Sponsorship vs pay your own way

[Her_C4]

Given the lack of interest in my offer to sponsor riders by footing the entry fee for Rd 6 HERE (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129439998&postcount=11) I was wondering whether there is any interest out there by riders for sponsorship at ground level or if indeed it is as well covered as it appears to be.


Following on from the good work of many others, we were thinking about helping out a new rider next year at entry level with a bike (probably RGB150 or Formula 3) and the majority of associated costs with racing and maintaining it, but won't go down that path if there is no interest, and people preferring to pay their own way.


I know it is a bit early to be thinking about next year already, but we want to get a good headstart if we decide to proceed.



Thoughts, comments, feedback, interest?

[mossy1200]

Seeing as I had prepayed the session didnt bother.Surprised two was it though.
You can sponcer an old broke guy if you like.
Im almost new and improving

[sinfull]

I know a young lad who's screaming to get in at entry level, but unfortunately wont be old enough till end of next year !!!

[neil_cb125t]

totally!! We are all looking for help. I seriously am struggling to pay my own way.

The Round 6 entry unfourtunatley is well covered - people entered over 6 months ago. If you were saying I have $100 to give anyone are you keen you would not be able to controll the mob!!:shit::wari:

[Shaun]

Given the lack of interest in my offer to sponsor riders by footing the entry fee for Rd 6 HERE (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129439998&postcount=11) I was wondering whether there is any interest out there by riders for sponsorship at ground level or if indeed it is as well covered as it appears to be.


Following on from the good work of many others, we were thinking about helping out a new rider next year at entry level with a bike (probably RGB150 or Formula 3) and the majority of associated costs with racing and maintaining it, but won't go down that path if there is no interest, and people preferring to pay their own way.


I know it is a bit early to be thinking about next year already, but we want to get a good headstart if we decide to proceed.



Thoughts, comments, feedback, interest?


Very Very generous of you to offer to spend your own money on a racer:sunny:

Re Sponsorship, may I suggest that you just choose who you think deserves your finance help, and go with that!!!!

[Sparky Bills]

Pick me! Pick me!! :innocent:

I had already entered for round 6 also so thought id let someone who hadnt take your generous offer.
I cant believe that knowone got in touch with you.

You know where I am Chrissie.... hehe

[TK3]

Given the lack of interest in my offer to sponsor riders by footing the entry fee for Rd 6 HERE (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129439998&postcount=11) I was wondering whether there is any interest out there by riders for sponsorship at ground level or if indeed it is as well covered as it appears to be.


Following on from the good work of many others, we were thinking about helping out a new rider next year at entry level with a bike (probably RGB150 or Formula 3) and the majority of associated costs with racing and maintaining it, but won't go down that path if there is no interest, and people preferring to pay their own way.


I know it is a bit early to be thinking about next year already, but we want to get a good headstart if we decide to proceed.



Thoughts, comments, feedback, interest?

Great Idea, I'm a huge fan of helping out young riders, If you need a hand to prep or maintain the bike I would like to help. I can help with tyres, oils let me know if you are interested.:rockon:

[NinjaNanna]

Does the offer extend to over 30+ year old jaffas?

Seriously though, as Shaun said you should look for a young rider who you believe may deserve and appreciate it.

Be very clear about your expectations of the rider though (not competive expectations - but social and work ethic expectations), whilst this is nearly a free ride - it shouldn't be percieved as one.

[Skunk]

Very generous offer Chrissie, love to take it myself but I don't look like being able to race next year as I'm helping someone as much as I can. I looked around at who I thought was dedicated, broke and improving their skills and helped them. I'd suggest you do the same.

[Mudflaps]

I've PM'd you. Hear from you soon.

[little.whittle]

Would anyone do sponsorship in enduro x-country?? :sweatdrop

[Clivoris]

Was this on top of the one you gave away at round 5 Chrissie? Hard to believe money is so hard to give away but I have run into similar problems with substantial scholarships for people studying toward health related qualifications. I am part of a scholarship board and the number of people who say things like "I didn't apply because I thought there would be someone more deserving" is insane. Good onya for trying mate and don't give up. There are battlers in every class.

[FROSTY]

Good onya chrissy. I agree totally with Shaun here.Pick someone you think deserving and just do it.
As an old has been (or better probably coulda been) I concidered myself to be unbelievably lucky when an incredably generous person paid my entry fees to a race meeting I couldn't afford to attend.

[Str8 Jacket]

I for one appreciate your offer!! ;)

I am hoping to go out and get some sponsorship next year. I didn't bother this year as I have had absolutely nothing to offer anyone, no photos of me on the track and a really 'well-used looking' bike. After teh winter round I am going to be painting my bike up nicely and put a CV together.

What I find really frustrating is that I was offered a pretty good sponsorship from a large world-wide company through work but had to turn it down as I work for the Govt. Govt workers cannot benefit from perks as it can be perceived as bribery.

[Tony.OK]

Lets not forget us older up and coming riders :whocares:

Almost seems to be harder to get help when your on a very limited time span:crybaby:

[Str8 Jacket]

Lets not forget us older up and coming riders :whocares:

Almost seems to be harder to get help when your on a very limited time span:crybaby:

TBH mate, I am not exactly a 'spring chicken', I know how ya feel! ;)

[Her_C4]

Well, a lot more response to this one than we thought. Just want to clarify that we are looking to help a new racer on either an RGB150 or F3 bike or similar. By no means have we made up our minds to go ahead (however we currently see no reason why not!)

I will get back to all the PM's and messages.


Seeing as I had prepayed the session didnt bother.Surprised two was it though.
You can sponcer an old broke guy if you like.
Im almost new and improving

Yes I was surprised too!


I know a young lad who's screaming to get in at entry level, but unfortunately wont be old enough till end of next year !!!

There is always another year! :rockon:


totally!! We are all looking for help. I seriously am struggling to pay my own way.

The Round 6 entry unfourtunatley is well covered - people entered over 6 months ago. If you were saying I have $100 to give anyone are you keen you would not be able to controll the mob!!

You raise a good point, especially as I was a little late with my offer.


Very Very generous of you to offer to spend your own money on a racer

Re Sponsorship, may I suggest that you just choose who you think deserves your finance help, and go with that!!!!

Yes may well do if I decide to go ahead!!


Pick me! Pick me!!

I had already entered for round 6 also so thought id let someone who hadnt take your generous offer.
I cant believe that knowone got in touch with you.

You know where I am Chrissie.... hehe

On a Honda?:yes:


Great Idea, I'm a huge fan of helping out young riders, If you need a hand to prep or maintain the bike I would like to help. I can help with tyres, oils let me know if you are interested.

Sounds fantastic TK3 - If we decide to proceed with this plan we will be in touch for sure! Thanks.:sunny:


Does the offer extend to over 30+ year old jaffas?

Seriously though, as Shaun said you should look for a young rider who you believe may deserve and appreciate it.

Be very clear about your expectations of the rider though (not competive expectations - but social and work ethic expectations), whilst this is nearly a free ride - it shouldn't be percieved as one.

Oh yes I believe that I am the sort of person who will be very clear about expectations - once we decide what they are! Thank you for your comments.


Very generous offer Chrissie, love to take it myself but I don't look like being able to race next year as I'm helping someone as much as I can. I looked around at who I thought was dedicated, broke and improving their skills and helped them. I'd suggest you do the same.

Yep good advice. Still working through the 'will we - won't we' stuff...


I've PM'd you. Hear from you soon.

Thanks - sounds good - will be in touch.:yes:


Would anyone do sponsorship in enduro x-country??

No idea! Pop a CV together with some GREAT photo's and get it around and about :sunny:


Was this on top of the one you gave away at round 5 Chrissie? Hard to believe money is so hard to give away but I have run into similar problems with substantial scholarships for people studying toward health related qualifications. I am part of a scholarship board and the number of people who say things like "I didn't apply because I thought there would be someone more deserving" is insane. Good onya for trying mate and don't give up. There are battlers in every class.

Thanks Bud - I left it a bit late to offer I guess, I have covered the entry fees for other riders this year for the season and we have agreed that we might like to take it a bit further for next.


Good onya chrissy. I agree totally with Shaun here.Pick someone you think deserving and just do it.
As an old has been (or better probably coulda been) I concidered myself to be unbelievably lucky when an incredably generous person paid my entry fees to a race meeting I couldn't afford to attend.

Cheers Frosty - yep know the feeling :sunny:


I for one appreciate your offer!! ;)

I am hoping to go out and get some sponsorship next year. I didn't bother this year as I have had absolutely nothing to offer anyone, no photos of me on the track and a really 'well-used looking' bike. After teh winter round I am going to be painting my bike up nicely and put a CV together.

What I find really frustrating is that I was offered a pretty good sponsorship from a large world-wide company through work but had to turn it down as I work for the Govt. Govt workers cannot benefit from perks as it can be perceived as bribery.

NO PHOTO'S!!!???? WHAT? Talk to that Chrissie - she will sort you some out mate:wari:


Lets not forget us older up and coming riders :whocares:

Almost seems to be harder to get help when your on a very limited time span:crybaby:

Yes - so I am told ... every round... he he he


TBH mate, I am not exactly a 'spring chicken', I know how ya feel!

ha ha ha - you old thing you...

