Aisling Symes found

[marty]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10602785

The Mayor of Waitakere Bob Harvey has confirmed to the NZ Herald a body has been found near the Henderson property where two-year-old Aisling Symes went missing.

Earlier, neighbours reported a drainage crew inspecting a storm water line near the property with a camera.

A police camera crew has just entered the crimescene.

A senior crime officer was seen entering the area with a small box with nother policeman entered the area with an industrial flashlight.

Police and the fire service have been excavating at the back of the Henderson property with 3News reporting raw sewage spilling from the excavation site.

[Mully]

Sad if it is her.

Bob Harvey needs to shut the fuck up. Wanker

[MadDuck]

Very sad indeed. But I guess it gives her Mum and Dad some kind of closure

[nothingflash]

I'll say - why the fuck is the mayor the one to make any announcement?

[marty]

I'm sure he discussed his disclosure with the Police before doing so. There was a huge crowd outside and there was no secret the cops were onto something big, so why not let it be known.

[ready4whatever]

How close to the property? 70 cops and hundreds of others, thought they would of found her earlier..

[YellowDog]

Yes I do agree.

Very sad indeed.

[325rocket]

gutted for the family

[sil3nt]

Pretty damn close apparently. Thought they checked all the drains!

[marty]

How close to the property? 70 cops and hundreds of others, thought they would of found her earlier..

What a fucking stupid thing to say. I'm pretty confident they weren't just all sitting around drinking coffee and eating muffins for the past week.

[nothingflash]

I'm sure he discussed his disclosure with the Police before doing so. There was a huge crowd outside and there was no secret the cops were onto something big, so why not let it be known.

yeah fair enough - pretty frickin sad.

[Mully]

I'm sure he discussed his disclosure with the Police before doing so.

I'm not convinced. Bob Harvey is an incurable attention whore. My money is on him using his position to get close or get information and want to be the one to break the news to the salivating masses.

[ital916]

Now comes the sad part of identifying the body and figuring out how she could get into a sealed septic tank if she is in there. Or how she managed to go down a storm water drain (which aint difficult they are big).

The nz herald states the tip came in of her whereabouts after the 50k reward was offered.(Can someone verify).

Either way it dont mean squat, an innocent childs life is lost. It is a sad day.

Lets not forget the millions of children who die without a mention in the news. :bye:

[Big Dan]

Can we all wait till its confirmed please

Sure it does look like it could be her but lets wait for it to be comfirmed

The officer in charge hasn't said its her so lets wait and i know it doesn't look good

[Maki]

Very very sorry. It's terrible, but at least they KNOW where she is and they can say goodbye to her with a funeral.

They can at least get on with their lives now without the torture of not knowing, and imagining where she could be is over.

God bless them.

[ready4whatever]

Thats why you watch your kids. sad

[MadDuck]

Can we all wait till its confirmed please

It has been.

[Mully]

Can we all wait till its confirmed please

Sure it does look like it could be her but lets wait for it to be comfirmed

The officer in charge hasn't said its her so lets wait and i know it doesn't look good

+1 - good point fella.

Bling duly awarded.

[Big Dan]

It has been.

who by some mayor fuck him he's an assuming prick and can piss off i'll wait for the officer in charge to comfirm it thanks he's the one that makes the call not some pen pusher on a power trip its none of the fucken mayors business to make media comments about a police investigation

[MadDuck]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6208915/reports-body-found-near-where-toddler-disappeared/

Nah because the interweb told me so.

[NDORFN]

Thats why you watch your kids. sad

Fucken A. It only takes a moment and they're off. Stupid parents :angry: Poor kid :bye: To be fair, with genes like that it's probably for the greater good :yes: What? Too soon? :gob:

[kunoichi]

they were inside clearing out a house, not really an excuse for not keeping an eye on a child, let alone a curious two year old. It's sad, but it happens. Hope it does bring the family some closure.

[Maki]

Fucken A. It only takes a moment and they're off. Stupid parents :angry: Poor kid :bye: To be fair, with genes like that it's probably for the greater good :yes: What? Too soon? :gob:

I have had a 2 year old run away from me, and disappear, just after looking away for a second and I promise you I am not stupid. One thing I do know is that you are an idiot.

[NDORFN]

I have had a 2 year old run away from me, and disappear, just after looking away for a second and I promise you I am not stupid. One thing I do know is that you are an idiot.

You put your 2 year old in a position in which he/she could completely disappear in one second and you're calling ME and idiot. No excuses buddy. If your kid gets away on ya, you're not doing your job.

[Maha]

You put your 2 year old in a position in which he/she could completely disappear in one second and you're calling ME and idiot. No excuses buddy. If your kid gets away on ya, you're not doing your job.

It aint about you or Maki, its about Aisling Symes, some things are better left unsaid.

[Big Dan]

You put your 2 year old in a position in which he/she could completely disappear in one second and you're calling ME and idiot. No excuses buddy. If your kid gets away on ya, you're not doing your job.

Mate if you have kids and had just lost one like the symes have would you want people saying the shit your saying NO i didn't think so if your a parent then you should be more sympathetic and if you don't have kids who the fuck are you to judge what parents do i bet your parents never saw everything you did when you we a kid i know mine didn't

Grow up and show some damn human decency

Also to others can we maybe refer back to biker down thread rules and not spectulate on cause of death and things like that there is a police investigation for that and we shouldn't assume things

I'm going to site tomorrow to leave a small bunch of flowers and pay my respects

[kunoichi]

It aint about you or Maki, its about Aisling Symes, some things are better left unsaid.

:yeah: i think the parents feel guilty enough as it is, without everyone verbalizing the very thoughts they are having.

[mynameis]

If it is her then it's very sad and tragic, hope it doesn't happen to anyone else.

People make mistakes and people learn from them.

[NDORFN]

Mate if you have kids and had just lost one like the symes have would you want people saying the shit your saying NO i didn't think so if your a parent then you should be more sympathetic and if you don't have kids who the fuck are you to judge what parents do i bet your parents never saw everything you did when you we a kid i know mine didn't

Grow up and show some damn human decency

Also to others can we maybe refer back to biker down thread rules and not spectulate on cause of death and things like that there is a police investigation for that and we shouldn't assume things

I'm going to site tomorrow to leave a small bunch of flowers and pay my respects


I'm sorry, I didn't realise the parents were KB members and would likely read my comments. Pitty... if they were, I'd tell them they fucked up. Proper fucked up. Lesson to be learnt for anyone who want to look at the situation from a less emotional perspective.

[kunoichi]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise the parents were KB members and would likely read my comments. Pitty... if they were, I'd tell them they fucked up. Proper fucked up. Lesson to be learnt for anyone who want to look at the situation from a less emotional perspective.

from a less emotional perspective at a very emotional situation? humanity and decency also come into this, which are 3 areas which you have shown to lack in. Like i said, the parents are feeling worse than you could possibly imagine, they don't need verbalization to something they already know. As was said before, some things are better left unsaid, and this would b one of those things.

[MadDuck]

I'd tell them they fucked up. Proper fucked up. Lesson to be learnt for anyone who want to look at the situation from a less emotional perspective.

Now as I dont own any rugrats I have to say I am impressed with the speed they move at when they decide there is something to explore.

I also know that KBers seem to think they know best about just about damn everything. Even if they dont.

Sad day for her parents...........

[NDORFN]

from a less emotional perspective at a very emotional situation? humanity and decency also come into this, which are 3 areas which you have shown to lack in. Like i said, the parents are feeling worse than you could possibly imagine, they don't need verbalization to something they already know. As was said before, some things are better left unsaid, and this would b one of those things.

I'm entitled to express my emotional response to the news just like everyone else. Whilst the accpepted thing to do is express compassion and sympathy, I reserve the right to express another perfectly natural emotional response... anger. Ok? The reality here is that not one single word in this thread will be read by the parents, and doubtful anyone remotely related to the incident. So it's not of any consequence... except that we should all, especially those with kids or those who are responsible for kids, take it as a reminder of what can happen if you don't keep a damn good eye on those sneaky little buggers.

[kunoichi]

u'r entitled to expressing anger, yes. But i'm just thinking that you'r probably stepping on alot of parents toes atm. They would ofcoarse take this incident as a reminder to keep an eye out, no need to yell it out or start name calling.

[NDORFN]

u'r entitled to expressing anger, yes. But i'm just thinking that you'r probably stepping on alot of parents toes atm. They would ofcoarse take this incident as a reminder to keep an eye out, no need to yell it out or start name calling.

I didn't yell it out, and the closest I came to name calling was "Stupid parents". WTF is this... church or the internet?

[Big Dan]

I didn't yell it out, and the closest I came to name calling was "Stupid parents". WTF is this... church or the internet?


u'r entitled to expressing anger, yes. But i'm just thinking that you'r probably stepping on alot of parents toes atm. They would ofcoarse take this incident as a reminder to keep an eye out, no need to yell it out or start name calling.

Guys can you not make this about you This is about a little girl gone far to soon

NB; to everyone I'm not wanting bling for any of my posts despite what NDORFN thinks

[paddy]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise the parents were KB members and would likely read my comments. Pitty... if they were, I'd tell them they fucked up. Proper fucked up. Lesson to be learnt for anyone who want to look at the situation from a less emotional perspective.

I'm guessing that you don't have kids. They can move pretty quick even when you are extremely careful.

People are emotional beings and they are going to look at the situation from an emotional perspective. Just like you are. Expressing you self centred, everybody look at me, look at what I can write, I know best emotion. If that's who you are - that's fine. But this isn't the place for it.

Given the sort of things the mods seem to jump on I'm surprised that this sort of posting isn't curtailed.

[kunoichi]

Agreed!:yes:

[NDORFN]

I'm guessing that you don't have kids. They can move pretty quick even when you are extremely careful.

People are emotional beings and they are going to look at the situation from an emotional perspective. Just like you are. Expressing you self centred, everybody look at me, look at what I can write, I know best emotion. If that's who you are - that's fine. But this isn't the place for it.

Given the sort of things the mods seem to jump on I'm surprised that this sort of posting isn't curtailed.

This thread is an announcement of a story released by a news agency and is open for discussion. If you want a "Place for it", start a RIP Aisling Symes thread.

[DIN PELENDA]

How close to the property? 70 cops and hundreds of others, thought they would of found her earlier..


Pretty damn close apparently. Thought they checked all the drains!

200m close ! You will think police dog will found her.
Just wonder if police is still searching for Chinese women further down drain :Police: = :weird: F&^%^ useless!

[davereid]

I'm so sad for her parents, they will blame themselves for ever, and so will an uninformed few, who have never suffered from a moments inattention.

Children can move at a blistering pace, and no one can be on top of their game, 24 hours a day for 15 years.

There but for the grace of god go I.

This brings closure, the family no longer have to worry about their little girl, and the community that has helped so massively can go ome to their own kids, without thinking that a child predator is 1-nil.

My sincere condolances to the family.

[peasea]

"Visibly upset, Davey said the property had been cordoned off and was now being treated as a crime scene but it was too soon to confirm the identity of the body."

That's from the most recent snippet I can find. While it appears likely it's her, the formal ID has not been made as far as I can see.

Although I'm a father I can't begin to comprehend what the parents are going through and if that body is that of their little girl the self blame will last a lifetime.

[Madness]

So, first the Po-po can't find a crazed gunman, who as it turns out was sitting on the bog the whole time and now this....

I'm so glad I pay my taxes.

[Lil Monkey]

I have had a 2 year old run away from me, and disappear, just after looking away for a second and I promise you I am not stupid. One thing I do know is that you are an idiot.

same thing happened to me - only takes 2 seconds. It was a frantic 10 minute search and we found him but it was shear panic - too hard to explain. Until you have your own, then you understand. My heart goes out to Aisling's family.

[yungatart]

That poor little lass, and her family. I can only imagine the anguish and heartache thay are going through. At least they have some closure, I guess.

[MSTRS]

This sort of situation is every parent's nightmare. Thankfully, very few have to suffer it. Devastating for those who do.
Distasteful that this site's Neanderthals, yet again, cannot control themselves.

[RavenR44]

I'm entitled to express my emotional response to the news just like everyone else. Whilst the accpepted thing to do is express compassion and sympathy, I reserve the right to express another perfectly natural emotional response... anger. Ok? The reality here is that not one single word in this thread will be read by the parents, and doubtful anyone remotely related to the incident. So it's not of any consequence... except that we should all, especially those with kids or those who are responsible for kids, take it as a reminder of what can happen if you don't keep a damn good eye on those sneaky little buggers.

It's hard to work out if you're simply trolling, devoid of decency or of below average intelligence. Perhaps all three?

Of course, if you have never made a mistake, you're ideally positioned to pass judgement on those who have. If not, perhaps you could reconsider demonstrating your lack of human compassion with us in future?

[Supermac Jr]

my little girl will get an extra hug tonight!
very sad

[sunhuntin]

I'm guessing that you don't have kids. They can move pretty quick even when you are extremely careful.

heck yeh. mum used to look after twin girls. i think they were about 3 at the time. we were in town with them and they were walking without holding hands. one got turned around in all the legs and it was just lucky i was there to grab her. she wasnt even aware that she was going the wrong way. and this kid was a lot smarter than her age. so very easy for them to get muddled.

reports on tardme put aisling some 36 meters down the drain, so its no wonder the dogs and cameras didnt find her. drain is apparently 1.5m underground. RIP aisling. an angel taken far too soon.

[rainman]

200m close ! You will think police dog will found her.
Just wonder if police is still searching for Chinese women further down drain :Police: = :weird: F&^%^ useless!

also, cue news reports like this one:


Questions likely about Aisling search

Auckland police are likely to face questions about their search methods after the discovery of a child's body in west Auckland last night.

And so begins the "great" kiwi knocking machine. FFS, if the searchers were so "F&^%^ useless" and you could do better why were you not out there looking in the drains?

[PrincessBandit]

I'm so sad for her parents, they will blame themselves for ever, and so will an uninformed few, who have never suffered from a moments inattention.
Children can move at a blistering pace, and no one can be on top of their game, 24 hours a day for 15 years.
There but for the grace of god go I.

...
My sincere condolances to the family.
They most certainly can. I had a 3 year old niece take off from our house one day, complete with shut gates on our property as the only exit to the road. My heart was in my mouth as I raced around the property then saw the gate ajar - she hadn't gotten very far down the street exploring but as davereid said "there but for the grace of god go I". My own kids had never done that and to realise just how speedily they can move was frightening.


also, cue news reports like this one:


And so begins the "great" kiwi knocking machine. FFS, if the searchers were so "F&^%^ useless" and you could do better why were you not out there looking in the drains?

Yeah, the police were hardly likely to be doing sweet jack all with all the media and local interest focussed on them. It is a tragedy which they too will be personally hurting from - that they didn't find her in time. And the very sad reality is that even if she'd been found a day or two after her disappearance she most likely would have been already drowned or died from exposure if the weather was that bad. The end result could well have been a tragically dead child regardless of how early she'd been found.

[Maha]

The reality here is that not one single word in this thread will be read by the parents, and doubtful anyone remotely related to the incident. So it's not of any consequence... /QUOTE]


RC1 Replies.
so wrong fuckwit, the police have dug up my sisters backyard to find this girl in there drain, imagine having to watch a young girls body removed from your drains and taken up your driveway, im devastated for my sister and her family having this take place in their back yard,

Glad you pointed that out Rob, he might even shut the fuck up now, given that J is a KBer also. So there ya go, 2 % of seperation in action.

[FROSTY]

I just hope for everybody concerned. - Her and Mum and dad and the police search team that she died quickly.
The alternatives given the recent weather variations weve had is really horrible to think about.
My heart goes out to all those involved.
Its "funny" how you react to news like that. Me I got up and went to give my youngest a cuddle.

Incidently alll you guys knocking the cops.-I saw the tears in that poor bastards eyes (the poor bugger who had to front the press last night).

[GOONR]

.....Incidently alll you guys knocking the cops.-I saw the tears in that poor bastards eyes (the poor bugger who had to front the press last night).

He gave a press conference this morning as well, it was written all over his face, he's totally gutted.

[Headbanger]

Very sad.


My 2 year old can push chairs to doors to reach the locks, run up the drive and get out onto the street in less time then it takes to have a piss, Its his nature to do shit like that, Only a fuckin retard would be trying to tell parents (or the cops) they are doing it all wrong in a situation like this.

[FROSTY]

Only a fuckin retard would be trying to tell parents (or the cops) they are doing it all wrong in a situation like this.
Not so mutch a retard More someone with NO parenting experience.

[Kiwi Graham]

Absolutly devastated for all involved. Must admit I sat a little longer giving mine a cuddle last night on the final check before going to bed myself.
Closure for the parents yes but my god how painful. RIP little Aisling.

NDORFN = idiot, now crawl away and reconsider your what you have said. No reply would be your best response dude.

[ynot slow]

A parent will have differing feelings to a non parent.Yes I know how quick kids move as 2 -3 yr olds,and easier said keep an eye out,be they inside or outside.Sometimes you aquire a sixth sense on what kids are up to,i.e to bloody quiet.

To say cops are thoughtless,and feelingless wasn't the case here,the inspector was relieved it was (search)over,and sad how it ended,and annoyed how long it took,wondering what more could've been done,my opinion not much.

[Beemer]

Someone said the dogs would have been unable to track her anyway due to the large number of other people who were wandering around.

I - like the rest of us - don't know exactly what happened and how she got where she was found. Sad though it may be, I just hope she did get there by herself and wasn't 'helped'.

You are right about the cop leading the investigation though - he was just about in tears during the press conference this morning.

[Brett]

Fucken A. It only takes a moment and they're off. Stupid parents :angry: Poor kid :bye: To be fair, with genes like that it's probably for the greater good :yes: What? Too soon? :gob:

Inappropriate. STFU. I am sure every parent at some stage has had a child go missing on them. There but by the grace of God most find theirs before anything happens to them. How can you say that about the family genes, you know sweet fuck all about them.

[Brett]

Very sad for the family, what a devastating thing to have happen. I was still up when the news announced it that night at about 10pm with that torrential rain and said a prayer for the family at the time. if I thought I could have been of use, i would have been out there searching too. Seems they had all the hands they could use though.
It is not fair to point the fingers at the cops, they did do the very best they could. Don't forget, most of them would have been parents too and would have been desperate to find her safe. The reality is that with that sort of water movement and the maze of storm water drains that sometimes despite every best human effort, it is not enough.
I can bet you that every searcher involved was putting in 110% to find her and that when she was found dead, there would have been many tears.

Prayers and thoughts go out to the family, can't begin to imagine how much they are hurting.

