Cagiva Canyon or?

[drbandit]

A good friend of mine is thinking about buying one of these or similar. If he can find out the specs, reliability etc. Especially motors on different years? etc.
He has had 2x BMW Dakars... wants to go to a lighter / easier bike for adventure?/metal road riding but with a good road capability.(no porika track stuff.)
All info appreciated as if he doesnt buy a bike he will go the campervan way...

[dino3310]

96 - 99 XR650L. light, fast, electric start.:done:

or a cagiva canyon.
KLE maybe.

[Spuds1234]

Parts seem to be a bit hit or miss for Cagiva.

Ive waited over 20 weeks for a set of handle bars. Got a clutch cable overnight though.

[ducatijim]

Wot about a BMW dakar? Doesn't that tick all those boxes?:Oops:

[Transalper]

Sounds to me like he's just swapping same for same.

[ducatijim]

Sounds to me like he's just swapping same for same.

Did I say that.............................................. .......:eek5:

[drbandit]

Wot about a BMW dakar? Doesn't that tick all those boxes?:Oops:
Now I know you skim read...

[Transalper]

Did I say that.............................................. .......:eek5:
Yes you did kind of say that (i thought it was on purpose), but it also looks to me that the Cagivas and the Dakar are basically the same anyway, not different enough to bother trading one for the other. Noted that we haven't been told what size engine the Cagiva Canyon is of interest has, there are several options that I can see.

[drbandit]

Yes you did kind of say that (i thought it was on purpose), but it also looks to me that the Cagivas and the Dakar are basically the same anyway, not different enough to bother trading one for the other. Noted that we haven't been told what size engine the Cagiva Canyon is of interest has, there are several options that I can see.
dakar as new sold $13000? Cagiva 2008 $6000? You can afford to drop a few times.. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-248998594.htm
500cc
How much is a new one???

[Frodo]

I considered getting a Canyon when I got back into bikes about 3 years ago. Must admit that the main attraction was price. But it looked good and seemed to tick most boxes.

But after a bit of research, I decided against it. The main issue was the engine. There's quite a bit of misinformation about the engine, with some saying it is based on the DR650, others on the Rotax. That would be good news if true, but it is a Cagiva motor that has its origins in the 1980s. There seem to be quite a few issues with the motor (including starter clutch). Most bikes have some issues, but this seemed to have more than normal and riders even in the UK struggled with parts. The motor is down on power (33hp) and you'd need to shift the oil cooler which is placed low in front of the engine like some road bikes. I read a comprehensive review which compared the Canyon with an F650 (Funduro) and KLE500. The F650 came well ahead, then the Canyon, with the KLE coming last. I bought a Funduro at the time and didn't regret it - a much better bike for a road-oriented dual purpose.

But it is a good looker and Kiwi Rider's Stretch loved it.

Cheers

PS There was an earlier thread on the Canyon: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=53748

[CRM]

The Navigators look pretty cool - 1000cc Suzuki TL1000 Vtwin. Should be okay for engine parts at least. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=250818471
Anybody used one?

[ducatijim]

Yes you did kind of say that (i thought it was on purpose), but it also looks to me that the Cagivas and the Dakar are basically the same anyway, not different enough to bother trading one for the other. Noted that we haven't been told what size engine the Cagiva Canyon is of interest has, there are several options that I can see.

Ok, you got me!:Oops:

I did think that Cag had a Rotax motor thou.....

Cost of bike don't decide if/when/where one can drop it. This is a piss poor reason to seek out a bike in my opinion...go but a chinese pit bike if value is an issue.
If however, Richard wants to use the bike for things other than dropping, like riding/touring/bit of gravel, then his Bm Dakar would have fitted his needs well.

Could have sold him a good value/well experienced Dr if he wants to keep the pingers down and it was WELL suited to dropping, having done so too many times to count!

[chasio]

Dunno what year Dakars he had, but I think they were about 177kg dry? The Freewind is about 160kg dry (IIRC), road biased, tours well two up, good basics from the DR650 but with twin carbs and bigger valves for more oomph.

Cheap as chips one here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-251153403.htm). If your mate is somewhere near it, it might be worth a look.

19" front, but some enterprising folks have fitted a 21" front off the DR for more interesting excursions.

The XT also sprang to mind but may not meet the criteria.

[drbandit]

Ok, you got me!:Oops:

I did think that Cag had a Rotax motor thou.....

Cost of bike don't decide if/when/where one can drop it. This is a piss poor reason to seek out a bike in my opinion...go but a chinese pit bike if value is an issue.
If however, Richard wants to use the bike for things other than dropping, like riding/touring/bit of gravel, then his Bm Dakar would have fitted his needs well.

Could have sold him a good value/well experienced Dr if he wants to keep the pingers down and it was WELL suited to dropping, having done so too many times to count!
Hes the one that "doesnt want" a Dakar anymore not me... I do think he was a bit disappointed when his new one was no different tho his 70000km one!!!

PS Need chat on accommodation for Picton on way back down south.

[drbandit]

Dunno what year Dakars he had, but I think they were about 177kg dry? The Freewind is about 160kg dry (IIRC), road biased, tours well two up, good basics from the DR650 but with twin carbs and bigger valves for more oomph.

Cheap as chips one here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-251153403.htm). If your mate is somewhere near it, it might be worth a look.

19" front, but some enterprising folks have fitted a 21" front off the DR for more interesting excursions.

The XT also sprang to mind but may not meet the criteria.
Thanks foe that.. have passed it on.

[ducatijim]

I do think he was a bit disappointed when his new one was no different tho his 70000km one!!!

PS Need chat on accommodation for Picton on way back down south.

I guess that goes to show that the 70000k one was ok after all?

At the end of the day there are only so many options for duel riding and I for 1 will argue the suitability of any 1 bike( bar ktm950 according to Oscar) for the whole plethora of sinarios to be found duel riding.
Is it road ability/gravel or single track that is the focus of Richards attention? I personally think the old DR comes close to all 3, some say the KLR is too( but hugely heavy in comp with DR), ktm 640a no doubt. From here the only place to go is bigger( read-reduce single track suitability) or smaller( reduce road suitability). We have all mulled over these options many times i bet in our selection process, 1 thing stands above the rest is that cheap is usually exactly that....cheap.:crybaby:
A $13k Bm Dakar would have been up there with the dr/klr, dare I suggest? 640a?
Will ring u Ross.

Jamie.:scooter:

[chasio]

What Ducatijim said ^_^

Forgot to add (to what I said), there was a very nice looking one in BOP recently on TradeMe. Classified has expired but it may still be around as it had been sticking a bit. It was listed here (http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/View/Used/SUZUKI-XF650-FREEWIND-2003/29251.aspx?sid=115F17092198&Ntt=freewind&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&N=0&Ntk=All) a while ago.

This might also be handy. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=108297&page=1)

[Moki]

Saw a nice Canyon 500 for sale at ANZA over the weekend in Palmy. Silver, low kms.

[Waihou Thumper]

What Ducatijim said ^_^

Forgot to add (to what I said), there was a very nice looking one in BOP recently on TradeMe. Classified has expired but it may still be around as it had been sticking a bit. It was listed here (http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/View/Used/SUZUKI-XF650-FREEWIND-2003/29251.aspx?sid=115F17092198&Ntt=freewind&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&N=0&Ntk=All) a while ago.

This might also be handy. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=108297&page=1)

The Freewinds seem to be good on the roads but not really an adventure bike? More of a road bike suitable for a bit of maybe occasional gravel, slowly...
Handle well on tar, but not good for anything more...I dunno, prove me wrong...There is a cheapie on Trade Me, $4000..so could be a good bargain. Weird speedometer though....:)

[chasio]

Struan and Roger get about alright on more interesting territory I believe, including the Dusty Butt for the former (on stock 19" wheel) IIRC. I'd probably just fall off but that's the rider, not the bike.

Not what I'd buy with an unlimited budget (although if I had a big garage I'd keep it), but they can be good value if funds are limited and it does what is required. It is lighter than a Dakar, but just one option among many :)

[XF650]

If the guy is happy with a 19" front and is only riding seal & gravel (not knarly stuff) then I agree - either a Canyon, XF650 or F650 could do the job. Ideally he should ride each to find out which suites him best, rider ability being an important consideration.
However I'm not the best Freewind rider to quote - I ride slow yet still fell off on the Porika & now converting the front to 21" !!

[drbandit]

If the guy is happy with a 19" front and is only riding seal & gravel (not knarly stuff) then I agree - either a Canyon, XF650 or F650 could do the job. Ideally he should ride each to find out which suites him best, rider ability being an important consideration.
However I'm not the best Freewind rider to quote - I ride slow yet still fell off on the Porika & now converting the front to 21" !!
Appreciate all the comments / info. It is what I wanted from forum. Stuff for him to sift through and keep riding... Next step is the test rides etc.. great stuff.
Will post updates ... but he is old and it might take time.....

[drbandit]

I guess that goes to show that the 70000k one was ok after all?

At the end of the day there are only so many options for duel riding and I for 1 will argue the suitability of any 1 bike( bar ktm950 according to Oscar) for the whole plethora of sinarios to be found duel riding.
Is it road ability/gravel or single track that is the focus of Richards attention? I personally think the old DR comes close to all 3, some say the KLR is too( but hugely heavy in comp with DR), ktm 640a no doubt. From here the only place to go is bigger( read-reduce single track suitability) or smaller( reduce road suitability). We have all mulled over these options many times i bet in our selection process, 1 thing stands above the rest is that cheap is usually exactly that....cheap.:crybaby:
A $13k Bm Dakar would have been up there with the dr/klr, dare I suggest? 640a?
Will ring u Ross.

Jamie.:scooter:
You hit the nail on the head...
But you also have brand awareness... Some people would not be seen riding a DR or Klr...

[Oscar]

At the end of the day there are only so many options for duel riding and I for 1 will argue the suitability of any 1 bike( bar ktm950 according to Oscar) for the whole plethora of sinarios to be found duel riding.


I'm pleased that my opinions are so dear to you:bleh:


Personally I don't think you can go past the Canyon value for road oriented stuff, the value of the Dr650 for more dirt oriented or a KTM LC4e if you've got the money.

[Lambo]

I'm looking at an upgrade early next year and depending on the day depends on what I'm looking for as well as growing. At this stage my list is long with each having pros and cons.

The grand list;

Cagiva Canyon
BMW 650GS
KTM 640 Adventure
DR650
KLR650
XTZ660
XT660R

What is the best way to choose!!!!

[JATZ]

I'm looking at an upgrade early next year and depending on the day depends on what I'm looking for as well as growing. At this stage my list is long with each having pros and cons.

The grand list;

Cagiva Canyon
BMW 650GS
KTM 640 Adventure
DR650
KLR650
XTZ660
XT660R

What is the best way to choose!!!!

Ride them ALL and make up your own mind what suits YOU best IMHO

[tri boy]

96 - 99 XR650L. light, fast, electric start.:done:



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