Nick's Nightmare off-topic posts

**Grahameeboy** · 25th November 2009, 20:29

I thought that the Govt were backing down?

**Grahameeboy** · 25th November 2009, 20:41

Originally Posted by Ixion

Nope.

Gov say "Increases won't be as high , probably, maybe. Nothing definate, no dollars mentioned. "Not as high" could be just $50 knocked off.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever they grudgingly remit this year, they'll be back for next year.

Wellsford is Bridge House. Not very big, and tends to be full of locals. I'm OK with it though , hopefully Maha or Mom can give an opinion on if it can handle say 50 bikers?

(If we don't get 50 turn up to the planning session we'll be struggling to get 100 for the event - we really need numbers on the 30th)

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus

**pete376403** · 25th November 2009, 20:49

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 25th November 2009, 20:54

Originally Posted by pete376403

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

agreed....

**Grahameeboy** · 25th November 2009, 20:55

Originally Posted by pete376403

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

I know the world is against us eh.....like I have said before try and get a better private deal $ for $ and you won't beat ACC at $500...by a long way.

We will always be a target being a minority group....I mean why do we wear protective gear beyond the legal helmet law but to avoid serious injury....if what we do is not a higher risk...regardless of "No Blame"...

**Grahameeboy** · 25th November 2009, 20:56

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

agreed....

You would.......

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 25th November 2009, 21:15

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

like I have said before try and get a better private deal $ for $ and you won't beat ACC at $500...by a long way.

Is as low as it is due to the cross-subsidisong and the more it does the cheaper leavys could be. The way ACC was set up to operate. ACC needs to re-combine the accounts into the one super account before ACC can operate at 100% efficency again. It wasn't designed to have the seperate accounts.

And that is why we must get ACC to go back to its roots and why private insurance can not compete.

However as I have always said there are better collection methods for those levys than the present system. and the levy's don't need to be as high. We know ACC is making a profit and has enough to cover all claims... and still bank 1 billion...

**MacD** · 25th November 2009, 21:28

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I know the world is against us eh.....like I have said before try and get a better private deal $ for $ and you won't beat ACC at $500...by a long way.
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You seem to be forgetting that in NZ we operate under a completely different injury compensation system from anywhere else. Yes, compared to the UK or even Australia, $500 may be a good deal, as in other countries you can sue where the other party is at fault. That is the fundamental difference.

In NZ we entered into an agreement with the government to give up the right to sue in return for a no-fault compensation scheme that was broadly funded and equalised costs across the community.

I presume by now you have read the comments by the architect of the scheme, Sir Owen Woodhouse:
NZ Herald Article

More information about the history of ACC can be found at the University of Auckland Library pages:
UoA ACC Resources

**gwigs** · 25th November 2009, 22:26

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Won't be as high will be more than a $50 drop..I reckon it will be closer to $450-500 which aint so bad..for 601cc plus

Aint so bad, Bullshit...I want equity weather I ride a 50cc or 1800cc bike
Cars dont pay a different rate on cc,compare a 6lt v8 to a 1lt car ,thats a huge difference in power...same rate though...
Frankly I dont plan on rolling over for the bastards....
I,ll out on my bike making my presence known...
You sound like youre beaten already.

**mashman** · 25th November 2009, 22:34

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I mean why do we wear protective gear beyond the legal helmet law but to avoid serious injury....if what we do is not a higher risk...regardless of "No Blame"...

The same reason cars have airbags, crumple zones, toughened glass, seat belts etc... and some cars surpass the required ncap rating (or equiv), emission standards (like all bikes) etc...

Off line meeting in meat space to discuss and settle the game plan for Nicks Nov 30th meeting

Bridge House Warkworth. Sunday pm.

And this thread shows EXACTLY why we need to do it off line.

**Grahameeboy** · 26th November 2009, 05:11

Originally Posted by MacD

You seem to be forgetting that in NZ we operate under a completely different injury compensation system from anywhere else. Yes, compared to the UK or even Australia, $500 may be a good deal, as in other countries you can sue where the other party is at fault. That is the fundamental difference.

In NZ we entered into an agreement with the government to give up the right to sue in return for a no-fault compensation scheme that was broadly funded and equalised costs across the community.

I presume by now you have read the comments by the architect of the scheme, Sir Owen Woodhouse:
NZ Herald Article

More information about the history of ACC can be found at the University of Auckland Library pages:
UoA ACC Resources

I have and I guess the only constant is change....I agree that ACC are wrong as they made a profit but I also look at things in perspective

Dont forget that in the UK if you are "at fault" you give up the right to sue...which is essentially "claiming"...ACC as it is now is still a better option.

Here is an example...with ACC they will pay 80% of your salary for your working life..in the UK, say you are 25...you have another 40 years to work but you get a lump sum based on multiples i.e 25 years worth of future salary.....if you are not at fault..with ACC you get paid 80% for 40 years....

**Grahameeboy** · 26th November 2009, 05:13

Originally Posted by gwigs

Aint so bad, Bullshit...I want equity weather I ride a 50cc or 1800cc bike
Cars dont pay a different rate on cc,compare a 6lt v8 to a 1lt car ,thats a huge difference in power...same rate though...
Frankly I dont plan on rolling over for the bastards....
I,ll out on my bike making my presence known...
You sound like youre beaten already.

No I am not beaten....I just have a different view of things....

**Grahameeboy** · 26th November 2009, 05:15

Originally Posted by mashman

The same reason cars have airbags, crumple zones, toughened glass, seat belts etc... and some cars surpass the required ncap rating (or equiv), emission standards (like all bikes) etc...

Off line meeting in meat space to discuss and settle the game plan for Nicks Nov 30th meeting

Bridge House Warkworth. Sunday pm.

And this thread shows EXACTLY why we need to do it off line.

Car protection is a standard...seat belts are a legal requirement.....

**Pixie** · 26th November 2009, 05:51

Originally Posted by pete376403

$450 - 500 fucking SUCKS. it should be no more than any other private passenger vehicle pays. Jesus wept but you roll over easy. Once you accept any difference, you accept that we are a valid target for any increase they might like to add later. And they will.

What they will say is"we dropped the Bike rego to $500 but the car rego will be $400"
So we get the blame for something they had planned all along.