NZ Police - why do they do it?

[98tls]

You believed a politician??:doh:

It was "I'll show you a cunning way to instantly make more police but still have the same number of traffic cops too":crazy: The measure of a good copper is in the state of his undies,you Sir are an epic fail.:Offtopic:

[smoky]

for those who keep side tracking things;

For those who keep failing to understand the point of my post;

I am asking about the fact that we seem to be policed to the absolute letter of the law - cops just doing their job huh

I think they should spend more time actually making a difference, for instance;
"The Authority is very concerned about the impact on children from past delays in completing investigations."
The Independent Police Conduct Authority is investigating delays in the Police responses to a potentially significant number of child abuse cases in the Wairarapa.
The Police in 2008 also conducted a review which found widespread failings including poor case management and workload management, poor supervision, and a lack of accountability and responsibility.

An Auckland bar which was burgled three weeks ago was targeted again early yesterday - further frustrating the owner who believes it might not have happened if police had followed up leads about the first break-in
The thief was captured on video camera and the images - with a possible name and address for the man - were passed to police that same day, with a tip that he was selling the stolen liquor from his home.
Despite that information, the suspect was never visited. Bar owner Nick Brooks was later told by police that was because the file was never even assigned to a detective as it wasn't "the only burglary" in Auckland.

Christchurch police have apologised for the delay in responding to a call about an intruder in a six-year-old girl's bedroom last Friday.
Sharleen Fenton, of Papanui, said she fled to a neighbour's house and called 111 after her daughter saw the intruder in her room at 9.30pm.
Fenton said she was told "it could take a while", and a police unit did not arrive until an hour later.

It took police more than an hour to get a patrol car to an Auckland home where two distressed and partially dressed teenagers ran screaming for help at 6am yesterday. But in an apparent blunder reminiscent of the Iraena Asher case, they took an hour to get there and had received four further phone calls before then. The teens ended up calling a taxi and left before police arrived. "It's one of these houses of hell. It has a long history," a Neighbourhood Support member said. "The residents in that part of the street are terrified."

about 5 years ago my farther rang the police 5 times asking them to turn up, the neighbour was beating his wife, again. They didn't turn up for 2.5 hours - by the time they did, he had killed her


But it's a good job they caught me before I killed somebody doing my 84 in a 70 zone 200 meters from the open road sign

[PrincessBandit]

I think you were being just a really considerate guy - hey, the poor cop probably was behind on his quota and you wanted to help him out, make his day and all that.

Such kindness and thoughtfulness Smoky. You're a peach!

[scumdog]

The measure of a good copper is in the state of his undies,you Sir are an epic fail.:Offtopic:

Huh, you know I don't have any:bleh::Offtopic:

Sorry smoky, couldn't resist.

[smoky]

The measure of a good copper is in the state of his undies,you Sir are an epic fail.:Offtopic:

hah - Is that an insult or a compliment ??

[98tls]

Err yea sorry Smoky.......couldnt help meself.

[Laava]

Right then, that's this weeks police bashing thread out of the way!......,......What are we gonna talk about now then?

[98tls]

hah - Is that an insult or a compliment ?? Not sure mate,a couple of years ago i left the confines of my tent on Sundy morn at the Winchester rally,feeling a bit under the weather (as you do) the first thing i see is Scumdog walking about in only undies,hence my post.

[smoky]

Right then, that's this weeks police bashing thread out of the way!......,......What are we gonna talk about now then?

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarianism is generally characterized by the coincidence of authoritarianism (i.e., where ordinary citizens have no real significant share in state decision-making) and ideology (i.e., a pervasive scheme of values promulgated by institutional means to direct the most significant aspects of public and private life). Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (like the speed kills campaigns), control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism. State terrorism as in terrorism committed by governments and quasi-governmental agencies (police) and personnel against the general populous.

They’re not interested in reducing the road toll, or solving real crime, not interested in preventing child abuse, or wife beating – it’s all about continually putting us in our place, reminding us of their totalitarian powers, repressing the common people in order to maintain their hold on your minds, and ultimately their position of power

[SMOKEU]

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarianism is generally characterized by the coincidence of authoritarianism (i.e., where ordinary citizens have no real significant share in state decision-making) and ideology (i.e., a pervasive scheme of values promulgated by institutional means to direct the most significant aspects of public and private life). Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (like the speed kills campaigns), control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism. State terrorism as in terrorism committed by governments and quasi-governmental agencies (police) and personnel against the general populous.

They’re not interested in reducing the road toll, or solving real crime, not interested in preventing child abuse, or wife beating – it’s all about continually putting us in our place, reminding us of their totalitarian powers, repressing the common people in order to maintain their hold on your minds, and ultimately their position of power

That's exactly right mate, they're just trying to rip us off through our taxes.

[98tls]

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarianism is generally characterized by the coincidence of authoritarianism (i.e., where ordinary citizens have no real significant share in state decision-making) and ideology (i.e., a pervasive scheme of values promulgated by institutional means to direct the most significant aspects of public and private life). Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media (like the speed kills campaigns), control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism. State terrorism as in terrorism committed by governments and quasi-governmental agencies (police) and personnel against the general populous.

