Sunday 22 November - Auckland

[k2w3]

Especially when "Bike: yes" is entered. I might be paranoid, but that looks mighty suspicious.

[Mully]

Especially when "Bike: yes" is entered. I might be paranoid, but that looks mighty suspicious.

Which is the same as location:

"I ride a Yes to my home in Yes"

[GOONR]

Just looked at the number of registered people 115 so far.:blink:

"Auckland - Rolling Protest Ride" had 113 registered and look how many people turned up.

[Tank]

Just looked at the number of registered people 115 so far.:blink:

"Auckland - Rolling Protest Ride" had 113 registered and look how many people turned up.

I wasnt there - how many did turn up (lots more - or loads less)?

[GOONR]

I wasnt there - how many did turn up (lots more - or loads less)?

I think it was about 300 - 350 on the ride and about 500ish at the Domain. Some one will be along soon with the right numbers no doubt, but it was along those lines..

[Tank]

I think it was about 300 - 350 on the ride and about 500ish at the Domain. Some one will be along soon with the right numbers no doubt, but it was along those lines..

Cool - I had visions of horror like the ACC Albany ride where there was only one guy who turned up.

Its getting a lot of publicity - so I wouldn't be surprised if there were even more. I know that my 'Ill be attending' is for another 5 guys who don't come onto KB as well.

I also think that there will be more trouble with traffic than normal as I would not be surprised if (now its been in the paper / radio / TV) if lots of non-bikers try to come down to see the all the bikes.

Here's hoping that the weather holds out - a sunny day will help make it more successful (30% chance of rain at the moment)

[Reckless]

I think the Wellington rallye was brilliant but I can't see how we will win any support by pissing Mission Bay users off. I don't see this as particularly productive nor as a means of advancing the cause. I don't live in Auckland so won't be attending, if I did I would likely show up in solidarity but I think this type of protest is still not going to do us any favors, and having the media there is likely to to publicize this thing negatively. Just sayin>>>>

The National gubberment will be expecting things to die down after the big rally. There is also lots of us that couldn't go to Wgtn, did the regional one and still want to contribute!!
We have to show them our commitment, they have to know we will not go away and sooner or later Joe Bloe public will get the message Dick Myth and National tells lies. We do not have full page ads or Ministerial access to news media, we just have our unity! They give us no choice but to fight in the streets!

Also this is fast becoming not about our rego increases its about fundamentally SAVING ACC as we know it!

I might start a new thread that could well be our new mission statement! Now that might get Joe public behind us! Stick with the Woodhouse/ no fault system etc

Bikers want to SAVE ACC!! Join us!

Just an Idea??

[GOONR]

Cool - I had visions of horror like the ACC Albany ride where there was only one guy who turned up.

Its getting a lot of publicity - so I wouldn't be surprised if there were even more. I know that my 'Ill be attending' is for another 5 guys who don't come onto KB as well.

I also think that there will be more trouble with traffic than normal as I would not be surprised if (now its been in the paper / radio / TV) if lots of non-bikers try to come down to see the all the bikes.

Here's hoping that the weather holds out - a sunny day will help make it more successful (30% chance of rain at the moment)

Yeah, should be a good turn out. We just need to keep to the game plan that mom and other's are working on!!

[Ixion]

Y'know, the PERFECT way to address those concerns, would be for bikers to park up in all the spaces.

Then, when they see a car looking for a park, a noble biker beckons to the car, says " I see you are looking for a park. I'll give you mine and share with that bike there, I can do that because I'm on a motorcycle. But if the goovernment tax us off the road, I'll be forced into a car, and I wouldn't be able to assist you, Here , ahve a leaflet".

Moves bike, grateful public, message conveyed. next car park that come empty, bike takes it, rinse lather repeat.

That shows us as good guys, AND gets our message across.

[Mom]

Y'know, the PERFECT way to address those concerns, would be for bikers to park up in all the spaces.

Then, when they see a car looking for a park, a noble biker beckons to the car, says " I see you are looking for a park. I'll give you mine and share with that bike there, I can do that because I'm on a motorcycle. But if the goovernment tax us off the road, I'll be forced into a car, and I wouldn't be able to assist you, Here , ahve a leaflet".

Moves bike, grateful public, message conveyed. next car park that come empty, bike takes it, rinse lather repeat.

That shows us as good guys, AND gets our message across.

I like very much :yes:

[GOONR]

Y'know, the PERFECT way to address those concerns, would be for bikers to park up in all the spaces.

Then, when they see a car looking for a park, a noble biker beckons to the car, says " I see you are looking for a park. I'll give you mine and share with that bike there, I can do that because I'm on a motorcycle. But if the goovernment tax us off the road, I'll be forced into a car, and I wouldn't be able to assist you, Here , ahve a leaflet".

Moves bike, grateful public, message conveyed. next car park that come empty, bike takes it, rinse lather repeat.

That shows us as good guys, AND gets our message across.

Spot on :)

[Tank]

Y'know, the PERFECT way to address those concerns, would be for bikers to park up in all the spaces.

Then, when they see a car looking for a park, a noble biker beckons to the car, says " I see you are looking for a park. I'll give you mine and share with that bike there, I can do that because I'm on a motorcycle. But if the goovernment tax us off the road, I'll be forced into a car, and I wouldn't be able to assist you, Here , ahve a leaflet".

Moves bike, grateful public, message conveyed. next car park that come empty, bike takes it, rinse lather repeat.

That shows us as good guys, AND gets our message across.

HOWEVER - you would need to ensure ALL the parks are taken up and have been for a while BEFORE doing this - else TV3 comes down and finds all the carparks are full with, well, cars - then its just a normal day down Misison Bay.

There HAS to be some disruption for people to notice. Yes - a few people looking for parks will be pissed - BUT it will make a bigger story and get more attention if it remains as was originally stated - and would have a better change of changing Smiths position (which is more important than pissing off a few soccor moms (even if they are hot)

[orographic]

As the media picked up, you cannot expect people who are informed to silently accept the Minister's selective use of accident figures - he was conveniently overlooking that the number of motorcycles has nearly doubled over ten years and the increase in total accidents is minimal, the decrease per vehicle substantial.

The Minister had that point discussed in the meeting and choose to again selectively just say from a particular year (a year when motorcycles were down to about their lowest level of use) accidents had increased - had he used a year in the 1970s or 1980s he could have said how impressed he was with the decrease in accidents instead!

More impressive, one must assume many of the nearly doubled number of motorcycles on the road are either less experienced or returning riders - if we increase training and education for ALL road users, including stopping the "I didn't see you (because I didn't look)" incidents that happen too often causing injury to motorcycles, bicyclists, pedestrians and other cars, we can decrease demands on our ACC system, and more importantly save people suffering trauma.


It is hard to convince those who look at the figures that ACC is unsustainable. Saying it does not make it so.

Yours and my car levies will have increased an average of about 50% a year over three years, plus whatever increase they settle on for my motorcycle.

Our work levies will increase hundreds of dollars a year, silently siphoned from our pay.

Why?

To add to the surplus ACC is taking in EVERY year - last year it took in $4.1b in levies and paid out only $3.1billion in claims and its own running costs. That's a billion dollars spare to bank. Would that you or I had that sort of problem!!

To add to the $11billion ACC has in the bank/investments. Do any of us agree with the guesstimates that say it is in deficit because of actuarial smoke and mirrors? Having 3x what you spend each year as reserves is a pretty solid position. Especially if you invest in injury prevention to reduce future costs.

Why would you need to build up the family silver in the bank, and come up with estimates that pretend to a deficit? Is it intended to sell the ACC silver at a discount?

Policy 101 - what impacts will these proposals have on other areas?

1. Preventing people from accessing effective treatment slows recovery and return as far as possible to productive, healthy lives (and often in the long term costs more for treatment). This costs people, and the economy.

2. How much does it cost (or save per year if you can delay the need for it) for roading measures to increase congestion? On this measure alone, the proposed ACC changes will cost the Government and taxpayer far more than they would take in.

3. This also doesn't allow for the likely effect that fewer vehicles will be registered - people with classic bikes will trailer them places rather than pay a year's levy to go to one or two collectors meets! People with more vehicles are likely to give up owning/registering many in disgust at paying such high costs when they can only be in or on one vehicle at a time.

I currently pay 2.5 times a car levy, as like the majority of motorcyclists I have a car and a motorcycle (many have more, but let's not confuse things here). Yet ACC have the gall to use my levy money to take out full page newspaper ads trying to say I'm not paying my way!!!

The ACC ad suggests that owners of bigger or expensive cars should start looking over their shoulder too... if we can pay more for ACC on a bigger bike because some of them cost that much to insure ($750 for a $15,000 motorcycle according to ACC) then what will they look to cars to pay in time?


perhaps we should put those numbers out there, a couple of nice graphs.. things like numbers of accidents per registered vehicle in class etc
I have yet to personally see the raw numbers, but we should stop ACC from controlling the publics understanding of the statistics
perhaps pit a side by side compare of levy take to date for each class as well?

hell if someone can point me at the numbers, I'll see what I can produce for sunday morn, ( unless someone has already beaten me to it)

[Ixion]

HOWEVER - you would need to ensure ALL the parks are taken up and have been for a while BEFORE doing this - else TV3 comes down and finds all the carparks are full with, well, cars - then its just a normal day down Misison Bay.



good point. So maybe reserve the noble gesture for cars that have gone round a couple of times, or have kids in them (or old folk). And enssure that there is always a significant number of spaces filled with bikes.

Can still be noble bikers , making point without disruption, for the press.

Beauty is, it enables us to control the disruption. Enough to make our point, without pissing TOO many people off.

if the number of pissed offs is less than the number of gratefuls, we're ahead of the game.

[AD345]

good point. So maybe reserve the noble gesture for cars that have gone round a couple of times, or have kids in them (or old folk). And enssure that there is always a significant number of spaces filled with bikes.

Can still be noble bikers , making point without disruption, for the press.

Great theory - just about impossible in practice.

Even money that the old folk are blue ribbons come down for a morning coffee from Paratai Drive and when you give them a park they'll totter out of their cars and scream bloody blue murder anyway.

A better idea would be to pull the pin at 10:00am on the dot and leave the gentlefolk to their Sundays having made our point

[Mully]

I like very much :yes:

+1

Might be a bit hard to work the logistics of that out though. (i.e. how do you stay with your bike while you're having brekkie and a coffee over the road to support the retailers?)

[Ixion]

+1

Might be a bit hard to work the logistics of that out though. (i.e. how do you stay with your bike while you're having brekkie and a coffee over the road to support the retailers?)


that's OK. We don't have to get EVERY punter. Just have a rolling roster of noble bikers willing to provide a space for desperate car drivers.

[FastBikeGear]

good point. So maybe reserve the noble gesture for cars that have gone round a couple of times, or have kids in them (or old folk). And enssure that there is always a significant number of spaces filled with bikes.

Can still be noble bikers , making point without disruption, for the press.

Beauty is, it enables us to control the disruption. Enough to make our point, without pissing TOO many people off.

if the number of pissed offs is less than the number of gratefuls, we're ahead of the game.

I've been sitting on the fence on whether to attend this demonstration as I wasn't keen to inconvenience the very public that we need support from and I wasn't confident we could demonstrate the point that bikes take up less space.

Ixion's idea is brilliant it allows us to demonstrate how few car parks we take up when we ride bikes as opposed to driving our cars!

Perhaps I cn suggest a fruther refinement.... We could set a time (e.g. 12:00 pm) to all do this or concertina up and park four or more bikes to a car park?

We could alert the press that we will be doing this at 12:00 am so that they catch and film the point we are making?

[DidJit]

Even money that the old folk are blue ribbons come down for a morning coffee from Paratai Drive and when you give them a park they'll totter out of their cars and scream bloody blue murder anyway.

A better idea would be to pull the pin at 10:00am on the dot and leave the gentlefolk to their Sundays having made our point

1 Sunday out of 52 in the year ain't gonna kill 'em to have to walk a bit further. Besides, they might like to admire all the bling on display on their way to the cafés. :blip:

And +1 on pulling out by 10:00.

[Tank]

And +1 on pulling out by 10:00.

The number of times I've had to pull out on the count of 10 (hangs head in shame)

[Kiwi Graham]

Y'know, the PERFECT way to address those concerns, would be for bikers to park up in all the spaces.

Then, when they see a car looking for a park, a noble biker beckons to the car, says " I see you are looking for a park. I'll give you mine and share with that bike there, I can do that because I'm on a motorcycle. But if the goovernment tax us off the road, I'll be forced into a car, and I wouldn't be able to assist you, Here , ahve a leaflet".

Moves bike, grateful public, message conveyed. next car park that come empty, bike takes it, rinse lather repeat.

That shows us as good guys, AND gets our message across.


I like very much :yes:


HOWEVER - you would need to ensure ALL the parks are taken up and have been for a while BEFORE doing this - else TV3 comes down and finds all the carparks are full with, well, cars - then its just a normal day down Misison Bay.

There HAS to be some disruption for people to notice. Yes - a few people looking for parks will be pissed - BUT it will make a bigger story and get more attention if it remains as was originally stated - and would have a better change of changing Smiths position (which is more important than pissing off a few soccor moms (even if they are hot)


good point. So maybe reserve the noble gesture for cars that have gone round a couple of times, or have kids in them (or old folk). And enssure that there is always a significant number of spaces filled with bikes.

Can still be noble bikers , making point without disruption, for the press.

Beauty is, it enables us to control the disruption. Enough to make our point, without pissing TOO many people off.

if the number of pissed offs is less than the number of gratefuls, we're ahead of the game.


+1

Might be a bit hard to work the logistics of that out though. (i.e. how do you stay with your bike while you're having brekkie and a coffee over the road to support the retailers?)

All valid points;

The reason we are filling car spaces is to peacefully demonstrate that if the bike is priced of the road this space would be filled by another car (a cheaper alternative) If we give up the space for a car it will just look like a car park in a matter of a few minuets and the impact of our statement will be lost.

There is nothing in Mission Bay that cannot be acquired else where so the inconvenience will be tolerable by the vast majority I believe.

The ‘park in’ perhaps should be time limited say 10-11am, when we all leave the impact will be felt again by the sudden availability of spaces and those of us that stay on, park in bike spaces (or the little areas we all know about) and shows again how bikes have a minimal impact on other road users.

Disruption is inevitable its about how we educate those disrupted thats important.

[aahsv]

Too many cooks in this kitchen:confused:

[Kiwi Graham]

Too many cooks in this kitchen:confused:

My thoughts too.

[RiderInBlack]

At this stage it will be noon by the time we Whangarei riders will arrive for Coffee and Lunch at Mission Bay. Please decide what your plans are about the "parking" at that time, cause if we don't know the plan at that time, we end up screwing it up for you by doing the one-bike-one-parking-space thing. Will need to know soon so I know what ot recommend to the riders up here. If it is all over by 10am then there will be little point in us going down. To arrive at 10am, we would have to leave here at 7:30am. Don't think I would get many takers on that time of departure.

Please use the K.I.S.S system, OK.

[Maha]

At this stage it will be noon by the time we Whangarei riders will arrive for Coffee and Lunch at Mission Bay. Please decide what your plans are about the "parking" at that time, cause if we don't know the plan at that time, we end up screwing it up for you by doing the one-bike-one-parking-space thing. Will need to know soon so I know what ot recommend to the riders up here. If it is all over by 10am then there will be little point in us going down. To arrive at 10am, we would have to leave here at 7:30am. Don't think I would get many takers on that time of departure.

Please use the K.I.S.S system, OK.

By noon Doug, I can probably say that I/we will be on our way back to Puhoi for the worlds greatest chicken strip burger and a weeeeee tot...(of lemonade) :shifty:

[Maha]

Too many cooks in this kitchen:confused:

Yip!

Turn up, find a park, grab something to eat and drink, listen to whats being said, make some nosie, chew the fat and then.....leave.

Leave knowing that you have been to one of the largest Bike Protest Auckland has seen, last week was the largest for a number of years, this may eclipse last week.

[billybobo13]

On a lighter note, as a relative newcomer to the biking scene its going to be a blast getting to walk around a whole different range of bikes on Sunday. The anticipation is mounting...

[Mully]

Too many cooks in this kitchen

and the silver spoon
Little Boy Blue and the man in the moon...

(oh sorry, that's "cat's in the cradle")

[rob 0]

i was in wellington at the protest and it pissed me off that the bike comunity still dont know whats going on with the ACC or what exacly they are protesting about;

now dont get me wrong,i dont want to pay $850 per year
we all know the facts and depending on whitch side you lisen to they are both in the right (except nick the prick and he will allwas be a twat)

the 11 billion that tresury "borrowed" from ACC, means ACC is broke
and the 1 billion profit that ACC made this year is "invested"
so ACC is probably having to borrow money

the government needs to give our money back to where it belongs
and stop future funding of claims

its not Natonal's fault that they inherited the styem ,but as caretakers of the country they should show some leadership and suport the peoples request
instead of trying to line their mates pockets with gold

the people put you there and they can take you out again
look at last time you screwed with ACC you where out the next vote

but the facts are that tresury has our money

ALL of New Zealanders money !

we should be trying to get that mesage across

$11,000,000,000 is a lot of cash

and its ours for ACC not for the govt use as a cash cow

[Del Fuego]

Splendid Idea... I live in the bay so save me a seat at mecca (now mission bay cafe) however... 8am you say? pretty sure I will be sleeping lol. Noone in the bay till like 11 anyway :)

[billybobo13]

Im confused Rob O. Whos really to blame then? A vast majority of bikers just know that the Price of owning and operating a Motorcycle will go up. As far as im concerned, whoever made the proposals to blame for targeting Motorcyclist only which to me is unfair.

[rob 0]

they arn't only targeting m/c, cars up to a $400 ACC levy + road tax will take them to $550 aprox

and I have 2 of those

we need the suport of car drivers

we pay money to lots of govt departments but the govt doesn't use the money for what we pay it for

eg petrol tax gos to fund NZ on AIR
tax on smokes funds fat peoples health care

our acc money is probably funding the natonal debt interest

[billybobo13]

thanks Rob, i've got a clearer picture of whats going on now.

[Maha]

they arn't only targeting m/c, cars up to a $400 ACC levy + road tax will take them to $550 aprox

and I have 2 of those

we need the suport of car drivers

we pay money to lots of govt departments but the govt doesn't use the money for what we pay it for

eg petrol tax gos to fund NZ on AIR
tax on smokes funds fat peoples health care

our acc money is probably funding the natonal debt interest

Yip, almost a billion dollars each in cigarette tax.
To all you smokers, keep on smoking, the Government need your dollars, if they loose that income, they will have to find that money from somewhere else.

[GOONR]

Yip, almost a billion dollars each in cigarette tax.
To all you smokers, keep on smoking, the Government need your dollars, if they loose that income, they will have to find that money from somewhere else.

And who said smoking is bad.....

[Mom]

I have ammended the first post with the updated details. Please take the time to read it.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112831

Edit: update on the update - I sound like Maha :love: Fuxed now.

[PhantasmNZ]

Cheers to whoever distributed flyers out at Symonds St - saved me a job - one thing though - assuming that same someone did the Civic - I also swung past the civic and started putting out flyers (there were none visible) - then I saw a single one that had slid down the screen of a bike.

one of the construction blokes there (well 2 actually) warned me "don't get caught doing that" - I told them I didn't really care and I was going to do it anyway - BUT they told me that the council guys had been round half an hour earlier and **REMOVED** all the flyers from the bikes (cheeky b*tards).

I flyered them all again anyway (making sure to 'hide' them a bit better) - and gave one of the construction guys too a stack to give out in the pub :niceone:

Be aware the Civic car park people are flyer Nazis - for the next protest might be better to get a volunteer to hang around the bikes at about 5 to hand them out personally.

This is clearly not a council policy - because there were a bunch of bikes (that obviously rarely move) in the downtown parking building that still had the flyer for the teddy bear run ride I'd put on there last week.

[Mom]

This is clearly not a council policy - because there were a bunch of bikes (that obviously rarely move) in the downtown parking building that still had the flyer for the teddy bear run ride I'd put on there last week.


Blessings on you and your family!

[PhantasmNZ]

All valid points;

The reason we are filling car spaces is to peacefully demonstrate that if the bike is priced of the road this space would be filled by another car (a cheaper alternative) If we give up the space for a car it will just look like a car park in a matter of a few minuets and the impact of our statement will be lost.

There is nothing in Mission Bay that cannot be acquired else where so the inconvenience will be tolerable by the vast majority I believe.

The ‘park in’ perhaps should be time limited say 10-11am, when we all leave the impact will be felt again by the sudden availability of spaces and those of us that stay on, park in bike spaces (or the little areas we all know about) and shows again how bikes have a minimal impact on other road users.

Disruption is inevitable its about how we educate those disrupted thats important.

Maybe we could ONLY fill up the fish pot car park and the streets but leave the other car park (BK/Mecca) free for cars - but have a mob out there distributing flyers. This way we can encourage cage drivers who want to come see, have somewhere for the old dears/disabled to park and make a point. When we've filled every available space except that car park (assuming this turns out to be massive :) ) then we can start doubling up.

We'd have to sign that car-park as no bikes please with a 'target' logo so everyone knew we were deliberately being noble...

[davereid]

BUT they told me that the council guys had been round half an hour earlier and **REMOVED** all the flyers from the bikes (cheeky b*tards).

Hmm... if that could be proved, it could well be illegal.

After all, if you put the flyer on your own bike, and the council man took it off, he has stolen your flyer !

[PhantasmNZ]

Hmm... if that could be proved, it could well be illegal.

After all, if you put the flyer on your own bike, and the council man took it off, he has stolen your flyer !

I actually had another idea for next time - putting flyers in envelopes addressed to the "owner of vehicle {rego #}". Council would have a hard time knowing what these were about unless they opened potentially private mail.

[GOONR]

I actually had another idea for next time - putting flyers in envelopes addressed to the "owner of vehicle {rego #}". Council would have a hard time knowing what these were about unless they opened potentially private mail.

That would get my attention.. I'd open and read it to see what it was about, rather than just chucking it thinking it was for some irrelevant crap

[PhantasmNZ]

I actually had another idea for next time - putting flyers in envelopes addressed to the "owner of vehicle {rego #}". Council would have a hard time knowing what these were about unless they opened potentially private mail.

I'd even go down there in my businessy clothes with a clipboard to complete the illusion :)

[Quasievil]

Cant be arsed reading the whole thread but

On Tuesday in Welly we had motorists pulling over and applauding us, we had the public standing on over bridges waving and clapping.

With this plan I bet you wont.

I cannot see the point in going out of your way as a group of bikers intentionally to piss off those people in Mission bay just wanting to exert their rights to have a nice relaxing breakfast.

How this plan will work in our favour is beyond me, with respect but dum idea in my opinion

good luck

[Mom]

good luck


Thank you. Your support is appreciated.

[PhantasmNZ]

I cannot see the point in going out of your way as a group of bikers intentionally to piss off those people in Mission bay just wanting to exert their rights to have a nice relaxing breakfast.


There's also no point in gathering together in a remote field miles away from civilisation - this would be the least disruptive action - but what would be the point....

Having said that, i do think we should seriously consider reserving some space (eg the mecca car park) for cars - who knows we might even draw some car drivers in deliberately as spectators. We can use this as positive PR (in the way we announce we will keep to a single lane on the motorway) and we end up with a win-win.

I have spoke to quite a few people (bikers and Mrs P included) who have concerns we'll piss people off - I don't think we will too much - but we can decide up front that we'll go out of our way to NOT piss people off by giving them options - whilst making the biggest show we can (imagine bikes all the way along the waterfront - much bigger statement than filling a relatively invisible car park...)

Come on people - we have the chance to make a show AND not upset people (we can even publicise we'll keep a car park open....

[k2w3]

We've done the rides. The issue needs to remain in the media spotlight and the public eye (and in front of the politicians). I think this action ups the ante a couple of notches, which is a good thing. Any better ideas?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Not trying to intrude or anything. I don't know if you guys have designed a flyer - not read the whole thread.
I just thought that with the recent stuff I've managed to get into the media, that I must be doing something right. Therefore have a look at this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129524490&postcount=25). Perhaps some of you can use it?


That's a better message. :2thumbsup

[Quasievil]

There's also no point in gathering together in a remote field miles away from civilisation - this would be the least disruptive action - but what would be the point....



Their would be no point........organising yourselves to be nothing but a pain in the arse for your fellow New Zealanders wanting to enjoy a quiet breakfast........."cause thats what they do" has no point either in my opinion.

The only thing you will achieve is encouraging negative opinion towards bikers, and possibly a few run over bikes by "oops I didnt see your bike parked there" by rich "dont give a fuck" SUV drivers.

Loving the idea about raising the profile of the cause, but do it nicely, have a few banners.......give free rides to people, give some kids the chance to sit on some bikes hand out your flyers make yourselves out to be nice considerate people, you will get nothing but praise from everyone.

Anyway, I know Im over opinionated so I should shut up

said with love people.:calm:

[The Everlasting]

I would attend this,but I'm only on a scooter atm,awaiting the purchase of a bike.

[Ixion]

Scooters is GOOD. We want more scooters. Do it.

[davereid]

These sort of protests do have their place, particularly if they are short and sharp, and don't involve private property. They are sort of the stick, of the carrot and stick.

I think we need more of these, and we have to give Mom full credit for getting stuck in.

How about the same idea, with politically driven target selection.

While the thread itself has been allowed to degenerate into a red/blue argument, Nick Smith is having a meeting to discuss climate change as detailed here - http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112791

Bikers have a legitimate interest in this, being the low footprint fellas we are, and Nix would have to explain why he is picking on the best form of transport.. not giving it fair go, in spite of its great carbon footprint.

But, the best bit would be, if all the attendees had to walk past parked motorcycles, as the parking was already full.

And if they all got some info about the protest to take in with them...

[FastBikeGear]

The only thing you will achieve is encouraging negative opinion towards bikers, and possibly a few run over bikes by "oops I didnt see your bike parked there" by rich "dont give a fuck" SUV drivers.


OK so what happens if someone does gets pissed and accidentally nudges a bike?

How is everyone going to react?

How will the press react?

[AD345]

OK so what happens if someone does gets pissed and accidentally nudges a bike?

How is everyone going to react?

How will the press react?

We'll get medieval on their ass of course.

Bit of raping, looting and pillaging and then some stomping of a new mother and her kids (plus a kitten if one is handy)

Our point is valid, our cause is just and our protest is legal.

That is enough.

[Ixion]

Back up the train.

Just around from Mission Bay is 305B Kepa Road Kohimarama. And not far off is 3/6 Polygon Road St Heliers.

And what's there?

Well, at the first, the electorate office of Allan Peachy National MP . At the second, Murray McKinnon his electorate agent.

Legitimate targets

[Tank]

Maybe we could ONLY fill up the fish pot car park and the streets but leave the other car park (BK/Mecca) free for cars - but have a mob out there distributing flyers. This way we can encourage cage drivers who want to come see, have somewhere for the old dears/disabled to park and make a point. When we've filled every available space except that car park (assuming this turns out to be massive :) ) then we can start doubling up.

We'd have to sign that car-park as no bikes please with a 'target' logo so everyone knew we were deliberately being noble...

Not specifically aimed at PhantasmNZ - bit to all people saying "lets do this, lets do that"

As someone said earlier in this thread - there are too many cooks.

The details are in the first post.

People have the choice of attending or not.

If people dont like it - and dont think that they can live with MOM's idea of a protest - dont come (go plan and arrange your own protest).

MOM has put a lot of effort into getting this off the road and Im sure it is going to be a great success - Please get behind MOM and this protest as she has arranged it.

[boomer]

see you bitchs for coffee and a cop chase.. i bet i can pull the meanest wheelie and bet the coppers cant catch me..

[klingon]

I would attend this,but I'm only on a scooter atm,awaiting the purchase of a bike.

Yay! Look forwartd to seeing you and all your scootery friends there! :D

[Reckless]

I would attend this,but I'm only on a scooter atm,awaiting the purchase of a bike.

I'll be on my sons little Vtr 250 with L plates mate! But it still takes up a carpark!! Gotta be in to win!!

[The Everlasting]

Yay! Look forwartd to seeing you and all your scootery friends there! :D




Hehe,I will have my GSF Bandit in a few days..:D:D:D

[PhantasmNZ]

Not specifically aimed at PhantasmNZ .

...and I hope not too... have worked my butt (and my printer's butt) of designing, printing and distrubuting flyers to the universe ;)

Seriously though - absolutely - I agree - support Mom as much as we can - that doesn't mean there's no room for discussion though ... but it really is Mom's call at the end of the day.

Whatever the decisions, whatever the weather, I'll be there!! (and my bike'll get another chance to wear it's flags!)

(for the record though... I won't be at any of the shopping malls)

[Mom]

I would attend this,but I'm only on a scooter atm,awaiting the purchase of a bike.

You are exactly who we want to attend. This protest was primarily designed so that scooters and learners and anyone else could ride to attend. This affects you as much as it affects any one on two wheels. Frankly it affects everybody, should they but realise it.


Back up the train.

Sorry, no backing up of this train. It is happening as I have planned. First post spells it out fairly clearly. Park up, make some noise, have a feed and bugger off. My plans end there.

[Mom]

Without putting too fine a point on this. Read the first post. That is now set in stone.

[PhantasmNZ]

Without putting too fine a point on this. Read the first post. That is now set in stone.

...and with that, Mom made her call....

:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup


EDIT: - oh and sorry Mom - please don't send me to my room ... :crybaby:

[Quasievil]

Park up, make some noise, have a feed and bugger off. My plans end there.

Good on ya to I say, dont have to agree 100% but passion is great


Pussies tho for not doing it at the Otara markets tho, block those fuckers from getting into there and I will be impressed BWAAAAHHHH

[DidJit]

Pussies tho for not doing it at the Otara markets tho, block those fuckers from getting into there and I will be impressed BWAAAAHHHH

I think you'll find that "those fuckers" would be more receptive to our cause than Mission Bay's regulars. Having a bit to do with "those fuckers" I can say they are already aware of the planned ACC rego hikes on their cars, of the government's plans to sell off assets, and of the added strain and pressure this will place on their already stretched budgets. More than can be said for the blue ribbon brigade.

Yes, I realise you were being light-hearted. Just saying is all. As you were.

[klingon]

Good on ya to I say, dont have to agree 100% but passion is great


Pussies tho for not doing it at the Otara markets tho, block those fuckers from getting into there and I will be impressed BWAAAAHHHH

The unfortunate reality is that more people in Mission Bay are likely to be voters and politically active (especially in the National Party) than at the Otara Markets.

If we want to influence the decision-makers, we need to be at Mission Bay.

[klingon]

I think you'll find that "those fuckers" would be more receptive to our cause than Mission Bay's regulars. Having a bit to do with "those fuckers" I can say they are already aware of the planned ACC rego hikes on their cars, of the government's plans to sell off assets, and of the added strain and pressure this will place on their already stretched budgets. More than can be said for the blue ribbon brigade.

Yes, I realise you were being light-hearted. Just saying is all. As you were.


The unfortunate reality is that more people in Mission Bay are likely to be voters and politically active (especially in the National Party) than at the Otara Markets.

If we want to influence the decision-makers, we need to be at Mission Bay.

Heh. Seems we both received the same memo instructing us to be ernest. :D

[Dean]

block those fuckers from getting into there and I will be impressed BWAAAAHHHH

Id be happy to help contribute and plan a protest in Otara markets if anyones keen I know quite a few who live there. Infact if anyone is brave enough to make plans, pm me, the markets are sprawling with people.

[Maha]

Good on ya to I say, dont have to agree 100% but passion is great


Pussies tho for not doing it at the Otara markets tho, block those fuckers from getting into there and I will be impressed BWAAAAHHHH

No need to go there, the 'Otara Warlords' are coming to Mission Bay.

[klingon]

Hehe,I will have my GSF Bandit in a few days..:D:D:D

But in a few days breakfast will be over... and you'll be very hungry :wacko:

[TOTO]

cool. 152 people registered already just from KB.

Distributted about 180 fliers today to the various bike parks in auckland city and also in the 4 main bike shops plus left a whole heap at cycletreads. Cant wait to see what the turnout is gonna be :banana:

[Mom]

cool. 152 people registered already just from KB.

Distributted about 180 fliers today to the various bike parks in auckland city and also in the 4 main bike shops plus left a whole heap at cycletreads. Cant wait to see what the turnout is gonna be :banana:

Maha was kind enough to suggest just now it could be a bit like the Telstra Clear gathering :pinch:

I think I am going to start sucking throat lozenges now in anticipation :lol:

[aahsv]

We've done the rides. The issue needs to remain in the media spotlight and the public eye (and in front of the politicians). I think this action ups the ante a couple of notches, which is a good thing. Any better ideas?

+1 - eg a fat lot of good came from a passive $9million referendum on the anti-smacking law :2guns:

[PhantasmNZ]

Maha was kind enough to suggest just now it could be a bit like the Telstra Clear gathering :pinch:

I think I am going to start sucking throat lozenges now in anticipation :lol:

Anyone sorted a PA? or at least a megaphone?

I'm guessing we've invited Phill Goff again? (but maybe he could do a different speech? - I've heard about his three bikes a couple too many times now! lol)

[flyingcrocodile46]

Back up the train.

Just around from Mission Bay is 305B Kepa Road Kohimarama. And not far off is 3/6 Polygon Road St Heliers.

And what's there?

Well, at the first, the electorate office of Allan Peachy National MP . At the second, Murray McKinnon his electorate agent.

Legitimate targets





Mission Bay is good. The spill over could go to St Helliers (local Nat MP office in an apartment one street back from the main road (Polygon Rd) so local businesses don't have far to go to whine at their MP :laugh:


If he ain't at his office (on a Sunday????) it isn't of much value.:(

I also subscribe to the too many cooks theory.

Many others have good ideas but it is probably better to leave them out of this thread now. Save them for a new thread for the next one.

I'm quite liking Quasimoto's thoughts regards a concerted effort to further win the public over with a 'see me, feel me' approach to set them in the right frame of mind to absorb our warnings and messages regarding where we believe the govt is heading with the fattening up of ACC reserves via increased levies across the board... rather than re-typing I'll quote my earlier post...

Would be nice to have a few KISS placards for the public to reflect on (stimulate righteous paranoia). Perhaps some simple but revealing statistical equation based on their figures that don't add up?.

Make much ado about the fact that ACC has an 11 billion$ reserve... I really liked that 'he's no trout' Professor's explanation of how they propose to fatten and re-brand the ACC as an 'ACC Insurance' cash cow with a 24 billion dollar reserve and govt guaranteed income stream, for sale to the highest bidders.

Make a big deal about how everybody's earner premium is going to increase along with other selected risk groups as well. That'll piss the public off (pissed with the govt).

What an underhanded way to raise funds and enslave the taxpayer eh? Wouldn't it be more honest to just go and borrow the hundreds of billion$ they want and enslave the taxpayer in the usual open and transparent manner as has historically been the case?

[RiderInBlack]

By noon Doug, I can probably say that I/we will be on our way back to Puhoi for the worlds greatest chicken strip burger and a weeeeee tot...(of lemonade) :shifty:
Am working a PM Shift tomorrow so 5:30am Sunday may be too fucken early for me. After Maha post I might as well forget it and go straight to Pohu as it will be all over by the time I get to Mission Bay. Hope the Protest goes well for them.

[sinfull]

I'd be impressed i'f someone moved the Otara market ! FOBWAY FTW

[mashman]

good luck to you all tomorrow

[wibble]

This is an interesting piece I bumped into, sheds some great light on the whole thing.. http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8599

[Fatt Max]

Wow, well done again Mom, looks like we are going to have a great turnout.

Looking forward to it myself...I'll be the fat pommie bastard with his ACC T shirt on over the top of his jacket.....feck me, I must be losing weight...!!

See you all in the morning......white, two sugars and three pies please luv.....

[PhantasmNZ]

This is an interesting piece I bumped into, sheds some great light on the whole thing.. http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8599

Original article from the Herald here:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604027&pnum=0

[Voltaire]

Wow, well done again Mom, looks like we are going to have a great turnout.

Looking forward to it myself...I'll be the fat pommie bastard with his ACC T shirt on over the top of his jacket.....feck me, I must be losing weight...!!

See you all in the morning......white, two sugars and three pies please luv.....

are you going to do an acoustic session...?

[Mom]

are you going to do an acoustic session...?

We had someone turn up with sounds on their bike last weekend and Fat Maxs song was playing at the start point. Be good if he comes along tomorrow too! I have forgotten his log on name though :o

[Fatt Max]

are you going to do an acoustic session...?

Ha ha ha, yeah could do...just tell me when you want everyone to disperse and I'll start playing then, that will get rid of 'em...!!

[Mom]

Ha ha ha, yeah could do...just tell me when you want everyone to disperse and I'll start playing then, that will get rid of 'em...!!

Do eeeet, just do eeeet. Bloody beautiful.

[Fatt Max]

Do eeeet, just do eeeet. Bloody beautiful.

Dont have a shoulder bag for the geetar, I'll see if one of me mates can drop it off in the cage....otherwise....erm.....anyone got a pair of spoons...??

[Mom]

Dont have a shoulder bag for the geetar, I'll see if one of me mates can drop it off in the cage....otherwise....erm.....anyone got a pair of spoons...??

I could hum if that will help :lol:

[Nasty]

Dont have a shoulder bag for the geetar, I'll see if one of me mates can drop it off in the cage....otherwise....erm.....anyone got a pair of spoons...??

Mom's got spoons .. I hear shes a bit of a stirrer!!:whistle:

[Qkkid]

Mom's got spoons .. I hear shes a bit of a stirrer!!:whistle:

:cool: Thats not very nice Young lady:whistle:

[Fatt Max]

I could hum if that will help :lol:

Brilliant, you're on....we could be called "Mom and the KB Hummers"....hang on, thats a car...forget it, lets just whistle and drive all the labradors on the beach fecking crazy.....

[mashman]

Dont have a shoulder bag for the geetar, I'll see if one of me mates can drop it off in the cage....otherwise....erm.....anyone got a pair of spoons...??

if you think these are any good, you can have em

They tried to rip us off and we said NO
They kept on doing it, to Parliament WE did go
"We want the ACC" is what the people said
The Governemnt looked at us and just shook their head

Well we have decided to take them all to task
Because we want to know what's behind the financial mask
Pull back the curtains oh wizards up on high
We want to see what OUR money can buy

We want a system, the same as ACC
Not some pyramid scheme for DE Insurance Company
Do as we ask, because we ALL are YOUR boss
Turn your head again and it could be at YOUR cost

UGH!!!!

insert chanting mob at parliament

[klingon]

Ha ha ha, yeah could do...just tell me when you want everyone to disperse and I'll start playing then, that will get rid of 'em...!!


Do eeeet, just do eeeet. Bloody beautiful.

I SECOND THAT! (Oops forgot this isn't a BRONZ meeting)

Seriously Max, I'm your biggest fan :2thumbsup and it would be fantastic to have you play your song live. Even if the Scary Bikers have to send a taxi to drag you and your geetar along! :girlfight:

[Mom]

I SECOND THAT! (Oops forgot this isn't a BRONZ meeting)

Seriously Max, I'm your biggest fan :2thumbsup and it would be fantastic to have you play your song live. Even if the Scary Bikers have to send a taxi to drag you and your geetar along! :girlfight:

Hmmm, now thre is a thought :blip:

[PhantasmNZ]

I SECOND THAT! (Oops forgot this isn't a BRONZ meeting)

Seriously Max, I'm your biggest fan :2thumbsup and it would be fantastic to have you play your song live. Even if the Scary Bikers have to send a taxi to drag you and your geetar along! :girlfight:

I THIRD IT (is there such a thing?) - would be great publicity to have live music :) maybe get primetime news coverage!

[k2w3]

The KB Hummers - could also mean you really REALLY smell bad.

[Mom]

I just checked the people registered and we currnetly have 172! I dont believe that I have ever seen so many say they will be attending an event on here in the time I have been a member, I suspect this may well be a site record. Spankme may be able to find out if that is true. Given the numbers registered, and the amount of time limited publicity we have done, I believe we can expect a reasonable number will turn up on the day. It is going to be fantastic!

I just want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this happen tomorrow. You all know who you are. I dont want to name a list as I know there are many that just quietly go about doing, and there are also many people that have helped out inadvertantly too :dodge: Though I would actually like to publicly thank my youngest daughter, she has cooked twice since Wednesday, and also my darling hubby, who has cooked once.

Seems I dont belong in the kitchen after all :killingme

Thank you!

[Maha]

Mmmmmmm yeah Butter Chicken Wraps.........:2thumbsup

[Pixie]

Brilliant, you're on....we could be called "Mom and the KB Hummers"....hang on, thats a car...forget it, lets just whistle and drive all the labradors on the beach fecking crazy.....

"Hummer" is a colloquialism you may not want to associate with. :lol:

[Gizzit]

I'm Looking forward to the day !!

Any other riders from Whangarei going down ?? I'm leaving here about 6am.

[DIN PELENDA]

I be there on R1 with my girl as pillion and my wife will bring rest of kids in silver 4WD and 5 push-bike's for kids as we often go there. Hope to found me some car-park :Playnice: so if you see me moving some bike's to get my family in don't mind me. Be good for kids to see all bike's there, my 4 year old twins will go nuts :banana: !
Din

[Kiwi Graham]

I be there on R1 with my girl as pillion and my wife will bring rest of kids in silver 4WD and 5 push-bike's for kids as we often go there. Hope to found me some car-park :Playnice: so if you see me moving some bike's to get my family in don't mind me. Be good for kids to see all bike's there, my 4 year old twins will go nuts :banana: !
Din

What time are you coming I want to watch :lol:

[Maha]

I be there on R1 with my girl as pillion and my wife will bring rest of kids in silver 4WD and 5 push-bike's for kids as we often go there. Hope to found me some car-park :Playnice: so if you see me moving some bike's to get my family in don't mind me. Be good for kids to see all bike's there, my 4 year old twins will go nuts :banana: !
Din

You guys will need a cafe' to yourselves...:lol:

[DIN PELENDA]

What time are you coming I want to watch :lol:

Before 8am and I'm thinking to bring 2 kids dirt bikes PW50 and 125 pit bike to do some damage on grass :lol::oi-grr: better not!

[caseye]

Yeah ya better not or I'll have to deal with ya! LOL hey mate make sure your'e wearing "THAT SHIRT" won'tcha! C U there.

[DIN PELENDA]

You guys will need a cafe' to yourselves...:lol:
We often go to Riva cafe for lunch they do meals from back home and we are just about fill it up !

[PhantasmNZ]

Yeah ya better not or I'll have to deal with ya! LOL hey mate make sure your'e wearing "THAT SHIRT" won'tcha! C U there.

Absobloodylutely - wouldn't be a protest without your shirt Din... Was good to see it in welly too :)

[Dean]

Last little appeal: Anyone willing to hold a pillion for the brunch or carpool, Ill find my way getting home.

[Maha]

We often go to Riva cafe for lunch they do meals from back home and we are just about fill it up !

I think Spank wants to buy some Pancakes from there, let him first eh? or he could just slot in as part of your family...:2thumbsup

Top effort in getting the whole family there.

[DidJit]

I think Spank wants to buy some Pancakes from there, let him first eh? or he could just slot in as part of your family...:2thumbsup

Top effort in getting the whole family there.

Does Riva do pancakes?!? I'll be in that queue! I miss a good pannekoeken huis...

[Maha]

Does Riva do pancakes?!? I'll be in that queue! I miss a good pannekoeken huis...

Yes I posted on Thursday, heres the link to the Cafes in Mission Bay.
Once opened, click on Riva ...

http://www.missionbay.co.nz/default.asp?s1=Cafes%20Restaurants%20n%20Bars

[DidJit]

Yes I posted on Thursday, here's the link to the Cafes in Mission Bay.
Once opened, click on Riva ...

http://www.missionbay.co.nz/default.asp?s1=Cafes%20Restaurants%20n%20Bars

Thank you kindly, good sir.

[DIN PELENDA]

Yeah ya better not or I'll have to deal with ya! LOL hey mate make sure your'e wearing "THAT SHIRT" won'tcha! C U there.

I know you will but you know me better I'm not that stupid . I wouldn't like anyone spoiling this and just if anyone decide to do burnout or vi-lees there is little police station at centre of T intersection , the only building (that one and the toilets ) on sea side of the road and someone is always there on weekends!

[flyingcrocodile46]

That is a point. We don't want the public associating us with reckless behaviour.
Just talked to my sister and she was saying how she and he husband were moved by the Wgtn demonstration and were very supportive of our arguments.

Then this morning while traveling from Masterton over the hills to Wellington a group of 10 bikes passed them going very fast, cutting them off, forcing them to swerve and they were also overtaking on blind corners. My sister said that her husband observed that if that is how we ride then maybe our levies should go up. I'd like to thank those wankers for their contribution to the cause personally.

Reckless stunts, wheelies, burnouts, speeding etc will lose our public support real fast..... Just don't do it.

[DIN PELENDA]

I think Spank wants to buy some Pancakes from there, let him first eh? or he could just slot in as part of your family...:2thumbsup

Top effort in getting the whole family there.

Spank will have to negotiate that with my wife :girlfight:, then he will have to fight for it with my kids :2thumbsup, but if he like to be part of the family he can take my place for the day to be my wife's husband and my kids father :beer:.


Well if I will have to pay over 3K just for my bike's and car's to ACC that affect the whole of my family and all of as, cos "we are family I got all my bikers with me"-Honda rider

So we be there!

[Laava]

Fuckin hell Mom you better have got some good weather ordered up!
I haven't got a root!

[caseye]

Noooooooooooo! Spank don't do it! He'll leave ya with em all, day. Din what a horrible thing to suggest,lol, be funny as, wouldn't it?

[Mom]

Fuckin hell Mom you better have got some good weather ordered up!
I haven't got a root!

You remember the one you gave me last time, well I am happy to give it to you back with interest!

[Laava]

Ha ha! But I think I am looking for a suit that is, shall we say, more generously proportioned!

[DIN PELENDA]

That is a point. We don't want the public associating us with reckless behaviour.
Just talked to my sister and she was saying how she and he husband were moved by the Wgtn demonstration and were very supportive of our arguments.

Then this morning while traveling from Masterton over the hills to Wellington a group of 10 bikes passed them going very fast, cutting them off, forcing them to swerve and they were also overtaking on blind corners. My sister said that her husband observed that if that is how we ride then maybe our levies should go up. I'd like to thank those wankers for their contribution to the cause personally.

Reckless stunts, wheelies, burnouts, speeding etc will lose our public support real fast..... Just don't do it.

2nd that and be good if we just talk, smile and be friendly wit general public :hug:. I know sound's gay, I love my Honda.

[RiderInBlack]

Am up and gearing up. C ya there.

[Mom]

Good morning!

Here we go, here we go, here we come :sunny:

Well the weather seems to be crap, just hope we dont get blown off our bikes on the bridge this morning :lol:

See you all soon!

[billybobo13]

That Harbor Bridge scares the crap outta me when its windy. Hardening up and im gonna ride the wind anyway. see u all there. Im gonna be an early bird.

[gtr boy]

mmm nice in wet see you there

[scissorhands]

The weather today in Auckland is constant fine drizzle till mid/early arvo, I think.

No squally showers. Just a fine mist where the road is slightly wet, no big drops or showers. Winds moderate/strong westeries getting lighter by lunchtime. Metservice satmap shows a big cloud mass with light but constant drizzle.

Probably be times when the drizzle stops for a brief wee while and its very light here.

[p.dath]

Pity about the weather. Take it slow and carefull over the bridge. Don't want negative publicity on a day when we try and create positive publicity.

See everyone there.

[carlosliu]

Ride safely, see you there!

[Bufymstr]

Ticking over to 8am now and the there are bikes everywhere with more people rolling up continually. Rain here only is a very light drizzle, wind non existent.

[Nasty]

Just spoke to Mom ... coffee in hand and chatting to everyone!!! .... going well so far!

[CalNZ]

Hey all, great turn out - good to see everyone turned up despite the weather. Very good feedback from staff at the cafes I spoke to and positive feedback from the public/motorists too, though one did ask why only one bike per bay, so I would agree with her that we need posters or more leaflets pointing out the message for the next breakfast - I am happy to put up my hand to print off a couple of hundred and stand at the traffic lights and hand them out, whenever the next breakfast is going to happen (in a fortnight perhaps?)

[AD345]

We came

We saw

We had a flat white

[fizbin]

mmm time for my wife to get her own wet weather gear i think!
Well done Ann well organised and another successful turn out even though the weather was pretty shithouse.
see you all at the next one.

[furry]

We now need to get simple clear messages out which are consistent undebatable commentary that unites others to our cause.

I think we need to hire a PR Agent for this. Anyone know anyone?

Anyone who's seen the 'propaganda ACC adverts' and so called editorial stories from ACC recently written by the CEO of ACC as though he were an unbiased informed journalist! - then you're probably insensed like me, that they've now even started using our current levvies income to pay for adverts to pursuade us its ok to pay more!

We need to do the same, advertise the positives of biking, the benefits of living life and being active and make biking symbolise something that others also believe in and recognise as worthy of encouraging.

So we need a professional to help, and some joint propaganda of our own and also consistent messages.

If we all had one focal point to raise funds with $10 each would raise enough to do TV advertising from here to Christmas, editorials in press, bill-board ads around wellington and auckland and also get organsied enough to take up key visible parking all day every day around all key government offices (just needs a rota to do that).
MNZ now have a 'Recreational Biking' Commissioner who could be a useful starting point to rally the industry too.

Anyone know anyone who can mastermind a PR campaign? They could help with the consistent messages.

[poplar_pete]

Hey Guys

First rally i've been on, but well worth it. Well organised so lets keep it going.

Thanks

[klingon]

Just heard on National Radio that there were about 100 bikes there. Good on you guys! :D

They also quoted one Anne James as saying this kind of protest was going to continue until the govt gives us a reasonable answer. I'm so proud of you, Mom! :hug:

[Nasty]

Just heard on National Radio that there were about 100 bikes there. Good on you guys! :D

They also quoted one Anne James as saying this kind of protest was going to continue until the govt gives us a reasonable answer. I'm so proud of you, Mom! :hug:

100 is on the light side ... I heard it was wayy wayy more than that!

[GOONR]

100 is on the light side ... I heard it was wayy wayy more than that!


Yeah, I didn't even try to count them but I would have thought it was way more than that. The carpark was full the main street was full and the side streets had plenty parked up too.

[Toot Toot]

Can we make the next one for when I'm not working please??

[Fatt Max]

Nice one guys and gals, great turnout.

Really cool to meet some of you as well, did have a few laffs and no mistake.

The geezer I bought a coffee from was very pleased with the numbers he had through the door, we are all welcome back at any tine.....I'll bring my speedos if we ever do that again...

Finally, a maaaaaaassive well done to Mom and all the organisers, great effort.

Mission Bay is so nice, even the pies wink at you before you eat them....

[Pixie]

We now need to get simple clear messages out which are consistent undebatable commentary that unites others to our cause.

I think we need to hire a PR Agent for this. Anyone know anyone?

Anyone who's seen the 'propaganda ACC adverts' and so called editorial stories from ACC recently written by the CEO of ACC as though he were an unbiased informed journalist! - then you're probably insensed like me, that they've now even started using our current levvies income to pay for adverts to pursuade us its ok to pay more!

We need to do the same, advertise the positives of biking, the benefits of living life and being active and make biking symbolise something that others also believe in and recognise as worthy of encouraging.

So we need a professional to help, and some joint propaganda of our own and also consistent messages.

If we all had one focal point to raise funds with $10 each would raise enough to do TV advertising from here to Christmas, editorials in press, bill-board ads around wellington and auckland and also get organsied enough to take up key visible parking all day every day around all key government offices (just needs a rota to do that).
MNZ now have a 'Recreational Biking' Commissioner who could be a useful starting point to rally the industry too.

Anyone know anyone who can mastermind a PR campaign? They could help with the consistent messages.

ACC has been very quiet since the newspaper ads.
I think it backfired badly and I suspect they received a ministerial arse-kicking over a misjudged campaign.

[Toaster]

....whenever the next breakfast is going to happen (in a fortnight perhaps?)

Lets hope so... the Govt needs to see that bikers wont give up on this until it is completely dropped. More protest events needed to keep the pressure on.

[Tink]

Awesome to read about great turnout... :( sadly with the rain, didn't make it... next time for sure.. !!! Can't wait for some photos :)

[raster]

Some photos, great atmosphere, even the police thanked us.
let us know if there are any media reports.

[Reckless]

Nice to finally put some names to faces!
Maha, MOM, idol, Squiggles and even Renagade master?? To name a few.
Some passionate people, Nice bikes and Lovely ladies LOL!!!
Thats 3 outa 3 isn't it??
CYA on the next one!

[raster]

some more photos, Thanks MOM

[YellowDog]

I thought it was a good turnout. I perved over far more than 100 bikes.

The lady with the camera was quite a babe too.

Mom is a very good speaker and did a great job.

My fear is that we are making this political when it should not be.

The problem is a complete failure of the ACC system. I don't believe it makes sense to fund a private health service with public money. A public health service would make more sense. The service wouldn't be as good, but then beggars can't be choosers. The fact is that there are hundreds of private practices on the gravy train of guaranteed government money. These guys are getting very rich and milking the system.

I heard of a case of a $52,000 ACC claim for a sprained ankle with no complications. How can anyone be surprised about the $600m deficit?

If you have the money to ride a new Ducati then good luck to you, but some of us ride Suzukis (well at least I used to).

The fact is that if you want to maintain such a system, then it is going to be very very expensive and this is the choice that the NZ public has to make.

The previous government were hiding a $600m deficit and the idiots presently in power are doing their best to deal with something they no nothing about and don't have the correct information to advise them appropriately.

Sacking the ACC board was a good first move however will the new board be any better? They need time to work things out.

So if the decision is made to keep ACC in its present form is made; the next decision is to look at a fair way to fund it.

If the board of ACC is presently not even able to determine how many on road Motorcycle accidents are the fault of motorcyclists, which I understand that they are not able to; then they really are shooting in the dark.

My view is that we should not focus on the idiotic politics and politicians, but focus on the facts:

The present proposals will price motorcyclists off the road or to ride illegally.

The present proposals will lead to a dramatic increase in the number of cars on the roads.

The present proposals will put pressure on the NZ Road infrastructure leading to costly remedies.

The present proposals will lead to increased national fuel consumption at a time when we should be conserving its diminishing availability.

The present proposals will lead to an increase in pollution and potentially a resulting determination in the nations state of general health.

There are lots more however our message needs to be that Motorcycling is overwhelmingly good for the country and it should be encouraged rather than priced off the roads.

Maybe they should then start asking themselves how to go about reducing motorcycle accidents. It’s been done elsewhere with education, training, and a requirement for higher standards to pass a test.

All I am trying to see is that I think that the political challenge is the wrong way to go about raising awareness to this unfair assault on motorcyclists.

Some very good suggestions have already been made.

Let's go with the right ones!

[Big Dave]

Anyone know anyone who can mastermind a PR campaign? They could help with the consistent messages.


For a bunch of volunteers I think the BRONZ has done an admirable job so far. There are several people on committee that have good PR experience.
It's where I hope people will continue to rally around because it is entirely democratic and open to all.

The industry group funds professional lobbyists and so does the MTA.

After that you are hearding cats.

[trump-lady]

Thats awesome...what a shame it was bad weather and the public wasnt out in force. I reakon this should be every Sunday!

Please do another one and maybe make it for the whole day for those who work (sleep) in the morning. Have 2 shifts morning and lunch time

The pics look great and certainly make a statement.

I was going to head down but I guess its too late :(

[Big Dave]

All I am trying to see is that I think that the political challenge is the wrong way to go about raising awareness to this unfair assault on motorcyclists.


Entirely disagree. The Politicians are the ones who decide - and their currency is keeping power. Target them.
Show how many votes are involved is the way to win.

Consistently inconveniencing Joe Average will lead to alienating him.

I also think that awareness is maxed. Take action to keep it trickling along - but not piss anyone off their seat on the fence..

[Tink]

Some photos, great atmosphere, even the police thanked us.
let us know if there are any media reports.

Brilliant... that should be on a poster... DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS NZ!

[raster]

I believe this is the time to get behind BRONZ and help them with their campaign to get the preventative funding they are asking for.

Considering there is no official BRONZ representation in Wellington, they did a damn fine job, they made it look like a pissup in a Brewery.

:girlfight:

[FastBikeGear]

Nicely done guys. I think the photos make a very powerful statement!

[Bald Eagle]

I believe this is the time to get behind BRONZ and help them with their campaign to get the preventative funding they are asking for.

Considering there is no official BRONZ representation in Wellington, they did a damn fine job, they made it look like a pissup in a Brewery.

:girlfight:

BRONZ wellington is being reformed. Watch the BRONZ website for details

[jedi]

I'm really pissed I couldn't do it today with the bad weather. Hat's off to all that did though. Give me a fine day and I'll fight to the end.

[AD345]

I thought it was a good turnout. I perved over far more than 100 bikes.

The lady with the camera was quite a babe too.

Mom is a very good speaker and did a great job.

yep she did


My fear is that we are making this political when it should not be.

This is 100% political. The political party commanding the majority of votes in Governement wants to dismantle ACC and sell the best bits off to private insurers


The problem is a complete failure of the ACC system. I don't believe it makes sense to fund a private health service with public money. A public health service would make more sense. The service wouldn't be as good, but then beggars can't be choosers. The fact is that there are hundreds of private practices on the gravy train of guaranteed government money. These guys are getting very rich and milking the system.

I heard of a case of a $52,000 ACC claim for a sprained ankle with no complications. How can anyone be surprised about the $600m deficit?

You need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and start actually listening to what is going on.

ACC works VERY well and there is NO deficit.

ACC made 1.5 BILLION dollars more than it spent last year and has another 11 BILLION dollars in reserves

You keep trotting out this waffle about "private health service" endlessly and the bringing in unsupported anecdotes about huge costs.

ACC covers the cost of injuries and loss of income. they do so with WAY less overhead cost than almost any other insurer and the vast majority of the money spent goes either into the public health system or directly into the hands of those who are injured


If you have the money to ride a new Ducati then good luck to you, but some of us ride Suzukis (well at least I used to).

The fact is that if you want to maintain such a system, then it is going to be very very expensive and this is the choice that the NZ public has to make.

The previous government were hiding a $600m deficit and the idiots presently in power are doing their best to deal with something they no nothing about and don't have the correct information to advise them appropriately.

THERE IS NO DEFICIT!!!!


Sacking the ACC board was a good first move however will the new board be any better? They need time to work things out.

The previous board of the ACC did an OUTSTANDING job and thier investment arm outperformed just about all other investors during the worst economic conditions of the last 90 years.

The new board has been brought in to do ONE thing only - get ACC ready for sale!


So if the decision is made to keep ACC in its present form is made; the next decision is to look at a fair way to fund it.

It already is funded fairly - PLUS has a big , huge, massive wad of cash for rainy days


If the board of ACC is presently not even able to determine how many on road Motorcycle accidents are the fault of motorcyclists, which I understand that they are not able to; then they really are shooting in the dark.

My view is that we should not focus on the idiotic politics and politicians, but focus on the facts:

You have no idea of the facts


The present proposals will price motorcyclists off the road or to ride illegally.

The present proposals will lead to a dramatic increase in the number of cars on the roads.

The present proposals will put pressure on the NZ Road infrastructure leading to costly remedies.

The present proposals will lead to increased national fuel consumption at a time when we should be conserving its diminishing availability.

The present proposals will lead to an increase in pollution and potentially a resulting determination in the nations state of general health.

There are lots more however our message needs to be that Motorcycling is overwhelmingly good for the country and it should be encouraged rather than priced off the roads.

Maybe they should then start asking themselves how to go about reducing motorcycle accidents. It’s been done elsewhere with education, training, and a requirement for higher standards to pass a test.

All I am trying to see is that I think that the political challenge is the wrong way to go about raising awareness to this unfair assault on motorcyclists.

Some very good suggestions have already been made.

Let's go with the right ones!

yes lets - you need to learn more about them

[Gizzit]

Nice one guys and gals, great turnout.

Really cool to meet some of you as well, did have a few laffs and no mistake.

The geezer I bought a coffee from was very pleased with the numbers he had through the door, we are all welcome back at any tine.....I'll bring my speedos if we ever do that again...

Finally, a maaaaaaassive well done to Mom and all the organisers, great effort.

Mission Bay is so nice, even the pies wink at you before you eat them....

I was looking to meet you Max .... But I couldn't see anyone wearing a marque anywhere ..... ???? Whats the story ... ???? lol :D

I was the young old guy with the bald head ...... you must have seen me ... ??? I mean there weren't many of us old bald ones there ...... !!! :D

Great turn out too ..... considering the weather. Left home in fine weather, and then it rained all the way down and back to the Brynderwyn's !!

Very well done Mom. Nice to meet you and put a face to a name. Thanks for all your effort, and those others that made it happen.

Cheers :niceone:

[Laava]

I dun taked free pitchers!

[GOONR]

I was looking to meet you Max .... But I couldn't see anyone wearing a marque anywhere ..... ???? Whats the story ... ???? lol :D

I was the young old guy with the bald head ...... you must have seen me ... ??? I mean there weren't many of us old bald ones there ...... !!! :D

Great turn out too ..... considering the weather. Left home in fine weather, and then it rained all the way down and back to the Brynderwyn's !!

Very well done Mom. Nice to meet you and put a face to a name. Thanks for all your effort, and those others that made it happen.

Cheers :niceone:

The post below yours #407, middle picture.. Two target t-shirts, FM aint the one on the right.

[reemit]

Nicely done everyone. Good atmosphere. Joe public seemed to be able to say hi and was reasonably OK with it all I thought. The only dodgy safety bit I saw was when the two cop cars set off at mach 2 past the chippy for some obviously very important mission. Now that could have been an interesting claim if one of us had been collected. Big ups to Anne and the team. Looking forward to the next one.

[TOTO]

Great turnout falks. good on ya all for turning up. Big ups to MOM and "DAD" for getting things up and moving. :clap:

Mr and Mrs Busa - good on ya for flying the flag up and high :niceone:

Pancakes and French toast went down well with filthy biker scum :)


Renegade Master and Indiana Jones really showed that bikers are united and work together for the common good :rolleyes:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151943&stc=1&d=1258849077151928

[The Pastor]

Toto, i see an infraction for picture too big LOL.

Mom, Thank you very much for all the effort you put in. I really apreieate what you have done.

good turn out, good people, good chatting to new people.


bad weather, but hey not really in our control is it!

[Mom]

We are home at last. We also have no internet at home so have been driven from our pit to the local cafe - sad buggers we are :D

Thank you to all that turned out in what really was crappy weather to listen to me spout forth.

Great turnout of well behaved people. The Police actually made a point of approaching me at the end to thank me for the way things went. Absolutely zero problems from a well behaved crowd. The cafe where we had our lunch also thanked us for our business so a win, win all round. I talked to a lady out for a stroll and she was very interested in what we were doing and agreed totally with what we are saying. So another win for me.

[Mom]

I would like to thank those mad buggers from the Norf that got up before the crack of dawn and made the trip down, you guys are the best! I would also like to specially thank Guess Who. He is a youngster and he rode all the way up from Cambridge this morning to take part in this protest. Now the weather south was even crappier than it was at Mission Bay. That youngster gets my vote for top effort of the day!

[Maha]

Yeah that was a great turn out (considering the weather) wasn't really that wet to be honest, just no dry spots anywhere. It did stop while the main attraction spoke though. Got me a free coffee which was a bonus. Thank you to those who do/done/did alot of work behind the scene. Quite a bit goes into making everything come together on the day, and this event was only thought of on Wednesday, fantastic effort!!

[YellowDog]

Nicely done everyone. Good atmosphere. Joe public seemed to be able to say hi and was reasonably OK with it all I thought. The only dodgy safety bit I saw was when the two cop cars set off at mach 2 past the chippy for some obviously very important mission. Now that could have been an interesting claim if one of us had been collected. Big ups to Anne and the team. Looking forward to the next one.
They'd just heard that the doughnut shop had opened early and wanted to get there before the queue of other cops got too long.

[PrincessBandit]

Well done to Mom!! Looks (and sounds) like a fantastic job all round. So wish I could have joined you, but Sunday mornings tend to have prior commitments on my part....

Big thumbs up that it seems to have gone down so well with the locals in the area, and the public in general.

Great PR everyone.

[Laava]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/thread-wins.jpg

[Laava]

I would like to thank those mad buggers from the Norf that got up before the crack of dawn and made the trip down, you guys are the best! I would also like to specially thank Guess Who.

No wuckers Anne! It pissed down all the way to the Brynies and then the roads were dry. I am going out to mow the lawn now!

[Dodgyiti]

Imagine the turn out if it had been a lovely sunny morning, imagine the hoards of cagers trying to find a park.
Glad it was wet and the inconvenience for the general public was pretty minimal because the message got through via attending media for sure.
and that is what counts.
See every one at the sailing club next week eh?
:cool:

[Laava]

The post below yours #407, middle picture.. Two target t-shirts, FM aint the one on the right.

We were standing right behind you lot at speech time. I was wondering how you would get a shirt big enough to go over the whole shebang!:lol:

[Kiwi Graham]

What a bloody good turn out for a damp morning!

In excess of 150-200 bikes of all shapes and sizes at a guess.
The main car park was full but for half a dozen cars and they had a flyer on explaining how lucky they were to have a space.
Bikes up and down both sides of the main seafront drag again with only a few cars with the obligatory flyer. The side roads also had bikes in them and every body had a whole 'car sized' space to themselves awesome.

Car drivers turning up to park were given a flyer appologising for the inconvenience and were no problem at all some even offering us good luck. The cafe owners were over the moon selling more breakfasts, coffee and brunches than normal and certainly on a wet Sunday morning and would welcome us back anytime.
Police were in attendance, visible and invisible! (anyone else spot the plain clothes commodore?). Everyone was well behaved so they were left sitting eating their dohnuts....I kid you not when I 'flyed' the cop car he was inside it eating a dohnut!
Mom presented a well written speach and rallyed our cause and I saw Prime TV, the New Zealand Herald and radio NZ covering it, who know we might make prime time and the front page.

Good to meet up with some of you again, until the next time eh!

Oh I thought I'd got away with bringing the Mrs and buying her a loverly cooked breafast but then she made me drive to the shore and I ended up buying a bloody book case too........today has cost me heaps.......thanks Mom.

