Meat-free Monday

[JimO]

save the planet Paul McCartney style....fukkem and the horse he rode in on

[scissorhands]

He did marry much younger without a prenupt....

[rainman]

fukkem and the horse he rode in on

Why? The logic behind it stacks up pretty well.

Having some vego meals is a) good for your health, and b) more globally equitable. We can't all have steak dinners every night... just not enough resources to raise all that beef. (Leave aside the environmental damage, pollution, and water issues). Plus it'll save you money if you do it right.

Or are you just having a juvenile sulk at the prospect of someone advising you on how to operate your life?

[James Deuce]

No, eat his horse.

[Laxi]

No, eat his horse.

thankyou:Punk: bling sent

[MisterD]

Never eat or drink anything that's defined by what's not in it. It's a rule that's erved me well for a long time...

[rainman]

Never eat or drink anything that's defined by what's not in it. It's a rule that's erved me well for a long time...

OK, vegetarian Mondays for you then... :done:

[Pussy]

We can't all have steak dinners every night...

What's this "we" shit?
I would GLADLY have steak every night!!

[rainman]

What's this "we" shit?


It's a concept that makes a lot more sense as you grow up.... <_<

EDIT: not making sense...

[Pussy]

It's a concept that makes more at lot sense as you grow up.... <_<

Not much chance of that here, I'm afraid.
Medium rare eye fillet for me, please!

[rainman]

Not much chance of that here, I'm afraid.
Medium rare eye fillet for me, please!

Don't get me wrong, I'm an omnivore, and quite partial to the occasional steak. I'm just happy to also eat some veggo meals too. (Got to do something with the veggies I grow). Better for my health, and the planet, and my budget. If you want to forego the benefits, more fool you.

[FlangMasterJ]

How long have humans been eating meat for?

[rainman]

How long have humans been eating meat for?

A while.

How long have we been eating our current industrially farmed diet for?

[SPORK]

http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/images/Smiths_-_Meat_Is_Murder.jpg

...but so delicious.

[EJK]

Damn, Subway's Sub of the day for Monday is meatballs :(

[AllanB]

Sir Paul needs a good old venison pie from Hilliers or a smokey pork one from Hilmorton Bakery.

[rainman]

Sir Paul needs a good old venison pie from Hilliers or a smokey pork one from Hilmorton Bakery.

He'd probably enjoy that. Just not on a Monday... You know, Meatless Mondays? Leaves the rest of the week to eat other stuff. Here's a challenge: plan and cook yourself a really nice veggo meal. With a small bit of effort you'll see that nice food does not only mean food containing meat.

Anyway I suspect the "food miles" involved in a lot of local pies would be quite low. Won't talk about he fat content though... :shifty:

[James Deuce]

Vego meals are disquietingly unsatisfying. They are exactly like the act of sexual congress without the exclamation point.

[98tls]

Fill the fuckers mouth with whatever you want,just keep it full so i dont ever have to hear another lame song from him or for that matter the others of THAT band.Was crap then and its only got worse.

[Sidewinder]

dont say meat free monday in a whore house or gay bar:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[F5 Dave]

Fill the fuckers mouth with whatever you want,just keep it full so i dont ever have to hear another lame song from him or for that matter the others of THAT band.Was crap then and its only got worse.

Don't stop there, the Eagles were crap old man music too.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't stop there, the Eagles were crap old man music too.

thus proving that both you, and mr TL know fuck all about cooking, diet or music. Good to know.

[F5 Dave]

Talentless skiffle band:laugh:

Sorry I'm in my forties so my music taste is probably full of noise that is too hard for you to understand the words.

[shakes his cane] They're all screaming. Youth of today etc etc.

[Forest]

Paul calls the family together for a family conference:

"Well kids, I've got some good news and I've got some bad news"

"The bad news is that your mum passed away this morning. I'm really sorry - the Doctors did all they could, but they weren't able to keep her going"

"But the good news is we'll be having steak and chips for tea"

[Usarka]

Fuck that I just bought a big fat angus scotch fillet and I'm going to scoff it bloody on Monday.


You are what you eat. Cows eat grass. Work it out Sir Shoulda-gotta-prenup.

[Jantar]

..... Here's a challenge: plan and cook yourself a really nice veggo meal. With a small bit of effort you'll see that nice food does not only mean food containing meat.....
Ok, I've tried the planning bit. But every meal I've thought about without any meat ends up just being an empty plate.

A meal just isn't complete without a bit of dead animal on the plate.

Edit: Problem solved. My wife has suggested surf and turf with the steak. :D

[Usarka]

As the old saying goes, if god didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

[Big Dave]

What does Huxley say?

[JimO]

t.

Or are you just having a juvenile sulk at the prospect of someone advising you on how to operate your life?

yes.....listen a celebrity is talking:niceone:

[Usarka]

What does Huxley say?

Huxley says even plants are alive dude! (well a bit deeper than that)

[rainman]

Ok, I've tried the planning bit. But every meal I've thought about without any meat ends up just being an empty plate.

A meal just isn't complete without a bit of dead animal on the plate.


Sigh. Do I have to do everything for you? :)

Ratatouille (kids favourite vego meal).
Indian or Thai style curry (dhal or beans, typically). Heaps of Indian options... there's a lot of vegos in India.
Vegetarian Pizza.
Vego Quesadillas or Burritos. Or even Fajitas, but you need to substitute mushrooms for the meat and I'm not convinced that's so great.
Baked Potatoes - even if you have to put some bacon bits or ham on them they're at least a low meat meal.
Many, many pasta options. Improvise.
Stir Frys.
For lunches, homemade soup and homemade bread. Or kale, pine-nut and blue cheese pastries. I love these.
Pies - spinach, potato and feta, for example.
Felafel and rice.
Macaroni Cheese.
Pesto (on pasta or bread). Broad bean, parmesan and mint a personal favourite.
Quiche - not strict vego, but no meat.
Tostadas.
Hot and Sour chinese/vietnamese soup with udon noodles.
Potato curry and homemade roti. Fun to make and delicious.

No shortage of options if you're willing.

[Headbanger]

Sigh. Do I have to do everything for you? :)

Ratatouille (kids favourite vego meal).
Indian or Thai style curry (dhal or beans, typically). Heaps of Indian options... there's a lot of vegos in India.
Vegetarian Pizza.
Vego Quesadillas or Burritos. Or even Fajitas, but you need to substitute mushrooms for the meat and I'm not convinced that's so great.
Baked Potatoes - even if you have to put some bacon bits or ham on them they're at least a low meat meal.
Many, many pasta options. Improvise.
Stir Frys.
For lunches, homemade soup and homemade bread. Or kale, pine-nut and blue cheese pastries. I love these.
Pies - spinach, potato and feta, for example.
Felafel and rice.
Macaroni Cheese.
Pesto (on pasta or bread). Broad bean, parmesan and mint a personal favourite.
Quiche - not strict vego, but no meat.
Tostadas.
Hot and Sour chinese/vietnamese soup with udon noodles.
Potato curry and homemade roti. Fun to make and delicious.

No shortage of options if you're willing.


ad a slab of bacon to those meals and they would be sweeeet.

[AllanB]

I'd have to say I have been know to also enjoy a good hearty vege pie every now and then - Hilliers of Lincoln do a nice one :niceone:

I know a couple of vegetarians - the bit I find weird is that they have these pattie things that are designed to replicate in taste, a good old meat burger pattie. So it is OK to enjoy the taste of meat as long as it is not from a donor animal.
Possibly this is a bit like 'replicating' sex with ones own hand?

[Sidewinder]

dont eat my meat but suck on my meat monday sounds fun:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[JimO]

dont eat my meat but suck on my meat monday sounds fun:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i will pass that on to Paul mcFartney and im sure he will be in touch:niceone:

[rainman]

Mmmm. Just had a surprisingly nice food court Aloo Mutter. Tasty, cheap and filling.... and, as it happens, meatless.

(might be a bit windy around these parts for the next litte while, of course...)

[Headbanger]

I lived with some vegetarians for a few months, They were both on massive amounts of drugs, she was working as a stripper/whore and he was dealing.

The food was complete and utter shit.

[eelracing]

How long have humans been eating meat for?


Coincidently around the same time man started walking on two legs.

[Donor]

What's this "we" shit?


It's a concept that makes a lot more sense as you grow up....

"We" is when you have advanced in years from being able to toilet yourself, to needing several helpers void your bowels and do up the elastic tabs on your adult sized nappies.

And fuck being a vego - as it is said, if the gods didn't want us eating animals, they shouldn't have made them so tasty.

I has canines and mighty incisors - and I am totally prepared to use 'em!

http://i46.tinypic.com/30ax5s7.jpg

[rainman]

"We" is when you have advanced in years from being able to toilet yourself, to needing several helpers void your bowels and do up the elastic tabs on your adult sized nappies.

I'm a long way from there, fortunately. There is a great deal of good sense in understanding one's place in a community. Our move towards "rugged individualism" (at the encouragement of the neolib right and their insistence that we are 'consumers' rather than 'citizens') will eventually be seen as a colossal mistake. I blame big cities, myself.


And fuck being a vego - as it is said, if the gods didn't want us eating animals, they shouldn't have made them so tasty.

I has canines and mighty incisors - and I am totally prepared to use 'em!


Gahhh! Why do I bother? This debate isn't about being a vegetarian (I'm not), but about whether having one meatless meal a week is a terminal threat to one's manhood. Clearly many here have not yet attained a level of evolution sufficient to even take this concept on.

I don't care if you dress in furs and loincloths and run your game down in the wild, before ripping their raw steaming flesh from their bones with your mighty canines and incisors (actually, that would at least be a bit more honest than just nipping down to the supermarket for a sixpack of domesticated lamb chops...). The question is, can you eat a veg curry once a week, to benefit both you and others? Or is is that beneath your (rather dubious) mental model of yourself as alpha predator?

As the Great Frank said "The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open."

[Pussy]

"We" is when you have advanced in years from being able to toilet yourself, to needing several helpers void your bowels and do up the elastic tabs on your adult sized nappies.

And fuck being a vego - as it is said, if the gods didn't want us eating animals, they shouldn't have made them so tasty.

I has canines and mighty incisors - and I am totally prepared to use 'em!


Thanks for the enlightenment!
I don't mind SUPPLEMENTING the steak with some veg stuff...

Banana cake or rhubarb crumble is vegetarian, isn't it? :yes:

[Donor]

Gahhh! Why do I bother? This debate isn't about being a vegetarian (I'm not), but about whether having one meatless meal a week is a terminal threat to one's manhood.

It's about giving in dammit - it's the proverbial inch that we give, then the kaftan wearing, sandal slapping freakin' hippies, as well as That Woman Who Has A Moustache and her eco-cronies will be all over it, thus emasculating we eaters of the sacred flesh (Well done for me thanks...) and forcing us into a life of sal-ads (whatever the fuck THEY are) and non-sentient food munching!


...The question is, can you eat a veg curry once a week, to benefit both you and others? Or is is that beneath your (rather dubious) mental model of yourself as alpha predator?

Like hell - let the others eat the once a week veggie rubbish, leaves more meat for me! ... oh, and Pussy I s'pose...


Thanks for the enlightenment!
I don't mind SUPPLEMENTING the steak with some veg stuff...

Banana cake or rhubarb crumble is vegetarian, isn't it? :yes:

Plonker - that's dessert/breakfast food that is - hardly a dinner!

[James Deuce]

99% of the time my breakfast is vegetarian (but not Vegan) so I'm fairly confident I can say I'm 1/3rd vegetarian.

I don't like potatoes much though. So that big long list gets shorter. Mexican food just ends up on my shirt, as does Middle Eastern food. Not a huge pasta fan unless it's loaded with animal fat and salt. I love pesto, but that's more of a garnish than a food. Dhal is vile. So are chick peas. Both remind me of the unfortunate drunken evening where I woke up with my tongue stuck to the inner sole of some random shoe. Muta or Saag curries are nice, but they go well with a spicy meat curry. On their own they remind me of stroke patient food. Or diarrhea. Quiche is gross. It has the texture and taste of reconstituted vomit. In a soggy pastry shell. Mmm, mmm.

A solely vegetarian meal simply isn't appetising. I'd rather go without than eat it at all. It isn't worth the effort.

[Pussy]

Plonker - that's dessert/breakfast food that is - hardly a dinner!
Fair enough... I do like asparagus this time of the year, too....



not good for golden shower though

[rainman]

99% of the time my breakfast is vegetarian (but not Vegan) so I'm fairly confident I can say I'm 1/3rd vegetarian.

...whiny bit redacted...

A solely vegetarian meal simply isn't appetising. I'd rather go without than eat it at all. It isn't worth the effort.

Ah well, guess you lose out then.

I understand not everyone likes dhal or channa, but how can you not like potatoes? As the saying goes, I don't know what's wrong with you, man, but I bet it's hard to pronounce... :)

[kwaka_crasher]

Why? The logic behind it stacks up pretty well.

No, it doesn't. Meat is delicious and nutritious and an excellent source of protein.


Having some vego meals is a) good for your health, and b) more globally equitable.

There's no evidence it's better for your health to skip eating meat one night a week. As for 'globally equitable' I have no idea what this buzz phrase is supposed to mean (and really don't much care to) but it seems that you're suggesting that by eating meat we're somehow taking something from someone else, most likely those in third world countries. That actually fits in nicely with my philosphy of fuck the poor.


We can't all have steak dinners every night... just not enough resources to raise all that beef. (Leave aside the environmental damage, pollution, and water issues). Plus it'll save you money if you do it right.

Who is having steak dinners every night? That would get awfully boring. As would tofu, lentils and mung beans. As for saving money, meh, who cares. I earned it - I'll spend it how I want.


Or are you just having a juvenile sulk at the prospect of someone advising you on how to operate your life?

Exactly what is juvenille about telling busy-body celebrities to mind their own fucking business regarding what people decide to do with their own lives whilst hypocritically wasting resources on their own pursuits?

Speaking of which, Lucy Clueless can go fuck herself. :done:


Gahhh! Why do I bother? This debate isn't about being a vegetarian (I'm not), but about whether having one meatless meal a week is a terminal threat to one's manhood. Clearly many here have not yet attained a level of evolution sufficient to even take this concept on.

Fucked if I know why you bother. But it's not a threat to manhood but a threat to our freedom of choice. I'm not giving the inch that leads to the mile.

It's actually purely because of evolution that we recognise the role meat plays in our existance.

[Blackflagged]

Damn, Subway's Sub of the day for Monday is meatballs :(

Thats right it is to! Might skip the Beer instead.

[Jantar]

Sigh. Do I have to do everything for you? :)

Ratatouille (kids favourite vego meal).
Indian or Thai style curry (dhal or beans, typically). Heaps of Indian options... there's a lot of vegos in India.
Vegetarian Pizza.
Vego Quesadillas or Burritos. Or even Fajitas, but you need to substitute mushrooms for the meat and I'm not convinced that's so great.
Baked Potatoes - even if you have to put some bacon bits or ham on them they're at least a low meat meal.
Many, many pasta options. Improvise.
Stir Frys.
For lunches, homemade soup and homemade bread. Or kale, pine-nut and blue cheese pastries. I love these.
Pies - spinach, potato and feta, for example.
Felafel and rice.
Macaroni Cheese.
Pesto (on pasta or bread). Broad bean, parmesan and mint a personal favourite.
Quiche - not strict vego, but no meat.
Tostadas.
Hot and Sour chinese/vietnamese soup with udon noodles.
Potato curry and homemade roti. Fun to make and delicious.

No shortage of options if you're willing.

But there is no food listed there at all. Only side dishes to accompany the food. :wacko:

[EgliHonda]

Damn, Subway's Sub of the day for Monday is meatballs :(

Pretty sure that's as close to vegetarian as you can get, aint much 'meat' in them meatballs... Actually, next time you're bored, take a look at the subway 'bacon'. Don't know what it's made of, but every strip is identical, the pink and white stripes must be painted on in some giant assembly line.

Subway is just McD's without the burgers, and no sexually ambiguous former chubster fronting the ads will convince me it is healthy. If you don't want pie and chips cos you're a fat bastard go down the local bakery/cafe instead and get a proper bread roll with real food inside it...

[Swoop]

save the planet Paul McCartney style....fukkem and the horse he rode in on
Unfortunately, last Friday I had a vegetarian meal...

The catering staff really dropped the clanger and provided vegetarian sausages.
#1: They taste FUCKING DISGUSTING! No other way of describing it.
#2: The past three days have been a fart-fest. I now have a much better understanding of the saying "farting like a vegitarian" as it has much truth to it. Having watched people graze through a massive plate of greenery and been subjected to their ozone-depleting, greenhouse-effecting, global warming farts, I am unimpressed.

When I say the sausages were fucking disgusting, I was not kidding.:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::puke:

[The Pastor]

I have pasta everynow and again. Its pretty good.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Speaking of which, Lucy Clueless can go fuck herself. :done:


OK, I will take one for the team and sort that shit out for you. A dirty job (and it would be verrrrrry dirty) but someone's gotta do it. It would be like climbing a big mountain*: exciting, dangerous, but so worth it for the view from on top.





*well two big mountains.


do you think if I asked nicely she'd wear the Xena costume?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Pretty sure that's as close to vegetarian as you can get, aint much 'meat' in them meatballs... Actually, next time you're bored, take a look at the subway 'bacon'. Don't know what it's made of, but every strip is identical, the pink and white stripes must be painted on in some giant assembly line.

Subway is just McD's without the burgers, and no sexually ambiguous former chubster fronting the ads will convince me it is healthy. If you don't want pie and chips cos you're a fat bastard go down the local bakery/cafe instead and get a proper bread roll with real food inside it...

A-men brutha!

[Ixion]

I actually ate half a vegetarian pizza the other day, without realising what it was.

[James Deuce]

I actually ate half a vegetarian pizza the other day, without realising what it was.
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Medic! Man down!

[Ixion]

Actually, it tasted OK. Dunno how they did it. Almost like real food. That's how come I got half way through without realisng what i wa doing. Then I had to rush out and wash my throat out with bleach

[rainman]

Just had one final thought. Given the fossil fuel intensity (http://www.grist.org/article/the-oil-intensity-of-food/) of modern industrial agriculture, and the fact that in the medium term (at best) some of those inputs will be getting a great deal more expensive, you determined lads who can't imagine a life with less meat... will either be reaching way deeper into your pockets, or learning some new options.

[Jantar]

....you determined lads who can't imagine a life with less meat... will either be reaching way deeper into your pockets, or learning some new options.
We already grow more sheep than we can eat. Plenty of rabbits etc. Overall we only buy about half the meat we eat.

[davebullet]

I actually ate half a vegetarian pizza the other day, without realising what it was.

To stop the whining, I considered eating half a vegetarian the other day. How about we have cannibalistic Mondays instead?

[Jantar]

Im believe I am a vegetarian. I only eat those animals that eat grass or other vegetation.

[Pussy]

Im believe I am a vegetarian. I only eat those animals that eat grass or other vegetation.

Right with you there, Jantar.
Cows eat grass.. cows are made from steak... sorted! :niceone:

[Brian d marge]

We do eat far to much meat and it DOES cause a few global problems

I would love to cut down and eat meat only once a week , and make that really nice free range meat

BUT

I have a shit load of money burning a hole in me pocket and I am on the way out tonight to Tabehodai and Nomihodai ( eat and drink all you can )

I intented to make Hone Harawerea feasting inn the political trough look like its a Paris salon for dainty Fashionistas !

YEEEEEHAAAAAAA

I want COW ,,,,Bring ME COW !


Stephen

[Karl08]

Meat Free Mondays will become the reserve of the inner city dwelling, trendy lefties etc, who will respond like Pavlov's Dog to the bell rung by any celebrity who is trying to save the world.

God, it sickens me! Just because you fronted the Beatles, U2, or stared in Xena does not give you the right (or the qualifications) to lecture the rest of us! If you dare question them or their sycophantic followers, you some how hate the earth and all the whales etc.

Sure, do what you want to do- don't eat meat, hug whales, eat only raw food, fly half way round the world to protest at climate change conferences, I don't care- but let the rest of us make up our own minds.

Lets put Bono and Paul on an island and see how long their "ideals" last- I give them half a day before they are at each others throat fighting for the last coconut up the tree.

There, that feels better.

I had toast earlier- that's vegetarian enough for me.

[Pussy]

I had toast earlier- that's vegetarian enough for me.

As long as you had some mince on it, that's quite acceptable....

[Karl08]

to my shame it was mince less- I am sorry, I don't know what I was thinking.

[Pussy]

to my shame it was mince less- I am sorry, I don't know what I was thinking.

Good that you feel guilty about it. That's healthy. Try to eat an extra pie or steak tomorrow

[Brett]

Plenty of rabbits to shoot and eat. Replace the Monday red meat with little thumper....

[bikemike]

Do people really eat meat every day? I mean I love meat, have no shame in that. My most memorable meal was venison meat balls in green pepper sauce, followed by half a stuffed lobster, and a pint of stout :-)

Also, I have figured out (no I have no idea what my blood type is) that my body likes some red meat. So I eat it.

However, I could not eat it every day. When I do that I crave veggies! I like half my meal to be veggies, and I like fish a couple of times a week. Other times, I have no meat on my main meal.

And, of course it's generally true what they say about land, and water and meat for food rather than grains, nuts, seeds etc. And, there's been some pretty conclusive evidence of late that indicated the increased risk of cancers from eating red meats, but that it is mitigated hugely by eating lots of fresh greens too.

So, point being, can't we be happy with feet in both camps? Why is it sandal-wearing yoghurt weavers at one end, 'wipe it's arse and pull the horns out' at the other end, and (apparently) no one in the middle?

Who's in the middle?

[Jantar]

......

So, point being, can't we be happy with feet in both camps? Why is it sandal-wearing yoghurt weavers at one end, 'wipe it's arse and pull the horns out' at the other end, and (apparently) no one in the middle?

Who's in the middle?
Yes, plenty of people in the middle.

Rainman gave a lovely list of side dishes to accompany food, and I, like most people, do like some veges with my food.


Ratatouille (kids favourite vego meal).
Indian or Thai style curry (dhal or beans, typically). Heaps of Indian options... there's a lot of vegos in India.
Vegetarian Pizza.
Vego Quesadillas or Burritos. Or even Fajitas, but you need to substitute mushrooms for the meat and I'm not convinced that's so great.
Baked Potatoes - even if you have to put some bacon bits or ham on them they're at least a low meat meal.
Many, many pasta options. Improvise.
Stir Frys.
For lunches, homemade soup and homemade bread. Or kale, pine-nut and blue cheese pastries. I love these.
Pies - spinach, potato and feta, for example.
Felafel and rice.
Macaroni Cheese.
Pesto (on pasta or bread). Broad bean, parmesan and mint a personal favourite.
Quiche - not strict vego, but no meat.
Tostadas.
Hot and Sour chinese/vietnamese soup with udon noodles.
Potato curry and homemade roti. Fun to make and delicious

[LBD]

No, eat his horse.
I did and do...bout 1 a month ago at the Navigatot bar and resteraunt on Razakova...they do it spicy...been on the menu the 3 years I have been here


Never eat or drink anything that's defined by what's not in it. It's a rule that's erved me well for a long time... Caffine free diet coke.....why bother?


Vego meals are disquietingly unsatisfying. They are exactly like the act of sexual congress without the exclamation point.


Huxley says even plants are alive dude! (well a bit deeper than that)

I was having a little lay down in the vegie patch the other day....nattering away to the lettuces about slug bait selection, when I over heard a conversation between row of militant silverbeet and a couple of brochli plants that had gone feral....the strong language they were using to describe vegans....

Put me right of most vegies...though the did say potatos and other tubor root vegies were a bit on the dense side, and unlike the more intelligent "above" ground leafy types and they would not be missed from the patch if I must have chips with my steak and egg dinner.....

(Spot of Douglas Adams inspiration there)

[Brian d marge]

OOOHHH

i WANT A BUCKET

A Bucket

we did it again ,,,, ohhh those bacon and cheese on a stick were nice ,,,

Ill need about a month to digest this ,,,

Stephen