To those willing to deliberately screw the BIKEOI plan

[StoneY]

I just goyt a headsup from a concerned biker
Michael Dobson, has been sending this e-mail round

Here is his e-mail, second post id my official response, forwarded to BIKEOI security and also to our friendly Police insdpector

Read this, then my reply in post no2

Hello fellow Motorcyclists



I have heard talk that the organisers of the ACC protest ride to Parliament

are looking to park some or all of the bikes at the Westpac Stadium.



Not so long ago a ride to Parliament, went to Parliament.

Last time I checked there was no law against me taking my bike there on the 17th of November.



The truckies drove their convoy through The Terrace tunnel and right through the middle of town.

The farmers even drove a tractor up the steps of Parliament !!!



To slip quietly off the motorway into the stadium and then WALK to Parliament is shameful.

Unless they catch it on the TV news, most of Wellington won't even know we were there.



Tell your friends by e-mail & pass the word on the ride that this ride is going to Parliament.

Don't let someone in a hi-viz vest tell you otherwise.



Are we (wo)men or (wo)mice ???



Michael Dobson



PS --- I read that if your bike leaks oil & you are parking at the stadium

then you are requested to bring some cardboard to catch the drips.

What part of "it's not leaking, it's just marking its territory" don't they understand.

MD[/I]

Michael is pretty well known as a top mech at a certain ex bmw now triumph dealership in town

[SARGE]

oooo.. calling KB Militant Arm members .. the bounty extends to the wankers in the hi-vis vest waving you into the stadium...

[325rocket]

some people have put a lot of effort into this so it goes off with out us looking like a bunch of fuckwits.

if you are willing to screw up the event by making a tosser of yourself you are obviously happy to screw over your fellow bikers. thanks, nice one your a super star.
can you please do this another day and organise your own ride.

[Laxi]

what a dickhead! ya dont kick the door in till you've tried the handle, there will be time for pissing people off later, lets try getting public support 1st! as has been said in other threads if you dont like the way this protest is going to be, then dont fucking turn up!

[StoneY]

Mr Dobson

The reason "WE" have been sent to the stadium, is because it is impossible to park as many bikes as we will be bringing to Parliament

The reserved parks at the front of Parliament have been reserved for:

1: Non BIKEOI convoy riders, (wildcards) people who are already in the city

2: The disabled riders who have requested special access on grounds that 150 meters is difficult for them to walk in amongst a huge crowd

3: Organizers and Marshals who have selflessly sacrificed riding in the convoys to ensure that all bikers in NZ get a chance to attend and support

The principles of our BIKEOI is to present a peaceful united front to the PUBLIC of our CAPITAL CITY and to show the public we are intelligent, reasonable contributors to society

Conditional access to Parliament

On the 31st the parking of a mere 500 machines near Parliament nearly closed the city down, and this is a mid week day not a weekend so many strict conditions were passed on our rally attendance

The logistics of the huge number of bikes we are bringing can only be safely managed with Police and NZTA support and right now we have that support on one condition, that BOTH convoys ride to the Stadium for a mass, safe, and non intrusive demonstration of numbers
It is only a short walk to Parliament and over 20 front line police officers have been tasked with assisting our entry and exit of this very busy portion of our city, and the security of this rally

Do as you will mr Dobson, but expect to reap the consequences of this bitter seed your sowing, because over 5000 other bikers are not in the mood to waste the efforts we have gone to to have OUR say

[TOTO]

How many bikes does the stadium hold ?

Dow you know how many bikes will turn up ?

Do you honestly believe that every single biker in NZ that comes to the protest has read what you have said on the internet ?

Do you believe that everyone actually will do what you say they should do ?

Be realistic Stoney

[_STAIN_]

If on the 17th someone brings me michael dobsons bike keys I will pay them $50 and return them to him on the 18th.

It is OK to pluck them from his ignition while bike is moving.

[StoneY]

With 1100 in Tauranga on the weekend, this national event is going to be huge

The Stadium can hold shitloads of bikes, there's almost 2 square kms of pavement allocated to us

As stated in the plan, wildcards, and the disabled

Inflammatory bs like that e-mail is just counterproductive to the max
Either we show up as a united peaceful group, or we may as well not bother

Shit like this idiot is dribbling is exactly what Nick Smith and his cronies WANT from us
While every biker in NZ aint going to read this post, enough of them will to pass the word

[pete376403]

Bikoi ends with 6000+ BIKERS at parliament - the bikes will be parked at the stadium.

Molesworth and the nearby streets are just too narrow to park that many bikes. Even the 500 odd bikes that were there a couple of weeks ago clogged things pretty much - and that was a Saturday. Molesworth St provides access to the motorway from downtown Wellington. Blocking that and pissing off motorists is not in our interests right now.

[BMWST?]

If on the 17th someone brings me michael dobsons bike keys I will pay them $50 and return them to him on the 18th.

It is OK to pluck them from his ignition while bike is moving.

just the thing to do in a convoy of bikes.....

[Ozzie]

Is there a second chance?

I hear what everyone is saying, and to an extent agree, however, I believe this is a one shot event.

Once before has this many bikers gone to paliament, 20 or 30 years ago, what did they do? Did it make a differnce?

On one hand, parking in the stadium is doing precisely what ACC is trying for, all you hard arsed bikers have got something to say? OK, just park over here and give me $500 a year, and say your piece.

On the other hand, keep the public on side, I get it!

Either way, people are expecting over 6000 bikes, you'd be lucky if there are 600 KBers reading these threads, that leaves 5,400 bikers showing up that think they're going to parliament, not a stadium, and they don't read "acc levy campain".

Good luck, I honestly wish I could go, and if I could, I'd be going to parliament.

Sorry, I understand and appreciate all the effort going into this, but not everyone of these 6,000 bikers has the same view about anything, except that we are being shafted, and we need to do something about it.

I am one of them.

:done:

[Pedrostt500]

How many bikes does the stadium hold ?

Dow you know how many bikes will turn up ?

Do you honestly believe that every single biker in NZ that comes to the protest has read what you have said on the internet ?

Do you believe that everyone actually will do what you say they should do ?

Be realistic Stoney

No body can force an individual against their will, But there are many of us who are trying to make this happen, we want this to work as effortly as possible, for both the bikers atending and the general public that wish to go about their normal busness.
We are not talking numbers in the few hundred, but numbers in the thousands, this will be one of the largest protests in the last few decades, if not setting a new record for numbers.
It will take the Actions of one individual to get the Medias atention by doing some thing STUPID, that will have us all Tared with the same brush, and the Media will probably get their Pin up for MUPPET MONTHLY, but do you wish that person to be You.
As there is more riding on this than just higher ACC Levies, there is also the whole of the Motor Cycle Industry, that is also under attack, from this.
Lets try the peaceful approach first, and not be the Rebels with out a clue.

[StoneY]

The truckies drove their convoy through The Terrace tunnel and right through the middle of town.

The farmers even drove a tractor up the steps of Parliament !!!



Truckies came down Aotea, and along Lambton Quay, and blocked Molesworth street, they never took the Tce Tunnel
They were vilified for it, I know I was THERE! I used to drive for JD Lyons, and on the day went for a ride with an old buddy, and hopped off near my office at the corner of Lambton and Bowen
The whole town was backed up till mid day and no one felt kindly to them whatsoever for a long time, and they failed in achieving their objective

The 'farmer' was a National MP and its exactly that sort of shit that means we cant go onto the Parliament grounds, and thats a sad fact

I cant 'make' anyone do anything, but if the protest looks like its getting 'unruly' and the Parliamentary security or Police say 'close the gates' it wastes a LOT of peoples time, energy and money, especially the travelers

For once, think of everyone, not your own fucking ego TOTO, and mr Dobson

[TOTO]

As there is more riding on this than just higher ACC Levies, there is also the whole of the Motor Cycle Industry, that is also under attack, from this.
Lets try the peaceful approach first, and not be the Rebels with out a clue.

I aint against you man, just having a realistic look round.

so if this doesn't work, then we take militant action, right ?

http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/3976.jpg

[StoneY]

I aint against you man, just having a realistic look round.

so if this doesn't work, then we take militant action, right ?

http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/3976.jpg

After the BIKEOI, do as ya please mate, but this is a peaceful event with a lot, I mean a LOT of official support and planning
Block all the lanes your brave enough too on the 18th, do whatever ya like after the BIKEOI
Dont screw it up for all the riders coming from so far away, we get ONE shot to show our fellow Kiwi's we aint all aggro idiots with oversize goatie beards on our boss's website

Oh yeah, btw, that (his employer) happens to be one of our 'sponsors' who has FINANCIALLY contributed to our stadium fund......

Funny how small the world is

[SARGE]

I aint against you man, just having a realistic look round.

so if this doesn't work, then we take militant action, right ?

http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/3976.jpg




thats why you have me

[Bald Eagle]

what a dickhead! ya dont kick the door in till you've tried the handle, there will be time for pissing people off later, lets try getting public support 1st! as has been said in other threads if you dont like the way this protest is going to be, then dont fucking turn up!


I aint against you man, just having a realistic look round.

so if this doesn't work, then we take militant action, right ?

http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/3976.jpg

The most important thing for everyone to do is "check your egos at the door" we get one chance to do this in a way that keeps Joe and Joette public on side and send a proper structured message to Parliament.

Then if that doesn't work we regroup and reevaluate our options.

[Big Dave]

Mr Dobson I assume is a citizen who can act as he sees fit.
He can deal with the Police too. As he'll be in the minority - good luck with that.

Sarge - the blokes with the BRONZ gear represent the best chance of a positive outcome. Support them.

[retro asian]

Oh yeah, btw, that (his employer) happens to be one of our 'sponsors' who has FINANCIALLY contributed to our stadium fund......

Funny how small the world is


Maybe give him a break then, yes he did something silly... but let's forgive, forget, move on and focus towards the task at hand.

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[Insanity_rules]

oooo.. calling KB Militant Arm members .. the bounty extends to the wankers in the hi-vis vest waving you into the stadium...

Allow me to introduce myself, I'm one of those wankers. Anyone trys it and they'll get a free trip to the orthodontist.

[SARGE]

I'll be the one in the Black and red leather jacket and Hi-vis. Try it!

i'll be the one riding up the stairs :woohoo:

[Insanity_rules]

i'll be the one riding up the stairs :woohoo:

ROFLMAO! :killingme FYI I edited my post just as you were quoting me. Long and millitant night, maybe I should join the KB militia?

[Ixion]

Simple realities here.

firstly, if people want to "ride to Parliament" but don't want to park in the stadium , what is it they think they are actually going to DO.

Reality: The parking in Molesworth St will fill fast , It will hold maybe 500 bikes MAX and less now that they have toughened up on parking on the Cenotaph . Take off disabled space, and marshalls, and you'll have to get there REAL early to get a place even as a wild goose.

Reality: Parking IN parliament grounds itself is not and never has been, an option. Those days are gone. There will be police and guards and such. And some of them WILL be carrying guns. Serious. Trying to force a way in will be a quick entry to a whole world of pain.

So, if you don't want to park in the stadium , and you don't get there early enough to grab a park in Molesworth St, what are you actually going to DO on your "ride to parliament" ? Ride round a bit then ride home without stopping? Park somewhere else and have an even longer walk.

[SARGE]

Allow me to introduce myself, I'm one of those wankers. Anyone trys it and they'll get a free trip to the orthodontist.

so lemme get this straight ..

theres gonna be a 10 hour ride non stop to Parliament to get there and park 5 miles away instead of ramming the message down the leaders throat with 6000 pissed off bikers at their front door?...

sorry man .. i'll see if i can get a refund on the pitchfork and torch i just bought ..

