Far too much power

[Chrislost]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596092


Mr Pope said police were still working out what type of offending this would cover, but it would probably be crimes prosecuted under the Summary Offences Act, which included disorderly behaviour, vandalism, tagging and indecent exposure.

It would mean those involved would not have to be processed through the lengthy justice system.

I do not like the sound of this.
Picture this, A party at a beach...
its 8 pm and a few trouble makers turn up...
by 9 pm the police turn up and by 10pm everyone at the beach who didn't run fast enough has a CRIMINAL RECCORD...
- 3 for indecent exposure(aka urinating on that tree over there)
- 2 for disorderly behavior (that charge is such bullshit, they can do you for yelling out the window of a car)
- 5 of the trouble makers escaped, only one of them was caught and he is going to court to get off charges of drinking in public

[NDORFN]

What ever happened to public opinion? The NZ police need to start a forum like this one so they can learn what the masses really want. Who knows, maybe the majority actually want a little violence to spice up thier otherwise dreary lives... maybe they want people to die on the roads because the world is already overpopulated. Who knows? There's only one way to find out.

[Sidewinder]

fuck that! i like the cells, get to see all my mates

[YellowDog]

I think we have finally found an accurate definition for a 'Police State'.

[Matt Bleck]

fuck that! i like the cells, get to see all my mates
rodger!? .

[Sidewinder]

rodger!? .

see you there this weekend yeh timaaaaaaaay?

[marty]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596092


I do not like the sound of this.
Picture this, A party at a beach...
its 8 pm and a few trouble makers turn up...
by 9 pm the police turn up and by 10pm everyone at the beach who didn't run fast enough has a CRIMINAL RECCORD...
- 3 for indecent exposure(aka urinating on that tree over there)
- 2 for disorderly behavior (that charge is such bullshit, they can do you for yelling out the window of a car)
- 5 of the trouble makers escaped, only one of them was caught and he is going to court to get off charges of drinking in public

- until your 3 year old enjoying his day at the beach cuts his foot requiring 100 stitches because some fucking loser left their rtd bottle in the sand, you won't understand how much some people despise this behaviour
- unrinating in public place has its own offence, so it's not indecent exposure
- disorderly actually has 2 offences - one simply behaving in disordely manner (like shouting out the car window at 2am waking everyone up), the other is likely to cause violence (faling short of an assault)
- drinking in public is only an offence if there is a liquor ban bylaw. it stopped being a public place offence in 1980. being drunk in a public is usually disorderly or offensive behaviour.

[Usarka]

What ever happened to public opinion? The NZ police need to start a forum like this one so they can learn what the masses really want. Who knows, maybe the majority actually want a little violence to spice up thier otherwise dreary lives... maybe they want people to die on the roads because the world is already overpopulated. Who knows? There's only one way to find out.

Herald websites got a majority vote in favour so far. Harold Poll Smoker (http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/poll/pub/polls/index.cfm?action=results&pollid=9B483BE1-AB56-6535-68A86F9574B3573F&CFID=628901&CFTOKEN=7db3afbbe484b816-288FCD76-CA89-4F59-540DA26B1CEDA81C)

[NDORFN]

Herald websites got a majority vote in favour so far. Harold Poll Smoker (http://dynamic.nzherald.co.nz/poll/pub/polls/index.cfm?action=results&pollid=9B483BE1-AB56-6535-68A86F9574B3573F&CFID=628901&CFTOKEN=7db3afbbe484b816-288FCD76-CA89-4F59-540DA26B1CEDA81C)

Trust a Herald Poll. Haha, think about WHO they're polling. Anyway... the solution isn't in heavier policing, it's in acknowledging a significant sector of society is in need of thier own designated area to hang out, break bottles, piss on trees, and generally do what teens do... get drunk and act like dicks, and if the rest of society should learn some tolerance toward people yelling out car windows (victimless crime) we'd save a fortune on tax for policing, and probably all have more understanding and respect for each other too. Maybe there will be a day when some Herald reading toff spots a drunk boyracer having a shit behind a tree in a public park and hands him the politcal section to wipe his arse with:msn-wink:

[scott411]

i like the idea in some ways, if it were similar to a speeding ticket where you can take it to court if you want to fight it, rather than having a shit load of people turn up to plead guilty,

as teh two arguments put above about the beach scene, one group's fun is another ones hell,

[Jonno.]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=107298

[Chrislost]

i like the idea in some ways, if it were similar to a speeding ticket where you can take it to court if you want to fight it, rather than having a shit load of people turn up to plead guilty,

as the two arguments put above about the beach scene, one group's fun is another ones hell,


the beach scene was all i could think of at the time, the REAL ISSUE IS THAT MANY YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET FUCKED OVER BY THE POLICE, just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

officer 1 "we dont even need to take this one back to the station, lets just give them all reccords and go to teh next party"
officer 2 "yep sounds like fun"
ginger "i want to frame them for more than just these, cant we take at least one back to the station"

[SMOKEU]

If you can't beat em, join em.

[NDORFN]

If you can't beat em, join em.

Unless it involves arse rape. Which in this case it does. Best to keep fighting.

[scott411]

the beach scene was all i could think of at the time, the REAL ISSUE IS THAT MANY YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET FUCKED OVER BY THE POLICE, just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

officer 1 "we dont even need to take this one back to the station, lets just give them all reccords and go to teh next party"
officer 2 "yep sounds like fun"
ginger "i want to frame them for more than just these, cant we take at least one back to the station"

if you were innocent, you would get left alone, and if you think you were in the right you could fight it, i don;t see the problem

the truth is the courts are tied up by alot of paperwork that does not need to be done for minor offenses, it would cost the country a whole lot less to do the same thing, give people a slap over the wrist

[SMOKEU]

if you were innocent, you would get left alone, and if you think you were in the right you could fight it, i don;t see the problem

the truth is the courts are tied up by alot of paperwork that does not need to be done for minor offenses, it would cost the country a whole lot less to do the same thing, give people a slap over the wrist

Bullshit, there are too many cops who take things too far and target innocent bystanders.

[NDORFN]

Bullshit, there are too many cops who take things too far and target innocent bystanders.

Exactly. And what kind of position is the prime target in to defend themselves in court anyway? The judge would shit on them just on appearance alone, not to mention the capital needed to defend oneself.

[scott411]

i think the cops do not have enough powers, and need to have a few more, the truth is they are not feared enough, if you new you were going to get maced or smacked with a paddy stick if you did not listen to them you wold have far less problems with out of control crowds,

and the term innocent bystander is a subjective, if someone is sitting watching and encouraging anti social or illegal behaviour in my opinion they are not that innocent.

[NDORFN]

i think the cops do not have enough powers, and need to have a few more, the truth is they are not feared enough, if you new you were going to get maced or smacked with a paddy stick if you did not listen to them you wold have far less problems with out of control crowds,

and the term innocent bystander is a subjective, if someone is sitting watching and encouraging anti social or illegal behaviour in my opinion they are not that innocent.

I think someone needs to grow some balls. You're basically saying that you're too wimp to defend yourself or even put some effort into the notion, and yet you expect someone witnessing thier pairs commiting crime to intervene? As if you would. Take some boxing lessons or something. Trust me, the cops aren't anywhere near as tough as you seem to think they are. Best bet is get hard, and depend only on yourself. The law is always there if you need it, cops or no cops.

[peasea]

rodger!? .

You rodger your mates in the cells? Eeeww!

[scott411]

i am not saying they should intervene at all, i am saying that if you are watching, then don't get the fuck out of the way when directed to you are not innocent,

cops are not anything special, they are normal people with a job to do, and they are under resourced alot of the time to do that job,

[Elysium]

I like the sound of this! I AM THE LAW!!
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Sylvester-Stallone-Judge-Dredd-Photograph-C10056279.jpeg

[Patrick]

The sky is falling.... the sky is falling...

Next thing you know the snakes will issue infringement offence notices on the spot...

Oh....

Hang on....

Carry on.... as you were..... :sleep::sleep::sleep:

[Elysium]

Its not like it will change image police already have anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNUCUJ4IMfU

[Patrick]

[QUOTE=Elysium;1129396903]Its not like it will change image police already have anyway.

Sigh... I miss the good ole days.....

[ready4whatever]

fuck that! i like the cells, get to see all my mates

I went in there few weeks ago for fighting outside the club. Funny seeing all the tagging on the ceiling by peoples lighters etc

[jaymzw]

I do not like the sound of this.
Picture this, A party at a beach...
its 8 pm and a few trouble makers turn up...
by 9 pm the police turn up and by 10pm everyone at the beach who didn't run fast enough has a CRIMINAL RECCORD...
- 3 for indecent exposure(aka urinating on that tree over there)
- 2 for disorderly behavior (that charge is such bullshit, they can do you for yelling out the window of a car)
- 5 of the trouble makers escaped, only one of them was caught and he is going to court to get off charges of drinking in public

Beaches arent good places to drink!!!

Dont know how old you are but if you have ever been at Long Bay Beach on a Friday when the cops turn up you will know what i mean.

Riot squad with battens. "Run motherfucker" if that doesnt motivate you to move your ass i dont know what will.

If they turned up at 9 and you are still there at 10 you must be a little thick too. If a cop asks you to do something,whether in the right or the wrong i think you would do it. Especially if you were/are drinking in a pubic place.

I know that its only hypothetical but i dont see anything wrong with it

[Cheshire Cat]

fuck that! i like the cells, get to see all my mates

hot sweaty bum sex ae :msn-wink:

[NDORFN]

hot sweaty bum sex ae :msn-wink:

And that's just while the cops are "processing" him.

[Cheshire Cat]

And that's just while the cops are "processing" him.

fail:blank:

[NDORFN]

fail:blank:

What happened to "Get a perm" ?

[Cheshire Cat]

What happened to "Get a perm" ?

Yo mum:blank::wacko:

[Chrislost]

The sky is falling.... the sky is falling...

Next thing you know the snakes will issue infringement offence notices on the spot...

Oh....

Hang on....

Carry on.... as you were..... :sleep::sleep::sleep:

fuck off pig.

we are talking about your kind, we dont want your input.

[avgas]

it's in acknowledging a significant sector of society is in need of thier own designated area to hang out, break bottles, piss on trees, and generally do what teens do...
They do - its called the wops, where you can see the cops from 100kms away.
Its also (for the most part) away from me.

[scott411]

since i can not be assed having a red rep war, ill post a reply here, if something you don;t like about what i say, say something intelligent that might change the way i think

Chrislost - one persons's fun is a another person's pain in the ass, if you lived next door to a place that keep having parties every saturday night you would get sick of it fats, and callt he cops to sort it out, as its there job, as someone put above here, the place to be anti social like you expain is out of the way of everyone else, not in the middle of town,

[Patrick]

fuck off pig.

OK boy... lets put it in plain english, if you passed plain english mid terms this week, that is.....

All that is being considered is the issue of an instant fine, just like a ticket, for minor matters, just like they do in traffic. And just like one can do in traffic matters, you can actually challenge the ticket and plead not guilty.

Plain enough for you, you keyboard warrior you?

[NDORFN]

OK boy... lets put it in plain english, if you passed plain english mid terms this week, that is.....

All that is being considered is the issue of an instant fine, just like a ticket, for minor matters, just like they do in traffic. And just like one can do in traffic matters, you can actually challenge the ticket and plead not guilty.

Plain enough for you, you keyboard warrior you?

If he's a keyboard warrior then you're a keyboard super hero.

[Patrick]

If he's a keyboard warrior then you're a keyboard super hero.

Shit no... just putting some balance into the frothy ravings and dodgy Harold reporting.... again....

But hey, the sky is falling..... the sky is falling.....

[Morcs]

- unrinating in public place has its own offence, so it's not indecent exposure


Everytime ive been pulled up by the cops ive asked them if theyll arrest me if I go and leak on that bush over there. They all say go for it.

[NDORFN]

Shit no... just putting some balance into the frothy ravings and dodgy Harold reporting.... again....

But hey, the sky is falling..... the sky is falling.....

I hope I never have the displeasure of your company.

[The Pastor]

There is no way this can ever come into effect

[Patrick]

I hope I never have the displeasure of your company.

Your loss.... :crybaby::whocares:

[NDORFN]

Your loss.... :crybaby::whocares:

Loss? You're an interesting dude but you've got such an extreme moral superiority complex. More like cutting even I'd say.

[Patrick]

Loss? You're an interesting dude but you've got such an extreme moral superiority complex. More like cutting even I'd say.

Huh? Lost me big time there. Explain....

[NDORFN]

Huh? Lost me big time there. Explain....

I mean the fact you'd make interesting conversation is outweighed by the fact you think you're morally superior to all but the police. So no loss.

[Patrick]

I mean the fact you'd make interesting conversation is outweighed by the fact you think you're morally superior to all but the police. So no loss.

Really? Where does this come from?

Explain, so I can right the wrong....

Bet you can't.........

All I did was point out what is actually being considered, as in something I know about, not what the anti Police brigade "think" is going to happen.

Somehow, that upset you.

[NDORFN]

Really? Where does this come from?

Explain, so I can right the wrong....

Bet you can't.........

Meh, it's not my problem.

[Patrick]

Meh, it's not my problem.

Figured you couldn't....

Aint mine either....

[nudemetalz]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596092


I do not like the sound of this.
Picture this, A party at a beach...
its 8 pm and a few trouble makers turn up...
by 9 pm the police turn up and by 10pm everyone at the beach who didn't run fast enough has a CRIMINAL RECCORD...
- 3 for indecent exposure(aka urinating on that tree over there)
- 2 for disorderly behavior (that charge is such bullshit, they can do you for yelling out the window of a car)
- 5 of the trouble makers escaped, only one of them was caught and he is going to court to get off charges of drinking in public

four counts of indecent exposure...

two counts of lewd lascivious behaviour...

one count of pure jealousy....... :Police: