NZ Police - why do they do it?

[smoky]

Got a ticket yesterday; that makes 9 in 20 years

I was heading home from work, down thru Huntly toward Hamilton
been past the township, past the quarry, 200 meters from the open road signs in a 70k area - see the cop on the other side of the road, check the speedo - 80ish Klm/Hr

I thought I'd be ok, being so close to the open road sign and all, but no

pulled over and fined for 84 klm/hr, $80
And wouldn't ya know it - my WOF was over due by two weeks - fine of $200 (it was booked in to be done - along with a service next week)
Went to the nearest testing station before they closed and got the WOF, so hopefully won't have to pay the $200

I'd been doing around 70 all the way along that overly extended limited speed area thru Huntly (behaving myself) and was merely slowly increasing my speed toward the open road - I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police. It could've been palatable if there was a school nearby, an intersection, lots of traffic or some other potential hazard? But there's not. what an arsehole

My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

[Oakie]

Pot - Kettle ... I know I do the same myself but if you want to be annoyed, be annoyed with yourself for breaking the law, not the cops for enforcing the law.

[kiwifruit]

Slow down rossi

[Indiana_Jones]

What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

About as much as they're going to achieve trying to ban 'pistol grips' on our guns......

They're on a power trip and they fucking love it.

-Indy

[Ixion]

<!-- / message --><!-- controls --> What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

'S obvious, surely? Revenue.

[p.dath]

When I originally did my licence I was told it wsa okay to speed up at that point. So I have to say I'm guilty of doing that all the time. Once I see the 100Km/h sign I start speeding up.

Must try and re-train myself to wait until I am at the sign.

[Virago]

The Plod generally allow a 200m discretionary margin, for people slowing down as they enter a lower speed area. But for people speeding up before they get to a higher speed limit - no excuse.

Operating a vehicle without a WOF - again no excuse.

You took your chances and got pinged. Accept it and move on.

[smoky]

Pot - Kettle ... I know I do the same myself but if you want to be annoyed, be annoyed with yourself for breaking the law, not the cops for enforcing the law.

But for people speeding up before they get to a higher speed limit - no excuse.

..... Accept it and move on.

Nah - It's not the fact I got caught for speeding that irks me, it's the attitude of enforcing the strict letter of the law for no apparent logical outcome - I am fining you because I can, thats all.

If I only got caught for no WOF, I wouldn't be moaning about it - that was fair enough, and it was only two weeks out, and I got a new one and won't have to pay the fine - I have no issue with all that.

[MSTRS]

Fish in a barrel...why do you think the cops sit in places like that?
Oh..and on the subject of 200m after a slower speed sign...DISCRETIONARY is the keyword.

[saltydog]

Slow down rossi

Geeze mate, why dont you pay the fine for him?!
You've obviously never exceeded the prescribed speed limit then?

[kiwifruit]

Geeze mate, why dont you pay the fine for him?!
You've obviously never exceeded the prescribed speed limit then?

Why should I, mate?

Yes, i have. Fortunately i've learnt my lesson :msn-wink:

[scumdog]

Nah - It's not the fact I got caught for speeding that irks me, it's the attitude of enforcing the strict letter of the law for no apparent logical outcome

So how fast DO you think you should be allowed to go before getting a ticket???

[smoky]

...DISCRETIONARY is the keyword.

There's no such thing as discretionary when you have quotas to fill, and a fall in revenue. When your boss's KPI's are measured by those, you tend to please your boss before pleasing the public - after all he pays you, he promotes you.

I learnt years ago about the 'attitude' test - I know how to play the game, it doesn't work when the officer has been told he hasn't meet his targets this month.

[short-circuit]

So how fast DO you think you should be allowed to go before getting a ticket???

You're surely not gonna try and defend this? It's practically entrapment for the purpose of revenue gathering only - nothing too do with road safety

[saltydog]

Fortunately i've learnt my lesson :msn-wink:

And he just has as well.
You the type of fella that would call for the salt after a good whipping?

[saltydog]

So how fast DO you think you should be allowed to go before getting a ticket???

Speed cameras are set to go off if a vehicle exceeds the prescribed limit by 11 km/h.
So then he'd still be snapped as was doing 84. (discretion dicitates 81)

[SMOKEU]

Just bad luck really, once I was bouncing off the speed limiter in front of a traffic cop and he didn't even pull me over, yet another time I wasn't doing anything wrong and on come the red and blues.

[MSTRS]

There's no such thing as discretionary when you have quotas to fill, and a fall in revenue. When your boss's KPI's are measured by those, you tend to please your boss before pleasing the public - after all he pays you, he promotes you.

I learnt years ago about the 'attitude' test - I know how to play the game, it doesn't work when the officer has been told he hasn't meet his targets this month.

And your point is...?
Nowhere in the word 'discretionary' does it suggest you will get off. But as long as the term is used, it gives (false) hope to the public.

[smoky]

So how fast DO you think you should be allowed to go before getting a ticket???

Thats not my point;
Ask yourself scumdaog, would you pull someone for 84klm/hr 200 meters for the open road sign?

But actually on some of our roads I do think we could look at 120 klm/hr speed limit, especially duel carriageways , motorways and so on - but thats a different subject

[scumdog]

Thats not my point;
Ask yourself scumdaog, would you pull someone for 84klm/hr 200 meters for the open road sign?

But actually on some of our roads I do think we could look at 120 klm/hr speed limit, especially duel carriageways , motorways and so on - but thats a different subject

OK, me? - maybe not 200 metres before the sign (even though technically it's still:nono:) but were you actually that close?

And our 'official' discretion is for vehicles heading into a lower speed zone - not leaving it FYI.

[smoky]

And your point is...?
Nowhere in the word 'discretionary' does it suggest you will get off. But as long as the term is used, it gives (false) hope to the public.
you raised the point you goose



Oh..and on the subject of 200m after a slower speed sign...DISCRETIONARY is the keyword.

[Virago]

Nah - It's not the fact I got caught for speeding that irks me, it's the attitude of enforcing the strict letter of the law for no apparent logical outcome...

So doing 84k in a 70k area is quite acceptable then? No safety issues involved?


You're surely not gonna try and defend this? It's practically entrapment for the purpose of revenue gathering only - nothing too do with road safety

Yep, the cop forced him to do it...

[short-circuit]

Yep, the cop forced him to do it...

Just like sitting at the end of passing lanes etc. You wanna argue semantics or talk common sense?

[smoky]

but were you actually that close?


Yea I was - south bound out of Huntly, come around a slight left hander past the quarry, just opposite the layby lane where the last lot of houses are, and you can see the open road sign, and the road opens up into double lanes.

Then there's the Police car, lights on, after working out he was after me, I pull in about 500 meters on the open road side of the sign

[smoky]

So doing 84k in a 70k area is quite acceptable then? No safety issues involved?..

Again that's not the point - you should be a cop, you have the same dick head jobsworth mentality as he had.
Can't you think a bit more logically than that?
Think about how your reputation is damaged in the eyes of the public when you become anally attentive to the letter of the law rather than the sensible reasonable enforcement of it.
How the public are loosing respect for the uniform, when you throw you weight around like Nazi's

[James Deuce]

It's entirely the point and I'm struggling to get yours. You got pinged for breaking a well understood and documented law and now you're having a cry?

[mowgli]

Yea I was - south bound out of Huntly, come around a slight left hander past the quarry, just opposite the layby lane where the last lot of houses are, and you can see the open road sign, and the road opens up into double lanes.
Perhaps he assumed you were doing that speed all the way along the 70 zone. Police radar isn't accurate around corners so he may not have witnessed you speed up. Was he parked (fishing) or moving (dumb luck)?

[Virago]

...come around a slight left hander past the quarry, just opposite the layby lane where the last lot of houses are...

There's your answer. You might have trouble explaining to John and Jane Smith, who live in one of those houses with their two little kiddies, why you think it's safe to speed past their house. Or are they just dickheads too?

[MSTRS]

Again that's not the point - you should be a cop, you have the same dick head jobsworth mentality as he had.
Can't you think a bit more logically than that?
Think about how your reputation is damaged in the eyes of the public when you become anally attentive to the letter of the law rather than the sensible reasonable enforcement of it.
How the public are loosing respect for the uniform, when you throw you weight around like Nazi's

Does your cause no favours by insulting folks on here.
Perhaps the cop was being a nazi about it - don't know, wasn't there. That is his job after all. He is tasked with catching transgressors of the road rules. He 'may' choose to apply some discretion. Or not. Just as you may choose to obey the letter of the law. Or not.

[enigma51]

Im with mr fruit the road is not a race track. SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.

[Kendog]

You post on here like a 12 year old kid that was told off by his mummy.

You broke the speed limit, you got a ticket.

You rode without a warrant, you got a fine.

Sounds fair to me.

[ynot slow]

Can understand the slowing down within 200mt inside say 100km to 50km,coming into Eltham from New Plymouth is an example,but not really an escuse to speed up 200mts from open highway limit,afterall we are supposed to be obeying the limit till we can reach the 100km zone.

Annoying at getting caught is why we get pissed off,but maybe we win some lose some.

[rickstv]

It's possible the policeman may have used his discretion had your warrant been current, also how accurat is your speedo.? If you were clocked at 84 then probably your speedo may have been indicating 90ish not 80ish. Just food for thought.
Rick.

[Molly]

I'm with you on this Smoky. Sometimes it really is a bullshit ticket and the discretion they apply makes it all the more bollocks. Met someone recently who got let off for 140+ after she said she had been having problems with the bike and was just 'running it up through the gears' whilst I get pinged for 117 in the middle of nowhere. Not a farm gate or property as far as the eye could see, on flat plains with total visibility in all directions (except for the cop car tight in behind the approaching truck).

There's enough shit driving on NZ roads for them to ignore what you and I were doing. But, again, it's revenue and some really do just f'kin' love it.

[Matt_TG]

If I were a cop I'd sit there and wait too. It's clear that some people think speed limits are only suggestions. Why spend petrol chasing offenders?

Revenue or not, it's the copper's job, and there's no shortage of people willing to help him out. He didn't set the speed limit and doesn't really give a rat's whether you think it should be safe at 84 ks, you're offending, and as a bonus had no warrant.

Ya reaps what ya sows.

[mowgli]

Reminds me of a proverb: “Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig likes it.”

Take your medicine and move on.

[Motu]

Huntly was targeted by a speed camera last week - 700 tickets in one 7 hour shift.The speed limit on the by pass is being revued,everyone speeds along there,and there are 60kph and 70kph limits being suggested.

[Disco Dan]

NZ Police - why do they do it?

Because you was speeding.

You break the law - get fined then whine about it???

[yungatart]

Why indeed?
In Police stations and A & E depts up and down the country there are probably cops and trauma teams asking the same question about speeding motorcyclists...

[Elysium]

:cry::whocares:

[oldrider]

It's all a bit like "rolling stops" at compulsory stops!

Like the Yoda said, either you do or you do not, nothing in between!

Cops are practising "zero tolerance"! (well, pretending to)

Exactly as the public have been demanding, following the (successful) example of New York City, Cops on crime!

I was warned by a Cop (116 kph) last fathers day and that left me feeling good about the Cops again. (funny that)

First time I have been pulled up on a bike since 1959, thought I was a goner too.

That warning meant more to me than any ticket he might have issued.

The Cop acted the way they (most of them) used to, (mutual respect) before all this Clark era revenue / quota bullshit began!

I do feel sorry for the Police though, they are under resourced and not supported by Justice, Legal or corrections departments, the government, media, or even the general public themselves!

They may be the meat in the sandwich but I still think they have the choice of which "grade" of meat they want be!

If what you say about the "risk" associated in the zone you were ticketed in, is true, then a "stern" warning would have been of greater value toward road safety!

Your perception of the Police would probably have been enhanced and your road behaviour probably improved! (well, for a little while anyway)

As we sow, then shall we reap! Works both ways! :Police: :ride: :niceone:

[meteor]

You're surely not gonna try and defend this? It's practically entrapment for the purpose of revenue gathering only - nothing too do with road safety

Entrapment? 84 in a 70 zone, well marked road and a cop there as well... how many clues does someone need? If people know they're doing something they shouldn't why must they bitch about it (and blame everyones else) when they get caught. Man up.

[Jizah]

I bet when the roading safety people actually decide on where to locate the sign posts indicating speed increases, they actually put it a bit further out to allow for this exact thing.

Disclaimer: I have lost bets before. This isn't fact.

[oldrider]

Entrapment? 84 in a 70 zone, well marked road and a cop there as well... how many clues does someone need? If people know they're doing something they shouldn't why must they bitch about it (and blame everyones else) when they get caught. Man up.

70 zone! I thought he was talking about an 80 zone! (note to self: Read posts more carefully :spanking:)

[Swoop]

...it gives (false) hope to the public.
Much like the "Independant police complaints authority".

[tri boy]

I'm with Smoky on this one.
That little piece of road is poorly mandated speed wise and........oh forget it. The "speed is bad brigade" will just argue it till next year.
Unlucky smoky.
(fucking highway snake needs to slither back to the doughnut shop)MHO

[Mom]

Not that long ago the speed restrictions were lowered all around our little town. Nowadays you are restricted to 80kph in almost every direction. The cops also police it strenuously. One particular road that I travel every day on the way to work has been lowered to 80kph. I have no idea why, it is an open, rural, back road. Nothing dangerous about it, no houses to speak of, in reasonable condition.

No consultation entered into that I was aware of, and now we have it. Nothing we can do about it, speed and get pinged. A perfectly good bit of tarmac, with a crazy speed limit all the way between Warkworth and Matakana. Through Matakana (50 kph) and then back on a road exactly the same as the one you have just been on, open road 100kph posted limit.

Still, it is posted, you obey it no matter how stupid it seems.

[RT527]

Im sorry but I find it Ironic that a bureaucrat as described in your profile would question an officer of the law, please....just what sought of bureaucracy are you in, ie what is your real job and is it something that if I owe you money would you show discretion and allow me to get away with out paying you???.
I see your point but dont agree with it, you broke the law and it was hard luck that you got pinged. Suck it up and move on.

[YellowDog]

This really does piss me off too. It has nothing at all to do with road safety, it is just the Police going after soft targets. It's easy money for them. You'll soon be able to buy shares in the highly profitable Police force. If every cop covers thier salary x 5, your shares will go through the roof.

I got clocked doing 130kph and a $235 fine. All I was doing was overtaking the last car at the end of the passing lane before slowing back down to 109.

It's becoming a Police state!

But seriously, it really is quite trivial and annoying. It just makes you wonder why more priority isn't given to road safety by removing dangerous drivers from the road. By stopping striaght line speeders who are a few Ks over the limit; all they are doing is showing their attempts to address this serious problem are failing. i.e. The seriously dangerous hoons are getting less attention due to the net being too widely spread (getting everyone else).

[Squiggles]

The Plod generally allow a 200m discretionary margin, for people slowing down as they enter a lower speed area. But for people speeding up before they get to a higher speed limit - no excuse.

Operating a vehicle without a WOF - again no excuse.

You took your chances and got pinged. Accept it and move on.

Yup


It's not the fact I got caught for speeding that irks me, it's the attitude of enforcing the strict letter of the law for no apparent logical outcome - I am fining you because I can, thats all.

Say wha?

[Stormer]

Get yourself a top of the line radar detector, use your eyes, and trust your instincts...it`s about all you can do.
Oh, and apart from obeying the speed limit to the last decimal point, like half the law abiding drones around here.

[YellowDog]

Get yourself a top of the line radar detector, use your eyes, and trust your instincts...it`s about all you can do.
Oh, and apart from obeying the speed limit to the last decimal point, like half the law abiding drones around here.
Those will be outlawed soon and I don't see why you should have to get one.

[Stormer]

Those will be outlawed soon and I don't see why you should have to get one.

Which...the radar detector, your eyes, or your instincts??

"I`m sorry sir, but you have used your instincts...that will be a $180 fine, demerits, blah, blah, blah..."

[Donor]

You're surely not gonna try and defend this? It's practically entrapment...

Well, from a random 'merkin law site (since I couldn't find a relevant kiwi legal definition) we read:


ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

So, how exactly did this malicious revenue gatherer our poor victim into speeding?

He did the speed.

He got a ticket.

Cry me a river, a lesson has (once again) been learned!

Forgive me if I missed something in road usage 101 but the speed limit signs are from when you have passed them NOT when you are approaching them!

Clearly the lagers I have consumed this afternoon are clouding my thought processes, I better go for a ride, as clearly there was a police officer pouring the amber goodness down my neck... :drinkup:

See: http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm for further reading from said 'merkin web site.

[rebel]

Blatant revenue raising (the speeding ticket, fair game on the WOF). Right before a passing lane too, an easy place to catch innocent motorists and pull the speeding guilt trip on them.
For fucks sake its Huntly, surely there are more productive policing to do around that shithole.

Was driving down SH27 yesterday north of Matamata and saw one who had pulled over a ute just outside of a 70kmh roadworks zone (ghost road works) near Tahuna turn off. Not a worker in sight, the only difference was the fact cones were placed in the safety shoulder, yet we have to slow down to 70 kays for 2-3km?! Hopefully the cop was giving him a 'warning' but as we all know common sense isn't too common these days so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[crazyhorse]

That's sad for you - I've been fortunate as I've only had 2 tickets in my life - but then again, I better not jinx it :spanking:

[Blackbird]

On occasions, we all use an approaching speed restriction sign (in or out) in a discretionary manner to roll on or off the throttle. As others have pointed out, the key word here is discretionary, both from the viewpoint of the offender and the police, even if the law is quite clear. Whether some speed limits and sign positions at a particular location need reviewing or not is a completely separate issue.

I'm certainly not being sanctimonius; have had a few speeding tickets and deserved them. On the flip side, I've had just a flash of headlights from the law when I thought I'd be walking home due to almost unbelievable discretion on the cop's part too. Got away with far more than I deserve so can hardly complain if I do get pulled - Karma at work! I suspect that this applies to you too Smoky :innocent:

Edit addition: I once got the mother and father of a bollocking from a cop just outside Rotorua. I came flying round a corner and he was busy booking a car driver. He was out of the car, hadn't got my speed but knew I was well above the limit. Pulled me over then tore real strips off me when he had finished with the car. At he end of the reaming out, he told me he'd attended a fatal bike accident at the same spot the previous day and had been to deliver the news to the kid's parents in the small hours. He was still pretty upset and although that bollocking was over 20 years ago, it's just like it happened yesterday.

[tigertim20]

Nah - It's not the fact I got caught for speeding that irks me, it's the attitude of enforcing the strict letter of the law for no apparent logical outcome - I am fining you because I can, thats all.



The thing is, the law is Black and white. There are no grey areas, the law only changes when the circumstances change. Cops can occaisionally see the "grey area" that you and I think exists, but he doesnt have to. Get over it, you knew you were quicker than you shouldve been, take it like a man!


Thats not my point;
Ask yourself scumdaog, would you pull someone for 84klm/hr 200 meters for the open road sign?
again, can you not simply accept that you were in fact over the limit? I speed to, knowingly, from time to time, but do it with it in mind that if I get a ticket, I wil take it without crying.

But actually on some of our roads I do think we could look at 120 klm/hr speed limit, especially duel carriageways , motorways and so on - but thats a different subject
That I do agree with, but like you said another story


Again that's not the point - you should be a cop, you have the same dick head jobsworth mentality as he had.
Can't you think a bit more logically than that?
Think about how your reputation is damaged in the eyes of the public when you become anally attentive to the letter of the law rather than the sensible reasonable enforcement of it.
How the public are loosing respect for the uniform, when you throw you weight around like Nazi's
Think how anal the community gets when the cop admits that he DIDNT pull you over for speeding, miutes before you kill someones kid cos you were doing 85 instead of 70 and couldnt stop in time?


I'm with Smoky on this one.
That little piece of road is poorly mandated speed wise and........oh forget it. The "speed is bad brigade" will just argue it till next year.
Unlucky smoky.
(fucking highway snake needs to slither back to the doughnut shop)MHO

It isnt a 'speed is bad", I (sorry if I did miss it being said) dont recall anyone saying that, they have simply said that he knowingly chose to speed, so he shouldnt be crying about it

[Virago]

...Think how anal the community gets when the cop admits that he DIDNT pull you over for speeding, miutes before you kill someones kid cos you were doing 85 instead of 70 and couldnt stop in time?..

Bingo. Speeding in a residential area - no discretion, no sympathy.

[scumdog]

Any chance there could be a special 'Cop Bashing' section or sticky?

It would make it easier for me to find my entertainment:devil2:

[short-circuit]

Well, from a random 'merkin law site (since I couldn't find a relevant kiwi legal definition) we read:



So, how exactly did this malicious revenue gatherer our poor victim into speeding?

He did the speed.

He got a ticket.

Cry me a river, a lesson has (once again) been learned!

Forgive me if I missed something in road usage 101 but the speed limit signs are from when you have passed them NOT when you are approaching them!

Clearly the lagers I have consumed this afternoon are clouding my thought processes, I better go for a ride, as clearly there was a police officer pouring the amber goodness down my neck... :drinkup:

See: http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm for further reading from said 'merkin web site.

For the lagered and slightly less enlightened amongst us - the phraseology I used in my earlier post "practically entrapment" was not meant to be taken in a literal sense.

Get. Over. It.


Sitting on the skirts of a change of speed zone waiting to nab some bastard transitioning to an open road speed is as cynical as sitting just before a very short very badly designed passing lane runs out. It’s about quota nothing more nothing less.

Even worse than the kiwi tradition of “well it wasn’t me so who gives a fuck” are pricks who just can’t help but rub it in.

[Drew]

I cannot believe I'm saying this, but the speed limit signs are positioned where they are, because that is where you are allowed to do those speeds.

"I was nearly at the open road sign", is as piss weak an excuse as, "I nearly stopped at the intersection where I ran that kid over".

I've sped, and accepted the consequences of it. I have also received tickets I think were un-warranted, but thems the breaks.

Bottom line, harden the fuck up, because you fucked up.

Drew

[short-circuit]

Any chance there could be a special 'Cop Bashing' section or sticky?

See Virago's no discretion/no sympathy comment

[Madness]

Roll on summer is all I can say.

[smoky]

It's entirely the point and I'm struggling to get yours. You got pinged for breaking a well understood and documented law and now you're having a cry?

Not having a cry (I take it you actually read my post)

I just think that the general public expect policing of our laws to be carried out in a fair minded manner. Cops of the past use to be reasonable, what happened? Does what happened to me reflect the kind of police enforcment we want?
Personally I think there are a lot better things for cops to be doing than pulling over motorists doing 84 in a 70 zone 200 meters away from the open road

[smoky]

There's your answer. You might have trouble explaining to John and Jane Smith, who live in one of those houses with their two little kiddies, why you think it's safe to speed past their house. Or are they just dickheads too?
Actually I said the houses were down a layby .......I only mentioned them as a point of reference
They are not on the main road
I was not 'speeding' past any houses

[smoky]

Does your cause no favours by insulting folks on here.
It's KB - comes with the territory



.... He is tasked with catching transgressors of the road rules. He 'may' choose to apply some discretion. Or not. Just as you may choose to obey the letter of the law. Or not.

Again - there is only one logical reason to be pinging people like this; quota

Unless he's just a wanker who gets off on throwing his wait around

You just need to ask your self - if I were a cop; would I have done that?

[smoky]

It's possible the policeman may have used his discretion had your warrant been current, also how accurat is your speedo.? If you were clocked at 84 then probably your speedo may have been indicating 90ish not 80ish. Just food for thought.
Rick.

Yep - maybe he wouldn't have fined me for the speed if my WOF was current
when I checked my speedo it was about 80 as in 81 or 82 - he said 84, not too far out

But my original point is; why police the speed limit 200 meters from the open road sign? Unless your just trying to get your quota ???

[Robbo]

Any chance there could be a special 'Cop Bashing' section or sticky?

It would make it easier for me to find my entertainment:devil2:

Here's one for you SD
Cheers :niceone:

[crazyhorse]

Guess we gotta pay their wages somehow..... maybe they should put in for a living allowance in WGTN when they got a house there too (YEAH RIGHT!!)

[smoky]

Im sorry but I find it Ironic that a bureaucrat as described in your profile would question an officer of the law, please....just what sought of bureaucracy are you in,

Why would you find that ironic?

[smoky]

Get yourself a top of the line radar detector, use your eyes, and trust your instincts...it`s about all you can do.
Oh, and apart from obeying the speed limit to the last decimal point, like half the law abiding drones around here.

I agree - The word 'hypocrite' come to mind
there are some who have posted on here who ride far quicker than I do, and spout on about slow down, obey the law, bla bla bla

Hypocrites

[Ixion]

The really amusing thing is the ones who have litre bikes, capable of 250kph+ , and spout on about "speed kills". Right, like they spent the money to buy a bike that can double the speed limt and some more, because?

[Biggles08]

If I were a cop I'd sit there and wait too. It's clear that some people think speed limits are only suggestions. Why spend petrol chasing offenders?

Revenue or not, it's the copper's job, and there's no shortage of people willing to help him out. He didn't set the speed limit and doesn't really give a rat's whether you think it should be safe at 84 ks, you're offending, and as a bonus had no warrant.

Ya reaps what ya sows.
You are actually quite correct here.....even if you are for a completely different reason than you thought. Basically you have suggested that some cop’s have an ‘attitude’ that seems to enjoy watching predominantly law abiding citizens squirm in awe at the mighty arm of the law. Some cops enjoy their jobs way too much...just like parking wardens. I say bring back real cops that like generally law abiding people...it should be a prerequisite for joining the force not something that seems to be brainwashed out of them at wellington in training!

[scumdog]

The really amusing thing is the ones who have litre bikes, capable of 250kph+ , and spout on about "speed kills". Right, like they spent the money to buy a bike that can double the speed limt and some more, because?

Same reason I bought an M16, cos I wanted one

Ain't littered with dead people around here - yet.....

[Metalor]

I have to say that the cop who gave you the ticket was just being a prick. Don't listen to the dickheads saying "you were breaking the law, deal with it."

When it comes down to it, you weren't doing anything dangerous to yourself or anyone else, but you'll do to help fill his quota.

The WOF issue is bullshit too. 2 weeks? Come one, give a guy a break. You'll get off that one though if you write a letter with a copy of your WOF and say you had it booked in.


I got pulled over on wednesday for doing 80 in a 50k zone. My fault, I was definitely in the wrong, took it on the chin. Warrant was out by 5 days and the copper was good enough to let that one slide.


Just depends on who you get on the day!

[Drew]

If I were a cop I'd sit there and wait too. It's clear that some people think speed limits are only suggestions. Why spend petrol chasing offenders?

Revenue or not, it's the copper's job, and there's no shortage of people willing to help him out. He didn't set the speed limit and doesn't really give a rat's whether you think it should be safe at 84 ks, you're offending, and as a bonus had no warrant.

Ya reaps what ya sows.

The police are actually not allowed to sit within 200 meters of a posted speed limit sign to ping people, I think you'll find.

[scumdog]

The WOF issue is bullshit too. 2 weeks? Come one, give a guy a break. You'll get off that one though if you write a letter with a copy of your WOF and say you had it booked in.!

Should have got compliance anyway.

Unless he talked himself out of it:whistle:

[scumdog]

The police are actually not allowed to sit within 200 meters of a posted speed limit sign to ping people, I think you'll find.

Realllyyyyy?????

[Elysium]

Come on Smoky, cheer/man up.

[Drew]

Realllyyyyy?????

So I was told by a nameless non-sworn. Your tone implies otherwise, (if tone can be read of course).

[SMOKEU]

The really amusing thing is the ones who have litre bikes, capable of 250kph+ , and spout on about "speed kills". Right, like they spent the money to buy a bike that can double the speed limt and some more, because?

You're right, people shouldn't be saying "don't speed" if they ride anything faster than a GN250. There is no point buying a fast bike if you're not going to exceed any speed limits.

[Biggles08]

You're right, people shouldn't be saying "don't speed" if they ride anything faster than a GN250. There is no point buying a fast bike if you're not going to exceed any speed limits.

And that is why Clubmans class / Track days should be frequented wayyyyyy more often! Checkout Redline Trackdays this summer for your 'speed' buzz boys and girls! Too many fuckwit cops and dickhead drivers on the public roads...and the way things are going with stupid regulations its only going to get worse!

[mapsanji]

Got pulled over by a cop today, just a routine check I nearly shat myself, first time in 2 yrs....:sweatdrop well lucky me he couldn't find anything wrong:beer:

[marty]

Got a ticket yesterday; that makes 9 in 20 years




slow learner huh?

[Biggles08]

Same reason I bought an M16, cos I wanted one

Ain't littered with dead people around here - yet.....

Do you shoot your M16 at all scumdog? I think a valid comparisom would be you bought a M16 so once in a while you could squeeze off a couple of rounds as it has been designed for (no need to kill people to use the rifle) like most bikers with litre bikes like to "speed" once in a while as they also have been designed for (note the quotation marks as a sign that this of course is a subjective word to use rather than exceeding the set speed limit).

I will say however, if anyone with a litre bike or even a wee 600 like mine really want to ride it as it has been designed there is no place like the track for this!

[smoky]

have had a few speeding tickets and deserved them. On the flip side, I've had just a flash of headlights from the law when I thought I'd be walking home due to almost unbelievable discretion on the cop's part too. Got away with far more than I deserve so can hardly complain if I do get pulled - Karma at work! I suspect that this applies to you too Smoky :innocent:

I did say in my original post;



My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?

despite what some people on here have jumped to the conclusion of; I am not crying about it, I did the crime, I'll pay

But the question I'm asking; is this kind of over eager pedantic enforcement of the road rules somewhat in contrast to other areas of law enforcment, try getting someone to turn up when you've been burgled
It would be good to see more police check points picking up drunk drivers
And yes - No WOF - fair enough
You have to wonder if they're under resourced because their priorities are a bit off
Has quota and KPI's made our roads any safer
If it has - has the price been pissing off everyone and loosing the support and respect of a lot of the general public?

[SMOKEU]

It's all revenue gathering. When my car got broken into I called the cops and they didn't even send one officer to have a look at it to try and lift some finger prints, they weren't even busy because it was a Tuesday night when fuck all is happening. Yet if some old fart calls the cops to say that they saw a GTST get a bit loose around a corner then the cops get there A$AP.

[AD345]

Random thoughts on the thread:

1. It's not "speeding". It's exceeding the posted speed limit. "Speeding" is an apalling piece of emotive rubbish coined by god-knows-who but probably the same dork that came up with "speed kills". 1 km/hr is a speed.

2. God the "trackdays" line is tired. The vast majority of people did not buy their bikes to go round and round the same 2 - 5 km of tarseal looking at Armco's for scenery. I'm hard pressed to think of a more tedious way to spend time on a motorcycle.

3. Posted speed limits are arbitrary, politicised and the law. It has essentially become a moral crusade and will stay a source of irritation and fustration between the citizenry and the state for the foreseeable future

4. Cops do their jobs with within the same distribution curve of zeal and efficiency as the rest of the populace. Trying to enforce unpopular laws is always going to be difficult in the extreme. Put areas of "discretion" in the mix with those laws and it becomes several orders of magnitude worse. Tax inspectors enforce more unpopular laws with less room for discretion and probably take less heat.
Hard cheese for the cops - no one forced them into the job. Equally though - tough shit for us when things don't go the way we want with "discretion"

5. I'd rant about it too, venting is good for the soul.

[TOTO]

The cop has a job to do man. if he didnt bring anything to his boss, then the boss will say he has been ding nothing. Plus you were braking the law !

[Indoo]

If I only got caught for no WOF, I wouldn't be moaning about it - that was fair enough, and it was only two weeks out, and I got a new one and won't have to pay the fine - I have no issue with all that.

So how come you don't have to pay the $200 WOF fine the pedantic, revenue gathering nazi gave you?

[smoky]

So how come you don't have to pay the $200 WOF fine the pedantic, revenue gathering nazi gave you?

Because I had it booked in, and because you have 14 days to get a copy of your new WOF sent in to them, from when you were fined.

I have a number of vehicles, and change them on a regular basis, some only need a WOF once a year, others every 6 months, so keeping track on WOF's and insurance is bit of a pain

[rocketman1]

As I have mentioned before on this site, some officers of the law have a fair and reasonable attitude, others are just pricks, and unfortunately you cant beat the law.
My son was driving my car with me a passenger the other day, he slowed from 100kmhr to 70kmhr at the 70 kmhr sign. I told him he was in a 70km/hr zone he has to do 70, not 85 and slowing. We had a good discussion about the fact a cop "would never fine you for slowing down" within the 70km zone. I said this is my car slow down, now else I will get the ticket. I had to convince him that much of the fine is just for revenue purposes, and some police officers especially the newbies have no sense of justice, that comes with age and experience, they go by the book, just like robocop... but it does make you think twice next time if get caught.
I bet you will be more cautious next time.

[Indoo]

Strange that, giving you compliance letting you avoid a 200 dollar fine when its all about the money.

[caseye]

smokey, put this one down to esperience,some Police Officers will allow discretion, some won't.
Some and I say "some" with the knowing smile that says trying to find one would be harder than finding rocking horse shit, "parking wardens" will let you off being in a 5 min bay when you've been 8 or 10 even.
Our Police, are us too, make allowances, speed up when you're past the sign and then try to stay within the limits.

[smoky]

Strange that, giving you compliance letting you avoid a 200 dollar fine when its all about the money.

No - not strange
He gave me the ticket for no WOF $200 regardless of the fact it was only two weeks out and I had it booked in, it just so happens I know about the 14 days you have to get it done. It's actually part of the law.
The police have tried to change it, (under John Banks) but failed to get political support for it.
It's the same as if you get caught for not having your license on you, they may fine you but you actually have 7 days (I think it's 7 days) in which to present at your local police station with it. Cops don't tell you that though do they

Quotas and revenue gathering behavior has been exposed several times now in the media, and the police have had to own up to it

[Biggles08]

Random thoughts on the thread:

2. God the "trackdays" line is tired. The vast majority of people did not buy their bikes to go round and round the same 2 - 5 km of tarseal looking at Armco's for scenery. I'm hard pressed to think of a more tedious way to spend time on a motorcycle.


A very valid post you added to this thread under the guise of 'random thoughts' AD345. Most of it I thought was well thought out...of course I had to respond to the above comment since I presume it was directed at my previous post.

To clarify, I understand racing or tracks (trackdays) are not for everyone. Not eveyone rides a bike to push them to their performance limits and hence the road is the place for destinations/scenery and lots of other reasons. If you re-read my post it is only directed to those riders who think that speeding (I use this word on purpose again) can be done safely on the road...it can't be due to lots of unforseeable factors....Don't misinterperate what I'm saying though...I firmly believe that you can on "most" occassions, safely exceed the set speed limit that our nanny state has put in place and despite what the cops believe and are trained, 100kph is not a magic number!:niceone:

[AD345]

A very valid post you added to this thread under the guise of 'random thoughts' AD345. Most of it I thought was well thought out...of course I had to respond to the above comment since I presume it was directed at my previous post.

To clarify, I understand racing or tracks (trackdays) are not for everyone. Not eveyone rides a bike to push them to their performance limits and hence the road is the place for destinations/scenery and lots of other reasons. If you re-read my post it is only directed to those riders who think that speeding (I use this word on purpose again) can be done safely on the road...it can't be due to lots of unforseeable factors....Don't misinterperate what I'm saying though...I firmly believe that you can on "most" occassions, safely exceed the set speed limit that our nanny state has put in place and despite what the cops believe and are trained, 100kph is not a magic number!:niceone:

LOL

Very polite of you mate.

It wasn't directed against you personally, but yep you did raise it. "Tedious" is a little tongue in cheek but I really don't see tracks as an alternative to the open road.
Not for me anyway.

[reofix]

this little area is a favorite haunt for the huntly cop...all cops like the interface areas where speed limits change ... its money for jam really ... they can spend the day eating donuts and then head out into these zones and fill the days quota in half an hour ... we just have to get smarter!

[Drew]

LOL

Very polite of you mate.

It wasn't directed against you personally, but yep you did raise it. "Tedious" is a little tongue in cheek but I really don't see tracks as an alternative to the open road.
Not for me anyway.

I'm glad you have qualified your point a bit, but I ask if you have ever been to a track?

The topic relates to speed, so if you wanna go fast, then I submit you try doing it on a race track. I have had fun going round the track on an original GSX250, and an SRX600. I would have a fuckin ball doing it on a Harley too.

If you enjoy going fast as you dare, then do a track day, I've never gotten bored riding that same 3-5 km circuit yet.

[Drew]

we just have to get smarter!

Ironic that. Is the smart option not, to obey the speed limits?

I am not saying I do it, but that I know I should.

[AD345]

I'm glad you have qualified your point a bit, but I ask if you have ever been to a track?

In a previous lifetime


The topic relates to speed,

No it doesn't, it relates to exceeding a posted limit

so if you wanna go fast,

As above - 84 kmh is hardly fast


then I submit you try doing it on a race track.

Why ask the first question if you already thought you knew the answer?


I have had fun going round the track on an original GSX250, and an SRX600. I would have a fuckin ball doing it on a Harley too.

I'm very happy for ya - really.


If you enjoy going fast as you dare, then do a track day,
I don't need a track to go as fast as I dare - I doubt anyone does.

Think about that for a moment


I've never gotten bored riding that same 3-5 km circuit yet.

I'm still happy for ya - seriously

[reofix]

Drew... respect for the law is an earned thing ... I heard the national traffic enforcment lady prattling on about removing the risk of talking on cellphones ... yet every night every citizen in the cities of NZ hear the little racer shits blasting around the streets while the cops are tucked up in bed ,getting a good sleep in so they can hand out tickets to people the govt know will actually pay them . respect is a fine thing........ now they can earn it!!

[Drew]

In a previous lifetime



No it doesn't, it relates to exceeding a posted limit


As above - 84 kmh is hardly fast



Why ask the first question if you already thought you knew the answer?



I'm very happy for ya - really.


I don't need a track to go as fast as I dare - I doubt anyone does.

Think about that for a moment



I'm still happy for ya - seriously

I was in no way trying to bait you, or make example for some point I might be trying to make, but since ya wanna take it that way, I'll play along.

I can do without sarcastic remarks, when I was genuinely just saying you might like it.

I assumed nothing about what you have or have not done, (although now I assume you pull your old wrinkled cock a lot).

Fuck it, why bother wasting my time when you would rather belittle, then converse.

[Drew]

respect is a fine thing........ now they can earn it!!

I have always been angered by that idea.

Respect is not earned, it's given. Praise or admiration is earned.

Everyone deserves respect, until such time they do not give the same courtesy. Simple.

[AD345]

I was in no way trying to bait you, or make example for some point I might be trying to make, but since ya wanna take it that way, I'll play along.

I can do without sarcastic remarks, when I was genuinely just saying you might like it.

I assumed nothing about what you have or have not done, (although now I assume you pull your old wrinkled cock a lot).

Fuck it, why bother wasting my time when you would rather belittle, then converse.

Poor precious

LOL

OK THAT might have been unkind - but ya made me laff. There's no sarcasm in my initial reply to you. You're a bit paranoid there mate. I broke up my reply cos you raised a lot of points and I wanted to reply to each one of them.

Have another read through.

[Drew]

Poor precious

LOL

OK THAT might have been unkind - but ya made me laff. There's no sarcasm in my initial reply to you. You're a bit paranoid there mate. I broke up my reply cos you raised a lot of points and I wanted to reply to each one of them.

Have another read through.

Still reads pretentious/sarcastic the second and third times through to me.

I'll work on the theory I've gotten a wire crossed, and go on my happy little existence no worse off either way.

[reofix]

ok fine... they can stop the noisy little fucks and earn my ....admiration...

[Drew]

ok fine... they can stop the noisy little fucks and earn my ....admiration...

I'm guessing you live near where the boy racer scene gets around up there.

Tell me though, do you see it as a different thing for them to annoy you, than the skateboarders were to people trying to move around town before skate parks?

The councils and government paid for places for them to go, when they realised they couldn't get rid of them with legislature. Might come to something similar, for you to sleep more sound at night.

[reofix]

My admiration for the police will be complete when they enforce ALL the laws on ALL the people ... not just shooting the ducks in the barrel ... so to speak

[Drew]

My admiration for the police will be complete when they enforce ALL the laws on ALL the people ... not just shooting the ducks in the barrel ... so to speak

One could argue on your part, that the lack of consistency might be taken as disrespectful on their part.

The law is the law, and applies to us all. It would be arrogant for them to pick and choose where to enforce it.

[reofix]

Drew... my entire point is I want the law enforced ... and equally ...

[Max Preload]

The thing is, the law is Black and white. There are no grey areas, the law only changes when the circumstances change.

Common sense should come into it, but doesn't with "speeding" because of the emotive claptrap espoused by the Ministry of Propaganda, that tells us "speed kills". The problem is the lemmings that make up the general populace can relate to that even though it's a total over-simplification.

As for no grey areas... the recent amendment regarding lights on for bike also had an amendment to permit buses for stop in bus stops - they previously weren't allowed to - the regulation was clear on this. How many buses got ticketed? I'd hazard a guess at none because they pick and choose the laws they enforce. You'd be stunned at the number of laws you break in the course of each day - would you think it fair if you were penalised for all of them even though there was no consequence to your actions?


2. God the "trackdays" line is tired. The vast majority of people did not buy their bikes to go round and round the same 2 - 5 km of tarseal looking at Armco's for scenery. I'm hard pressed to think of a more tedious way to spend time on a motorcycle.

Fuck'n eh to that. Going around and a fuck'n round and getting absolutely nowhere.


He gave me the ticket for no WOF $200 regardless of the fact it was only two weeks out and I had it booked in, it just so happens I know about the 14 days you have to get it done. It's actually part of the law.
The police have tried to change it, (under John Banks) but failed to get political support for it.
It's the same as if you get caught for not having your license on you, they may fine you but you actually have 7 days (I think it's 7 days) in which to present at your local police station with it. Cops don't tell you that though do they

You'd be completely wrong on both counts. There's no automatic compliance grace period for either. In fact, I can't think of a single motor vehicle or drivers licence offence that does have such a grace period for remittance of the penalty.

Of course there are sure to be cretins that think having evidence of inspection affixed to their bike in the prescribed manner guarantees their bike is roadworthy and don't even look at it for another 6 months (except, of course, to fit bullshit like yoshimura bar end weights or LED indicators).

[smoky]

Common sense should come into it, but doesn't with "speeding" because of the emotive claptrap espoused by the Ministry of Propaganda, that tells us "speed kills". The problem is the lemmings that make up the general populace can relate to that even though it's a total over-simplification.
Good points


You'd be completely wrong on both counts. There's no automatic compliance grace period for either. In fact, I can't think of a single motor vehicle or drivers licence offence that does have such a grace period for remittance of the penalty.

You're wrong

[p.dath]

-rant mode on-
I'll be blunt. I think our justice system is fucked.

I hold the judiciary to blame for a lot of it. The courts simply fail to work.

I wonder why the Police even bother charging people sometimes.

Two recent cases. The group of Maori that performed an exorcism, killed a person, got community service. Second case, 15 year old boy raped someone and got a jail sentence.
Which is worse, murder or rape?

What the hell has this got to do with this thread? The Police are tasked with enforcing the law, nothing more. Maybe when you've had your fifth murderer in a row get off it might feel nice to give out a couple of speeding tickets. At least something in your job is going right then.

Speeding tickets are a minor thing, and the least of our worries. Lets all chill out and acknolwedge when we get one that we scewed up and have a laugh about "how they got us".
-rant mode off-

[pritch]

You're surely not gonna try and defend this? It's practically entrapment for the purpose of revenue gathering only - nothing too do with road safety

WTF? The guy was clearly over the limit. We've been advised on here before that the limit applies all the way to the sign.

OK so the OP was pissed-off, nobody likes getting fined. He was however totally the author of his own misfortune. He should just pay up and learn what ever he can from the sad experience.

Oh and since the cops are about four mil short on their national quota he may be outa luck with getting the WoF fine dropped. That'll be interesting.

[smoky]

Oh and since the cops are about four mil short on their national quota he may be outa luck with getting the WoF fine dropped. That'll be interesting.

It's interesting how many people think they are 'experts' on this subject - when they know nothing about it

[FJRider]

-rant mode on-






Two recent cases. The group of Maori that performed an exorcism, killed a person, got community service. Second case, 15 year old boy raped someone and got a jail sentence.
Which is worse, murder or rape?

What the hell has this got to do with this thread? The Police are tasked with enforcing the law, nothing more.

Speeding tickets are a minor thing, and the least of our worries. Lets all chill out and acknolwedge when we get one that we scewed up and have a laugh about "how they got us".
-rant mode off-

Police are tasked with enforcing the law ... yes

The Courts are tasked to decide penaltys (if any) for breaches of law that they have been charged with. (by Police)

Penaltys for those charges usually depend on intent to commit the offence charged. The Court decided the group did not intend to kill that person during the exorcisim. The court did decide that the 15 year-old did intend to rape that person. As do many on site here ... intend to speed. They also intend to ride/drive their vehicles when they know the WOF has expired.

[Max Preload]

You're wrong

Nope.

Requirement for driver to be licensed and produce that license without delay. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434509.html)
Offence for failure to do so. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434636.html)

Requirement for display of evidence of inspection. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434510.html)
Offence for failure to do so. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434649.html)

You'll note there is no mention anywhere of your RIGHT to any cancellation of the infringement offence if the licence is produced or the vehicle brought into compliance.

Over to you.

[Metalor]

Just thought I'd point out here that not all cops are pricks like this.

I have 2 uncles in Napier who are cops and they both don't like the whole traffic officer thing. One heads the hawkes bay armed defenders squad and the other has been a cop for a numbr of years. Second said uncle only gave out TWO tickets in his whole compulsory period of being a traffic cop (which is something like 9 monthsm don't quote me on this) and that was ONLY cos they were being smart bastards.

I think you'll find that a lot of cops would disagree with a lot of what goes on i traffic offence ticketing but there's fuck all they can do about it.

[Elysium]

The fact Katman has no made no comments in this thread so far adds credibility that Smoky and Co are just plain wrong in their attempts to justify breaking the law, I mean come on, 14kph over the limit, in a residental area, warrant out by two weeks...

If you got pinged for say 5kph over the limit then yes I can see an issue here but in anycase I think us bikers are getting it easy from the police compared to cagers as I can't recall how many times I went past a police car on the open road doing 110-120kph and nothing happens. I guess maybe its easy to pull over a boy racer then go through the hassel of pulling a bike over? But I was still breaking the law anycase.

But if I did get pinged then its my own bloody fault and whinging about it wont make the ticket go away, just learn a lesson.

[Okey Dokey]

As others have said, it does sound justified. Pay the fine, and maybe learn the lesson about speeding in a residential zone. Why should it be okay to go nearly 15km faster than the posted limit?

[short-circuit]

Just thought I'd point out here that not all cops are pricks like this.

I have 2 uncles in Napier who are cops and they both don't like the whole traffic officer thing. One heads the hawkes bay armed defenders squad and the other has been a cop for a numbr of years. Second said uncle only gave out TWO tickets in his whole compulsory period of being a traffic cop (which is something like 9 monthsm don't quote me on this) and that was ONLY cos they were being smart bastards.

I think you'll find that a lot of cops would disagree with a lot of what goes on i traffic offence ticketing but there's fuck all they can do about it.

Well you've just fucked your second point up with your previous statement about your own uncle's resistance. Discretion can and in many instances should be exercised.

[scumdog]

Well you've just fucked your second point up with your previous statement about your own uncle's resistance. Discretion can and in many instances should be exercised.

And ALWAYS should be used when it's (insert any particular KBers name here) gets pulled over .:rolleyes:

[smoky]

Every couple of pages you have to keep making the same point - because I presume people cant be bothered reading thru the thread.

Again - I am not saying I wasn't breaking the law, am not crying about it
I am not trying to get off the speeding ticket, I am going to pay it.
I am not even talking about no WOF - fair enough
I was not in a residential zone

And the issue is not just about 14 ks over the speed limit - it's about being 14k's over the limit 200 meters from the open road sign
I know the law is the law, and I was breaking it

So I don't know why you all keep pointing it out - how about thinking honestly about the following;

It's asking the questions; is police enforcement of minor infringements that are of very little consequence - of any value to reducing the road toll, of any benefit to the community they serve, is it an acceptable use of Police resources
The only value in this kind of enforcement is revenue gathering or a cop who needs to fill his quota

Should red-heads ever be allowed to become police?

[scumdog]

And the issue is not just about 14 ks over the speed limit - it's about being 14k's over the limit 200 meters from the open road sign
I know the law is the law, and I was breaking it



So prior to this alleged '200 meters from the open road' you were not actually speeding - at all?

[Okey Dokey]

Reducing the road toll? I'm not sure.

Exceeding the speed limit? Who cares if there was only 200m to the open road? It was still wrong.

Residential area or not? Usually a 70km area in an open road spot is because there are buildings etc around.

Red heads? Love em!

If you ask for opinions on kb, you will get them. Some will sympathise with your point of view, other will not.

[smoky]

And ALWAYS should be used when it's (insert any particular KBers name here) gets pulled over .:rolleyes:

You agreed you wouldn't have pulled me up for 84ks just 200 meters from the open road sign, have you changed your mind?

I agree that there are a lot of bikers who seem to think the law shouldn't apply to them - and I realise that by posting what I have here, I am now 'tarred with the same brush'.
But thats just the impression some people want to jump to - and can't see past the evil person I am to have a discussion about the real point I'm making



how about thinking honestly about the following;

It's asking the questions; is police enforcement of minor infringements that are of very little consequence - of any value to reducing the road toll, of any benefit to the community they serve, is it an acceptable use of Police resources
The only value in this kind of enforcement is revenue gathering or a cop who needs to fill his quota

[scumdog]

You agreed you wouldn't have pulled me up for 84ks just 200 meters from the open road sign, have you changed your mind?

I agree that there are a lot of bikers who seem to think the law shouldn't apply to them - and I realise that by posting what I have here, I am now 'tarred with the same brush'.
But thats just the impression some people want to jump to - and can't see past the evil person I am to have a discussion about the real point I'm making

No, just making the point that 'Everyone' feels their particular event justifies discretion.

And too many still have a school-days mentality/expectation regarding whatever problem they bump into - "s'not fair, ya can't do that":rolleyes:

Real life ain't freakin' 'fair'. :no:


(And yes, I too have felt the 'unfairness' of law way back in my past):(

[smoky]

So prior to this alleged '200 meters from the open road' you were not actually speeding - at all?

about 70 - 75 thru the 70 area, pretty much a waste of time going any quicker thru there, especially that time of day
I do Hamilton to Auckland and back several time a week, and I'm happy just flowing with the traffic thru congested areas, I'm not in any hurry

Actually doing about 1400ks a week for work on our state 1, and then riding on weekends adding ks to that total - I have accumulated 9 tickets in 20 years, it's not too bad, and they've all been minor

[Pussy]

Yeah.... Police bastards!
Who do they think they are, enforcing the law?.... :whistle:

[smoky]

Yeah.... Police bastards!
Who do they think they are, enforcing the law?.... :whistle:

Another one who can't be bothered reading
Or is such a shallow thinker they can't get past stating the obvious and think they are brilliant

Well - I'm off to church to see if god will forgive me, such an evil person I am

[short-circuit]

Another one who can't be bothered reading
Or is such a shallow thinker they can't get past stating the obvious and think they are brilliant

My guess is both

[short-circuit]

(And yes, I too have felt the 'unfairness' of law way back in my past):(

Any more recent indiscretions that your mates mighta let slide? :devil2:

[Biggles08]

about 70 - 75 thru the 70 area, pretty much a waste of time going any quicker thru there, especially that time of day
I do Hamilton to Auckland and back several time a week, and I'm happy just flowing with the traffic thru congested areas, I'm not in any hurry

Actually doing about 1400ks a week for work on our state 1, and then riding on weekends adding ks to that total - I have accumulated 9 tickets in 20 years, it's not too bad, and they've all been minor

Your prepared to speed...your prepared to kill! :Pokey: 75kph is scary fast! Esspecially through the piece of road you were doing it....a clay brick could have rolled down the hill from the brick manufacturing place, landed in the middle of the road, you could have swerved to avoid it, run off the road over a bit of dirt shaped like a ramp, done a triple back flip and landed on a 5 month old baby that was out walking the family dog....how could you look yourself in the mirror after that!? Imagine having to face that 5 month old's parents and saying sorry! Fucker! SLOW DOWN!!!! SPEED KILLS!!!:nono:

[Drew]

It's asking the questions; is police enforcement of minor infringements that are of very little consequence - of any value to reducing the road toll, of any benefit to the community they serve, is it an acceptable use of Police resources


And you are being as blind to the point of others, because you believe yourself to be right.

At what point does the discretion stop? 200 meters you say, so is 250 not ok? If so, is 225?

If only there was a way to do away with such questions, like putting a sign up at the point, where it IS ok to speed up to the new limit.

Do you not think it would be easier to know what the cops would do, if they all worked to the same standard? Like, the law.

I'm out anyway, gotten enough red rep for one thread.

[sinfull]

I got clocked doing 130kph and a $235 fine. All I was doing was overtaking the last car at the end of the passing lane before slowing back down to 109.

It's becoming a Police state!

The seriously dangerous hoons are getting less attention due to the net being too widely spread (getting everyone else). Ummmm which of the above catagory do you fit in YD ? Haha or should we have a card that says i'm everyone else ?


It's KB - comes with the territory




Again - there is only one logical reason to be pinging people like this; quota

Unless he's just a wanker who gets off on throwing his wait around

You just need to ask your self - if I were a cop; would I have done that? Maybe maybe not !


Yep - maybe he wouldn't have fined me for the speed if my WOF was current
when I checked my speedo it was about 80 as in 81 or 82 - he said 84, not too far out

But my original point is; why police the speed limit 200 meters from the open road sign? Unless your just trying to get your quota ??? Ya were doing 70 aye all the way aye till JUST prior to seeing the cop aye where you saw the 100 k sign 200 mtrs away and sped up aye to 84 k aye


I agree - The word 'hypocrite' come to mind
there are some who have posted on here who ride far quicker than I do, and spout on about slow down, obey the law, bla bla bla

Hypocrites I speed, i have a radar detector, aint been caught since i've had it ! Wanna race ?


No - not strange
He gave me the ticket for no WOF $200 regardless of the fact it was only two weeks out and I had it booked in, it just so happens I know about the 14 days you have to get it done. It's actually part of the law.The police have tried to change it, (under John Banks) but failed to get political support for it.
It's the same as if you get caught for not having your license on you, they may fine you but you actually have 7 days (I think it's 7 days) in which to present at your local police station with it. Cops don't tell you that though do they

Quotas and revenue gathering behavior has been exposed several times now in the media, and the police have had to own up to it Think you will find it is a discretionary thing where you have to write in within 14 days and ask for the fine to be dropped ! The 7 day thing for ya licence i think you will find has changed too, it was for a transition period for bringing in that law ! But i imagine the cop you met would have booked ya for it (might have been the scowle ya had on ya face perhaps)
Know what i'd do if i worked in that office and read a letter from you after having read this thread hahaha


Another one who can't be bothered reading
Or is such a shallow thinker they can't get past stating the obvious and think they are brilliant

Well - I'm off to church to see if god will forgive me, such an evil person I am
I just read this whole thread YES every post ! And my opinion of you has not changed from the first post ! Suck it up sad sack !!!

[short-circuit]

And you are being as blind to the point of others, because you believe yourself to be right.

At what point does the discretion stop? 200 meters you say, so is 250 not ok? If so, is 225?

If only there was a way to do away with such questions, like putting a sign up at the point, where it IS ok to speed up to the new limit.

Do you not think it would be easier to know what the cops would do, if they all worked to the same standard? Like, the law.

I'm out anyway, gotten enough red rep for one thread.

0800 NEW COPS - you're just what they're looking for

oh and on the red - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

[Drew]

0800 NEW COPS - you're just what they're looking for

oh and on the red - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Dragged back in by my need to argue, well played.

Have I once advocated the cops brain washed state, with their belief that all speed kills? For that matter, has anything I've said even been pro cops?

I only submit you cannot bitch, about a cop not showing you discretion when you are breaking the law. It's an argument you cannot win, because you signed a contract when you got your licence that you would obey the road code when driving.

I guess we know who not to do business with aye, people are on here flat out telling us their word means nothing.

[Jizah]

If it's OK to have the 200m or whatever discretionary distance for slowing down then why isn't it similar for speeding up? I mean it's the exact same section of road, the only difference as far as I can see is the direction you're traveling.

Apart from road works, I've never seen roads have different speed limits depending on which way you're facing. I don't see why discretion shouldn't work both ways.

[boomer]

Every couple of pages you have to keep making the same point - because I presume people cant be bothered reading thru the thread.

Again - I am not saying I wasn't breaking the law, am not crying about it
I am not trying to get off the speeding ticket, I am going to pay it.
I am not even talking about no WOF - fair enough
I was not in a residential zone

And the issue is not just about 14 ks over the speed limit - it's about being 14k's over the limit 200 meters from the open road sign
I know the law is the law, and I was breaking it

So I don't know why you all keep pointing it out - how about thinking honestly about the following;

It's asking the questions; is police enforcement of minor infringements that are of very little consequence - of any value to reducing the road toll, of any benefit to the community they serve, is it an acceptable use of Police resources
The only value in this kind of enforcement is revenue gathering or a cop who needs to fill his quota

Should red-heads ever be allowed to become police?




My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?



Are you sure..??! Looks like you and your followers are moaning like bitchs cos you got nicked.... and ya wof was out too.. u happy u got discretion on that


suck it up and stop ya moaning...

[Drew]

If it's OK to have the 200m or whatever discretionary distance for slowing down then why isn't it similar for speeding up? I mean it's the exact same section of road, the only difference as far as I can see is the direction you're traveling.



Read the road code have ya?

50mtrs either side of the posted speed sign, for transition of one to the other speed limit.

[Spyke]

The thing i don't get is we pay OUR police a resonable wage to use discretion and common sense to decide between a ticket worthy of been given out, but when they don't do their job they are just as bad as any speeding camera except they are getting paid how much more than the camera?

if OUR people of OUR country wanted computer like decisions we could cut costs and "lives" by using a speed camera that would do a better job.

[Jizah]

Read the road code have ya?

50mtrs either side of the posted speed sign, for transition of one to the other speed limit.

Thought we were talking about discretion. Please forgive me.

[avgas]

boo hooo hooo, i bwoke the law and got caught.....i want to cry to mummy helen about this.
grow up - if you cant do the time don't do the crime.
You were over 10kph the legal limit....and they can ticket you when your over 5kph. Get it through your thick skull.
Or red-flag me for pointing out the flaws in your argument.

[sinfull]

If it's OK to have the 200m or whatever discretionary distance for slowing down then why isn't it similar for speeding up? I mean it's the exact same section of road, the only difference as far as I can see is the direction you're traveling.

Apart from road works, I've never seen roads have different speed limits depending on which way you're facing. I don't see why discretion shouldn't work both ways.
Think about it Jizah, line of traffic doing 100kph front guy hits the piks and scrubs 30 or 50 kph off as soon as he hits the new limit ! Ya only need one driver/rider checking the scenery out and ya got a nose to tail !
A lot of ppl do hit the piks right on the new limit, where as ya should be backing off the gas when ya first see the sign (should you not?) and doing the speed limit right up untill you reach the higher limit (should you not?)

[Biggles08]

No, just making the point that 'Everyone' feels their particular event justifies discretion.

And too many still have a school-days mentality/expectation regarding whatever problem they bump into - "s'not fair, ya can't do that":rolleyes:

Real life ain't freakin' 'fair'. :no:


(And yes, I too have felt the 'unfairness' of law way back in my past):(

Your right scumdog...its a natural feeling of injustice when something like this happens to us....HOWEVER...the point that he is so very articulately trying to raise here is a valid one worth discussing that keeps being misinterpreted...200mtrs from a change in speed limit is a bit on the 'off' side in my opinion. Especially considering the piece of road he is referring to (which I am very familiar with) which must have massive amounts of tolerance built into it as far as the set limit goes. It is not apparent why he insisted on proceeding with this ticket going on the presumption smoky was polite and explained his situation to the officer (ie he was travelling at 70-75kph all the way through the 70kph zone and was just accelerating to the 100kph zone when he was clocked). I understand the argument for and against set speeds/tollerances etc but this is not what smoky is questioning....why is it unable to be looked at in a plain, logical format at the time on the side of the road and have all the situational merits weighed up and a correct decision come to without the need to contest it (if you believe you have had an injustice done) later in court? It seems some police have had all their power of descresion magically removed at wellington in training.

Where smoky got ticketed is not a dangerous piece of road due to the speed he was doing. I'm pretty sure the officer who gave him the ticket knows this perfectly well too....yet ignored this and gave him the ticket regardless. This type of policing we can do without and as smokys original point is "NZ Police, why do they do it?"

Funny enough, I also received a ticket in pretty much the same spot about 3-4 years ago but I was a little further south already in the two lanes section...I was on the road by myself in the left lane (in a car) with no cars either travelling in the same direction as me or coming the other way. This was apart from a police car of course. I was given a ticket for 112kph in a 100kph zone. I was surprised that he gave it to me as I saw him and never thought twice about what speed I was doing as I was cruising safely. What really fucked me off was the completely unprovoked lecture he gave me about how my type of 'speeding kills' people. What sort of fuckwit does he think I am???? totally unprovoked, he started trying to justify his decision to give me this ticket because I was a menace to society thinking my driving was safe at this speed! This was while he was already writing my ticket. Needless to say I became very vocal on how my driving was no more dangerous to society than his Magnum PI moustache (didn't help really but he was a wanker and not because he was a cop...Because I bet he was a wanker before he became an officer). This is the point smoky is trying to raise I believe...why behave like this? Who's really there to watch their attitude? in reality.....no one.

[pritch]

It's interesting how many people think they are 'experts' on this subject - when they know nothing about it

Have you ever heard that old thing about when you point the finger at someone there's three fingers pointing back at you?

On the occasion of my last (detected)indiscretion, 62kph in a 50, I do like that S bend, I told the cop I didn't want to stand around all night and asked if he could post me the ticket. He said OK.

When I got home I saw that the rego had expired the day before. :brick:

First thing the next morning I was at the Post Office and I didn't hear any more about that, but I learned my lesson. I bought a radar detector.

[Drew]

Thought we were talking about discretion. Please forgive me.

The thread was started with the basic idea, that he deserved discretion.

It aint a fuckin right. You're rights on the road are clearly spelt out in the road code, with very little room for interpretation I might add.

[Drew]

Your right scumdog...its a natural feeling of injustice when something like this happens to us....HOWEVER...the point that he is so very articulately trying to raise here is a valid one worth discussing that keeps being misinterpreted...200mtrs from a change in speed limit is a bit on the 'off' side in my opinion. Especially considering the piece of road he is referring to (which I am very familiar with) which must have massive amounts of tolerance built into it as far as the set limit goes. It is not apparent why he insisted on proceeding with this ticket going on the presumption smoky was polite and explained his situation to the officer (ie he was travelling at 70-75kph all the way through the 70kph zone and was just accelerating to the 100kph zone when he was clocked). I understand the argument for and against set speeds/tollerances etc but this is not what smoky is questioning....why is it unable to be looked at in a plain, logical format at the time on the side of the road and have all the situational merits weighed up and a correct decision come to without the need to contest it (if you believe you have had an injustice done) later in court? It seems some police have had all their power of descresion magically removed at wellington in training.

Where smoky got ticketed is not a dangerous piece of road due to the speed he was doing. I'm pretty sure the officer who gave him the ticket knows this perfectly well too....yet ignored this and gave him the ticket regardless. This type of policing we can do without and as smokys original point is "NZ Police, why do they do it?"



And everything you just said, ASSUMES the officer didn't weigh everything up, and takes Smokeys word that he was polite and gentlemanly.

The thing about the law, is it is built in a way that is meant to do away with assumption. Black and white, no room for give. To save the courts time with bollucks fuckin arguments such as this.

I wouldn't hope for a friggin second, to be let off a 14kph speed infringement, 200meters from the open road no matter where I am.

You say a discretionary buffer was built into the area in question, you saying that means you get to choose when you will adhere to the law and when not?

[boomer]

i hate coppers too.. but

Maybe the copper would have shown him discretion had his WOF been valid; this may have played on teh rozzas thought process?!

get a Perm, get a radar detector and recognise you play teh game.. u win some u lose some. Bitchin on KB afterwards is as daft as being caught by a copper in the first place.!!

[Biggles08]

And everything you just said, ASSUMES the officer didn't weigh everything up, and takes Smokeys word that he was polite and gentlemanly.

Yes I did state that I was assumeing these things...I'm not defending smoky merely using his example to make my point


The thing about the law, is it is built in a way that is meant to do away with assumption. Black and white, no room for give. To save the courts time with bollucks fuckin arguments such as this.

Then lets do away with cops altogether on the road with regards to speed related issues and put cameras and speed traps up all over the roads! Hell lets even limit all the vehicles to the speed limit of 100kph! I disagree and believe a human descresion is required with all laws as you cannot write a perfect piece of legislation



I wouldn't hope for a friggin second, to be let off a 14kph speed infringement, 200meters from the open road no matter where I am.

I would hope for it but definately not expect it :clap:



You say a discretionary buffer was built into the area in question, you saying that means you get to choose when you will adhere to the law and when not?
in a rough sort of way yeah...try and get my point DREW its not that I'm defending exceeding the speed limit as a blanket rule, I'm saying descresion is a worthwhile attribute to have in any law enforcing.

[Jizah]

The thread was started with the basic idea, that he deserved discretion.

It aint a fuckin right. You're rights on the road are clearly spelt out in the road code, with very little room for interpretation I might add.

I think someone mentioned earlier about fair policing across the board. Of course it's not a right, but if the police are going to let other people off for the same thing, an expectation does start to creep in. You constantly hear of people getting off tickets, or not, depending on the mood of the officer. I myself get highly aggrieved when some people get away with something, then I do the same thing and get pinged for it. This goes for every facet of life, not just on the road.

People all have different ideas of what is and isn't allowed, what is right and what is wrong. And most of this is from their personal experiences and not from what is written.

I'm going to take a stab and say the people who say "get over it" are the lucky people who have got off tickets through a police persons discretion and on the other side of the coin, the people who are pissed off haven't been so lucky.

[Drew]

I think someone mentioned earlier about fair policing across the board. Of course it's not a right, but if the police are going to let other people off for the same thing, an expectation does start to creep in. You constantly hear of people getting off tickets, or not, depending on the mood of the officer. I myself get highly aggrieved when some people get away with something, then I do the same thing and get pinged for it. This goes for every facet of life, not just on the road.

People all have different ideas of what is and isn't allowed, what is right and what is wrong. And most of this is from their personal experiences and not from what is written.

I'm going to take a stab and say the people who say "get over it" are the lucky people who have got off tickets through a police persons discretion and on the other side of the coin, the people who are pissed off haven't been so lucky.

I've been let off, and ticketed for similar things in the past.

Simple way to sort this out though. Expect a ticket EVERY time you see a cop when you are breaking the law, and you will never be upset by the outcome.

[scumdog]

I'm going to take a stab and say the people who say "get over it" are the lucky people who have got off tickets through a police persons discretion and on the other side of the coin, the people who are pissed off haven't been so lucky.

Bad 'stab in the dark'.

I got my share of tickets, sometimes where 'discretion' could have been used - and often when getting the ticket I got a rev-up at the same time which I thought wasn't justified.

And the nearest ever I got to discretion was being told I had better fix my bent number-plate by the end of the week or I'd get a $200 ticket.

But I got over it.

[Jizah]

Bad 'stab in the dark'.

I got my share of tickets, sometimes where 'discretion' could have been used - and often when getting the ticket I got a rev-up at the same time which I thought wasn't justified.

And the nearest ever I got to discretion was being told I had better fix my bent number-plate by the end of the week or I'd get a $200 ticket.

But I got over it.

So you're saying you're the rule and not the exception?

[scumdog]

So you're saying you're the rule and not the exception?

I would hope so.:niceone:

[jubilant]

How the public are loosing respect for the uniform, when you throw you weight around like Nazi's

you are right the police here are anal about speed this i have found out the hard way, im used to the uk's speed laws 70 mph on the open road but on a motorway you are not likely to be pulled unless you hit over 100 mph, just dont drive like a numpty is the rule...i lost all respect for the police when i was stopped for speeding doing 65 in a 70...the plod didnt see the sign that i did!!! i think his tone and attitude was the thing that pissed me off so when i put him straight i offered him a chance to appologize, he didnt !!! so telling him to go take his head for a shit and learning the rules was my parting comment..

i hope he was the odd one out, the bad apple but it seems from comments around this and other sites that its not ! a shame a real nice country apart from plod

[mctshirt]

Got a ticket yesterday; that makes 9 in 20 years

I was heading home from work, down thru Huntly toward Hamilton
been past the township, past the quarry, 200 meters from the open road signs in a 70k area - see the cop on the other side of the road, check the speedo - 80ish Klm/Hr

I thought I'd be ok, being so close to the open road sign and all, but no

pulled over and fined for 84 klm/hr, $80
And wouldn't ya know it - my WOF was over due by two weeks - fine of $200 (it was booked in to be done - along with a service next week)
Went to the nearest testing station before they closed and got the WOF, so hopefully won't have to pay the $200

I'd been doing around 70 all the way along that overly extended limited speed area thru Huntly (behaving myself) and was merely slowly increasing my speed toward the open road - I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police. It could've been palatable if there was a school nearby, an intersection, lots of traffic or some other potential hazard? But there's not. what an arsehole

My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

So you were exceeding the speed limit, saw a cop and continued to exceed the speed limit. You made no attempt to suck it up and slow down for 200 more metres. You accepted you were breaking the law and continued to do so in front of a policeman. Sounds like our man in blue got just the idiot they're after - you were rubbing his nose in it and he ticketed you - it's not rocket science. Discretion kicks in when he catches you speeding but you make some attempt to prove you know the difference between right and wrong like slowing down for 200 metres. You gave yourself that ticket before he even pulled you up IMHO.

[MSTRS]

Just going back to the discretion-thing....
As far as failing to produce your (appropriate) plastic photo licence at the roadside is concerned - I don't think there is any discretion. Instant fine, regardless of later presentation. ???

[boomer]

I just wanted to quote you...for no real reason ...hehehe.


you are right the police here are anal about speed this i have found out the hard way, im used to the uk's speed laws 70 mph on the open road but on a motorway you are not likely to be pulled unless you hit over 100 mph, just dont drive like a numpty is the rule...i lost all respect for the police when i was stopped for speeding doing 65 in a 70...the plod didnt see the sign that i did!!! i think his tone and attitude was the thing that pissed me off so when i put him straight i offered him a chance to appologize, he didnt !!! so telling him to go take his head for a shit and learning the rules was my parting comment..

i hope he was the odd one out, the bad apple but it seems from comments around this and other sites that its not ! a shame a real nice country apart from plod


most of the plod here are $10 pohms.... as for not being pulled up until 100mph on a mway back home.. ur a fookin dreamer. Not that ya hyobag would do 100mph huh??!

you can moan all u like about the rules ( i dont agree with 'em ) but moaning on here is just pathetic.. play teh game.

[Spyke]

Just going back to the discretion-thing....
As far as failing to produce your (appropriate) plastic photo licence at the roadside is concerned - I don't think there is any discretion. Instant fine, regardless of later presentation. ???

Cops of the next decade = Robots? :(


Robot = Emotionless bastards. :doctor:










(giant generalisation alert)

[pritch]

The Police have been rather mindlessly enforcing speed limits for a number of years now under successive governments. Many consider it a tax grab. I don't like it, many other members of the public don't like it, and there are members of the Police who don't like it. But it would be a very dim bulb who did not realise that this is now how the game is played.

As to experts, a Police Sergeant who was at the time on traffic duties, so I will consider him an "expert", pointed out on KB that it is not the law that gives you 200m to slow down inside a speed limit sign, it's just something the Police observe. He also pointed out that there is absolutely no leeway when leaving a restricted area. The limit remains in force until you reach the derestriction sign. None of which should really confuse any normal person.

It's just a wild guess, but I'd have thought a WoF legally expired on the date written on it. There may be another "convention" - or there may not. Expert advice could be useful here. Patrick? SD?

Again, I'll be interested to hear what happens about the WoF charge since the new cameras are reported to have resulted in four million in lost revenue. The Infringement Bureau were not in given to great generosity of spirit prior to "losing" that money so they may be even more reluctant to waive potential income now.

And no, I never did get many warnings...

[smoky]

Are you sure..??! Looks like you and your followers are moaning like bitchs cos you got nicked.... and ya wof was out too.. u happy u got discretion on that


suck it up and stop ya moaning...

some of you are sad, unable to actually read and comprehend!

[scumdog]

It's just a wild guess, but I'd have thought a WoF legally expired on the date written on it. There may be another "convention" - or there may not. Expert advice could be useful here. Patrick? SD?

Again, I'll be interested to hear what happens about the WoF charge since the new cameras are reported to have resulted in four million in lost revenue. The Infringement Bureau were not in given to great generosity of spirit prior to "losing" that money so they may be even more reluctant to waive potential income now.

And no, I never did get many warnings...

IIRC: If WOF is less than 30 days expired you MAY be offered 'compliance' i.e. a fixed time to get new WOF - normally 14 days.

We don't HAVE to give compliance - for instance people being staunch on front of their mates have been known to successfully talked their way out of any compliance.:devil2:

And since compliance means you don't get pinged the appropriate fine if you comply within the given time it means the Gov't get no money out of you.

But it still counts as part of the cops contact rate, the 'quota':rolleyes:

So it seems it's not all about money grabbing all the time - a heap of my tickets are 'compliance' (tyres below the minimum, tail-light not working etc) and the bosses don't complain.

[Tink]

Who in fact sets the limits on the roads... do they do road tests, maybe when a road is widened or some great works have made it safer, does the speed increase, or decrease...

Are european autobahns better than ours that the speed is unlimited, or is it the NZ mentality of driving?

I have done 150km on the autobahn, felt slow!

[boomer]

some of you are sad, unable to actually read an comprehend!


I read and comprehended all your posts; just like the majority of folk in here.

You fooked up, a coppa sat squarely in front of you and you continue to break the law and then give him more work with ya WOF.

you want a cuddle or a pat on your back. !? KB's 'prolly not the best place to post these silly posts...

[smoky]

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

Your right scumdog...its a natural feeling of injustice when something like this happens to us....HOWEVER...the point that he is so very articulately trying to raise here is a valid one worth discussing that keeps being misinterpreted...200mtrs from a change in speed limit is a bit on the 'off' side in my opinion. Especially considering the piece of road he is referring to (which I am very familiar with) which must have massive amounts of tolerance built into it as far as the set limit goes. It is not apparent why he insisted on proceeding with this ticket going on the presumption smoky was polite and explained his situation to the officer (ie he was travelling at 70-75kph all the way through the 70kph zone and was just accelerating to the 100kph zone when he was clocked). I understand the argument for and against set speeds/tollerances etc but this is not what smoky is questioning....why is it unable to be looked at in a plain, logical format at the time on the side of the road and have all the situational merits weighed up and a correct decision come to without the need to contest it (if you believe you have had an injustice done) later in court? It seems some police have had all their power of descresion magically removed at wellington in training.

Where smoky got ticketed is not a dangerous piece of road due to the speed he was doing. I'm pretty sure the officer who gave him the ticket knows this perfectly well too....yet ignored this and gave him the ticket regardless. This type of policing we can do without and as smokys original point is "NZ Police, why do they do it?"

Funny enough, I also received a ticket in pretty much the same spot about 3-4 years ago but I was a little further south already in the two lanes section...I was on the road by myself in the left lane (in a car) with no cars either travelling in the same direction as me or coming the other way. This was apart from a police car of course. I was given a ticket for 112kph in a 100kph zone. I was surprised that he gave it to me as I saw him and never thought twice about what speed I was doing as I was cruising safely. What really fucked me off was the completely unprovoked lecture he gave me about how my type of 'speeding kills' people. What sort of fuckwit does he think I am???? totally unprovoked, he started trying to justify his decision to give me this ticket because I was a menace to society thinking my driving was safe at this speed! This was while he was already writing my ticket. Needless to say I became very vocal on how my driving was no more dangerous to society than his Magnum PI moustache (didn't help really but he was a wanker and not because he was a cop...Because I bet he was a wanker before he became an officer). This is the point smoky is trying to raise I believe...why behave like this? Who's really there to watch their attitude? in reality.....no one.

[Drew]

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

Ok then folks, smokey and his mates have said it's safe to do this, lets all ignore the law and follow them wherever them and their omnipotence may take us.

They are clearly right, because they have said the same thing so many fuckin times in this thread.

Stop saying we're not getting your point, and assume for a second we are, and are giving our counter to it. FUCK this is like pulling teeth.

[boomer]

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

ok, so for stoopid me.. is this what's getting your goat?

why is it unable to be looked at in a plain, logical format at the time on the side of the road and have all the situational merits weighed up and a correct decision come to without the need to contest it (if you believe you have had an injustice done) later in court? It seems some police have had all their power of descresion magically removed at wellington in training.

Where smoky got ticketed is not a dangerous piece of road due to the speed he was doing. I'm pretty sure the officer who gave him the ticket knows this perfectly well too....yet ignored this and gave him the ticket regardless. This type of policing we can do without and as smokys original point is "NZ Police, why do they do it?"

[smoky]

The thread was started with the basic idea, that he deserved discretion.

It aint a fuckin right. You're rights on the road are clearly spelt out in the road code, with very little room for interpretation I might add.

And thats why I keep saying, you're missing the point
I understand what your saying, I don't disagree with what your saying
I did not talk about or expect any discretion, read it again;

I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police.
.......should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

When the issue of discretion was raised I argued that you cant rely on discretion when cops have to meet quotas and KPI's

[scumdog]

thank you - it seems some people are unable to separate the issues

The usual cliches 'I was almost on the open road' 'The road is not dangerous there' 'It safer for me to watch the road instead of my speedo' 'I was just letting it slow down in it's own time' 'I was getting a run at the hill' 'My visor was steamed up and I could'nt read my speedo'

I wonder if I tried parallel whinges with IRD they would give me a tax cut?:devil2:

[smoky]

you are right the police here are anal about speed this i have found out the hard way, ...... i think his tone and attitude was the thing that pissed me off .....

i hope he was the odd one out, the bad apple but it seems from comments around this and other sites that its not ! a shame a real nice country apart from plod

I have driven/ridden on every continent, in so many different countries including Russia and Germany (supposedly the worst Police).

I lived over seas for a number of years - the contrast really stands out, our cops generally have the worst attitude you'll come across, we are over policed to the max.
And as we are slowly finding out, they are just as politically motivated and corrupt as anywhere else

[boomer]

I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police.
.......should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?



ok.. so this is your point?

Firstly u make a statement, which im sure you're open to comments on
Then you ask two questions, i'm assuming not a rhetorical ones.
Then you make another statement.

so.. i deduct

You want to know if you should be angry or not...?! My view... hes probably pushing his luck; seeing whats on the road in NZ ( i.e. the state of the cars and occupants in Hamihole) he will get a hit 9 times out of ten.. in fact he got two hits of u.

and

You want to know what he thinks he's achieving...?! My view.. he catches 10 people speeding, lets 5 off and gets 3 wofs and 1 druggie.... not a bad hit rate. He's also seen to be actively policing a piece of road; a deterant.

Its a spot where he can be seen as being a pedantic pig, however because joe public think they can get away with it, he can pull them over and book 5 out of 10 (5 are happy, five are not ) BUT HE ALSO GETS THE OTHER goodies that come along with it... bad attitude, no WOFS, etc etc....

hes a traffic cop.. they dont play by any rules.. they nick u and your lucky if u get off. is it right.. NO.. but unless you put all your effort into a referendum the law wont change because you moaned on KB...

did i get it?

[smoky]

You want to know if you should be angry or not...?

Not angry - annoyed, I don't get angry about my own stupidity
(and yes it was stupid of me thinking I was so close to the open road that the cop wouldn't bother about it)


You want to know what he thinks he's achieving...?! My view.. he catches 10 people speeding, lets 5 off and gets 3 wofs and 1 druggie.... not a bad hit rate. He's also seen to be actively policing a piece of road; a deterant.
............he can pull them over and book 3 out of 10 BUT HE ALSO GETS THE OTHER goodies that come along with it...

I understand that pulling over a number of people for minor infractions does result in picking up unsafe cars, un-licensed drivers, drugs, drunks, bla bla.... and that's all good.

This is the point I am getting at; why do it 200 meters from the open road sign, on that part of the road where there's no real issues, if you really wanted to have an impact why not go where the problems are - pull over and breath test people coming out of pub car-parks, if you're after drunks and drugs try river road, they don't take the main road, they sneak down the back roads.
Why don't they start paying a little more attention to burglaries - actually turn up to a few of them and take some prints or try to solve those crimes - they might actually catch the thieving bastards that plague Huntly West, actually investigate child abuse cases, spousal abuse........

But that's all to hard I suspect...

[boomer]

....
This is the point I am getting at; why do it 200 meters from the open road sign, on that part of the road where there's no real issues


But that's all to hard I suspect...


ok.. so now we have narrowed it down, stoopid me is getting closer to your point?

1. He's a traffic cop.. they dont do burglaries, sex or abuse cases.. they do traffic unless they' called in for other more normal more socially accepted important stuff where those normal coppers are under staffed.
2. the traffic cop.. see #1 above, knows that joe public think they will be given tolerance for minor speeding, hence he thinks they're an easy target hence he gets those other offenses too..
3. the traffic cop will usually only stumble over drunks, unless they target them with booze busses etc; Bars/pubs who have coppers sat out side of them will normally have the landlord complaning hes becoming a nuisance and scaring of patrons.. can he be more subtle please.
4. It may be traffic cops last day to fulfil his quota, and he knows that some NUMPTIES with NO WOF and SPEEDING 250 metres outside of a national speed limit zone will put him in the black...
5. He may be a narcissist, in which case you got busted twice cos of your stupidity, moaned like a cunt on KB, he got 2 points in his book/quota/kpi's, he got a huge fookin satisfying grin on his chops.. and maybe with time his inspector will see what hes been doing and stop that behavior....
6. THEY ARE THE LAWS, they're his daily objectives/goals; he's bending them to suit his purpose because the parameters he works within ALLOWS him to. Does that make the law an ass.. yes!


i think we know what your point(s) are and why you're having a KB thread moment... however because you're argument isn't received with the expected FOOK THE PIGS response.. i'm too stupid and will find it too hard to grasp your point..


IM A RETARD ! :niceone:

[caseye]

The usual cliches 'I was almost on the open road' 'The road is not dangerous there' 'It safer for me to watch the road instead of my speedo' 'I was just letting it slow down in it's own time' 'I was getting a run at the hill' 'My visor was steamed up and I could'nt read my speedo'

I wonder if I tried parallel whinges with IRD they would give me a tax cut?:devil2:

"It's worth a CRACK Nigel" LOL, but we both know it'll never happen.

[smoky]

1. He's a traffic cop.. they dont do burglaries, sex or abuse cases.. they do traffic unless they' called in for other more normal more socially accepted important stuff where those normal coppers are under staffed.
Perhaps that's part of the problem - putting resources in the wrong place, as I have previously suggested

You really do struggle to understand or think outside of your retarded brain don't you
If you could follow a conversation with out arguing purely because you have a built in arrogance that drives you to refute at all cost - rather than having a conversation with out abusing people (thanks for the red reps, how long did it take to give out all the other reps so you could give me more red?)

But you did get something right;


.. i'm too stupid and will find it too hard to grasp your point..

IM A RETARD !

[smoky]

Stop saying we're not getting your point, and assume for a second we are, and are giving our counter to it. FUCK this is like pulling teeth.

You haven't offered any counter to it - you just keep stating the obviouse - which I don't disagree with!!!

[boomer]

nope.. you're still a moaning minnie.

i understand fully you think the coppa shouldn't be sat in such a place where his actions will seem pedantic, callous or small minded; you think his time better spent elsewhere catching real criminals!
You think once caught he should have also let you off... with ya out of date WOF and so called speeding


WE UNDERSTAND.....!

Understand we're sick of people moaning about it on KB !

[boomer]

Perhaps that's part of the problem - putting resources in the wrong place, as I have previously suggested

You really do struggle to understand or think outside of your retarded brain don't you
If you could follow a conversation with out arguing purely because you have a built in arrogance that drives you to refute at all cost - rather than having a conversation with out abusing people (thanks for the red reps, how long did it take to give out all the other reps so you could give me more red?)

But you did get something right;

i think all the terms you describe, adequately sum up your behaviour since being slapped on the wrist !!!

ahahahahhaha

[MSTRS]

As to experts, a Police Sergeant who was at the time on traffic duties, so I will consider him an "expert", pointed out on KB that it is not the law that gives you 200m to slow down inside a speed limit sign, it's just something the Police observe.

I have seen the written instruction from the topcop (Northern district?) that up to 200m inside a 100/50kph zone change is to be considered a discretionary zone for ticketing. I have never seen or heard of any of the other policing areas having adopted the same policy, and nor do they utilise it. Just ask hXc.

[smoky]

i think all the terms you describe, adequately sum up your behaviour since being slapped on the wrist !!!

ahahahahhaha

So because I got a ticket for such an evil careless, irresponsible act of accelerating toward the open road limit 200 meters to early - I shouldn't have any opinion on how our constabulary should behave or conduct themselves in the execution of the law? And if I post about my thoughts on KB then I'm moaning? and should be abused by you in hidden red reps because you think I should fuck off and keep my mouth shut?

I am disappointed because I got fined - disappointed mainly because I haven't been able to get organised enough to have kept my WOF up to date, and the fact I stupidly thought that the cop wouldn't bother about someone accelerating up to the open road speed limit (won't assume that again).

But I do have relevant and legitimate opinions and questions about Police priorities, quota driven policing, and the fact that at the same time they are crying out for more resources - I am not going to accept your barraging and belittling just because I happen to think you're wrong

You don't agree with me - who cares, get on with life ya goose

[Max Preload]

He gave me the ticket for no WOF $200 regardless of the fact it was only two weeks out and I had it booked in, it just so happens I know about the 14 days you have to get it done. It's actually part of the law.
The police have tried to change it, (under John Banks) but failed to get political support for it.
It's the same as if you get caught for not having your license on you, they may fine you but you actually have 7 days (I think it's 7 days) in which to present at your local police station with it. Cops don't tell you that though do they


You'd be completely wrong on both counts. There's no automatic compliance grace period for either. In fact, I can't think of a single motor vehicle or drivers licence offence that does have such a grace period for remittance of the penalty.


You're wrong


Nope.

Requirement for driver to be licensed and produce that license without delay. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434509.html)
Offence for failure to do so. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434636.html)

Requirement for display of evidence of inspection. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434510.html)
Offence for failure to do so. (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434649.html)

You'll note there is no mention anywhere of your RIGHT to any cancellation of the infringement offence if the licence is produced or the vehicle brought into compliance.

Over to you.

I'm not seeing anything in the form of actual evidence or even a reply posted here - just your insistent claim that I'm wrong. Your claim of the existiance of some "Road Compliance Scheme" in my 'reputation' is just wishful thinking on your part. Police and other issuing enforcement authorites have the authority to cancel the infringement offence notice if they feel circumstances warrant (pun intended) it, but you have no right of cancellation of the infringement fee simply for bringing the vehicle into compliance or producing your license other than at the time.

Don't get me wrong - it's extremely anal on their part to enforce it when it's such a short period out of 'compliance' and a simple mistake by overlooking it on your part could have been made - it's not like it was 2 months out.


It's interesting how many people think they are 'experts' on this subject - when they know nothing about it

Pot/kettle much? :rofl:

[boomer]

So because I got a ticket for such an evil careless, irresponsible act of accelerating toward the open road limit 200 meters to early - I shouldn't have any opinion on how our constabulary should behave or conduct themselves in the execution of the law? And if I post about my thoughts on KB then I'm moaning? and should be abused by you in hidden red reps because you think I should fuck off and keep my mouth shut?

I am disappointed because I got fined - disappointed mainly because I haven't been able to get organised enough to have kept my WOF up to date, and the fact I stupidly thought that the cop wouldn't bother about someone accelerating up to the open road speed limit (won't assume that again).

But I do have relevant and legitimate opinions and questions about Police priorities, quota driven policing, and the fact that at the same time they are crying out for more resources - I am not going to accept your barraging and belittling just because I happen to think you're wrong

You don't agree with me - who cares, get on with life ya goose

Well here's the NEWS FLASH !

Moaning on KB wont get you anywhere... GO PROTEST IN WELLINGTON or put a petition together....



fark man seriously.. who needs to get a life?

[marty]

No - not strange
He gave me the ticket for no WOF $200 regardless of the fact it was only two weeks out and I had it booked in, it just so happens I know about the 14 days you have to get it done. It's actually part of the law.
The police have tried to change it, (under John Banks) but failed to get political support for it.
It's the same as if you get caught for not having your license on you, they may fine you but you actually have 7 days (I think it's 7 days) in which to present at your local police station with it. Cops don't tell you that though do they

Quotas and revenue gathering behavior has been exposed several times now in the media, and the police have had to own up to it

Sorry mate but unless you can point to the legislation that says otherwise, I call you're wrong.

There is a 7 day legislative grace for your licence label. There is not one for a WOF.

Also, you DON"T have 7 days to produce your licence, the offence (like the WOF/Rego one) is complete on the day - you MUST produce your licence without delay, and you MUST display a current WOF and Reg (as long as the rego is not expired by more than 7 days)

And who books in a WOF these days? You'll need pretty good proof of the booking for the WOF ticket to be pulled.

[smoky]

I'm not seeing anything in the form of actual evidence or even a reply posted here - just your insistent claim that I'm wrong. Your claim of the existiance of some "Road Compliance Scheme" in my 'reputation' is just wishful thinking on your part. Police and other issuing enforcement authorites have the authority to cancel the infringement offence notice if they feel circumstances warrant (pun intended) it, but you have no right of cancellation of the infringement fee simply for bringing the vehicle into compliance or producing your license other than at the time.
:

your wrong

[smoky]

Well here's the NEWS FLASH !

Moaning on KB wont get you anywhere... GO PROTEST IN WELLINGTON or put a petition together....


So the whole idea of a discussion forum escapes you?



You think once caught he should have also let you off... with ya out of date WOF and so called speeding


WE UNDERSTAND.....!

Understand we're sick of people moaning about it on KB !
See this is where you keep on telling me you get my point - but you obviously don't;

I don't think he should've let me off anything
And and I have said all a long the WOF was a fair enough cop
And I haven't moaned about it

Most people are sick of dumb nuts like your self, acting all self-righteous
Who just want to abuse and argue rather than making any meaningful points or discussing the issue with any intelligence

[Drew]

You haven't offered any counter to it - you just keep stating the obviouse - which I don't disagree with!!!

Ok, I must be retarded too. The point you say you're trying to make, is fuckin round about to get to, from the story you tell.

[enigma51]

Stop moaning smoky if you dont speed you dont get a fine.

200m 100m 50m 2m it doesn't matter the section of road you found yourself on had a speed limit that you broke. You know have to pay for it.

The road is not a race track.

[Owl]

see the cop on the other side of the road, check the speedo - 80ish Klm/Hr

I thought I'd be ok, being so close to the open road sign and all, but no

Perhaps this is the problem right here?

Not so much that you were speeding, but the fact that you saw the cop and made no adjustment to your speed, blatently ignoring the law!

If I was the cop, I'd view that as :finger: to a degree. Can the cop really ignore that?

[1wheel riot]

most cops are wankers and i think its because know one likes them they are just after your money

[accident]

What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

I guess it's not what you do in your time thats worthy of a criminal offense. It's weather or not you are lucky enough to get caught breaking the law.

I have not time for the pigs there is no second chances. Especially when they accuse you of speeding because the car was making alot of noise when coming up the road. But i was not speeding officer the C.V. joints need doing on the car.
and they wonder why people don't like them.

[Max Preload]

your wrong

Nope. You're a fucking idiot, mate. You just keep regurgitating bullshit you believe without anything to support it. Next you'll be claiming the Easter Bunny is real.

Put up or shut up.

[boomer]

You're a fuckig idiot, mate.

You're Wrong !

[Drew]

I guess it's not what you do in your time thats worthy of a criminal offense. It's weather or not you are lucky enough to get caught breaking the law.

I have not time for the pigs there is no second chances. Especially when they accuse you of speeding because the car was making alot of noise when coming up the road. But i was not speeding officer the C.V. joints need doing on the car.
and they wonder why people don't like them.


Sweet Jesus. 100,000 sperm, and you were the strongest?

[boomer]

Sorry mate but unless you can point to the legislation that says otherwise, I call you're wrong.

There is a 7 day legislative grace for your licence label. There is not one for a WOF.

Also, you DON"T have 7 days to produce your licence, the offence (like the WOF/Rego one) is complete on the day - you MUST produce your licence without delay, and you MUST display a current WOF and Reg (as long as the rego is not expired by more than 7 days)

And who books in a WOF these days? You'll need pretty good proof of the booking for the WOF ticket to be pulled.

You're wrong

[boomer]

The road is not a race track.

You're Wrong

[Elysium]

But in the end....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPXnoLAEUSQ&feature=related

[jubilant]

most of the plod here are $10 pohms.... as for not being pulled up until 100mph on a mway back home.. ur a fookin dreamer. Not that ya hyobag would do 100mph huh??!

you can moan all u like about the rules ( i dont agree with 'em ) but moaning on here is just pathetic.. play teh game.

its not a complaint about the rules just the dick that got it wrong, read the post..... and 100mph on the motorway back there is ok as long as your not a cock about it, over 100 and its the court and looking at a ban...and your right about my hyo its never hitting 100mph!!

[Max Preload]

There is a 7 day legislative grace for your licence label.

Sort of, but not really. It's only a defense to the infringement if you've, prior to the expiry of the last license, made an application to relicense AND the license had not been received.

[boomer]

its not a complaint about the rules just the dick that got it wrong, read the post..... and 100mph on the motorway back there is ok as long as your not a cock about it, over 100 and its the court and looking at a ban...and your right about my hyo its never hitting 100mph!!

im english myself; i'd be nervously happy about passing a coppa at 80 on the motorway but i know i'd be nicked at 90 and banned at 100.

you'd also get nicked for not pulling over into a free left lane, undertaking and doing anything other than concentrating on the road ahead.

strangely over here the laws aren't upheld in order of public safety; idiocy is common place and accepted ( red light runners, no stopping at stop signs, zebra/public crossings)

But you have to realise... WHEN IN ROME.. DO AS TEH ROMANS DO and if thats what the coppers target then play there game! If you get caught your dafter than a sand jockie caught in a sand storm with his pants down ! huh Smoky!

[jubilant]

your right if your speeding and caught then face up to it and take the fine/points but as i stated i was caught at 65 in a 70 zone, plod got it wrong and didnt have the decency to say sorry !

and the speed rules back home, im talking from experience as a military driver...maybe they just didnt stop me..?

all though most of my miles are M11 miles and speed isnt such an issue there ?

[Kickaha]

you'd also get nicked for not pulling over into a free left lane, undertaking and doing anything other than concentrating on the road ahead.

If only they would do that here

speeding fines are just an idiot tax

[Ixion]

im english myself; ..

No y'r nawt. Y'r a Yorkshire tyke!

An I has heard it whispered as that's just a blind an reality is th'art a Geordie.

[boomer]

your right if your speeding and caught then face up to it and take the fine/points but as i stated i was caught at 65 in a 70 zone, plod got it wrong and didnt have the decency to say sorry !

and the speed rules back home, im talking from experience as a military driver...maybe they just didnt stop me..?

Driving a Challenger 2 down the M11 would have any copper turning a blind eye !

( I did 4 yrs and drove most of the armys fleet, including teaching ruperts how to drive 8t Bedfords and the 14t DROPS, off road )

[boomer]

No y'r nawt. Y'r a Yorkshire tyke!

An I has heard it whispered as that's just a blind an reality is th'art a Geordie.

no.. i really am from s. yorkshire.. no smelly sock in me.

[smoky]

Nope. You're a fucking idiot, mate. You just keep regurgitating bullshit you believe without anything to support it. Next you'll be claiming the Easter Bunny is real.

Put up or shut up.

Put up what ? you're the one claiming to know it all, go and find out for our self, I'll accept your apology once you realise you're wrong
I'm just saying "you're wrong" - because I know you are
I could try to explain it all to you but you came on all knowing and rubbishing me - so you obviously don't want to know, and wouldn't believe me either
After all I'm a speeding criminal who should just shut up and fuck off - so a couple of you flat earth believers think


Your wrong

[jubilant]

good on yer but only 4 years, come on it was more fun than 4 years worth.....!! so are you a fit mentor to teach me how to avoid the dangers of these kiwi roads, as most know im on my learners and could do with the advice of a seasoned pro!!!

[boomer]

After all I'm a speeding criminal and WOF dodger who should just shut up and fuck off


Your right

[Markw336]

i think tickets depend on how happy the cop is at the time if he was in a good mood he prob would have let you by lol and the wof they usualy give you 2 weeks at least

[boomer]

good on yer but only 4 years, come on it was more fun than 4 years worth.....!! so are you a fit mentor to teach me how to avoid the dangers of these kiwi roads, as most know im on my learners and could do with the advice of a seasoned pro!!!

hi mate; im not mentor material.. my IQ has lowered with age

[smoky]

im english myself;
Now that explains a few things



you'd also get nicked for not pulling over into a free left lane, undertaking and doing anything other than concentrating on the road ahead.

strangely over here the laws aren't upheld in order of public safety; idiocy is common place and accepted ( red light runners, no stopping at stop signs, zebra/public crossings)

So you do agree with my point - that's the point I'm making - they seem to have their priorities stuffed up, so why? why do they do it?

Quota, take the easy targets?

[marty]

Put up what ? you're the one claiming to know it all, go and find out for our self, I'll accept your apology once you realise you're wrong
I'm just saying "you're wrong" - because I know you are
I could try to explain it all to you but you came on all knowing and rubbishing me - so you obviously don't want to know, and wouldn't believe me either
After all I'm a speeding criminal who should just shut up and fuck off - so a couple of you flat earth believers think


Your wrong

actually you're just spouting crap but stating it's law.

htfu.

[Ixion]

... my IQ has lowered with age

Feck, you must be old! :devil2:

[boomer]

Feck, you must be old! :devil2:

cheeky fookah.. u owe me a :beer:


Now that explains a few things



So you do agree with my point - that's the point I'm making - they seem to have their priorities stuffed up, so why? why do they do it?

Quota, take the easy targets?

no, i don't agree/with your point as i dont understand it remember.. im an idiot. in fact we're all idiots other than you! Remember!!!

[98tls]

take the easy targets?
Bit like Duck shooting,theres so many of em.

[smoky]

actually you're just spouting crap but stating it's law.

So you know better?
question; do you think that the police could give you some sort of concession for breaking the law if there wasn't some legislation approved by Cabinet and the Minister, that set out the guidelines around it.
Don't you think that in order of fairness and and even handed discretion that the government (our nanny state) would want to regulate it
And if there wasn't any legislation around the the Compliance Scheme it would create a whole mess of common law being applied

Think about it

I was trying not to discuss this subject because it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread
I am not wanting to get off the fine for speeding, as for the WOF - fair enough, I got one straight away and have been told it will be waived

And for the person who thinks no one books in a WOF - what planet are you from? I book in WOF all the time, get a service done at the same time.

[bsasuper]

Dont worry, KARMA will sort it out:niceone:

[boomer]

It's a learning process, with time they'll realise just as the UK and other countries have, that the amount of revenue earned is not directly linked to the number of lives saved or public safety. However as NZ is learning, this revenue exercise is a good way to show performance; it also helps fund themselves ( they need to do this in order to grow.. they show some figures over a few years, fund it with the ill gotten gains, realise a few years down the line with the aid of data/stats etc from European countries that have tried and tested it nearly a decade ago.. that this isn't the most beneficial way of policing )



So like most things in backwards NZ.. you'll probably see in another 7-10 years more responsible policing and methods to manage the roads !

in the meantime.. put up and play the game.. get caught and post on KB.. expect to have a finger pointed at you and laughed at :banana:

[boomer]

Bit like Duck shooting,theres so many of em.


your wrong

[Kickaha]

your wrong

Shouldn't that be "you're wrong?"

[short-circuit]

It's a learning process, with time they'll realise just as the UK and other countries have, that the amount of revenue earned is not directly linked to the number of lives saved or public safety. However as NZ is learning, this revenue exercise is a good way to show performance; it also helps fund themselves ( they need to do this in order to grow.. they show some figures over a few years, fund it with the ill gotten gains, realise a few years down the line with the aid of data/stats etc from European countries that have tried and tested it nearly a decade ago.. that this isn't the most beneficial way of policing )

in the meantime.. put up and play the game.. get caught and post on KB.. expect to have a finger pointed at you and laughed at :banana:

There ya go Smoky - that's as close as you're gonna get to a concession right there from a (not very skillful) wind up merchant.......

It's bullshit policing and very obviously so

[smoky]

There ya go Smoky - that's as close as you're gonna get to a concession right there from a (not very skillful) wind up merchant.......

It's bullshit policing and very obviously so

Took him a while
He threw a bit of red rep, abuse and shit around, but got there in the end

[short-circuit]

He threw a bit of red rep, abuse and shit around, but got there in the end

I would say more about that particular member but I suspect he may have a photo of a certain moderator in a compromising position with a sheep/chicken/apple pie and we'll end up in PD...again

[boomer]

Took him a while
He threw a bit of red rep, abuse and shit around, but got there in the end

i gave you red because you came on here moaning like a bitch.... you're naive and stoopid posting these threads...

In short.. you're entertainment for us all ! EVERYONE, except you, has known the game for so long.

[boomer]

Shouldn't that be "you're wrong?"

Not according to the Oracle that is Smoky... !

[smoky]

I guess if you struggle to understand a conversation, got some anger issues, and not too bright - it's just easier to play the man not the ball

[avgas]

I'm going to take a stab and say the people who say "get over it" are the lucky people who have got off tickets through a police persons discretion and on the other side of the coin, the people who are pissed off haven't been so lucky.
Bad assumption. I have collected tickets by "shark" cops operating outside their areas. The funniest thing was constantly every time i failed to consider 1 thing. The law, i was breaking it.
I'm not saying you have to like the cops - fuck some are the worst pricks in NZ. But if you break the law - you are giving them the ammunition. To cry that discretion was not used - sorry but if you rule you life with that much kharma - put half your pay to ccf.
Its the cops job to enforce the law. If you break it - you are making their jobs more fun, thats all.
Discretional speeding is at 2am when the cops have gone to sleep. Tickets likewise follow that same principal. So i would expect if you saw a cop at 2am - chances are they will ignore you.
Unless you a real star

[boomer]

the funniest thing was constantly every time i failed to consider 1 thing. The law, i was breaking it.
I'm not saying you have to like the cops - fuck some are the worst pricks in nz. But if you break the law - you are giving them the ammunition. To cry that discretion was not used - sorry but if you rule you life with that much kharma - put half your pay to ccf.
Its the cops job to enforce the law. If you break it - you are making their jobs more fun, thats all.



b i n g o !

[avgas]

After all I'm a speeding criminal who should just shut up and fuck off - so a couple of you flat earth believers think


Your wrong
Wow - so you were not doing a speed exceeding the posted SPEED LIMIT?
Wow sorry - i had no idea you were such a victim? Why did you pull over if you thought the cops were going to get you - i mean fuck if they have you at 15kph over go for 100.
Sorry im biased. I have only got tickets when i have got caught breaking laws.
We can't always choose when we get the tickets - but we can choose when we wish to receive them.

[boomer]

Wow - so you were not doing a speed exceeding the posted SPEED LIMIT?
Wow sorry - i had no idea you were such a victim? Why did you pull over if you thought the cops were going to get you - i mean fuck if they have you at 15kph over go for 100.
Sorry im biased. I have only got tickets when i have got caught breaking laws.
We can't always choose when we get the tickets - but we can choose when we wish to receive them.

You're Wrong !


You missed the point, the point is Smoky WAS clever enough to realise some krafty arsed coppa sat LITERALLY opposite him , just outside a national speed zone, would nick him; albeit via under handed tactics!



Under handed you say.. how so..??!


Was he camouflaged?! NO

Was he looking the other way?! NO

Was he booking someone else?! NO

Did he have a 'I play the fair play way!' sticker on his car?! NO

Did Smokey play the 'i'm allowed discretion' ticket .. YES

Was he on the dog and bone..??! NO

Please feel free to add other reasons why Sherlock would think he'd get away with it !

Did Smokys Karma basket overflow with Karma so much his ego said.. fook this.. im gonna flaunt teh laws infront of this dirty rozzaaa....??! YES



Why the fook would you NOT speed in front of him; knowing your tax is out of date........



duck shooting is right !

[smoky]

For those who keep failing to understand the point of my post;

I am asking about the fact that we seem to be policed to the absolute letter of the law - cops just doing their job huh

I think they should spend more time actually making a difference, for instance;
"The Authority is very concerned about the impact on children from past delays in completing investigations."
The Independent Police Conduct Authority is investigating delays in the Police responses to a potentially significant number of child abuse cases in the Wairarapa.
The Police in 2008 also conducted a review which found widespread failings including poor case management and workload management, poor supervision, and a lack of accountability and responsibility.

An Auckland bar which was burgled three weeks ago was targeted again early yesterday - further frustrating the owner who believes it might not have happened if police had followed up leads about the first break-in
The thief was captured on video camera and the images - with a possible name and address for the man - were passed to police that same day, with a tip that he was selling the stolen liquor from his home.
Despite that information, the suspect was never visited. Bar owner Nick Brooks was later told by police that was because the file was never even assigned to a detective as it wasn't "the only burglary" in Auckland.

Christchurch police have apologised for the delay in responding to a call about an intruder in a six-year-old girl's bedroom last Friday.
Sharleen Fenton, of Papanui, said she fled to a neighbour's house and called 111 after her daughter saw the intruder in her room at 9.30pm.
Fenton said she was told "it could take a while", and a police unit did not arrive until an hour later.

It took police more than an hour to get a patrol car to an Auckland home where two distressed and partially dressed teenagers ran screaming for help at 6am yesterday. But in an apparent blunder reminiscent of the Iraena Asher case, they took an hour to get there and had received four further phone calls before then. The teens ended up calling a taxi and left before police arrived. "It's one of these houses of hell. It has a long history," a Neighbourhood Support member said. "The residents in that part of the street are terrified."

about 5 years ago my farther rang the police 5 times asking them to turn up, the neighbour was beating his wife, again. They didn't turn up for 2.5 hours - by the time they did, he had killed her


But it's a good job they caught me before I killed somebody doing my 84 in a 70 zone 200 meters from the open road sign

[avgas]

You're Wrong !


You missed the point, the point is Smoky WAS clever enough to realise some krafty arsed coppa sat LITERALLY opposite him , just outside a national speed zone, would nick him; albeit via under handed tactics!



Under handed you say.. how so..??!


Was he camouflaged?! NO

Was he looking the other way?! NO

Was he booking someone else?! NO

Did he have a 'I play the fair play way!' sticker on his car?! NO

Did Smokey play the 'i'm allowed discretion' ticket .. YES

Did Smokys Karma basket overflow with Karma so much his ego said.. fook this.. im gonna flaunt teh laws infront of this dirty rozzaaa....??! YES



Why the fook would you NOT speed in front of him; knowing your tax is out of date........



duck shooting is right !
hahaha oh lord that is a crack up
I wish i could rep you more - for making me fall of the chair larfing my arse off.
Funny thing is - that if it was within 9kph, you can argue technically as to the machines accuracy.
Does bring up a valid point though - if given the opportunity to boot it past a cop (with no consequences). How many of us could say no.
I couldn't.

[boomer]

But it's a good job they caught me before I killed somebody doing my 84 in a 70 zone 200 meters from the open road sign

You're white i'm presuming because firstly ur dumb enough to get caught and secondly the cheeky darkies would have been down teh back roads, therefore you can afford to pay.. now shut teh FOOK up and stop moaning will you !

[boomer]

hahaha oh lord that is a crack up
I wish i could rep you more - for making me fall of the chair larfing my arse off.
Funny thing is - that if it was within 9kph, you can argue technically as to the machines accuracy.
Does bring up a valid point though - if given the opportunity to boot it past a cop (with no consequences). How many of us could say no.
I couldn't.

i tried to bling you, but i red blinged Smoky so much im all outta bling !


for the record.. i wouldnt stop either :)

[scumdog]

It's a learning process, with time they'll realise just as the UK and other countries have, that the amount of revenue earned is not directly linked to the number of lives saved or public safety. However as NZ is learning, this revenue exercise is a good way to show performance; it also helps fund themselves ( they need to do this in order to grow.. they show some figures over a few years, fund it with the ill gotten gains, realise a few years down the line with the aid of data/stats etc from European countries that have tried and tested it nearly a decade ago.. that this isn't the most beneficial way of policing )


'Must spread some rep':niceone:

[smoky]

You're white ( i presume, firstly cos ur dumb enough to get caught, secondly the cheeky darkies would have been of down teh back roads ) and can afford to pay.. now shut teh FOOK up and stop moaning will you !

Got any more abuse ??
how about addressing the points I make, or do you just come on here to prove how tough you are behind you're keyboard

You've exhausted your little vocabulary on this subject, You already agreed with the point I made (as SD has pointed out), now you're changing your mind so you can throw more shit around - so why don't you go play in another thread for while, there's a good boy

[scumdog]

peqfratisque

[scumdog]

For those who keep failing to understand the point of my post;

I am asking about the fact that we seem to be policed to the absolute letter of the law - cops just doing their job huh

I think they should spend more time actually making a difference, for instance;


An Auckland bar which was burgled three weeks ago was targeted again early yesterday - further frustrating the owner who believes it might not have happened if police had followed up leads about the first break-in
The thief was captured on video camera and the images - with a possible name and address for the man - were passed to police that same day, with a tip that he was selling the stolen liquor from his home.
Despite that information, the suspect was never visited. Bar owner Nick Brooks was later told by police that was because the file was never even assigned to a detective as it wasn't "the only burglary" in Auckland.

Christchurch police have apologised for the delay in responding to a call about an intruder in a six-year-old girl's bedroom last Friday.
Sharleen Fenton, of Papanui, said she fled to a neighbour's house and called 111 after her daughter saw the intruder in her room at 9.30pm.
Fenton said she was told "it could take a while", and a police unit did not arrive until an hour later.

It took police more than an hour to get a patrol car to an Auckland home where two distressed and partially dressed teenagers ran screaming for help at 6am yesterday. But in an apparent blunder reminiscent of the Iraena Asher case, they took an hour to get there and had received four further phone calls before then. The teens ended up calling a taxi and left before police arrived. "It's one of these houses of hell. It has a long history," a Neighbourhood Support member said. "The residents in that part of the street are terrified."

about 5 years ago my farther rang the police 5 times asking them to turn up, the neighbour was beating his wife, again. They didn't turn up for 2.5 hours - by the time they did, he had killed her


But it's a good job they caught me before I killed somebody doing my 84 in a 70 zone 200 meters from the open road sign

Woulda got the same sort of thing when traffic cops were Traffic Officers...
Traffic is not always police you may have noticed.

[boomer]

how about addressing the points I make



You already agreed with the point I made (as SD has pointed out),


1. What points...!?
2. I'm too retarded to understand remember..i still dont get 'it'

[smoky]

Woulda got the same sort of thing when traffic cops were Traffic Officers...
Traffic is not always police you may have noticed.

I thought the whole idea of amalgamating was to be more efficient and to have the flexibility to respond to the right priorities

[boomer]

Woulda got the same sort of thing when traffic cops were Traffic Officers...
Traffic is not always police you may have noticed.


Scummies on the pop ;:drinkup:

[Tone165]

Duplicated post...sorry!

[Tone165]

For those who keep failing to understand the point of my post;

I am asking about the fact that we seem to be policed to the absolute letter of the law - cops just doing their job huh



But it's a good job they caught me before I killed somebody doing my 84 in a 70 zone 200 meters from the open road sign

I absolutely agree and get your point. It is the same if not worse here in Qld where the new breed of traffic Police are "Mindless automotons" that can only adhere to the letter of ther law, are unable to use discression and lack any common sense!

But I still blame "us"

I was told of a case where the Cop reduced the recorded speed to compensate for good conditions at the time of the offence, only to have the speeder write in and complain that the cop lied about the speed so the whole thing should get thrown out....

or what about if a cop does not do exactly what is prescribed in the "book", and then has to defend his decision to his superiors??

If a cop let you off speeding and then later that day you crash....there are some cwho would try and sue the police for not preventing the crash!

I hate it as much as the next guy when I get treated like a number....makes little difference wether it is "The Banks" or "The Police" or even my local retailer...but we basically allowed the situation to develop.

Learn a lesson from it and stand up when you can..while you still can.

Once we are under Sharia law, there will be NO JUSTICE for anybody!

[scumdog]

I thought the whole idea of amalgamating was to be more efficient and to have the flexibility to respond to the right priorities

You believed a politician??:doh:

It was "I'll show you a cunning way to instantly make more police but still have the same number of traffic cops too":crazy:

[scumdog]

I was told of a case where the Cop reduced the recorded speed to compensate for good conditions at the time of the offence, only to have the speeder write in and complain that the cop lied about the speed so the whole thing should get thrown out....



True.
That's the grateful public for you....:shutup:

[boomer]

blah blah blah ... Once we are under Sharia law, there will be NO JUSTICE for anybody!


i was drifiting away until i read this bit.....

you're a fookin crack pot bro

[boomer]

True.
That's the grateful public for you....:shutup:


Some are dafter than they are stupid :msn-wink:

[Max Preload]

Put up what ? you're the one claiming to know it all, go and find out for our self, I'll accept your apology once you realise you're wrong
I'm just saying "you're wrong" - because I know you are
I could try to explain it all to you but you came on all knowing and rubbishing me - so you obviously don't want to know, and wouldn't believe me either
After all I'm a speeding criminal who should just shut up and fuck off - so a couple of you flat earth believers think


Your wrong

Put up the legislation or shut up. But you won't, because you can't, because it doesn't exist. So you claim to know and can't prove it. You know what that's called - being deluded.

Keep digging that hole, fool. :rofl: