Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[Laava]

Not sure if they have that or voice command systems or they just key in your rego but when my mate was asked for his rego, because it was not displayed, he said to the cop "you already knew that I had rego before you got out of the car" and the cop agreed with him. He was just putting my mate thru the attitude test maybe? That is not to say that they all have or use it tho I guess?

[caspernz]

When they pull you over, they already know before they get out of the car whether you are registered or not.


Are they running cameras in the cars to check plates?

It's called QVR, brief radio call.
ANPR tech is in the new speed cameras though.

[FJRider]

... but when my mate was asked for his rego, because it was not displayed ...

"Not displaying " is the actual offense that is usually enforced. Even if you're paid up.

At the officers discretion of course ... :devil2:

The attitude test can decide your fate ... :blank:

[Laava]

Yep, exactly FJ!
I never have my rego displayed but I'm not rude t the cops when the situation arises, so it never even gets mentioned...

[lozz900]

10 000 road km on one bike in a year, 750 bucks
10 000 road km across 10 bikes in a year 7500 bucks
Custodians of classic bikes are getting soundly rooted ..

[roogazza]

Thought I'd do rego for the bike for Summer, just the 3 mths I usually do.

The sticker arrived today and I happened to look at the breakdown of costs.

3mths (1000cc bike) $133 or there abouts ?

ACC component $99 fucking dollars !!!!!!! I will say no more ! :nono:

[Bonez]

Just re-registered my bike for 12 months-$50 PRICELESS. https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/187338-Back-on-the-road-76-CB550F-Supper-S-port

[Honest Andy]

Just re-registered my bike for 12 months-$50 PRICELESS. https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/187338-Back-on-the-road-76-CB550F-Supper-S-port

Haha yep, cheaper than the two 6-month warrants :woohoo:

[Bonez]

Haha yep, cheaper than the two 6-month warrants :woohoo:Yeah. The thieves charged me $60 for the WOF. Criminal I say...

[Owl]

Yeah. The thieves charged me $60 for the WOF. Criminal I say...

Main St Autos....BP = $35 for motorcycles. Just have to book at time.

[Bonez]

Main St Autos....BP = $35 for motorcycles. Just have to book at time.Cheers Owl. Wifey still got that black Bonnie?

[Owl]

Cheers Owl. Wifey still got that black Bonnie?

She does indeed. Just gone 10 years old now. The bike that is:eek5:

[Bonez]

Hell that went quick. Mind you I was out for half the decade.

[Voltaire]

Thought I'd do rego for the bike for Summer, just the 3 mths I usually do.

The sticker arrived today and I happened to look at the breakdown of costs.

3mths (1000cc bike) $133 or there abouts ?

ACC component $99 fucking dollars !!!!!!! I will say no more ! :nono:

Cheap, you can ride every day for 3 months without a care in the world about costs in the event of an accident and you if working still receive

and income.

However if you only ride them from time to time like I do its not ACC's fault I don't get my moneys worth.

I've had instances where I've registered for 3 months and not used bike at all.

Saying that I keep my Classic bikes registered all the time as only $50 a year, and a 74 BMW is a good daily rider.

( takes tongue out of cheek)

Seriously though, in 2003 I took a bike and a Kombi van to Ireland for a couple of years and it was 6 months before I could even get it past customs and legal and that was only paperwork. Was about 1000 Euros a year for insurance on the Kombi and 200 on the BSA Lighting.

[rastuscat]

The current motorcycle levies cover less than 22% of the full cost of motorcycle injuries. Other Motor Vehicle levies pay for the rest of the cost.

On 2016 figures, ACC was charging motorcyclists $27 million. Other vehicle owners will cross-subsidise motorcycle owners by $87 million.

[Bonez]

Payed for the time I was T-Boned by a car pulling out of an industrial drive way in a 50k erea and had my leg broken at 80km on a brand new bike. Big red/white bike with fairing hadlight and indidicators as running lights. All the other times I've had bike related "events" is just dust myself off, pick up the bike and carry on.

[rastuscat]

Thought I'

ACC component $99 fucking dollars !!!!!!! I will say no more ! :nono:

Really? I bet you'll have plenty more to say.

Justifiably. It's a controversial topic. Thing is, the cold, hard financial facts get lost in the emotive discussion.

[Scuba_Steve]

The current motorcycle levies cover less than 22% of the full cost of motorcycle injuries. Other Motor Vehicle levies pay for the rest of the cost.

On 2016 figures, ACC was charging motorcyclists $27 million. Other vehicle owners will cross-subsidise motorcycle owners by $87 million.

Meanwhile Horse & cyclist levies cover less than 1% of the full cost of their injuries.
ACC needs to be removed as an individual component & just part of GST; it's pretty much the reason we have GST in the 1st place. Then Everyone pays, everyone gets.

[Bonez]

Horse shit spread across the road at Mapua was the cause of my first off. Nice slide under a hedge.

[SaferRides]

$400 a year for personal accident cover on a large motorcycle isn't too bad when you think about it. My issue is the way it is collected.

[SaferRides]

The current motorcycle levies cover less than 22% of the full cost of motorcycle injuries. Other Motor Vehicle levies pay for the rest of the cost.

On 2016 figures, ACC was charging motorcyclists $27 million. Other vehicle owners will cross-subsidise motorcycle owners by $87 million.Is the ACC levy on petrol included in that?

[rastuscat]

Is the ACC levy on petrol included in that?

Yes. It comes from two places, the fuel levy and the licensing levy.

[Jeff Sichoe]

"Injuries sustained while playing rugby union led all other sports, with medical costs and income support totalling more than $71.8 million during the 2017/18 financial year.

The payouts covered 64,024 new and active ACC claims made for rugby union injuries during the 12-month period."

Why is it OK that we all pay for those who choose to purposefully bash themselves to bits.

[SaferRides]

"Injuries sustained while playing rugby union led all other sports, with medical costs and income support totalling more than $71.8 million during the 2017/18 financial year.

The payouts covered 64,024 new and active ACC claims made for rugby union injuries during the 12-month period."

Why is it OK that we all pay for those who choose to purposefully bash themselves to bits.Same for cyclists I believe. These claims are paid from the general account which is funded by taxpayer and employer levies.

There are no doubt a wide range of opinions on whether the current system is fair. But I can't see the present or future governments wanting to make changes.

[Jeff Sichoe]

ACC levy against Drivers MC License renewal - not against bike rego.

Means you only pay once for multiple bikes.

If your mate borrows the bike, he's going to have his license, right? so he pays the acc component which covers his own ass.

Would also weed out those who retain their license for many years without riding jump on a new bike and fly into the closest immovable object as they would probably not renew a license which costs them 400+ a year unless they were actually using it.

Vote Psycho 2020

[rastuscat]

ACC levy against Drivers MC License renewal - not against bike rego.

Means you only pay once for multiple bikes.

If your mate borrows the bike, he's going to have his license, right? so he pays the acc component which covers his own ass.

Would also weed out those who retain their license for many years without riding jump on a new bike and fly into the closest immovable object as they would probably not renew a license which costs them 400+ a year unless they were actually using it.

Vote Psycho 2020

A guy gets his bike licence, and a short time later decides riding a bike is not for him.

But he still has a licence.

So should he have to pay the levy you suggest?

[Jeff Sichoe]

Well yeah, for a year, then he decides this isnt for him and doesnt complete his yearly online registration (and saves 400 but drops his mc endorsement)

If he decides in 5 years or 10 years etc to pick it up again he needs to complete a bronze cbta cert thing whatever its called and start paying 400 annually again to keep the mc endorsement.

Weed out the people who are most at risk (returning riders) and fairly apply the acc levy across the user base instead of being based on motorcycle ownership.

[eldog]

Yes to Rastas question. Why not.
If your keen you will stump up the cost, even if iys for a year.

Places license endorsement on hold.
similar to rego on hold

pay as you go per month?

What happens to bike hire (or service/sales)company whose owner doesn't have a bike license

updates available via web, app etc.

terminology wrong above.

I suppose a similar question to Rastas above would be for the international tourist. Who hires a bike, rides around the country then leaves. Or purchases a bike privately then sells it as they leave or dumps it at the airport.

[SaferRides]

An interesting comparison is the green slip scheme in NSW. This provides personal accident cover and compulsory 3rd party insurance.

It would cost about $400 per year based on my current motorcycle ownership and personal info.

Interestingly, they have 5 categories for engine size with the largest being 1325 cc and over. Perhaps something ACC could consider. :)

[Scuba_Steve]

GST is the only fair way to do ACC

Everyone pays, everyone gets
Horse riders, cyclist, rugby players are then all contributing to the ACC they may need. Motor vehicles continue to pay but now through "hidden costs" including now offroad vehicles that previously would escape the ACC fees.
Everything you buy would contribute to ACC from 10c lollies to million dollar super yachts, everyone would pay from the 5yr old buying their 10c lollies to the 95yr old buying food or power

[Jeff Sichoe]

I suppose a similar question to Rastas above would be for the international tourist. Who hires a bike, rides around the country then leaves. Or purchases a bike privately then sells it as they leave or dumps it at the airport.

They should pay even more to subsidise OUR injuries.

Charge em $1000 for a NZ MC License for a year.

[Berries]

They should pay even more to subsidise OUR injuries.
Big assumption there to think they are worse riders than us. I'd peg it the other way.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Big assumption there to think they are worse riders than us. I'd peg it the other way.

I never said that, I said I wanted their sweet international cash to pay for our accidents.

[Pacman]

Hi All
I am new to kiwi biker. I have recently been pulled over by our lovely local cop John Hamilton in Christchurch He pulled me over for the wrong number plate Your driving is fine and you are not speeding (9am new years day on highway 1 outside Kaiapoi) Photo taken of rear of Motorcycle Photo taken of side of Motorcycle. and Im on my way....
Week later in the mail...
20 points $50 fine None issue NZTA Number plate
25 points $50 fine for noise pollution

Number Plate (It is side mounted raised black lettering white reflected background) This is the requirement of a NZ number plate BUT this is not NZTA Issued so 20 point $50 fine what the hell it has passed WOF for 15 years with this number plate.... ok new rules?????

Noise pollution... from a photo Yes that right there is NO decibel reading needed by law in NZ It is up to the policeman to determine if he thinks anything is loud. He can pull over anyone he likes Cars Trucks Motorbikes any road vehicle at all. Take a photo and send you a ticket for Noise pollution and you will lose in court. Because its the law....
The same police man can also make the same judgement on your speed he does not need a radar reading to give you a ticket. It is up to he's discretion and his 20 years experience on wether you were speeding or not..... THIS IS LAW
HOW CAN THIS BE???????
STAND UP BE KIWI
how do we make a stand against this kind of law???? how can this be LAW

[Bonez]

I only pay $52ish for one of my m/c regos.:laugh:

People have been harping on about ACC levies etc etc since when I was a BRONZ member a few decades or more ago. Suck it up kiddies.

Just saying...

[mikebmeehan]

Motorcycle accidents are increasing rapidly. Rather than putting the blame on bikers, it is best to bring awareness of motorcycle riding.