etc. Tell me that does not happen with monotonous regularity scumdog? Kind of difficult for officers to point the chicken bone when the game is not played on an equal footing huh?

[Mom]

Piss poor rebuttal scumdog.

You know something though SPB, scumdog lives in a much quieter part of the country than us. It would be fair to suggest that he actually does not know about what you are talking about here.

And it does happen, there are double standards. Fortunately for us they are very isolated, but there is no doubt Hazzard County has its share of the element that are being defended by our illustrious scummy.

Disclaimer: I deserved the one ticket for speeding I received in Hazzard County, no doubt about it, the other one was a simple quota fill by a very industrious plod down Te Kauwhata way, then again I probably should not complain 113kph in a 100, while overtaking a truck on a passing lane is very naughty, I should in fact be dead, I was going faster than 100kph and speed kills :yes:

[scumdog]

Piss poor rebuttal scumdog.

A lot of KB members do care about dodgy coppers, inappropriate ticketing etc.

And thought what?.... that the law does not work?......stopping errant clean skins just over the speed limit[lets keep some context here] does not work?.....I could go on, but the message is largely lost on yourself.

An interesting aside to speeding is the wide spread habit of officers warning other officers of checkpoints, speed cameras etc. Tell me that does not happen with monotonous regularity scumdog? Kind of difficult for officers to point the chicken bone when the game is not played on an equal footing huh?


Man, you must live in a crappy part of the country.

I might just change my location to 'Utter Paradise':2thumbsup

[hospitalfood]

i was riding along on on SH1 through the dome valley and blow me down if this cop who i passed at 145 km/h doesn't pull me over, ticket me and take my licence.

i thought he was a right rude cunt.
he was dead serious about it to, no sense of humor.

[SixPackBack]

Man, you must live in a crappy part of the country.

I might just change my location to 'Utter Paradise':2thumbsup

An interesting aside to speeding is the wide spread habit of officers warning other officers of checkpoints, speed cameras etc. Tell me that does not happen with monotonous regularity scumdog? Kind of difficult for officers to point the chicken bone when the game is not played on an equal footing huh?

You going to comment on this scumdog?

[scumdog]

An interesting aside to speeding is the wide spread habit of officers warning other officers of checkpoints, speed cameras etc. Tell me that does not happen with monotonous regularity scumdog? Kind of difficult for officers to point the chicken bone when the game is not played on an equal footing huh?

You going to comment on this scumdog?

Yes!

Let me put it this way - the first time I hear of officers warning/being warned about checkpoints I'll let you know, honest.

I have never ever heard of it until you mentoned such a thing.:oi-grr:

Monotonous regularity you say?
I ask you to prove such.

And speed camera vans? No warning needed and anyway they log on with Comms and give their location so no warning needed...

[SixPackBack]

Yes!

Let me put it this way - the first time I hear of officers warning/being warned about checkpoints I'll let you know, honest.

I have never ever heard of it until to mentoned such a thing.:oi-grr:

Monotonous regularity you say?
I ask you to prove such.

And speed camera vans? No warning needed and anyway they log on with Comms and give their location so no warning needed...

I accept your assertion, accept mine!.....of the 1/2 dozen or so coppers known to me ALL warn freinds, family etc.

[scumdog]

I accept your assertion, accept mine!.....of the 1/2 dozen or so coppers known to me ALL warn freinds, family etc.



I wish they had warned me - I've been pulled up four times now for breath test check-points.

But then not riding pissed makes it no worry.

So why would these other cops need warned ??:scratch:

[SixPackBack]

I wish they had warned me - I've been pulled up four times now for breath test check-points.

But then not riding pissed makes it no worry.

So why would these other cops need warned ??:scratch:

The answer is obvious scumdog.

[scumdog]

The answer is obvious scumdog.

C'mon big boy, say it....:whistle:

[Hinny]

i was riding along on on SH1 through the dome valley and blow me down if this cop who i passed at 145 km/h doesn't pull me over, ticket me and take my licence.

i thought he was a right rude cunt.
he was dead serious about it to, no sense of humor.

145 eh?
That makes 5 out of 8 people now, I know, who have lost their licence for speeding at 147
A bit of the pace there matey.

[jonbuoy]

So to avoid being caught all you have to do is pull a few dangerous driving moves and the police will call off the persuit, mmm handy for the crims know.

Don´t see how that is the policemans fault myself, if the cop himself had hit an oncoming car or crashed it would be. How are they supposed to know if its a pissed teenager or someone already wanted behind the wheel? Not nice for the parents but I would be blaming the twat who was in the drivers seat of the running car.

[Patrick]

Awesome bring it on I say! I suspect that if the warnings are recorded one might be more inclinied to give them out.

That is what its about...

But then we would be accused of not seeking revenue and quotas....:brick:


Indeed. Future generations will look back at this period of traffic enforcement as we look back on 18th century Britain, where the speed limit was 6mph and an individual was required to walk in front of the vehicle. I.E archaic!

Hah.. I like that one. That'll slow ya down... unless its the ex....:devil2:



An interesting aside to speeding is the wide spread habit of officers warning other officers of checkpoints, speed cameras etc. Tell me that does not happen with monotonous regularity scumdog? Kind of difficult for officers to point the chicken bone when the game is not played on an equal footing huh?

You going to comment on this scumdog?

I will... I will....

Never been pissed while driving, so no warning needed. I know of quite a few cops who have been pissed while driving and have been done for EBA.

Speed cameras don't know if you're a cop or not... it just takes a photo, even if it is a marked patrol. Unless you were going to a job (ie: urgent duty driving) then there is no defence and you pay the fine, just like everyone else.

And just like everyone else, if you're in your personal car, ditto... pay up like everyone else.... (or bitch and moan about it on KB?).

That reminds me.... I got pinged twice one morning going to the shop and back - never saw the prick... two tickets 8 minutes apart - bastards... waaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaah...:crybaby:

Hang on.... I paid it and got over it. Cancel that.....:niceone:


145 eh?
That makes 5 out of 8 people now, I know, who have lost their licence for speeding at 147
A bit of the pace there matey.

Only 5 out of 8? Everyone I know of doing 41 or more over the limit lost their licence...:msn-wink:


So to avoid being caught all you have to do is pull a few dangerous driving moves and the police will call off the persuit, mmm handy for the crims know.

Don´t see how that is the policemans fault myself, if the cop himself had hit an oncoming car or crashed it would be. How are they supposed to know if its a pissed teenager or someone already wanted behind the wheel? Not nice for the parents but I would be blaming the twat who was in the drivers seat of the running car.

Careful, jonbouy.... thoughts like that will have some frothing and accusing you of being a cop...:clap:

[NDORFN]

That reminds me.... I got pinged twice one morning going to the shop and back - never saw the prick... two tickets 8 minutes apart - bastards... waaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaah...:crybaby:

Hang on.... I paid it and got over it. Cancel that.....:niceone:


Yeah you deserved it you idiot. Everyone knows you don't speed in town. There are pedestrians everywhere! I hope you learned your lesson and keep your speeding to the open roads where an extra 20km isn't going to make a difference.

[PrincessBandit]

What does the percentage work out as for every speeding ticket compared to the number of times you speed and don't get caught?

I'd think that the number of tickets issued to one person is probably still way lower than the number they would have "earned" from their total number of speeding occasions (for want of a better word).

[NinjaNanna]

That reminds me.... I got pinged twice one morning going to the shop and back - never saw the prick... two tickets 8 minutes apart

That's one of the few complaints I have about cameras - in my view there should be an amnesty between the first offence and when the second offence can be issued.

My point is both patrol cars and speed cameras are meant to be about making the roads safer - right? With a patrol car you get reprimanded immediately and have the choice to correct your behavior, with speed cameras you do not - or not until the ticket is sent in the mail.

Fines are meant to be a corrective punishment - not revenue?

And no I've never been ticketed by a camera, so its not a case of sour grapes - I just think receiving multiple tickets from the same device, in a short period of time, is unfair and not in the spirit of proper policing.

[PrincessBandit]

...
And no I've never been ticketed by a camera, so its not a case of sour grapes - I just think receiving multiple tickets from the same device, in a short period of time, is unfair and not in the spirit of proper policing.

So......you are saying it's ok to continue breaking the speed limit through a particular stretch of road just because there is no camera present? Or more to the point, now you know there is a camera there will it stop you from accruing more incriminating little bits of paper?

[NinjaNanna]

So......you are saying it's ok to continue breaking the speed limit through a particular stretch of road just because there is no camera present? Or more to the point, now you know there is a camera there will it stop you from accruing more incriminating little bits of paper?

One morning at work you break the rules 3 times (maybe you were on KB when you shouldn't be); the boss has installed new monitoring software on the server that you don't know about and that afternoon drops all three written warnings on your desk and says pack your things, your fired.

IS THAT FAIR?

That's the principle I'm refering to - you knew you shouldn't be online at work but did so any way, should you be fired without the opportunity to correct your ways? No only the first warning should be counted and you probably won't break the rules again.

Punishment is about reforming behavior any other use is not appropriate in a civilised society.

[Morcs]

I had an infraction on here just like that.

I posted a big long post in big letters. As it was so long and big, It had to be split into two posts.

Yes I got two infractions. One for each post. :(

[GOONR]

That's one of the few complaints I have about cameras - in my view there should be an amnesty between the first offence and when the second offence can be issued.

I knew a barrister in the UK she got pinged by 3 camera's in the space of about 40 minutes. She got 3 lots of fines etc but took it to court, argued that it was the same journey, hadn't slowed down etc so it was one offence... She won!

I wouldn't like to try it though.

[SixPackBack]

I knew a barrister in the UK she got pinged by 3 camera's in the space of about 40 minutes. She got 3 lots of fines etc but took it to court, argued that it was the same journey, hadn't slowed down etc so it was one offence... She won!

I wouldn't like to try it though.

In our current justice system the cost of defence usually out weighs the cost of the fine [we are talking minor traffic convictions]. Therefore only a barrister or the like could undertake such action, the rest of us plebs have to take it up the jacksee....justice? like fuck!

[Hinny]

145 eh?
That makes 5 out of 8 people now, I know, who have lost their licence for speeding at 147
A bit off the pace there matey.



Only 5 out of 8? Everyone I know of doing 41 or more over the limit lost their licence...:msn-wink:

My point was that 5 of the 7 people I knew who had lost their licence were all told they were going 147kph.
No chance to view radar.
No, they weren't all riding together.
Hospitalfood was a couple of kph off the pace at 145

Hey Morcs, were any of yours for 147 ?

[SixPackBack]

That is what its about...

But then we would be accused of not seeking revenue and quotas....:brick:



Hah.. I like that one. That'll slow ya down... unless its the ex....:devil2:




I will... I will....

Never been pissed while driving, so no warning needed. I know of quite a few cops who have been pissed while driving and have been done for EBA.

That is seriously disturbing. Not only are your colleagues reckless enough to drink and drive, but given their resources are stupid enough to get caught.

Speed cameras don't know if you're a cop or not... it just takes a photo, even if it is a marked patrol. Unless you were going to a job (ie: urgent duty driving) then there is no defence and you pay the fine, just like everyone else.

And just like everyone else, if you're in your personal car, ditto... pay up like everyone else.... (or bitch and moan about it on KB?).

Scumdog has already established that speed cameras are common knowledge to the police. Therefore police getting caught by the speed cameras are of questionable intelligence.


That reminds me.... I got pinged twice one morning going to the shop and back - never saw the prick... two tickets 8 minutes apart - bastards... waaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaah...:crybaby:

Hang on.... I paid it and got over it. Cancel that.....:niceone:

Sweet. I'm happy for you. Coppers do blindly follow the law though huh?



Only 5 out of 8? Everyone I know of doing 41 or more over the limit lost their licence...:msn-wink:



Careful, jonbouy.... thoughts like that will have some frothing and accusing you of being a cop...:clap:

Patrick we have discussed several times the blame appropriation of the initial incident in the North Harbour News that started this thread. The copper in question acted in a maverick fashion ignoring protocol,his actions were heavily criticized by a much higher authority than KB. Do you behave like a maverick Patrick?

[GOONR]

In our current justice system the cost of defence usually out weighs the cost of the fine [we are talking minor traffic convictions]. Therefore only a barrister or the like could undertake such action, the rest of us plebs have to take it up the jacksee....justice? like fuck!

She obviously knew how the system works or how to work the system, take your pick. She wouldn't have had to pay hugh fees to defend herself either.

[RON SOAK]

Another shitty cop thread.....

60% are good guys generally, with the other 40% (and rising) are dickheads who shouldn't be near a uniform!

Rodney has got a good share of the dickheads, but is not alone in that regard.

with current government policies, it will, of course only get worse, so welcome to the future - blade runner aint so far away.

[scumdog]

I knew a barrister in the UK she got pinged by 3 camera's in the space of about 40 minutes. She got 3 lots of fines etc but took it to court, argued that it was the same journey, hadn't slowed down etc so it was one offence... She won!

I wouldn't like to try it though.

So the guy that gets done for EBA, is released, gets another set of keys, jumps in his car and drives off then gets pinged for EBA 1/4 an hour later (and maybe yet a third time) should only get done for the first offence then???

[scumdog]

Another shitty cop thread.....

60% are good guys generally, with the other 40% (and rising) are dickheads who shouldn't be near a uniform!

Rodney has got a good share of the dickheads, but is not alone in that regard.

with current government policies, it will, of course only get worse, so welcome to the future - blade runner aint so far away.

Wow, 60% good guys eh?

THAT is pretty heartening to know, whould have thunk we had such a large percentage of good cops, things are certainly better than I realised..:rolleyes:

[RON SOAK]

gotta be fair - by next year itll probably be 50%...and so it goes.

i dunno - I stay away from them as much as possible - not many around my neck of the scrub

[GOONR]

So the guy that gets done for EBA, is released, gets another set of keys, jumps in his car and drives off then gets pinged for EBA 1/4 an hour later (and maybe yet a third time) should only get done for the first offence then???

I'm from the UK and have never heard of "EBA" so don't exactly know what it means and right now I'm to lazy to look it up... Anyway that's not what I'm saying. 99% of people in the UK would have paid all 3 tickets, collected 3 loads of points and probably been banned, me included. She just knew there was a way round it, took it to court and won.

Personally I think if you have done something wrong then you should accept the consequences, I reckon that is the view of most people on here, even SixPackPack...

[jono035]

I'm from the UK and have never heard of "EBA" so don't exactly know what it means and right now I'm to lazy to look it up... Anyway that's not what I'm saying. 99% of people in the UK would have paid all 3 tickets, collected 3 loads of points and probably been banned, me included. She just knew there was a way round it, took it to court and won.

Personally I think if you have done something wrong then you should accept the consequences, I reckon that is the view of most people on here, even SixPackPack...

Excess Blood/Breath Alcohol possibly? (thats a WAG - wild ass guess)

[GOONR]

Excess Blood/Breath Alcohol possibly? (thats a WAG - wild ass guess)

Cheers, it's been a long day and like I said, I'm too lazy right now. Thanks :2thumbsup

EDIT: so why is it not known as DIC over here..

[GOONR]

So the guy that gets done for EBA, is released, gets another set of keys, jumps in his car and drives off then gets pinged for EBA 1/4 an hour later (and maybe yet a third time) should only get done for the first offence then???

And another thing.... That wouldn't be the same journey so no, I don't think even my barrister friend could have got away with that one.

[scumdog]

Cheers, it's been a long day and like I said, I'm too lazy right now. Thanks :2thumbsup

EDIT: so why is it not known as DIC over here..

DIC = old way, no measuring of blood/breath levels, use to be a doctors decision and use to be hard to prove - but if it WAS proved there was mandatory 5-year disqualification.

EBA = Excess Blood (or Breath) Alcohol, and actual measurement.

Both mean a dangerous fuckwit has been driving..

[GOONR]

DIC = old way, no measuring of blood/breath levels, use to be a doctors decision and use to be hard to prove - but if it WAS proved there was mandatory 5-year disqualification.

EBA = Excess Blood (or Breath) Alcohol, and actual measurement.

Both mean a dangerous fuckwit has been driving..

Ahh, think it is still generally know as DIC in the UK, even if the process has changed.

[Mom]

Ahh, think it is still generally know as DIC in the UK, even if the process has changed.

It is generally known as DIC here too, unless you have faced an EBA charge, or a friend has, then it is EBA all the way baby :headbang:

[GOONR]

It is generally known as DIC here too, unless you have faced an EBA charge, or a friend has, then it is EBA all the way baby :headbang:

Sweet, I haven't, none of my mates have, must still be DIC then.

Cheers Mom!

[jono035]

Sweet, I haven't, none of my mates have, must still be DIC then.

Cheers Mom!

Yeah, same here, still a DIC for me too :D

[SixPackBack]

Bent coppers will be rubbing their collective hands in glee.....by special appearance morc and skidmark appear on the ATNR.

Oh and what happened to the site coppers answering Patricks disturbing assurance that "I know of quite a few cops who have been pissed while driving and have been done for EBA"??.....seriously wtf?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129299291&postcount=170

[scumdog]

Bent coppers will be rubbing their collective hands in glee.....by special appearance morc and skidmark appear on the ATNR.

Oh and what happened to the site coppers answering Patricks disturbing assurance that "I know of quite a few cops who have been pissed while driving and have been done for EBA"??.....seriously wtf?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129299291&postcount=170

OK, in special little words I'll try to explain Patricks 'disturbing assurance'.

It seems he has heard of coppers who have been driving while their breath or blood alcohol level was over the NZ legal limit.

They have been prosecuted for that - and dismissed from NZ Police toot-sweet..

I guess you have a problem that they had been drinking and driving.

So do I.

Just like I do with anybody drink-driving.

[SixPackBack]

OK, in special little words I'll try to explain Patricks 'disturbing assurance'.

It seems he has heard of coppers who have been driving while their breath or blood alcohol level was over the NZ legal limit.

They have been prosecuted for that - and dismissed from NZ Police toot-sweet..

I guess you have a problem that they had been drinking and driving.

So do I.

Just like I do with anybody drink-driving.


Nice little patronising spin scumdog. Copper are great at making the indefensible seem almost normal....

From the commission of report into Police conduct, specifically the collective attitude towards alcohol:


Attitudes towards the use of alcohol

7.18 Professor Bayley told me of the need to “deglamorise” drinking within the police. He said
that many of the problems that women complain about in relation to police culture had
their roots in drinking too much, and in the bonding ritual that drinking provides.887 He
recommended that police organisations work to discourage drinking as a bonding ritual. I
support Professor Bayley’s recommendation in that area. He also suggested that there be a
mandatory requirement for all officers to report drug and alcohol abuse.888

.......further evidence of the two faced attitudes the general public faces when dealing with the coppers:


Dual standards with respect to on-duty and off-duty behaviour

7.19 It seems that many police forces struggle with the issue of dual standards with respect to
appropriate on-duty and off-duty behaviour. Officers frequently attempt to draw a very
clear line between the two, and argue that what an individual does off duty, in terms of
sexual behaviour or other moral issues, is no business of the police management. Professor
Bayley told me that in America a sworn police officer is a police officer at all times, and his
or her behaviour should always be able to withstand public scrutiny.889 This principle also
applies in other parts of the State sector in New Zealand.890 Application of this philosophy
may be seen to curtail the freedom of police officers to engage in activities that are legal but,
if widely known, would bring the police into disrepute; however, in my view that is part of
the price police officers pay in their choice of career.

To summarise?................the coppers have a questionable system of bonding involving alcohol and feel that once off duty are free to break the law in any way they feel fit.

As long as they don't get caught:bash:

[scumdog]

Nice little patronising spin scumdog. Copper are great at making the indefensible seem almost normal....
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To summarise?................the coppers have a questionable system of bonding involving alcohol and feel that once of duty are free to break the law in any way they feel fit.

As long as they don't get caught:bash:
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At the risk of biting on a troll: If my mentioning a few facts is 'patronising' the yeah, I'm patronising..:rolleyes:

And the second part of above sounds just like the rest of society, whence police are acquired from...:Pokey:

Only the public are never 'on duty'.:no:

[SixPackBack]

At the risk of biting on a troll: If my mentioning a few facts is 'patronising' the yeah, I'm patronising..:rolleyes:

And the second part of above sounds just like the rest of society, whence police are acquired from...:Pokey:

Only the public are never 'on duty'.:no:

'On duty' WTF?............the issue is about coppers breaking the law when off duty. Frankly it seems that many do it without any moral issues.

Follow the law on Monday, break it on Sunday!?......hey scummy that could be the collective catch phrase for the NZ police force.....kinda catchy, and certainly accurate.

[scumdog]

'On duty' WTF?............the issue is about coppers breaking the law when off duty. Frankly it seems that many do it without any moral issues.

Follow the law on Monday, break it on Sunday!?......hey scummy that could be the collective catch phrase for the NZ police force.....kinda catchy, and certainly accurate.


That's the whole point, YOU posted said "the coppers have a questionable system of bonding involving alcohol and feel that once of (off?) duty are free to break the law in any way they feel fit".

Ya can't break the law if you're not caught....

Of course at the end of the day :whocares: about the suggested 'catch phrase'?

Not me.

[Aaron_newrider]

I absolutely hate the police on the north shore and the coast, and have had many run-ins with them when I was younger (15-18yrs)

Here is one example why I hate them - not related to motorbikes but is related to traffic/their attitude.

I was sitting at home, relaxing on a friday night. Got a call from my mate, drunk as a skunk, had driven to the party, asking for me to come and pick him and 3 mates up from a party. Thought this was great that he had not driven and said "definately mate, good on ya i'll be there in 15min"

Got in my car, and arrived at the party. There were people all over the road, and the north shore police had broken up the party.... Parked 5min walk from the party, told the guys where I was and they came to the car.

My mates car was outside the venue - and he asked me to go get it and take it out of the way of stupid drunk teens - once again sweet as.

Started walking down to his car (5min walk) and was stopped by a Paddy Wagon with 6-8 cops inside. They all jumped out and asked me "where do you think you are going?" I explained the situation, thinking I/my mate had done the 100% right thing. but no....

Cops told me to fuck off, that i wasn't driving and that I had to turn around and walk the other way. Argued for 5min... and then walked away because they wanted to arrest me! For public nusiance!!!!!

Anyway - I as I was walking away they decided they could smell weed on me - (it was the house about 50m upwind of us I smelt it on the way down) - and stip searched me on the side of the road. When I was down to my tight white underpants I asked if I can take them off - they told me I would be arrested if I did.... HAHAHA.. Anyway I didn't have week on me, so they decided to search my car.

Got back to my car with the cops - guys are there absolutely trashed - "should i have let him drive officer?" I asked. Didn't reply. Then the proceded to take apart my car and all the contents (it was full of empty beer bottles and just absolute shit everywhere.

The guys are laughing finding this quote funny in their drunken state - cops are saying "we know it's in here somewhere!".

10 minutes later they didn't find anything and told everyone to get in the car except me. I got the "you little fucking smart arse" lecture and the "you wont be so lucky next time" lecture.

My reply: You guys aren't very good at searching vehicles are you, you forgot to lift up the back seat with the little metal clip in the middle.

"GET OUT OF THE CAR" cops say to my mates. They were in histerics, all got out. Cops re-searched the back seats. Didn't find anything of coarse.

"fuck off and go home, if I see you again tonight i'm going to arrest you" say the cops.

Cops left - we wen't down to the beach to chill and they turn up again!!!!!
"we gave you a warning ect ect ect..."

I told them I had a right to peace full assembly, and that I would do them for unlawful detainment if they tried to arrest me. They didn't arrest me and left.

Well, that's a good excuse to hate the cops I think.....

[scumdog]

I absolutely hate the police on the north shore and the coast, and have had many run-ins with them when I was younger (15-18yrs)

Here is one example why I hate them - not related to motorbikes but is related to traffic/their attitude.

I was sitting at home, relaxing on a friday night. Got a call from my mate, drunk as a skunk, had driven to the party, asking for me to come and pick him and 3 mates up from a party. Thought this was great that he had not driven and said "definately mate, good on ya i'll be there in 15min"

Got in my car, and arrived at the party. There were people all over the road, and the north shore police had broken up the party.... Parked 5min walk from the party, told the guys where I was and they came to the car.

My mates car was outside the venue - and he asked me to go get it and take it out of the way of stupid drunk teens - once again sweet as.

Started walking down to his car (5min walk) and was stopped by a Paddy Wagon with 6-8 cops inside. They all jumped out and asked me "where do you think you are going?" I explained the situation, thinking I/my mate had done the 100% right thing. but no....

Cops told me to fuck off, that i wasn't driving and that I had to turn around and walk the other way. Argued for 5min... and then walked away because they wanted to arrest me! For public nusiance!!!!!

Anyway - I as I was walking away they decided they could smell weed on me - (it was the house about 50m upwind of us I smelt it on the way down) - and stip searched me on the side of the road. When I was down to my tight white underpants I asked if I can take them off - they told me I would be arrested if I did.... HAHAHA.. Anyway I didn't have week on me, so they decided to search my car.

Got back to my car with the cops - guys are there absolutely trashed - "should i have let him drive officer?" I asked. Didn't reply. Then the proceded to take apart my car and all the contents (it was full of empty beer bottles and just absolute shit everywhere.

The guys are laughing finding this quote funny in their drunken state - cops are saying "we know it's in here somewhere!".

10 minutes later they didn't find anything and told everyone to get in the car except me. I got the "you little fucking smart arse" lecture and the "you wont be so lucky next time" lecture.

My reply: You guys aren't very good at searching vehicles are you, you forgot to lift up the back seat with the little metal clip in the middle.

"GET OUT OF THE CAR" cops say to my mates. They were in histerics, all got out. Cops re-searched the back seats. Didn't find anything of coarse.

"fuck off and go home, if I see you again tonight i'm going to arrest you" say the cops.

Cops left - we wen't down to the beach to chill and they turn up again!!!!!
"we gave you a warning ect ect ect..."

I told them I had a right to peace full assembly, and that I would do them for unlawful detainment if they tried to arrest me. They didn't arrest me and left.

Well, that's a good excuse to hate the cops I think.....

OOoooh...I'm scared of THIS guy!

Gets hassled, - baits the cops - gets hassled - moans about cops.

He'll go far - on KB!!:banana:

[Aaron_newrider]

OOoooh...I'm scared of THIS guy!

Gets hassled, - baits the cops - gets hassled - moans about cops.

He'll go far - on KB!!:banana:

Don't understand you mate - LOL - it was just an example of cops being pricks. That was afew years ago.

[scumdog]

Don't understand you mate - LOL - it was just an example of cops being pricks. That was afew years ago.


Sadly cops are like the public - meet enough of them and you'll bump into a few procks - unfortunately sometimes the first ones you meet are pricks.

[GOONR]

Sadly cops are like the public - meet enough of them and you'll bump into a few procks - unfortunately sometimes the first ones you meet are pricks.

One of my mates has just joined up, he finished his training earlier this year. He's one of the nicest guys I've ever known. I reckon if he was the first cop a person had a dealing with then that persons general attitude towards plod would be all good. Unless they have been a naughty person and got caught that is.

On the other side, I did some work for the metropolitan police federation in London, god some of those guys where just unbelievable, drunken idiots with a bad attitude towards anyone who wasn't part of the "clan".

So yeah, like you say, it all depends on who you meet. (and what you where doing to meet them)

[Ixion]

OOoooh...I'm scared of THIS guy!

Gets hassled, - baits the cops - gets hassled - moans about cops.

He'll go far - on KB!!:banana:

Well, if I'd been treated the way he was, I'd be doing a bit more than moan on KB.

Formal complaints the Police Whitewash Authority to start with.

Let's see. Threatening behaviour. Obscene language (by the cops) . Wrongful detention. Illegal search. Just for starters. Reckon one could probably fit an attempt to pervert the course of justice in there somewhere. Not to mention the "if I see you again I'll arrest you" threat. No law allows arrest on sight without a warrant.

The police do themselves NO favours with such totalitarian behaviour.

[Aaron_newrider]

Well, if I'd been treated the way he was, I'd be doing a bit more than moan on KB.

Formal complaints the Police Whitewash Authority to start with.

Let's see. Threatening behaviour. Obscene language (by the cops) . Wrongful detention. Illegal search. Just for starters. Reckon one could probably fit an attempt to pervert the course of justice in there somewhere. Not to mention the "if I see you again I'll arrest you" threat. No law allows arrest on sight without a warrant.

The police do themselves NO favours with such totalitarian behaviour.

These days I would, definately.

I think the issue was I got thrown into the same boat as everyone else being idiots at the party. Like "boy racers", anyone with a loud car gets thrown into the same boat as idiots who kill people :)

[NDORFN]

OOoooh...I'm scared of THIS guy!

Gets hassled, - baits the cops - gets hassled - moans about cops.

He'll go far - on KB!!:banana:

In your mind, the cops are ALWAYS right. You can conjure what you think is justification for ANY inappropriate behaviour by a police officer. I bet you could sit in the police complaints office all day and pump out excuses that you actually believe exonerate officers involved. Just wondering... do you ever stop and think that perhaps you've let yourself subscribe to a collective mentailty which is unbecoming of someone who joined the police force to serve and protect? Or did you join because you actually want to be a power tripping bully?

[Aaron_newrider]

In your mind, the cops are ALWAYS right. You can conjure what you think is justification for ANY inappropriate behaviour by a police officer. I bet you could sit in the police complaints office all day and pump out excuses that you actually believe exonerate officers involved. Just wondering... do you ever stop and think that perhaps you've let yourself subscribe to a collective mentailty which is unbecoming of someone who joined the police force to serve and protect? Or did you join because you actually want to be a power tripping bully?

Is Scumdog a cop?

[Jantar]

Is Scumdog a cop?
Is the pope a catholic?

[scumdog]

In your mind, the cops are ALWAYS right. do you ever stop and think that perhaps you've let yourself subscribe to a collective mentailty which is unbecoming of someone who joined the police force to serve and protect? Or did you join because you actually want to be a power tripping bully?

No, that's only YOUR opinion of what I think, I have never thought the cops were ALWAYS right and I don't subscribe to 'collective mentality', of course you could try asking people that actually know me and have met me for a true indication of what I'm like.





Oh, f.y.i., I set out to be a power tripping bully but KB opinions caused me to decide to serve and protect instead..:devil2:

[Kickaha]

Is Scumdog a cop?

That he is and all round top bloke as well

[Grahameeboy]

I think we have to take some of these bad cop stories with a pinch of salt...generally those who have a bad story may have contributed in some way, put themselves in a position..had a bad attitude anyway.

Not sure why cops off duty drinking and driving is such a moral issue....it's wrong but it's because they are just like us and prone to fraility...

[SixPackBack]

That's the whole point, YOU posted said "the coppers have a questionable system of bonding involving alcohol and feel that once of (off?) duty are free to break the law in any way they feel fit".

Ya can't break the law if you're not caught....

Of course at the end of the day :whocares: about the suggested 'catch phrase'?

Not me.

Uhhu......no surprises, the coppers live that shit.
The question is how do they get caught given the resources at their disposal?
Either:

The law of averages dictates the collective offending rate amongst the police is no different to the general public. [And thus severely weakening their mandate to apply the law]
Or the collective intelligence is so fucken low, many end up being caught, despite knowing where the random stops, marauding land sharks are etc.
Didn't like my last catch phrase scumdog? How about:
"Hypocrisy-distinguishing the coppers from the public since ages ago"

[peasea]

:innocent::innocent::innocent::jerry::jerry::jerry :

Things are warming up and here's me thinking a cool and blustery Sunday morning would be boring.

[peasea]

Well, if I'd been treated the way he was, I'd be doing a bit more than moan on KB.

Formal complaints the Police Whitewash Authority to start with.

Let's see. Threatening behaviour. Obscene language (by the cops) . Wrongful detention. Illegal search. Just for starters. Reckon one could probably fit an attempt to pervert the course of justice in there somewhere. Not to mention the "if I see you again I'll arrest you" threat. No law allows arrest on sight without a warrant.

The police do themselves NO favours with such totalitarian behaviour.

Formal complaints are generally a waste of paper. The last time I checked the success rate for complainants was about 3%. You can't tell me that 97% of the complaints made were false, although I don't doubt that some might have been. The PCA is a white washing machine that the cops can be proud of when it comes to covering their arses when they screw up, which is more often than they would have you believe.

Should you take a cop to task, whatever you say (on kb or in court) will be discredited and twisted around to make it sound as if YOU are the one at fault no matter what the situation. The cops are good at that and they also often lie to achieve their desired result.

You're right when you say the cops do themselves no favours with their approach but don't try and tell them that, you'd be wasting your time/breath. They consider themselves to be 'top dog' with all manner of support, deep pockets for legal defence and woe betide you should you get in their way.

Just avoid the fuckwits.

[NDORFN]

No, that's only YOUR opinion of what I think, I have never thought the cops were ALWAYS right and I don't subscribe to 'collective mentality', of course you could try asking people that actually know me and have met me for a true indication of what I'm like.





Oh, f.y.i., I set out to be a power tripping bully but KB opinions caused me to decide to serve and protect instead..:devil2:

I'm starting to think you MIGHT be an alright person. You definately come across as an officer who initially gives unconditionally support to the force regardless of the circumstances, but in most cases you eventually offer a fairer view, probably as a result of absorbing some of the civilian opinion offered in KB. Perhaps all officers should spend some time debating on public forum.

[SixPackBack]

I'm starting to think you MIGHT be an alright person. You definately come across as an officer who initially gives unconditionally support to the force regardless of the circumstances, but in most cases you eventually offer a fairer view, probably as a result of absorbing some of the civilian opinion offered in KB. Perhaps all officers should spend some time debating on public forum.

You think?........call them out on a police fuck up and they will defend the coppers and make all sorts of piss weak excuses-push them further and you may get a begrudging admittance.

Honest discussion is also stifled from the top brass. KB coppers have left this site leaving no trace of themselves, others have gone strangely quiet. Scumdog is about the only one left! Honest discourse is a risky business for any officer.

Police have also visited other members on KB, complaining to their employer about on-site comments. This practice whether justified or not is strictly one way, the police will resist all attempts to investigate their own incompetent members.

Peasea is right. Avoid the buggers. The bad ones will make your life miserable regardless of your innocence.

[Indoo]

"Hypocrisy-distinguishing the coppers from the public since ages ago"

The inherent contradiction in your entire argument is that surely you would never ever hear about any cop drink driving, let alone being prosecuted by his/her colleagues if that hypocrisy existed to the extent you suggest.

[SixPackBack]

The inherent contradiction in your entire argument is that surely you would never ever hear about any cop drink driving, let alone being prosecuted by his/her colleagues if that hypocrisy existed to the extent you suggest.

Extent is not qualified?

Original comment was based on patrick's [a copper!] assertion that he knows quite a few coppers that have been busted for drink/driving. Additionally my wife works with the police-I know what the fuckers get up to allright!

[scumdog]

Extent is not qualified?

Original comment was based on patrick's [a copper!] assertion that he knows quite a few coppers that have been busted for drink/driving. Additionally my wife works with the police-I know what the fuckers get up to allright!





I thought I knew a lot of shit too when I had only been on the periphery - and for five minutes...:rolleyes:


And to judge all by the action of a few.....

[NDORFN]

You think?........call them out on a police fuck up and they will defend the coppers and make all sorts of piss weak excuses-push them further and you may get a begrudging admittance.

Honest discussion is also stifled from the top brass. KB coppers have left this site leaving no trace of themselves, others have gone strangely quiet. Scumdog is about the only one left! Honest discourse is a risky business for any officer.

Police have also visited other members on KB, complaining to their employer about on-site comments. This practice whether justified or not is strictly one way, the police will resist all attempts to investigate their own incompetent members.

Peasea is right. Avoid the buggers. The bad ones will make your life miserable regardless of your innocence.

I'm not saying I want to be his best buddy. I'm saying there's hope for him yet. One thing I live by, and I'm not saying it is necessarily the case here, is to keep my friends close and my enemies closer.

[peasea]

I'm not saying I want to be his best buddy. I'm saying there's hope for him yet. One thing I live by, and I'm not saying it is necessarily the case here, is to keep my friends close and my enemies closer.

I wouldn't go that far but I'd certainly be keeping a close on my 'enemies'. Having them close makes my skin crawl.

Would you describe the police as one of your enemies? If so, why?

[SixPackBack]

I thought I knew a lot of shit too when I had only been on the periphery - and for five minutes...:rolleyes:


And to judge all by the action of a few.....

Best you come up to Hazzard and check it for yourself!

[SixPackBack]

I wouldn't go that far but I'd certainly be keeping a close on my 'enemies'. Having them close makes my skin crawl.

Would you describe the police as one of your enemies? If so, why?

Enemy:

<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>1.</TD><TD>a person who feels hatred for, fosters harmful designs against, or engages in antagonistic activities against another; an adversary or opponent.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>2.</TD><TD>an armed foe; an opposing military force: The army attacked the enemy at dawn. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>3.</TD><TD>a hostile nation or state.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>4.</TD><TD>a citizen of such a state.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>5.</TD><TD>enemies, persons, nations, etc., that are hostile to one another: Let's make up and stop being enemies. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>6.</TD><TD>something harmful or prejudical: His unbridled ambition is his worst enemy. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>7.</TD><TD>the Enemy, the Devil; Satan.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[peasea]

Enemy:

<TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>1.</TD><TD>a person who feels hatred for, fosters harmful designs against, or engages in antagonistic activities against another; an adversary or opponent.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>2.</TD><TD>an armed foe; an opposing military force: The army attacked the enemy at dawn. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>3.</TD><TD>a hostile nation or state.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>4.</TD><TD>a citizen of such a state.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>5.</TD><TD>enemies, persons, nations, etc., that are hostile to one another: Let's make up and stop being enemies. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>6.</TD><TD>something harmful or prejudical: His unbridled ambition is his worst enemy. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dnindex width=35>7.</TD><TD>the Enemy, the Devil; Satan.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

So, for you, that's a yes?

[scumdog]

So, for you, that's a yes?

Ain't y'all lucky there's so many of the enemy to hate!!:devil2:

[scumdog]

Best you come up to Hazzard and check it for yourself!

Naff off!
YOU live there for a start:killingme

AND I've got enough effwitted cretins down here without going elsewhere looking for them. (You ARE talking about 'the public' - the ones I'm meant to serve and protect aren't you?)

[peasea]

Ain't y'all lucky there's so many of the enemy to hate!!:devil2:

Not on my patch; it's bliss.

Compared to the hell of the North Shore, where there's a revenue collector on just about every corner, the main highways here are pleasantly short of 'the enemy'. Sure, they float around the main centres like turds in a busted dunny, but the ratio is way better here.

The only one who has ticketed me since I've been here had manners too. Fucking amazing.

[scumdog]

Not on my patch; it's bliss.

Compared to the hell of the North Shore, where there's a revenue collector on just about every corner, the main highways here are pleasantly short of 'the enemy'. Sure, they float around the main centres like turds in a busted dunny, but the ratio is way better here.

The only one who has ticketed me since I've been here had manners too. Fucking amazing.


I guess you experienced the 'perk' of living in a bustling cosmopolitan, vibrant, populated area eh!

[peasea]

I guess you experienced the 'perk' of living in a bustling cosmopolitan, vibrant, populated area eh!

Which, when condensed into one word, reads 'shithole'.

[Toot Toot]

Six Pack, you know my experiences and ongoing problems with the above topic. As a result of prior legal action against me and from my employer I am now gagged from being able to comment for fear of further prosecution. Hence a need for entire profile deletion (amongst other things).
Just like to say I hope something is done soon about this.

[SixPackBack]

Six Pack, you know my experiences and ongoing problems with the above topic. As a result of prior legal action against me and from my employer I am now gagged from being able to comment for fear of further prosecution. Hence a need for entire profile deletion (amongst other things).
Just like to say I hope something is done soon about this.

..........Hence the thread.
Your experience Toot Toot confirms the coppers keep a close eye on this site. In order to reduce the incidence of corrupt, maverick cops in Hazzard County exposure is needed on many fronts. Police complaints, contacting the local cop shop and bitching on KB will eventually result in change.

[Highlander]

Unlike some who have commented here I have yet to have a run in with the law enforcement persons (touch wood), so have no problems with them. The occaissional finger wriggle to suggest that I slow down a little is the closest I have come .

I do however know of a guy who was done for DIC losing his licence for quite some time, then about a month later passed a marked police car on a double yellow line (just happened to be the same policeman) and cried loud and often that he was being victimised by the police in general, and that policeman in particular. :Pokey:

[Kickaha]

bitching on KB will eventually result in change.

Fuck you're a funny man :lol:

[Ixion]

Formal complaints are generally a waste of paper. The last time I checked the success rate for complainants was about 3%. You can't tell me that 97% of the complaints made were false, although I don't doubt that some might have been. The PCA is a white washing machine that the cops can be proud of when it comes to covering their arses when they screw up, which is more often than they would have you believe.

..

Just avoid the fuckwits.

You right in that no meaniingful result ever comes out of the Police Whitewash Authority. But, a complaint, if not actually frivolous, does generate an awful lot of paperwork. Which (a) pisses the cop off, since he has to respond to it all ; (b) pisses off the boss cop who also gets a crap load of paper work dumped on him (c) pisses off the Politzei Uber-Kommendant cos it shows up in their statistics.

So , where the issue is basically harrassment, it's a practical response. You harrass me, I'll harrass you right back.

For serious stuff, like actual wrongful arrest, lawyer up. And pick a lawyer who's a bastard's bastard with a side order of vindictive cunt.

And, yes, the best way is to avoid them. Never ride in the vicinity of a cop, no matter how legal you may be. Slow down, stop, let them past , turn off and ride round a block or too, pull back and wait for them to get out of sight. If they can see you, you're a target. Whether you're actually breaking any law doesn't make any difference.

[peasea]

You right in that no meaniingful result ever comes out of the Police Whitewash Authority. But, a complaint, if not actually frivolous, does generate an awful lot of paperwork. Which (a) pisses the cop off, since he has to respond to it all ; (b) pisses off the boss cop who also gets a crap load of paper work dumped on him (c) pisses off the Politzei Uber-Kommendant cos it shows up in their statistics.

So , where the issue is basically harrassment, it's a practical response. You harrass me, I'll harrass you right back.

For serious stuff, like actual wrongful arrest, lawyer up. And pick a lawyer who's a bastard's bastard with a side order of vindictive cunt.

And, yes, the best way is to avoid them. Never ride in the vicinity of a cop, no matter how legal you may be. Slow down, stop, let them past , turn off and ride round a block or too, pull back and wait for them to get out of sight. If they can see you, you're a target. Whether you're actually breaking any law doesn't make any difference.

Must admit; I like your thinking.

[peasea]

No wonder BRONZ is seen as a joke.

Please extrapolate.

[scumdog]

You right in that no meaniingful result ever comes out of the Police Whitewash Authority. But, a complaint, if not actually frivolous, does generate an awful lot of paperwork. Which (a) pisses the cop off, since he has to respond to it all ; (b) pisses off the boss cop who also gets a crap load of paper work dumped on him (c) pisses off the Politzei Uber-Kommendant cos it shows up in their statistics.



Yet to see too much of this 'pissing-off' you mention

Seen a bit of mild amusement and 'WTF':scratch:

[scumdog]

..........Hence the thread.
Your experience Toot Toot confirms the coppers keep a close eye on this site.

Hoo-wee yeah, shoot, we don't get this much amusement on many other sites...:clap::banana:

[SixPackBack]

Hoo-wee yeah, shoot, we don't get this much amusement on many other sites...:clap::banana:
I bet you hear the same complaints tho'

[Ixion]

Yet to see too much of this 'pissing-off' you mention

Seen a bit of mild amusement and 'WTF':scratch:

You ain't had a complaint from me yet. I done a course in "Complaining and pissing off authority". Passed with honours.

(actually, no copper has yet, cos all the trafficy type cops I have had roadside dealings with have been polite and professional. Ill advised and contrary in some cases, mind, but that's another matter. Except one, who was extremely senior and a total and utter arsehole. But that was long ago, when they drove, or in his case, was driven, in grey cars. And I was very young)

[Matt_TG]

Man, 16 pages of waffle. You're enjoying it though aye Scummie?

[Indoo]

The funny thing is this thread based on the IPCA slamming Police conduct has now revolved all the way to the usual clueless whiners complaining about the same authority whitewashing everything.

[SixPackBack]

Man, 16 pages of waffle. You're enjoying it though aye Scummie?

Papamoa...where the fuck is that?..........Dude livin' in a town without the luxury of running water [or coppers] must be miserable for you but have some heart for the rich residents of Hazzard.
Be good and we might send you a food parcel:apint:

[Molly]

I got done for speeding last week. 117kph out in the sticks. Wasn't deliberate. I usually sit around 105 / 110 when I've got the countryside to myself but I guess it just crept up a bit. Oh well, suck it up and pay the fine.

Bit of a pisser just the same.

[Matt_TG]

Papamoa...where the fuck is that?..........Dude livin' in a town without the luxury of running water [or coppers] must be miserable for you but have some heart for the rich residents of Hazzard.
Be good and we might send you a food parcel:apint:

Cheers mate. I'm quite happy you don't know where it is, don't want your whiny type down this way :devil2:

[peasea]

I got done for speeding last week. 117kph out in the sticks. Wasn't deliberate. I usually sit around 105 / 110 when I've got the countryside to myself but I guess it just crept up a bit. Oh well, suck it up and pay the fine.

Bit of a pisser just the same.

117kph? You'll kill us all with sort of behaviour. I hope you suffer the full consequences and.......pay up.

What have you learned from the experience? To slow down in the name of 'road safety'? I doubt it.

[peasea]

Man, 16 pages of waffle. You're enjoying it though aye Scummie?

He's not alone if he's enjoying it, but man, this is costing me in popcorn.

[peasea]

[QUOTE=SixPackBack;1129313517][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Papamoa...where the fuck is that?..........QUOTE]

Stand naked, in front of a mirror with your bum to the mirror. See that pimple?...........

Actually I quite like Papamoa but I couldn't resist.

[scumdog]

Man, 16 pages of waffle. You're enjoying it though aye Scummie?


Oh yeah, you bet!

Shitty cold weather, black ice everywhere, waiting for car/motorbike parts to arrive...a man gets bored at times..:whistle:<_<

[SixPackBack]

The funny thing is this thread based on the IPCA slamming Police conduct has now revolved all the way to the usual clueless whiners complaining about the same authority whitewashing everything.

.............Another copper!.

[scumdog]

.............Another copper!.

Only another 43 to discover in KB and 'out' SPB....:shifty:

[NDORFN]

I wouldn't go that far but I'd certainly be keeping a close on my 'enemies'. Having them close makes my skin crawl.

Would you describe the police as one of your enemies? If so, why?

As I said, it is not necessarily applicable to this situation. I wouldn't consider the police an enemy as such, more of a potential threat to my personal freedom. And to be specific, I'm refering to highway patrol, as they have the power to rob me off several hundred dollars of hard earned honest income for things as minor as not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign or for breaking the open road speed limit by as little as 10kph. Those are the kind of people I like to keep a close eye on, rather than try to ignore them.

[Hinny]

... waiting for motorbike parts to arrive...

A Harley breaking down ... never. :rolleyes:

[SixPackBack]

A Harley breaking down ... never. :rolleyes:

............karma!

[SixPackBack]

Only another 43 to discover in KB and 'out' SPB....:shifty:

Muzzled by their masters no doubt:baby:

[peasea]

Muzzled by their masters no doubt:baby:

I'd guess they muzzle themselves; wouldn't want the truth getting out about their own actions now would they?

There's always a pattern on kb when police behaviour is brought into question. Some kb coppers go to ground and say little or nothing while others bite your leg off like a rabid terrier. The cops try to defend themselves with comments like "you wouldn't/couldn't do my job" and "I have to deal the scum of the earth every day" etc etc ad infinitum. However, they choose their job, nobody forces them into it so...if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Putting that blue uniform on makes you a target and it could be said that wearing a black leather jacket and riding a Harley does the same thing, only in reverse.

The cops stick together and have their own code of silence, just as other social groups do (honour amongst thieves etc.). However, when the cops screw up they have immense backing (especially financial) to cover it up and/or discredit those who might criticize them or attempt to face up to them and exercise their rights. Generally speaking Joe Average doesn't have that luxury. Legal Aid lawyers tend not to be the best, the best are expensive and even if you win the chances of getting your money back are slim. The cops know this and play on the fact that many people will simply 'roll over' because the fight is too immense for them.

When someone feels hard done by thanks to an officious cop then kb is one place to vent and compare notes with others who have been treated similarly; go hard I say. If kb cops don't like what they see/read they can always sign out.

[scumdog]

A Harley breaking down ... never. :rolleyes:

Yeah well if fitting new tyres and fork-seals and a belt counts as 'breaking down' I guess they do.....
:Pokey:

[scumdog]

Muzzled by their masters no doubt:baby:

Nah, just more subtle than moi:D