[Big Dan]

Well breaking news

It looks like the little girl drowned

RIP llittle girl

P.S. This is for the KB member that had the bad luck to have this happen in the back of there house. You stay strong we as a KB community are here for you and as i'm sure your family and friends are too you take care and hang in there Kia Kaha

P.S.S. To the family of this wee girl if you see this my heart is with you all and my thoughts and condolences go out to you. I don't know you but your beautiful gal has touched my heart more than anyone could. Take care you have a huge support network and i'm sure the members of this site we share your pain and you have our support

To the parents on this site when you tuck them up in bed tonight tell your little ones your love them and hug them tight

[Str8 Jacket]

What really fucks me off is the controversy that the media is creating with all their stories about manholes and physics etc.

[Skyryder]

You put your 2 year old in a position in which he/she could completely disappear in one second and you're calling ME and idiot. No excuses buddy. If your kid gets away on ya, you're not doing your job.

As much as I would like to disagree with the sentiments, you are absolutley right. You do not get a second chance if things go wrong.

We had our oldest dissapear in a department store when she was three. One minute she was there next she was gone. After a frantic search we found her sitting on the knee of one of the staff. It is not a nice feeling when your kid goes missing. I will never forget the feeling when we found her. Pure bliss. Daughter was happy as Larry. Did not even miss us. The shop attendant even apologised for not keeping a look out for her parents she was to busy being 'granny.' We walked right past her a couple of times but as she was down behind the counter we did not see her. From that day on when we went out our kids were 'leashed.' Never again would they dissappear.


Skyryder

[aahsv]

The signs were there in the beginning - a week of unusually heavy rain, overflowing creeks, drains, ditches, she was never going to walk far, she was unlikely to go wandering uphill.... a sad, sad tragedy, condolences to the family.

[NodMan]

I'm entitled to express my emotional response to the news just like everyone else. Whilst the accpepted thing to do is express compassion and sympathy, I reserve the right to express another perfectly natural emotional response... anger. Ok? The reality here is that not one single word in this thread will be read by the parents, and doubtful anyone remotely related to the incident. So it's not of any consequence...

I didnt initially respond because YOU do have rights to express your opinions,

BUT I used to work with her father (hes a biker too!) I hope Alan hasnt read your words he doesnt need any more shit!

My thoughts are with the family and all the boys in blue would did their very best with the information they had!

[Patrick]

Well breaking news

It looks like the little girl drowned

RIP llittle girl

P.S. This is for the KB member that had the bad luck to have this happen in the back of there house. You stay strong we as a KB community are here for you and as i'm sure your family and friends are too you take care and hang in there Kia Kaha

P.S.S. To the family of this wee girl if you see this my heart is with you all and my thoughts and condolences go out to you. I don't know you but your beautiful gal has touched my heart more than anyone could. Take care you have a huge support network and i'm sure the members of this site we share your pain and you have our support

To the parents on this site when you tuck them up in bed tonight tell your little ones your love them and hug them tight

And I thought earlier posts were deserving of bling...:niceone:

This one is the best one by far..... :yes:

Poor wee kiddie. Poor family left behind.........

[PrincessBandit]

The signs were there in the beginning - a week of unusually heavy rain, overflowing creeks, drains, ditches, she was never going to walk far, she was unlikely to go wandering uphill.... a sad, sad tragedy, condolences to the family.

And to rub salt into a very raw wound, today Housing NZ said there had been no need at all to fix the manhole as "the occupants of the property where the manhole is had teenagers living there". (Or pretty much that quote attempt).

So, don't bother even though any house could have children visiting, living next door, wandering the neighbourhood.....???? WTF?

[Maki]

And to rub salt into a very raw wound, today Housing NZ said there had been no need at all to fix the manhole as "the occupants of the property where the manhole is had teenagers living there". (Or pretty much that quote attempt).

So, don't bother even though any house could have children visiting, living next door, wandering the neighbourhood.....???? WTF?

To be honest I am stunned... Given all the rules in this nanny state such as fences around pools, regardless of who lives in the house where the pool is, etc... then it is supposed to be ok for a manhole to be open because teenagers happen to live at the property... :mad:

If they were asked to fix it and they didn't, then they are responsible for the consequences of their action/inaction.