[SARGE]

just as well i cant make it in person then... i'll be up here ... all alone on some deserted mountain road.. listening to the sound of 1400+cc's at redline echoing off the hills..



all by myself :woohoo:

[Insanity_rules]

so lemme get this straight ..

theres gonna be a 10 hour ride non stop to Parliament to get there and park 5 miles away instead of ramming the message down the leaders throat with 6000 pissed off bikers at their front door?...

sorry man .. i'll see if i can get a refund on the pitchfork and torch i just bought ..

No no you can still bring it. There'll still be 6000 pissed off bikers at the front doors. In fact if you post a photo complete with torch and pitchfork at parliament I'll make it worth your while.

[Big Dave]

so lemme get this straight ..


Bull -> Horns.

[StoneY]

so lemme get this straight ..

theres gonna be a 10 hour ride non stop to Parliament to get there and park 5 miles away instead of ramming the message down the leaders throat with 6000 pissed off bikers at their front door?...

sorry man .. i'll see if i can get a refund on the pitchfork and torch i just bought ..

No, your parking 150 Meters from the big house.

500 Bikes shut down a major motorway feed for the north end of the city, so we were asked, and very nicely, by Council, and Police to use the Fran Wilde Walkway for our 'mass' parking

Theres room for 200 or so bikes at Parliament, its a MID week business day with Busses flowing past the only way into that street

Its a reasonable request, and a historical opportunity to hold the BIGGEST rally ever at Parliament, as well as park the MOST bikes ever in NZ at one place

We will be seen, we will definitely be heard, and we have it all officially sanctioned

If we blow this, we stand to lose all credibility, and be labeled forever 'leather clad neanderthal's'

Is a SHORT walk from your Bike (guarded by our Wellington Volunteers) too much to ask???

The parking we DO get at the big house is open to all, but those in the large groups forming in the two main suburban locations are expected to go to the Stadium, where we have a collection for the Free Ambulance Service

And as we have inner city riders and disabled riders coming, I think it only fair they get to utilize the small area there, creating enough chrome and noise to be counted

TV will show the massive bike park at Stadium, the convoys, and our speeches

But if we dont show humility and restraint we give Nick and JK what they want, an angry rabble, with no respect to give, or be shown

Its not a huge ask to use the Stadium, in fact its a fucking blessing, or we would end up with riders walking fucking 5 ks alright, all the way from Courtenay Place, and one very HOSTILE city population who only just forgot the truckies of 2 years ago at last

[SARGE]

No no you can still bring it. There'll still be 6000 pissed off bikers at the front doors. In fact if you post a photo complete with torch and pitchfork at parliament I'll make it worth your while.

lemme think .. 6000 bikes in a large group.. hungry .. sore.. tired gotta piss



or ....


deserted roads in Dorkland's west coast and Franklin region with a full tank of Blue Voodoo rocket fuel


hope the weather's nice ....:done:

[SARGE]

No, your parking 150 Meters from the big house.


ok... i was under the impression the protest was gonna ride right into the chamber ..


NZ politics..i may never understand

[StoneY]

lemme think .. 6000 bikes in a large group.. hungry .. sore.. tired gotta piss


Which is why up at the Stadium where we have been granted the first EVER vehicular access to Fran Wilde Walkway there will be a big portable Toilet trailer, courtesy of Spiknspan Portable Bathrooms, flushing loos with running water for washing up

Thanks to:
Rovente IT Solutions
Motorad
TSS Red Baron
Wellington Motorcycles
Parrot n Jigger Bar n Cafe
Supplied at a very GENEROUS discount, arranged by one very kind KB member who is voluntarily cleaning said portable bathroom, which we are not even meeting running cost for

Thanks Spiknspan
Pity ya dont get to take a dump in it Sarge

[SARGE]

Pity ya dont get to take a dump in it Sarge

right now .. the poor bastard who has to clean it is thanking his god

[Insanity_rules]

Thanks to:
Rovente IT Solutions
Motorad
TSS Red Baron
Wellington Motorcycles
Parrot n Jigger Bar n Cafe
Supplied at a very GENEROUS discount, arranged by one very kind KB member who is voluntarily cleaning said portable bathroom, which we are not even meeting running cost for

Thanks Spiknspan
Pity ya dont get to take a dump in it Sarge

Yay Rovente IT solutions, I hear the Managing Director is an awesome bloke. Ducati rider too.

[Conquiztador]

I respect you guys who have managed to get this all sorted. Huge committment and lot of time spent. Well done. You do not deserve riders to make a mess out of it.

But we are talking about bikers here. As much as many on a bike is what I refer to as "commuters", there is also another section that ride because we love the riding and we are happy to be a fraction outside the norm.

The ones who ride for selfish reasons are individuals with their own view on life and many could not give a fuck if anyone agrees with them.

To then try to tell this section what they can and can't do is always going to be risky. There is no guarantee what the outcome will be.

Take me, I was not gonna participate in this BIKEOI thingy. I was just gonna pay the increase and mind my own business. "Less riders on the roads" I reasoned. "More space for me".

Then ACC started doing their propaganda drive and it pissed me off. So now I have done the HB Bronze one (a fizzer), will do the HB BIKEOI, and then the Welly ride. But I can not guarantee how I will feel re it all when I get there and what the outcome and my reaction will be.

Start telling me what I can and what I can't do and I will tell you to fuck off and most probably go to the pub.

[Trudes]

Sounds like the Toweys will be doing good out of all the "Rebels" who decide they're going to park wherever they like cause they're a big bad biker who thinks he owns the road and the footpaths.

[knuckles24]

All the best for the 17th, unfortunatley there are a few of us who won't be able to attend but will be watching with great anticipation, i cannot imagine what sort of nightmare it has been to organise this on such a large scale, i organised the one in christchurch and that was bad enough, you have to realise there will be a few renegade riders but that would be the case for a lot of events, so all i say is stick to your plan that you have worked out and good luck. :scooter: :woohoo:

[ajturbo]

Sounds like the Toweys will be doing good out of all the "Rebels" who decide they're going to park wherever they like cause they're a big bad biker who thinks he owns the road and the footpaths.
i think this is a very important thing to get across to people..

the towing Co's WILL BE THERE..!!!

you park in the wrong place (ie: illegally ) you

WILL BE TOWED!!

[StoneY]

I hear you Conquistador, and respect individuality but the whole reason to take the entire convoy into the stadium is:

Show community solidarity
SAFETY
Available space

Its far easier to walk 150m that try fine a park on a mid week day in the CBD, Parliament spaces do NEED to be reserved for the SI arrivals, disabled attendee's and some of our organizers carrying essential equipment to the gig

Its not THAT big an ask, and the Police will be managing that aspect anyway not vizi vest wearing KBers, so it will be the Police asking you to turn into the stadium NOT ME!!!

MY biggest concern is people like Mr Dobson, breaking away out of that MASS of riders, (Many the commuter set I belong to) may well cause a massive wipeout....
Anyone who DOES cause anyone else to crash is playing right into the hands of Nick Smith and on National TV at that


Oh yeah and aside from commuting, both my bikes have done 4k each in the last 2 months.....just coz someone commutes on thier bike, dont assume they only use it to get to work, I am a regular in many cafes all over the lower NI and my wife joins me for many thousands of k's of pure wind whistling bliss

[Hawkeye]

Unless a ride of this size is managed correctly, it has the capacity to cause carnage. It only takes one arshole and we could see huge numbers heading for hospitals which will just fuel the fire of ACC and the Politicians. It will not do the cause any good.

And believe me, the media will be hoping for something to happen. They WILL be looking for that one stupid twat to give them their opening clip for the national news.

This ride isn't just about the big bad biker. It's about EVERYONE that enjoys 2 wheels for fun or as a necessity for the commute. Be it on Sports bikes, cruisers, scooters or whatever. We are talking about parents, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters. Students, bricklayers, IT Professionals, etc etc. ie. Kiwis from all walks of life.

We are there to make a statement to the National party and ACC that there are enough people pissed off with this that they will lose the election if they continue. That we are not going to stand for it and just role over, stick our arses in the air and smile.

But that can be done peacfully in the first instance. Which is what this ride is all about. A peaceful protest.

So do us all a favour, and as other have already said, "ïf you can't leave your egos at home" - DON'T COME.

[Owl]

just as well i cant make it in person then... i'll be up here ... all alone on some deserted mountain road.. listening to the sound of 1400+cc's at redline echoing off the hills..



all by myself :woohoo:

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[Taz]

My Bronz "damn the levies" flyer that was handed out at the Ulysses gig says nothing about riding to a stadium, it says we are riding to parliment, to the steps no less. Now you're all telling me we are riding to a stadium? While i understand the reason I Feel a little ripped actually. Maybe half of us should just stay home and lessen the hassle for everyone?

[SixPackBack]

I just goyt a headsup from a concerned biker
Michael Dobson, has been sending this e-mail round

Here is his e-mail, second post id my official response, forwarded to BIKEOI security and also to our friendly Police insdpector

Read this, then my reply in post no2

Hello fellow Motorcyclists



I have heard talk that the organisers of the ACC protest ride to Parliament

are looking to park some or all of the bikes at the Westpac Stadium.



Not so long ago a ride to Parliament, went to Parliament.

Last time I checked there was no law against me taking my bike there on the 17th of November.



The truckies drove their convoy through The Terrace tunnel and right through the middle of town.

The farmers even drove a tractor up the steps of Parliament !!!



To slip quietly off the motorway into the stadium and then WALK to Parliament is shameful.

Unless they catch it on the TV news, most of Wellington won't even know we were there.



Tell your friends by e-mail & pass the word on the ride that this ride is going to Parliament.

Don't let someone in a hi-viz vest tell you otherwise.



Are we (wo)men or (wo)mice ???



Michael Dobson



PS --- I read that if your bike leaks oil & you are parking at the stadium

then you are requested to bring some cardboard to catch the drips.

What part of "it's not leaking, it's just marking its territory" don't they understand.

MD[/I]

Michael is pretty well known as a top mech at a certain ex bmw now triumph dealership in town

I agree with Michael. What the fuck are the police going to do if 6000 odd bikers had the balls to storm parliment grounds?

The protest is a little soft and the collective actions of bikers will be swept aside because of it.

[CookMySock]

the media will be hoping for something to happen. They WILL be looking for that one stupid twat to give them their opening clip for the national news.Look, you KNOW that IS GOING TO HAPPEN don't you?

The media WILL FIND something. Theres too many bikers and too many opportunities for them not find SOMETHING.

Just go, and keep a lid on your own crap, and DONT GET INVOLVED in any bad stuff you see or else it will escalate. Really it will be trivially easy to make something really bad happen with this many bikers with their feelings running high.

Well done, people. What a massive task. Kudos.

Steve

[Pixie]

With 1100 in Tauranga on the weekend, this national event is going to be huge

The Stadium can hold shitloads of bikes, there's almost 2 square kms of pavement allocated to us

As stated in the plan, wildcards, and the disabled

Inflammatory bs like that e-mail is just counterproductive to the max
Either we show up as a united peaceful group, or we may as well not bother

Shit like this idiot is dribbling is exactly what Nick Smith and his cronies WANT from us
While every biker in NZ aint going to read this post, enough of them will to pass the word
On the other hand,the more reasonable we are, the more likely they'll give us a $500 increase because they think we are average kiwi whimps,except on motorcycles

[Pixie]

There will be police and guards and such. And some of them WILL be carrying guns. Serious. Trying to force a way in will be a quick entry to a whole world of pain.



Any biker martyred by the Man,will be met in heaven by 40 leather clad virgins.
-Mullah Pixie

[NighthawkNZ]

There will be police and guards and such. And some of them WILL be carrying guns. Serious. Trying to force a way in will be a quick entry to a whole world of pain.

8 guards 12 rounds each... minuse a few across the bow... / 6000 bikers


exceptable loses....


oh sorry wrong game window... :innocent:

[StoneY]

My Bronz "damn the levies" flyer that was handed out at the Ulysses gig says nothing about riding to a stadium, it says we are riding to parliment, to the steps no less. Now you're all telling me we are riding to a stadium? While i understand the reason I Feel a little ripped actually. Maybe half of us should just stay home and lessen the hassle for everyone?

There is NO vehicular access to the steps of Parliament and never has been

That moron with a Tractor ensured that

If we want to have the right to go on Parliament grunds on the day revoked, by all means keep this infalmatory dribble up

If you feel you could organise a better systesm to cope with thousands of out of towners in one giant convoy step up and put your hand up

[davereid]

....ya dont kick the door in till you've tried the handle, there will be time for pissing people off later...

Exactly.

This is not an angry spontaneous outburst, this is merely a show of resistance, well organised and co-ordinated, and following the rules.

And anyone who thinks it won't be repeated is mistaken - we won't get parity with cars this round, its going to take a lot of well organised battling to get there.

ACC have done something great for bikers here. They could have just slung on another $50 a year, and got what they wanted quietly.

But they attempted to lift the levies in one great big hit, that has seen motorcyclists all come together with a common goal, ACC parity for all light vehicles.

We had limited time to organise this year, but by next year, we will have hundreds of accurate factual submissions, a better protest plan, and we will have had time to gather other effected groups, like camper van owners, and light truck drivers, as well as potentially effected groups like low fuel usage and low ANCAP rated vehicle owners, all of whom are mentioned for attention.

I have no doubt that there will be angry protests in future, if these levies are forced through.

But now is the time for us to stay peaceful and calm.

[Quasievil]

Hey Stoney, I reckon your doing a top Job mate, I got the email about the piss up at your place to..........thats some generous shit 7000 bikers at your house sounds awesome, mist be costing you a fortune but I will be there for sure.

if anyone needs the email circulating with the details drop me a pm, it wouldnt be right to put it up on a post eh:innocent:

[Hawkeye]

Look, you KNOW that IS GOING TO HAPPEN don't you?

The media WILL FIND something. Theres too many bikers and too many opportunities for them not find SOMETHING.

Just go, and keep a lid on your own crap, and DONT GET INVOLVED in any bad stuff you see or else it will escalate. Really it will be trivially easy to make something really bad happen with this many bikers with their feelings running high.

Well done, people. What a massive task. Kudos.

Steve

I agree Steve, there will always be arseholes in life. And the media will always find something and twist it to their own ends. Which is why we need to TRY and keep them to the minimum.

I'm a realist that knows there will be the few who will try and disrupt the masses. But on the large, the masses are law abiding citizens that want to get their message across peacefully. We are not going to see 5990 law abiding citizens become a 6000 strong Kangaroo court because 10 can't control themselves.

The police are the ones with the control. We are only trying to assist them.
And the police will shut us down if things get out of hand.
And at the first sign of trouble, we will see a mass exodus from the site of those law abiding citizens which plays right into the hands of National.

I am one of those 'volunteers' that want's to be up there on the stairs of parliament but am taking the unselfish approach of helping to organise so that so many '2 wheel riders' can make a peaceful protest. To that end, I am not going to be able to be part of the ride.

That is the sacrifice that the volunteers are making. We will be ones ensuring that everyones pride and joy is secure whilst they are at Parliament. We will be the ones that are helping to ensure that everyone gets there and back safely.

And a word of warning to those that think they can park anywhere. The tow companies will be on full alert and will tow instantly. And they will not give a damm how they handle your pride and joy.

[davereid]

The tow companies will be on full alert and will tow instantly. And they will not give a damm how they handle your pride and joy.

Hmm... regardless of my other views I have a particularly difficult one reconciling my pacifist nature with any bastard touching my bike...

[wingrider]

There are a heap of ordinary Joe Blogs who are now as pissed off with Smith, JK and ACC as we are. Our actions so far have bought to light other facets of "The Hidden Agenda".

There are many who will be there in "SUPPORT OF OUR CAUSE" because we have taken it from just being a protest about bike levies to a whole different dimension.

WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE ARE THEY GOING TO BE ON.

You have every right to be pissed off.
You have every right to ensure your voice is heard.
You may feel you have the right to invade parliment.

All of those that have agreed to participate and follow the guidelines have their rights as well.

They will be pissed off by your actions.
They will ensure their voice is heard.
It will then be their right to invade your property, kick the crap out of you and bust things up a bit.

5 or 6 militant bikers
5 or six THOUSAND PISSED OFF PEOPLE because of your stupidity.

Acceptable loss.

[Kiwi Graham]

Fukin ek guys;

This isn't a war its a protest ffs (at the moment)

Even 'real' wars start with protest and debate. Its only after this faze has failed that invasions and fighting starts.

Stoney and others are doing an awesome job of co-ordinating the 17th as a peaceful protest so dont fuck it up.

If this doesn't get the recognition it should and a re-think on the levy's then it will be time to think again.

You dont unlock doors with a rocket powered grenade (if you want to talk to who's on the other side) try finding the key first! (pun intended)

[Kennif]

That we are able to park on the concourse at the stadium is a victory for the Bikoi organisers. This is unheard of in the history of Westpac Stadium! Not only that but there is nowhere else where you could park so many bikes so close to Parliament. If you join the Bikoi, you can convoy down the motorway, park at the stadium and then walk the 150 metres or so to get inside Parliament grounds. There is no better option.

This event needs to be the friendly one. We may need to have more militant ones in future but this needs to be the one where we show the diverse face of motocycling to the sheeple.

So:

Park your egos at the front door
Smile and wave to all the nice people (especially kids and grandmothers)
Help the volunteers in hi-vis vests by doing what they ask you to do
Be pissed off but reasonable - it's not the people of Wellington that we are pissed off with.

[StoneY]

Hey Stoney, I reckon your doing a top Job mate, I got the email about the piss up at your place to..........thats some generous shit 7000 bikers at your house sounds awesome, mist be costing you a fortune but I will be there for sure.

if anyone needs the email circulating with the details drop me a pm, it wouldnt be right to put it up on a post eh:innocent:

Good thing im moving out that week!!!!

:D

[Conquiztador]

I hear you Conquistador, and respect individuality but the whole reason to take the entire convoy into the stadium is:

Show community solidarity
SAFETY
Available space

Its far easier to walk 150m that try fine a park on a mid week day in the CBD, Parliament spaces do NEED to be reserved for the SI arrivals, disabled attendee's and some of our organizers carrying essential equipment to the gig

Its not THAT big an ask, and the Police will be managing that aspect anyway not vizi vest wearing KBers, so it will be the Police asking you to turn into the stadium NOT ME!!!

MY biggest concern is people like Mr Dobson, breaking away out of that MASS of riders, (Many the commuter set I belong to) may well cause a massive wipeout....
Anyone who DOES cause anyone else to crash is playing right into the hands of Nick Smith and on National TV at that


Oh yeah and aside from commuting, both my bikes have done 4k each in the last 2 months.....just coz someone commutes on thier bike, dont assume they only use it to get to work, I am a regular in many cafes all over the lower NI and my wife joins me for many thousands of k's of pure wind whistling bliss

I have no probelm walking 150 meters. And my current ride is no show pony, so she be sweet at the stadium.

I hate mass rides. Of the reasons that have been discussed on here a multitude of times. This time there is only one way to avoid it: not to participate. So I fully support the organising you guys have been doing. But if you are expecting that all will run according to plan I suspect you will be disappointed.

Just accept that there will be some temper and anger. But is that so bad? They ARE fucking with bikers after all...

[Dadpole]

Just a note that the distance from the stadium to parliament would be 800 - 1000 metres. Pick a pair of boots that you are comfortable in as there will be a lot of time walking and standing around.

[Hawkeye]

Hmm... regardless of my other views I have a particularly difficult one reconciling my pacifist nature with any bastard touching my bike...

I think that goes for all of us. But if you do park your bike illegally and leave it, it will be the tow company you will have the beef with and I don't know about your area, but the Wellington crowd don't give a toss. It will be after the fact that you have to try and get your bike back from them.

The marshall's at the stadium are there to try and help ensure that:

1) everyone parking at the stadium parks in such a way as to ensure we can fit all of the bikes in. We don't consider that too much to ask.

2) to act as security to ensure that the bikes are not touched while everyone is at Parliament. (and the marshalls will not be touching/moving the bikes either. I will be treating all bikes the same as my own. You touch it you have a pissed off ME to deal with).

The Stadium is only a very short walk to Parliament. We can't expect to fit 5000+ bikes on the street outside the big house nor on the steps for that matter. The organisers have tried to help by ensuring that there IS a place to park the bikes close to Parliament. That has got some form of security.
That has got toilet facilities (because the Parliament grounds and surrounding area hasn't). Where the tow companies cannot generate revenue.

And because of this, the Police (who are neutral and just doing their job) are with us. (Not supporting, but working with us).

[Azi Dahaka]

All I have to say is remember how the media portrayed the rape victims. They only showed a bunch of angry idiot in front of acc and reported the damage they did and that one idiot trying to push by the security guard and fall on his ass.

All I can say is I don’t not want to be portrayed like that. So we all need to work together if you see someone doing something stupid explain it to him and try to keep him in line. tbh I can see part of the news broadcast now bikers leave rubbish all over parliament grounds.

Ill tell you this now I don’t want that something so stupid will make us seem like unruly rabble.

[Bald Eagle]

Unfortunately the geography doesn't provide a drive by opportunity, either coming in or leaving.

[Kennif]

Just a note that the distance from the stadium to parliament would be 800 - 1000 metres. Pick a pair of boots that you are comfortable in as there will be a lot of time walking and standing around.

Ok - it is 230 metres from the bottom of the circular stairway, along Kate Sheppard Place to the gates of Parliament. 230 METRES

But yes - good boots cos there will be some standing around! Not much walking! Thats why this is such a fantastic venue and great work by StoneY and his team.

[Hawkeye]

I have no probelm walking 150 meters. And my current ride is no show pony, so she be sweet at the stadium.

I hate mass rides. Of the reasons that have been discussed on here a multitude of times. This time there is only one way to avoid it: not to participate. So I fully support the organising you guys have been doing. But if you are expecting that all will run according to plan I suspect you will be disappointed.



Hi Conquiztador,

If you don't want to ride with the masses, there is nothing stopping you riding up to the stadium ahead of the ride and still park there. The marshall's will be on site from around 9:30. There will obviously be a number of others with the same view. 'Large group, count me out'. This is why we have managed to organise the Stadium from an earlier time.
By 9:30am, the daily commuters who park their cages in the underground parks at the stadium will be in and long gone.
Stoney have secured the top level walkway's, and has already been mentioned, is unheard of. So if you want to still come, just rock up early.

[Kennif]

Here's an image of the walk.

[Trudes]

I have no probelm walking 150 meters. And my current ride is no show pony, so she be sweet at the stadium.

I hate mass rides. Of the reasons that have been discussed on here a multitude of times. This time there is only one way to avoid it: not to participate. So I fully support the organising you guys have been doing. But if you are expecting that all will run according to plan I suspect you will be disappointed.

Just accept that there will be some temper and anger. But is that so bad? They ARE fucking with bikers after all...

Mate if you don't like the idea of going on the mass ride (like myself) then come along and help out (like myself) that way you can still be part of it and voice your opinion but leave out the ride.

[StoneY]

I can only ASK that all who come, will be cooperative and calm.

I am BEGGING anyone who feels the need to 'act up' to please PLEASE put aside the ego for ONE day, just ONE day, and think of all the other motorcyclists in this country

United we stand, devided we are nothing more than the rabble we have been presented to the public as already

If unhappy with group ride, come alone early, we can park you at parli or the Stadium

Several bike shops staff are coming on the day, and they cannot all get to the meeting points

Once Parliaments LIMITED space is taken up, we will be directing riders to the stadium anyway, PLEASE come in peace everyone, please.....

Peace to you all

[BMWST?]

I can only ASK that all who come, will be cooperative and calm.

I am BEGGING anyone who feels the need to 'act up' to please PLEASE put aside the ego for ONE day, just ONE day, and think of all the other motorcyclists in this country

United we stand, devided we are nothing more than the rabble we have been presented to the public as already

If unhappy with group ride, come alone early, we can park you at parli or the Stadium

Several bike shops staff are coming on the day, and they cannot all get to the meeting points

Once Parliaments LIMITED space is taken up, we will be directing riders to the stadium anyway, PLEASE come in peace everyone, please.....

Peace to you all


btw stoney.....thanks mate.And your small band of helpers.

[SixPackBack]

I can only ASK that all who come, will be cooperative and calm.

I am BEGGING anyone who feels the need to 'act up' to please PLEASE put aside the ego for ONE day, just ONE day, and think of all the other motorcyclists in this country

United we stand, devided we are nothing more than the rabble we have been presented to the public as already

If unhappy with group ride, come alone early, we can park you at parli or the Stadium

Several bike shops staff are coming on the day, and they cannot all get to the meeting points

Once Parliaments LIMITED space is taken up, we will be directing riders to the stadium anyway, PLEASE come in peace everyone, please.....

Peace to you all


Your way or the highway huh??
You erroneously assume that a predefined method of attack [which you subscribe to] is the only way of winning the war.
Expecting highly individual people like bikers to all agree with you is naive.

[James Deuce]

Your way or the highway huh??
You erroneously assume that a predefined method of attack [which you subscribe to] is the only way of winning the war.
Expecting highly individual people like bikers to all agree with you is naive.
Yes, because no matter how worthy the cause there are always motorcyclists willing to put their own selfish needs ahead of others. They're not "individuals". Motorcyclists fall into stereotype much more readily than any other loosely activity affiliated group I've seen.

[Trudes]

Your way or the highway huh??
You erroneously assume that a predefined method of attack [which you subscribe to] is the only way of winning the war.
Expecting highly individual people like bikers to all agree with you is naive.

Possibly not winning the war but perhaps at least engaging in battle. If this peaceful protest doesn't work, then yeah, bring on the war and let the fuckers have it.:bash:

[SixPackBack]

Possibly not winning the war but perhaps at least engaging in battle. If this peaceful protest doesn't work, then yeah, bring on the war and let the fuckers have it.:bash:

I fear to little to late could apply if that is the case. The logistics of getting another Bikoi down to wellington and re-igniting the flame will likely end in indifference.

The bikes will be in Wellington, show some fucken anger!

[Trudes]

I fear to little to late could apply if that is the case. The logistics of getting another Bikoi down to wellington and re-igniting the flame will likely end in indifference.

The bikes will be in Wellington, show some fucken anger!

That was me being angry, couldn't you tell? :laugh:

Are you coming down for the Bikoi SPB?

[Ixion]

What we may euphemistically call "affirmative action" does not need a natioal bikeoi. And indeed that would be the worst possible mehod.

When our just and legitmate grievances are ignored, then we move to stage 2.

But that does NOT need large groups of bikers in one palce. Just a few here, a few there, a few in this place , a few in that. At the right time , and at the right place.

This IS going to be a long road, and a hard road.

Be under no delusions : 90% of those who are protesting now will NOT be in for the long haul. They'll say "Too much hassle, don't want to break the law , blah, blah, pay the levy and get on with life". And I suspect the ones most vociferously demanding insurrection now will be the first to drop off.

But there ARE still old school bikers out there who will do the hard yards.

Will YOU be there in a years time?

Nov 17th is the BEGINNING of the campaign. Not the end.

[Bald Eagle]

What we may euphemistically call "affirmative action" does not need a natioal bikeoi. And indeed that would be the worst possible mehod.

When our just and legitmate grievances are ignored, then we move to stage 2.

But that does NOT need large groups of bikers in one palce. Just a few here, a few there, a few in this place , a few in that. At the right time , and at the right place.

This IS going to be a long road, and a hard road.

Be under no delusions : 90% of those who are protesting now will NOT be in for the long haul. They'll say "Too much hassle, don't want to break the law , blah, blah, pay the levy and get on with life". And I suspect the ones most vociferously demanding insurrection now will be the first to drop off.

But there ARE still old school bikers out there who will do the hard yards.

Will YOU be there in a years time?

Nov 17th is the BEGINNING of the campaign. Not the end.

I've booked you in my calendar for the Bikeoi birthday 2010

[Fatjim]

So this isn't really a protest ride then is it. It's just a jolly old get together.

[Waxxa]

Stoney...I'm sure with the Police presence and volunteers presence all will be in order on the day.

for those individual bikers who dont agree with the action happening down in Wellington on the 17th...DONT BOTHER COMING!!!!!

for those individual bikers who want a more militant protest...DONT BOTHER COMING TO WELLINGTON. Feel free to organise your own protests in your local area on another day.

IF YOU ARE INTENDING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROTEST IN WELLINGTON THEN YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE ACTION THAT IS SET FOR THE 17TH....OR DONT BOTHER COMING!!!

Thanks to all the Wellington bikers who are helping Stoney in the organisation of this event. And the 17th is only the beginning of further protest action up and down the country, so all you hardcore militants out there can still show your mettle...BUT NOT IN WELLINGTON!!!!

Damn the Levies.

[StoneY]

Thanks to all the Wellington bikers who are helping Stoney in the organisation of this event. And the 17th is only the beginning of further protest action up and down the country, so all you hardcore militants out there can still show your mettle...BUT NOT IN WELLINGTON!!!!

Damn the Levies.

Waxxa, thats gold mate

Thank you, its been a lot of work to get this far and I loathe to think it may be wasted on a few people with thier own agenda

I am under NO illusion that anyone HAS to adhere to 'MY' guidelines

We stand to make history here, most bikes ever in one spot, most people ever to visit Parliament.....

Peace

[u4ea]

I am under NO illusion that anyone HAS to adhere to 'MY' guidelines

We stand to make history here, most bikes ever in one spot, most people ever to visit Parliament.....

Peace

Word is out with bikers who have nothing to do with KB ..the non KBers I know dont wear nor ever will wear Hi Vis vests either, but we are all united in this cause. Regardless of what we ride we are all affected. As far as what I can tell there will be bikes turning up at Parliament on the 17th..not Westpac Stadium..and it is a freedom of choice after all. The date is the 17th November for a united front of motorcyclists to Parliament.. thats the word..:rockon:

[Ixion]

Sigh. *WE* , the BIKERS will be turning up at Parliament steps. But y' gotta park the bike SOMEWHERE , f' fucks sake.

I ride my bike to work everyday. Doesn't mean I ride the bloody thing into my office!

I park it in the car park! Prking it in the car aprk doesn't mean I didn't ride to work, right?

What's the difference here ?

It's the bikers we need there not the machines.

If it was the bikes that mattered we could just arrange for the bike shops to ship a whole laod in , and stay home ourselves.

[u4ea]

Sigh. *WE* , the BIKERS will be turning up at Parliament steps. But y' gotta park the bike SOMEWHERE , f' fucks sake.

I ride my bike to work everyday. Doesn't mean I ride the bloody thing into my office!

I park it in the car park! Prking it in the car aprk doesn't mean I didn't ride to work, right?

What's the difference here ?

It's the bikers we need there not the machines.

If it was the bikes that mattered we could just arrange for the bike shops to ship a whole laod in , and stay home ourselves.


I hear you Ixion.
All I am saying is word is out..you know the "Bush Vine" not the "KB vine"..

[Big Dave]

Will some of your panties bunch if you have to walk that far?

Moderate your own behavior and let Mr Plod worry about the dickwads. There will be plenty of both on hand.
If nothing else it could be entertaining.

[StoneY]

I hear you Ixion.
All I am saying is word is out..you know the "Bush Vine" not the "KB vine"..

Can you assist in getting the ACCURATE info out on the Bush telegraph then please?

At the meeting points the briefing will clearly tell people where the destination is, eg Park at STADIUM

I know a lot of joe publics are going to miss this message, but our onsite Marshal,s and the Council, will ask them to go to stadium once the limited parking at Molesworth is full

Thank you all, im no longer going to read this thread its just getting repetative now
Might ring a few radio stations.........

:yes:

[u4ea]

Will some of your panties bunch if you have to walk that far?

Moderate your own behavior and let Mr Plod worry about the dickwads. There will be plenty of both on hand.
If nothing else it could be entertaining.

Big Dave I wear G-strings.
My behaviour doesnt need moderating and I dont consider people who are uninformed DICKWADS
All Im saying is there are a lot of Social MCs and the like who do not know about the Westpac Stadium parking and walking arrangement.....
Im sure Mr Plod will be seriously busy diverting traffic..

[Mrs Busa Pete]

[QUOTE=StoneY;1129509621]
Its a reasonable request, and a historical opportunity to hold the BIGGEST rally ever at Parliament, as well as park the MOST bikes ever in NZ at one place

Sorry stoney i think you might be in for a shock because i don't beleive this is going to be bigger that the 93 protest.

Check your own registar 358. I know that is only on kb and we have to take into consideration those that don't registar but let's take it to a 1000 for kb which i believe has a few members (Cant be bother looking that up) you still have to come up with 5000.

[Big Dave]

Im sure Mr Plod will be seriously busy diverting traffic..

I reckon there will be a riot squad on standby.

(Wasn't actually talking to you anyways.)

[Ixion]

Big Dave I wear G-strings.
My behaviour doesnt need moderating and I dont consider people who are uninformed DICKWADS
All Im saying is there are a lot of Social MCs and the like who do not know about the Westpac Stadium parking and walking arrangement.....
Im sure Mr Plod will be seriously busy diverting traffic..

I think it will be pretty obvious , when people arrive and "helloooo, parking's all full. Shit, wot to do. Hey that guy's indicating that we can park down there. hurrah"

This whole issue is a total storm in a tea cup.

If y' ride to parliament, and y' want to yell at the MPs (or whatever rocks your boat) as opposed to riding there , doing a U turn and riding home, then y' gonna need to park up somewhere.

If we only get 100 bikes, then they'll all park in molesworth St right at the gates. But if all the people who reckon they're going do actually turn up , then that won't work. just not enough space.

So, where's the next closest place that we can park. Wow, , gee, the Stadium. Lucky that.

[Wasp27]

I can only ASK that all who come, will be cooperative and calm.

I am BEGGING anyone who feels the need to 'act up' to please PLEASE put aside the ego for ONE day, just ONE day, and think of all the other motorcyclists in this country

United we stand, devided we are nothing more than the rabble we have been presented to the public as already

If unhappy with group ride, come alone early, we can park you at parli or the Stadium

Several bike shops staff are coming on the day, and they cannot all get to the meeting points

Once Parliaments LIMITED space is taken up, we will be directing riders to the stadium anyway, PLEASE come in peace everyone, please.....

Peace to you all
Well said Stoney :yes:..... I'm sure come Tuesday most will have vented their spleen anyway... your doing a top job. you'll have plenty of back up should things go awry. cheers W

[allycatz]

A lot of non Welly peeps might not know that between Parliament and the railway station is a very large bus terminal and some major intersections....Welly buses don't have a sense of humour....the stadium is the safest and by far the best place to park

[k2w3]

Where do we park, again?

[James Deuce]

So this isn't really a protest ride then is it. It's just a jolly old get together.

Correct. "Hello, just so you know, that giant bunch of people with all the bikes parked at the stadium are voters and have decided to turn up and let you know that we aren't going to vote for you next time around, simply because you've made it your business to tell the NZ public that motorcyclists are thickies and deserve everything they get."

A properly constructed campaign of civil disobedience can be launched after all avenues to access a consultative process are closed.

[Mully]

Where do we park, again?

Dunno. No-ones saying.

Just wherever, I think.

[SixPackBack]

I reckon there will be a riot squad on standby.....................

We can only hope.

[Fatjim]

Where do we park, again?

In the bike park outside 84 Abel Smith st.




Red Squad lives!

[Big Dave]

We can only hope.

Let the cameras get in place before you lead the charge.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your way or the highway huh??
You erroneously assume that a predefined method of attack [which you subscribe to] is the only way of winning the war.
Expecting highly individual people like bikers to all agree with you is naive.

Simply because he'd like us ALL to agree (even if we disagree) to stick together and behave as a favour...for the good of us ALL...doesn't make him naive.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I fear to little to late could apply if that is the case. The logistics of getting another Bikoi down to wellington and re-igniting the flame will likely end in indifference.

The bikes will be in Wellington, show some fucken anger!

Talking of naive SPB...how good is your memory? When the SA rugby team toured here years ago...there was plenty of 'Anger'...it split the country in half.

What good was anger then?

[DidJit]

I sense it is nearing time we saddle up and move out. Nerves appear to be fraying, horses are chomping at the bit... ;)

[Hawkeye]

Hey Stoney, I reckon your doing a top Job mate, I got the email about the piss up at your place to..........thats some generous shit 7000 bikers at your house sounds awesome, mist be costing you a fortune but I will be there for sure.

if anyone needs the email circulating with the details drop me a pm, it wouldnt be right to put it up on a post eh:innocent:

You B@#$@rd Stoney, Where's my invite :spanking:

[Big Dave]

You B@#$@rd Stoney, Where's my invite :spanking:

Not enough parking.

[James Deuce]

He could park at the Stadium and walk.

[Hawkeye]

He could park at the Stadium and walk.

If you think I'm walking over the nui hill ya joking. Stoney will have to come and fetch me.

[Bald Eagle]

I reckon there will be a riot squad on standby.



Talking of naive SPB...how good is your memory? When the SA rugby team toured here years ago...there was plenty of 'Anger'...it split the country in half.

What good was anger then?


In the bike park outside 84 Abel Smith st.


Red Squad lives!

..and Black Squad :innocent:


We can only hope.


Some of us here are old enough to remember 1981 ... and regardless of which 'side' you where on it was not pleasant.

Ahh the enthusiasim of youth. :baby::dodge::Playnice::calm:

[k2w3]

Aye, Bald Eagle. I remember their chant well...

"2 4 6 8 We Don't Want No Racist Tour"

[Wasp27]

Nov 17th is the BEGINNING of the campaign. Not the end.
Sounds like a good Campaign Slogan to me...... :yes:

[Big Dave]

Sounds like a good Campaign Slogan to me...... :yes:


Wot do we want?

The Beginning!

When do we want it?

........

[StoneY]

Simply because he'd like us ALL to agree (even if we disagree) to stick together and behave as a favour...for the good of us ALL...doesn't make him naive.

Yep, and thanks bro, couldnt express that as well as you did ;)


I sense it is nearing time we saddle up and move out. Nerves appear to be fraying, horses are chomping at the bit... ;)

Suzy started herself last night shes keen to roll out thats for sure :scooter:


You B@#$@rd Stoney, Where's my invite :spanking:

Waiting for ya at Toppys, Hooters has it stashed in her bra bro!!!:yes:


If you think I'm walking over the nui hill ya joking. Stoney will have to come and fetch me.

But...you said youd never be seen on a Ducati, will I be picking you up at midnight then??
:laugh:

[k2w3]

"1 2 3 4 We want the ACC levies to correctly and accurately reflect the risk profile we as motorcyclists really have on NZ roads!"

Has a certain ring to it.

[Hawkeye]

"1 2 3 4 We want the ACC levies to correctly and accurately reflect the risk profile we as motorcyclists really have on NZ roads!"

Has a certain ring to it.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[StoneY]

So you all know how much effort HAS gone into access, latest council repy from the Parking executives
Hope it helps you all understand the efforts taken and the consessions gained

Hi Brent - I have now spoken to Peter Baird and my manager regarding your requests.

The Council can provide some parking resources for this protest event at:

The angled parking on the Parliament side of Molesworth Street, from the corner of Bunny St/Lambton Quay to the top entrance gates of Parliament - approx 23 angled car parks.
The parallel car parking on Lambton Quay (outside Victoria University Law Faculty - Old Govt Bldgs), from Bunny Street to Whitmore Street. This extra parking should be used only as an overflow and may include spaces for Police or WCC vehicles.
The provision of special "mobility parks" cannot be done. Could you please try to get your marshals to administer this on the day in the Molesworth Street angled parks?
Any assistance you can provide to prevent motorcycles parking on the footpath would be greatly appreciated.

I will see you again on Monday as well.

Kind regards
(A council exec)

End result, a part of Lambton Quay opposite Parliament now also available
We have done our ALL to get us into the city, see you on the 17th

[k2w3]

Well I, for one, am OUTRAGED that there may be spaces there for WCC vehicles.

[Mully]

Well I, for one, am OUTRAGED that there may be spaces there for WCC vehicles.

S'alright - give you something to overturn and set fire to when the rioting starts :shutup::innocent:

(p/t. Calm down)

[yungatart]

Well, anyone who wants to hijack this protest by being naughty, best not stand anywhere near me!
I will give them one hell of a talking to in my best school ma'am voice...the likes of which they will never want again!
I can be VERY scary when I want to be!

[Rem]

No, your parking 150 Meters from the big house.

500 Bikes shut down a major motorway feed for the north end of the city, so we were asked, and very nicely, by Council, and Police to use the Fran Wilde Walkway for our 'mass' parking

Theres room for 200 or so bikes at Parliament, its a MID week business day with Busses flowing past the only way into that street

Its a reasonable request, and a historical opportunity to hold the BIGGEST rally ever at Parliament, as well as park the MOST bikes ever in NZ at one place

We will be seen, we will definitely be heard, and we have it all officially sanctioned

If we blow this, we stand to lose all credibility, and be labeled forever 'leather clad neanderthal's'

Is a SHORT walk from your Bike (guarded by our Wellington Volunteers) too much to ask???

The parking we DO get at the big house is open to all, but those in the large groups forming in the two main suburban locations are expected to go to the Stadium, where we have a collection for the Free Ambulance Service

And as we have inner city riders and disabled riders coming, I think it only fair they get to utilize the small area there, creating enough chrome and noise to be counted

TV will show the massive bike park at Stadium, the convoys, and our speeches

But if we dont show humility and restraint we give Nick and JK what they want, an angry rabble, with no respect to give, or be shown

Its not a huge ask to use the Stadium, in fact its a fucking blessing, or we would end up with riders walking fucking 5 ks alright, all the way from Courtenay Place, and one very HOSTILE city population who only just forgot the truckies of 2 years ago at last

Parking at the stadium is not a big issue to me BUT I'm not sure where you are coming from ie "we were asked very nicely" WHAT? maybe Nick could ask you very nicely to pay up. "We stand to lose all credibility" just what sort of cred do you think bikers have. Do you really think you can make Nick or JK respect us? Hey I don't know why you are bothering to protest if you ain't angry! I don't intend to be a dickhead on this protest but I certainly won't be Humble. Sorry to get personal but if your attitude is part of the driving force for this protest we are doomed and I may as well bend over now

[Ixion]

I don't do humble.

[MSTRS]

"Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
...."

[Maha]

' I cant wait to look in the mirror, cos I get better looking each day'

[The Pastor]

I can see why, but at the same time im thinking sod the rules.

[Leviticus]

Moderate your own behavior and let Mr Plod worry about the dickwads. There will be plenty of both on hand.
If nothing else it could be entertaining.

Very entertaining for the media. It all it will take is one fuck up or act of stupidity and the media can turn the whole thing in favour of ACC, thus negating all the effort put in by Stoney, Ixion et al.

Calm sensible heads on the day..... Please

[wingnutt]

Congratulations to stoney, ixion, and all the others, who have helped to put together, this huge undertaking.

I have never protested, nor ridden in a large group, but I’m doing both, because I believe passionately, that together, we can force change.

This will be historic, something to tell your grandkids about, the last thing needed, is for someone to go off half cocked.

United we must be, or smith and his mates win.

Roll on Tuesday 17th

Cheers,

Bob

[k2w3]

How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man,

EVERYBODY!

[Ronin]

I reckon there will be a riot squad on standby.

(Wasn't actually talking to you anyways.)

Note to self. Carry Helmet.......


Note to others: This is a humorous comment intended only to amuse and in no way indicates any prevalence towards or the intent to participate in violence of any sort

[StoneY]

Parking at the stadium is not a big issue to me BUT I'm not sure where you are coming from ie "we were asked very nicely" WHAT? maybe Nick could ask you very nicely to pay up. "We stand to lose all credibility" just what sort of cred do you think bikers have. Do you really think you can make Nick or JK respect us? Hey I don't know why you are bothering to protest if you ain't angry! I don't intend to be a dickhead on this protest but I certainly won't be Humble. Sorry to get personal but if your attitude is part of the driving force for this protest we are doomed and I may as well bend over now

All 4 of your posts equal how much effort on this dude???? Hmmm?
I smell National Infiltrator here

We were asked by Chief Inspector Peter Baird of the NZ Police, who can and will SHUT US DOWN if we dont comply with a reasonable request

EVERY available park near Parliament is being reserved for US
All 300 or so spots for a bike....

I complied because if we dont, they lock the gates and get the batons out

This is a PEACEFUL rally, and if no success THEN we get millitant

And dude, any time you wanna test my mettle, say so to my face :finger:

[Ixion]

.. Do you really think you can make Nick or JK respect us? Hey I don't know why you are bothering to protest if you ain't angry! ..


I don't know if we can make Nick or JK respect us , now or in the morning. And I don't really give a flying fuck if they do or not..

What I DO want to do is make them FEAR us.

But there's more ways to make a politician shit himself than a rumble.

They won't fear THAT at all, because they'll just retire behind the police line.

[NighthawkNZ]

But there's more ways to make a politician shit himself than a rumble.

They won't fear THAT at all, because they'll just retire behind the police line.

Always end your debate with..."Good luck at the next election..." ;) keep reminding them its not that far away

[StoneY]

I

What I DO want to do is make them FEAR us.
But there's more ways to make a politician shit himself than a rumble.

They won't fear THAT at all, because they'll just retire behind the police line.

Exactly mate, again well said

This event, we go in peace to show just how many troops we can raise....not every army needs to shoot first

The threat of losing the immediate 5000 vootes in the grounds says heaps, and potentially 250,000 class 6 holders.....
National already making contrite noises, we just need to show we MEAN it, no need to get militant....YET!

[Genestho]

Anybody that makes an 'individual' cock of themselves - not only undermines the planning gone into this, but submissions made by groups and individuals on behalf of the MC community.

You could blow any future meetings with MP's, cops wont want to assist any more rides... friendly rides will be cause for alarm - and it'll be the big "get effed" from everyone assisting and potential allies - right now.

You'll blow the work BRONZ (and clubs and supporters) have done, and ruin it for everyone.

And really - What will throwing a tantrum on parliament steps, in the media and public eye achieve?

Same as anyone throwing a tantrum. *EDIT: Once the Media have finished with you - Ignored.

Right now there is an inroad - use it wisely - give it a chance, and try and think ahead?

[Big Dave]

I agree also.

What I was alluding to is that there are sectors of the community beyond our sphere of influence that may or may not also attend the event, and those that don't behave reasonably will be under pretty intense surveillance.

I was told the police are catering for 6,000.

Did you see what happened to the clown that did the Wheelies on the last Ulysses run. They will deal.

[nothingflash]

Anybody that makes an 'individual' cock of themselves - not only undermines the planning gone into this, but submissions made by groups and individuals on behalf of the MC community.

You could blow any future meetings with MP's, cops wont want to assist any more rides... friendly rides will be cause for alarm - and it'll be the big "get effed" from everyone assisting and potential allies - right now.

You'll blow the work BRONZ (and clubs and supporters) have done, and ruin it for everyone.

And really - What will throwing a tantrum on parliament steps, in the media and public eye achieve?

Same as anyone throwing a tantrum. *EDIT: Once the Media have finished with you -Ignored.

Right now there is an inroad - use it wisely - give it a chance, and try and think ahead?

Yep, well said.

[SixPackBack]

........Sounds like a well organised knitting circle. Where's the passion, the hate?
Are we bikers or minnows politely asking the minister to reconsider?

[BMWST?]

have we got a chant....?

[Coldrider]

All 4 of your posts equal how much effort on this dude???? Hmmm?
I smell National Infiltrator here

We were asked by Chief Inspector Peter Baird of the NZ Police, who can and will SHUT US DOWN if we dont comply with a reasonable request

EVERY available park near Parliament is being reserved for US
All 300 or so spots for a bike....

I complied because if we dont, they lock the gates and get the batons out

This is a PEACEFUL rally, and if no success THEN we get millitant

And dude, any time you wanna test my mettle, say so to my face :finger:Has this porklet actually threatened to get the batons out?

And what is reasonable request, if a biker is compliant with the law?

[Big Dave]

have we got a chant....?

A line is:

Damn the levies.

[Genestho]

........Sounds like a well organised knitting circle. Where's the passion, the hate?
Are we bikers or minnows politely asking the minister to reconsider?


Mr SPB - you listen here you :bleh: (As I poke..poke...poke you with my knitting needle).
You can still be passionate, you don't have to ask anything, you have something to say, and you say it - but just don't blow all the hard work with dumbarsed antics.
The stoopid knuckledragging approach will end future meetings and potential progress.
Show you are a united big voice, that needs listening to. :sunny:

Make us proud!

[rustic101]

Anybody that makes an 'individual' cock of themselves - not only undermines the planning gone into this, but submissions made by groups and individuals on behalf of the MC community.

You could blow any future meetings with MP's, cops wont want to assist any more rides... friendly rides will be cause for alarm - and it'll be the big "get effed" from everyone assisting and potential allies - right now.

You'll blow the work BRONZ (and clubs and supporters) have done, and ruin it for everyone.

And really - What will throwing a tantrum on parliament steps, in the media and public eye achieve?

Same as anyone throwing a tantrum. *EDIT: Once the Media have finished with you -Ignored.

Right now there is an inroad - use it wisely - give it a chance, and try and think ahead?

I'll be the Police Liaison on the day. My advice is; Please check your attitude at the door before you get on your bike and if you struggle to do this you will face the consequences; such as having your bike impounded for up to 28 days or if you fail the attitude test, a nice day/night rest in the comfortable plush Police accommodation at Central..

We have the support of the Police, Businesses and other Bodies who we may need in the future. Two words that should not have to be said are:

1. Credibility
a. If we are to be taken seriously we need to be composed and professional. In simple terms = most parents ignore naughty children….
2. Ostracised
a. if we want the public on side we need to comply and be courteous, not be seen like a bunch of knobs. We want all of the support we can muster –


Whose Next
as a chant perhaps

[Leseid]

Parking at the stadium means we can use the toilet facilities? With that many people having ridden for such a long ride, that's going to be a big plus parking at the stadium.
Also will be a better place to line up the bikes to have a look at after the protest.
I think even from the stadium the whole of Wellington is going to hear all those bikes.

Wellington people don't have a lot of time for people who hold them up, so parking at the stadium is a master plan.

[StoneY]

Has this porklet actually threatened to get the batons out?

And what is reasonable request, if a biker is compliant with the law?


Sigh.

This will be the BIGGEST ever rally on Parliaments lawns, anyone dumb enough to not realize that they have a very well set and trained security force is truly living in la la land
2,500 is to date the most people ever to arrive at parliament in a protest

Reasonable request was as simple as this:

Dont fuck the city up like the truckies did, it wont work in your favour

So, to have a CHANCE to make our message heard LOUD and CLEAR we agreed to compromise

When has any government in NZ folded to force??????

Remember 1981 Springboks tour?
I do....saw many of my neighbors smashed with batons and not ONE game was even interrupted
Two of our riders in this event WERE cops back then, and now are coming along to make a stand with us, thats says a lot about the diversity WE represent!

There are LOADS of people in this city that do NOT ride Motorbikes coming down to watch us arrive, hear our side of the story, and dozens of TV camera's arranged.
The word is out in Wellington, we are coming, and coming en masse
That's enough, there's no need for aggro to make our point (YET)

Great look that would be, playing tough neanderthal for the TV camera's and alienating the rest of New Zealand, keep it up

[Kennif]

........Sounds like a well organised knitting circle. Where's the passion, the hate?
Are we bikers or minnows politely asking the minister to reconsider?


Ah ... I just realised. You're taking the PISS aren't you! Phew ... for a minute or two there i thought you wus serious.

[Coldrider]

Sigh.

This will be the BIGGEST ever rally on Parliaments lawns, anyone dumb enough to not realize that they have a very well set and trained security force is truly living in la la land
2,500 is to date the most people ever to arrive at parliament in a protest

Reasonable request was as simple as this:

Dont fuck the city up like the truckies did, it wont work in your favour

So, to have a CHANCE to make our message heard LOUD and CLEAR we agreed to compromise

When has any government in NZ folded to force??????

Remember 1981 Springboks tour?
I do....saw many of my neighbors smashed with batons and not ONE game was even interrupted
Two of our riders in this event WERE cops back then, and now are coming along to make a stand with us, thats says a lot about the diversity WE represent!

There are LOADS of people in this city that do NOT ride Motorbikes coming down to watch us arrive, hear our side of the story, and dozens of TV camera's arranged.
The word is out in Wellington, we are coming, and coming en masse
That's enough, there's no need for aggro to make our point (YET)

Great look that would be, playing tough neanderthal for the TV camera's and alienating the rest of New Zealand, keep it upHas the pig threatened to baton us or not? Very simple question.

[Paul in NZ]

Has the pig threatened to baton us or not? Very simple question.

Simple but dangerous question and of course no ones threatening anyone other than ACC threatening us... But asking questions like that will cause tension so why bother? At the moment I'd say the Police were on our side, even neutral is really on our side given who pays them.

As the Pointy haired Boss says - If you find a whole mess of stupid - don't poke it with a stick.

[rustic101]

inappropriate and unprofessional to threaten anyone.

Just remeber you are the master of your own destiny.....

:gob:

[Pedrostt500]

There are quiet a few cameras around Parliment, and a hell of alot more on the various other government buildings in the blocks around Parliment, all with very good street views.

[Coldrider]

Simple but dangerous question and of course no ones threatening anyone other than ACC threatening us... But asking questions like that will cause tension so why bother? At the moment I'd say the Police were on our side, even neutral is really on our side given who pays them.

As the Pointy haired Boss says - If you find a whole mess of stupid - don't poke it with a stick.So now we hide the truth ?

[SixPackBack]

Mr SPB - you listen here you :bleh: (As I poke..poke...poke you with my knitting needle).
You can still be passionate, you don't have to ask anything, you have something to say, and you say it - but just don't blow all the hard work with dumbarsed antics.
The stoopid knuckledragging approach will end future meetings and potential progress.
Show you are a united big voice, that needs listening to. :sunny:

Make us proud!

Lets hope your knitting needles are sharp. Wearing a bikini might get us more than 10 seconds of TV coverage-just a thought.

[James Deuce]

So now we hide the truth ?

What paranoid fantasy triggered your delusions?

[Genestho]

Lets hope your knitting needles are sharp. Wearing a bikini might get us more than 10 seconds of TV coverage-just a thought.

:laugh: And here I thought you'd call me a sickopants (again)...
Phhhoaaar - Just remember to shave your bikini line SPB and we might grab 5 seconds extra :woohoo::bleh:

[Bill]

I thought this originally was an invitation to all motorcyclists to ride to parliament to protest the acc levies. What's changed? This ride isn't 'owned' by anyone, so why the dictatorship. What is so hard to understand about a ride to parliament? I'd like to bet $50 you won't be able to stop Michael Dobson, nor will you be able to stop the hundreds of others who WILL go to Parliament.

[taff1954]

...... all it will take is one fuck up or act of stupidity and the media can turn the whole thing in favour of ACC, thus negating all the effort put in by Stoney, Ixion et al.

Calm sensible heads on the day..... Please

There's been a few postings in the levies forum over the last month that have alluded to the fact that organising and marshalling bikers is a bit like herding cats. There are more than a few who will want to scatter and do things their own way, right or wrong.

On this occasion, however, we need to be more like the big cats, working as a seamless team to bring down the prey, striking from many directions, but nevertheless, working together. The first, or even second and third attempts may not be sucessful, but eventually, the pride will bring down it's target. We can bitch and scrap before, and after the hunt, but on the day, we must pull together. Period.

See you all in Wellington, November 17th.

Ride safe.

[Coldrider]

What paranoid fantasy triggered your delusions?It is the written word there matey, but then apparently according to you, all motorcyclist are 'thick'.
Can I get my uni money back.

[Trudes]

I thought this originally was an invitation to all motorcyclists to ride to parliament to protest the acc levies. What's changed? This ride isn't 'owned' by anyone, so why the dictatorship. What is so hard to understand about a ride to parliament? I'd like to bet $50 you won't be able to stop Michael Dobson, nor will you be able to stop the hundreds of others who WILL go to Parliament.

I wonder where they will park?

[Mully]

I wonder where they will park?

Wherever they want, apparently.

Up to and including the steps of parliament

[sunhuntin]

Did you see what happened to the clown that did the Wheelies on the last Ulysses run. They will deal.

for those that didnt attend, can you share some more details. a co worker has decided to attend, and he can be known to show off a tad [genuinely nice guy who would give you the shirt off his back, just hasnt settled down yet. lol] and im trying to convince him to play nice. ive already told him that plates will be recorded and given to the cops, but dont think he has understood that fully. cheers!

[huff3r]

Wherever they want, apparently.

Up to and including the steps of parliament

I wonder how long it'll take for them to get their bikes back from the towies/how muchh it'll cost.

[Mully]

I wonder how long it'll take for them to get their bikes back from the towies/how muchh it'll cost.

I'd be more worried about the damage the towies will do.
They ain't known for their delicate touch.

[Laxi]

I thought this originally was an invitation to all motorcyclists to ride to parliament to protest the acc levies. What's changed? This ride isn't 'owned' by anyone, so why the dictatorship. What is so hard to understand about a ride to parliament? I'd like to bet $50 you won't be able to stop Michael Dobson, nor will you be able to stop the hundreds of others who WILL go to Parliament.

1 post=1 red rep says it all, now fuck off

[Katman]

for those that didnt attend, can you share some more details. a co worker has decided to attend, and he can be known to show off a tad [genuinely nice guy who would give you the shirt off his back, just hasnt settled down yet. lol] and im trying to convince him to play nice. ive already told him that plates will be recorded and given to the cops, but dont think he has understood that fully. cheers!

Tell your co worker to stay home.

[Trudes]

Wherever they want, apparently.

Up to and including the steps of parliament
Yes well, good luck to them with that little delusion.


for those that didnt attend, can you share some more details. a co worker has decided to attend, and he can be known to show off a tad [genuinely nice guy who would give you the shirt off his back, just hasnt settled down yet. lol] and im trying to convince him to play nice. ive already told him that plates will be recorded and given to the cops, but dont think he has understood that fully. cheers!

Tell him he can expect to lose his licence/be arrested/be beaten up by about 200 other bikers. If that doesn't settle him down then maybe he should leave his bike at home and catch the train.

[Coldrider]

1 post=1 red rep says it all, now fuck off

So how much is that red rep going to cost in the real world?

[Maha]

I thought this originally was an invitation to all motorcyclists to ride to parliament to protest the acc levies. What's changed? This ride isn't 'owned' by anyone, so why the dictatorship. What is so hard to understand about a ride to parliament? I'd like to bet $50 you won't be able to stop Michael Dobson, nor will you be able to stop the hundreds of others who WILL go to Parliament.

Probably right, it isn't owned by anyone, someone had to organise it though, and that person/s put in a few guidelines/rules to follow. There will no doubt be a few mavericks next Tuesday, thats to be expected. Are you kind of bloke who turns up to a party and acts like a twat, the kind of person who everyone else at the party, wishes the hell you didn't?

[Big Dave]

for those that didnt attend, can you share some more details. a co worker has decided to attend, and he can be known to show off a tad [genuinely nice guy who would give you the shirt off his back, just hasnt settled down yet. lol] and im trying to convince him to play nice. ive already told him that plates will be recorded and given to the cops, but dont think he has understood that fully. cheers!


He was quietly shepherded to one side by a Rozza and was looking for a lift home when I last spotted him.

[StoneY]

I thought this originally was an invitation to all motorcyclists to ride to parliament to protest the acc levies.

IT STILL IS
We just park at the Stadium!

Funny thing is, I clarified to ALL that ANYONE can ride TO Parliament...but if the parking's all gone, they will be asked to go to the stadium

And anyone parking on a footpath WILL have their bike taken away by Harbour City Towing....that's a real high price to pay for being stubborn, stupid, or both!

Michael is welcome at Parliament, but if he carries joins the convoys and acts like he has said he will, he risks causing many of the lesser experienced riders to wipe out in confusion of "what the hell where do I turn ARRRGH"
Suddenly 20 bikes are scrap metal, press love it, National win even before we GET there

Why the fuck cant you get it, its not about YOU getting a chance to scrap it out....its about 250,000 Kiwi's being represented, in a way that gets Public sympathy and opinion in our favour


What I dont want, is to let down 250,000 class 6 License holders counting on those that traveled the length of NZ to represent them, or waste our sponsors money on a toilet no one takes a fuckin dump in

[Mully]

IT STILL IS
We just park at the Stadium!

How's your head from banging it on that wall??

[StoneY]

Tell your co worker to stay home.

Katman, cheers for that
Im outa bling man catch you tomorrow
:)

[Coldrider]

How's your head from banging it on that wall??Those bikers that are costing us & ACC tens of millions of dollars per annum are bound to show up, and we can see who they are.

[StoneY]

How's your head from banging it on that wall??

Sore bruvver, but a pain worth paying

And I will keep banging the wall too
I was taught back in the Dojo pain is good, helps focus the survival reflex

Troll all they like, fact is, first act of aggression gets someone arrested, someone hurt, and ALL OF US FUCKED with a 500 dollar increase we have righteously earned on National TV!!!

Great stuff, oh yeah, fuckin awesome go the retards with the 'Im a 1%er' attitude they never earned to begin with

Marlon Brando's been dead a long time now...

[Cloggy]

Good on ya Stoney. Doing a great job. Just keep your cool.
And pain is just weakness leaving the body. It makes you stronger.

[Pedrostt500]

I'm going to be one of the Marshals for this event, I'm giving my time freely, I would like to be in the main ride, but see it just as important to help where I can for the benifit of the Majority, Yes there will be those full of themselves who will think that it is all about them selves and their egos, who will want to be the Rebel without a Clue, I have no intention of stopping these people, because I will have the other 5990 people to help the best I can, in what ever capacity and function I will be for filling, on the day.

[sunhuntin]

He was quietly shepherded to one side by a Rozza and was looking for a lift home when I last spotted him.

thanks for that. im pretty sure he will be a good boy once in the main group. i will tell him again tomorrow and monday to leave his ego at home. ive also printed out copies of the final plans for him, cos hes not a member here, and i have highlighted the relevant behaviour parts.

[Laxi]

I'm going to be one of the Marshals for this event, I'm giving my time freely, I would like to be in the main ride, but see it just as important to help where I can for the benifit of the Majority, Yes there will be those full of themselves who will think that it is all about them selves and their egos, who will want to be the Rebel without a Clue, I have no intention of stopping these people, because I will have the other 5990 people to help the best I can, in what ever capacity and function I will be for filling, on the day.

good post, I'll be marshaling too, and you're right, I wont be stopping the idiots either, dom post on wed "bikie fight at parliment" dosn't appeal to me, there will be plenty of law representatives there and you can bet I'll be passing on details of anything I see though

[Pedrostt500]

good post, I'll be marshaling too, and you're right, I wont be stopping the idiots either, dom post on wed "bikie fight at parliment" dosn't appeal to me, there will be plenty of law representatives there and you can bet I'll be passing on details of anything I see though


I'll just be posting pics under the heading MUPPETS, and if there are REG Nos in the pics I won't be hiding them, and since there are a few members here who are also Coppers, then they can find it if they want it.

[triumphnz]

I understand what is trying to be done , but i also think that being some ones pet monkey gets you nowhere i went to the tauranga protest on the 7th we went right into the city center park up right out side the acc office the tauranga police were great thank you good turn out and ride. Simon bridges came out in his pink shirt and gave use the blah blah send in you sub to welly blah blah also wrote to my local mp todd mclay got the same party line in the letter back from him go figure .Conclusion after reading some of the posts on here regarding the wellington protest and the distance i will have to walk to parliment after riding for 6 hours[ i have plates and a rodd etc from being hit by a drunk driver } to hear the same bullshit line i think yeah right whos the sucker .They should have to walk to us to kiss our ass as we pay their fucking wages .so fuck it and good luck.:rockon:

[Wasp27]

Well, best not stand anywhere near me!...I can be VERY scary when I want to be!
We'll take that as read then shall we....:laugh::lol::hug:.... just kidding ;-)

[Cloggy]

I understand what is trying to be done , but i also think that being some ones pet monkey gets you nowhere .....

Doing nothing and sitting on your arse at home complaining gets even less done.
Get on your bike and get down here!
People staying at home is something the government would love to see (one of the reasons they are tryng to get you off your bike)
Stand up and be counted!

[wingrider]

I understand what is trying to be done , but i also think that being some ones pet monkey gets you nowhere i went to the tauranga protest on the 7th we went right into the city center park up right out side the acc office the tauranga police were great thank you good turn out and ride. Simon bridges came out in his pink shirt and gave use the blah blah send in you sub to welly blah blah also wrote to my local mp todd mclay got the same party line in the letter back from him go figure .Conclusion after reading some of the posts on here regarding the wellington protest and the distance i will have to walk to parliment after riding for 6 hours[ i have plates and a rodd etc from being hit by a drunk driver } to hear the same bullshit line i think yeah right whos the sucker .They should have to walk to us to kiss our ass as we pay their fucking wages .so fuck it and good luck.:rockon:

Put your hand up for a reserved park in Molesworth street as others have done. It for those with disabilities like yourself.
20 paces to front line seats.
You have your right to be both seen and heard and the organisers have done everything possible to accommodate you.

After a six hour ride I dont want to see you disadvantaged but WE ALL want to see you there.

[Kennif]

I understand what is trying to be done , but i also think that being some ones pet monkey gets you nowhere i went to the tauranga protest on the 7th we went right into the city center park up right out side the acc office the tauranga police were great thank you good turn out and ride. Simon bridges came out in his pink shirt and gave use the blah blah send in you sub to welly blah blah also wrote to my local mp todd mclay got the same party line in the letter back from him go figure .Conclusion after reading some of the posts on here regarding the wellington protest and the distance i will have to walk to parliment after riding for 6 hours[ i have plates and a rodd etc from being hit by a drunk driver } to hear the same bullshit line i think yeah right whos the sucker .They should have to walk to us to kiss our ass as we pay their fucking wages .so fuck it and good luck.:rockon:

Fair enough and I appreciate and understand your point of view. However there are reserved parks for riders with disabilities - PM StoneY for one. Failing that it is a 230metre walk from the stadium concourse to Parliament.

We need everyone who can to come to Welly. Every biker who stays at home is a victory for Nick Smith & John Key.

[caseye]

There will be Sooooo many of us there with our heads firmly screwed on, not one of us is going to sit back and let a "Dick head do his thing" if it's going to impact on this ride and all that the men and women of BRONZ and every other organisation involved have worked so hard to organise and run.
STONEY and all the marshalls and others giving up their right to ride.
Thanks guys and girls from me and every other sane rider who is attending and riding.

[davereid]

not one of us is going to sit back and let a "Dick head do his thing"

One or two people who simply havent grasped how much work Stoney and the team have done, and well this has been organised may well think they can ride anywere they want, but it will be well marshalled, and I'm sure it will be fine.

Strange how those going on about "we should be on the steps" havent helped out. I bet they didnt write submissions, ring their M.P. or put up any posters.

[k2w3]

One question: Where would Chuck Norris park?

[sinfull]

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[James Deuce]

One question: Where would Chuck Norris park?

Chuck Norris doesn't park, the stadium comes to him.

[Leviticus]

I agree also.


I was told the police are catering for 6,000.



I wont bother to pack my lunch then. Wots on the menu?:woohoo:

[Conquiztador]

Joe Citizen considers bikers intimidating. I only have to walk in somewhere with my leathers on and even if it is packed, suddenly there is a space for me. And I do not get hassled by anyone.

Yes, Smith and his croonies are all politicians and have some power. But I bet that he feels the same as most other Joe's when a bunch of bikers turn up.

Imagine then what they will feel if we manage to get 6,000 of us confronting them. (And there will be no sign saying "you must remove your helmet"...)

A while ago I started a thread re where I had used being a bikie to get an advantage. Perhaps this will be one of those incidents that I can add to that list?

I am all for the "big bang" solution. But I will participate on the rules that the organisers have stipulated. Does not mean I agree with it all. After all they have done all the work. Respect.

[Big Dave]

I wont bother to pack my lunch then. Wots on the menu?:woohoo:

Starters with Public order garnished with a hint of Baton.

Followed by a selection of give the minister the finger foods.

[Ixion]

I wont bother to pack my lunch then. Wots on the menu?:woohoo:

Tenderised pepper steak. Fried

The cops just need some volunteers to be peppered ,tenderised and fried. Sounds like they won't have a shortage.

[MSTRS]

Tenderised pepper steak. Fried

The cops just need some volunteers to be peppered ,tenderised and fried. Sounds like they won't have a shortage.

I know the batons are still working, and the tasers may just be issued. But I sincerely hope the cops are using that nice, humane steel shot in their riot guns.

[PirateJafa]

How well do tazers work against armoured leathers...?

[StoneY]

Conclusion after reading some of the posts on here regarding the wellington protest and the distance i will have to walk to parliment after riding for 6 hours[ i have plates and a rodd etc from being hit by a drunk driver } to hear the same bullshit line i think yeah right whos the sucker .They should have to walk to us to kiss our ass as we pay their fucking wages .so fuck it and good luck.:rockon:


Dude, if you come along, PM me to get a park reserved for you


We have made arrangements for those that GENUINELY CANNOT walk 200meters (200 METERS ffs) to park right there

I have a list of 6 so far we are GARATEEING spots at the gates, this includes a man with one leg that velcro's his foot to the left peg

:)

[StoneY]

One question: Where would Chuck Norris park?

On your head mate, and ill kickbox anyone who suggests Chuck aint on our side...hes everywhere and Nic better watch out!

[Str8 Jacket]

While I fully support all the work that has gone into organising this and I will be complying with all requests people need to be aware of a few things...

1) thousands and thousand of motorcyclists are not on KB and they think that they are going to protest by riding their bikes to parliament.

2) I am one of over 25 bikers in my orginisation, I am the only KBer of the lot of them.

3) The people I mentioned in point 2 are not at all happy with "Kiwibiker Wankers" (they have no idea that I am on KB except for 1 of them) that think they can tell everyone what to do...


What I am saying is that marshalls need to be aware that youare going to cop some attitude. That means that you are going to need AS MANY MARSHALLS AS YOU CAN FIND and preferably BIG HAIRY PEOPLE that WILL be listened too!

I would offer my services to marshall to help out unfortunately due to the nature of my work I can't.

Thanks to everyone that has put so much effort into this!

[Maha]

That is the realization Str8 Jacket, everyone who will attend on the 17th is doing so as an individual choice. The protest is not under the Kiwibiker Banner. KB has ceratinly help getting the word out there but thats it. All KBers have alot to be thankful for, being a part of the best Biker site in the world, even the stirrers cant keep away.

Its like Our ride tomorow, if it weren't for KB then it probably wouldn't be happening, I will be making sure that everyone who turns up tomorrow knows exactly how we want it all to go, if anyone takes it upon themself to dissrupt the ride in any way, the mass will not be pleased. It will be a much smaller number to contend with sure, but, percentage wise, the odds are that someone wont be able to be adult for two hours.

[Str8 Jacket]

That is the realization Str8 Jacket, everyone who will attend on the 17th is doing so as an individual choice. The protest is not under the Kiwibiker Banner.

What I am saying is that there are quite a few people out there not happy with the way the protest has been organised full stop. As many thousands are not KBers, we have no idea how many people will try and ruin it for the rest.

It was a "heads-up" based on a conversation I overheard today....

[Ixion]

That is the realization Str8 Jacket, everyone who will attend on the 17th is doing so as an individual choice. The protest is not under the Kiwibiker Banner. KB has ceratinly help getting the word out there but thats it. All KBers have alot to be thankful for being a part of the best Biker site in the world, even the stirrers cant keep away.

However it is Kiwibiker volunteers that have done all the organisation

Reality is that anyone who thinks they are going to ride to "parliament" (God knows what they think "Parliament" is ") will either

a. Have to park in the Stadium
b. Or park somewhere else further away (which is fine)
c. Manage to secure one of the few places that will be available in Molesworth St (they'll have to get there pretty early, but if they do no-one will care)
d. Turn up and hang a U turn and ride away again
e. Park illegally and be towed by WCC - Note it will NOT be the marshals organising (or opposing) the towing.

Them's the choices.

Anyone who thinks they'll be able to do some sort of shit riding into the grounds or such like won't be arguing with marshals. They'll be arguing with cops. And Parliamentary security. And if it gets serious, DPS. None of whom will be interested in listening to any crap.

This is not a ride to some regional Town Hall or such like where you can get away with stuff. This is Parliament. It IS guarded by people who take things seriously.

Someone said "Well, what could they do if 6000 bikers invaded the grounds."

Answer. Open fire. Seriously. Tasers first, and dogs. But those guys are issued with guns and live ammo for a reason.

Try them, by all means. Just don't expect any of the BIKEOI organisers to back you up.

[Ixion]

What I am saying is that there are quite a few people out there not happy with the way the protest has been organised full stop. As many thousands are not KBers, we have no idea how many people will try and ruin it for the rest.

It was a "heads-up" based on a conversation I overheard today....

As compared with the protests they have organised ?

[Str8 Jacket]

As compared with the protests they have organised ?

Hey, I am just passing on general comments from 'the others' as a heads up for you guy's organising. Not pointing fingers or trying to start a fight just making sure that people realise that things could quite easily get messy.

[Trudes]

I just can't understand why so many people have their knickers in a knot. They will get to go to Parliament and make a noise. They won't have to wait for any stupid cagers or red traffic lights. If they park at the Stadium they are garenteed a park, for a gold coin donation, and be there in time, someone will even watch over their precious bike while they are there. Other people have organised all this for them, so nothing to worry about, go with the flow.
OR
They could go to Parliament some other time, on their own or with their little possie, possibly not get a park anywhere near and still have to walk 2-300 meters or more, then just stand about on the lawn pissing and moaning about parking. FFS, get a grip, it's Wellington, there is never anywhere to park.

[Ixion]

Hey, I am just passing on general comments from 'the others' as a heads up for you guy's organising. Not pointing fingers or trying to start a fight just making sure that people realise that things could quite easily get messy.

That's fine. Messy, is when the guys in uniforms step in. Personally, I think that watching some dudes get tasered would be quite entertaining.

We WILL be making it plain to the cop-in-charge that any such messiness is nothing to do with us, and we will be totally cool with him giving his guys some taser practice.

[Str8 Jacket]

I just can't understand why so many people have their knickers in a knot.

Cause people are arseholes and its always easier to belittle those that put themselves out there and do all the work rather than help out themselves...

[Bald Eagle]

Hey, I am just passing on general comments from 'the others' as a heads up for you guy's organising. Not pointing fingers or trying to start a fight just making sure that people realise that things could quite easily get messy.

I get where your coming from and appreciate the heads up.

I have every confidence in the officers in charge being able to do three very simple things
1. Identify any problem elements early and clearly.
2. Take decisive action to contain and control them.
3. Clearly understand who is responsible for whose behaviour.

I'm there to have a democratic chat with our elected representatives. Anybody who has a different agenda is not my problem. The best of luck to them.

[pzkpfw]

It's amusing how the "I'm a biker, I'm free, I'll do what I want" types are:

A: Relying on safety in numbers, and making themselves part of the overall group. If they really are that "free" and individual, why are they coming on the 17th? Why not do their own personal protest (however they want to do it) on, like, the 18th?

B: Claiming "you can't tell me what to do", while at the same time saying they'll do whatever they want to do and screw the rest of us. (i.e. they are pretty much telling us what to do. Contradictory bastards).

It's an organised protest, and I'll be there, doing what the organisers want me to do.

The time for different kinds of protest may well come. But that's later.

[Str8 Jacket]

I get where your coming from and appreciate the heads up.

Cheers. For obvious reasons I stayed out of the conversation but kept listening and then thought it best to let those that are organising know that there are more arseholes out there than they may think....

[Ixion]

Y'know , I'd bet a pint of Speights (strongest currency I know off), that none of the "I'll do what I want and no-one's going to stop me" roosters have ever charged a police line in their lives.

It's easy to sound off to y'mates. Actually charging that line is a fuck sight harder.

Bet we don't see any of them try it.

[MSTRS]

I was just thinking the same. It's easy to stand around and talk it up. Quite another when faced with a big can of whipass...

[Trudes]

Cause people are arseholes and its always easier to belittle those that put themselves out there and do all the work rather than help out themselves...

Pretty much eh.:) Same old story isn't it, if you don't like the way something is, get off your arse and change it.

[Str8 Jacket]

I was just thinking the same. It's easy to stand around and talk it up. Quite another when faced with a big can of whipass...

Exactly! Still you just never know, someone might accidentally take the 'Blue' pill that morning instead of their normal yellow....

At the end of the day the majority of people will do us proud. Unfortunately the arsewipes always ruin things for everyone else in NZ.

[Pixie]

One question: Where would Chuck Norris park?

Where would Jesus park?

[StoneY]

Cause people are arseholes and its always easier to belittle those that put themselves out there and do all the work rather than help out themselves...

Chur bro

Thanks, your intel IS well appreciated.
We see where your coming from and appreciate your support

Spread the word, we did this FOR everyone not JUST KB users, and they dont HAVE to like what we arranged, but would be fools to test the resolve of the Parliamentary Security Plan, its actually designed to protect our Seat Of Government....we were welcomed as guests, and should behave as such

[k2w3]

Where would Jesus park?

Where Chuck Norris tells him to park.

[Subike]

I think you will find that the 1% who think right now they will "just do their thing" will suddenly become humble and compliant when surrounded by hundreds of bikes with peacfull intent.
Sure you will get the FUCK YOU brigade,
but
When it comes to puch and shove the FUCK YOU brigade will not be seen.
As there will be such a huge gathering of sencibile people, the sencibile attitude will squash the egos of them.
As stated by Ixion.
We want to put fear into the govenment,
Fear that we can and will do something becuse of our numbers.
That same fear will cause the trouble makers to behave.
Keeping calm, not reacting to taunts, just being a person is all thats needed.
I feel that this whole event will bring us more atention than we expect.
Already I am seeing cage drivers being more polite to riders on the road.
We are making changes

[Maha]

Where would Jesus park?

In Chuck Norris's parking spot.

[k2w3]

That's blasphemy, is that.

[road king]

In Chuck Norris's parking spot.

Chuck Norris dosnt need a parking spot, he just keeps on riding untill his bike dies, then he simply crushes it into dust

[k2w3]

Then that begs the question - what does Chuck Norris ride?

The correct answer, of course, is anything he chooses, but I'm guessing He would choose Honda.

[Taz]

Do you think 6000 bikes on this ride is achievable? I'm hoping so but think half that number would be more likely due to the weekday date and possible inclement weather :( . Don't get me wrong I'll be there as I was for the Ulysses manukau meet but was surprised that there were so few at that meet and it was on a beautiful sunny saturday.

[StoneY]

Yes it was the Red Squad. Sure felt like a brigade to me tho!!!
Still - that sort of shit might be needed later. Not for the bikoi.
(Can I have a stella instead of a speights?)

And thats what i hope we all feel like on the day

17th for the Ghandi approach...18th we GO TO WAR

But on the 17th we give peace a chance

[Azi Dahaka]

We need to remember the police are not our enemies so we should respect them. They are merely doing their jobs like the rest of us slaving away doing ours. We are going to parliament to get our voices heard and as it has been said if we do anything STUPID which encumbers just about everything other than standing there the thousands of bikers coming from all corners of the country will be a waste of time.

The media will portray us as a bunch of idiots and the idiots in cages will hate us more than they do at the moment. And if they don’t hate us they will lose respect for us. We have a god-forsaken cause we are trying to promote. Take a page from Gandhi passive protest is the most effective type of protest out there. If we want to be noted positively ACT ACCORDINGLY.

If anything turns into anything like a riot I am walking away because I refuse to be part of something like that we are a democracy why don’t we act like one even if the govt isn’t. We will show them how people are apposed to this by standing up and being counted.

I have said enough.

[Voltaire]

If things get really out of hand, I'll find a phone booth and change into SUPERCARDYMAN

After a hard day of battling the evil ACC....


BA CARDI......the prefered drink of SUPERCARDY.:apint:

[k2w3]

We've been told alright. I'm not going to argue. Would hate to be accused by our detractors of infighting in the ranks.

[Karl08]

But would Chuck Norris wave?

Or would the planet just shake back and forth for him?

As someone who has been active in protests (both peaceful and otherwise), and been asked to "move along", and has also been put down by our friends in blue (who are just doing their job) since 1984. I have a couple of insights I would like to offer:

Those that "talk it up" the most when it comes to "not following the protest guidelines" are never in it for the long haul- they want some "biff", excitement, or they just want to shit stir. I have seen the police wade in to a peaceful vigil because one (yes one) egg was thrown.

Speaking from experience, the organizers have done an incredible job- esp. given the diverse nature of views and opinions we all share. We have one chance to get this right, the media and govt would get good mileage out of ride that went to custard. The media want the next headline and lead story- lets all decide to give the only one option: a good one.

The majority of people that turn up on a protest march just follow the person in front- they are often aware of the starting point, but very few ever know where they will be ending up. All the "lone rangers" who are talking doing there own thing, can do their own thing some other time- although experience dictates that they probably wont even try.

Look forward to riding with you all on Tuesday.

[Jantar]

This thread is starting to get out of hand. I would ask everyone to tone it down.

The organisers are doing a great job, and if anyone disagree's with what they are doing then I would ask that you make a positive alternative suggestion, or organise your own protest ride. Any more outbursts like the 17 messages I've just moved to PD and this whole thread will go there as well.