They’re not interested in reducing the road toll, or solving real crime, not interested in preventing child abuse, or wife beating – it’s all about continually putting us in our place, reminding us of their totalitarian powers, repressing the common people in order to maintain their hold on your minds, and ultimately their position of power
sounds like Communism.

[caseye]

Woulda got the same sort of thing when traffic cops were Traffic Officers...
Traffic is not always police you may have noticed.

Worse! TO's were all "Barstards" Having said that, some of em were bloody great barstards, specially the hard nuts at ACC Traffic.

[sinfull]

This thread has taken more twists than the Aka's on a good day !!!
One minute we're talking about a cop who didn't give any quater to the OP when he caught him doing 84 in a 70 !
Next it's how the police aren't responding to calls or clearing the backload of cases !
Then we are suddenly run by a totalitarian government who are trying to keep us down trodden !! (prolly by ticketing us for exceeding the 70 km limits they seem to have everywhere)

Haha most fun i've had in three weeks, reading this !!!

[MSTRS]

This thread has taken more twists than the Aka's on a good day !!!
....
Haha most fun i've had in three weeks, reading this !!!

And is there any reason why it shouldn't continue?
The clever cut'n'thrust of witty repartee...the airing of personal agendas...the schoolyard encouraging of the combatants...the posturing due to injured pride...even some sensible musings.
Ahhh. KB at it's best.

[Ixion]

I would say more about that particular member but I suspect he may have a photo of a certain moderator in a compromising position with a sheep/chicken/apple pie and we'll end up in PD...again

Apple pie? Apple pie? WTF? I've missed something.

I knew about the sheep. And I knew about the chicken. (And the fish, and the goats of course). But I never heard about the apple pie. Did the pie have cream on it? (beforehand, I mean). Spill the story, don't keep us in suspense.

[Ixion]

Y'know , I've never been keen on fishing. Cos whenever I tried it, I'd spend hours and hours sitting around without any sign of a fish. Waste of time I reckoned.

Then a few weeks ago I got inveigled on a fishing trip. More waste of time, I thought.

But, I ended up catching three fish! Big schnapper, very tasty , too.

Well, I was a bit astonished by that. How come suddenly I know how to catch fish?

The boat skipper dude explained.

Go where the fish are, he said, and it's very good odds you'll catch one. Go where the fish are not, and it's very unlikely you'll catch any.Secret is not knowing how to catch fish. Secret is knowing how to find fish.

Reckon y' cop had been talking to that boat dud

[el_scor_cho]

cant start splittin hairs as to how far the law can be pushed. does sound unfortunate but start letting people off 200m from open road signs and they will take another 200 insisting its only 200m outside the law.
gotat draw the line somewhere

[MSTRS]

cant start splittin hairs as to how far the law can be pushed. does sound unfortunate but start letting people off 200m from open road signs and they will take another 200 insisting its only 200m outside the law.
gotat draw the line somewhere

Actually, in the real world, the line is at the sign.

[Drew]

.even some sensible musings.
Ahhh. KB at it's best.
Fuckin prove it!

[Ixion]

Actually, in the real world, the line is at the sign.

Front wheel or rear wheel?

[jrandom]

Met someone recently who got let off for 140+ after she said...

There y'go. If you haven't realised yet that girls don't get tickets, welcome to the real world.

[Biggles08]

There y'go. If you haven't realised yet that girls don't get tickets, welcome to the real world.

mmmmmm......( . )( . )

[smoky]

Y'know , I've never been keen on fishing. Cos whenever I tried it, I'd spend hours and hours sitting around without any sign of a fish. Waste of time I reckoned.

The boat skipper dude explained.

Go where the fish are, he said, and it's very good odds you'll catch one.

And after being around KB for a while now, if your having a boring weekend, post on Kb about how unfair the cops are

It's like serving up pork at a jewish wedding

Go where the fish are

[grusomhat]

The amount of people telling him to quit moaning amazes me, and pretty much establishes why we live in such a pathetically policed state.
'Nuff Said

[SMOKEU]

The amount of people telling him to quit moaning amazes me, and pretty much establishes why we live in such a pathetically policed state.
'Nuff Said

+1 on that, we don't need to take this shit. People should grow some balls and stand up to the government we're in. This is not a dictatorship like many people believe.

[ManDownUnder]

+1 on that, we don't need to take this shit. People should grow some balls and stand up to the government we're in. This is not a dictatorship like many people believe.

Yeah - don't pay the ticket, take them to court, make sure the Police invest lots of time in your rather than ticketing others (like me f'rexample).
ou won't win but think of good you'll feel standing up in front of the judge making your case on behalf of all us law abiding common folks!

We are kiwibiker! The Police need to consult us before enforcing stuff that affects us .... no?

[chef]

yeah take them to courte... good little time and money waster ha

[grusomhat]

Yeah - don't pay the ticket, take them to court, make sure the Police invest lots of time in your rather than ticketing others (like me f'rexample).
ou won't win but think of good you'll feel standing up in front of the judge making your case on behalf of all us law abiding common folks!

We are kiwibiker! The Police need to consult us before enforcing stuff that affects us .... no?

You forgot to close your sarcasm tag!

Doesn't that just sound like the system is fucked then? It's designed so that actually trying to change something takes more than a person can be bothered. People just give up and democracy sinks to a new low. +1 to the Govt

People don't have a say in the actual things that matter, they are just given the illusion of it.

[boomer]

You forgot to close your sarcasm tag!

Doesn't that just sound like the system is fucked then? It's designed so that actually trying to change something takes more than a person can be bothered. People just give up and democracy sinks to a new low. +1 to the Govt

People don't have a say in the actual things that matter, they are just given the illusion of it.

So here you are.. Saving the world via KB.... !!!


CONGRATS .... :stupid:

[boomer]

+1 on that, we don't need to take this shit. People should grow some balls and stand up to the government we're in. This is not a dictatorship like many people believe.


you tell 'em...! Stick it to the bastards; next time dont just gas it when a coppers staring at you with a radar locked on and you have no WOF.. NEXT TIME flip him the bird and tell HIM... WE ARE KB.. we will stand united FOOK YOU ROZZA ! :finger: :Flipthemotherfuckersthebird: :finger:


if he catches you that is

[grusomhat]

So here you are.. Saving the world via KB.... !!!


CONGRATS .... :stupid:

:doh:

[ManDownUnder]

People don't have a say in the actual things that matter, at an individual level, no - and rightly so.


they are just given the illusion of it.

Yeah we do. We can vote for this party, that party or form our own party and make our very own rules.

[smoky]

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Yeah we do. We can vote for this party, that party or form our own party and make our very own rules.

Don't tell me you still believe in the meaning of democracy ?

Democracy is an illusion, party politics and policy stand as an anathema to democracy, media screwed smoke and mirrors.
Our so called western democracy has long ago been hijacked by market forces and capitalistic values - they perpetuate the virtual reality that is touted as freedom
Those who enter politics may start with great ideals, but soon degenerate to hold on to power
The English language has developed in such a manner, that more often than not, what is said has a different reality for each individual truth - it is the tool of the wise and corrupt

To avoid disillusionment with human nature, we must first give up our illusions about it. Abraham H. Maslow

[Drew]

Don't tell me you still believe in the meaning of democracy ?

Democracy is an illusion, party politics and policy stand as an anathema to democracy, media screwed smoke and mirrors.
Our so called western democracy has long ago been hijacked by market forces and capitalistic values - they perpetuate the virtual reality that is touted as freedom
Those who enter politics may start with great ideals, but soon degenerate to hold on to power
The English language has developed in such a manner, that more often than not, what is said has a different reality for each individual truth - it is the tool of the wise and corrupt

To avoid disillusionment with human nature, we must first give up our illusions about it. Abraham H. Maslow

A very bleak view indeed Smoke.


But you contradict ourself here too. "Those who enter politics may start with great ideals, but soon degenerate to hold on to power".

You admit then, that a person with the conviction, COULD infact do what they set out to do. Making our democratic system a true one.


Edit: Exactly what fuckin freedoms do you not have? Fuck off some place else if it's so bad here.

[imdying]

At what point does the discretion stop? 200 meters you say, so is 250 not ok? If so, is 225?This is exactly right. The sign denotes where the zone changes, and you should be at the required speed at the change over point. Police are not paid to be judges or lawyers, have not been trained to take on such a task, and shouldn't be required to as if that's what they wanted to do, that's what they would've trained and signed on for.

The sign shows no bias, does not discriminate, and can't move itself to entrap or otherwise fudge an infringement. They don't need discretion for something black and white.

You're either paying attention to the roads and signage like you are obligated to do when operating a motor vehicle, and therefore immune to getting infringement notices relating to speeding at zone changes, or you're not. Quite simple really.

Cops only sit as zone changes because people are lazy wankers who think they can stretch the rules to suit themselves; those people have nobody to blame but themselves.

[smoky]

Edit: Exactly what fuckin freedoms do you not have? Fuck off some place else if it's so bad here.

Are you really that tightly strung?
You don't need to get upset because I don't agree with you?
it's alright to have a different opinion (even if you can't articulate one)
Do you think NZ is just for you and your small minded friends, and Posts on KB should all agree with your perception of life - if they don't then you'll give them some abuse?

You should join the police - you'd fit in real well there
You could lock up a few darkies, bash a few homos and throw those bloody slanty eyed devils off the wharf so they can swim home - that's a bit of you isn't it.

[smoky]

So here you are.. Saving the world via KB.... !!!


No - just winding up a few morons

[boomer]

No - just winding up a few morons


you be careful.. any tighter you'll pop

[Drew]

Are you really that tightly strung?
You don't need to get upset because I don't agree with you?
it's alright to have a different opinion (even if you can't articulate one)
Do you think NZ is just for you and your small minded friends, and Posts on KB should all agree with your perception of life - if they don't then you'll give them some abuse?

You should join the police - you'd fit in real well there
You could lock up a few darkies, bash a few homos and throw those bloody slanty eyed devils off the wharf so they can swim home - that's a bit of you isn't it.

It would seem I am that highly strung. What exactly is worth getting wound up for, if not something you believe in?

I believe New Zealand is for those in it legitimately (even if I dont agree with all immigration law), paying taxes.

No one need agree with me, any more than they do your statements of fact as you perceive them. Kinda makes you a hypocrite methinks.

And you do realise I'm a gay man, of Maori decent, with an asian boyfriend?

That articulate enough for ya?

[smoky]

It would seem I am that highly strung. What exactly is worth getting wound up for, if not something you believe in?

I believe New Zealand is for those in it legitimately (even if I dont agree with all immigration law), paying taxes.

No one need agree with me, any more than they do your statements of fact as you perceive them. Kinda makes you a hypocrite methinks.

And you do realise I'm a gay man, of Maori decent, with an asian boyfriend?

That articulate enough for ya?

So you can actually put a sentence together?
I don't care if people don't agree with me, I expect it
I also expect abuse from people who are less than articulate

I wouldn't post on KB about speeding, police, gay people, race, religion, politics, immigration, or just about any subject - with out expecting to receive abuse or opinion contra to mine

[Drew]

I wouldn't post on KB about speeding, police, gay people, race, religion, politics, immigration, or just about any subject - with out expecting to receive abuse or opinion contra to mine

So, with that attitude in mind, do you think anyone else around here expects to be taken seriously? And all those of us who dont, might all just post for the sheer entertainment of it?

To put it a different way, I know a few people around here in the real world, could one of those people please post when they last had a political conversation with me?

Dont hold your breath waiting for a reply to that by the way.

Peace out.:done:

[Dooly]

I wouldn't post on KB about speeding, police, gay people, race, religion, politics, immigration, or just about any subject - with out expecting to receive abuse or opinion contra to mine

Can we post about waving, or the secret KB wave?<_<

[Drew]

Can we post about waving, or the secret KB wave?<_<

The first rule about the secret KB wave is...We dont talk about the secret KB wave!

[ManDownUnder]

Don't tell me you still believe in the meaning of democracy ?

Sure do - and I understand the impact of capitalism on lawmaking.


Our so called western democracy has long ago been hijacked by market forces and capitalistic values - they perpetuate the virtual reality that is touted as freedom

In respect of freedom ... I'd say NZ actually has a pretty good balance.


Those who enter politics may start with great ideals, but soon degenerate to hold on to power reasonably true - sadly, but then the counter to that is people tend to vote for policy (i.e. the party( rather than personality (the person). Harry Dynhoven is case in point for me. GREAT guy - known him for years... but Labour policy? Nope! Not gettign my vote


The English language has developed in such a manner, that more often than not, what is said has a different reality for each individual truth - it is the tool of the wise and corrupt
ummmm... yeah... ok. I think you'll find miscommunication happens in most spheres, with most languages to a minor degree at least.


To avoid disillusionment with human nature, we must first give up our illusions about it. Abraham H. Maslow
To give up our illusions about human nature we must first be sure we have a complete and accurate perspective on it, which cannot be done through the eyes of any given individual unless they have a comprehensive understanding of their personal bias, inclination to filter information, apply their unique individual set of experiences on it and are able to understand that same set of subjective interpretation limitations imposed by everyone commenting on the subject.

Learning to do all the above can only be done from others as this is not an inherant skill natrually possessed by any at birth and can certainly not be done in total isolation, which immediately brings a comprehensive array of frustrating factors into play which are impossible to remove from the situation due to the self referencing nature of learning about the way people think... from the very thinking of other people.

Ergo - it can't be done.
MDU

Do I win? (Watch how you take that - you might be misreading what I wrote... oh - and check my siggy too.)

[gatch]

Got a ticket yesterday; that makes 9 in 20 years

I was heading home from work, down thru Huntly toward Hamilton
been past the township, past the quarry, 200 meters from the open road signs in a 70k area - see the cop on the other side of the road, check the speedo - 80ish Klm/Hr

I thought I'd be ok, being so close to the open road sign and all, but no

pulled over and fined for 84 klm/hr, $80
And wouldn't ya know it - my WOF was over due by two weeks - fine of $200 (it was booked in to be done - along with a service next week)
Went to the nearest testing station before they closed and got the WOF, so hopefully won't have to pay the $200

I'd been doing around 70 all the way along that overly extended limited speed area thru Huntly (behaving myself) and was merely slowly increasing my speed toward the open road - I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police. It could've been palatable if there was a school nearby, an intersection, lots of traffic or some other potential hazard? But there's not. what an arsehole

My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

Quite a conundrum man.. In answer to the original question I would say just accept it and move on, we've all been there, we like to feel in-justiced when handed a ticket when really we knew that we were breaking a well documented, understood and most importantly sign-posted law.

I think you should even count yourself lucky that you got off the no-warrant part, as for the speeding ticket, I'm betting you abysmally failed the attitude test..

0800 tissue for you man

[smoky]

In respect of freedom ... I'd say NZ actually has a pretty good balance.
Better than most places, but room for improvement, our freedom is often limited by our interpretation and perspective of freedom; freedom to speak out 90% ok
freedom to get out and explore a fantastic country 80% ok, getting more difficult
freedom to travel 80%
But how do you rate our freedom of choice
and I do think some freedoms are more obtainable to the wealthy
But yes we do live in a predominately free world; once we reject the pull of the capitalist greed - the desire to have


but then the counter to that is people tend to vote for policy (i.e. the party( rather than personality (the person). Harry Dynhoven is case in point for me. GREAT guy - known him for years... but Labour policy? Nope! Not gettign my vote

It would be fine if the masses were actually interested in the facts, unfortunately elections become a popularity contest of personalities - a bit like a TV reality program




I think you'll find miscommunication happens in most spheres, with most languages to a minor degree at least.
I was more reflecting on how well our vocabulary has developed with words that may sound like a politician is agreeing with you - but words can have double meanings - and they use them well



To give up our illusions about human nature we must first be sure we have a complete and accurate perspective on it, which cannot be done through the eyes of any given individual unless they have a comprehensive understanding of their personal bias, inclination to filter information,
I have no illusions about that

[atothek]

seems like a lot of people are forgetting the simple truth that members of the police are people like anyone else. in any proffession their will be a certain percentage of assholes. the problem with the police is that they are constantly under the microscope so any time someone feels they have been unjustly pinged for something they immediately point the finger and complain that 'someone somewhere was doing something worse than me (beating wife, child etc) so the police are only revenue collecting if they have all this spare time to enforce the traffic laws'.

They quickly forget a few pertinent facts - they broke the law - small or big it was broken and the easiest way to avoid getting a speeding ticket is not to drive faster than the posted limit. black and white. if you want the law changed there are methods to get this done, if it's too much effort then maybe you're not that commited to your cause. Just because there is a 'national police shortage' it doesn't mean that every district is short. So if there is a rape in the other end of the country at the same time you got your ticket it's not likely the cop will race off to attend. In saying that just because there is a backlog of other types of crime doesn't mean they pull everyone off traffic. I don't think calling him a wanker for giving you a ticket, however close to the speed sign he got it, is justified. He's doing his job, just because you were not on the side of his descrestion you wanted to be doesn't automatically make him a bad dude. You were completely in control of the outcome in this instance as you have said and so you are fully to blame for it. It is irrelevant if you think he should have better things to do as his boss obviously dissagreed with you. If you want to change the way the Police carry out their duties, join up and get promoted through the ranks to commisioner and you might have some pull.

[enigma51]

seems like a lot of people are forgetting the simple truth that members of the police are people like anyone else. in any proffession their will be a certain percentage of assholes. the problem with the police is that they are constantly under the microscope so any time someone feels they have been unjustly pinged for something they immediately point the finger and complain that 'someone somewhere was doing something worse than me (beating wife, child etc) so the police are only revenue collecting if they have all this spare time to enforce the traffic laws'.

They quickly forget a few pertinent facts - they broke the law - small or big it was broken and the easiest way to avoid getting a speeding ticket is not to drive faster than the posted limit. black and white. if you want the law changed there are methods to get this done, if it's too much effort then maybe you're not that commited to your cause. Just because there is a 'national police shortage' it doesn't mean that every district is short. So if there is a rape in the other end of the country at the same time you got your ticket it's not likely the cop will race off to attend. In saying that just because there is a backlog of other types of crime doesn't mean they pull everyone off traffic. I don't think calling him a wanker for giving you a ticket, however close to the speed sign he got it, is justified. He's doing his job, just because you were not on the side of his descrestion you wanted to be doesn't automatically make him a bad dude. You were completely in control of the outcome in this instance as you have said and so you are fully to blame for it. It is irrelevant if you think he should have better things to do as his boss obviously dissagreed with you. If you want to change the way the Police carry out their duties, join up and get promoted through the ranks to commisioner and you might have some pull.

Like boomer would say



your wrong.

[Maha]

seems like a lot of people are forgetting the simple truth that members of the police are people like anyone else. in any proffession their will be a certain percentage of assholes. the problem with the police is that they are constantly under the microscope so any time someone feels they have been unjustly pinged for something they immediately point the finger and complain that 'someone somewhere was doing something worse than me (beating wife, child etc) so the police are only revenue collecting if they have all this spare time to enforce the traffic laws'.

They quickly forget a few pertinent facts - they broke the law - small or big it was broken and the easiest way to avoid getting a speeding ticket is not to drive faster than the posted limit. black and white. if you want the law changed there are methods to get this done, if it's too much effort then maybe you're not that commited to your cause. Just because there is a 'national police shortage' it doesn't mean that every district is short. So if there is a rape in the other end of the country at the same time you got your ticket it's not likely the cop will race off to attend. In saying that just because there is a backlog of other types of crime doesn't mean they pull everyone off traffic. I don't think calling him a wanker for giving you a ticket, however close to the speed sign he got it, is justified. He's doing his job, just because you were not on the side of his descrestion you wanted to be doesn't automatically make him a bad dude. You were completely in control of the outcome in this instance as you have said and so you are fully to blame for it. It is irrelevant if you think he should have better things to do as his boss obviously dissagreed with you. If you want to change the way the Police carry out their duties, join up and get promoted through the ranks to commisioner and you might have some pull.

This could have been a very short thread had this post been post #2.

Unlike what Boomer would say.

You're right.

[Katman]

And you do realise I'm a gay man, of Maori decent, with an asian boyfriend?



I don't believe you're a Maori.

[boomer]

I don't believe you're a Maori.
he swears, thieves and eats like one... :sick:

[enigma51]

he swears, thieves and eats like one... :sick:

Hide your dog


or is that tongan

[boomer]

Hide your dog


or is that tongan


its fookin south of teh equator bro !

[enigma51]

its fookin south of teh equator bro !

Is that why its so dark

[boomer]

Is that why its so dark


Darkies every fookin where !


( best africanz accent )Make 'em go POP ! ( best africanz accent )

[Drew]

I don't believe you're a Maori.If I am, I will still pay for my education/health care/residence. So dont be a hater man.


he swears, thieves and eats like one... :sick:When have we had a meal together cuz?

[boomer]

If I am, I will still pay for my education/health care/residence. So dont be a hater man.

When have we had a meal together cuz?

the bar at Taupo

[Drew]

the bar at Taupo

Oh yeah. I used a knife and fork, what bloody more do ya want?

[dpex]

Got a ticket yesterday; that makes 9 in 20 years

I was heading home from work, down thru Huntly toward Hamilton
been past the township, past the quarry, 200 meters from the open road signs in a 70k area - see the cop on the other side of the road, check the speedo - 80ish Klm/Hr

I thought I'd be ok, being so close to the open road sign and all, but no

pulled over and fined for 84 klm/hr, $80
And wouldn't ya know it - my WOF was over due by two weeks - fine of $200 (it was booked in to be done - along with a service next week)
Went to the nearest testing station before they closed and got the WOF, so hopefully won't have to pay the $200

I'd been doing around 70 all the way along that overly extended limited speed area thru Huntly (behaving myself) and was merely slowly increasing my speed toward the open road - I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police. It could've been palatable if there was a school nearby, an intersection, lots of traffic or some other potential hazard? But there's not. what an arsehole

My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

I had a similar and decided to fight it in court.

In my case, I'd been dogged by a bloody great truck for the previous 25K's.

I even got the cop to admit, in court, that he had to step out of the truck's path as it passed, some thirty seconds after I had stopped.

So off to court I went with measurements of the road, the distances between the signs and the hill beyond, copious data on the workings of the Stalker radar.

I even managed to get a white-board into court so I could lay it out for the Judge.

Chortle. The issue I hadn't factored was the Judge in the Huntly District Court. It turns out she was just a JP...her official title being 'Community Judge'. Yeah right. A JP.

And so, there I was, drawing my issues on the whiteboard, explaining how the Stalker Radar will always pick up a huge target instead of a small. I explained the geometry, the trigonometry, and the ground-effect propensity of 36Ghz radar signals, and how the truck behind me, being 8M square, and made of steel presented a far greater target than a bike, with no flat steel parts, covered in rounded plastic fairings, atop which was a rider dressed in leathers, made a far better target.

I presented all of this in unequivocal, mathematical fact. Did I win?

Nope.

The JP asserted the math was far beyond her understanding and that she had to trust the police.

You see how this worked? She admitted being a mathematical dunce and just chose the easy route.

Mind you, if a bunch of folk can get off a manslaughter charge, on account of the judge asserted that witchcraft is a perfectly acceptable reason for drowning a woman, I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised that the Huntly Court JP "didn't understand the math."

[avgas]

WTF Hyosung riders......where has all the waving gone?

[Patrick]

WTF Hyosung riders......where has all the waving gone?

Should we be waving?

[caseye]

This could have been a very short thread had this post been post #2.

Unlike what Boomer would say.

You're right.

Ha ha nicely said Maha.But with the dogged tenacity of this smokey fella, maybe not???

[smoky]

The issue I hadn't factored was the Judge in the Huntly District Court. It turns out she was just a JP...her official title being 'Community Judge'. Yeah right. A JP.

The JP asserted the math was far beyond her understanding and that she had to trust the police.

You see how this worked? She admitted being a mathematical dunce and just chose the easy route.

Huntly District Court has the worst reputation for very inadequate judges, adjudicators and JP's, they have such a poor understanding of their job. But what's worse they sit down with the likes of the police prosecutor, and old prick called Gulliver, and work out the how to screw over anyone who appears to defend any charges - it's a sham
This Gullivar also schools up young officers on what to say, even if it means bending the truth to win
People who think our Police and courts are fair - just have no idea, and live in a delusion only the white middle class can afford

[boomer]

Huntly District Court has the worst reputation for very inadequate judges, adjudicators and JP's, they have such a poor understanding of their job. But what's worse they sit down with the likes of the police prosecutor, and old prick called Gulliver, and work out the how to screw over anyone who appears to defend any charges - it's a sham
This Gullivar also schools up young officers on what to say, even if it means bending the truth to win
Police who think our Police and courts are fair - just have no idea, and live in a delusion only the white middle class can afford


burn him !

[Kickaha]

burn him !

Are we allowed to use an accelerant?

[smoky]

Are we allowed to use an accelerant?

not until you're out of the limited speed zone

[MaxB]

Huntly District Court has the worst reputation for very inadequate judges, adjudicators and JP's, they have such a poor understanding of their job. But what's worse they sit down with the likes of the police prosecutor, and old prick called Gulliver, and work out the how to screw over anyone who appears to defend any charges - it's a sham
This Gullivar also schools up young officers on what to say, even if it means bending the truth to win
People who think our Police and courts are fair - just have no idea, and live in a delusion only the white middle class can afford

Sounds like the Dukes of Hazzard. Got any red yank tanks with Confederate flags down there?

[boomer]

not until you're out of the limited speed zone

well you can, just make sure your WOF is upto date and you have a attitude adjustment.

[scracha]

To put it a different way, I know a few people around here in the real world, could one of those people please post when they last had a political conversation with me?


Y'mean that was just pillow talk?



Are we allowed to use an accelerant?

Yes, just not in an "unnecessary" fashion.

(otherwise you'll get prosecuted for unnecessary acceleration)







I'll get my coat.

[Patrick]

So Smokey.........

Have ya got your answer yet?

The line has been drawn at the post.... You were 200 metres shy... Or was it 220?

[boomer]

So Smokey.........

Have ya got your answer yet?

The line has been drawn at the post.... You were 200 metres shy... Or was it 220?


lol.. i think u missed the point?! or in reality DID HE?!

[MSTRS]

So Smokey.........

Have ya got your answer yet?

The line has been drawn at the post.... You were 200 metres shy... Or was it 220?

Now that is just cruel. Surely you could have exercised some discretion...

[Patrick]

lol.. i think u missed the point?! or in reality DID HE?!

You're wrong... :sunny:


Now that is just cruel. Surely you could have exercised some discretion...

As someone said earlier, how far back does the line go? To the shops? The school? the houses nearby? Or at the speed sign mark....?<_<

[boomer]

You're wrong... :sunny:



As someone said earlier, how far back does the line go? To the shops? The school? the houses nearby? Or at the speed sign mark....?<_<

to the point at which hes shown leniency.. are you stupid or something??!!!!!!



:rofl:

[Drew]

to the point at which hes shown leniency.. are you stupid or something??!!!!!!



:rofl:

You're wrong.

It's to the point he's shown leniency in the past, so as not to be inconsistent.

[short-circuit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

[smoky]

You halfwitted assmonkeys still hanging around this thread??

[short-circuit]

You halfwitted assmonkeys still hanging around this thread??

I check in from time to time to throw them a few peanuts

[Drew]

You halfwitted assmonkeys still hanging around this thread??It's just a fill in now.


I check in from time to time to throw them a few peanutsNo one takes sweets or peanuts from you, we know it comes at a hefty price.

[short-circuit]

No one takes sweets or peanuts from you, we know it comes at a hefty price.

You know it bitches

[chef]

its kinda sad were letting our minds go crazy over the police ha. 300+ posts darn do we all really dislike them so much?

[caseye]

No we don't just some few who can't see the wood for the trees or allow that Police are peole too.

[MSTRS]

its kinda sad were letting our minds go crazy over the police ha. 300+ posts darn do we all really dislike them so much?
Yes...

No we don't just some few who can't see the wood for the trees or allow that Police are peole too.

You're wrong...

:whistle:

[Drew]

You're wrong...

:whistle:

That is gonna catch on wickedly.

[caseye]

Eye yam???
How so?
Can we get another page or two outa this one or not?

[Drew]

Eye yam???
How so?
Can we get another page or two outa this one or not?

You're late!

[MSTRS]

You're late!

But he did get over the line. It's not a race, you know...

[Drew]

But he did get over the line. It's not a race, you know...

You're wrong!

[Patrick]

No one takes sweets or peanuts from you, we know it comes at a hefty price.

Gotta share the bling... blah blah...

LOL.

And I didn't know what else to say....

Just a donation toward those few more pages......

[MSTRS]

Gotta share the bling... blah blah...

Not like one of 'your lot' to be so generous...must be 'Discretion Friday'. :shifty:


And I didn't know what else to say.... But you still said it anyway. In true KB fashion...



Just a donation toward those few more pages......OI...that'll be enough talk of 'donations'. Especially in a thread like this...

[caseye]

Yep ya never know what that could come! too.
Oh and "yer worng!"

[LilSel]

OI...that'll be enough talk of 'donations'.

Lol, I made one last week :blink: opps!!

[kiwifruit]

Lol, I made one last week :blink: opps!!

Slow down rossi

[LilSel]

Slow down rossi

Just a little one :) $80!! Ain't no rossi by any means! I couldnt actually tell that it was a police car behind me as was one of the new ones with the little lights, was wondering for a few km's if it was or not :mellow:

[rebyl]

I assume that you PASSED the ATTITUDE TEST...if you give them grief then you are screwed...no matter how right you think you are:shutup:

[scumdog]

I assume that you PASSED the ATTITUDE TEST...if you give them grief then you are screwed...no matter how right you think you are:shutup:

Bullshit! (ok, you know what I mean..)

I have 'backed down' when I realised I have made an an 'oops' (an understandable mistake) and apologised where needed.

And everybody that I was dealing with at the time accepted it.

Mostly we both laughed about it.

[carver]

what did you stop for?

[98tls]

Bullshit! (ok, you know what I mean..)

I have 'backed down' when I realised I have made an an 'oops' (an understandable mistake) and apologised where needed.

And everybody that I was dealing with at the time accepted it.

Mostly we both laughed about it. You still havent apologised for walkin round in ya undies Sunday morning at the Magpie:blink:surely a mistake?no it wasnt funny:no:i was feeling seedy enough without seeing that first thing.:blink:

[SixPackBack]

what did you stop for?


........Indeed, the question on every ones mind?:shutup:

[ready4whatever]

he was having a bad day.

i hear you can speed when its raining and some cops dont pull you up because they dont wanna get wet

[scumdog]

You still havent apologised for walkin round in ya undies Sunday morning at the Magpie:blink:surely a mistake?no it wasnt funny:no:i was feeling seedy enough without seeing that first thing.:blink:
Count yerself lucky that I even put my Y-fronts on:shutup:

And I apologise for upstaging your Sunday morning seedy appearance.:sick:

[98tls]

Count yerself lucky that I even put my Y-fronts on:shutup:

And I apologise for upstaging your Sunday morning seedy appearance.:sick: Yea well when you look at it like that i guess i got away lightly.:shifty:

[scumdog]

Yea well when you look at it like that i guess i got away lightly.:shifty:

Could do the same for ya this year to if ya want??:lol::2thumbsup

As the thread title says: 'NZ Police -m why do they do it'

We do it to please people like you Mike!:laugh:

[98tls]

Could do the same for ya this year to if ya want??:lol::2thumbsup

As the thread title says: 'NZ Police -m why do they do it'

We do it to please people like you Mike!:laugh:
Note to self "dont forget sunglasses".Those pins of yours are pretty bright.

[scumdog]

Note to self "dont forget sunglasses".Those pins of yours are pretty bright.

Ferk, that $2:80 I spent for the sun-bed time was wasted then eh??

[98tls]

Ferk, that $2:80 I spent for the sun-bed time was wasted then eh?? How bout this year for a change CB does the undie walk?:stoogie:Be much easier on the eye.

[scumdog]

How bout this year for a change CB does the undie walk?:stoogie:Be much easier on the eye.


My Y-fronts don't fit her - well that what she says..

[98tls]

My Y-fronts don't fit her - well that what she says.. :Offtopic:Theres no requirement for well fitting undies.Speaking of Off topic.........

[scumdog]

:Offtopic:Theres no requirement for well fitting undies.Speaking of Off topic.........


It's OK, it's only KB and SikPokBerk....:laugh::Offtopic::dodge:

[McJim]

Hmmmm. I;ve been riding or driving since 1987 and haven't had a single ticket anywhere...ever....I've never driven a vehicle without the appropriate tax/rego/insurance for the country I was in either.

Isn' it funny I've never had a fine? Weird that. you must just be getting all of mine dude. Oops - sorry, I forgot - If you obey the law they don't fine you.

Funny dat.

[98tls]

Hmmmm. I;ve been riding or driving since 1987 and haven't had a single ticket anywhere...ever....I've never driven a vehicle without the appropriate tax/rego/insurance for the country I was in either.

Isn' it funny I've never had a fine? Weird that. you must just be getting all of mine dude. Oops - sorry, I forgot - If you obey the law they don't fine you.

Funny dat. Tell me bout that Hedgehog theory again mate.

[McJim]

Tell me bout that Hedgehog theory again mate.

Y'don't see too many Reliant Robins around these days bro'

[meowmix]

Sorry if its been posted, but this is an interesting point.
Speed enforcement guide (http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2005/speed-enforcement-guide/index.html)
It says "When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are exceptional circumstances..."
Wonder if it works the other way.

[Virago]

No it doesn't, as has been pointed out several times throughout the thread.

[scumdog]

Sorry if its been posted, but this is an interesting point.
Speed enforcement guide (http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2005/speed-enforcement-guide/index.html)
It says "When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are exceptional circumstances..."
Wonder if it works the other way.

No.

It's fair to allow people to slow down entering a slower area.

But why should they be allowed to wind-up when they know they are still in the lower speed area??

[McJim]

No.

It's fair to allow people to slow down entering a slower area.

But why should they be allowed to wind-up when they know they are still in the lower speed area??

Is it about being fair though? The rules are there, having a licence shows you know the rules or at least knew them at the time of sitting your test. You break 'em then it's a fair cop. If I'm playing rugby and get tackled high I expect the rules to be enforced and the ofending player to get his arse felt.

Rules are rules - introduce grey areas and everyone gets confused.

[meowmix]

If I'm playing rugby and get tackled high I expect the rules to be enforced and the ofending player to get his arse felt.

I'd expect the same. But a I wouldn't expect such strict enforcement for something like a slight offside that didn't cause any damage or harm, and didn't affect the outcome of the game.

[scumdog]

I'd expect the same. But a I wouldn't expect such strict enforcement for something like a slight offside that didn't cause any damage or harm, and didn't affect the outcome of the game.

True.

But that 'slight offside' on the road can cause carnage like ya wouldn't believe....

[boomer]

True.

But that 'slight offside' on the road can cause carnage like ya wouldn't believe....

like what we've seen here, in this thread!

[McJim]

I'd expect the same. But a I wouldn't expect such strict enforcement for something like a slight offside that didn't cause any damage or harm, and didn't affect the outcome of the game.

Yeah - I used to deal with minor infractions using a piece of 2 x 2 across the back of the fucker's head after the game.