Nick's Nightmare off-topic posts

[Grahameeboy]

I thought that the Govt were backing down?

[Grahameeboy]

Nope.

Gov say "Increases won't be as high , probably, maybe. Nothing definate, no dollars mentioned. "Not as high" could be just $50 knocked off.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever they grudgingly remit this year, they'll be back for next year.




Wellsford is Bridge House. Not very big, and tends to be full of locals. I'm OK with it though , hopefully Maha or Mom can give an opinion on if it can handle say 50 bikers?

(If we don't get 50 turn up to the planning session we'll be struggling to get 100 for the event - we really need numbers on the 30th)

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus

[pete376403]

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus
$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

[NighthawkNZ]

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

agreed....

[Grahameeboy]

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

I know the world is against us eh.....like I have said before try and get a better private deal $ for $ and you won't beat ACC at $500...by a long way.

We will always be a target being a minority group....I mean why do we wear protective gear beyond the legal helmet law but to avoid serious injury....if what we do is not a higher risk...regardless of "No Blame"...

[Grahameeboy]

agreed....

You would.......:spanking:

[NighthawkNZ]

like I have said before try and get a better private deal $ for $ and you won't beat ACC at $500...by a long way.

Is as low as it is due to the cross-subsidisong and the more it does the cheaper leavys could be. The way ACC was set up to operate. ACC needs to re-combine the accounts into the one super account before ACC can operate at 100% efficency again. It wasn't designed to have the seperate accounts.

And that is why we must get ACC to go back to its roots and why private insurance can not compete.

However as I have always said there are better collection methods for those levys than the present system. and the levy's don't need to be as high. We know ACC is making a profit and has enough to cover all claims... and still bank 1 billion...

[MacD]

I know the world is against us eh.....like I have said before try and get a better private deal $ for $ and you won't beat ACC at $500...by a long way.
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You seem to be forgetting that in NZ we operate under a completely different injury compensation system from anywhere else. Yes, compared to the UK or even Australia, $500 may be a good deal, as in other countries you can sue where the other party is at fault. That is the fundamental difference.

In NZ we entered into an agreement with the government to give up the right to sue in return for a no-fault compensation scheme that was broadly funded and equalised costs across the community.

I presume by now you have read the comments by the architect of the scheme, Sir Owen Woodhouse:
NZ Herald Article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604027&pnum=1)

More information about the history of ACC can be found at the University of Auckland Library pages:
UoA ACC Resources (http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/subjects/bus/infosources/acc.htm)

[gwigs]

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus

Aint so bad, Bullshit...I want equity weather I ride a 50cc or 1800cc bike
Cars dont pay a different rate on cc,compare a 6lt v8 to a 1lt car ,thats a huge difference in power...same rate though...
Frankly I dont plan on rolling over for the bastards....
I,ll out on my bike making my presence known...
You sound like youre beaten already.

[mashman]

I mean why do we wear protective gear beyond the legal helmet law but to avoid serious injury....if what we do is not a higher risk...regardless of "No Blame"...

The same reason cars have airbags, crumple zones, toughened glass, seat belts etc... and some cars surpass the required ncap rating (or equiv), emission standards (like all bikes) etc...

Off line meeting in meat space to discuss and settle the game plan for Nicks Nov 30th meeting

Bridge House Warkworth. Sunday pm.

And this thread shows EXACTLY why we need to do it off line.

[Grahameeboy]

You seem to be forgetting that in NZ we operate under a completely different injury compensation system from anywhere else. Yes, compared to the UK or even Australia, $500 may be a good deal, as in other countries you can sue where the other party is at fault. That is the fundamental difference.

In NZ we entered into an agreement with the government to give up the right to sue in return for a no-fault compensation scheme that was broadly funded and equalised costs across the community.

I presume by now you have read the comments by the architect of the scheme, Sir Owen Woodhouse:
NZ Herald Article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604027&pnum=1)

More information about the history of ACC can be found at the University of Auckland Library pages:
UoA ACC Resources (http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/subjects/bus/infosources/acc.htm)

I have and I guess the only constant is change....I agree that ACC are wrong as they made a profit but I also look at things in perspective

Dont forget that in the UK if you are "at fault" you give up the right to sue...which is essentially "claiming"...ACC as it is now is still a better option.

Here is an example...with ACC they will pay 80% of your salary for your working life..in the UK, say you are 25...you have another 40 years to work but you get a lump sum based on multiples i.e 25 years worth of future salary.....if you are not at fault..with ACC you get paid 80% for 40 years....

[Grahameeboy]

Aint so bad, Bullshit...I want equity weather I ride a 50cc or 1800cc bike
Cars dont pay a different rate on cc,compare a 6lt v8 to a 1lt car ,thats a huge difference in power...same rate though...
Frankly I dont plan on rolling over for the bastards....
I,ll out on my bike making my presence known...
You sound like youre beaten already.

No I am not beaten....I just have a different view of things....

[Grahameeboy]

The same reason cars have airbags, crumple zones, toughened glass, seat belts etc... and some cars surpass the required ncap rating (or equiv), emission standards (like all bikes) etc...

Off line meeting in meat space to discuss and settle the game plan for Nicks Nov 30th meeting

Bridge House Warkworth. Sunday pm.

And this thread shows EXACTLY why we need to do it off line.

Car protection is a standard...seat belts are a legal requirement.....

[Pixie]

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

What they will say is"we dropped the Bike rego to $500 but the car rego will be $400"
So we get the blame for something they had planned all along.

[short-circuit]

No I am not beaten....I just have a different view of things....

Yeah one that involves a old man in white sitting in the clouds executing his grand plan huh?

[mashman]

Car protection is a standard...seat belts are a legal requirement.....

Is a helmet not a legal requirement? Ya got me there, car protection is standard, it always has been hasn't it?

Then again, once upon a time ther were no seatbelts in a car, airbags where an optional extra, there was no such thing as a crumple zone, cars where just metal cages that spat lead out of their rear end and shifted more than 2 people around... Protective motorcycle clothing is an optional extra!

If all you want to do is argue about are the "safety" features and pros and cons of cars v bikes, start your own thread, leaving this thread free for other purposes. If you can't do that, then i can only assume that you're here for a fight, a disinformationalist, not an open minded reasonable person and should be banned! Something i will request!



Off line meeting in meat space to discuss and settle the game plan for Nicks Nov 30th meeting

Bridge House Warkworth. Sunday pm.

And this thread shows EXACTLY why we need to do it off line.

Calendar entry here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2283&day=2009-11-29)

[MSTRS]

No I am not beaten....I just have a different view of things....

For the viewers at home, can you tell us what the world looks like through the bit you are talking out of...?

[RiderInBlack]

For the viewers at home, can you tell us what the world looks like through the bit you are talking out of...?In another thread and not here please (you could start your own one). Let's just stick to the day here.

[short-circuit]

In another thread and not here please (you could start your own one). Let's just stick to the day here.

Yes dad...sorry

[firefighter]

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus

Good for you. That'll price me into a car.

Either that or I sell the house.....

[StoneY]

I have and I guess the only constant is change....I agree that ACC are wrong as they made a profit but I also look at things in perspective

Dont forget that in the UK if you are "at fault" you give up the right to sue...which is essentially "claiming"...ACC as it is now is still a better option.

Here is an example...with ACC they will pay 80% of your salary for your working life..in the UK, say you are 25...you have another 40 years to work but you get a lump sum based on multiples i.e 25 years worth of future salary.....if you are not at fault..with ACC you get paid 80% for 40 years....

Dude are you on Nick Smiths payroll or what
This is NOT the fucking UK or godamn Australia it is New Zealand

WE the people of New Zealand entered a deal with OUR Government (not the fucking brits or the fucking Okkers, does that register with you yet?) to wave our right to sue, which I might add is also the right to be screwed over by the larger legal fund than YOU have, in excchange for certain agreeable compensation issues, and NO FAULT OR BLAME required at all

THIS Government is changing that deal with no reasonable excuse beyond opening the market to private sector for 'added value' ...lik what fuckin added value?
80% or not its a world best our ACC system, other countries are so envious of its effivciency they are trying to set up a similar scheme, while JK and Nick are trying to sell it off!

National, raping the country's assetts again to boost international business groups presence in fair little Aotearoa

Once you take time to realise this is NOT THE FUCKING UK or AUSTRALIA, have another think about the contsant bullshit of comparing apples to lemons.

I for one will eat the Apple, the lemon may have more vitamins but the Apple tastes better and is a shit load easier to swallow

Rant over, carry on

Oh and Les, good luck with this effort, great idea meeting offline

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah one that involves a old man in white sitting in the clouds executing his grand plan huh?

I have non Christian views too....huh

[Grahameeboy]

Is a helmet not a legal requirement? Ya got me there, car protection is standard, it always has been hasn't it?

Then again, once upon a time ther were no seatbelts in a car, airbags where an optional extra, there was no such thing as a crumple zone, cars where just metal cages that spat lead out of their rear end and shifted more than 2 people around... Protective motorcycle clothing is an optional extra!

If all you want to do is argue about are the "safety" features and pros and cons of cars v bikes, start your own thread, leaving this thread free for other purposes. If you can't do that, then i can only assume that you're here for a fight, a disinformationalist, not an open minded reasonable person and should be banned! Something i will request!

What has freedom of speech been banned now....and on a Biker site no less.

I am here to say my view point..your words are more fighting than I have.

[Grahameeboy]

For the viewers at home, can you tell us what the world looks like through the bit you are talking out of...?

It's a secret........

[Grahameeboy]

Good for you. That'll price me into a car.

Either that or I sell the house.....

Over $1.37 a day?

[Grahameeboy]

Dude are you on Nick Smiths payroll or what
This is NOT the fucking UK or godamn Australia it is New Zealand

WE the people of New Zealand entered a deal with OUR Government (not the fucking brits or the fucking Okkers, does that register with you yet?) to wave our right to sue, which I might add is also the right to be screwed over by the larger legal fund than YOU have, in excchange for certain agreeable compensation issues, and NO FAULT OR BLAME required at all

THIS Government is changing that deal with no reasonable excuse beyond opening the market to private sector for 'added value' ...lik what fuckin added value?
80% or not its a world best our ACC system, other countries are so envious of its effivciency they are trying to set up a similar scheme, while JK and Nick are trying to sell it off!

National, raping the country's assetts again to boost international business groups presence in fair little Aotearoa

Once you take time to realise this is NOT THE FUCKING UK or AUSTRALIA, have another think about the contsant bullshit of comparing apples to lemons.

I for one will eat the Apple, the lemon may have more vitamins but the Apple tastes better and is a shit load easier to swallow

Rant over, carry on

Oh and Les, good luck with this effort, great idea meeting offline

Oh dear...I know this is NZ...I was just illustrating how good ACC is....

Look dude...things change..you were too young to buy into ACC anyway....

If the benefit of ACC remains but in private hands whats the problem

[BMWST?]

Car protection is a standard...seat belts are a legal requirement.....

car protection is not standard...there is a huge difference between the protection afforded by a 1970 s Holden Monaro V8 and a 2009 toyota Yaris.... one....is there a difference in their acc levy?

[Grahameeboy]

car protection is not standard...there is a huge difference between the protection afforded by a 1970 s Holden Monaro V8 and a 2009 toyota Yaris.... one....is there a difference in their acc levy?

You know what I mean..even a 1970 Holden is safer than a bike

[gwigs]

Over $1.37 a day?

Still equals $500 no matter how to try to sell it..you should get a job with Nick,
Obviously you have plenty of money otherwise $500 would not bother you?
Unfortunately as a solo parent $500 is a lot to me..

[Subike]

Still equals $500 no matter how to try to sell it..you should get a job with Nick,
Obviously you have plenty of money otherwise $500 would not bother you?
Unfortunately as a solo parent $500 is a lot to me..

and as a min wage earner its a lot for me too. The increase cuts my bikes budjeted fuel allowance in half.

I will agree to support Ixion and Stoney with their judgments on proposed plans because they have already proved to me they are capable of doing the right thing for me.

[raster]

You know what I mean..even a 1970 Holden is safer than a bike

For who??? the pedestrian it just run over....:dodge:...:girlfight:

PT

[Grahameeboy]

Still equals $500 no matter how to try to sell it..you should get a job with Nick,
Obviously you have plenty of money otherwise $500 would not bother you?
Unfortunately as a solo parent $500 is a lot to me..

No I don't...and I would rather pay less but I am just looking at the perspective....the other side of the debate

Never assume....

[Grahameeboy]

For who??? the pedestrian it just run over....:dodge:...:girlfight:

PT

But unlike a biker, only one person would need ACC if they survived

[mashman]

What has freedom of speech been banned now....and on a Biker site no less.

I am here to say my view point..your words are more fighting than I have.

Sorry if my message seemed hostile, it was not meant that way. Generally, as a courtesy, when someone asks for a clean thread, it usually given, ya know, politeness :hug:. I was merely requesting that you move your posts to another thread.

Sorry for thread jack!

[short-circuit]

Ixion, just a couple of quick thoughts:

I think it's safe to release the details of a protest in terms of "Nick will be here", "we are looking for a turnout >100 bikers", etc. I think what you are probably trying to keep secret is the content of your questions so that Mr Smith cannot develop pre-tested answers. That is to say you would like to keep him of guard. The reality is that if 100 bikers turn up, very few will likely get to speak. To me, that means that very few need to know the specifics of the questions that will be asked. The rest of us just need to know the date/time and the general feel of the questions (so we know that we agree with you approach). In that respect those things would seem to me to be quite safe to be made public.

P.

Thanks for the large dollop of state the obvious

[NighthawkNZ]

Over $1.37 a day?

would do for me



If the benefit of ACC remains but in private hands whats the problem

ACC already have lawyers out and about so they don't have to make payouts... in private hands where the company is bent on profit only it will be worse... you will have less cover


You know what I mean..even a 1970 Holden is safer than a bike

Why is I always feel safer on my bike than in any car or other vehicle? maybe cause I know if there is an accident I ain't going to get trapped inside it.. i don't know... I just feel safer on the bike...

could be a only a point of prospective...

[Grahameeboy]

would do for me



ACC already have lawyers out and about so they don't have to make payouts... in private hands where the company is bent on profit only it will be worse... you will have less cover



Why is I always feel safer on my bike than in any car or other vehicle? maybe cause I know if there is an accident I ain't going to get trapped inside it.. i don't know... I just feel safer on the bike...

could be a only a point of prospective...

Fair enough....I agree with your last point though....

One point...if ACC made $1 billion surplus why would private insurance be tighter?

[NighthawkNZ]

One point...if ACC made $1 billion surplus why would private insurance be tighter?

the 1 billion was ACC as a whole... they would sell the seperate accounts err seperately

all of a sudden the 1 billion dollars split per account is not much comparitively since the traffic account is probably the smallest and the one that is struggling to make money... does it get any if it is sold

so the new owner has to make huge cut backs on payout and services, and huge levy increases to make a profit

Hence why I have said the seperate accounts must be rejoined to the super account where the cross subsidising works as it was designed to work... the day the accounts were seperated was the day ACC started to truly fall apart.

[RiderInBlack]

Fair enough....I agree with your last point though....

One point...if ACC made $1 billion surplus why would private insurance be tighter?The main part answer to that is Fully Funded Vs Funded for yearly expenses. Up until now ACC only got enough funds to pay for each year's expenses plus a slight buffer. Private Insurance uses a Fully Funded Model and try to take in each year, enough funds to cover the total cost for each claim for the life of the claim plus a much larger buffer. The Government is trying to push ACC into the Fully Funded type system like Insurance use. This type of system requires at lot larger buffer to run than ACC's present system. To do this they are pumping up the levies. The system doesn't need to be changed as it has been more than covering the expenses. Hope that answer your question.

[paddy]

Thanks for the large dollop of state the obvious

There was no need to be vitriolic.

[NighthawkNZ]

No I don't...and I would rather pay less but I am just looking at the perspective....the other side of the debate

Never assume....

Tell Nick Smith to actually look at the other side of the debate... :oi-grr:

[Grahameeboy]

Seconded! Can i hear a "MOTION CARRIED"???

Still waiting..................

[mashman]

Still waiting..................

Thanks for the pic of me carrying my motion!

Aaaaaand i'm still waiting for your response Graham:

You said: "Car protection is a standard...seat belts are a legal requirement....."

I said: Is a helmet not a legal requirement? Ya got me there, car protection is standard, it always has been hasn't it?

Then again, once upon a time ther were no seatbelts in a car, airbags where an optional extra, there was no such thing as a crumple zone, cars where just metal cages that spat lead out of their rear end and shifted more than 2 people around... Protective motorcycle clothing is an optional extra!

[Grahameeboy]

Thanks for the pic of me carrying my motion!

Aaaaaand i'm still waiting for your response Graham:

You said: "Car protection is a standard...seat belts are a legal requirement....."

I said: Is a helmet not a legal requirement? Ya got me there, car protection is standard, it always has been hasn't it?

Then again, once upon a time ther were no seatbelts in a car, airbags where an optional extra, there was no such thing as a crumple zone, cars where just metal cages that spat lead out of their rear end and shifted more than 2 people around... Protective motorcycle clothing is an optional extra!

I thought I had...:blink:

[mashman]

I thought I had...:blink:

Nope, you must have been too taken aback by the tone of my post to have actually responded. I forgive you!

[Grahameeboy]

Nope, you must have been too taken aback by the tone of my post to have actually responded. I forgive you!

I think I actually forgot...........

[mashman]

I think I actually forgot...........

Like i say. I forgive you! We could go around the houses forever, plusses and minuses car v bike etc... (bikes are coming out with traction control too, not that they need it, but hey, you gotta update everything or noone will buy it right!) but i'll always say that i have a 50 - 50 CHANCE (snigger) of being in an accident (double snigger)!!! Not a fraction more, not a micrometer less!

Anyways, if this ACC tax levy whatever they're gonna use it for comes in, then i will officially be TAXED off the road and ACC will have lost $252, (sorry add on 500 for the new Levy) lost a possible $752 from me personally. Who the hell does that benefit, it's a lose lose situation! Although the government then has a reason to raise the car tax levy the following year/month/week/day!!!!

There'll be no stopping it, it's a slippery slope designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer or dead because they can't afford ACC! If you're happy to live with that on your conscience, i'll remember that as your limp body slips from my fingers because i've broken into your house for an apple!

[Grahameeboy]

Like i say. I forgive you! We could go around the houses forever, plusses and minuses car v bike etc... (bikes are coming out with traction control too, not that they need it, but hey, you gotta update everything or noone will buy it right!) but i'll always say that i have a 50 - 50 CHANCE (snigger) of being in an accident (double snigger)!!! Not a fraction more, not a micrometer less!

Anyways, if this ACC tax levy whatever they're gonna use it for comes in, then i will officially be TAXED off the road and ACC will have lost $252, (sorry add on 500 for the new Levy) lost a possible $752 from me personally. Who the hell does that benefit, it's a lose lose situation! Although the government then has a reason to raise the car tax levy the following year/month/week/day!!!!

There'll be no stopping it, it's a slippery slope designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer or dead because they can't afford ACC! If you're happy to live with that on your conscience, i'll remember that as your limp body slips from my fingers because i've broken into your house for an apple!

Would you settle for a banana

[short-circuit]

Would you settle for a banana

:sick: I hope you mean for sustenance not pleasure :wari:

[Grahameeboy]

:sick: I hope you mean for sustenance not pleasure :wari:

Spoiler..................

[mashman]

Would you settle for a banana

it was all bound to end in a sexual fantasy... :laugh:

[Grahameeboy]

it was all bound to end in a sexual fantasy... :laugh:

Well you did say my "limp" slips through.....

[mashman]

Well you did say my "limp" slips through.....

Sorry, i have that effect on men, it's not your fault... it was me :laugh: