Separate the Police from the scum...

[idleidolidyll]

Good move!

Nothing damaged respect for real police more than combining them with over officious revenue collectors with radar guns: split them back up and restore the good name of the NZ Police (the unsworn pigs with radar guns will never have respect)

Merging the traffic service with the police force was a bureaucratic bungle, says Garth George.

As all of us who have had dealings with them can attest that the brains of bureaucrats grind exceeding slow. Which is why it has taken Police Commissioner Howard Broad 3 years of his five-year term to conclude that traffic enforcement should be separated from traditional policing.
In the demented "reform" era of the late 1980s and early 1990s, when the police took over traffic enforcement from the almost universally despised traffic cops section of the old Transport Department, it seemed like a good idea. As did the earlier takeover by the Transport Department of municipal traffic departments, which saw the end of the more despised traffic cops who were employed by cities.
But within a short time it proved to be a serious error of judgment, for nothing has so damaged the public's regard for the New Zealand Police as the decision to turn sworn police officers into radar gun operators and ticket-writers.
Mr Broad told the parliamentary law and order committee last week that he was "quite uncomfortable" with fully sworn police being used for road policing, since they were often just "sitting there with their radar gun".


I suspect he's been uncomfortable for a long time, for I well remember him squirming beside his then political mistress, Annette King, back in 2006 while he tried to explain the difference between "quotas" and "performance targets" imposed on frontline police officers.
Mrs King had called a press conference to deny that police had a quota system for the issue of speeding tickets, yet all it served to do was to drive another nail into the coffin of public respect for the police.
There was a time - most of my life, in fact - when the police were held in higher regard than in almost any other country.
That hasn't been the case for nearly 20 years now, and the decline in the public's esteem for the police dates from its 1992 takeover of traffic enforcement.
But now, at last, the powers-that-be have decided that the two should again be separated, although remain under the umbrella of the police. I have no argument with that, but the separation of traffic enforcement must not just be done - it must be seen to be done.
It will not be sufficient simply to recruit and train "transport enforcement officers", dress them in a police uniforms and assign them a car. It will have to go much further than that if the public is to be persuaded that the new traffic cops are not just ordinary cops in disguise.


Continues: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10615932

[TimeOut]

Totally agree, I used to have the greatest respect for the police not anymore

[Fluffy Cat]

Looks like a case of can't see the trees for all the trees. Traffic cop who is not a cop is still a cop. Just minus a few powers.
It strikes me as strange that this has come up at this time and it appears that many have not noticed the raft of punitive measures that have been introduced or are in the pipeline for motorists. Local bodies are gearing up for their speed cameras as we speak...don't worry they are for accident black spots only.
All this shows us is this things are about to get better for revenue gatherers. The sop to us muggins will be this "but they are not police".
You have been warned....:buggerd:

[The Baron]

First I have heard of this but I agree. And yes it will take some time to repair the damage done to the good police force we used to have so many years ago.
I too have been stopped by a "thug with a badge" who run up one side of me and down the other and it has made me wonder if I would now go to the aid of an officer in need.
It will be interesting to watch this unfold.

[Storm]

I'm all for it. One hopes, somewhat naievely that this means more police able to respond to burglaries, arsons, etc- offenses that require police NOW, not when they are avaiable.
Hopefully, more people will want to join the police once they are seen to be, as you put it, police, not radar gun operators. And that can oonly be a good thing for us all

[CookMySock]

There are plenty of sworn police that are assholes. I reckon start a website up with examples of their stupidity. That will make them think twice.

Steve

[Tank]

There are plenty of sworn police that are assholes. I reckon start a website up with examples of their stupidity. That will make them think twice.

Steve

We have been thru this DB. If you want to get really tough - start a facebook group. That scares the fuck out of them that does.

Still - I guess its only fair - I know a website with over a four thousand seven hudred post by you showing your stupidity.

[Okey Dokey]

I agree that having separate traffic cops and real cops is a good idea. I don't know that all traffic cops should be called scum; I think there were many who were quite good and used their knowledge and discretion wisely. I think the whole 'revenue gathering' thing has evolved since the two were merged.

[SPORK]

There are plenty of sworn police that are assholes. I reckon start a website up with examples of their stupidity. That will make them think twice.

Steve
Take it international.

[awayatc]

yep....worst thing that ever happened to and for NZ police....
Revenue collectors have no respect, nor do they earn it...
Police are held in much higher regard....
But how can you tell them apart?

[martybabe]

Local bodies are gearing up for their speed cameras as we speak...don't worry they are for accident black spots only.


I assume you're being tongue in cheeky there but for those that don't know this is how the disease broke out in the UK but it rapidly went from black spots to any spots. Anywhere and everywhere now, no authoritative body can resist when the money starts rolling in.

The traffic police have all but gone replaced by cash registers on poles, no leniency no discretion no intelligence, Drive like a complete nutter if you want to, there's every chance you'll get away with it but God help you if you forget to emergency brake before you pass one of Kojaks Kodaks.

You think some of your 'coppers' are intransigent, you try claiming clemency from an office girl receiving instructions from a 2 metre pole on the street. :buggerd:

[Renegade]

Take it international.

shit that still makes me laugh

[SPman]

I assume you're being tongue in cheeky there but for those that don't know this is how the disease broke out in the UK but it rapidly went from black spots to any spots. Anywhere and everywhere now, no authoritative body can resist when the money starts rolling in.
The traffic police have all but gone replaced by cash registers on poles,

Interesting that a couple of Constabularies are pulling out Gatsos and putting more police back on patrol - with resulting drop in accident rates.......

[scumdog]

:oi-grr:Beware of what you wish for.

IF they do have a 'new' Traffic Department you may well find it is manned by even more zealous types handing out even more tickets for even more trivial offences...53kph anyone???.:(

[avgas]

the good police force we used to have so many years ago.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?
Sorry but that is BS - the old cop shop was just as bad as the new one. At least the new one can only sit on their arse holding a radar.
The "good - ol' cops" were corrupt, racist arseholes who had dodgey dealings on all sides.
You want to buy drugs - talk to the cops first.

Theft was shocking in the 80's - and the cops knew who were doing it, but wouldn't do a thing about it.

100's of cops abused their power and became rapist and the likes (cases we are only just dealing with now).

Regulations? "Your tail lights lights broken..."

Sorry but at least the current way the police force means that you can report shit. And most of the cops now are good now. I would say 1 out of 10 is a bad egg. But 20 years ago that would have been 6 out of 10.

We had 2 outboards stolen out of a lock-up shed, ended up 'buying' them back through a tip that a cop gave us. Turns out the local drug dealer had taken them.
Drug dealer was not taken in for ANYTHING, and the cops all got a Christmas bonus.

Crims are more dangerous now than then.

[scumdog]

WHAT?!?!?!?!?
Sorry but that is BS - the old cop shop was just as bad as the new one. At least the new one can only sit on their arse holding a radar.
The "good - ol' cops" were corrupt, racist arseholes who had dodgey dealings on all sides.


Ooh, you make it seem so...wrong..

[Skyryder]

I'd listen to SD on this one. The MOT officers had no where near as much law enforcment legislation as they will have now if the 'powers' are seperated.

Some of them could be real shits. One thing with the police they do get proper training and if they stuff up there is a fair bit of media attention on them. This will not happen to the same extent with unwarrented personal. Still it's a signal that the merger has not worked and just for the record I was against this at the time it happened.




Skyryder

[idleidolidyll]

Ooh, you make it seem so...wrong..

it was all wrong

as i've said before, my disrespect for the cops started when i was very young

getting booked at 16 years old for going too slow and holding up a cop when i was at thew back of a line of traffic set the scene

likewise the other police; first hand experience of racist cops and cops into very dodgy shit but of course they were, and still are to a great extent, a law unto themselves and in the 70's, only a fool would try to do anything about the corrupt cops

[Mr Merde]

Mr III,
We got our own back occasionally.
I remember getting home from my basic army training to be greeted by the baliffs. They were there to collect the fine for "riding witrhout a WOF". I was in Waiouru at the supposed time. Baliffs told me to appeal the case. I did and gathered documents. A leteer from my commanding officer stating that i was in Waiouru and not awol at the time. Minutes before the case was heard in the appeal court the MOT cop approached me and told me that they knew it wasnt me but if I didnt plead guilty they would do my little brother for theft. I stood before the judge (court of appeal has judges not magistrates) and pleaded guilty. Judge asked me why and I pointed to the MOT sargent and said in a loud voice "because if I didnt he was going to proscecute my brother for theft". The whole court laughed and the judge commended me on using my rights. As I had pleade guilty he had to fine me. 50 cents. No points , no costs. He then turned to the cop and ordered him to meet in the judges chambers immediately.

I like to think that this particular cops career was screwed because of that.

Mr III, I hope you remember this case little brother.

[SixPackBack]

:oi-grr:Beware of what you wish for.

IF they do have a 'new' Traffic Department you may well find it is manned by even more zealous types handing out even more tickets for even more trivial offences...53kph anyone???.:(

Agreed. Ozzie coppers ticket from 1kmh over the limit.:gob:

[smoky]

...... this is how the disease broke out in the UK but it rapidly went from black spots to any spots. Anywhere and everywhere now, no authoritative body can resist when the money starts rolling in.


After living there for some considerable time, I have to say the one ticket I received in 6 years was from a camera, the 8 I have received in the last 5 years back in NZ have all been from Nazi Police
We are so over policed on our roads it's ridiculous, and the practice of Police sitting 'fishing' for revenue is pathetic.

Give me the Police in the UK any day, over the NZ dorks

[MIXONE]

After living there for some considerable time, I have to say the one ticket I received in 6 years was from a camera, the 8 I have received in the last 5 years back in NZ have all been from Nazi Police
We are so over policed on our roads it's ridiculous, and the practice of Police sitting 'fishing' for revenue is pathetic.

Give me the Police in the UK any day, over the NZ dorks

I think the sight of a 5o car on the side of the road "fishing" is a far greater deterant to shit driving then a camera.
8 tickets in 5 years?I suppose you are another one getting persecuted then.

[smoky]

I think the sight of a 5o car on the side of the road "fishing" is a far greater deterant to shit driving then a camera.
8 tickets in 5 years?I suppose you are another one getting persecuted then.

Another puritanical prick


I don't care what anyone thinks, if you do upwards of 1500 ks a week you'll start accumulating tickets in NZ.

I use to drive a lot quicker in the UK, I've had to slow down dramatically in NZ. Fair enough, there seems to be too many idiots killing themselves here and we seem to think more police and wanky ideas will sort it out. (Not enough being done about improving our roads or targeting police where it will make a difference).

The thing with non discriminating cameras are; they don't normally put them at the end of double laned sections of road catching people trying to get passed slower traffic, you don't normally see them 200 meters before open road signs catching those who start accelerating to soon. They don't single out WRX's, Skyline's, Alpha Romeo's... or other particular cars because their owners must be boy racers or drug dealers

[scumdog]

(Not enough being done about improving our roads ).


Speaking of which, how many serious crashes are 'caused' by bad roads as say opposed to efwitted drivers not paying attention to what is all around them?

Not a lot I expect.

(And yes, before all you start screeching your keyboards off I do realise ANY crash is bad, regardless of cause)

[FJRider]

I use to drive a lot quicker in the UK, I've had to slow down dramatically in NZ. Fair enough, there seems to be too many idiots killing themselves here and we seem to think more police and wanky ideas will sort it out. (Not enough being done about improving our roads or targeting police where it will make a difference).



The current Police policy is working then ...

I would expect anyone doing "upwards of 1500 km's a week" to be suitably qualified to handle "dangerous" roads, by travelling over them at an appropiate speed. A speed that is both safe ... and legal.

[Kickaha]

Another puritanical prick
I don't care what anyone thinks, if you do upwards of 1500 ks a week you'll start accumulating tickets in NZ.


I do 1500km a fortnight so I must be below the threshold because I have yet to get one

[red mermaid]

I do about 1000 km a week and are yet to get a ticket.

[Kickaha]

I do about 1000 km a week and are yet to get a ticket.

But you're under the 1500km a week threshold to, things must change when you get to that:msn-wink:

[SixPackBack]

I do 1500km a fortnight so I must be below the threshold because I have yet to get one

Harley riders and owner/riders of antique motorsickles hardly add weight to the argument:blink:

[scumdog]

Harley riders and owner/riders of antique motorsickles hardly add weight to the argument:blink:

Now THERE'S non-sequituer to 'go straight in the pool-room'!:blink:

[smoky]

Speaking of which, how many serious crashes are 'caused' by bad roads as say opposed to efwitted drivers not paying attention to what is all around them?

Not a lot I expect.

And that's about as pathetic an answer as one would expect from someone who has so been brian washed they no longer possesses the capacity for logic

if someone is stuck behind truck after truck, then behind a caravan then held up by a line of traffic with some old person pootling along - gets frustrated and tries to over take in dangerous place - result; fatal accident, then of course you wankers put it all down to efwitted drivers. the rest of the world provide top class roads with duel carriage ways.

We have tons of room in this country but there is a reluctance to widen roads!

[smoky]

But you're under the 1500km a week threshold to, things must change when you get to that:msn-wink:


I do about 1000 km a week and are yet to get a ticket.

Rangiora, Manawatu - may have something to do with it.
Try living up here an commuting to Auckland
When I was tripping to Te Kuiti daily I would see at lest 3 and sometimes as many as 5 cops each way on a 40 minute drive.
There wouldn't be a day driving to Auckland where I don't see at lest 4 or 5 each way. on Friday there were 6 camera vans between Hamilton and Auckland city.

I went years without getting tickets, then I changed cars to a model that seemed to get more attention despite driving at the same speeds, so I have changed it and hope to avoid any more tickets

[scumdog]

We have tons of room in this country put there is a reluctance to widen roads!

But we don't have fuckin' tons of money to create this wish of yours (by the sounds of it a coutry full of autobahn like roading), we're a tin-pot country with the population of one city in say, the USA - but spread thoughout a pretty unstable and stretched-out landscape covering way more real estate than said US city.

Sorry to bite at your troll but some may take it on face value what you said was the nub of the matter.

And to rub it in I do loads of km - but not all in the 'work' car - yet my one speeding ticket was in 1987....(go, bag me for driving/riding like a granny, I don't worry)

[smoky]

But we don't have fuckin' tons of money to create this wish of yours (by the sounds of it a coutry full of autobahn like roading), we're a tin-pot country with the population of one city in say, the USA - but spread thoughout a pretty unstable and stretched-out landscape covering way more real estate than said US city.

Sorry to bite at your troll but some may take it on face value what you said was the nub of the matter.

It's only one answer, and you'll find what we spend per capita on roading is not up to international standards, and the quality of the roading is crap - old thinking, old techniques.


I do loads of km - but not all in the 'work' car - yet my one speeding ticket was in 1987....(go, bag me for driving/riding like a granny, I don't worry)
as I said before, it has a lot to do with where you drive and what you drive

I've done 30,000ks on my bike this year with no tickets on that

[scumdog]

It's only one answer, and you'll find what we spend per capita on roading is not up to international standards, and the quality of the roading is crap - old thinking, old techniques.


Then find what they ARE spending the money on and make them spend it on roading instead..I bet those beneficiarys will appreciate how much better the roads are when they pick up their benefit - and the old, infirm and unwell as won't get jiggled too much when out and about too...

But seriously, where are those '$ per capita on roading' figures? and what other countries are we comparing here?

[idleidolidyll]

they don't have to spend ANY extra money

contracts and by laws have always required the roads to be left in safe condition OR signposted

that suggests that there is no will to police the dangerous after effects of road works: what are the police doing about this road danger?

do YOU ever report gravel or book any companies/councils for CREATING dangerous roads?

[spudchucka]

There are plenty of sworn police that are assholes. I reckon start a website up with examples of their stupidity. That will make them think twice.

Steve

Sort of like how Kiwibiker has become a web site for posting examples of biker stupidity, (especially those from Edgecumbe)??

[avgas]

We have tons of room in this country but there is a reluctance to widen roads!
Errr sir you do realise the population in NZ is less that a pub in Farnborough?
Who will pay for such roads?

I do believe you are a little unrealistic. You say the roads are dangerous? Yet you don't want to fix it.

ITS NOT MY FAULT!! WAAAAA!!! comes to mind.

The day I realised that I could only control myself, was the day I found I got less tickets, crashed less, and was calmer on the road.

But now I am those boring sods you talk about. The responsible adult ones. What a bunch of dicks we are.

[avgas]

do YOU ever report gravel or book any companies/councils for CREATING dangerous roads?

Its the big world buddy - got a problem. fix it yourself.

[idleidolidyll]

what a dumb post: you want ME personally to go out and sweep roads when current laws and contracts actually require the roadworkers to do so?

[avgas]

what a dumb post: you want ME personally to go out and sweep roads when current laws and contracts actually require the roadworkers to do so?

Or quit complaining.....or complain to someone other than us.....
really you have lots of options in front of you.
pick one

[Tank]

what a dumb post: you want ME personally to go out and sweep roads when current laws and contracts actually require the roadworkers to do so?

Anything that has you standing in the middle of the road on corners works for me.

[peasea]

But we don't have fuckin' tons of money to create this wish of yours (by the sounds of it a coutry full of autobahn like roading), we're a tin-pot country with the population of one city in say, the USA - but spread thoughout a pretty unstable and stretched-out landscape covering way more real estate than said US city.

Sorry to bite at your troll but some may take it on face value what you said was the nub of the matter.

And to rub it in I do loads of km - but not all in the 'work' car - yet my one speeding ticket was in 1987....(go, bag me for driving/riding like a granny, I don't worry)

Aha, so you do speed (or have done), thought so.

[Tone165]

To my recolection the whole amalgamation of Traffic and Police was one of those "Political Furphies"

They said

"Vote for us and we'll get 900 more Police because we are all about law and order"

so the ppl voted

and they gave all the traffic cops a new hat and a pay rise..and said

"There ya go suckers...900 new Policemen!"

And now they are going to do it again?????

If you think they are going to do it to make your life better.....contact me urgently as I have this harbour bridge that I need to sell..cheap!

I would like to see a return to the good old days where the Police were generally respected, but suspect that will never happen, ppl are different these days, and the damage is pretty severe!

I suspect that the ppl these days who respect the Police are those who have had very little or no dealings with them. I have had 2 "meetings" with NZ Police and both have been "acceptable" that is to say, they were polite, proffessional, used a little discression, but I still got one (deserved) ticket.

I have had many "meetings" with Qld (Traffic) Police and can tell you without fear of contradiction that they are a pack of brain dead, mean spirited, rude, arrogant, money grabbing, dishonest, Nazi's

The Qld Police have been trying to recruit from NZ Police for a long time..I don't know how successful they have been, I don't recall ever getting pulled over by a Kiwi, perhaps they convert to "asshole" once they get the Qld Uniform and pistol.

[avgas]

The Qld Police have been trying to recruit from NZ Police for a long time..I don't know how successful they have been, I don't recall ever getting pulled over by a Kiwi, perhaps they convert to "asshole" once they get the Qld Uniform and pistol.

Or they don a Nazi SS uniform and work for workcover.......who are apparently above the law and common sense

[Patrick]

There are plenty of sworn police that are assholes. I reckon start a website up with examples of their stupidity. That will make them think twice.

Steve

That'll match the place where the public examples of stupidity end up - in the court room...?


WHAT?!?!?!?!?

Regulations? "Your tail lights lights broken..."

Wasn't that from a B grade (or was it a C grade ? ) movie?

...., and the cops all got a Christmas bonus.

Missed out on those....:gob: And I was there in the 80s.


.....and just for the record I was against this at the time it happened.

+1.

Many were.

The Govt thought they knew better. But it won't change. OZ, the US and the like have one "department" only. NZ was the odd one out with having seperate agencies, so the change came along. 19 years ago.


it was all wrong

as i've said before, my disrespect for the cops started when i was very young

getting booked at 16 years old for going too slow and holding up a cop when i was at thew back of a line of traffic set the scene



Disrespect for a "cop" or a "traffic cop?"

THere was a difference back then (if you are older than 34 or slightly more...).

[scumdog]

Aha, so you do speed (or have done), thought so.

Yep, once (And have said so about six or more times on KB)

Oh no, now I'm just a common criminal desperado pleb like all the rest:devil2: - I guess I will have to put down that first stone I was about to cast:gob:

[peasea]

Yep, once (And have said so about six or more times on KB)

Oh no, now I'm just a common criminal desperado pleb like all the rest:devil2: - I guess I will have to put down that first stone I was about to cast:gob:

Welcome aboard DP, now that we've cleared that up you can get back to cleaning all those windows in your glass house.

[Fatjim]

I'd almost agree with the split, except the snakes have lost so much respect from enforcing poor transport policy I fear for there safety.

[smoky]

Errr sir you do realise the population in NZ is less that a pub in Farnborough?
Who will pay for such roads?
We pay enough in road tax and tax on fuel to be driving on super F***in highways paved with gold
We build in such an old world way, never doing a proper job, that we spend twice as much repairing them all the time


I do believe you are a little unrealistic. You say the roads are dangerous? Yet you don't want to fix it.

Who said I don't want to fix it? How do you know what I may or may not of done about it? You shoot your mouth off way too much.


The day I realised that I could only control myself, was the day I found I got less tickets, crashed less, and was calmer on the road.
You're so self righteous aren't you - obviously anyone who has speeding tickets is insane, out of control and crashes all the time?


But now I am those boring sods you talk about. The responsible adult ones. What a bunch of dicks we are.

Well at lest you've got something right

you're an idiot with nothing sensible to add to any conversation. Who said I was crashing? dickhead.
And for your information none of the tickets were on a bike, and I don't blame anyone else but my self for them - but I am alowed to think that cops are retards with power issues, our system for policing roads is focused in the wrong direction - I believe in democracy, but understand how it works, unlike your self.

[Mr Merde]

We pay enough in road tax and tax on fuel to be driving on super F***in highways paved with gold

We build in such an old world way, never doing a proper job, that we spend twice as much repairing them all the time



....

You are so right there.

Punt Hill leading to Onewhero in Franklin. I've lived out thart way for 3 years now and have seen them resurface this hill at least 8 times.

Once they removed the tarmac surface just a day before a predicted weather bomb where very heavy rainfall was correctly predictede. Resulting in the road beingf washed away to a depth of 2 metres and being out of use for 3 months whilst being repaired.

Watched them resurface another time. Truck drove up the hill pouring tar out the back, second truck followed pouring stones out onto the road, third vehicle graded the stones and finally a roller followed crushing the stones into the wet tar. Needles to say that within weeks the surface was sliding once more down the hill.

[smoky]

Its the big world buddy - got a problem. fix it yourself.

Shooting your mouth off and presuming too much as usual, just because some one is highlighting an issue on KB don't presume that's all they do about it - we're not all full of piss and wind like your self

Some people actually do try to make a difference for all


I've come across a lot of re-surfacing lately (seems it is the season), all of it with loose chip seal (even a week or 2 later). It is one of the elements we motorists must be ready for on our roads. I've even seen 4-wheeled motorists get a lil' jiggy when they hit it. If ACC were serious about injury prevention in the "motor vehicle account", they might want to lean on NZTA/roading contractors to make the road surfaces that much less hazardous. IdleIdolIdyll's been calling for it as long as I've known him.

[PrincessBandit]

Before this degenerates completely into a bitchslapfest between who speeds/who doesn't speed/who does the most miles/who has the biggest dick...

What is wrong with riding/driving to the conditions? Yes, we have all been stuck behind trucks, busses, caravans, old people...(said t-i-c) and it's all part of being a mature enough road user to accept that patience must be employed a lot more often than we'd like.

Sometimes I feel motorcyclists in particular are so enamored of their bikes ability to accelerate/pass/blow off other motorists that they consider it a personal insult to them as a rider to be in a situation where they are actually stuck (like everyone else) in a queue.

Trust me, I'm sure most of you are old enough (like me) to remember the bad old days when there were even LESS dual carriage ways on our roads than there are now!

Get over it. Ride to the conditions. Take time to smell the bloody roadside flowers - who knows you might live longer due to less stress. Not to mention not giving in to the temptation to execute a highly dodgy overtake and end up dead.

p.s. I would welcome the split back to Police/MoT (or whatever they'd be called), but then I'm a goody two shoes.

[SixPackBack]

Before this degenerates completely into a bitchslapfest between who speeds/who doesn't speed/who does the most miles/who has the biggest dick...

What is wrong with riding/driving to the conditions? Yes, we have all been stuck behind trucks, busses, caravans, old people...(said t-i-c) and it's all part of being a mature enough road user to accept that patience must be employed a lot more often than we'd like.

Sometimes I feel motorcyclists in particular are so enamored of their bikes ability to accelerate/pass/blow off other motorists that they consider it a personal insult to them as a rider to be in a situation where they are actually stuck (like everyone else) in a queue.

Trust me, I'm sure most of you are old enough (like me) to remember the bad old days when there were even LESS dual carriage ways on our roads than there are now!

Get over it. Ride to the conditions. Take time to smell the bloody roadside flowers - who knows you might live longer due to less stress. Not to mention not giving in to the temptation to execute a highly dodgy overtake and end up dead.

p.s. I would welcome the split back to Police/MoT (or whatever they'd be called), but then I'm a goody two shoes.


Ahem:wari:...............:msn-wink::niceone::devil2:

[avgas]

I don't blame anyone else but my self for them - but I am alowed to think that cops are retards with power issues
Glad to hear you don't blame anyone else for your ticket woes. Many on KB do not understand that tickets are of their own doing - very few people get speeding tickets without the key in the ignition.

Why do you think cops are retards with power issues?

As for being self righteous. I suppose you can call it that. I pity those that aren't self righteous enough to think they decide what to do in their life.

Democracy is a simple strategy. Your vote is just as useless as everyone elses
(or as important as mine)

[avgas]

Get over it. Ride to the conditions. Take time to smell the bloody roadside flowers - who knows you might live longer due to less stress. Not to mention not giving in to the temptation to execute a highly dodgy overtake and end up dead.

Nice One! temptation gets mighty strong some times though

[smoky]

What is wrong with riding/driving to the conditions? Yes, we have all been stuck behind trucks, busses, caravans, old people...(said t-i-c) and it's all part of being a mature enough road user to accept that patience must be employed a lot more often than we'd like.

Trust me, I'm sure most of you are old enough (like me) to remember the bad old days when there were even LESS dual carriage ways on our roads than there are now!

Get over it. Ride to the conditions. Take time to smell the bloody roadside flowers - who knows you might live longer due to less stress. Not to mention not giving in to the temptation to execute a highly dodgy overtake and end up dead.

So according to that logic - no one should be complaining about anything - just put with it

of course we ride to the conditions, but what I'm pointing out is the one eyed approach to how the roads accidents are responded to - it's all the fault of the motorist, police them harder - if we keep going down the track we'll all be in soft wrapped foam cars doing 30 klm/hr every where - no deaths on our roads

The attitude of the police is crap, there is a whole lot of positive things they could be supporting, groups they could be working with to help reduce the road toll - but no, they prefer their donuts and radars siting on their fat arses and 'fishing' - then throwing their weight around like Nazis when they pull some one over, then patting them selves on the back believing they're actually making a difference

A cop who thinks pulling people traveling slightly over the speed limit 200 meters form an open road sign, who sits at the end of double over taking lanes to try to catch people getting past traffic, who stand up in court and openly lie to ensure they get a conviction - they deserve no respect, they have limited brains and need to be sacked

[smoky]

Take time to smell the bloody roadside flowers - who knows you might live longer due to less stress. Not to mention not giving in to the temptation to execute a highly dodgy overtake and end up dead.


Nice One! temptation gets mighty strong some times though

You two sound like you only ride a motorbike cause you're too lazy to ride a push bike

If I want to smell the bloody flowers I'd ride a push bike or buy a convertible

[avgas]

Missed out on those....:gob: And I was there in the 80s.
I have been busted for a 2-stroke 'smoking' too much.....

[avgas]

buy a convertible
Nah those things are horrible on your hair ;)

[smoky]

I have been busted for a 2-stroke 'smoking' too much.....
She got busted for smoking once to

[sondela]

:oi-grr:Beware of what you wish for.

IF they do have a 'new' Traffic Department you may well find it is manned by even more zealous types handing out even more tickets for even more trivial offences...53kph anyone???.:(

Meh, they can't get much more zealous than they already are :(

[avgas]

Meh, they can't get much more zealous than they already are :(

And "we can't get ripped off for higher ACC levies"
I said that back in 2004

[Patrick]

Meh, they can't get much more zealous than they already are :(

Must be waaaaay too young to remember the Auckland City Council Traffic Cops then....

Had one try and push his way into the Armed Offenders Squad Room after a squaddie responding to a callout was caught speeding but continued on to the station to gear up without stopping for him....

Initially, fair enough.... But even after it was plainly obvious what was occurring he still tried to push in past the unit, into the "armoury."

I recall the Police Inspector responding to a call over the radio for advice, asking for his response to be heard by the traffic cop... "If he doesn't get the hell out of there right now, lock him up for obstruction."

He left........

[Edbear]

Before this degenerates completely into a bitchslapfest between who speeds/who doesn't speed/who does the most miles/who has the biggest dick...

What is wrong with riding/driving to the conditions? Yes, we have all been stuck behind trucks, busses, caravans, old people...(said t-i-c) and it's all part of being a mature enough road user to accept that patience must be employed a lot more often than we'd like.

Sometimes I feel motorcyclists in particular are so enamored of their bikes ability to accelerate/pass/blow off other motorists that they consider it a personal insult to them as a rider to be in a situation where they are actually stuck (like everyone else) in a queue.

Trust me, I'm sure most of you are old enough (like me) to remember the bad old days when there were even LESS dual carriage ways on our roads than there are now!

Get over it. Ride to the conditions. Take time to smell the bloody roadside flowers - who knows you might live longer due to less stress. Not to mention not giving in to the temptation to execute a highly dodgy overtake and end up dead.

p.s. I would welcome the split back to Police/MoT (or whatever they'd be called), but then I'm a goody two shoes.

Surely you're not suggesting personal responsibility here...? :girlfight:


You two sound like you only ride a motorbike cause you're too lazy to ride a push bike

If I want to smell the bloody flowers I'd ride a push bike or buy a convertible

You'd be surprised what you cna smell on a bike. While lanesplitting I've smelled cigarettes and cigars, perfume and cologne and I swear even B.O.!


Another puritanical prick

I don't care what anyone thinks, if you do upwards of 1500 ks a week you'll start accumulating tickets in NZ.

I use to drive a lot quicker in the UK, I've had to slow down dramatically in NZ. Fair enough, there seems to be too many idiots killing themselves here and we seem to think more police and wanky ideas will sort it out. (Not enough being done about improving our roads or targeting police where it will make a difference).

The thing with non discriminating cameras are; they don't normally put them at the end of double laned sections of road catching people trying to get passed slower traffic, you don't normally see them 200 meters before open road signs catching those who start accelerating to soon. They don't single out WRX's, Skyline's, Alpha Romeo's... or other particular cars because their owners must be boy racers or drug dealers

Has anyone actually considered the reason for getting speeding tickets...? :whistle:


Speaking of which, how many serious crashes are 'caused' by bad roads as say opposed to efwitted drivers not paying attention to what is all around them?

Not a lot I expect.

(And yes, before all you start screeching your keyboards off I do realise ANY crash is bad, regardless of cause)

Funny you should say that. I've been driving NZ roads all over the country for nearly 40 years. I've ridden bikes and driven cars at speeds in excess of the old 'ton'.

I used to see if I could beat my time to work from Warkworth to Wellsford on the old T500, (best time was about 8min, from memory), and today that stretch is considered one of the most 'dangerous' roads in the country, yet I was regularly topping 105mph on it on a bike that had weak drum brakes, a flexi-frame, '70's tyres and suspension that would be laughed at today.

I've never had a serious accident. I've slid off metal roads twice, once to avoid a cattle truck and once when rounding a tight bend to find a silly woman stopped in the middle of the road...

Much of my working life has been driving a variety of vehicles daily over all types of roads. I have never claimed insurance for an accident. Am I a super - skilled driver? Why do so many people die and get maimed driving the same roads at slower speeds? Is it the road, or the driver?

I'm sure many on here have similar history to me in this regard. I don't count myself as special in any way...

[MIXONE]

Another puritanical prick






While I don't sacrifice chickens at the altar of Satan I have never been accused of being puritanical.A prick yes many times.
One ticket in the last 6 years tells me that I ride/drive more appropriately then you.
When I was young,dumb and full of cum I could wallpaper my room with the tickets I used to get but luckily I grew up.Try it you might like it.:baby:

[smoky]

W.
One ticket in the last 6 years tells me that I ride/drive more appropriately then you.


No tickets on my bike in 20 years, so by your logic it's the other way around smart arse

[rastuscat]

Meh, they can't get much more zealous than they already are :(

You're having a laugh, surely.

I'm one of the scum (ex-ACC, ex-MoT), and if I was really zealous I'd just wait at a roundabout and ticket every person who didn't indicate. Hell, it would be so much easier than doing what we do now.

There are 100 ways we could write more tickets, but we don't as we tend to target specific offences. My team now stake out intersections and deal with people who crash traffic lights, or who fail to stop at stop signs.

Hell, if I was zealous my lot could triple our output.

[98tls]

You're having a laugh, surely.

I'm one of the scum (ex-ACC, ex-MoT), and if I was really zealous I'd just wait at a roundabout and ticket every person who didn't indicate. Hell, it would be so much easier than doing what we do now.

There are 100 ways we could write more tickets, but we don't as we tend to target specific offences. My team now stake out intersections and deal with people who crash traffic lights, or who fail to stop at stop signs.

Hell, if I was zealous my lot could triple our output. To be honest fella after 39 odd years riding bikes i have to agree that your job is akin to taking candy from babies,sure theres the odd bloke who approaches it with glee never missing a chance but hey lets face it road users no matter how many wheels underneath them make it farkin easy to do so in this country.

[Winston001]

This discussion overlooks the fact that the NZ Police have had a dedicated Highway Patrol section operating since 2000. Essentially they are defacto traffic officers.

So splitting off a Traffic Unit is dead easy provided they are offered the same terms and conditions.

I do note that Howard Broad isn't in favour.

[red mermaid]

This discussion overlooks the fact that the NZ Police have had a dedicated Highway Patrol section operating since 2000. Essentially they are defacto traffic officers.

So splitting off a Traffic Unit is dead easy provided they are offered the same terms and conditions.

I do note that Howard Broad isn't in favour.

Your statement above shows your total lack of understanding and knowledge of the job that HP officers do.
I just love how everyone is an expert of the job that police do, and especially traffic staff, but have never done the job.

[Ronin]

Your statement above shows your total lack of understanding and knowledge of the job that HP officers do.
I just love how everyone is an expert of the job that police do, and especially traffic staff, but have never done the job.

Not sure what your getting at there. There is a dedicated HP whom are all sworn officers. They even have different cars and they are as a rule not tasked to general police work. Winston sorta has it nailed.

[Winston001]

Your statement above shows your total lack of understanding and knowledge of the job that HP officers do.
I just love how everyone is an expert of the job that police do, and especially traffic staff, but have never done the job.

Hmmm.......I'm completely open to being corrected - please explain. Perhaps you are thinking about the Commercial Traffic unit (known by truckies as the God Squad) which focus only on trucks. I know a couple of constables who transferred to the HP and happy to do so because they saw it as a lot less pressure.

[scumdog]

To be honest fella after 39 odd years riding bikes i have to agree that your job is akin to taking candy from babies,sure theres the odd bloke who approaches it with glee never missing a chance but hey lets face it road users no matter how many wheels underneath them make it farkin easy to do so in this country.

Ain't THAT the truth huh!

No end of road users (they would like to think of themselves as 'drivers'/'riders') out there who are as *dumb as a sack of nails when it comes to being on the road - kinda like shooting fish in a barrel really.

*Quite a few seem to post on KB....

[oldrider]

Good move!

Nothing damaged respect for real police more than combining them with over officious revenue collectors with radar guns: split them back up and restore the good name of the NZ Police (the unsworn pigs with radar guns will never have respect)

Merging the traffic service with the police force was a bureaucratic bungle, says Garth George.

As all of us who have had dealings with them can attest that the brains of bureaucrats grind exceeding slow. Which is why it has taken Police Commissioner Howard Broad 3 years of his five-year term to conclude that traffic enforcement should be separated from traditional policing.
In the demented "reform" era of the late 1980s and early 1990s, when the police took over traffic enforcement from the almost universally despised traffic cops section of the old Transport Department, it seemed like a good idea. As did the earlier takeover by the Transport Department of municipal traffic departments, which saw the end of the more despised traffic cops who were employed by cities.
But within a short time it proved to be a serious error of judgment, for nothing has so damaged the public's regard for the New Zealand Police as the decision to turn sworn police officers into radar gun operators and ticket-writers.
Mr Broad told the parliamentary law and order committee last week that he was "quite uncomfortable" with fully sworn police being used for road policing, since they were often just "sitting there with their radar gun".


I suspect he's been uncomfortable for a long time, for I well remember him squirming beside his then political mistress, Annette King, back in 2006 while he tried to explain the difference between "quotas" and "performance targets" imposed on frontline police officers.
Mrs King had called a press conference to deny that police had a quota system for the issue of speeding tickets, yet all it served to do was to drive another nail into the coffin of public respect for the police.
There was a time - most of my life, in fact - when the police were held in higher regard than in almost any other country.
That hasn't been the case for nearly 20 years now, and the decline in the public's esteem for the police dates from its 1992 takeover of traffic enforcement.
But now, at last, the powers-that-be have decided that the two should again be separated, although remain under the umbrella of the police. I have no argument with that, but the separation of traffic enforcement must not just be done - it must be seen to be done.
It will not be sufficient simply to recruit and train "transport enforcement officers", dress them in a police uniforms and assign them a car. It will have to go much further than that if the public is to be persuaded that the new traffic cops are not just ordinary cops in disguise.


Continues: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10615932

Respect is subjective and can only be earned not demanded or legislated for! :oi-grr:

The real reason there is no respect for the police is because members of New Zealand society have lost their own "self respect"!

Physician, heal thy self!

In other words take a good look at the man in the mirror! :Pokey:

[scumdog]

Respect is subjective and can only be earned not demanded or legislated for! :oi-grr:

The real reason there is no respect for the police is because members of New Zealand society have lost their own "self respect"!

Physician, heal thy self!

In other words take a good look at the man in the mirror! :Pokey:

Now ain't THAT the truth!

It's the 21st century, John.

It's always 'somebody elses' fault nowadays.:rolleyes:

No such thing as personal responsibilty.:weep:

[caseye]

Here here, well said oldrider.

[FJRider]

It's always 'somebody elses' fault nowadays.:rolleyes:

No such thing as personal responsibilty.:weep:

And every dipshit on the road knows THEIR rights ... regardless of the fact that they have endangered the safety of other road users, thus impede on their rights to a safe journey...

The "my rights are more important than yours" syndrome ...

[MotoKuzzi]

Seems to me the only genuine reason for splitting traffic away from the rest of police is same reason it was merged in the first place. Lower cost. Dumb down traffic by employing officers with fewer legal powers and pay them less.

[smoky]

Now ain't THAT the truth!

It's the 21st century, John.

It's always 'somebody elses' fault nowadays.:rolleyes:

No such thing as personal responsibilty.:weep:

And of course there is no balance to be had;
Wanky one eyed cops overly officious and inflexible in the discharge of their duties, “fishing’ or patrolling for the sake of the biggest catch $$$$ only, wouldn’t even think of their responsibility to the reputation of the police would they?

Cops who can’t see past their own perceived importance and the need to impose their authority on some on else, to see the harm they do to the image and uniform they portray, who loose sight of the real job – the greater good they could achieve - where’s their responsibility?

Sitting on your F###kin fat arse with a radar gun, eating donuts waiting to entrap anyone who slightly digresses from the strict letter of law. Bunch of wankers


And every dipshit on the road knows THEIR rights ... regardless of the fact that they have endangered the safety of other road users, thus impede on their rights to a safe journey...

The "my rights are more important than yours" syndrome ...

That's a very fair point - and if that was the case, no one would argue. I've seen drivers doing the most appalling thing on the roads, you see people coming coming out of the pub obviously impaired and getting behind the wheel of a car, those driving unregistered unwarranted cars (normally because they car isn't safe enough to get a WOF); when the cops were actually targeting those wankers it's all good.
Yesterday we saw a van full of adults and children - it was so full the children had nowhere to sit down, the back wheels were on an insane angle, they were doing about 100 Klm/hr on the motorway with a space-saver wheel on? A cop traveling the same direction, ignored them and pulled over a guy in a BMW who was doing maybe 120.
Now you can say he deserved it because he was speeding - speed kills of course, but to ignore the obvious accident in the waiting? That's when I find it a bit stupid - who's the most at risk of killing someone? But then again who's most likely got the deeper pockets? and if you were a cop; you'd feel much more important and cool if you harassed a dude in a flash BMW than a poor Islander family in the van - wouldn't you

[scumdog]

waiting to entrap anyone who slightly digresses from the strict letter of law.

Oh, EVERYBODY thinks THEIR particular 'digress' is minimal - and in their opinion not their fault....:whistle:

[smoky]

Seems to me the only genuine reason for splitting traffic away from the rest of police is ..... Dumb down traffic by employing officers with fewer legal powers and pay them less.

From what I can see they already pay peanuts - and employ monkeys

[smoky]

Oh, EVERYBODY thinks THEIR particular 'digress' is minimal - and in their opinion not their fault....:whistle:

And that's about the limit of your thinking

[humphrt]

being a traffic cop must be like goin fishing. theres a river full of the basterds but you are never gonna catch them all or the biggest either. if you are caught speedin thats your own dumb fault, its got nuttin to do with what the other fish were doin, wrong place wrong time. you made the choice. not sayin im innocent at all just gotta take responsability for what YOU do.

[scumdog]

And that's about the limit of your thinking

Wrong.

It is my experience.

Have I met you??:whistle:

[FJRider]

That's a very fair point - and if that was the case, no one would argue. I've seen drivers doing the most appalling thing on the roads, you see people coming coming out of the pub obviously impaired and getting behind the wheel of a car, those driving unregistered unwarranted cars (normally because they car isn't safe enough to get a WOF); when the cops were actually targeting those wankers it's all good.
Yesterday we saw a van full of adults and children - it was so full the children had nowhere to sit down, the back wheels were on an insane angle, they were doing about 100 Klm/hr on the motorway with a space-saver wheel on? A cop traveling the same direction, ignored them and pulled over a guy in a BMW who was doing maybe 120.
Now you can say he deserved it because he was speeding - speed kills of course, but to ignore the obvious accident in the waiting? That's when I find it a bit stupid - who's the most at risk of killing someone? But then again who's most likely got the deeper pockets? and if you were a cop; you'd feel much more important and cool if you harassed a dude in a flash BMW than a poor Islander family in the van - wouldn't you

So Police target "activities" that are illegal ... not merely unsafe ... and you see a problem with that ... ???

[FJRider]

Oh, EVERYBODY thinks THEIR particular 'digress' is minimal - and in their opinion not their fault....:whistle:

and the first words out of their mouths is often "I wasn't hurting anybody ... what the big deal ???" ...

[Ronin]

and the first words out of their mouths is often "I wasn't hurting anybody ... what the big deal ???" ...

Yup and they will stick with that argument right up to the point where someone else guilty of the very same digression affects them.

Movable Morals.

[FJRider]

Yup and they will stick with that argument right up to the point where someone else guilty of the very same digression affects them.

Movable Morals.

Bling limits suck ...

[Ronin]

I sued to work in a high pressure, high stress job. There was one particular employee would would given any chance tell me in no uncertain terms how easy my job was, how I was doing it wrong and making his job that much more difficult. After 14 long years I was offered the job of my dreams and jumped ship. They have now (to my knowledge) been through 4 different people trying to do the job I used to do, one of them of course being the gentleman who knew better. He lasted 3 months before the absolute mindfuckery of the job aggravated his heart condition and he collapsed under the stress of it all.

My point? If you really feel that policing the roads, community, scum bags and dear old ladies is so easy, apply for the job and do it your selves.

I know I wouldn't for all the tea in China and I have a great deal of respect for those that do.

[Ixion]

You're having a laugh, surely.

I'm one of the scum (ex-ACC, ex-MoT), and if I was really zealous I'd just wait at a roundabout and ticket every person who didn't indicate. Hell, it would be so much easier than doing what we do now.

There are 100 ways we could write more tickets, but we don't as we tend to target specific offences. My team now stake out intersections and deal with people who crash traffic lights, or who fail to stop at stop signs.

Hell, if I was zealous my lot could triple our output.

Yes, but by your own statement, you are old school snake.

The snakes could be real zealous, sure. And so are some of todays cops. But it is a question of what they are being zealous ABOUT.

I never had much complaint about the snakes (well, I did complain, one has to, but I knew that it just for the form of it). If you came to their attention you could expect them to be tough. But, if you came to their attention it was likely because you were doing something actually unsafe or stupid, not just because of some pedantic rule breach. Ride sensible and you were like as not ignored or signalled to slow down. (which does still happen today of course)

The traffic cops employed by the small towns and broughs were a whole different matter. They were just plain power mad bastards. ACC and MoT were professionals.

[scumdog]

If you came to their attention you could expect them to be tough. But, if you came to their attention it was likely because you were doing something actually unsafe or stupid, not just because of some pedantic rule breach.

Like the number plate on your bike being bent? (to fit the bracket).

Does that fit the 'unsafe or stupid' catagory enough...

[Patrick]

Wrong.

It is my experience.

Have I met you??:whistle:

My experience too.

Apparently some don't need to meet people to make up their own minds about others.......

[Fatjim]

I find there are just too many things to whinge about in this life.

[smoky]

Have I met you??:whistle:

I don't need to meet you to know you're small
P.S - it's only the interet, it's only opinion

[FJRider]

I find there are just too many things to whinge about in this life.

Must be the Goverments fault that ... if they did their job right, we wouldn't have anything to moan about. ;)

Time for a change maybe ... ??? :innocent:

[red mermaid]

Must be the Goverments fault that ... if they did their job right, we wouldn't have anything to moan about. ;)

Time for a change maybe ... ??? :innocent:

Hell yeah, its got to be someone elses fault..it could never be mine! ;)

[Morcs]

So if they split them back up again, we dont have to pull over for the traffic guys cos they arent cops ay?

[red mermaid]

So if they split them back up again, we dont have to pull over for the traffic guys cos they arent cops ay?

MoT officers could arrest for failing to stop, so if you drove dangerously while failing to stop for them, they could arrest you for failing to stop but not for dangerous driving. :crazy:

[CookMySock]

Actually the Oldskool MoT boys I have never had a problem with. Ever. Theres a couple of them around here, and they have had more than one occasion to speak with me over the years, and every time bar none they have been firm but fair, and if I was doing something stupid I got told and/or fined, and when there was something to be rectified I was told to go rectify it, or else. And I did.

To this day I have nothing but respect for them, and I appreciate the work they do keeping things in check on the roads. Sometimes I get a finger waggle reminder, and sometimes I get a written reminder. Fair is fair.

The sworn police are quite a different matter. Without fail, when I need their help they want to argue about what I might have done to bring the situation upon myself, and when someone ELSE has some menial complaint against me the book of fine print comes out and I get the long lecture followed by the throwing of said book. Fuck them. I won't talk to them again about anything.

Bring back the MoT officers I reckon.

Steve

[oldrider]

Bring back the MoT officers I reckon.

Steve

You have very little personal control over that happening!

You do have 100% control over "Steve"!

Try creating change by working on improving his performance!

Then again getting positive change there may prove more difficult than bringing back the MOT officers! :lol:

[CookMySock]

You have very little personal control over that happening!Well it does not bother me greatly. It is more an observation than a wish.


You do have 100% control over "Steve"!Well that is the assumption and we can only but strive. :wacko:
Steve

[scumdog]

Actually the Oldskool MoT boys I have never had a problem with. Ever. Theres a couple of them around here, and they have had more than one occasion to speak with me over the years, and every time bar none they have been firm but fair, and if I was doing something stupid I got told and/or fined, and when there was something to be rectified I was told to go rectify it, or else. And I did.

To this day I have nothing but respect for them, and I appreciate the work they do keeping things in check on the roads. Sometimes I get a finger waggle reminder, and sometimes I get a written reminder. Fair is fair.

The sworn police are quite a different matter. Without fail, when I need their help they want to argue about what I might have done to bring the situation upon myself, and when someone ELSE has some menial complaint against me the book of fine print comes out and I get the long lecture followed by the throwing of said book. Fuck them. I won't talk to them again about anything.

Bring back the MoT officers I reckon.

Steve

So how DO you tell an Oldskool MoT boy from 'sworn police' these days - both lots wear the same uniform. (Yes, there's still ex-MOT patrolling the roads...)

[nodrog]

Actually the Oldskool MoT boys I have never had a problem with. Ever. Theres a couple of them around here, and they have had more than one occasion to speak with me over the years, and every time bar none they have been firm but fair, and if I was doing something stupid I got told and/or fined, and when there was something to be rectified I was told to go rectify it, or else. And I did.

To this day I have nothing but respect for them, and I appreciate the work they do keeping things in check on the roads. Sometimes I get a finger waggle reminder, and sometimes I get a written reminder. Fair is fair.

The sworn police are quite a different matter. Without fail, when I need their help they want to argue about what I might have done to bring the situation upon myself, and when someone ELSE has some menial complaint against me the book of fine print comes out and I get the long lecture followed by the throwing of said book. Fuck them. I won't talk to them again about anything.

Bring back the MoT officers I reckon.

Steve

for fucksake, does nobody like you?

[Tony.OK]

So how DO you tell an Oldskool MoT boy from 'sworn police' these days - both lots wear the same uniform. (Yes, there's still ex-MOT patrolling the roads...)

Shouldn't be too hard.................they'll be the last ones to turn up to a real police callout:o:whistle::innocent:

[Ixion]

So how DO you tell an Oldskool MoT boy from 'sworn police' these days - both lots wear the same uniform. (Yes, there's still ex-MOT patrolling the roads...)

S' easy. All those years of wearing jodhpurs have made their legs a funny shape. And their lips keep twitching, still unaccustomed to lack of moustache. So you just look for a cop with funny shaped legs and twitchy lips. Shitloads of them out there.

[red mermaid]

Nah, they are the 'E'xcellent ones out there....:msn-wink::yes::innocent::shifty:

[Blackflagged]

:oi-grr:Beware of what you wish for.

IF they do have a 'new' Traffic Department you may well find it is manned by even more zealous types handing out even more tickets for even more trivial offences...53kph anyone???.:(

Anyone remember when Auckland City had there own traffic deptment. Falk!

[oldrider]

Anyone remember when Auckland City had there own traffic deptment. Falk!

People who don't remember those times have no idea how bad it was, it was like the keystone cops and even worse than it is now!

Who said "be carefull what you wish for", it would be wise to think about that and I have been through all of it, I think it is better how it is!

But I do think the police need more support from parliament and the Judicary and even more from the public at large!

The public at large today are absolute arseholes by comparison to the public at large (if take an equal time span) when traffic and police were merged!

Maybe we are focussing on the behaviour of wrong group! :mellow:

[duckonin]

There are plenty of sworn police that are assholes. I reckon start a website up with examples of their stupidity. That will make them think twice.

SteveMost don't think at all DB, just power trippers, ex council gardners, rubbish collectors that type join the force to get the free dope push others around and drive fast cars for free, trouble is now they may let them loose with firearms now fuck that would be a worry for if they miss the target ...Well....

[duckonin]

From what I can see they already pay peanuts - and employ monkeys

smoky I would love to be earning $60,000 plus and I an't no monkey

[scumdog]

Most don't think at all DB, just power trippers, ex council gardners, rubbish collectors that type join the force to get the free dope push others around and drive fast cars for free, trouble is now they may let them loose with firearms now fuck that would be a worry for if they miss the target ...Well....

Summed up nicely - so when do you join??:whistle::wait:

[Toaster]

The public at large today are absolute arseholes by comparison to the public at large

Exactly right. And police have pushed for years to ensure their ranks are filled with a more accurate representation of society.

[Berries]

join the force to get the free dope push others around and drive fast cars for free,

Fuck. Where do I sign up ? Now that would be a better work story. Not sure about the group sex initiation thing though.

[CookMySock]

Most don't think at all DB, just power trippers, ex council gardners, rubbish collectors that type join the force to get the free dope push others around and drive fast cars for free, trouble is now they may let them loose with firearms now fuck that would be a worry for if they miss the target ...Well....Exactly. MoT officers from way back I have always found to firm but fair. Idiot pigs are just always-right idiot pigs on a mission. Fuck help you if you get on the wrong side of them. There will be exceptions both ways I am sure.

Bring back the MoT officer. Get them talking about the problem, doing stuff in schools, teaching motorcycling skills, and bridging the gap between them and the public. Vet them to avoid the power trippers.

Sure, speedsters are still going to push it here and there, and they are going to get taxed for it, and that is never going to change.

Steve

[scumdog]

Exactly. MoT officers from way back I have always found to firm but fair. Idiot pigs are just always-right idiot pigs on a mission. Fuck help you if you get on the wrong side of them. There will be exceptions both ways I am sure.

Bring back the MoT officer. Get them talking about the problem, doing stuff in schools, teaching motorcycling skills, and bridging the gap between them and the public. Vet them to avoid the power trippers.

Sure, speedsters are still going to push it here and there, and they are going to get taxed for it, and that is never going to change.

Steve

Well, what can I say??:blink::shifty:

[caseye]

Not much,our DB actually made sense!
I'd be all for seperating the two and then for taking the Politicians oars out of the back pockets of the senior Police members so that the police can be run as the autonomus entity it once was and still shoud be.

[scumdog]

Not much,our DB actually made sense!
I'd be all for seperating the two and then for taking the Politicians oars out of the back pockets of the senior Police members so that the police can be run as the autonomus entity it once was and still shoud be.

Too hard to 'unmake the omelet' (for the politicians.)

[duckonin]

Summed up nicely - so when do you join??:whistle::wait:

HA HA I wouldn't fit in SD I have not got a big guts on me with sticks for arms typical of the NZ police and I do tend to tell the truth..:innocent:

[Indoo]

Academically you would also struggle and racists really don't last long in any profession aside from maybe gardening, rubbish collecting and the the like.

[Edbear]

Exactly right. And police have pushed for years to ensure their ranks are filled with a more accurate representation of society.

Hmmmm... I think they wanted persons of different races and cultures by this, not the more questionable dregs...