Horowhenua-Palmy Local Protest Action

[Elysium]

Dam what a day! And I have a sun burnt face to show for it! Got to do more of these protest rides.

[chanceyy]

I had soo much fun!! :2thumbsup to the Organisers to make sure we all stayed safe. Got down there and back quite happily. Bike also sits quite nicely at 90km on a L plate. :lol: :nono:

Anyone have any news on a crash or anything? My mate who is anti bikes is saying that there was one death, and i will quote him here:

glad you had a great day Adrian :yes: and have not had any news re crash .. sure hope not


But no one does a chanceyy speech like you!:laugh:

do I hear a Thank gawd in there :laugh:

Actually, there is an I in "Team Bikoi":D

:clap: and in coordinators

Absolutely mint day! Cheers Sandra and everyone else for helping make this day such a success!:2thumbsup

thanks Owl, everyone can pat themselves on the back

also I forgot to thank those who at fairly short notice put their hands up to be marshals from Palmy down to Papakowhai .. cheers guys

[Elysium]

I had soo much fun!! :2thumbsup to the Organisers to make sure we all stayed safe. Got down there and back quite happily. Bike also sits quite nicely at 90km on a L plate. :lol: :nono:

Anyone have any news on a crash or anything? My mate who is anti bikes is saying that there was one death, and i will quote him here:

Now that you mention that my flat mate who just got home from work said there was some accident involving two motorcyclists this evening. Can anybody confirm this?

[Gerbs]

Even tho I missed the start in the Square carpark (damn work) big ups to the people who put it together - and thanks to all the other riders for not cramping up on the road!

w00t! Lets do it AGAIN!

[chanceyy]

Now that you mention that my flat mate who just got home from work said there was some accident involving two motorcyclists this evening. Can anybody confirm this?

so far no Police reports of accidents involving motorbikes today .. hope it stays that way :yes:

Hopeful, no reports from this morn either

[Pegasus]

so far no Police reports of accidents involving motorbikes today .. hope it stays that way :yes:

Hopeful, no reports from this morn either

Agreed, lets hope that it is just rumors that won't be substantiated.

I had a great day, thanks everyone. Found a few new muscles now though.

[DJ]

Awesome day! Thanks to all the organisers for their efforts! :rockon:
Well worth it.

I've uploaded photos from on the road today to
http://picasaweb.google.com/darren.joyce/Bikoi1?#

[sunhuntin]

i just got in the door and didnt see any accidents, though an ambo and firey both went flying past at different times. who knows where they were headed for though.

EDIT: i was told of an off at sanson this morning... someone showing off shot out of shell and rear ended a car. no injuries, but the bike is apparently a wreck. co worker told me at the stadium.

awesome ride today everyone... well done! good ride down... ive never felt so comfortable in a group before.
adrian: you are easily one of the best riders i have ever had the pleasure of sharing a road with. congrats! nice to meet both you and james, and hope to ride with you both again.

had a good ride home once i got past peka peka... for someone reason it was a total traffic jam until then... dunno why. sat on 110 almost the whole way home. only one cop who was parked in plain view with his tail lights going. rain started in levin, but i managed to outrun it until about sanson, where it settled in for good.

[bogan]

manwatu standard did a decent article on the protest, found here (http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/3073885/Local-bikers-rev-up-protest-action)

[chanceyy]

manwatu standard did a decent article on the protest, found here (http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/3073885/Local-bikers-rev-up-protest-action)

Awesome work Bogan .. you simply did an outstanding job in Palmy :clap:




will take a week or two off before we start considering other protest actions .. :blip:

[banditrider]

Awesome work Bogan .. you simply did an outstanding job in Palmy :clap:




will take a week or two off before we start considering other protest actions .. :blip:

He even had a good Chanceyy speech!

[chanceyy]

He even had a good Chanceyy speech!

funny that :innocent: :whistle: :laugh:

[Hopeful Bastard]

Found a few new muscles now though.

Bah!! I havent found any new muscles.. Get out more often ;)

[Leviticus]

Bah!! I havent found any new muscles.. Get out more often ;)

come to the ride tomorrow night

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=111555

[Hopeful Bastard]

I'd love to but i am heading to Tauranga in my Cage tomorrow morning for my mates wedding

[sunhuntin]

Bah!! I havent found any new muscles.. Get out more often ;)

i found a few new ones, but i also rediscovered my tailbone! by the time i got home, i felt i had ridden to chch.

[Hopeful Bastard]

Yeah.. i noticed a had an ass bone too by the time i got back to Levin from Wellington ;)

[phantom]

Just a couple of pictures from the bikoi at the palmy start point

[bogan]

Plan is to park one bike per car park (bring coinage for meters) along selected roads in central palmy, then hand out flyers and get sigs on the petition etc.

Assemble in square before 8:30am on the 19th December, numbers of bikes there will determine which streets we park along.

Protest is designed for maximum impact with a minimum of inconvenience to the public, so we plan to park along one side of the selected roads, as well as stationing groups of bikes near selected pedestrian choke points.

Flyers and petition details will be added to this thread within a few days.

Put the word out, the more the merrier!

[Hopeful Bastard]

Sorry.. Wont be participating in this one.. Bike doesnt have a wof.. And rego runs out on the 12th so will be unrego'd and no wof on palmy streets.. Hrmm.. Dont want a fine from your local friendlies now do i ;)

Also, No cash (yet) to be able to get either of them so yeah.. Thats the bonus of having no job yet...

[Nasty]

Plan is to park one bike per car park (bring coinage for meters) along selected roads in central palmy, then hand out flyers and get sigs on the petition etc.

Assemble in square before 8:30am on the 19th December, numbers of bikes there will determine which streets we park along.

Protest is designed for maximum impact with a minimum of inconvenience to the public, so we plan to park along one side of the selected roads, as well as stationing groups of bikes near selected pedestrian choke points.

Flyers and petition details will be added to this thread within a few days.

Put the word out, the more the merrier!

This could be fun ... I will put the word out down here in Welly .. so those wanted Breaky up that way might be able to join you.

[Owl]

Plan is to park one bike per car park (bring coinage for meters) along selected roads in central palmy, then hand out flyers and get sigs on the petition etc.

Assemble in square before 8:30am on the 19th December, numbers of bikes there will determine which streets we park along.

Protest is designed for maximum impact with a minimum of inconvenience to the public, so we plan to park along one side of the selected roads, as well as stationing groups of bikes near selected pedestrian choke points.

Flyers and petition details will be added to this thread within a few days.

Put the word out, the more the merrier!

I'll get the relevant parking information tonight. I tried the Google street view thing, but it doesn't cut it, so beating the feet is the only answer.:yes:

[chanceyy]

Sorry.. Wont be participating in this one.. Bike doesnt have a wof.. And rego runs out on the 12th so will be unrego'd and no wof on palmy streets.. Hrmm.. Dont want a fine from your local friendlies now do i ;)

Also, No cash (yet) to be able to get either of them so yeah.. Thats the bonus of having no job yet...

very good point Adrian, legal bikes with wof & rego are a must. along with the coinage for the meter :)

[chanceyy]

I'll get the relevant parking information tonight. I tried the Google street view thing, but it doesn't cut it, so beating the feet is the only answer.:yes:

:clap: on ya Owl ..

[Owl]

:clap: on ya Owl ..

Oh yeah, check your hotmail!:msn-wink:

[chanceyy]

Oh yeah, check your hotmail!:msn-wink:

:wari: awesome thank you .. btw you will rec a invite too :yes:

[gazmascelle]

Plan is to park one bike per car park (bring coinage for meters) along selected roads in central palmy, then hand out flyers and get sigs on the petition etc.

Assemble in square before 8:30am on the 19th December, numbers of bikes there will determine which streets we park along.

Protest is designed for maximum impact with a minimum of inconvenience to the public, so we plan to park along one side of the selected roads, as well as stationing groups of bikes near selected pedestrian choke points.

Flyers and petition details will be added to this thread within a few days.

Put the word out, the more the merrier!


I'm keen. Guess this means I have to get rego sorted..

[road king]

i have nothing planed for that day, :yes:I'm in!!!!!

[sunhuntin]

would love to be there, but wont be able to get off work, damnit.

[Meanie]

Could be into this, brekkie in town.....nice

[bogan]

added the pdf with flyer and petition on it to the original parking protest post this one (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129557246&postcount=269)

[XP@]

Sorry.. Wont be participating in this one.. Bike doesnt have a wof.. And rego runs out on the 12th so will be unrego'd and no wof on palmy streets.. Hrmm.. Dont want a fine from your local friendlies now do i ;)

Also, No cash (yet) to be able to get either of them so yeah.. Thats the bonus of having no job yet...
If a little closer to the time there are a lot of bikes (say > 40) going then I could try & get a pass for the morning and pick you up on the way...
That is if you do pillion...

[chanceyy]

I have changed the title as the bikeoi is not as valid as local protest action ..

I have also stuck the thread so its easier to find .. & added to the first post info regarding Bogans post on the protest

[chanceyy]

Spoke with Clive fr woodville lions & labour MP has been in touch & will be at the start of C2C getting signatures for the Petition :wari:

[ynot slow]

Sounds bloody good to do,imagine if we took all parks along George St early on,as an example,mind you the cafe owners will get some thirsty customers so that should make them happy.

[kevie]

Is it able to be maybe done here,similar to other regions whereby we have a couple of bikes of different styles,i.e tourer,sports scotter etc.Have a heap of flyers to hand out,and posters on bikes showing accident stats relevant to the cause.Ideal place is square and maybe by info centre,say from 11.00-2.00pm.Bikes obviously need to be rego and wof,maybe also get a farm bike from bike shop as well,to show that road ridden bikes are regoed,while farm bikes are not,thereby not paying acc levy,but still are included in bike accidents statistics.

