BIKEOI Wellington

[Pedrostt500]

Just spoke with my mate with the mobile Cafe, he will be half way up the north island on the 17th, so no coffee at the duck pond.

[zjet]

Sorted bro

TSS Red Baron and at least 3 other bike shops have offered thier workshop pickups for this task

TSS have shut shop for 17th and EVERY one of the staff coming on bikes, and one in the truck

Wingrider had a ute/secure trailer combo lined up too I believe

I have also had a yarn to the boys at biketranz waiting to hear back from em atm.

[Cloggy]

Are the Hutt City Council going to rope off or somehow stop people from parking in the Duck Pond car park on the 17th?
Just thinking about mum and a couple of little ones feeding the ducks at the pond, nice and quiet. Then within a short period a couple of hundred, perhaps thousand bikers will show up, park all over the carparks effectively blocking in anyone who is parked there in a car.

[nothingflash]

Are the Hutt City Council going to rope off or somehow stop people from parking in the Duck Pond car park on the 17th?
Just thinking about mum and a couple of little ones feeding the ducks at the pond, nice and quiet. Then within a short period a couple of hundred, perhaps thousand bikers will show up, park all over the carparks effectively blocking in anyone who is parked there in a car.

On the whole "thousand bikers" thing, will the carpark be marshalled? That is - will there be someone or some people in a white coat to put some order to the parking?

[Gubb]

On the whole "thousand bikers" thing, will the carpark be marshalled? That is - will there be someone or some people in a white coat to put some order to the parking?
I'm happy to volunteer for this. I'm also in the process of putting together some safety information.

[StoneY]

On the whole "thousand bikers" thing, will the carpark be marshalled? That is - will there be someone or some people in a white coat to put some order to the parking?

TBA (to be arranged)

Council promised reserved space, and im approaching Vic about using spare pavement as overflow

[Cloggy]

Some marshalling will be required. That is were us locals could help. Especially once the front carpark is full and we'll need to start directing people to the road around the back of Avalon Park.
Megaphone(s) is/are going to come in handy. Anyone have access to these?
Last night there was mention of riding/behaviour standards and some concerns around these especially for people who would normally not ride in a group or don't belong to a club.
Would it be an idea to create little flyers to be handed out to people as they arrive at the meeting points to remind them of the standards of behaviour required? I was thinking little ones, an A4 sheet cut into 4 (A6?). One possible issue with doing this is that no doubt hundreds of these would be dropped and start blowing about requiring a clean-up operation once the bikes leave the meeting points.

[nothingflash]

One possible issue with doing this is that no doubt hundreds of these would be dropped and start blowing about requiring a clean-up operation once the bikes leave the meeting points.

This is brilliant - every detail is being taken into account!

I for one would definitely get good value from a flyer as you suggest.

[Bald Eagle]

Rgister here if you are attending the Wellington BIKEOI.

Registration is voluntary but desirable please. We need some idea of numbers.


WELLINGTON BIKEOI (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmCITKyEn6HwdEt0dF9KcThIcEFsVUpXSGJGYXVSS FE&hl=en_GB)

[Laxi]

1 on bike and the wifes going in in the car

[StoneY]

Some marshalling will be required.
Would it be an idea to create little flyers to be handed out to people as they arrive at the meeting points to remind them of the standards of behaviour required?

Under control, Gubb has that under way


This is brilliant - every detail is being taken into account!
I for one would definitely get good value from a flyer as you suggest.

As above

Now to Marshals, 325 rocket is offering use of good quality RTs, so once we start arriving need some locals


Thanks Cloggy mate, another detail filled (and assigned????)

[Pedrostt500]

I will be attending, have booked the 16th and 17th off work.

[325rocket]

I will be attending, have booked the 16th and 17th off work.

ill be there but is it the 16th or 17th???

[Cloggy]

Thanks Cloggy mate, another detail filled (and assigned????)
Mission accepted

[Jantar]

Is this the national Bikeoi, or is Wellington holding a seperate one on a different date? As worded I imagine a lot of people outside Wellington won't even read it.

[325rocket]

Under control, Gubb has that under way



As above

Now to Marshals, 325 rocket is offering use of good quality RTs, so once we start arriving need some locals


Thanks Cloggy mate, another detail filled (and assigned????)

ill also help marshal if you like

[daves]

Hey guys have just joined and see that things are starting to get going,I thought you may want to see the reply I got from Jim Anderton today,so there is hope yet
If I wasn't 600 km from Wellington I would be on the ride,cheers

Dear Dave,

Thank you for your message regarding the proposal to increase the ACC levy payable by owners of motor bikes, in some cases by several hundred per cent.

I am opposed to this for two principal reasons:

The first is that it is not necessary. The ACC fund is not in a financial crisis as the current National led government claims. The scheme as originally constituted was a ‘pay as you go’ scheme i.e. the levies received in any one year meet the requirements for payments in that year. In fact the recent history of the scheme has been that the income more than meets the payment requirements. The same applies to, for example, national superannuation. In that case the identification of the effect of the ‘baby boom’ generation coming to retirement and creating a demand ‘bulge’ on the commitment to pay universal pensions at a reasonable level can be anticipated and planned for ( the so-called ‘Cullen’ fund). If the ACC funding was in crisis this could be handled in the same way, but it is not in crisis and no amount of insisting that it is on the part of the present Minister can make it so.

The problem arises because the current government insists that all of the future financial obligations of the fund must be funded in the present. That would make sense if the ACC was an insurance scheme – which it is not and was never intended to be. It makes even more sense if the government has a hidden agenda – which looks increasingly likely – to privatise the ACC or farm parts of it out to insurance companies. In those circumstances, a fully funded scheme in which the fund has been paid for by taxpayers would look a very attractive proposition to a private insurer, but it is one to which I am entirely opposed.

The second reason is that the ACC scheme was never intended to be a user pays scheme in which those who allegedly incur specific costs must, as a group, also meet those costs in full. The scheme is intended to draw upon the overall resources of the community to ensure that those who suffer an accident do not find themselves disadvantaged because they cannot afford treatment or rehabilitation, or meet the expenses associated with a lengthy court case. I note that Sir Owen Woodhouse, whose report led to the setting up of the scheme in 1973 has very recently said precisely that. Saying that motor cyclists must pay much more than presently because they are ‘responsible’ for their accidents not only breaches the principal behind the scheme, it also re-introduces the notion of fault into the scheme when it was set up in the first place to avoid it.

Please be assured that I will be opposing the proposed increased levy and that we in the Progressive Party are committed to restoring the scheme to its original basis when we return to government.

Warm regards,

Jim Anderton
MP for Wigram
Progressive Party Leader

[Pedrostt500]

Since there will be large Numbers of bikers at both main gathering areas, we may need either a loud hailer or PA so that who ever is taking care of the pre ride breif, on the ride can be heard.

[James Deuce]

Yay. One retiring MP GAS.

[StoneY]

ill also help marshal if you like


Mission accepted

Boys, you have that task its all yours I will advise the coordinators

Thank you both,
good to see the Ridge Runners making a contribution all round

Daves, thanks ofr that information, good post

[StoneY]

Since there will be large Numbers of bikers at both main gathering areas, we may need either a loud hailer or PA so that who ever is taking care of the pre ride breif, on the ride can be heard.

We have a connection to get a few loudhailers, and I am arranging ride briefs with instructional fliers, route maps, Police cooperation instructions.

We have PARKING covered, a team building for that and council pre alerted and cooperative, as are the Police
We have support vehicles promised from the bike shops
We have a first aide contingent arranged (tentatively, Wellington Free Ambulance)

Its in hand, but yep keep it coming, there will be something weve overlooked.....somewhere

[nothingflash]

We have a connection to get a few loudhailers, and I am arranging ride briefs with instructional fliers, route maps, Police cooperation instructions.

We have PARKING covered, a team building for that and council pre alerted and cooperative, as are the Police
We have support vehicles promised from the bike shops
We have a first aide contingent arranged (tentatively, Wellington Free Ambulance)

Its in hand, but yep keep it coming, there will be something weve overlooked.....somewhere

Portaloo's at the meet places?

[Bald Eagle]

ill be there but is it the 16th or 17th???

It is th 17th

[Bald Eagle]

Is this the national Bikeoi, or is Wellington holding a seperate one on a different date? As worded I imagine a lot of people outside Wellington won't even read it.

Renamed as National to remove confusion

[StoneY]

Is this the national Bikeoi, or is Wellington holding a seperate one on a different date? As worded I imagine a lot of people outside Wellington won't even read it.


Ok its the National one coming to Wellington- and good point, all the regional ones, leading here, we know that but is there an actual National BIKEOI thread for the final plan to show on?

However this registration is obviously for the National event...it says so
:)

[StoneY]

Portaloo's at the meet places?

Your new mission.....should you choose to accept it.....:lol:

There are a few public ones nearbye(ish) but yeah we will overrun them in no time

[Cloggy]

Just been doing a bit of measuring on Google Maps.
The grounds outside parliament are approximately 139 metres long by 17 metres wide at the widest part, down to 13 metres at the southern end. That means at best we would get just short of 1000 bikes up there if they were all parked very neatly in rows. This is based on the assumption that each bike would take up a space of approximately 2.5 metres long x 1 metre wide. That would not leave enough room for people to walk through comfortably without danger of knocking bikes over. Allowing for people means we'd be lucky to get perhaps 600-700 bikes up there plus a couple of hundred on both drives.
Which begs the question, if 5000 bikes turned up, were are we going to put them?
Similar issues exist at Avalon Park. You might get 500 bikes in front of the duck pond if neatly parked. No issues around the back road of Avalon Park. Perhaps the back road of Avalon Park is the preferred option?

[325rocket]

Just been doing a bit of measuring on Google Maps.
The grounds outside parliament are approximately 139 metres long by 17 metres wide at the widest part, down to 13 metres at the southern end. That means at best we would get just short of 1000 bikes up there if they were all parked very neatly in rows. This is based on the assumption that each bike would take up a space of approximately 2.5 metres long x 1 metre wide. That would not leave enough room for people to walk through comfortably without danger of knocking bikes over. Allowing for people means we'd be lucky to get perhaps 600-700 bikes up there plus a couple of hundred on both drives.
Which begs the question, if 5000 bikes turned up, were are we going to put them?

they might have to close molesworth street. i know we dont want to disrupt the general public but theres not a lot of options here. if it is not closed it will end up covered in bikes anyway.
thats if we do get those numbers anyway.

might pay to change the " National Bikeoi Registration" thread to a poll so we can see numbers

[325rocket]

as suggested in another thread you might want to make this thread a poll to make it easier to see the numbers

[Bald Eagle]

as suggested in another thread you might want to make this thread a poll to make it easier to see the numbers

Haven't made it a poll as I wanted it accessible outside of KB which is why I put it on google docs. A simple row count in the spreadsheet will give us the numbers easy enough.

[StoneY]

The google spreadsheet will indicate the numbers its what it is for, and its outside the website so non KBers can register

Vic Uni will be approached for parking pavement, the Cenotaph and its paved area (100 bikes?) is going to be sectioned off

We have Mr Visser and the Police onside

Lax boys....we will find room even if we spill up round past Parli, onto Hill st(?) and into Pipitea...we will keep one lane open

[Jantar]

...However this registration is obviously for the National event...it says so
:)
It didn't say so until I changed it in the Title. :oi-grr:

[325rocket]

Haven't made it a poll as I wanted it accessible outside of KB which is why I put it on google docs. A simple row count in the spreadsheet will give us the numbers easy enough.

sorry i didnt see the link, i thought it was just a "reply in this thread if youre coming" deal. (what a novice eh) :Oops:

good work, as you were

[Bald Eagle]

It didn't say so until I changed it in the Title. :oi-grr:

Thanks for the name change Jantar. Is it in the right place and could it get a link in the banner area where the BRONZ and Bikers Against links are ?

[Cloggy]

Just a suggestion:

Could you edit your original post to:

"Register here (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmCITKyEn6HwdEt0dF9KcThIcEFsVUpXSGJGYXVSS FE&hl=en_GB) if you are attending the National BIKEOI."

Might make it a bit easier to find the link to your doc. It had me confused for a bit where to register and I am sure there will be others as well who will be confused.

[TOTO]

I's coming from auckz :)

[Laxi]

as the irish nutter from braveheart said... "this must be a fashionable fight, it's drawn the finest people" :lol:

[Murray]

Done Coming From the tron - maybe the Auckland riders can pick us up on the way

[tommygun]

Coming from the Naki. 16/11 ride down at this stage staying in U/hutt. Anybody from that group, could you PM the details of where your lot are starting from on 17/11.

Ta in advance.

[StoneY]

Coming from the Naki. 16/11 ride down at this stage staying in U/hutt. Anybody from that group, could you PM the details of where your lot are starting from on 17/11.

Ta in advance.

Tommy, welcome to my city (well Valley)
The Hutt Valley meeting spot is Avalon Duck Pond Carpark
Its easy to find, right beside the Kennedy Good Bridge, which crosses the Hutt River from and to SH2 on Fairway Drive

Google Image attached

[tommygun]

:laugh: Okay, know the place well. Years ago I fell off riding onto that bridge...HeHe long story....long time ago.....BIG Lesson on not hitting gravel well leaning over etc.....

[Murray]

Rgister here if you are attending the Wellington BIKEOI.

Registration is voluntary but desirable please. We need some idea of numbers.


WELLINGTON BIKEOI (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmCITKyEn6HwdEt0dF9KcThIcEFsVUpXSGJGYXVSS FE&hl=en_GB)

I think you should set up a calendar entry as well - be interested to see how many register on that

[StoneY]

I think you should set up a calendar entry as well - be interested to see how many register on that
Thanks for the suggestion Murray but we CAN over manage this and as it is me and Paul (Bald Eagle) are pretty farkin busy......

Im happy with the register

Now I am off for a RIDE, no BIKEOI stress for 4 hours of pure open road Ducati heaven :lol:

:wavey:

[Laxi]

I know its still a way off but does anyone know the meet time at the duckpond on the 17th, I saw it once i think, but since a nice mod merged the national registration and wellington bikoi threads:no: i cant find squat:laugh:

[BMWST?]

I's coming from auckz :)

we better hide the welly tag

[Laxi]

10 damnchars

[Anomaly]

Mate are you the 17th too??????

My 40th is the BIKOI day


Yay!

Birthday Pressie for ya ay stoney?

[Azi Dahaka]

I know its still a way off but does anyone know the meet time at the duckpond on the 17th, I saw it once i think, but since a nice mod merged the national registration and wellington bikoi threads:no: i cant find squat:laugh:

yea i have people asking me what time to meet at the duck pond as well

[Bald Eagle]

yea i have people asking me what time to meet at the duck pond as well

Latest info , which will be stickied and updated is here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110911

[MSTRS]

StoneY - I notice that you have put up the locked National thread. Good. But I am concerned that your times might be tight for people with a ways to travel.
Are those times (11.30 Duckpond and Papakowhai) set in concrete?
You do realise that large groups do not travel quickly, like 1 or 2 can?

[StoneY]

I set an original time of 2pm arrival for Paliament but the BRONZ meeting (which had final say) chose 12

I did not set the arrival time

I have tested the journey time to Parliament from both locations

1130 it must be for 12 arrival I am sorry

Larger groups from further away need to plan on this, I am sorry but the time was not my choice

Cheers

[klingon]

I set an original time of 2pm arrival for Paliament but the BRONZ meeting (which had final say) chose 12

I did not set the arrival time

I have tested the journey time to Parliament from both locations

1130 it must be for 12 arrival I am sorry

Larger groups from further away need to plan on this, I am sorry but the time was not my choice

Cheers

:doh:

Oh dear I must have slept through that part of the BRONZ meeting. BRONZ Auckland committee will be meeting tomorrow (Monday) evening to talk about some details. Shall I bring it up then, or MSTRS do you want to PM Ixion with your concerns?

[StoneY]

:doh:

Oh dear I must have slept through that part of the BRONZ meeting. BRONZ Auckland committee will be meeting tomorrow (Monday) evening to talk about some details. Shall I bring it up then, or MSTRS do you want to PM Ixion with your concerns?

Its a bit late now Kilingon, we have publicized the arrival time on both Radio, Newspapers and all the posters

Peeps just have to get up early or travel the day before and get accom sorted

The 12oclock was rationalized on the travelers getting HOME more than getting there, I think that's only sensible

Don't mistake my post for saying its BRONZ fault...the time was considered very carefully and homeward journey had to take precedence for most travelers, and the midday arrival was the only choice

As it is deep south and far north will probably miss work on Wednesday.....

[klingon]

Its a bit late now Kilingon, we have publicized the arrival time on both Radio, Newspapers and all the posters

Peeps just have to get up early or travel the day before and get accom sorted

The 12oclock was rationalized on the travelers getting HOME more than getting there, I think that's only sensible

Don't mistake my post for saying its BRONZ fault...the time was considered very carefully and homeward journey had to take precedence for most travelers, and the midday arrival was the only choice

As it is deep south and far north will probably miss work on Wednesday.....

Oh I see. Yes, I can see where that timing makes sense. And if it's already publicised then it's a done deal really. I think my brain is full.

[MSTRS]

Shall I bring it up then, or MSTRS do you want to PM Ixion with your concerns?

You are Johnny on the spot at the meeting. You do it. At least we know who has to adapt, if anyone has to...

[StoneY]

Yeah honestly I think they have the timing right
It is assumed most long distance travellers will get to with 2 hours of the meeting points by the 16th, I cant see it working any other way :(

It was the hardest single thing to get right, so I guess it just cant be 'right' for all

I'm lucky, 20 mins from meet, and target, but I do feel for those traveling

[Azi Dahaka]

well i would like the former rather than the latter i wouldnt want to soil my bike by having john key on it if you want to use if to ideas go ahead i am using it to inform people the more signs the better

[chanceyy]

been talking to Dave tonite & we will have several contingency plans if its looking like a large group is forming in Levin .. being that its a tues traffic should be normal flow & not to much of an issue ..

Even on a slow day pootling along it generally only takes me 45 -60 mins to get to Porirua .. and thats not doing much overtaking .. however we do have several good passing lanes up our sleeve .. we are also making contingency plans for slow/learner/250 riders.

The reality is that not everyone will be arriving at parliment 12noon .. if 1000 bikers turn up they can not all park & get sorted within a few mins ..

[Kendog]

I set an original time of 2pm arrival for Paliament but the BRONZ meeting (which had final say) chose 12

I did not set the arrival time

I have tested the journey time to Parliament from both locations

1130 it must be for 12 arrival I am sorry

Larger groups from further away need to plan on this, I am sorry but the time was not my choice

Cheers

Does anything start at parliament at 12?
The reason I ask is I would hat to lose the impact of all the riders being there is 12 was a critical time.
If we get the number of bikes being talked about, half an hour will not be long enough.

[Pwilton]

We all collectively need to get a message across to the ACC. Its bloody easy for them to target larger capacity motorcycles.
Their (ACC) issue is they collect $12 Million from existing ACC levies from motorcycles, but pay out around $40 million. Many of these ACC payouts are to off road riders, farm workers on quads etc. None of these people pay m/c registration so were expected to subsidize them. Is that fair..ah NO!

Maybe petrol should have a few cents/litre added, that way we all contribute.

[MSTRS]

Pwilton - first...welcome. Second, you need to do some reading here in the ACC Levy Campaign forum, particularly the threads dedicated to stats etc. Your post has wrong figures (as do ACC). The offroad accidents are not paid for from the road fund (as far as we know) BUT the crashes themselves are lumped in with road crashes so that motorcycle crash figures look way worse than they really are. Actually, any crash is not good, but I hope you see what I mean?
There is already an ACC component in fuel at the pump. 9.9c/l I think?

[mowgli]

Many of these ACC payouts are to off road riders, farm workers on quads etc. None of these people pay m/c registration so were expected to subsidize them. Is that fair..ah NO!
Maybe petrol should have a few cents/litre added, that way we all contribute.
You're missing the wider issue - this is not just about (un)registered motorcyclists or even motorists. ACC is injury insurance for ALL of society. If it's to be levied through purchasing then it should be a component of GST and not fuel excise tax.

[Laxi]

ACC is injury insurance

ACC is NOT "insurance"! insurance companys cover the cost to you and in the case of non fault, they attempt to reclaim the cost from the party at fault or their insurance company. With ACC the abbillity to sue was exchanged for a COMPENSATION scheme, and unless we want to end up like the states where every stupid little thing ends up as a law suit (imagine the cost and impact incured on the legal system) ACC needs to be kept the way it was intended

[Ixion]

The timing is not an issue really.

Even a few hundred bikes will stretch the arrivals over half an hour . Thousands, hours

Reality is the timing has to be based on the lead group. The stragglers will still be coming in much later. Half an hour one way or the other makes no difference to them.

So long as the Wellington guys have their timing sorted, it'll work.

[mowgli]

ACC is NOT "insurance"!
My bad. You are quite correct. Call it Assurance then. The point being that if it's supposed to benefit everyone then everyone should share in its funding.

[Silverexador]

Southward is just off the SH1 shit loads of parking?

[James Deuce]

My bad. You are quite correct. Call it Assurance then. The point being that if it's supposed to benefit everyone then everyone should share in its funding.

It's not Assurance either. It's a compensation scheme designed to remove the need for litigation between the affected parties.

Come on guys! We have to get this straight.

1. ACC is not insurance. The ACC Automotive account does NOT subsidise motorcyclists. It can be made to appear that way because we are the only group singled out, despite the four main road user groups (Pedestrian, Cyclist, Motorcycles, Other Vehicles) all costing between $19k and $25k to repair each victim with motorcyclists being the lowest.

2. The Government and ACC are making up figures to justify the increase. They claim to collect $12m, which is about 4-6million short of what they do get going on rego figures. They claim that each other vehicle on the road subsidises motorcyclists at $70 each. There about 100000 bikes on the road and 4,000,000 other vehicles. $70 each adds up to $280 million, more than 4 times the $63 odd million they want from us.

3. The Increases are not the issue. Being singled out for abuse and lies is.

4. The goal should be to get the ACC rego levy on motorcyclists removed and have us pay what all other road users pay. Not to fight the increases. That will just earn us a lesser increase.

[Ixion]

The "compensation" wasn't compensation for being injured . It was (is) compensation for giving up the right to sue.

When you give up a right, you usually reckon on some sort of compensation.

[mowgli]

The "compensation" wasn't compensation for being injured . It was (is) compensation for giving up the right to sue.
When you give up a right, you usually reckon on some sort of compensation.
That doesn't quite work for the party at fault. They couldn't have sued (and won) and yet are covered by said compensation :confused:

[sporty 883]

Not to burst any ideas, the duck pond is a large area how ever there would be a need to cross traffic to get to the motorway, perhaps a little further up the road at the back of the playing fields at Avalon Park - would easily be able to have room for 500 plus riders, access to Harcourt Werry Dr and left before heading over Kennedy Good Bridge (just an additional thought). And its across the road from TVNZ (avalon studios)

[Pedrostt500]

I noticed this afternoon that the old Thordon Tavern is about to be renovated for the royal Thai Embassy, I didn't catch the name of the Contractor, Could we approach the contractor and or Thai embassy to see if we can use the old carpark for bike parking on the 17th, because I noticed the whole area was fenced off with construction fencing, and this site is only a hundred yards up the road from Parliment.

[Cloggy]

Not to burst any ideas, the duck pond is a large area how ever there would be a need to cross traffic to get to the motorway, perhaps a little further up the road at the back of the playing fields at Avalon Park - would easily be able to have room for 500 plus riders, access to Harcourt Werry Dr and left before heading over Kennedy Good Bridge (just an additional thought). And its across the road from TVNZ (avalon studios)
Good points but the stage has been set.
Crossing Fairway Drive won't be an issue. We'll stop traffic to let some bikes through, let a few cars go, followed by more bikes etc. We do it on bigger Wednesday night rides, we can do it for the Bikoi.
Bikes will be held up at the traffic lights to get onto the motorway anyway as well as various sets of lights along the way. So the group will get split up into subgroups. But the front group will not travel faster than 90km/hr to avoid having the tail needing to speed to catch up.

[Pedrostt500]

I have about 4 sheets of Custom Wood 1200mm x 800mm and maybe some old paint, would any one like to paint some small bill boards, I have the Artistic tallents of half a brick, so requires some one with some Tallent, I can deliver these in the Wellington area, was thinking we could stand them up with some garden stakes in key spots.

[Laxi]

I have about 4 sheets of Custom Wood 1200mm x 800mm and maybe some old paint, would any one like to paint some small bill boards, I have the Artistic tallents of half a brick, so requires some one with some Tallent, I can deliver these in the Wellington area, was thinking we could stand them up with some garden stakes in key spots.

was thinking of doing somthing with a push bike and a sign comaring their 36 deaths, average cost per claim, no acc leveys, e.t.c compared to motorcycles

[BMWST?]

was thinking of doing somthing with a push bike and a sign comaring their 36 deaths, average cost per claim, no acc leveys, e.t.c compared to motorcycles

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

[James Deuce]

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

That's it in a nutshell!

[Laxi]

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

that's a fair point, but the idea is not to point blame, the fact is ACC are trying to tell the public that they are subsidising motorcyclists, the idea is to point out the unfair targeting of motorcyclists

[James Deuce]

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.


that's a fair point, but the idea is not to point blame, the fact is ACC are trying to tell the public that they are subsidising motorcyclists, the idea is to point out the unfair targeting of motorcyclists
Life is unfair, and people aren't that sympathetic to the "unfair" argument.

Using examples like that publicly is PR suicide because pointing out cyclists isn't going to garner us any support, politically or from the public.

Stick to our facts and our argument, and be awake to the fact that 40% of motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents caused by the rider losing control in a corner.

[BMWST?]

:Offtopic:
....... and be awake to the fact that 40% of motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents caused by the rider losing control in a corner.

is this a "good" argument to be highlighting?What is the argument.That 40 percent odf motorcycles accident dont cost the ACC anything?Do ACC fund the attendance of emergency services?

[Ms Piggy]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129480739&postcount=40

[James Deuce]

:Offtopic:

is this a "good" argument to be highlighting?What is the argument.That 40 percent odf motorcycles accident dont cost the ACC anything?Do ACC fund the attendance of emergency services?
No. It is going to used against you. I didn't say point it out, I said be aware of it.

It does cost ACC money because they'll give $6k toward the funeral, which is $13k less than the average rehab figure for a motorcycle accident victim. But that's not the pint. Start dredging up facts like that on banners on that sort of ride and facts like the one one I quoted will be used against us. If you;re aware of the negative press it isn't such a shock.

[James Deuce]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129480739&postcount=40

I'm missing something here, where did the 31st one come from?

[Ms Piggy]

I'm missing something here, where did the 31st one come from?

It's the local (Wellington) protest organised by Ulysses - is that what you mean?

[Cloggy]

I'm missing something here, where did the 31st one come from?
Ulysses organised protest
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110861

[James Deuce]

Gaaaaaaaaah.

[Azi Dahaka]

When I was out riding on labour day I stopped in to the Caltex at the bottom of the Rimutakas to fill up and I overheard a pump boy talking to a member of the hogs club trying to sell the no one should register their bikes and clog up the court system thingy.

So I set the sod straight that we don’t have anything thing against the police wasting their time and that some insurance companies wont cover motorbikes if they are not registered. The hog guy agreed and the pump boy shut up.

What was interesting the hog guy told me something I didn’t know is that you can register your bike for 30 months. So if all this does fail we have a year and a half at the old rate.

Also asked him if he was coming to the ride and he said he would be there.

[sunhuntin]

What was interesting the hog guy told me something I didn’t know is that you can register your bike for 30 months. So if all this does fail we have a year and a half at the old rate.

Also asked him if he was coming to the ride and he said he would be there.

30 months? thats something i didnt know. interesting.

[Bald Eagle]

30 months? thats something i didnt know. interesting.

Yes it would mean paying nearly the same for 1 yrs with the increase or 3 yrs without ( effectively acc would miss out on 2yrs increase or $1400 I like those numbers. )

[StoneY]

30 months? thats something i didnt know. interesting.

Thats utter rubbish

15 months is the outside limit you can have regsitration on your vehicle for
15 not 30

Its in a document I have recieved, in fact the doc was distributed by HOG and WIMA

15, not 30
Fact

[sunhuntin]

Thats utter rubbish

15 months is the outside limit you can have regsitration on your vehicle for
15 not 30

Its in a document I have recieved, in fact the doc was distributed by HOG and WIMA

15, not 30
Fact

15 is still a few extra months before having to face the increase. anything to keep the bike on the road legally a bit longer has gotta be good.

[Ixion]

15 it is. You can't do it online, you have to complete a special form at an LTSA agent.

[DougieNZ]

LTSA agent.

No such thing... NZTA Agent

[Ixion]

They never asked me for permission!

[davereid]

I just relicensed today.. I did 8 months, so expiry 27JUL10, intending to relicence for 12 months then, at the old rate. But if the copmuter will accept 15.. I'll try it!

[StoneY]

15 is still a few extra months before having to face the increase. anything to keep the bike on the road legally a bit longer has gotta be good.

Yep


I just relicensed today.. I did 8 months, so expiry 27JUL10, intending to relicence for 12 months then, at the old rate. But if the copmuter will accept 15.. I'll try it!

:yes:
As will I, 23rd and 29th of July for my two (unless Suzy gets dedicated as a track bike)

15 months peoples, its your right

[Azi Dahaka]

my apologies the hog guy must have been a bit behind in the information

just looking on the vtnz and ltsa site and noted this was interesting

http://www.vtnz.co.nz/n9,5.html
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/49.html

Do all vehicles have to be licensed continuously?
All motor vehicles must be continuously licensed while using the road, except for the following:

vehicles that are more than 40 years old


there are some other exceptions but this was the interesting one

[scootnz]

Yes this effectively means if you let the license lapse, when you do pay it you don't pay back fees back to the date it lapsed.

So on Friday I went to the postshop, got an MR27 (application to change license expiry date), and got two months of license for my 50 year old vespa, just to go to a rally at Labour Weekend. It lapsed in April. No back fees. Ideal for vintage bikes that may only get used for a few months of each year.



http://www.vtnz.co.nz/n9,5.html
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/49.html

Do all vehicles have to be licensed continuously?
All motor vehicles must be continuously licensed while using the road, except for the following:

vehicles that are more than 40 years old

[bezajel]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129480739&postcount=40

Ms Piggy - I saw that you were joining the ride in central Wgtn. That's my intention too - but I would like to ride as a group for part of the way. I remember seeing something about a meetup point maybe on Aotea Quay for scooterists and people who can't go on the motorway to join the convoy. Has this been arranged that you (or anyone) know(s) of?

[blackdog]

So which wanker deleted the registration spreadsheet?

[Ms Piggy]

Has this been arranged that you (or anyone) know(s) of?
I'm coming from the Basin Reserve and was planning on arriving at Parliament early to take photos of the arrival.

Check with StoneY about the meeting point for scooters. Sorry I can't be of more help.

[Laxi]

So which wanker deleted the registration spreadsheet?

not deleted, just some mod merged the threads!
it's here http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmCITKyEn6HwdEt0dF9KcThIcEFsVUpXSGJGYXVSS FE&hl=en_GB

[blackdog]

not deleted, just some mod merged the threads!
it's here http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmCITKyEn6HwdEt0dF9KcThIcEFsVUpXSGJGYXVSS FE&hl=en_GB

cheers mate

[Cloggy]

So which wanker deleted the registration spreadsheet?
I've just reinstated it. Looks like it was accidentally deleted at 4.20pm.

[StoneY]

On ya Cloggy

Can we lock it so peeps can edit but not delete somehow?

[Bald Eagle]

On ya Cloggy

Can we lock it so peeps can edit but not delete somehow?

Can't delete protect it without making it invite only editing, which would defeat the purpose of publishing it for people to register. Have added notification so I will get emailed when ever any changes are made. Also am doing regular download copy backups.

[Azi Dahaka]

got this reply from ltsa

The maximum time you can licence a vehicle for is 15 months, however the new licence cannot be used for a period that would make the current licence exceed 15 months from the date of application. You can lodge an Application to Change Licence Expiry Date (form MR27) at an agent for the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA). The fees are calculated when the MR27 form is lodged at the agents and includes an administration fee of $7.30.

[StoneY]

good stuff Azi

Information is ammunition, well sourced man

[Azi Dahaka]

is there anything happening on the 31th in wellington

[Bald Eagle]

is there anything happening on the 31th in wellington

Check the calendar. Ulysses Rally at Parliament

12.30pm Parliament Grounds

[Azi Dahaka]

Check the calendar. Ulysses Rally at Parliament

12.30pm Parliament Grounds

unless i am blind i cannot see a entry on the 31st

[Bald Eagle]

unless i am blind i cannot see a entry on the 31st

You mean this entry

[StoneY]

I myself will be metting the mighty Yella Monsta (and Quasi) at the Duck Pond that morning, and heading in early enough to get a good spot (say 1030)

Anyone wanting to join me for this event, welcome by all means


:lol:

Duck Pond at 10, city at 11, have a coffee and wander back to shitstir!!!!

REPRESENT

[StoneY]

Ms Piggy - I saw that you were joining the ride in central Wgtn. That's my intention too - but I would like to ride as a group for part of the way. I remember seeing something about a meetup point maybe on Aotea Quay for scooterists and people who can't go on the motorway to join the convoy. Has this been arranged that you (or anyone) know(s) of?

I would like to see the 'big' bikes of the City come north and join one of the convoys, but otherwise, wait beside the Kings Wharf gate and slip road along there (where towies park the towed) and join the end of the convoy as needed
OR Park at the Stadium, and walk over to Parli

Cant help much in regards to a 'city' convoy, it goes against the aim of NOT disrupting CBD
I am sure our Wellington City riders will understand, the statement is all the travellers, not so much us locals, (no offence guys) its just riders coming form FAR away makes a real statement

[Bald Eagle]

I myself will be metting the mighty Yella Monsta (and Quasi) at the Duck Pond that morning, and heading in early enough to get a good spot (say 1030)

Anyone wanting to join me for this event, welcome by all means


:lol:

Duck Pond at 10, city at 11, have a coffee and wander back to shitstir!!!!

REPRESENT

See you at the duck Pond at 10 then :scooter:

[Azi Dahaka]

You mean this entry

i swear i dont see it on the calander interesting

[Cloggy]

I'm with you Azi,
Can't see anything on the calender either which refers to the Ulysses Wellington event.

[nothingflash]

me neither...

[klingon]

DOH! :Oops:

My fault... I put the calendar entries in a Social Group instead of the main calendar. Will change that now!

:stupid:

[StoneY]

Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow.......

Oops this aint the Karaoke thread

:laugh:

[Latch]

See you at the duck Pond at 10 then :scooter:

'been living in Welly the last 5 years now; I'm sure I have no idea where the 'duck pond' is. I'll try to join you if you'd care to be less cryptic! :)

[Nasty]

'been living in Welly the last 5 years now; I'm sure I have no idea where the 'duck pond' is. I'll try to join you if you'd care to be less cryptic! :)

Avalon Park, Lower Hutt - the cruisey wednesday night ride meets there.

[Ms Piggy]

I would like to see the 'big' bikes of the City come north and join one of the convoys, but otherwise, wait beside the Kings Wharf gate and slip road along there (where towies park the towed) and join the end of the convoy as needed
OR Park at the Stadium, and walk over to Parli

Cant help much in regards to a 'city' convoy, it goes against the aim of NOT disrupting CBD
I am sure our Wellington City riders will understand, the statement is all the travellers, not so much us locals, (no offence guys) its just riders coming form FAR away makes a real statement

I agree totally StoneY - I don't want to be part of a city convoy - I personally won't be able to physically make it though from work in time to meet with the convoys. So I was gonna zip through town, park up, head to Parliament and take photos of the arrival.

[StoneY]

Avalon Duck Pond on Fairway Drive

There is a huge amount of information as to where that is dude, see the Final Notice in ACC Levy sub forum (same section this thread is in)

Maps attached

[Strider]

Bugger! just read that there is a ACC run to Palament 17 Nov. I will still be holidaying down south when the ACC run to Parlement is happinging. Bugger would love to be part of that. Just have to see it on the tellie then will be a site to see all them bike or be a part of trhe run.:argh:

[Pedrostt500]

Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow.......

Oops this aint the Karaoke thread

:laugh:


We Come in peace Shoot to kill we come in Peace

[bezajel]

I would like to see the 'big' bikes of the City come north and join one of the convoys, but otherwise, wait beside the Kings Wharf gate and slip road along there (where towies park the towed) and join the end of the convoy as needed
OR Park at the Stadium, and walk over to Parli

Cant help much in regards to a 'city' convoy, it goes against the aim of NOT disrupting CBD
I am sure our Wellington City riders will understand, the statement is all the travellers, not so much us locals, (no offence guys) its just riders coming form FAR away makes a real statement

Cool, I wasn't thinking so much as a city convoy as a place to sneak in without having to go out of my comfort zone ;) (haven't done a group ride at all, other riders make me nervous!) I'll see how I feel on the day. I could just park at work and join at parliament!

[Latch]

Avalon Duck Pond on Fairway Drive

There is a huge amount of information as to where that is dude, see the Final Notice in ACC Levy sub forum (same section this thread is in)

Maps attached

Thanks.

There probably is a huge amount of information as to where that is, Stoney; but finding it is quite another matter. Try typing 'duck pond' into the Search box and you'll see what I mean. It's great that this site is so well subscribed, but it seems a victim of it's own success, to be honest. I'm trying to follow the ACC stuff and take part, but it's incredibly hard to know what's going on.

Any pointers for making sense of the site without spending an age? I'm happy to drop in every day or so, and am subscribed to this thread, amongst others.

L@

[Hawkeye]

Duck Pond Location (Avalon Park) for those that don't know.

Western Hutt Rd (SH2) Turn into Fairway Drive. Can't miss the place

[StoneY]

BMWST has made two or 3 google maps up with route points and information

I will add these to my signature as URL links soon, but meantime anyone needing diirect access to these maps

1st one created here, Papkowhai meet
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps/ms?ie=...d3292b5ab&z=15

[coffeejunkie]

Hay Stoney at the duck pond tomorrow at 10am or leaving at 10am?

[Bald Eagle]

Hay Stoney at the duck pond tomorrow at 10am or leaving at 10am?

what he said ?

[Azi Dahaka]

don't know if i can make it but if i can ill be there by 10

[BMWST?]

BMWST has made two or 3 google maps up with route points and information

I will add these to my signature as URL links soon, but meantime anyone needing diirect access to these maps

1st one created here, Papkowhai meet
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps/ms?ie=...d3292b5ab&z=15
your link doesnt work

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=118362401955073790939.000476fab768d3292b5ab&z=15

[StoneY]

your link doesnt work

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=118362401955073790939.000476fab768d3292b5ab&z=15

Dunno why, looks like exactly the same url...oh well yours does BeemA so ill go hide in the corner and let the experts do the rest

Cheers mate your a champion

[pzkpfw]

(
Dunno why, looks like exactly the same...
No biggie, you copied the display text of the URL, which was shortened with the "..." in the middle, instead of the complete URL.)

[BALZYBUELL]

what he said ?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: you said he

[Jizah]

Gah just saw you guys at the duck pond. If I had known what you were doing I would have come too.
I haven't been keeping up with this, I just assumed there was the one ride on the 16th.

[James Deuce]

Gah just saw you guys at the duck pond. If I had known what you were doing I would have come too.
I haven't been keeping up with this, I just assumed there was the one ride on the 16th.

17th.

IT'S THE 17TH

[Beemer]

Here is a shot of Sandra at the start of the ride and a group of the riders passing through Ohau on their way to Wellington this morning. A good turn out when I arrived in Levin - at least 30 bikes but more arrived as I was leaving to head to the spot to take photos.

I suppose the organisers are lucky in that the reporters on both papers here in Levin (me and the guy from the other paper) are both motorcyclists too and were interested enough to turn up to cover this. I'm going to have a chat to Sandra later to get something for the paper to go with the photos.

[Bald Eagle]

Here are a view pics of gathering at the Duck Pond and the bikes and some of the crowd in and around Parliament.

A great turn out and excellent points made with the mic.

looking forward to the 17th everyone.

[Bald Eagle]

More pics and a very well behaved bunch indeed

[Laxi]

17th.

IT'S THE 17TH

10 bloodychars

[Jizah]

17th.

IT'S THE 17TH

Typo.... :D

[Ms Piggy]

I took a bunch that are on my profile albums under 'Wellington Protest'. Awesome to see so many out today :woohoo:

If anyone would like larger originals just PM me and I can email them to ya or pop them on a disk if you want a few.

[DJ]

Few pics of the Palmy lot making their way southwards over here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129488877&postcount=95

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129488880&postcount=96

[James Deuce]

I took a bunch that are on my profile albums under 'Wellington Protest'. Awesome to see so many out today :woohoo:

If anyone would like larger originals just PM me and I can email them to ya or pop them on a dick if you want a few.

Pop them on a what?

Freudian much?

[Jantar]

...

If anyone would like larger originals just PM me and I can email them to ya or pop them on a dick if you want a few.
Cathy!!!!! You didn't seem like that type of girl to me. :innocent:

[Ms Piggy]

Pop them on a what?

Freudian much?

Cathy!!!!! You didn't seem like that type of girl to me. :innocent:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/2/26/128801198064100870.jpg

[StoneY]

Thanks Miss Piggy for the great photo's

You got my good side at least

:niceone:

[Pedrostt500]

Do we have a collection of old calculators, for the donation of, to ACC, just so they can check their sums.

[StoneY]

Ok the MP for Rimutaka wants me to take him over the Rimutaka Hill on my Ducati

:eek5:

Issue is I have no spare gear!
How can we find some gear for mr Hipkis to come for a ride???
Says he wants to see why so may of his and his neighbouring MPs find the Hill so wonderful......

maybe AJ should take him on de Buell????

He asked at the big house today but just confirmed by text...shit!

[Laxi]

surely 1 of the bike shops could loan an mp some gear for a day?

[Latch]

I've been wanting to say, surely the point to get across next time someone is on mic is this: if the Govt. wish to change the the way the ACC is run, from 'no fault' to 'pay according to the risk you take', then they must do this fairly, not singling out a group because it's easy to administer (since they know who's registered a bike) as follows:
1) Not 'according to risk' but 'according to harm done', and
2) apportion that across the whole society

This would charge lower for skydivers than rugby players (who tend to die in accidents, rather than need x-rays and casts for their broken wrists), and higher for car drivers than motorcyclists (who demonstrably do more harm).

Is this is a strong argument?

And where is our official list of arguments, please, so we can all speak with the same voice when asked? There were contributions being made at the wiki, but it seemed poorly supported.

[Quasi]

Ok the MP for Rimutaka wants me to take him over the Rimutaka Hill on my Ducati

:eek5:

Issue is I have no spare gear!
How can we find some gear for mr Hipkis to come for a ride???
Says he wants to see why so may of his and his neighbouring MPs find the Hill so wonderful......

maybe AJ should take him on de Buell????

He asked at the big house today but just confirmed by text...shit!

Just been talking with AJ who is happy to pillion anyone on his noisy beast. Wellington Motorcycles would be up for loan gear i am sure.

Well done Brent = your enthusiam is moving this along at a cracking pace:yes:

[StoneY]

Ok, on Monday I will see if WMCC might like some publicity (and smooth AJs feathers some more) and arrange a small group ride for mt Hipkiss to come along on

Make it a Ridge Runners event, and invite Chris on AJ's back seat, to Toppy's for a coffee and take him home again?

Shit...we will have to behave on the Hill tho!!!!
:bash:

[Pedrostt500]

Ok, on Monday I will see if WMCC might like some publicity (and smooth AJs feathers some more) and arrange a small group ride for mt Hipkiss to come along on

Make it a Ridge Runners event, and invite Chris on AJ's back seat, to Toppy's for a coffee and take him home again?

Shit...we will have to behave on the Hill tho!!!!
:bash:


Yep Ride like you are carring your Nanna, has he ever been on the back of a bike before?, if not you may need to teach him some pillion bassics, before you set out.

[centaurus]

I am really pissed off. All the official info that I have seen (including the official info sent through kiwibiker acc mailing list) said: meeting at the parliament on 31st of October, 12.30 to 2pm.

I arrived on Saturday about 12.45, just to find that everything was over and people were pouring out of the parliament grounds, heading to their bikes. Checked my watch twice and then started asking left and right what's happening. I thought we were thrown out, just to discover that at some point the info had changed from 12.30-2pm to 12-1pm, but there hasn't been a re-release of the official info through the channels used for the first batch of information.

I'm pretty sure the new info has been posted somewhere in one forum or another in the ACC section, but I never bothered looking for updates, automatically assuming that if there would be any change, we would be notified via the same channels as the first time.

And it turns out I wasn't the only one. Just after 1pm, when I was getting ready to leave, I've seen at least half a dozen riders coming in, looking very confused and asking questions left and right, like me before.

Who's the $%^@$#$&#$%$%^#@$#$%^!!!! that organised this meeting?:2guns::angry2::2guns::angry2:

[klingon]

I'm afraid it was a Ulysses-organised meeting. I don't know what 'communication' channels they have been using, but I'm holding my tongue on my opinions of some of Saturday's events in different parts of the country.

Let's just say - could do better! :shutup:

[Cloggy]

....... I never bothered looking for updates,...... assuming.....

Well there is the problem.


And it turns out I wasn't the only one. Just after 1pm, when I was getting ready to leave, I've seen at least half a dozen riders coming in, looking very confused and asking questions left and right, like me before.
Hmmm, 7 or so people missed out. Hundreds (perhaps 600-700 people?) made it and where there on time. That seems to indicate that the message got through allright.


Who's the $%^@$#$&#$%$%^#@$#$%^!!!! that organised this meeting?:2guns::angry2::2guns::angry2:
Can't have been reading the official information in much detail. It was organised by Ulysses and was well advertised that this was a Ulysses event.

[Insanity_rules]

I took a bunch that are on my profile albums under 'Wellington Protest'. Awesome to see so many out today :woohoo:

If anyone would like larger originals just PM me and I can email them to ya or pop them on a disk if you want a few.

You got a real nice one of my bike, can I have a copy? Its the red Ducati 900 with white belly pan stickers in front of the cenotaph.


Ok, on Monday I will see if WMCC might like some publicity (and smooth AJs feathers some more) and arrange a small group ride for mt Hipkiss to come along on

Make it a Ridge Runners event, and invite Chris on AJ's back seat, to Toppy's for a coffee and take him home again?

Shit...we will have to behave on the Hill tho!!!!
:bash:

Count me in for that ride. I also have a jacket that'll probably fit him if you need it.

[centaurus]

Well there is the problem.

Hmmm, 7 or so people missed out. Hundreds (perhaps 600-700 people?) made it and where there on time. That seems to indicate that the message got through allright.

Can't have been reading the official information in much detail. It was organised by Ulysses and was well advertised that this was a Ulysses event.

With so many posts related to ACC and ACC-events, unless you stay home all day and browse kiwibiker, you need to sort what you're reading and what not.

As for the 6-7 people that missed it, who's to say it wasn't 100 or more?

I know it was an Ulysses event. My questions was very direct (who not as in which organisation but as in what person).

I guess It would be very non-pc of me to blame this screw-up on the Ulysses members' average age :dodge: but that's the nicest of all thoughts I've been having towards the organiser(s) since Saturday.

[Hawkeye]

Ok, on Monday I will see if WMCC might like some publicity (and smooth AJs feathers some more) and arrange a small group ride for mt Hipkiss to come along on

Make it a Ridge Runners event, and invite Chris on AJ's back seat, to Toppy's for a coffee and take him home again?

Shit...we will have to behave on the Hill tho!!!!
:bash:

Time and place mate. Happy to do point duty to clear the path, TEC or general escort. (Just make it day like yesterday or today - don't want any of that wet stuff to spoil the ride).

Is it wise to do this on AJ's Buell. Who will be driving the supporting van? :lol:

[StoneY]

Who's the $%^@$#$&#$%$%^#@$#$%^!!!! that organised this meeting?:2guns::angry2::2guns::angry2:

Peter Macintosh of the Ulysses club buddy
All details flowed from him, and checking OUR official calendar announcement clearly stated 12-1pm

Sorry you missed but 600 others heard the time correct
So you don't miss the BIG one bro, 11.am at the rally points no later or you miss the rider briefings
They leave 11.30 to get to the Stadium at 12

OK NEWS

This is a huge ride
The logistics are crazy

I NEED 12 more willing volunteers in Wellington like YESTERDAY
I went with officials to do the parking survey.........Stadium is IT on demands from council and cops (and trust me its a win situation for all)

More to follow on this but I NEED !@ PEOPLE and some of them have to be willing to miss the convoy (so maybe City dwellers as opposed to Hutt/Porirua travelers)


HELP!

[Ms Piggy]

You got a real nice one of my bike, can I have a copy? Its the red Ducati 900 with white belly pan stickers in front of the cenotaph.
I can email it to ya if you PM me. :)

[Cloggy]

I NEED 12 more willing volunteers in Wellington like YESTERDAY
I went with officials to do the parking survey.........Stadium is IT on demands from council and cops (and trust me its a win situation for all)

More to follow on this but I NEED !@ PEOPLE and some of them have to be willing to miss the convoy (so maybe City dwellers as opposed to Hutt/Porirua travelers)


HELP!
Put my name down. Got the whole day of work so can help where and when needed.

[StoneY]

Put my name down. Got the whole day of work so can help where and when needed.

Yeah bro I had you down already, and an action meeting coming soon once we have our volunteers all lined up

Eugene volunteerd, so did his mate, I have a feeling I know at least two more......

Its happening
:)

[Bald Eagle]

Yeah bro I had you down already, and an action meeting coming soon once we have our volunteers all lined up

Eugene volunteerd, so did his mate, I have a feeling I know at least two more......

Its happening
:)

Hey and this needs to be in a serious meeting type meeting place, it's to important to do in the P&J.

Any ideas of a venue , my lounge , someones office ?

[StoneY]

Hey and this needs to be in a serious meeting type meeting place, it's to important to do in the P&J.

Any ideas of a venue , my lounge , someones office ?

Well hes offered the meeting room again if a tues or wednesday...and BEARS this week too, could get some recruits maybe.......

owner of the Parrot is rider man

[Bald Eagle]

Well hes offered the meeting room again if a tues or wednesday...and BEARS this week too, could get some recruits maybe.......

owner of the Parrot is rider man

the parrot it is then

[STOLLI R1]

Well the darndest thing happend to me today. Not more than 400m from my front gate I was dismounted from my R1 by a young lady who had a moment of brain fade causing me to be her breaking aid ( I was already stopped in a line of traffic). As a result I now have a rather used bike, disconnected sub frame, destroyed rear wheel and a sad look that I just can't shake. Crazy part in all this is just how keen I am to do the protest ride. I some how dismounted the bike without a single scratch on me - no ACC data contribution. I found it madly ironic how I could have been a contributing factor in the 600 - 1000cc risk evaluation.
Thing that annoyed me about that was how that statistic would be added due to the failing actions of a driver, not 1000cc engine size and rider error.

Keep up the good work StoneY I will ensure I have a new bike before the protest, looking forward to it.

[Cloggy]

Oh dude, it was you!
My neighbour told me about this yesterday as I came home from work. Initially he thought it was me (blue bike and all).
That sucks. Glad to hear you are OK though. Hope you gave the young lady in question a lecture about what is happening to us bikers and that this is a perfect example why.
Stationary bikers getting rear ended happens quite a bit.

[Beemer]

I'm doing an article for the local paper about the ride that left Levin last weekend and I've spoken to Chanceyy, but I also need a Kapiti (Otaki to Pukerua Bay) person to comment, so if there is anyone from that area who went on the ride on the 31st who is willing to comment on the record, could they please send me a PM with their contact details and I'll give them a call. I really need to speak to someone today if possible.

[StoneY]

Stationary bikers getting rear ended happens quite a bit.


Really???
Oh...I think I misinterpreted....

:Oops:

:lol:

[Kennif]

With so many posts related to ACC and ACC-events, unless you stay home all day and browse kiwibiker, you need to sort what you're reading and what not.

As for the 6-7 people that missed it, who's to say it wasn't 100 or more?

I know it was an Ulysses event. My questions was very direct (who not as in which organisation but as in what person).

I guess It would be very non-pc of me to blame this screw-up on the Ulysses members' average age :dodge: but that's the nicest of all thoughts I've been having towards the organiser(s) since Saturday.

Pretty simple solution really. Next time YOU put YOUR hand up to be the organiser and YOU encourage everyone to keep up to date with YOUR information. Put some of that angry energy of yours into pulling your weight instead of your pudding. As to the average age of Ulyssians - well ... you should be so lucky.
Kennif

[chanceyy]

I'm doing an article for the local paper about the ride that left Levin last weekend and I've spoken to Chanceyy, but I also need a Kapiti (Otaki to Pukerua Bay) person to comment, so if there is anyone from that area who went on the ride on the 31st who is willing to comment on the record, could they please send me a PM with their contact details and I'll give them a call. I really need to speak to someone today if possible.

I have left a message on your cell :) with contact details from Kapiti Ulysses

[Hawkeye]

Ok, on Monday I will see if WMCC might like some publicity (and smooth AJs feathers some more) and arrange a small group ride for mt Hipkiss to come along on

Make it a Ridge Runners event, and invite Chris on AJ's back seat, to Toppy's for a coffee and take him home again?

Shit...we will have to behave on the Hill tho!!!!
:bash:

Hey Stoney, Get Chris to see if there are any others that would also like to do it. I'm quite happy to take an MP over the hill at a sedate pace.
(If it's a National MP, I'm sure I could ditch them over the edge on the way up :lol:)

Good PR exercise that could help the cause.

[Beemer]

I have left a message on your cell :) with contact details from Kapiti Ulysses

Cheers, spoke to Roger so the article is all done and dusted now!

[chanceyy]

Cheers, spoke to Roger so the article is all done and dusted now!

Excellent look forward to seeing it :) Front page by any chance? :laugh:

[hippycrippy]

Good on you.I am new at this so dont know the best way to get message across but the important thing in putting in a submission is Ask To Be Heard.
By the time the Govt organise all the conference calls the message might start to sink in. Please help spread this info Cheers

[StoneY]

Pretty simple solution really. Next time YOU put YOUR hand up to be the organiser and YOU encourage everyone to keep up to date with YOUR information. Put some of that angry energy of yours into pulling your weight instead of your pudding. As to the average age of Ulyssians - well ... you should be so lucky.
Kennif

Well said mate

I may have my own issues with how Saturday went down, but they DID it and they did it for ALL of us

A lot more than many of the loudest voices out there have done to date

I tip my hat to the Ulysses club for the effort on the 31st, nationwaide it was a great effort
Just wish one or two of em would have offered to clean the Cenotaph.....maybe we wouldnt be forced to the stadium now, but never mind

:)

[chanceyy]

Cheers, spoke to Roger so the article is all done and dusted now!

Great Article & front page no less :clap: :wari: .. awesome job Beemer :yes:

[davebullet]

So... is the latest that we park to the stadium and walk up to parliament? or parliament comes to us at the stadium?

I'm a bit confused (I was already stupid).

[nothingflash]

.maybe we wouldnt be forced to the stadium now, but never mind:)

Huh?!:shit:

[Beemer]

Great Article & front page no less :clap: :wari: .. awesome job Beemer :yes:

I was really pleased - I had no idea until today that it was going on the front page so I was just as surprised as you were! Front page AND two photos - beat Bill English no less!

There is a link to the story - you may have to sign in to read it but apparently it's free - this one (http://fairfaxmedia.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx) was working before, but if it's playing up, try Googling The Horowhenua Mail and when you see The Horowhenua Mail Online, click on one of those links (the Fairfax one seems to work best).

[StoneY]

Oh MINT

You fuckin BEAUTY!

Everyone, BLING the fuck outta Beemer

Well done man well done

[Beemer]

Oh MINT

You fuckin BEAUTY!

Everyone, BLING the fuck outta Beemer

Well done man well done

Fank you, fank you - and it's my husband riding the blue Beemer in the middle of the pic! Anything to help, even though my bike is up for sale, it's still going to affect so many people I know so it's worth speaking up against. It was just lucky that I ended up working there the week after the ride so I went along to get some photos knowing I'd be able to get at least something published!

[Cloggy]

Excellent reporting there.
Your name is familiar. You used to hang out around the Central Region Rally Series a few years ago? Or the Hutt Valley Motorsport Club? I can't quite place it but there is a bell ringing somewhere.

[sunhuntin]

So... is the latest that we park to the stadium and walk up to parliament? or parliament comes to us at the stadium?

I'm a bit confused (I was already stupid).

yeh, im a bit confused as well, but figure i will just follow the crowds. lol

[Beemer]

Excellent reporting there.
Your name is familiar. You used to hang out around the Central Region Rally Series a few years ago? Or the Hutt Valley Motorsport Club? I can't quite place it but there is a bell ringing somewhere.

Good memory, that's me - used to write the Central Region rally reports for Speedsport and provide the Evening Post with photos for the Autopost. Was a member of the Wellington Car Club and Joe McAndrew's team photographer for three years. Also co-drove for a few different drivers.

[StoneY]

Dave, the latest is we park at The Stadium (for those in the convoy) and we walk to Parliament
Furthest possible walk (I have paced it) is 200 meters and change from the mass park

I was called today by a disabled rider, who needed a space close, so what we do have at Parliament will be for likes of this chap

We have so many coming there was nowhere else

We organized a big flash toilet truck too!!!!!
All sponsored like
:)

[TygerTung]

I am coming up from Christchurch, and staying with my cousin.

Now he is in the Brass Razoo Solidarity Band, and they play at political protests. We could quite possibly get them to come and play at the protest.
We just need to send them an invitation. Who is one of the organisers of this protest so that I can get in contact with them so that they can give out an invitation?

[StoneY]

I am coming up from Christchurch, and staying with my cousin.

Now he is in the Brass Razoo Solidarity Band, and they play at political protests. We could quite possibly get them to come and play at the protest.
We just need to send them an invitation. Who is one of the organisers of this protest so that I can get in contact with them so that they can give out an invitation?

Mate I need a QUALITY PA and thats a fact
I dunno about a band playing, parliament security might call the shots there but could we use their amps and mic's?

[TygerTung]

It is a brass band I believe so they won't have any mic's or amps. They tend to play at political protests and that sort of thing.

[StoneY]

It is a brass band I believe so they won't have any mic's or amps. They tend to play at political protests and that sort of thing.

Ok, thanks but not what this group need.

We had a great event at Parliament on Saturday but we have to utilize the time we have there to present real manifesto driven points of delivery
Social impact, industry impact, loss of revenue from many sources as industry crumbles into a rich mans playground.....blah blah

WIMA made an especially good speech and will get to again

[sinfull]

Your doing a grand job Stoney !! See there on the 17th !

[StoneY]

Your doing a grand job Stoney !! See there on the 17th !

Cheers mate be glad to see ya
:niceone:

[sinfull]

Sweet ! Be waiting for ya'll at parliments steps !

[Pedrostt500]

Dave, the latest is we park at The Stadium (for those in the convoy) and we walk to Parliament
Furthest possible walk (I have paced it) is 200 meters and change from the mass park

I was called today by a disabled rider, who needed a space close, so what we do have at Parliament will be for likes of this chap

We have so many coming there was nowhere else

We organized a big flash toilet truck too!!!!!
All sponsored like
:)

The only thing that slightly worries me about the stadium parking is the Media running head lines " Where Are The Bikes", or something of that ilk, yep I understand the reasons for parking at the Stadium, But the good reasons may take away from our presence, Maybe as we leave we ride up past Parliment, The council and police can't do anything about that, unless they block the Streets to all motorists, wich they may try.
Do not underestimate how dirty and underhand our oppisition may be.

[mowgli]

The only thing that slightly worries me about the stadium parking is the Media running head lines " Where Are The Bikes", or something of that ilk, yep I understand the reasons for parking at the Stadium, But the good reasons may take away from our presence, Maybe as we leave we ride up past Parliment, The council and police can't do anything about that, unless they block the Streets to all motorists, wich they may try.
Do not underestimate how dirty and underhand our oppisition may be.
I was thinking along the same lines but got stuck on what route we could take past parliament on our way to the Stadium... then my head hurt so I stopped :blink:

[Pedrostt500]

I was thinking along the same lines but got stuck on what route we could take past parliament on our way to the Stadium... then my head hurt so I stopped :blink:

Out of the Stadium,turn right onto Waterloo Quay, turn right onto Whitmore St, ride up to Lambton Quay, turn right down Lambton Quay, turn Left up Molesworth St, passed Parliment, then on up passed ACC Head Quarters that is oppisite Thorndon New World, Then onto the Motor way north for those who wish to leave town, or on up to Tinakori Rd for those who don't.

[Eric]

Sorry guys.

Just cought up on this thread.
Can anyone tell me what time the rally leaves SH1 from the police College.
And what time the group is suppose to be at Parliament?
I can't be arsed going thru 30 pages to find out.

cheers

[Bald Eagle]

Sorry guys.

Just cought up on this thread.
Can anyone tell me what time the rally leaves SH1 from the police College.
And what time the group is suppose to be at Parliament?
I can't be arsed going thru 30 pages to find out.

cheers

The info is here dude

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110911

[Azi Dahaka]

i really need to ask something

several bikers i know now no longer want to ride as they note and i do agree that unless we ride through wellington and then park at the stadium we are going to make no visual impact.

what is the plan for the ride as it stands at the moment. is it we turn into aotea key then straight to parlament or is it we ride past parlament and then onto the stadium.

and if not the later is there any chance of the later.

[DougieNZ]

I think we have to be fair here and take a balanced view. The police message would be that they don't want the CBD disrupted, so best way around this would be to park the bikes out of the way at the stadium and cause the least disruption.

To be fair, trying to find parking for 4-5000 bikes in the CBD would be a nightmare and would cause chaos for both the bikes and other traffic. This could result in very few people being at the rally when the time comes for the speeches - as they would be stuck in a big line of traffic.

This would seriously piss off a whole lot of people and cause chaos to the organaisers.

However, there may well be some amongst us that say we may be paying the price for being the "nice guys". Park here then - go here then - and at all times do as you are told and at all times BE NICE!

I tend to side with the organisers on this issue. the facts are we could get excellent media coverage of we blocked the streets of the CBD. But would it be painting us (or the issue) in a positive light? Could we lose important support as a result?

[pzkpfw]

Yep. The time for angry-disruptive behaviour is later.

I for one would be happy to park me and my bike in the middle of a busy Wellington intersection at rush-hour; for a relaxed cup of coffee while the cars beep away and the busses try to run me over.

...but that's for later.


(EDIT: or someone on a bicycle could "accidentally" crash into the Minister while he's walking to his car. Bu wa ha haaa.)

[Azi Dahaka]

i know and i do support the behave thing but one thing one of my mates noted was that we may be seen as a buch of ruffians wearing leather if there is no bike to support the point.

[Ixion]

i really need to ask something

several bikers i know now no longer want to ride as they note and i do agree that unless we ride through wellington and then park at the stadium we are going to make no visual impact.

what is the plan for the ride as it stands at the moment. is it we turn into aotea key then straight to parlament or is it we ride past parlament and then onto the stadium.

and if not the later is there any chance of the later.

I note (without condoning any implications) that the stadium parking will be for the organised convoy coming down SH1 and 2.

Molesworth St will still be reserved for bike parking for what the police are calling "wild geese" - riders who arrive independantly. eg riders from the South Island riding in from the Interislander terminal.

Neither the BIKEOI organisers nor BRONZ (nor the police for that matter) have any ability to prevent riders making their own way to parliament by whatever route they choose , and parking in Molesworth St

(Parking within parliament itself was never an option)

[Laxi]

molsworth street will not hold a lot of bikes, 1 of the reasons the stadium parking came about was there wasn't much room left at parliment when the estimated 500 bikes turned up for the ulysees protest

[Hawkeye]

Lets put things into perpective here. If 2000 bikes leave Avalon and 2000 bikes leave Paremata around the same time, the front of the groups will be merging at the bottom of the gorge with the back of the groups still back somewhere around Tawa/Maungaraki.
With the number of bikes taking part, you could be looking at a 6-10k snake. As we reach the CBD, believe me, we will be noticed.

However, at the moment we have got a lot of public support and totally disrupting Wellington will not help our cause. It will only alienate us and reduce the public support.

As already stated, there isn't anywhere other than the stadium capable of holding that number of bikes whilst still allowing the riders to make it to parliament on foot. The police and council have a requirement that for the number of people, adequate toilet facilities must be provided. The organisers (actually organiser - cheers stoney) have managed to get sponsorship from various places to provide said toilets.
We have to be thankful that the Stadium management are allowing us to use the facility.
(For the record, we have to steam clean the place after everyone has left - don't over lube your chain folks and if she normally leaks even the slightest bit of oil, put some newspaper down underneath. It will make the clean up so much easier).

Yes we want to make our statement, but the 17th is the time to give them the clear message without the disruption. It is a time for clear heads and putting the sensible shoes on. Not using the steel capped boots approach.

[Kennif]

And please remember ... the TV camera crews are ONLY there because they want to see someone fall off. In as spectacular way as possible preferably. Something they can use to lead into the six-o-clock news.

Failing that, a really good shot of some gloveless Harawira mofo doing a wheelie up Molesworth Street.

If they get one of those they will play it and play it and play it again. :violin:

[Azi Dahaka]

it is stupid the bad cover we as moterbikers get just because of a few idiots. and on that note i have thought of a new thing for my sig

[StoneY]

Ok everyone, lets make one last simple statement of this

The reserved parks at Parliament will have Marshalls bikes and Wildcards as well as SEVERAL disabled riders uitilizing them, Labour will place EVERY motorcycle the MPs can rise themselves inside on the day so we WILL have visible bikes at the protest

We OWE Westpac and the Police and the Council a HUGE debt of gratitude, if not for there assistance and somewhat neutral flavored support, this could NOT possibly happn.

Our city officials have welcomed our protest, they could easilly have shut us down with a few well placed barriers

Inspector Peter Baird has been at our planning meetings and ensured the NZTA, Council and Westpac Trust are all onside, we owe Pete a few beers to be blatantly honest

When the Cenotaph got stained we nearly lost our permits, and Westpac came onside

If we were to shut down the CBD of Wellington, my morning 'ghost lane' would vanish (no shit most Wellington cagers MAKE room for us on our motorway, lets keep it that way)
I have had truckies, tractor drivers (the council groundsman) and old lasies in cages toot support at my BIKEOI protest vest (thanks Scary Sewing Circle)

Lets keep the Capital populace ONSIDE, we can get millitant later on

:)

[coffeejunkie]

There is enough info floating around for us to be seen.....and come on lets face it like ppl have said when we all start making our way to parliment ppl are going to see us for sure.....Peaceful is the best way to do it with the cops and council onside we are going to look like respectful bikers who are being wrongfully done and not just a bunch of asshole making a mess and upsetting ppl.....thats not what the day is about

[rocketman1]

It is apparent to me that MANY motorcyclists, and their families are very irrate about these ACC levy increases.
I dont think the Govt are aware how passionate many motorcyclists are about their motorbikes and riding them, and how this passion will stick with through to the next election, if the rates stay as proposed.
I pay many taxes, I have four cars and two motorbikes, and all are registered, and a good paying job, so I pay my fair share of tax, I am a careful rider and don't get booked by police, and my insurance policies are all clean. Yet Bloody ACC want to charge me MORE!!
THIS PISSES ME OFF BIG TIME.

I encourage every biker, friends and family to protest big time and if this has no effect let your VOTE talk at the next election.

I have 3 push bikes I guess they will tax me to use the new NZ cycleway once built.

National Voter...we will see??

[Futura]

I concur with your sentiments Rocketman1, I am in the same position as yourself and this makes my blood boil. I protested in 93 on this issue, and still here to do the same on Tuesday, because self preservation is priority when riding, a point ACC cannot grasp. We are not all going to crash and burn and be dependants of the state for the rest of our lives as ACC is feverishly trying to convince the public of NZ of. I believe we may have a deformation case against ACC for actively campaining against motorcycling to promote and justify their cock-up. Food for thought??? Safe riding everyone, see you all on Tuesday.

[Sketchy Snr]

So what happens when the thousands of bikes leave the stadium after the Speeches, not everyone is going to leave at the same time and turn left to head back out of town with a police escort are they?? What would happen if everyone headed right ??

[BMWST?]

we WILL cause massive problems on the 17th.As hawkeye has said the line of bikes will be kilometers long.it will take ages to park them all,it will take ages for 6000 odd bikers to cross thorndon quay and then molesworth street.even if we o walk through the station ,under thorndon quay and cross molesworth street we will bring that part of town to a standstill.....
And you wait till you hear the noise that 6000 bikes will make.
I wonder which way the convoy will go into the stadium...coming in off aotea quay we have to make a right hand turn.If we stop for the lights the tail of the queue will stop on the motorway...

[Cloggy]

Just come from the Ground Zero meeting for those marshalling the event.
Trust me, the organisers seem to have things pretty well sewn up. Every eventuality seems to have been covered including things like traffic lights, the merging of the two convoys, possible disruption by other motorists, getting the people across the roads to get to the beehive etc. etc.
The police and city council are doing everything possible to assist with the smooth running of the event whilst still remaining a neutral party.
If everyone behaves and follows the instructions and briefings which will be given out on the day then the event should run relatively smoothly.

[nothingflash]

Looks like a wet trip home for most the next day...

http://www.metvuw.com/forecast/forecast.php?type=rain&region=nzni&noofdays=7

[flyingcrocodile46]

I note (without condoning any implications) that the stadium parking will be for the organised convoy coming down SH1 and 2.

Molesworth St will still be reserved for bike parking for what the police are calling "wild geese" - riders who arrive independantly. eg riders from the South Island riding in from the Interislander terminal.

Neither the BIKEOI organisers nor BRONZ (nor the police for that matter) have any ability to prevent riders making their own way to parliament by whatever route they choose , and parking in Molesworth St

(Parking within parliament itself was never an option)

That's me... not quite a Goose though, more of a Crocodile :laugh: I am going to fly down to Dunedin Sunday just so I can ride a bike up on Monday to the ferry and get there good and early so I can score me one of those "wild geese" parking spaces before any impostors riding down from Auckland weasel their way in.:yes:

[flyingcrocodile46]

:shit: Just been googling street view around Molesworth and Bowen Street. It ain't looking good for coffee shops.:sick: The heathens don't appear to have kept up with our cafe society requirements. We may have to pack our thermoses :shutup:

Seriously though, if anyone can help with suggestions of a good cafe opposite the beehive entrance it would be appreciated. Must have an elevated perspective of the front steps and main door to the Beehive. The cafe must also have a rear door.

TIA

[StoneY]

Just to ad to Ixions statement

Many of the 'reserved' spaces at Molesworth are held for pre-arranged disabled riders who have contacted the organizers regarding this factor.

PLEASE consider this, as if you have two good legs, you CAN walk from Parliament, they may have difficulty doing so

As for Cafe's, good point we need a coffee cart!!!!
Occidental 100m south on Lambtons good.....

We can get some more parking on the Vic uni side of Lambton north end, but ANYONE on Pavements or the Cenotaph will be towed, we have that on good authority, due to stains left on 31st

[Insanity_rules]

:shit: Just been googling street view around Molesworth and Bowen Street. It ain't looking good for coffee shops.:sick: The heathens don't appear to have kept up with our cafe society requirements. We may have to pack our thermoses :shutup:

Seriously though, if anyone can help with suggestions of a good cafe opposite the beehive entrance it would be appreciated. Must have an elevated perspective of the front steps and main door to the Beehive. The cafe must also have a rear door.

TIA

The coffee cart on Molesworth St (a block from parliament) makes the best coffee EVER!

FYI can anyone tell me where I can get a good coffee in downtown Auckland? I go up twice a month at least and the last one I had tasted like it had been strained through a 6 week worn jock strap.


As for Cafe's, good point we need a coffee cart!!!!

Theres one a block up the road just past the church on the left.

[Ixion]

6000 bikers. One coffee cart. Epic fail.

Pack a thermos.

And seriously, the timing means that those riding in from afar won't get a chance to eat until 3 or 4 pm. And any nearby eateries will be crowded out.

pack some nibbles or scroggin or the like.

We don't ant hungry bikers crashing cos bloos sugar's gone haywire.

[davereid]

we WILL cause massive problems on the 17th.As hawkeye has said the line of bikes will be kilometers long.it will take ages to park them all,it will take ages for 6000 odd bikers to cross thorndon quay and then molesworth street.even if we o walk through the station ,under thorndon quay and cross molesworth street we will bring that part of town to a standstill.....

One of the great things about bikes, is how good they are as practical city transport. If thousands of cars arrived on the motorway in one hit it would be overwhelmed.

But, bikes dont seem to have that trouble. I have lived in asian cities where I watched thousands of scooters negotiate pot-holed roads with broken traffic signals, without chaos.

Everyone might be quite surprised at how it works. Bikes may just seem to "melt away"...

[YAMASAKI]

theres a coffe shop right accross the road, it got a pretty good workout last time...

Cellar Vate, i might give them a call to make sure they have extra staff on hand, i think they're gonna be busy

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Wellington,+New+Zealand&ll=-41.277465,174.777701&spn=0,359.998393&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=-41.277555,174.777695&panoid=In4_TJCW3wEa6Qm-kj8D3g&cbp=12,70.42,,0,4.92

[Hawkeye]

:shit: Just been googling street view around Molesworth and Bowen Street. It ain't looking good for coffee shops.:sick: The heathens don't appear to have kept up with our cafe society requirements. We may have to pack our thermoses :shutup:

Seriously though, if anyone can help with suggestions of a good cafe opposite the beehive entrance it would be appreciated. Must have an elevated perspective of the front steps and main door to the Beehive. The cafe must also have a rear door.

TIA

2 mins walk from Parliament is Featherston St. Quite a lot of coffee shops and pubs/Hotels that do snacks and coffee etc.
Or - The terrace. Again less than 2 mins from Parliament with coffee shops galore.
Last time we rode on the 31st, it was a Saturday and not all of those were open. This is a business day in the CBD.
They will all be open.
And if they have any sense, they will be gearing up for the influx.

[sunhuntin]

6000 bikers. One coffee cart. Epic fail.

Pack a thermos.

And seriously, the timing means that those riding in from afar won't get a chance to eat until 3 or 4 pm. And any nearby eateries will be crowded out.

pack some nibbles or scroggin or the like.

We don't ant hungry bikers crashing cos bloos sugar's gone haywire.

thats a damn good idea, and one i hadnt considered! got the thermos sorted, but hadnt considered lunch, and and maybe dinner.

*adds sammies to list*

[pzkpfw]

There's a supermarket in the Railway station and another up the street Parliament's on. Also some more cafes and stuff up that way.

[peasea]

I smell a golden opportunity for a gargantuan pie cart.

[StoneY]

We have an official BIKEOI Hot Dog stand at Avalon for the hungry travellers, not much but hey, its a start

We also have confirmed a TV Chopper to film the rides on the way in

Woooohoooo!!!!

[Ixion]

Where's Avalon ?

[StoneY]

Where's Avalon ?

The other meeting spot Les
SH2 gathering point

Maps on the Final Announcement thread which is gonna be edited up tomorrow after the action plan is finalized with Council, NZTA (we have special control over traffic lights granted us)

TVNZ have put on a Chopper to film both convoys!!!!
RIDE SAFE everyone

[Ixion]

Oh, the Duck Pond palce. Duck sandwiches I guess.

[Trudes]

If you're going to the Duck Pond, make sure you have a sit on Uncle B's seat.

[rustic101]

We have an official BIKEOI Hot Dog stand at Avalon for the hungry travellers, not much but hey, its a start

We also have confirmed a TV Chopper to film the rides on the way in

Woooohoooo!!!!

Have to have a greasy pie and flat white with my offsider lol:whistle:

[davebullet]

I've missed the chain here...

The final information thread hasn't been updated in 2 weeks.

Are we converging at parliament? What's this about parking at the stadium? Are we then walking to parliament or are the penguins coming up to the stadium to get tackled there?

Can we have a "boy" version of the information - no waffle - just the timings / facts please.

[davebullet]

The other meeting spot Les
SH2 gathering point

Maps on the Final Announcement thread which is gonna be edited up tomorrow after the action plan is finalized with Council, NZTA (we have special control over traffic lights granted us)

TVNZ have put on a Chopper to film both convoys!!!!
RIDE SAFE everyone

Ok I am officially a dumbass. I will wait... maybe it's just that I'm egging for a punchup!

[Futura]

[QUOTE=Seriously though, if anyone can help with suggestions of a good cafe opposite the beehive entrance it would be appreciated. Must have an elevated perspective of the front steps and main door to the Beehive. The cafe must also have a rear door.[/QUOTE]

Croc: I know where there's a grassy knoll too, and bonus,there's a coffee shop across the road that does mint flat whites... I can also do you a deal on a nice wee tripod...:2guns:

[rustic101]

Croc: I know where there's a grassy knoll too, and bonus,there's a coffee shop across the road that does mint flat whites... I can also do you a deal on a nice wee tripod...:2guns:

and let them know they may be busy on the 17th ;)

[PhantasmNZ]

Just wonderin' from the guys here that know the lay of the land down in welly... I'm flying in on the morn of the 17th and current plan is that dogsnbikes is loaning one of his bikes for me to join the last part of the ride (picking up from the blubridge terminal)

I'm arriving in WGTN @ 10:30 and gonna cab into the cbd and have to be back @ the airport for a 4:30 flight (so by 4 @ latest really) and I'm a bit concerned with timing


Couple of Q's
1. Will I have time to get to an assembly point?
2. Will I be able to get DnB's bike back 2 the ferry term and back to the airport in time for my plane (considering how much damage we might to do to wellington's transport infrastructure ;) ) (maybe I'll be able to get a pillion back to the aiport from a kind bikie

3.am I expecting to much - and should I just make it to parliament and help out the guys there?

any advice appreciated - spent a bit of time in welly - so know the approx layout etc - but some local knowledge would be good...

[peasea]

Where's Avalon ?

Don't you know anything about King Arthur?

[Cloggy]

To PhantasmNZ:

The bike won't even have time to warm up in the time it takes to get from the ferry terminal to the stadium. In fact it would probably be quicker to walk to parliament than to get your gear on, start the bike and ride there.

[nothingflash]

But if you want to be part of the ride, you'd probably make it to either meeting point by 11.30ish - no doubt in plenty of time at least before the last bikes leave.

[BMWST?]

Just wonderin' from the guys here that know the lay of the land down in welly... I'm flying in on the morn of the 17th and current plan is that dogsnbikes is loaning one of his bikes for me to join the last part of the ride (picking up from the blubridge terminal)

I'm arriving in WGTN @ 10:30 and gonna cab into the cbd and have to be back @ the airport for a 4:30 flight (so by 4 @ latest really) and I'm a bit concerned with timing


Couple of Q's
1. Will I have time to get to an assembly point?
2. Will I be able to get DnB's bike back 2 the ferry term and back to the airport in time for my plane (considering how much damage we might to do to wellington's transport infrastructure ;) ) (maybe I'll be able to get a pillion back to the aiport from a kind bikie

3.am I expecting to much - and should I just make it to parliament and help out the guys there?

any advice appreciated - spent a bit of time in welly - so know the approx layout etc - but some local knowledge would be good...

both convoys leave respective paces at 1130 so if you dont muck about and get a cab to Bluebridege you should get ou to either place in time...You will ieasily be able to hook onto the back of the convoy,esp if there are as many as is predicted.shouldnt have any trouble getting back to the airport once you are away from thorndon.... maybe a nice welly rider will pick you up from the airport( I cant sorry)

[Ms Piggy]

3.am I expecting to much - and should I just make it to parliament and help out the guys there?
We'd LOVE your help! http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129509427#post1129509427

Seriously it may be the 'getting out' that will be tricky for ya and depending on the traffic you may be pushing it to get into town from the airport before 11:30, also your plane may land at 10:30 but you probabaly won't exit the airport until 10:45. And like Cloggy has said if you're picking up a bike from the Bluebridge Ferry terminal you could walk to Parliament by the time the lights change just about.

[yungatart]

I have word that a HB MP would like to pillion to parliament. He has all his own gear, but no bike. He really wants to be a part of this. Can anyone help?

[Kennif]

I have word that a HB MP would like to pillion to parliament. He has all his own gear, but no bike. He really wants to be a part of this. Can anyone help?

Tell him to give Rick Barker MP a call. He could go on the back of Rick's Rocket.

[Kennif]

Hi everyone
As you may know, Wellington Ulysses has taken on the role of organising the Wellington Bikoi starts at Papakowhai and Avalon. If you are leading a group to Welly we would really appreciate it if you could make yourselves known to us when you arrive. We may need you to help lead groups down the motorway.

At Papakowhai please contact Ken Wilson. (Kennif)
At Avalon please contact John Maroulis. (KoroJ)

You'll be able to recognise us by our walking frames. :innocent:
PM me with any queries.

[chanceyy]

No probs Kennif number dependant we will have at least 3 groups arriving from levin expected time of arrival between 10.15 to 11-15 for arrival, the last group will prob be the largest, however I figure there will be ppl arriving all morn :clap: