Man down, man down... chappy's report

[neil_cb125t]

Well here we go – short track haven’t been here for ages!!! Last time we raced here was Dec 08 Tri Series.:wari:

Practice and Qualifying went really well, Higgans was pretty un ridable and the track was a bit cold but found a bit of traction out there – F3 went ok 1:19.8 good start – 1st half a second behind ash ( happy really as we could hardly push )- posties went better doing a 1:18.5 fastest bike out there.:Punk:

F3 race 1:

Bad start – swamped of the line but made a good few spots up on T1, started chasing Paul B hard – got him by the left hander awesome – now to get some space on people. The first entry in the sweeper Paul b came up the inside HARD, I let go of me brake lever then swooped down “man this is fast!!” Next lap exactly the same, Paul showed a wheel a few more times. Normally the first lap is hard core but this was never ending, after the 2nd lap things calmed down NOT. I tried to relax – and began catching Ash……… oh yeah here we go. I’m good through the esses I thought – after the left I slammed her down to the right, knee straight to the ground.

Then I feel the back start to come round – then it’s at the steering stops…..:blink: so I stand up on the pegs to try and get her back…. As I do that she kicks me hard from the pegs up… im outa the seat ………DON’T LET GO YOU CAN GET IT BACK………. Then my heads over the bike ….. I STILL CAN GET IT:shutup:……. Then I’m over the bike and on the ground I think………… I SHOULD HAVE LET GO:no:……… see my hand getting munched and the bike take off on its side…. I looked up and saw I was still on the track F$%K… run you idiot!!
:shit:
I ran like a mutated possum then flopped onto the grass…….Damn that hurt, my hand hurts, O look at that, its my muscle and bone of my thumb, my foot really hurts and I cant breathe……. All the O2 got knocked right out of me. Tried to get up but no I wasn’t going anywhere….. I had people come over fairly quickly I think…. Then the ambo ladies picked me up. :sunny:

Once I was up I felt better – the foot felt broke ( but said it was ‘ok’ )and the thumb looked nasty. The Ambo people did a great job of checking me out, I did convince them that I was good to go and would pop back to get my foot looked at after Posties.

Aaron and Paul Martindale got me bucket of bolts checked out and with a few quick adjustments with a hammer she was good to go. I was told that I can do 2 laps then come in if Me or the Bike wasn’t 100% - words from AJ.

PC race 1

So I had stone cold slicks, and no screen. My left hand felt useless and me foot was pounding. Lucky enough I qualed on pole I was going to need all the help I can get!!
I decided to take it as slow as I could while keeping infront of anything that was a JNR. Only a couple of guys had a stab…… so kept my head down and finshed happily in 1st.

Lunch was good to recover, foot up and decided not to look at it cause id never get the boot back on. Also found out the times from my 3 laps of insanity in F3….. on the 3rd lap we did a 1:16.7 GOD DAMN I though it felt a bit quick…. Bit of an improvement from the old PB of 1:19.9 aye.

F3 race 2 very concerned about Paul b awesome win, with a time of a 16.5… I just wanted to NOT fall off and come in as far up the field as I can… Had a ok start and Paul took off, just stay with him as long as you can – try to get my confidence back but again it was a big step up. After 3 or so laps I was happy with my speed and placing… then a green monster had a go at me into the sweeper…hmmm no I think ill fight back.. I put my head down and pushed it a bit more. After 2 laps of dicing with number 80 we had caught up to Paul… I had some good speed out of the sweeper… im in his draft… T1 my favourite out braking place….. do it!!! Got past him – RIDE LIKE THE WIND CHAPPY….. Chequered flag YOU LITTLE RIPPER.

I came back as a broken man – needing help just to get off the bike.

PC race 2

Awesome start!! New I had the pace so went out hard but keeping safe. Mossey showed me a wheel into the sweeper – I waved him through down the front straight. Rode out the race found out I had done a 1:17.0 really happy with that all things considering.

My dunlops look beautiful! I’m going to take a picture and post it in this tread, it looks brand new!! Cheers to Dunlop and Doc Rob for setting it up so well

It was the best of times it was the worst of times……. I was happy to load the bike up for the day…..

Thanks to all those that came over to make sure I was ok….and to those that worked on my baby to get her together again, Paul m and Aaron. I was very lucky to finish as well as I did and not to be more hurt. Xrays on Sunday showed no broken bones just huge bruising. BUY GOOD GEAR!! My new back protector saved me spine hugely no back aches at all.

Im off to the garage to make her look beautiful again……. bring on long track!!

[Clivoris]

Go you good thing:wari: MonuMENTAL effort Mr Shappell and you certainly earned the results. It was something else to see you get back out there after the spectacular binnage.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

on ya bro! going pretty fast for the middle of winter bruv. ash is flying too. any pics of the damage?

[Duke girl]

That was definately 1 spectacular crash you had Neil and I was so Happy to see you moving after it. I was truly amazed at your determination of wanting to get back out there when i came up and asked you how you were feeling but just looking at you answered that for me. So glad to hear that you didn't sustained any broken bones from your crash and that your gear stood up to what it suppose to for you. I look forward to seeing you back out there in Round 4 on the 22nd August so until then Takecare. Cheers Skip.

[mossy1200]

Great riding Neil.Good to see ya get back on on add points.
Only 10 more to get the postie lead again after the out of gas experience.
Still holding the f3 lead by narrow margin so looks like the big double.
Let us know when your foots not blue.
Graphic munted foot photos required.....

[quickbuck]

Nice write up Neil.
No worries for getting you back out there again.... It's what I'm paid to do.... Well, you know what I mean.

I must say to all, from a Crews point of view, after the Qual we were looking like the day was going to be easy...
Things were really smooth....

Of course the Motor Racing factor was being ignored, and it only took one little mistake for all hell to break loose for us.


Could have been a lot worse though. I was thankful all we had to do was fix the bike.

[scracha]

Good stuff Neil. The championship is yours to loose. I hope your bro doesn't get his bike all yuppified too as he's riding like his underpants are on fire.

[neil_cb125t]

cheers peoples, glued the fairings back together today - very minor damage.
New screen is here and new gloves too ..... crashing costs $$$ man!!

some bog and a repaint and she will be good to go.

[mossy1200]

cheers peoples, glued the fairings back together today - very minor damage.
New screen is here and new gloves too ..... crashing costs $$$ man!!

some bog and a repaint and she will be good to go.
I might try park my big fat fzr road block behind you for round four and see if you cant drag me into the very low 2min zone Neil.i got new discs and all the horses back now.Its finally gunna handle good.

[neil_cb125t]

haha yeah mate i too aiming for low 2:00, a sub 2min would be awesome!!

[mossy1200]

haha yeah mate i too aiming for low 2:00, a sub 2min would be awesome!!

if your talking sub two ill bring my rope

TOW ROPE.

Must get bigger tool box.Might need to be a longish rope
And im gunna bring those lucky shoes (they complete me)

[neil_cb125t]

Haha yeah they are awesome!!

of course rain will destroy everything!!

[Her_C4]

No one was more surprised than me to see you back on the track Neil. After watching both you and your bike bouncing around (it was pretty spectacular!!!! I (albeit belatedly:blink:), thought I should record a bit of it for you ...

[sinfull]

Well done Neil, sounds like you are on track !
Nice write up, almost felt your pain lol

[Deano]

You're a hard man mate !! Big ups to you for carrying on and still doing so well.

[sharky]

Jumped on mylaps on the Monday to see how everyone went. Saw 1st F3 race was split and you hadn't scored in the restart. Took me a moment to put two and two together that it was YOU that had come to grief.
Well done on the results for the other races and good lap times.
Keep the ZXR's at the front:Punk:

[Sparky Bills]

New screen and gloves ha...
Hmmmmmm... Hope you bought good gear Neil.

I knew you were being a drama queen when i saw you not moving at the side of the track. I wasnt concerned at all... :confused:

[neil_cb125t]

Awesome pics!! do you have em in high res??

man the bike took a huge spill!!


No one was more surprised than me to see you back on the track Neil. After watching both you and your bike bouncing around (it was pretty spectacular!!!! I (albeit belatedly:blink:), thought I should record a bit of it for you ...

[neil_cb125t]

after i purchased my new back protector yes....

yes new gloves amazing feeling buying brand new gear HAHAHAHA.




New screen and gloves ha...
Hmmmmmm... Hope you bought good gear Neil.

I knew you were being a drama queen when i saw you not moving at the side of the track. I wasnt concerned at all... :confused:

[Her_C4]

Awesome pics!! do you have em in high res??

man the bike took a huge spill!!

Yep it sure did - over and over. I was waaaay over on the hairpin - check out the full sequence herehttp://www.wfactor.org/?p=gallery&g=vmcc_2009_r3_protwins_superlite&max=560&page=1

I couldn't believe when I saw you back out there!! Fantastic - good ole kiwi grit and determination? Hope everything is healing well.

PS Yes the photo's print out well :sunny:

[quickbuck]

Awesome pics!! do you have em in high res??

man the bike took a huge spill!!

Yes it did... and you thought i was making it up when I said the brakes may have been applied inverted!

Reminds me....

CHANGE THE CLIP-ON BOLTS!!!!!!!

Also, if you are in doing your tappet clearances then might as well check-torque the head bolts.
Come and borrow the wrenches anytime you like.

[roadracingoldfart]

We gonna have to get you a bigger bike Mate . Respect for all you do on that weeny Kwaka.

Paul.

[Clivoris]

Go the RNZAF:Punk: If the bad guys ever invade us and challenge us to a bike race, we've got them fucked. Especially if it's a crashing contest:innocent:

[wharfy]

No one was more surprised than me to see you back on the track Neil. After watching both you and your bike bouncing around (it was pretty spectacular!!!! I (albeit belatedly:blink:), thought I should record a bit of it for you ...

Fark !!!

What is it they say " any landing you walk away from is a good landing ..any landing you that you can use the aircraft again is a great landing"

[roogazza]

Who crashes in that spot ? !!!!
Come to think of it I once saw Dallas Rankine get off there on a Duc, but over the years I can only recall a couple ? Did something break or was is a puncture ? Gaz.

[Lucyloo]

Does your mother know about this Neil??? ;-)
Luce - WIMA

[quickbuck]

Who crashes in that spot ? !!!!
Come to think of it I once saw Dallas Rankine get off there on a Duc, but over the years I can only recall a couple ? Did something break or was is a puncture ? Gaz.

Umm, there have been quite a few over the last couple of meetings... Quite a few.
We are looking at the Exit of Castrol you realise? The camera angle might mean you think it is somewhere else?
Anybody who adds another 20 odd HP to the mix mid corner will come to grief there...... In fact that actually goes for any corner.

Nothing broke before the accident, and the only thing broken was the screen... and Neils Glove...
All the rest was cosmetic, or straightened with a 12" Adjustable spanner.... Lee (Team Mate) had never seen one used the way I did.

Yes, and there is some cosmetic damage to Neils hand too...

[Sparky Bills]

Nothing broke before the accident, and the only thing broken was the screen... and Neils Glove...
All the rest was cosmetic, or straightened with a 12" Adjustable spanner.... Lee (Team Mate) had never seen one used the way I did.


Dont forget his Pride Aaron :msn-wink:

[quickbuck]

Dont forget his Pride Aaron :msn-wink:

Oh, yeah.............

[zxr400#150]

some thing tells me hes gonna come back even faster after this little opps (Damit:blank:)

[roadracingoldfart]

Dont forget his Pride Aaron :msn-wink:


A dented pride is a dangerous aspect when its opened in anger !!!!:rolleyes:




some thing tells me hes gonna come back even faster after this little opps (Damit:blank:)


You better get that bike in shape young man , dont let ya older bro have all the glory.

[roogazza]

Umm, there have been quite a few over the last couple of meetings... Quite a few.
We are looking at the Exit of Castrol you realise? The camera angle might mean you think it is somewhere else?
Anybody who adds another 20 odd HP to the mix mid corner will come to grief there...... In fact that actually goes for any corner.

I thought he was exciting splash and flopping to the right heading to the hairpin ? I forget the names !
Anyhow, doing it there you'd have to be a bit hamfisted or have a mechanical problem I would have thought ? Gaz.

[neil_cb125t]

it was the flip to the right and a full hand full of Hp AND i bounced on the seat at the same time. so she stepped out just before my right knee hit the ground ( after the left hander ) am whamo!!

[Sparky Bills]

Can happen very easily to anyone on that part of the track.
Get your timing just a little wrong and hello sky then hello ground. :laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

Ouch neil, saw it unfold and she came around a bit too far to save aye. Good to see you got back out there mate.
Glen

[mossy1200]

Im thinking that the flip flop manoeuvre should involve the bike doing both movements but I seem to remember you were the flipper.
I convinced Suzanne that your type of accident normally occurs when the front forks need emulators and linear springs.
She insisted I send mine to Robert Taylor for a little rebuild.

[neil_cb125t]

well said that man!!!


Fark !!!

What is it they say " any landing you walk away from is a good landing ..any landing you that you can use the aircraft again is a great landing"

[neil_cb125t]

yeah just a bit... but was good to walk/limp away after the first high side


Ouch neil, saw it unfold and she came around a bit too far to save aye. Good to see you got back out there mate.
Glen

[neil_cb125t]

mossey you crack me up - yeah id love to do more mods to the front - all i have is springs... some valving would go down a trick

tell her ill do it again and take you out unless she getts mine done 2!!


Im thinking that the flip flop manoeuvre should involve the bike doing both movements but I seem to remember you were the flipper.
I convinced Suzanne that your type of accident normally occurs when the front forks need emulators and linear springs.
She insisted I send mine to Robert Taylor for a little rebuild.

[quickbuck]

it was the flip to the right and a full hand full of Hp AND i bounced on the seat at the same time. so she stepped out just before my right knee hit the ground ( after the left hander ) am whamo!!

You are far more aggressive than me through there... I guess that is why i just swing the hammers ;)

I actually thought it was while you were still over on the left knee and ...
Well, it all happened REALLY fast.

At the end of the day you were asking too much of the bike... things it can't do.... I know you know this, just putting it out there so others realise...

Mossy has the right idea...... Yup... blame the old suspension so the Minister of finance will approve funding for better kit ;)

[mossy1200]

mossey you crack me up - yeah id love to do more mods to the front - all i have is springs... some valving would go down a trick

tell her ill do it again and take you out unless she getts mine done 2!!
If you do it again i will blame the back end and get a ohlins ya828 out of it.
To be honest id rather watch you winning races Neil.
I find myself drawn to watching F3 after that effort of yours on long track round 2.Your racing on the edge of the bike limits and its awesome to watch.

Anyways how you gunna take the mighty fzr down if your in front.
Im not keen on getting laped so dont go to fast.
Bonus would be in a 5 lap race if you do ill save 20% in tyre wear.

[CM2005]

hey chappy, those pics bring real meaning to "kiwi's Fly" huh? :)

[neil_cb125t]

Ha yeah me too!!

Its getting a bit much sometimes!! ie LAST ROUND but it def fun - there are some really ballsy guys in F3 and the bikes are sort of similar....

the bike should be sorted - i may have a bit more go too.......
but thats classified...


If you do it again i will blame the back end and get a ohlins ya828 out of it.
To be honest id rather watch you winning races Neil.
I find myself drawn to watching F3 after that effort of yours on long track round 2.Your racing on the edge of the bike limits and its awesome to watch.

Anyways how you gunna take the mighty fzr down if your in front.
Im not keen on getting laped so dont go to fast.
Bonus would be in a 5 lap race if you do ill save 20% in tyre wear.

[mossy1200]

Ha yeah me too!!

Its getting a bit much sometimes!! ie LAST ROUND but it def fun - there are some really ballsy guys in F3 and the bikes are sort of similar....

the bike should be sorted - i may have a bit more go too.......
but thats classified...

Me thinking its a flashy light and a turbo boost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-E8u2o48ts

Should we be calling you the Hoff

Is this your new passing manoeuvre.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXobmgVnljg

or check this Neil its super pursuit mode.Like round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407lo1iIZHI
Im not sure super pursuit mode was pre 89 but ill try find out.

[mossy1200]

If your the Hoff can I be evil Hoff

You cant keep the Hoff down long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwqOMVeo7E&feature=fvw

Round three the Hoffs down.

[neil_cb125t]

dont start that crap - im being pinged for my tail section currently.

becuase a tail piece makes me go faster.....

[mossy1200]

dont start that crap - im being pinged for my tail section currently.

becuase a tail piece makes me go faster.....
My tail make me go faster than sitting on tyre.
Tell them you cant ride it backwards and the only aero dynamic spoiler you have is Mossy trying to keep up.
I think there is a few bikes that have questional mods.Its hard when they designed posty junior to take onboard the older f3 bikes which had no limits on them prior.

[svr]

Who crashes in that spot ? !!!!
Come to think of it I once saw Dallas Rankine get off there on a Duc, but over the years I can only recall a couple ? Did something break or was is a puncture ? Gaz.

Thats cos its 5th gear round there and people are waiting to crash at the nice slow hairpin.
That corner catches out racers who are suddenly going faster (ahem, Neil). The faster you go round there the less gas you can use, not more.
I remember following Bruce Anstey there many years ago when he saved a highside only to plough straight into the tyre barrier inside the hairpin. You were probably right to bail out Neil.
Mega congrads on a great meeting too mate!

[Deano]

Anyhow, doing it there you'd have to be a bit hamfisted or have a mechanical problem I would have thought ? Gaz.

:rolleyes: Well those 'hamfists' got you the winter series lap record eh Chappy.

[svr]

:rolleyes: Well those 'hamfists' got you the winter series lap record eh Chappy.

Oh jezuz now you boys are inventing records to break. Goin' home to put my bike togethor.

[Deano]

Oh jezuz now you boys are inventing records to break. Goin' home to put my bike togethor.

I have it in black and white on the time sheets bro.

[quickbuck]

dont start that crap - im being pinged for my tail section currently.

because a tail piece makes me go faster.....

Don't ya just love Tall Poppy Syndrome.....

Fleck, I can see we will need to do bloody fairing swaps between races... Just to prove a bloody point!!!!!

Will have to put the bike in the Skin Bay for a week to get the boys to fit Dzus Fasteners all over the place though....

[Sketchy_Racer]

Thats cos its 5th gear round there and people are waiting to crash at the nice slow hairpin.
That corner catches out racers who are suddenly going faster (ahem, Neil). The faster you go round there the less gas you can use, not more.
I remember following Bruce Anstey there many years ago when he saved a highside only to plough straight into the tyre barrier inside the hairpin. You were probably right to bail out Neil.
Mega congrads on a great meeting too mate!

That corner is bloody fast, and on anything with 80HP or more can be a bit of a handful if you get it wrong on the entry. It's full revs in 3rd gear on the 600 and you do hit full throttle for a split second.

[quickbuck]

.... and you do hit full throttle for a split second.

One could well argue Neil was on full throttle the whole previous lap.....
Did you see how much of a tow he got from the SV down the back straight?

[roadracingoldfart]

That corner is bloody fast, and on anything with 80HP or more can be a bit of a handful if you get it wrong on the entry. It's full revs in 3rd gear on the 600 and you do hit full throttle for a split second.


Thats why us older , wiser blokes short shift up 1 and always pass you young fancy dudes up the inside lol . then if we fall over we may bounce off your bike and carry on too :shit:

[roogazza]

:rolleyes: Well those 'hamfists' got you the winter series lap record eh Chappy.

I won't go there. You young guys are fantastic ! Gaz. :love:

[neil_cb125t]

I wish i had more than 80hp........ some more mods to go aye.

yep it was more me arse slamming into the seat at the time of the HANDFUL i gave her that did the damage!


That corner is bloody fast, and on anything with 80HP or more can be a bit of a handful if you get it wrong on the entry. It's full revs in 3rd gear on the 600 and you do hit full throttle for a split second.

[mossy1200]

I wish i had more than 80hp........ some more mods to go aye.

yep it was more me arse slamming into the seat at the time of the HANDFUL i gave her that did the damage!
80 is just outragous.Tone it down a little Neil.A nice usable 60hp is what you need with a three quarter turn throttle.

[neil_cb125t]

ok then ill stay with my 79.7 then.......... and i swear im not making a ram air box for it.......

[CHET]

ok then ill stay with my 79.7 then.......... and i swear im not making a ram air box for it.......

why not other people in postiesw have them? Seriously well done though neil hope the rest of the season goes well for you and youre bro.:rockon:

[neil_cb125t]

ill add more sarcasim next time......:Oops:

whats happend to you matey??


why not other people in postiesw have them? Seriously well done though neil hope the rest of the season goes well for you and youre bro.:rockon:

[Little Smurf]

Hey Neil, Good on you for getting back out there, but it has to be said.......you a Kawa rider :rockon: it had to be done :lol: I think it happened to the best of us that weekend, :doh: good to see the road to recovery is quick see you on 22nd :woohoo:

[zxr400#150]

ill add more sarcasim next time......:Oops:

whats happend to you matey??

I belive his other half has twisted his arm into going over to S/Africa. Good excuse!!

Cheers Chet, hopefully see you out racing again doing a full season nxt year!

[CHET]

I belive his other half has twisted his arm into going over to S/Africa. Good excuse!!

Cheers Chet, hopefully see you out racing again doing a full season nxt year!

Yip going on a holiday so i will miss a few rounds but i should be back next year, im trying to convince the bettr half that we should look at a 6hundy but i ve got a long way to go.

[Billy]

My tail make me go faster than sitting on tyre.
Tell them you cant ride it backwards and the only aero dynamic spoiler you have is Mossy trying to keep up.
I think there is a few bikes that have questional mods.Its hard when they designed posty junior to take onboard the older f3 bikes which had no limits on them prior.

I think youll find the fact is PRE 89 was introduced as a forgotten era class and unfortunately when the Vic club started running it,they werent as strict on the rules as the NZPCRA are.What Warren is doing now is policing the rules as the post classic register do and beleive it or not,Hes doing you guys a favour cause if you turn up at the GP with late model bodywork,The chanaes are pretty high youre gonna get sent home without racing.The posties register are pretty serious about keeping the bikes within the era they are entered for

[Billy]

I have it in black and white on the time sheets bro.

I dont think Cooky was seriously denigrating Neil,He probably doesnt realize it was a winter series lap record.He probably confused it with the official Lap record which is a mid 1.59 set by Rodney Oconnor and Nathan Spargo in the mid nineties,Interestingly Ernie Cudby recorded a 2 min flat lap during that race and only finished 4th or 5th.Of course the extention was in a LOT better condition in those days and full credit too Neil the times he was achieving were bloody fast

[svr]

I dont think Cooky was seriously denigrating Neil,He probably doesnt realize it was a winter series lap record.He probably confused it with the official Lap record which is a mid 1.59 set by Rodney Oconnor and Nathan Spargo in the mid nineties,Interestingly Ernie Cudby recorded a 2 min flat lap during that race and only finished 4th or 5th.Of course the extention was in a LOT better condition in those days and full credit too Neil the times he was achieving were bloody fast

Maybe I was :msn-wink:
I remember seeing that race. That Duc supermono would still be competitive I reckon.

[neil_cb125t]

hmmm i heard you had a low budget this year.... 600 is only going to be worse!!

my thing is chewing tyres out like a fat girl in a muffin shop!!


Yip going on a holiday so i will miss a few rounds but i should be back next year, im trying to convince the bettr half that we should look at a 6hundy but i ve got a long way to go.

[scracha]

my thing is chewing tyres out like a fat girl in a muffin shop!!
sorry...I misread that. I just saw the words fat girl, chewing and muffin.

Does that mean my sexy hurricane bodywork has to go? Oh woesmoi

[roadracingoldfart]

I have an opinion on the type of fairing used in P/C racing , particulaly pre 89s.
if you look at MNZ rules in the "m/cycle technical section it has a paragraph on fairings and makes a cross referance to "classics "under the "classic catagory" specifically .

heres my take on it.
if a bike from the era had no fairing then the one chosen to be fitted for racing was to be of similar to what was available in the day . Ok , does that mean they all have to be slab sided blocks of shit ? or is it just the basic design of fairing has to be similar to design for the day ? or , does it mean you have to use only original fairings ?
In that case does that also mean a bike built without a fairing when launched can not use a fairing at all and must use the practically unsafe bits of plywood for a number board?
It seems the main contention here is the tailpiece , the only MNZ rule i can find is to stipulate the distance it is allowed to protrude past the rear wheel . It does not say there is a limit on how modern it can look . Looks aside , if the tailpiece is similar to any other on any bike , where is the cut off in shape going to come from. Im sure Fritz Egli didnt have any slab sided shitters on his ass now did he ? .
I believe the regs should be made to cover advantages in aerodynamics of the actual fairing and not on the tailpiece , it has no bearing on the aerodynamices at all .
This is surely a petty argument.

[Billy]

I have an opinion on the type of fairing used in P/C racing , particulaly pre 89s.
if you look at MNZ rules in the "m/cycle technical section it has a paragraph on fairings and makes a cross referance to "classics "under the "classic catagory" specifically .

heres my take on it.
if a bike from the era had no fairing then the one chosen to be fitted for racing was to be of similar to what was available in the day . Ok , does that mean they all have to be slab sided blocks of shit ? or is it just the basic design of fairing has to be similar to design for the day ? or , does it mean you have to use only original fairings ?
In that case does that also mean a bike built without a fairing when launched can not use a fairing at all and must use the practically unsafe bits of plywood for a number board?
It seems the main contention here is the tailpiece , the only MNZ rule i can find is to stipulate the distance it is allowed to protrude past the rear wheel . It does not say there is a limit on how modern it can look . Looks aside , if the tailpiece is similar to any other on any bike , where is the cut off in shape going to come from. Im sure Fritz Egli didnt have any slab sided shitters on his ass now did he ? .
I believe the regs should be made to cover advantages in aerodynamics of the actual fairing and not on the tailpiece , it has no bearing on the aerodynamices at all .
This is surely a petty argument.

All of the above is good argument.However the idea I believe is to keep the bikes looking like they did in the era and beleive me I have had and know others who also have some interesting conversations with the powers that be at the NZPCRA and have found some of their reasoning too be nonsensical,But they make the rules for post classic and thats final.If you think you can sway them,Then give them a call and discuss it GOOD LUCK!!

[nzkr1]

Looks like we are getting off the subject again. I must admit when I read the rules last I remember something about the fairing be of era the bike was manufactured.

Great report Neil good to see you stick it to those SV650's, go Kawasaki. See you at the next round. I'll be there continuing the under dog status on the KR1.

[CHET]

hmmm i heard you had a low budget this year.... 600 is only going to be worse!!

my thing is chewing tyres out like a fat girl in a muffin shop!!

yeah i know its more wishfull thinking than anything else,but you gotta love a tryer.Ill have to catch up with you sometime and talk about what youve done to make yours so fast i might have to do the same with mine.

p.s. i think the whole tailpiece thing sounds pretty petty too, youn cant tell me theres any benefit other than more/less signage room for the sponsors.:yes:

[Billy]

p.s. i think the whole tailpiece thing sounds pretty petty too, youn cant tell me theres any benefit other than more/less signage room for the sponsors.:yes:

This would be a complete misinterpretation of the issue!Who said it was an advantage??If or when you get round to reading the rulebook(Which you should have done before going racing,NOT 2 years after)You will see the issue is a ZXR400H was not available in 1989 with a 2000 and something tailpeice for reasons Im sure you can figure out,Therefore it cannot be a true representation of the era as is required.The rules are the rules!

[CHET]

This would be a complete misinterpretation of the issue!Who said it was an advantage??If or when you get round to reading the rulebook(Which you should have done before going racing,NOT 2 years after)You will see the issue is a ZXR400H was not available in 1989 with a 2000 and something tailpeice for reasons Im sure you can figure out,Therefore it cannot be a true representation of the era as is required.The rules are the rules!

I dont understand are you attacking me because i have an opinion?

[neil_cb125t]

Sweet as then - all post classic and classic riders should wear of the era leathers and helmets and ride on radial tyres. Also all the paint has to be lead based and be of only colours that the bike came out in - because it has look to be of the era..........

The Britten, made in 1989 note the fairings on this machine....

We are racing - this is not a show and shine competition- i am beating people on a machine that is a 1989 h1 zxr400 - no ttx rear shock - no special brakes- no light weight rims. and it has fibre glass fairings ....

i know of a XR500 that runs 3 spoked rims with slicks.... did an XR500 even come out with road rims?? let alone before 1989..... now do those road rims ( which are light wieght race ones ) giving it an advantage??

FUCKEN OATS IT IS!!!


This would be a complete misinterpretation of the issue!Who said it was an advantage??If or when you get round to reading the rulebook(Which you should have done before going racing,NOT 2 years after)You will see the issue is a ZXR400H was not available in 1989 with a 2000 and something tailpeice for reasons Im sure you can figure out,Therefore it cannot be a true representation of the era as is required.The rules are the rules!

[neil_cb125t]

Futher more if i take my fairings off the bike wont look of the era either!! making me illegal... by your brillaint take on the the rules which i did read 4 years ago- and again before a purchased a zxr400h1........ to enter postys in, which i did for 2 years including Wanganui and Nelson street racers.

with no fairings ill still beat anything under 1000cc in posties - just ask everyone with more than 1000cc...

or is that your problem??



This would be a complete misinterpretation of the issue!Who said it was an advantage??If or when you get round to reading the rulebook(Which you should have done before going racing,NOT 2 years after)You will see the issue is a ZXR400H was not available in 1989 with a 2000 and something tailpeice for reasons Im sure you can figure out,Therefore it cannot be a true representation of the era as is required.The rules are the rules!

[mossy1200]

I was reminded of the 1989 Cagiva V589 gp 500 bike.The tail shape looks similar.The problem with period styling and not having fairings specific to the model as a rule(fairings in keeping with but not specific)is that any tail shape that was in use should accepted.

[Billy]

Sweet as then - all post classic and classic riders should wear of the era leathers and helmets and ride on radial tyres. Also all the paint has to be lead based and be of only colours that the bike came out in - because it has look to be of the era..........

The Britten, made in 1989 note the fairings on this machine....

We are racing - this is not a show and shine competition- i am beating people on a machine that is a 1989 h1 zxr400 - no ttx rear shock - no special brakes- no light weight rims. and it has fibre glass fairings ....

i know of a XR500 that runs 3 spoked rims with slicks.... did an XR500 even come out with road rims?? let alone before 1989..... now do those road rims ( which are light wieght race ones ) giving it an advantage??

FUCKEN OATS IT IS!!!

Well if youve got an issue regarding the eligibility of another machine,Do something about it IE approach the technical rep,NZPCRA or lodge an official protest with the MNZ steward at the meeting.
Assuming you are talking about the Total motorcycles XR500,Every modification he has made too that bike he has sought clarification and got approval from the NZPCRA!!Ring them and Im sure theyll clarify the eligibility for you and while your there you can tell them all the other things theyve got wrong and theyll fix them just for you.GOOD LUCK,I already tried that

[Billy]

I was reminded of the 1989 Cagiva V589 gp 500 bike.The tail shape looks similar.The problem with period styling and not having fairings specific to the model as a rule(fairings in keeping with but not specific)is that any tail shape that was in use should accepted.

I fully agree with you,But unfortunately there are some people on the NZPCRA that dont see it that way and they make the rules.Another one that irks me is,Why should only the ZXRs be allowed to run upside down forks when the rules say the age of the bike is determined by the youngest major part of which the forks are one.Therefore FZRs and CBRs should be able too run ZXR forks as well??

[Billy]

I dont understand are you attacking me because i have an opinion?

Attacking or pointing out however you want too interpret it is fine by me.You clearly had done no research whatsoever on the subject and your opinion was wrong,Rule no 25-2-6 in the post classic section will clarify that for you.I agree wholeheartedly with your theory however the rulebook rules

[Billy]

Futher more if i take my fairings off the bike wont look of the era either!! making me illegal... by your brillaint take on the the rules which i did read 4 years ago- and again before a purchased a zxr400h1........ to enter postys in, which i did for 2 years including Wanganui and Nelson street racers.

with no fairings ill still beat anything under 1000cc in posties - just ask everyone with more than 1000cc...

or is that your problem??

No not at all.If you can win a Superbike race on the same bike,More power too you.I dont make the rules or enforce them but I do make a point of reading them,Which you clearly did not,Or you would have read rule no.25-2-6 in the post classic section.Of course that would have been difficult 4 years ago cause they werent on the MNZ website back then

[MOTOXXX]

.Another one that irks me is,Why should only the ZXRs be allowed to run upside down forks when the rules say the age of the bike is determined by the youngest major part of which the forks are one.Therefore FZRs and CBRs should be able too run ZXR forks as well??

Understand where you are coming from but they can run usd forks because they came out on the bike standard.

your allowd to do internal work to the forks so standard non usd ones can be made to be better than the standard kwaka usd ones. I know Paul did very well on his CBR400 with standard forks.

i've got the same delema as neil as i have the same tail piece, BUT my bike Still has OEM road zxr fairings (red and black ones)

I would argue that anyone looking at my bike would know its a 1989 zxr400 becasue all of the front fairings are the original road farings from 1989 so im in keeping with the spirit of the class.

[Billy]

Understand where you are coming from but they can run usd forks because they came out on the bike standard.

your allowd to do internal work to the forks so standard non usd ones can be made to be better than the standard kwaka usd ones. I know Paul did very well on his CBR400 with standard forks.

i've got the same delema as neil as i have the same tail piece, BUT my bike Still has OEM road zxr fairings (red and black ones)

I would argue that anyone looking at my bike would know its a 1989 zxr400 becasue all of the front fairings are the original road farings from 1989 so im in keeping with the spirit of the class.

PM sent on this issue

[roadracingoldfart]

Taken from MNZ website......
Post Classics section. Pre 89.
25-2-6 Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.

The type of fairing / tailpiece on #176 is a solo seat assy made of fibreglass and covers the subframe . That to me is the same TYPE and STYLE of anything i used in the 80s. What does it matter when it is made as the only components age sensitive are "major components".


Motorcycles Technical section......

10-11-1 For other types of competition, streamlining can be permitted. The width of which at front
does not exceed the width of the handlebar by more than 10cm. The front most point of
the streamlining must not project in plan more than 10cm past the centre of the front axle.
The front wheel, with the exception of the tyre and the part covered by the mudguard, must be clearly visible from each side. For reasons of historical accuracy, machines covered by chapter 23 are exempted from frontal rules provided this is mentioned in the supplementary regulations for the meeting. The same requirements apply equally to the rear of the streamlining, the rearmost point of which must not project in plan more than 30cm beyond the rearmost point of the tyre.

Chapter 23 deals with "Classics " not "Post Classics ", the pre 89s have thier seperate guidlines i believe , therefore the tailpiece on # 176 is allowable under the descriptive rules and the technical rules.

Isnt that a fair interpritaion ????

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Understand where you are coming from but they can run usd forks because they came out on the bike standard.

your allowd to do internal work to the forks so standard non usd ones can be made to be better than the standard kwaka usd ones. I know Paul did very well on his CBR400 with standard forks.

i've got the same delema as neil as i have the same tail piece, BUT my bike Still has OEM road zxr fairings (red and black ones)

I would argue that anyone looking at my bike would know its a 1989 zxr400 becasue all of the front fairings are the original road farings from 1989 so im in keeping with the spirit of the class.



My forks worked well because im fuggin good :whistle: and spent 5 years getting them dialled in , ok so im slow but methodical lol.

Its your gay boot colour that confuses me , not the bike colour :eek5:

[quickbuck]

Impressive...
A Race report with SIX pages of feedback!!!

Roll on next weekend....

And I have a plan!
A plan so cunning you could pin a tail (fairing) on it and call it a........

Well, we will see.

[Billy]

Taken from MNZ website......
Post Classics section. Pre 89.
25-2-6 Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.

The type of fairing / tailpiece on #176 is a solo seat assy made of fibreglass and covers the subframe . That to me is the same TYPE and STYLE of anything i used in the 80s. What does it matter when it is made as the only components age sensitive are "major components".


Motorcycles Technical section......

10-11-1 For other types of competition, streamlining can be permitted. The width of which at front
does not exceed the width of the handlebar by more than 10cm. The front most point of
the streamlining must not project in plan more than 10cm past the centre of the front axle.
The front wheel, with the exception of the tyre and the part covered by the mudguard, must be clearly visible from each side. For reasons of historical accuracy, machines covered by chapter 23 are exempted from frontal rules provided this is mentioned in the supplementary regulations for the meeting. The same requirements apply equally to the rear of the streamlining, the rearmost point of which must not project in plan more than 30cm beyond the rearmost point of the tyre.

Chapter 23 deals with "Classics " not "Post Classics ", the pre 89s have thier seperate guidlines i believe , therefore the tailpiece on # 176 is allowable under the descriptive rules and the technical rules.

Isnt that a fair interpritaion ????

Paul.
Who mentioned chapter 23??

A fair interpretation???I would think thats up too the individual,Personally I like it and in fact a couple of years ago I built an FZR400/600 and fitted a Honda RS 250 2002 Tailpiece cause it looked good,But I always knew I wouldnt get away with using that tail at an NZPCRA sanctioned event.The fact is,The post classic rules clearly state,If you can prove it was available in the era then bring the proof with you and therell be no problem.The onus is on the competitor not the association and clearly there are people within the association that are not happy with this tail.I would suggest if Neil wants too do something about it,He contacts the Post classic register and deal with it there.

[neil_cb125t]

Who mentioned chapter 23??

A fair interpretation???I would think thats up too the individual,Personally I like it and in fact a couple of years ago I built an FZR400/600 and fitted a Honda RS 250 2002 Tailpiece cause it looked good,But I always knew I wouldnt get away with using that tail at an NZPCRA sanctioned event.The fact is,The post classic rules clearly state,If you can prove it was available in the era then bring the proof with you and therell be no problem.The onus is on the competitor not the association and clearly there are people within the association that are not happy with this tail.I would suggest if Neil wants too do something about it,He contacts the Post classic register and deal with it there.


Hey PM sent - yes long story cut short i have been waitin for NZPCAs answer for 3 months..... apologies for getting my tits in a tangle - more detailed in pM

[mossy1200]

Every time I read the rules my interp is in KEEPING WITH THE STYLE.
Visually the tail looks similar in style to the 1989 GP500 bikes and nowhere does it say in keeping with the road version era style.
If so would this mean the OWO1 1989 race tail I have on my FZR1000 is also not acceptable.
I have a problem when lines get drawn at the title contenders bike.My belief is its not the only tail piece in pre89 that is a mould or adaption from a later model bike.
If challenged then proof of a similar style used in or before 89 should be all that required.End of enquiry.

[roadracingoldfart]

Who mentioned chapter 23??

A fair interpretation???I would think thats up too the individual,Personally I like it and in fact a couple of years ago I built an FZR400/600 and fitted a Honda RS 250 2002 Tailpiece cause it looked good,But I always knew I wouldnt get away with using that tail at an NZPCRA sanctioned event.The fact is,The post classic rules clearly state,If you can prove it was available in the era then bring the proof with you and therell be no problem.The onus is on the competitor not the association and clearly there are people within the association that are not happy with this tail.I would suggest if Neil wants too do something about it,He contacts the Post classic register and deal with it there.


Chapter 23 is reffered to in the "technical rules section" as the only referance to streamlining. Rule 10 -11 -1

Post classics are covered by section 25 so section 23 is not relevant so no clear restriction is stipulated.

[Billy]

Every time I read the rules my interp is in KEEPING WITH THE STYLE.
Visually the tail looks similar in style to the 1989 GP500 bikes and nowhere does it say in keeping with the road version era style.
If so would this mean the OWO1 1989 race tail I have on my FZR1000 is also not acceptable.
I have a problem when lines get drawn at the title contenders bike.My belief is its not the only tail piece in pre89 that is a mould or adaption from a later model bike.
If challenged then proof of a similar style used in or before 89 should be all that required.End of enquiry.
Yip,As I stated earlier I agree with you,However somebody in the NZPCRA obviously in this case.Probably a case of tall poppy syndrome.Its long been known in racing circles,You can generally get away with murder so long as your not winning.Start winning as Neil has and for some seriously fucked up reason it all changes and the rulebook is pulled out

[quickbuck]

Yip,As I stated earlier I agree with you,However somebody in the NZPCRA obviously in this case.Probably a case of tall poppy syndrome.Its long been known in racing circles,You can generally get away with murder so long as your not winning.Start winning as Neil has and for some seriously fucked up reason it all changes and the rulebook is pulled out

Freekin True that....
The late Barry Sheene had very similar issues......

Anyhow, my plan for the Postie Series has come together, and a HUGE thanks goes to the bike shop that features in my signature block ;)
Just have to get the tail all glued up, and we are.... "Cleared for Take Off".

[MOTOXXX]

we have been given the OK by the officials.

go the storm in a tea cup!