[mossy1200]

Its growing on me.

[Whitebait]

I know a young fella in Wanganui that's keen to get into Road Racing.

What sort of info do you want to know about a potential candidate??

[Biggles08]

Interesting reading this thread. All things considered I believe motorcycle riders/racers are a bit slow on the whole sponsorship deal myself. Its not really rocket science and all it takes is a bit of effort. I guess its a bit like cold calling as a sales rep...most people give up after the first few rejections cause its just too hard. I have a few ideas on how to get through this initial stage of disappointment and I'm happy to share some ideas with who ever needs some help. I'm not saying I have all the answers at all but I think some people have no idea about how to approach people and offer them some benifit to get involved with sponsorship. This is my first year of racing and at last count I have 9 sponsors helping me out in some form...its an ongoing commitment however and this is what most racers don't understand.

I'm happy to help where I can...pm me

[mossy1200]

First step is listing all your expenses.It gives you a good idea where the money is going.
If you dont know whats its costing and how much your investing in the sport a sponsor will have no idea.I found it to be the most important page in your race folder.When a sponsor gets serious about helping you out which page do you think becomes his primory interest at that point.Listing items separately gives the sponsor the option of picking an item in their budget and also shows them that you are serious in you own contribution.The funny thing is that the least valuable items are not the items that they target.If you have a current sponsor put their name beside that item in bold print and dont omit the item from your list.You dont have to be the star of f1 or f2 to be interesting to others you just have to be keen and motivated.

AS important a achievements is goals.

[Her_C4]

Its growing on me.

Ha ha ha :banana::lol: its growing on me too... NOT! :)


I know a young fella in Wanganui that's keen to get into Road Racing.

What sort of info do you want to know about a potential candidate??

The decision to commit has not yet been made, more trying to gauge interest levels. I would imagine like any potential sponsor, I would be interested in seeing a CV of some kind - more looking for any rider to be able to demonstrate why he/she stands out from all the rest.

Expecting to see some evidence from them on what makes them different? What are their committment levels? As someone mentioned ^^ above somewhere, it might be ride for free but it's not a free ride.


Interesting reading this thread. All things considered I believe motorcycle riders/racers are a bit slow on the whole sponsorship deal myself. Its not really rocket science and all it takes is a bit of effort. I guess its a bit like cold calling as a sales rep...most people give up after the first few rejections cause its just too hard. I have a few ideas on how to get through this initial stage of disappointment and I'm happy to share some ideas with who ever needs some help. I'm not saying I have all the answers at all but I think some people have no idea about how to approach people and offer them some benifit to get involved with sponsorship. This is my first year of racing and at last count I have 9 sponsors helping me out in some form...its an ongoing commitment however and this is what most racers don't understand.

I'm happy to help where I can...pm me

I can't help wondering if this is true. It doesn't really take a lot of effort!!

I too am able assist putting race CV's together (and obviously photo's!) as well as some ideas re approach. Too often someone says 'no' and we tend to give up instead of looking at how we could refine the approach to the audience / potential sponsor. They are definitely out there - you just have to ask.:whistle:


First step is listing all your expenses.It gives you a good idea where the money is going.
If you dont know whats its costing and how much your investing in the sport a sponsor will have no idea.I found it to be the most important page in your race folder.When a sponsor gets serious about helping you out which page do you think becomes his primory interest at that point.Listing items separately gives the sponsor the option of picking an item in their budget and also shows them that you are serious in you own contribution.The funny thing is that the least valuable items are not the items that they target.If you have a current sponsor put their name beside that item in bold print and dont omit the item from your list.You dont have to be the star of f1 or f2 to be interesting to others you just have to be keen and motivated.

AS important a achievements is goals.

Now this is a GREAT idea and one that works for me in a number of different situations when I am asked to contribute. This way I can see exactly what I am up for, and I know what I get in return (generally people are looking for something in return, albeit a small thing!). It allows me to (re)assess my original thoughts / offer against the items outstanding and go for a higher end if I choose to, or a number of smaller ones - I can see exactly where my money / effort / time is going to be expended.

IMO keenness, motivation and tenaciousness are key attributes for anyone looking for support from others (regardless of the category).

[Duke girl]

Interesting reading this thread. All things considered I believe motorcycle riders/racers are a bit slow on the whole sponsorship deal myself. Its not really rocket science and all it takes is a bit of effort. I guess its a bit like cold calling as a sales rep...most people give up after the first few rejections cause its just too hard. I have a few ideas on how to get through this initial stage of disappointment and I'm happy to share some ideas with who ever needs some help. I'm not saying I have all the answers at all but I think some people have no idea about how to approach people and offer them some benifit to get involved with sponsorship. This is my first year of racing and at last count I have 9 sponsors helping me out in some form...its an ongoing commitment however and this is what most racers don't understand.

I'm happy to help where I can...pm me

What we need is someone like you (Role Model comes to mind) to give a speech to these Riders wanting and looking at finding sponsors on how to approach them and how not to give up after being rejected a couple of times.
Teach them how to come across positive.
Just a thought Marcus.

[quallman1234]

I have seen many instances where a person receives some sort of support from a company, and doesn't give anything back to that company, therefore putting that certain company at a negative approach towards supporting our sport more in the future.
I would be sending them race reports. Loads of photo's for their newsletter etc.
Thanking them for their support, and trying to promote them wherever i can.

Lots of people think when they get the support, the deed is done.

Excuse the rant.

[Biggles08]

I have seen many instances where a person receives some sort of support from a company, and doesn't give anything back to that company, therefore putting that certain company at a negative approach towards supporting our sport more in the future.
I would be sending them race reports. Loads of photo's for their newsletter etc.
Thanking them for their support, and trying to promote them wherever i can.

Lots of people think when they get the support, the deed is done.

Excuse the rant.

You are 100% correct with this...its completely about promotion from the sponsors point of view. In fact a good way too look at it to change your mindset is to not even call it sponsorship...call it marketing. You are offering a marketing package to a company and it is up to you to convince them that its a worthwhile alternative to whatever they were going to do. THEN you have to provide what you have promised...like any customer (because that is what they are if they have given you money) if they don't get what they have paid for they will be shitty and unlikely to go that road again.

Marcus

[Biggles08]

What we need is someone like you (Role Model comes to mind) to give a speech to these Riders wanting and looking at finding sponsors on how to approach them and how not to give up after being rejected a couple of times.
Teach them how to come across positive.
Just a thought Marcus.

I'm sure many on KB would disagree with you skip! lol:whistle:

[Duke girl]

I'm sure many on KB would disagree with you skip! lol:whistle:

How do you work that out especially seeing that you have plenty of sponsors.
I thought you would be 1 of maybe many who have as many sponsors as you do who would be able to give advice to those who are wanting sponsorship to help them with their Racing and who dont know how to go about approaching those who they would like to approach and help.

And I totally agree with what quallman1234 said about giving back to those sponsors who have given to them, as it would be a good way off holding on to them for as long as you can. Its not all about taking, as its about giving back as well. 2 Way Street.

[Biggles08]

How do you work that out especially seeing that you have plenty of sponsors.
I thought you would be 1 of maybe many who have as many sponsors as you do who would be able to give advice to those who are wanting sponsorship to help them with their Racing and who dont know how to go about approaching those who they would like to approach and help.

And I totally agree with what quallman1234 said about giving back to those sponsors who have given to them, as it would be a good way off holding on to them for as long as you can. Its not all about taking, as its about giving back as well. 2 Way Street.

Well thanks Skip and I have no problem helping others that want to learn...my comment was in regards to some on here who have a problem understanding the fact that not everyone who has a critical opinion (ie me) needs to be on a committee to share it! Nevermind...as you were :cool:.

[CHET]

have sent you a pm hope to hear back from you
:niceone:

[Her_C4]

have sent you a pm hope to hear back from you
:niceone:

Hey sorry to keep you waiting on a response - the consultation bit is a tad difficult this week :cool:

Promise to get back to you (and all the others!!!) tonight. :banana:

[avgas]

But lets not stop there.
I want to see it televised.
Better than that Rubbish they call F1 and MotoGP - I wanna see buckets and 150's please, at least they have some character.
Last time I watch MotoGP it was like porn...without the sex....and boobies.....in fact I didn't see any women either.....so what's left?

F1 was like days of our lives, without "snake-the-eye-patch-man"

[Her_C4]

But lets not stop there.
I want to see it televised.
Better than that Rubbish they call F1 and MotoGP - I wanna see buckets and 150's please, at least they have some character.
Last time I watch MotoGP it was like porn...without the sex....and boobies.....in fact I didn't see any women either.....so what's left?

F1 was like days of our lives, without "snake-the-eye-patch-man"

:(:baby: err what? :blank:

[wharfy]

:(:baby: err what? :blank:

I think some one has got their threads crossed ?

[Duke girl]

I think some one has got their threads crossed ?

Maybe he has been drinking his PROFILE NAME?.