I am keen to do this.

A tandem with a quad, farmbike and motocross bike would be good and signage to say thats what the public are being motor-vehicle levied for

[XP@]

A tandem with a quad, farmbike and motocross bike would be good and signage to say thats what the public are being motor-vehicle levied for

I thought this was already covered:

Off road bikes we cannot prove they are not included in the stats.
Farm Bikes are supposedly covered under the work account.


If you really want to get public sympathy then ask if they would intentionally give ACC their holiday pay or give up their well paid job in favour of working 30hours a week at minimum wage.

If the levy has to increase to maintain this type of cover then so be it. BUT it should be done fairly and with respect to the Woodhouse report and the five principles of ACC. The amendment bill currently in progress is failing these big time. Oh and the "final" levies announced last week are still subject to the bill being passed in it's current form, this is still not a certainty.

[chanceyy]

Hey ya James

the flyers will be changed by next weekend, fingers crossed, dropping the money part & the focus will be ensuring joe public will see this affects them in one way or another ..

[bogan]

will have something done on tues, will focus on the woodhouse principals, and what the violation of these will lead to, keep with the whos next theme, maybe somthing about maintaining traction from the bikeoi protest which sent a message to the government, and got the bike levy increase reduced, and the worker levy was also reduced to a quarter of what was proposed....

sound good? any other thoughts?

[chanceyy]

will have something done on tues, will focus on the woodhouse principals, and what the violation of these will lead to, keep with the whos next theme, maybe somthing about maintaining traction from the bikeoi protest which sent a message to the government, and got the bike levy increase reduced, and the worker levy was also reduced to a quarter of what was proposed....

sound good? any other thoughts?

increase in car rego, employee/employer increase,

along with others we discussed .. others may have more info, also PM Mstrs he will have some good info as well

[road king]

soooo......

this Saturday at what time???????

and do we just park up were ever or do we meet somewhere first??????

[bogan]

soooo......

this Saturday at what time???????

and do we just park up were ever or do we meet somewhere first??????

meet in the by square 8:30am to get an idea of numbers, then decide which streets to park up on, as there are a number of different streets we can choose between depending on the number of bikes, will be working on the new flyers tonight

[Headbanger]

meet in the by square 8:30am

Hmmmm,........that would mean leaving Wanganui by 8am.:rolleyes:

I shall set the alarm.

[bogan]

put together a flyer (pdf attached)for sats protest (and any other action people want to use it for) may have missed bits or have gramatical errors... so let me know what you guys think

[ItsTheHamma]

hmm.... The Manawatu Standard must have written something about bikes being parked up all over town in the last full week for Christmas Shopping or some such. All the non-bikers from my work (everyone) thinks this is just going to really piss people off and get no sympathy for our cause. I tend to agree. Really bad timing, some people were surprisingly angry at us about considering doing this

[bogan]

hmm.... The Manawatu Standard must have written something about bikes being parked up all over town in the last full week for Christmas Shopping or some such. All the non-bikers from my work (everyone) thinks this is just going to really piss people off and get no sympathy for our cause. I tend to agree. Really bad timing, some people were surprisingly angry at us about considering doing this

you able to get a link to the article? Its wont be all over town, it wont be for long, and its designed to get exposure, not to inconvenience people, we tried being Mr nice bikers, still got unfairly levier, time to step it up a notch.

[ItsTheHamma]

Yep exposure good I agree. I haven't found the article myself, could be one of the community newspapers, however most of my co-workers were quite supportive of the Bikeoi, but they hate this idea

[Meanie]

Yep exposure good I agree. I haven't found the article myself, could be one of the community newspapers, however most of my co-workers were quite supportive of the Bikeoi, but they hate this idea

Tell them to shop another day
We arnt there to piss anyone off just make a point any way we can, bound to upset a few

[Owl]

Yep exposure good I agree. I haven't found the article myself, could be one of the community newspapers, however most of my co-workers were quite supportive of the Bikeoi, but they hate this idea

A maximum of 158 strategic carparks for 2 hours is hardly going to cause a major inconvenience in the grand scheme of things. It will however cause one hell of a visual impact and perhaps open a few eyes!

[ItsTheHamma]

which 158 strategic carparks? Maybe I am a pussy but the whole idea is to get the public on our side, and I don't think this is doing us any favours at all. Anything that inconveniences the cage drivers at this time of year will
sure be noticed but not in our favour

[ItsTheHamma]

We should leave it till January. It will still get noticed, but will get a lot more support from the general population

[Owl]

We should leave it till January. It will still get noticed, but will get a lot more support from the general population

We'll give that some thought on Sunday:msn-wink:

[ItsTheHamma]

I'm trying to decide if that is sarcastic or not. Sunday Good for you then with your political statement! I will be riding my bike somewhere in rural Hawkes Bay having a rark up. One of us will be having the better time, and my bike only has my riding to worry about to get her home safe & sound. I arn't gonna piss off Palmy people with our cause at this time of year, as I firmly believe it works against us. So you guys go protest all you like, and don't give a stuff about the bigger picture. You should listen to some of us oldies that have done this crap before.

[Owl]

I will be riding my bike somewhere in rural Hawkes Bay having a rark up. One of us will be having the better time, and my bike only has my riding to worry about to get her home safe & sound. I arn't gonna piss off Palmy people with our cause at this time of year, as I firmly believe it works against us. So you guys go protest all you like, and don't give a stuff about the bigger picture. You should listen to some of us oldies that have done this crap before.

Is your bike registered now Mark?:rofl:

[ItsTheHamma]

nah, i pretty much hoping Chrissy present money makes her legal again. She's all serviced properly & wof'ed and I ride her and I haven't been caught so far with no rego.....Mark

[Gerbs]

Couple of pointers:

Depending how long this parking thing goes for, I suggest you avoid Broadway Ave altogether.

Anywhere else is fine.

I'm kinda in a awkward position for this particular action, as I'm the guy who fixes the parking meters!
I'll be cheering you on quietly :)

Its been mentioned before, but be prepared for abuse. Christmas ISN'T a time of giving (thanks retail wanker stores!), its a time for stress :angry2:

[bogan]

Its been mentioned before, but be prepared for abuse. Christmas ISN'T a time of giving (thanks retail wanker stores!), its a time for stress :angry2:

I'll be leaving my leathers on!

pegasus has suggested adding a couple of websites to the flyer, so will get on to that tonight, any suggestions on what the best websites are?

[cowboyz]

You should listen to some of us oldies that have done this crap before.

and yet.. look at the position we are in now?

Maybe, we should all sit at home and write a letter. At least the paper shredder people will get a bonus for xmas.........

[Pegasus]

I'll be leaving my leathers on!

pegasus has suggested adding a couple of websites to the flyer, so will get on to that tonight, any suggestions on what the best websites are?

I don't have time to read it all now (short staffed at work today, co-worker away sick), but the woodhouse principles looks good.

[XP@]

put together a flyer (pdf attached)for sats protest (and any other action people want to use it for) may have missed bits or have gramatical errors... so let me know what you guys think

Good but...

Is it worth changeing the bike pic to a silouette of some people like this
http://clipartmountain.com/clip5/people3.gif or http://icuchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/family-silhouette-clip-art-300x295.jpg

This nix myth quote summs up how they intend to shaft claimants. useful to bear in mind.

"Initiatives underway this year covering physiotherapy, high-tech imaging, hearing, self-harm, rehabilitation, criminal disentitlements, and tighter income compensation will save more than $100 million per year and ensure the burden of fixing ACC does not just fall on levy payers.

ACC Is targeting ALL NZ but especially those who have had an accident.
ACC can make you take a job on min wage even if you were on $100k/year.

The government is trying to sell off ACC. They did not raise the petrol levy because it does not fit with the insurance company model. Instead they chose hike vehicle levies a lot. Making the vehicle levy less affordable, this will make it more expensive for those who still pay it.

The Woodhouse principles area seems to merge in to its self, lots of text...
perhaps tie them in to parts of the Ammendment act that contravene them. (i've a few linked in my oral submission notes)

How about changing what can We do to what can YOU do?
And include: Contact your MP and ask them not to support the act. (with local mp name, phone and email)

It's unjustified section could probably do with some shoring up, or probably combining with the it's happened section to really show the people on the street it is effecting them, and their kids (loss of legacy).

Will mull it over on way home....

[gazmascelle]

Tell them to shop another day
We arnt there to piss anyone off just make a point any way we can, bound to upset a few


I agree. I've seen many people refer to this ACC issue as a 'fight' or a 'war'. tell me..

Has anyone here seen a war that doesn't at least inconvenience someone in some way?

Has anyone seen a fight without at least someone being pissed off for some reason?


Now I want to avoid pissing people off just as much as anyone else here. But there's no way to solve something like this without some unwanted side effects. Let's be honest here, just the fact that we get around on two wheels instead of four is enough to piss some people off. shit happens. I'll be there saturday morning.

[bogan]

Good but...

Is it worth changeing the bike pic to a silouette of some people like this
http://clipartmountain.com/clip5/people3.gif or http://icuchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/family-silhouette-clip-art-300x295.jpg


Did think of changing the graphic, but I think we need a bigger discussion group if we want to move to a new slogan/graphic so I left it as is. And as its still bikers doing the protesting I think the old one works.


How about changing what can We do to what can YOU do?
And include: Contact your MP and ask them not to support the act. (with local mp name, phone and email)


Will update it to that tonight.



This nix myth quote summs up how they intend to shaft claimants. useful to bear in mind.


ACC Is targeting ALL NZ but especially those who have had an accident.
ACC can make you take a job on min wage even if you were on $100k/year.

The government is trying to sell off ACC. They did not raise the petrol levy because it does not fit with the insurance company model. Instead they chose hike vehicle levies a lot. Making the vehicle levy less affordable, this will make it more expensive for those who still pay it.

The Woodhouse principles area seems to merge in to its self, lots of text...
perhaps tie them in to parts of the Ammendment act that contravene them. (i've a few linked in my oral submission notes)

It's unjustified section could probably do with some shoring up, or probably combining with the it's happened section to really show the people on the street it is effecting them, and their kids (loss of legacy).

Will mull it over on way home....

Thanks for your input, I did wonder about the woodhouse principals part, but theres not a lot more I can take out of that section, I'm unfamiliar with the parts of the amendment act that tie in with them, if you wanna write the text for it I'd be happy to c&p it in there, same goes for any other changes

[Meanie]

We'll give that some thought on Sunday:msn-wink:

Yep i concur :yes:
See you all Saturday morning

[chanceyy]

Awesome work guys, unfortunately I can not make it, but really hope a good number of bikes do make it .. there are a few from down this way coming up for it :clap:

Yes it will put a few ppl out for two hours by 11am bikes will be gone but point will be made and hopefully a few ppl have their eyes opened that this is serious and affects them as well

most non bikers I have talked to & the elderly at the RSA do not mind a bit of inconvenience to keep the message going, esp now they realise how much the changes in ACC will actually affect them personally ... This will not be settled quickly, make no mistake about that

[sinfull]

Palmy by 8.30 :gob: Mmmm should still get to Manfield by 11.30 in time for race 1 I guess !
Can my sign please read


J Key : Ex Insurance Man ?
ACC : Soon to be owned by the Insurance Man ?
Your wallet : Owned by the Insurance Man ?
Do you want this ?
I don't !

[XP@]

Did think of changing the graphic, but I think we need a bigger discussion group if we want to move to a new slogan/graphic so I left it as is. And as its still bikers doing the protesting I think the old one works.
Yup, true, thought that would be the case :)

Thanks for your input, I did wonder about the woodhouse principals part, but theres not a lot more I can take out of that section, I'm unfamiliar with the parts of the amendment act that tie in with them, if you wanna write the text for it I'd be happy to c&p it in there, same goes for any other changes
I fell asleep last night a tad earlier than I expected I will have a go later today. I did come up with a few interesting connections on the way home last night :)

[bogan]

I fell asleep last night a tad earlier than I expected I will have a go later today. I did come up with a few interesting connections on the way home last night :)

also bear in mind not all the info needs to be on there, I'll put some website addys on there too, so we want info to get the public interested enough to do thier own research.

[XP@]

That is the hard part, what to put on ... but in such a way that it is beliveable and we can substantiate the claims if asked.

I've just broken part of my own argument which puts my financial stuff back a bit :(

[bogan]

"Q: Why doesn’t ACC collect levies from those who participate in sporting and other recreational activities, instead of just targeting motorcyclists?

A: ACC currently collects levies for non-work injuries from earners and from the Government. To date ACC has not been able to establish a cost-effective mechanism for levying high-risk, non-work activities, but there is on-going work in this area.

just found this in another thread so thatll go in the updated version too

[bogan]

updated the flyer, probably add some more websites to it if anyone knows any good ones that aren't too biker oriented.

Any idea of numbers for these things? I can probably do about 50 (black and whites) here....

[cowboyz]

nice job. still all go for 830am sat in the square?

[chanceyy]

updated the flyer, probably add some more websites to it if anyone knows any good ones that aren't too biker oriented.

Any idea of numbers for these things? I can probably do about 50 (black and whites) here....

Hard to say John, I should be able to get a print run done at work this morn,
Will get them to you in morn :)

[bogan]

nice job. still all go for 830am sat in the square?

yip


Hard to say John, I should be able to get a print run done at work this morn,
Will get them to you in morn :)

sounds good, will run off some at massey as well

[bogan]

just come across the petition sheets on kb, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129548292&postcount=1, looks lightly neater than the scaned ones chanceyy sent me, I'll print off 10 for tomorow, and try and get another couple filled out through work, family, mates etc.

[Beemer]

A maximum of 158 strategic carparks for 2 hours is hardly going to cause a major inconvenience in the grand scheme of things. It will however cause one hell of a visual impact and perhaps open a few eyes!

I'm afraid I have to disagree. It's the LAST Saturday before Christmas and there will be a lot of people wanting to park in town so they don't have to walk miles with their purchases. I'm going to avoid PN for this very reason on Saturday morning as I had an accident three weeks ago (not on the bike) and can't walk very far. If I got there and found a pile of bikes parked there for two hours, I would be pissed off - and I am a motorcyclist myself, not just a member of the general public.

I think the bikoi was fantastic and garnered a lot of public support. This kind of action, the week before Christmas, is likely to undo a lot of that public goodwill and I doubt it will be regained easily.

This is my personal opinion, but the majority of motorcyclists I've spoken to recently agree. I also think turning up to National party events to show how pissed off motorcyclists are is also the wrong way to go about things.

I'm happy to buy the teeshirt, support the bikoi, speak up, etc, but I have no desire to alienate the general public by inconveniencing them at this time of the year. Park up somewhere, walk along the streets and hand out flyers - but I think the backlash from this kind of action will surprise you.

[bogan]

i get where you are coming from, but this time its not about bikers, its about educating the public that this affects them as well. This close to xmas it is also a great opportunity. Next year the average citizen will have paid an extra (200 or over i think?) to the government in unessesary levies, xmas is one time where money is tight, so people may be more receptive to such a message. And with many family gatherings and time off etc hopefuly people will research whats going on, and discus with others, to get the message out there.

[road king]

Protest is designed for maximum impact with a minimum of inconvenience to the public, so we plan to park along one side of the selected roads, as well as stationing groups of bikes near selected pedestrian choke points.




I'm afraid I have to disagree. It's the LAST Saturday before Christmas and there will be a lot of people wanting to park in town so they don't have to walk miles with their purchases. I'm going to avoid PN for this very reason on Saturday morning as I had an accident three weeks ago (not on the bike) and can't walk very far. If I got there and found a pile of bikes parked there for two hours, I would be pissed off - and I am a motorcyclist myself, not just a member of the general public.

I think the bikoi was fantastic and garnered a lot of public support. This kind of action, the week before Christmas, is likely to undo a lot of that public goodwill and I doubt it will be regained easily.

This is my personal opinion, but the majority of motorcyclists I've spoken to recently agree. I also think turning up to National party events to show how pissed off motorcyclists are is also the wrong way to go about things.

I'm happy to buy the teeshirt, support the bikoi, speak up, etc, but I have no desire to alienate the general public by inconveniencing them at this time of the year. Park up somewhere, walk along the streets and hand out flyers - but I think the backlash from this kind of action will surprise you.

can i just piont out that the plan is not to take up all the parks, unlike the protest planed for auckland on the same day,




Recent events have changed nothing, we are still going ahead with the "Who's Next" campaign

What:

Meet at Viaduct Habour (the car park in the centre, past the Maritime Museum) using up all the available car parks.
Have some biker friendly food and drink in the area while educating the public.
Ride up Queen Street. (Route TBC)
Deliver Christmas Cards and Presents in smaller groups.

When:

Saturday 19th December

Meeting Viaduct 7:30 am
Rollout Viaduct 10 am

What else:

Please send me names and addresses for presents. Still room for more

Theflash is printing out some Christmas cards. Thanks!!!!

CrAzYMoFo is supplying the coal. Good on ya!!!!

PrincessBandit is supplying the oranges. Sorry you can't make it yourself

[Headbanger]

It's the LAST Saturday before Christmas and there will be a lot of people wanting to park in town

Its pure genius.

-Insert evil laugh here-

[StoneY]

Good luck tomorro twam Horo

Bloody welly weather has canned our event, no point having all our bikes lying on the sides due to gale force winds and no one there to rant at (for same reasons)

Represent!

[Hopeful Bastard]

Good luck tomorro twam Horo

Bloody welly weather has canned our event, no point having all our bikes lying on the sides due to gale force winds and no one there to rant at (for same reasons)

Represent!


Road trip StoneY?

[bogan]

Good luck tomorro twam Horo

Bloody welly weather has canned our event, no point having all our bikes lying on the sides due to gale force winds and no one there to rant at (for same reasons)

Represent!

yeh may need some luck!, weather forecast here seems to be worse every time I check it, so Ill stop checking it :whistle:

[Beemer]

i get where you are coming from, but this time its not about bikers, its about educating the public that this affects them as well. This close to xmas it is also a great opportunity. Next year the average citizen will have paid an extra (200 or over i think?) to the government in unessesary levies, xmas is one time where money is tight, so people may be more receptive to such a message. And with many family gatherings and time off etc hopefuly people will research whats going on, and discus with others, to get the message out there.

The trouble is, I get where you are coming from too - but I still disagree with this type of protest action even if it's *only* taking up one side of the road.

We own six bikes and three cars, my husband works for an employer and I'm self-employed, so I am well aware that everything we do will incur extra ACC levies. I'd be just as pissed off if a car club did the same thing, parking a pile of hot rods in the same place. Or if a group of self-employed people marched up the centre of the road, disrupting traffic. I guess what I'm saying is that something like the bikoi was kick-ass (apologies in advance to Hitcher, kick-arse doesn't quite have the same ring to it) and really brought the message home - but taking up parks at one of the busiest times of the year isn't going to win you many friends. I think you'd find the same response if you did it at your local supermarket on a weekend too - but that could be classed as private property (some are) and you could be likely to be told to piss off.

Good luck to you if you think this is the right way to go about it, but I will be very interested to see what kind of response you get from the general public tomorrow. No doubt the Standard will run something on it so you'll get publicity either way.

[Pegasus]

Hard to say John, I should be able to get a print run done at work this morn,
Will get them to you in morn :)


yip
sounds good, will run off some at massey as well

I got some printed off today also.

[Pegasus]

Well done to all those who turned up. I had no negative feed back at all (unless you want to count the guy who wanted to debate the Treaty of Waitangi). I think we all did ourselves proud, and got the message out there to Joe Public that it is not just us that is affected.

:niceone:

[Leviticus]

Big up yourselves to all those who went. Sorry I couldn't make it as planned, but bike is in bits a moment.

Well done

[bogan]

was a pretty succesful day, no xmas agro, majority were prepared to listen (or pretended to do so!), 110 signatures gathered, 250 + however many sandra bought over flyers handed out :2thumbsup

[ynot slow]

Well done to all those who turned up. I had no negative feed back at all (unless you want to count the guy who wanted to debate the Treaty of Waitangi).
:niceone:

Yeah friggin born again natives,worse than christians.Be good if the wank listened.

[Pegasus]

was a pretty succesful day, no xmas agro, majority were prepared to listen (or pretended to do so!), 110 signatures gathered, 250 + however many sandra bought over flyers handed out :2thumbsup

Not bad for the 14 or 15 of us that turned up. :2thumbsup

Edit: Sorry, Not meant as a dig at those who didn't, or had to work etc. Just meant that a lot was achieved by a few.

[cowboyz]

shame I had to run off to work... survived the day though, new day tomorrow

[chanceyy]

Well done to all those who turned up. I had no negative feed back at all (unless you want to count the guy who wanted to debate the Treaty of Waitangi). I think we all did ourselves proud, and got the message out there to Joe Public that it is not just us that is affected.

:niceone:

Awesome work guys, glad the weather held off for you .. be good to have the feedback at the next meeting with wot worked & wot didn't :clap:
ps at least my freezer is now looking healthy :blip:


was a pretty succesful day, no xmas agro, majority were prepared to listen (or pretended to do so!), 110 signatures gathered, 250 + however many sandra bought over flyers handed out :2thumbsup

hundy or so flyers so thats excellent .. bardy well done :yes:

[Little Smurf]

Well done to all those who turned up. I had no negative feed back at all (unless you want to count the guy who wanted to debate the Treaty of Waitangi). I think we all did ourselves proud, and got the message out there to Joe Public that it is not just us that is affected.

:niceone:

Yeah it was all pretty positive stuff had people lining up to sign which was fantastic.


was a pretty succesful day, no xmas agro, majority were prepared to listen (or pretended to do so!), 110 signatures gathered, 250 + however many sandra bought over flyers handed out :2thumbsup

That's great and you are right even tho it was Xmas people were feeling pretty good no one told us that we shouldn't be there and the support that we recieived was great.


Yeah friggin born again natives,worse than christians.Be good if the wank listened.

aha tosser :lol: anyhoo you always get one :yes:

All n all a mighty fine morning the response from the public was fantastic, I guess it was the way I was smiling :lol:

[Meanie]

Well done everyone. My appologies for not attending, I was coming but had to sort work stuff out that was urgent. Sounds like it was all worth while :2thumbsup

[kevie]

I hear it was a good day, and well recieved by the public :)

Sorry I wasnt there... end up sitting in A&E for the morning with a hip injury.

[sammcj]

updated the flyer, probably add some more websites to it if anyone knows any good ones that aren't too biker oriented.

Any idea of numbers for these things? I can probably do about 50 (black and whites) here....

nice :ride:
any chance of the source photoshop / whatever file?

[bogan]

nice :ride:
any chance of the source photoshop / whatever file?

nah its too big to upload

[86GSXR]

Sounds like a good outcome. Apologies for absence but we were engaging in fowl activities.

[Meanie]

Sounds like a good outcome. Apologies for absence but we were engaging in fowl activities.

You blardy chicken :rofl:

[ynot slow]

Sounds like a good outcome. Apologies for absence but we were engaging in fowl activities.

A change from sheepish activities.

[86GSXR]

You blardy chicken :rofl:


A change from sheepish activities.

Cluck :moon:

Good to hear that the bikes were ruling the roost yesterday :wari:

[ItsTheHamma]

Hey Tracy

seems like it got hardly noticed at all....100 flyers is fairly unimpressive

At least you knew I wasn't gonna turn up in advance for reasons stated previously. I still admire your effort though. Shoulda just taken your bike for a ride like I did...was farkin windy

[chanceyy]

Hey Tracy

seems like it got hardly noticed at all....100 flyers is fairly unimpressive

At least you knew I wasn't gonna turn up in advance for reasons stated previously. I still admire your effort though. Shoulda just taken your bike for a ride like I did...was farkin windy

hmm think you will find that is 100 + 240 odd which makes 340 odd .. then 115 signatures for the petition and only one detractor .. so from this side of the coin sucessful for sure, at least 3-400 odd ppl realise this is now gonna affect them as well

[ItsTheHamma]

hmm think you will find that is 100 + 240 odd which makes 340 odd .. then 115 signatures for the petition and only one detractor .. so from this side of the coin sucessful for sure, at least 3-400 odd ppl realise this is now gonna affect them as well

OK sorry I couldn't be there. Bike needs rego so couldn't really risk it being parked up. I didn't really agree our cause would be helped by dispupting Xmas shopping etc, but seems like a successful day had by the Palmy crew, so big ups to all who made the effort

[bogan]

hmm think you will find that is 100 + 240 odd which makes 340 odd .. then 115 signatures for the petition and only one detractor .. so from this side of the coin sucessful for sure, at least 3-400 odd ppl realise this is now gonna affect them as well

exactly, and word of mouth should get heaps more people edumacated. When I asked people if they were aware of the ACC swindle, many said oh yes, but I'm not a biker so it doesnt affect me :slap: well now they know it does!

Also there should be a wee writeup going in the manawatu standard 2moro, hoping it'll be written in a way to spread the word even more.

[chanceyy]

exactly, and word of mouth should get heaps more people edumacated. When I asked people if they were aware of the ACC swindle, many said oh yes, but I'm not a biker so it doesnt affect me :slap: well now they know it does!

Also there should be a wee writeup going in the manawatu standard 2moro, hoping it'll be written in a way to spread the word even more.

yeah and phase 3 will start in the new yr :clap: definitely time to get the general public more aware .. the oldies are already clued up now its time for general population to be clued up before the next onslaught to parliment

[Pegasus]

Hey Tracy

seems like it got hardly noticed at all....100 flyers is fairly unimpressive

At least you knew I wasn't gonna turn up in advance for reasons stated previously. I still admire your effort though. Shoulda just taken your bike for a ride like I did...was farkin windy

Mark
If you want to try and get smart, how bout trying it in person tomorrow. You might want to make sure there are witnesses present though.

[ItsTheHamma]

Mark
If you want to try and get smart, how bout trying it in person tomorrow. You might want to make sure there are witnesses present though.

uhh....not tryin to get smart at all. I thought I was paying you a compliment

[Pegasus]

Hey Tracy

seems like it got hardly noticed at all....100 flyers is fairly unimpressive

At least you knew I wasn't gonna turn up in advance for reasons stated previously. I still admire your effort though. Shoulda just taken your bike for a ride like I did...was farkin windy


uhh....not tryin to get smart at all. I thought I was paying you a compliment

yeah right.

[Owl]

Write-up in Monday's Evening Standard. Small, but at least it's something:yes:

"They roared in on their bikes on Saturday":laugh:

[bogan]

Write-up in Monday's Evening Standard. Small, but at least it's something:yes:

"They roared in on their bikes on Saturday":laugh:

hmmmm, not bad, would have been better had they mentioned the worker levy increases

[Pegasus]

hmmmm, not bad, would have been better had they mentioned the worker levy increases

Yeah but what a bloody good looking bike. How could the public not love us now. :laugh:

[banditrider]

Yeah but what a bloody good looking bike. How could the public not love us now. :laugh:

Damn, saw your post before the one with the pic. Naturally thought it was the Honda you were talking about...

[Pegasus]

Damn, saw your post before the one with the pic. Naturally thought it was the Honda you were talking about...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Headbanger]

Was an interesting day, even the limited amount of bikes looked quite impressive until that twat parked his 4x4 in amongst them all.

[Owl]

Was an interesting day, even the limited amount of bikes looked quite impressive until that twat parked his 4x4 in amongst them all.

That would be "Mr Talkbutdon'tliketolisten".:laugh:

Good to meet you and see your new ride. Cheers for making the effort from Wangavegas. Oh and love the new sig:lol:

[gazmascelle]

Proud supporter of Bike Thief Death..

that's gold :2thumbsup

[bogan]

New Flyer for Febs protest

[danielle]

Is there plenty of palmy people going to this protest?

[chanceyy]

Is there plenty of palmy people going to this protest?

there will be a few heading down Danielle, your more than welcome to come :sunny: the more the merrier

[Elysium]

Not sure if I can go as I'm waiting for this infection in my right hand to heal. Can't ride my bike nor even put on gloves at the moment.

[danielle]

I'm waiting too c if my boss is going to go cuz then I'll jump on the bk of his bike, cuz I dnt really feel cnfident enuf just yet making the whole ride by myself, endurance, skill etc!

[bogan]

Is there plenty of palmy people going to this protest?

Ill be going down, my flyer says leaving square at 830 so will prolly pass through there bout that time on my way to levin, though I havent heard of anyone else going from palmy...

[DJ]

Not me this time unfortunately. Totally snowed under with work, and got holidays booked next week, so getting a day off would be a big ask... :(

[chanceyy]

Ill be going down, my flyer says leaving square at 830 so will prolly pass through there bout that time on my way to levin, though I havent heard of anyone else going from palmy...

I know there are several ppl coming down from palmy so may be a wee group from the square. One of the Hog riders is stopping at my gate to pick me up :clap:

[Pegasus]

My Thanks to all of you heading down. My heart & sole will be with you. Unfortunately my Body and Mind are required at work.

[Meanie]

Unfortunatly i wont make this one either