Edit; To those that are 'monitoring' this site.........The bikers of New Zealand are bloody pissed off, if you think this is going to 'fade away' you are very mistaken. If you have an influence with who you report back to tell them to act at abolishing this levy increase 'sooner rather than later'!

[Dodgyiti]

(anyone else spot the plain clothes commodore)

Yep, and there was another on foot mufti with a wee notebook checking out the bikes and standing in the background.

[taff1954]

Made it to the RNZ website at least - Well done all of you north of the Bombays.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/11/22/1245d4320b96

[Indiana_Jones]

Nice turn out, considering the weather :)

The prime chick was pretty fit lol

Great job Mom!

-Indy

[GOONR]

We were standing right behind you lot at speech time. I was wondering how you would get a shirt big enough to go over the whole shebang!:lol:

It's easy for me I'm a right skinny bastard!

[Mom]

Good morning. Thank you for coming along and joining us for brunch.

I don’t know about anyone else here, but when my alarm went off this morning it felt a bit like ground hog day.

I thought I would start off by asking a few questions.

How many of us turned out last weekend for the rolling protest in Auckland?

How many of us made the big trip to Wellington for Tuesdays “Damn the Levies” Bikeoi on Wellington?

How many of us are here for the long haul?

Okay, we are here today for a few reasons. First and foremost we are here to have brunch. This gathering is nothing to do with taking business away from people. If you have not done so already, please head over the road and have a bagel and coffee, or what ever else takes your fancy. I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to some folk that have had to walk further than they normally would to get their Lattes this morning – you need to know this will be the reality should the government manage to tax us off the roads. The only difference is we will be in cars! You are probably wondering why bikers are so angry. We are here to tell you.

Right. Housekeeping out of the way, lets move on to the WHY we are here.

The media have reported the government have made a U-turn on these proposed levy increases, apparently we have got what we wanted. Apparently we have won! Can anyone smell Bullshit?

What about the Minister saying we cost more?

Ok, lets try this one for size,
Cars subsidize motorcycles…

Okay, so it seems that bikers are not to be pacified so readily.

This government, like any, have several ways to push through unpalatable legislation, or heaven forbid sneak things past a distracted populace.

One is - Divide and Rule - Divide and rule is such an easy way to foil any dissent. Turn them among themselves, that should do it. Well that did not work this time, we are not about to turn on ourselves. Every adult New Zealander pays ACC levies of some sort or another. If all of us are not deeply concerned about what is going on yet, we should be.

Toe in the Door – Okay, that has actually been successful in the past. So many changes that NZ voters over the years have accepted – or maybe even tolerated if they did not vote for the majority in Government. We are ALL guilty here – Our ACC levy was increased by a large amount recently and we just ATE IT! Just like we are going to do this time right?

This time however, the Government is using another tactic. They are attempting the classic “Smack in the Face” approach. Announce an outrageous increase in ACC levies on motorcycles and when the community is sufficiently up in arms about it turn around and reduce it to something less, they will roll over, they always do. Hammer the “easy target”, they are bound to make a big noise. This will distract everyone from what we actually doing. If these, goatee bearded, leather jacket wearing, tattooed bikers will create a big enough fuss, the general population will not notice all the other things we are doing. By the time they do realise it will be too late and everyone will simply roll over and accept it. Our toe in the door strategy always works. I am convinced these suits think we are a bunch of knuckle dragging Neanderthal Dick heads, though Tuesday should have shown them we are not.

With my sincere respect to all the goatee sporting/leathered up/tattooed bikers out there – I am none of those things, but, I am a biker, and I am angry! How dare they insult us by thinking we will roll over for a “smaller” levy increase. We won’t! This is much more than just us. Who’s next right?

I don’t know about you guys, but I am an employer, my levies are going up, I am an employee, my levies are going up. I buy petrol, my levies are going up, I own a car, my levies are going up, I ride a bike, my levies are going up! Motorcyclists encompass a broad and diverse range of our community. We have interests outside of riding our bikes. Surely we are not the only ones asking who’s next?

ACC, designed by Owen Woodhouse, and implemented in 1974, was designed and adopted to provide a scheme for all New Zealanders to benefit from in times of injury. It is unique in the world, because it negated the need to sue through the courts. In return for giving up that right, we received a system of compensation that treated everyone fairly. It was never user-pays, everyone contributed equally, and the fund covered you regardless of fault. The words risk and liability do not belong with the founding principles of the Act that ACC is based on. They belong to an Insurance company, which ACC was never designed to be.

Let us not forget we gave up the right to sue, in return for a NO FAULT injury prevention, rehabilitation and compensation scheme.

Speaking of being unique let me share this with you. The Price Water House Coopers report took 18 months to complete and is 470 pages thick. It says that NZ has a world class compensation scheme – other countries are using it as a bench mark and want to emulate it. US president Barack Obama has just come out and said he wants to introduce something similar in the USA to get rid of the litigious society they have and all the horrendous costs associated with it.

ACC is not broke! The "crisis" is an artificially engendered one to give spurious justification for actions that the Government could not otherwise justify. After all payouts, ACC has $1B more in funds at the end of the year than it did at the beginning. It also has $11b in assets behind it. The Council of Trade Unions also recognises this and on Thursday they appeared before the select committee overseeing the proposed changes to the ACC Act. They told the select committee, the Government has manufactured a crisis in ACC to justify large levy hikes and set the ground for a move to Privatisation. Oh really?

The levies we currently pay make up less than 1% of all levies collected – upping our levies so much makes no economic sense. We contribute so little to the pool, how can singling bikers out to pay so much more make a tiny bit of difference to the big picture? Smoke screen anyone?

So what do we want then?

It’s simple really. We want a FAIR GO. Equity. No-fault setting of levies. Equal contributions. Don’t penalise us for our choice of transport, or our leisure activity. Don’t penalise us for our vulnerability. Accidents and injuries are the result of mistakes. We should not be paying higher levies for being the victim of a mistake, no matter who made it. No fault remember. We want a return to the Woodhouse principles that founded the ACC scheme that sets us up as a first in the world. We want ACC to return to its roots, accident prevention and a no fault system.

Everyone should be asking questions about what National is attempting to do. We are not alone here. We are simply the EASY TARGET. EVERYONE will be affected by what is happening. Educate yourselves people. Get out there and spread the message.

So for the record – Somehow bullshit, bullshit, bullshit only conveys what we think…

What do we want?
Equity
When do we want it?
Now
ACC!
We wont pay
Woodhouse!
No fault

Thank you for giving up a lazy Sunday morning start to join us today. Enjoy your brunch. Ride safe home, see you soon.

[Fluffy Cat]

You guys are great....hats off to you.
A beauty.
Peace.........:hug:

[colonel]

I would like to thank those mad buggers from the Norf that got up before the crack of dawn and made the trip down, you guys are the best! I would also like to specially thank Guess Who. He is a youngster and he rode all the way up from Cambridge this morning to take part in this protest. Now the weather south was even crappier than it was at Mission Bay. That youngster gets my vote for top effort of the day!

anything to help good ride all in all. Keep up the good work:2thumbsup

[gwigs]

Good turn out People ...

[SpankMe]

Good turn out People ...

Nice photo. :), but the URL is backwards :p

[caseye]

It looked great from where I was standing SpankMe, course it had to be backwards from one side or the other, well done the Busa's.
Mom another great ride, speechifying, public educating.
The general public asked for information, so we made great in roads there too.
Cafe owner I spoke to thanked us all for coming, being polite and ordering heaps of stuff, they said they'd have us back anytime! That was the Riva cafe.
Why not give em a plug aye.

[SpankMe]

It looked great from where I was standing SpankMe, course it had to be backwards from one side or the other, well done the Busa's.
Mom another great ride, speechifying, public educating.
The general public asked for information, so we made great in roads there too.
Cafe owner I spoke to thanked us all for coming, being polite and ordering heaps of stuff, they said they'd have us back anytime! That was the Riva cafe.
Why not give em a plug aye.

They probably got a lot more business that what they would have normally with the weather being crap.

[Okey Dokey]

Great work to all involved. Mom, thanks for sharing your fantastic speech.:2thumbsup

[short-circuit]

Well done Mom. Thanks for your hard work. Your speech was comprehensive and well delivered...bonus points for doing it without the aid of a megaphone and with such a low trajectory (even standing on a park bench).

[short-circuit]

I thought it was a good turnout. I perved over far more than 100 bikes.

The lady with the camera was quite a babe too.

Mom is a very good speaker and did a great job.

My fear is that we are making this political when it should not be.

The problem is a complete failure of the ACC system. I don't believe it makes sense to fund a private health service with public money. A public health service would make more sense. The service wouldn't be as good, but then beggars can't be choosers. The fact is that there are hundreds of private practices on the gravy train of guaranteed government money. These guys are getting very rich and milking the system.

I heard of a case of a $52,000 ACC claim for a sprained ankle with no complications. How can anyone be surprised about the $600m deficit?

If you have the money to ride a new Ducati then good luck to you, but some of us ride Suzukis (well at least I used to).

The fact is that if you want to maintain such a system, then it is going to be very very expensive and this is the choice that the NZ public has to make.

The previous government were hiding a $600m deficit and the idiots presently in power are doing their best to deal with something they no nothing about and don't have the correct information to advise them appropriately.

Sacking the ACC board was a good first move however will the new board be any better? They need time to work things out.

So if the decision is made to keep ACC in its present form is made; the next decision is to look at a fair way to fund it.

If the board of ACC is presently not even able to determine how many on road Motorcycle accidents are the fault of motorcyclists, which I understand that they are not able to; then they really are shooting in the dark.

My view is that we should not focus on the idiotic politics and politicians, but focus on the facts:

The present proposals will price motorcyclists off the road or to ride illegally.

The present proposals will lead to a dramatic increase in the number of cars on the roads.

The present proposals will put pressure on the NZ Road infrastructure leading to costly remedies.

The present proposals will lead to increased national fuel consumption at a time when we should be conserving its diminishing availability.

The present proposals will lead to an increase in pollution and potentially a resulting determination in the nations state of general health.

There are lots more however our message needs to be that Motorcycling is overwhelmingly good for the country and it should be encouraged rather than priced off the roads.

Maybe they should then start asking themselves how to go about reducing motorcycle accidents. It’s been done elsewhere with education, training, and a requirement for higher standards to pass a test.

All I am trying to see is that I think that the political challenge is the wrong way to go about raising awareness to this unfair assault on motorcyclists.

Some very good suggestions have already been made.

Let's go with the right ones!

Total bollox

[short-circuit]

This is 100% political. The political party commanding the majority of votes in Governement wants to dismantle ACC and sell the best bits off to private insurers



You need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and start actually listening to what is going on.

ACC works VERY well and there is NO deficit.

ACC made 1.5 BILLION dollars more than it spent last year and has another 11 BILLION dollars in reserves

You keep trotting out this waffle about "private health service" endlessly and the bringing in unsupported anecdotes about huge costs.

ACC covers the cost of injuries and loss of income. they do so with WAY less overhead cost than almost any other insurer and the vast majority of the money spent goes either into the public health system or directly into the hands of those who are injured



THERE IS NO DEFICIT!!!!



The previous board of the ACC did an OUTSTANDING job and thier investment arm outperformed just about all other investors during the worst economic conditions of the last 90 years.

The new board has been brought in to do ONE thing only - get ACC ready for sale!



It already is funded fairly - PLUS has a big , huge, massive wad of cash for rainy days



You have no idea of the facts



yes lets - you need to learn more about them

Absolutely.

[short-circuit]

The prime chick was pretty fit lol

-Indy

Call of the day

[p.dath]

Imagine the turn out if it had been a lovely sunny morning, imagine the hoards of cagers trying to find a park.
Glad it was wet and the inconvenience for the general public was pretty minimal because the message got through via attending media for sure.
and that is what counts.
See every one at the sailing club next week eh?
:cool:

I asked a local retailer, and he said that "customers" don't start turning up till around 9:30am, and we were pretty much done at that point in time.

[short-circuit]

What a bloody good turn out for a damp morning!


mmmm....moist

[gwigs]

Nice photo. :), but the URL is backwards :p

Its actually the right way round ,notice the parking sign LOL,but to keep you happy
sorted.....

[Mom]

Well done Mom. Thanks for your hard work. Your speech was comprehensive and well delivered...bonus points for doing it without the aid of a megaphone and with such a low trajectory (even standing on a park bench).

Low Trajectory! My last speech actually started with the words...

I am standing up! :killingme

Dont you know all the best things come in little packages :D

[flyingcrocodile46]

Made it to the RNZ website at least - Well done all of you north of the Bombays.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/11/22/1245d4320b96

Quote RNZ... "The Government says proposed rises to motorbike levies are part of Accident Compensation Corporation reforms and are justified, as the accident rate for motorcyclists had increased five-fold since the late 1990s."
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2146&pictureid=35105

Pity they didn't have a copy of the Ministry of Transport Crash fact sheet for 2008... Then they could add... Which is clearly bullshit as illustrated by MOT figures

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2146&pictureid=35104

[Maha]

Just seen the article on Prime, staring Mom and Kiwi Graham, can someone find and post the link it up?, its very cool, you may even see yourself there!
Good pan shot of the crowd and bikes turning up.

[GOONR]

Just seen the article on Prime, staring Mom and Kiwi Graham, can someone find and post the link it up?, its very cool, you may even see yourself there!
Good pan shot of the crowd and bikes turning up.

My bike is getting loads of TV time... Maybe I should sell it.. "As seen on TV"

They said 400 turned up, sound right to anyone else?

[Fatt Max]

I was looking to meet you Max .... But I couldn't see anyone wearing a marque anywhere ..... ???? Whats the story ... ???? lol :D

:

Sorry mate, I did'nt have the Marquee with me today (that is a pair of my undies by the way).... Mt Smart have that for the temporary super top....

[Fatt Max]

The post below yours #407, middle picture.. Two target t-shirts, FM aint the one on the right.

Ah blimey mate, I thought we could give 'em a guessing game....never mind

[Mom]

My bike is getting loads of TV time... Maybe I should sell it.. "As seen on TV"

They said 400 turned up, sound right to anyone else?

I will take that number! The cop that shoulder tapped me at the end (terrible feeling that being shoulder tapped by plod) today, said he estimated the numbers at between 4 and 500 :blip: Lets not argue with it ;)

Best thing is he thanked us for how we behaved. No one pissed off, a message delivered. What more could I ask for?

actually, a lovely day would have been nice

[Fatt Max]

I will take that number! The cop that shoulder tapped me at the end (terrible feeling that being shoulder tapped by plod) today, said he estimated the numbers at between 4 and 500 :blip: Lets not argue with it ;)

Best thing is he thanked us for how we behaved. No one pissed off, a message delivered. What more could I ask for?

actually, a lovely day would have been nice

A mate of Mrs Max passed through a couple of times on her cycle and did say that there was at least 400 bikes around the place so I'll third that one...

Oh, and dont worry about being tapped on the shoulder Mom, it's when they stick an arm bar on you for streaking across a cricket pitch......but that's a whole different story....

[Kiwi Graham]

Just seen the article on Prime, staring Mom and Kiwi Graham, can someone find and post the link it up?, its very cool, you may even see yourself there!
Good pan shot of the crowd and bikes turning up.

Kin ek!

Need a clicky........world famous in New Zealand eh!

[Maha]

Kin ek!

Need a clicky........world famous in New Zealand eh!

Hell yeah, a full frontal and a rear shot, camera hog!!

[short-circuit]

Where's the linky?

[howdamnhard]

Best thing is he thanked us for how we behaved. No one pissed off, a message delivered. What more could I ask for?

A good result then, well done to everyone involved.:2thumbsup

[SpankMe]

Its actually the right way round ,notice the parking sign LOL,but to keep you happy
sorted.....

Now the writing on his t-shirt is backwards. :p

[jamiey]

Where's the linky?

Try this:

http://www.primetv.co.nz/Default.aspx?alias=www.primetv.co.nz/news

[Maha]

Now the writing on his t-shirt is backwards. :p

Thats because now it looks like they're leaving.

[Maha]

Try this:

http://www.primetv.co.nz/Default.aspx?alias=www.primetv.co.nz/news

Yip good onya mate, fast forward to 6:50.

[jamiey]

Try this:

http://www.primetv.co.nz/Default.aspx?alias=www.primetv.co.nz/news


Go to about 6mins 50 seconds

[Tank]

The prime chick was pretty fit lol

Yep - the thought of her and the RadioNZ chick made for a happy shower after riding home in the rain.:2thumbsup

[The Pastor]

lame, didnt make the cut!

[Maha]

lame, didnt make the cut!

Indy/TOTO/MadDuck/PhantasmNZ and III did, acting as the backdrop for Mom....:cool:

[Mom]

Now the writing on his t-shirt is backwards. :p

I just went to bling you for this. Any chance of you amending the bling quota? Aparently I have none left :cool: At least I dont have to spread myself around eh?

[gwigs]

Now the writing on his t-shirt is backwards. :p

Some days ya just cant win eh!:oi-grr:

[DIN PELENDA]

Low Trajectory! My last speech actually started with the words...

I am standing up! :killingme

Dont you know all the best things come in little packages :D

POISSON come in little packages 2 :mad:!

[Mom]

POISSON come in little packages 2 :mad:!

Hush your mouth :lol:

[R6_kid]

POISSON come in little packages 2 :mad:!

You need to learn to buy bigger fish then.

[Wench]

Fantastic turn out today,:2thumbsup, we all must show them we mean business:mad:.,,will post up on facebook:rockon:

[RiderInBlack]

Try this:

http://www.primetv.co.nz/Default.aspx?alias=www.primetv.co.nz/news and the litttle boy waits. Dam dail-up is frustating. To bad I just can't just jump to the important bit. Can't wait to be back on Braodband a again.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Good turn out and the flag went well on the back

[Kiwi Graham]

Try this:

http://www.primetv.co.nz/Default.aspx?alias=www.primetv.co.nz/news

Just seen it;

400 bikes!! double my estimates (Mrs said thats about right for me :mad:)

Bloody good report, Anne, you came across really well mate..........Les has competition :yes: You're quick becoming the 'face' of Auckland bikers.

Mrs KG and I were chuffed to be on the telly and the now famous rear shot is growing in popularity. Lets see what appears in the Herald (I was interviewed too!) and radio NZ.

Its good to read the other 'park in's' around country have had a good response, I havent heard any bad feed back as yet, there is heaps of support out there for us.

[RiderInBlack]

While I still waiting for it to load up:whistle:, I like ta thank Mum and Maha for the effort they have made. Wonder what the reporter was thinking when everyone kept coming up ta give ya a hug Mum, LOL.

[Maha]

Fantastic turn out today,:2thumbsup, we all must show them we mean business:mad:.,,will post up on facebook:rockon:

Is your Harley White also? We rode down with a White sporty and I saw another one turn up.

and the litttle boy waits. Dam dail-up is frustating. To bad I just can't just jump to the important bit. Can't wait to be back on Braodband a again.

Top effort guys for coming down, the feed looked good though, seemed Al was enjoying his little sausage when I walked in..


Just seen it;

400 bikes!! double my estimates (Mrs said thats about right for me :mad:)

Bloody good report, Anne, you came across really well mate..........Les has competition :yes: You're quick becoming the 'face' of Auckland bikers.

Mrs KG and I were chuffed to be on the telly and the now famous rear shot is growing in popularity. Lets see what appears in the Herald (I was interviewed too!) and radio NZ.

Its good to read the other 'park in's' around country have had a good response, I havent heard any bad feed back as yet, there is heaps of support out there for us.

Thanks for the coffee Graham, and the time spent attaching flyers on any car that stopped (both you and Mrs KG) getting ya mug on TV was the capper.

[RiderInBlack]

Finally got ta see the clip. Well done Mum. Still disapointing though as Media has cut it so short that the real message is not getting through, leaving Joe Public still in the dark thinking that the protesting is only about the Bike Levies. We need to get through that it is much more than that. It's about the whole ACC levy hikes accross the board based apond the lye that ACC is broke, when it is not. All NZérs should be worried with what Nick Smith and he's cronies are up to, and not just Bike Riders.

[Pixie]

yep, and there was another on foot mufti with a wee notebook checking out the bikes and standing in the background.

sis?......

[Mom]

Not a bad effort, though I never said ACC Insurance :pinch: The message is there though :2thumbsup

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10611012

[martybabe]

Good coverage on prime, well done all. Did kiwi Graham turn up at all, I couldn't see him anywhere:rofl:

[Naki Rat]

sis?......

That thought had crossed my mind too :shifty: If I stop posting will somebody please come looking for me :lol:

[Reckless]

Finally got ta see the clip. Well done Mum. Still disapointing though as Media has cut it so short that the real message is not getting through, leaving Joe Public still in the dark thinking that the protesting is only about the Bike Levies. We need to get through that it is much more than that. It's about the whole ACC levy hikes across the board based apond the lye that ACC is broke, when it is not. All NZérs should be worried with what Nick Smith and he's cronies are up to, and not just Bike Riders.

Agree 1000%

Here we go in black and white http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604802. Bit old but a reminder that the deals done as far as National and ACT are concerned!

I can only assume from Joe Publics lack of obvious or documented support for us they are happy for ACC to be privatised -- Fools!

[flyingcrocodile46]

Following the Kiss principle

Comments please. Any errors in spellink & facts or improvements?


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2146&pictureid=35220

[Mom]

Following the Kiss principle

Comments please. Any errors in spellink & facts or improvements?

I like "It's Time To Make Stand"

I like it alot :yes:

[Voltaire]

Crok to Nick : "I can smell the Bullshit on your breath" :whistle:

[klingon]

Following the Kiss principle

Comments please. Any errors in spellink & facts or improvements?


Who is the leaflet aimed at? If it's aimed at us (bikers) then I think it is totally appropriate. If it's aimed at the general public (kindy mums, little old ladies and gents) then I think the "bullshit" language is too strong.

Just IMO. :yes:

[caseye]

OK, so lets put "what we said to Nick in Welly" where it used to say BULLSHIT.
Or simply substitute BS for the entire word.

[Maha]

Can always change 'Bullshit' to 'Bovine teke'....:cool:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Just edited it to shorten Nick's second movement and add a bit more of a message at the end.

Re the Kids and mom collateral damage factor. No, I don't imagine too many of us fine upstanding neanderthals would think to use it inefficiently or inappropriately.

I see it only as an option that can be used where appropriate. It's over to those who want to use it, as to how and where to use it. Besides, 'Bullshit' is part of the Kiwi lingo:lol: