Cliffhanger

[wbks]

I'm having a little trouble loading their website for some reason, so can someone tell me how much $ it is just to do a flying mile or ride on the Saturday? And is there anyone here who has maybe been there and knows how much riding, on average, someone would get in on Saturday

[Clivoris]

Are they running one soon? It's been a while since I've done the sprints but from memory I got a total of about 8 runs on 2 bikes. Pretty much depends on how many turn up but they are well run events.

[wbks]

Are they running one soon? It's been a while since I've done the sprints but from memory I got a total of about 8 runs on 2 bikes. Pretty much depends on how many turn up but they are well run events.Aren't they march every year? By the way, I meant the hill climb practice/fun day on saturday also

[Clivoris]

Ohh:Oops:. The Hillclimb. Yep I think March is it. One of the best events on the NZ racing calender IMHO, and doing both days is definitely the way to go. My recollection is you get about 6 runs per day, again depending on entries and incidents. Bloody good value.

[wbks]

Ohh:Oops:. The Hillclimb. Yep I think March is it. One of the best events on the NZ racing calender IMHO, and doing both days is definitely the way to go. My recollection is you get about 6 runs per day, again depending on entries and incidents. Bloody good value.Oh, aren't the mile runs and hillclimbs on the same date? I guess the two days aren't really different apart from your times being taken on the second, race day, right?

[wharfy]

Oh, aren't the mile runs and hillclimbs on the same date? I guess the two days aren't really different apart from your times being taken on the second, race day, right?

Traditionally the "sprints" are held in September/November and the "Hillclimb" in March. The cliffhanger is shit hot !!!

http://www.cliffhanger.org.nz/

[wbks]

If I was to noob it up I wouldn't get in any experienced racers way, would I?

[wharfy]

If I was to noob it up I wouldn't get in any experienced racers way, would I?

No, runs are done one at a time - theoretically the fastest rider could catch the slowest if they ran in that order but it hasn't happened yet (as far as I know)

[wbks]

well I saw someone on a duc did a 15 min lap so as long as I beat that it should be sweet lol

[Clivoris]

If I was to noob it up I wouldn't get in any experienced racers way, would I?

Noobs welcome mate. We've all had to pop that cherry. The Hillclimb is a totally seperate event to the sprints. Held at a different venue with a different purpose.
The Hillclimb is a timed trial up an awesome hill. Looks mega dangerous on paper but in reality, most of us ride well within our limits and it's a huge thrill to compete against yourself and try to cut the time down. The rally on the saturday was a great laugh last year too with great food and an excellent band. I'm bringing the family to the next one.

[wbks]

Noobs welcome mate. We've all had to pop that cherry. The Hillclimb is a totally seperate event to the sprints. Held at a different venue with a different purpose.
The Hillclimb is a timed trial up an awesome hill. Looks mega dangerous on paper but in reality, most of us ride well within our limits and it's a huge thrill to compete against yourself and try to cut the time down. The rally on the saturday was a great laugh last year too with great food and an excellent band. I'm bringing the family to the next one.Sounds great. Finally be able to cane it on the road without worrying what's behind that blind corner:wari:
Not just hillclimb cherry, road race cherry... Though, I guess it could only really be like a coro group ride meets motott.....

[koba]

Sounds great. Finally be able to cane it on the road without worrying what's behind that blind corner:wari:
Not just hillclimb cherry, road race cherry... Though, I guess it could only really be like a coro group ride meets motott.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvA6D0CXNF4

[wbks]

Wow... That guy is going nuts! Is his bike just a rocket or are those rises in the road bigger than they look? I watched the andrew stroud r6 lap and I swear he wasn't popping the front up all the time like that. Love the sliding into the corners a bit wobbly, looks fun. I love the way skidmark has to say that he passed him also lmao

[James Deuce]

The rises in the road are enough to lift the wheel when you're on it. It's a lovely road.

[wbks]

enough to lift the wheel when you're on it. :sunny:

How many people are at the hillclimb usually?

[koba]

:sunny:

How many people are at the hillclimb usually?

It seems to be growing each year, there is also food, live music, camping and a cheap bar...

There is generally around 40 competitors, spectators come and go and can be spread about the place to it is really hard to tell.

Bring a few mates and you are sure of a good time.

[Quasi]

You should go and ride the road one fine day before the clifhanger to get an idea of what its like. its a gorgeous ride through there and if you keep on following the road around, it loops in at the back of Masterton.

A lot of the corners were resealed last week so still loose chip around, but its all well marked.

[Deano]

A lot of the corners were resealed last week so still loose chip around, but its all well marked.

Awesome - it should be nicely cleared by March.

The website is due for upgrading so they may be working on it now.

March 20/21 is the confirmed dates for 2010.

Entries will be limited - last time there were 45 bikes on the practice/fun day on Saturday, which was too many IMO.

Search "Jay Lawrence Cliffhanger" on you tube for the fastest run so far.

Promotional fliers are currently being drafted and will be out soon after xmas.

[Number One]

well I saw someone on a duc did a 15 min lap so as long as I beat that it should be sweet lol
I seriously doubt that time was a true one. I noobed it last year and my worst time was 3mins somthing.

Bloody good weekend this one...in fact might be worth repairing the squid suit for!

[wbks]

I seriously doubt that time was a true one. I noobed it last year and my worst time was 3mins somthing.

Bloody good weekend this one...in fact might be worth repairing the squid suit for!
Crash or broken bike = leg propulsion half way up the hill?

[wharfy]

If you have a bit of time to spare read some race reports from this years event.
The link below is to my report (a bit of shameless self promotion ) :)

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=94954

[wbks]

Good read, thanks. I might have to put some money down on some trackdays before I even try giving 100% on the new bike, moments like you had must be a lot worse out on the road, and a hard landing off a bucket (crazy I know lol) is bad enough for me. So would taking a ride down that way to spend a day memorising the track would be good? Wouldn't that make you used to staying inside the left lane? Nice bike, btw

[Clivoris]

So would taking a ride down that way to spend a day memorising the track would be good? Wouldn't that make you used to staying inside the left lane? Nice bike, btw

It all depends on how seriously you want to take it. It wouldn't hurt to do a few rides up and down to start memorising it, but it is all so different when being timed that you will still be on a steep learning curve. Unless you are close for another reason I wouldn't bother. Just do the saturday and treat it like the learning experience it is, don't expect too much from yourself and have fun. By Sunday you may be feeling like pushing harder and really try to carve the times down. If not, it's no big deal and you come back for the second helping.
Mind you, you could be one of those instantly fast bastards that I can only gawp at in amazement. I know you will still have fun either way.

[JayRacer37]

Noobs welcome mate. We've all had to pop that cherry. The Hillclimb is a totally seperate event to the sprints. Held at a different venue with a different purpose.
The Hillclimb is a timed trial up an awesome hill. Looks mega dangerous on paper but in reality, most of us ride well within our limits and it's a huge thrill to compete against yourself and try to cut the time down. The rally on the saturday was a great laugh last year too with great food and an excellent band. I'm bringing the family to the next one.

Yeah, it's an awesome family meeting, Dad and I love doing it. Far more fun and less stress than nationals, and a totally different feeeling.


Wow... That guy is going nuts! Is his bike just a rocket or are those rises in the road bigger than they look? I watched the andrew stroud r6 lap and I swear he wasn't popping the front up all the time like that. Love the sliding into the corners a bit wobbly, looks fun. I love the way skidmark has to say that he passed him also lmao

Nah that bike was a 2008 ZX-6R, in NZ 600 Sports Prod spec - about 115HP at the wheel. Most of the crests are where your lifting (the throttle), but because that was quite quick I was steering the bike on the throttle and not rolling it, hence the wheel lifting, but it looks and feels cool!


Good read, thanks. I might have to put some money down on some trackdays before I even try giving 100% on the new bike, moments like you had must be a lot worse out on the road, and a hard landing off a bucket (crazy I know lol) is bad enough for me. So would taking a ride down that way to spend a day memorising the track would be good? Wouldn't that make you used to staying inside the left lane? Nice bike, btw


It all depends on how seriously you want to take it. It wouldn't hurt to do a few rides up and down to start memorising it, but it is all so different when being timed that you will still be on a steep learning curve. Unless you are close for another reason I wouldn't bother. Just do the saturday and treat it like the learning experience it is, don't expect too much from yourself and have fun. By Sunday you may be feeling like pushing harder and really try to carve the times down. If not, it's no big deal and you come back for the second helping.
Mind you, you could be one of those instantly fast bastards that I can only gawp at in amazement. I know you will still have fun either way.

Nah, you are better off watching a video (IMO) than going out on an open road. It will all feel different when you go 100% and use both lanes. I almost had a spill there cos I was on a slow(ish...) road ride but forgot that I was only using one lane and went at something a bit fast...you go almost twice as fast with twice the road!

It's an awesome event to go to for the first time as it isn't a race...well, you don't race in a group, so you are just focusing on your riding.

Jay

[Number One]

you don't race in a group, so you are just focusing on your riding.


That's a big part of the beauty of it I reckon...and you don't have to be one of the fastest bastards out there to appreciate it either. When else do you get the opportunity to legally go as fast as you want on a real road having only your own riding and the road ahead to concentrate on + someone times you so and in a wee bit you get to do it all again and try to go faster than that last run. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lovely

[wbks]

Sounds better the more I hear about it. What kind of speeds are you getting through that vid?

[JayRacer37]

Geared for about 265k wheel speed, so maybe 250 road speed in a few spots. Top of the first hill is fast, and same with the straight after the cliffhanger corner.

[wbks]

Geared for about 265k wheel speed, so maybe 250 road speed in a few spots. Top of the first hill is fast, and same with the straight after the cliffhanger corner.:wacko: I reckon I might not quite make it that far... "CliffHanger corner"?

[Str8 Jacket]

It is AWESOME, WICKED FUN! The thing to remember is that you're out there on your own with a limited amount of spectators so only you really know how fast you are going. The things to remember are:

you dont *have* to keep twisting that throttle if you're riding out of your comfort zone
start slow, get faster
you're only a noob once
once you've done it, you'll be hooked
it IS only a road!


All things said, I wont be riding in it this year I will be helping Dina out. It really is going be a blast this year. Don't miss out!! :D

[wbks]

I seriously doubt that time was a true one. I noobed it last year and my worst time was 3mins somthing.

Bloody good weekend this one...in fact might be worth repairing the squid suit for!On what bike?

btw Jay, at 1:53 do you actually pop the front up on the downhill left hander?:crazy:

[Number One]

sv650 - running rough as guts too. In fact hubby did it on a bucket just a laugh and I think he did it in under 5mins so 15 is way off. Perhaps a . in the wrong place

[JayRacer37]

:wacko: I reckon I might not quite make it that far... "CliffHanger corner"?

Is the tight right hander about 1min up.


btw Jay, at 1:53 do you actually pop the front up on the downhill left hander?:crazy:

It's actually uphill going up to the point, then the road crests and goes back downhill whilst going through the left hander. I was shortshifting 4th just before the crest and holding the gas on over it hence the wheelie. Later on in the weekend when I did the 2.09 I managed to get it to hold the front up till over the bridge, so I missed that bump with the front wheel.

[Clivoris]

Is the tight right hander about 1min up.



It's actually uphill going up to the point, then the road crests and goes back downhill whilst going through the left hander. I was shortshifting 4th just before the crest and holding the gas on over it hence the wheelie. Later on in the weekend when I did the 2.09 I managed to get it to hold the front up till over the bridge, so I missed that bump with the front wheel.

You gonna be able to come up Mr Jay? I'll buy you a pie.:2thumbsup

[wbks]

Mind you, you could be one of those instantly fast bastards that I can only gawp at in amazement. I know you will still have fun either way.lol just saw this... Not much chance of that, the only road experience I have is road riding and a motott day on a zxr250, but I'll try:2thumbsup

[JayRacer37]

You gonna be able to come up Mr Jay? I'll buy you a pie.:2thumbsup

Working on the logistics at the moment, hoping to leave the van and bike up that way after the north island nationals.

[James Deuce]

You want me to buy him a pie as well?

[White trash]

I was shortshifting 4th just before the crest and holding the gas on over it hence the wheelie. Later on in the weekend when I did the 2.09 I managed to get it to hold the front up till over the bridge, so I missed that bump with the front wheel.

Twenny bucks sez there's no chance of the HyosingmeaIlikeTheHillsAreAlivesong replicating that feat.....

[Clivoris]

You want me to buy him a pie as well?

Would this make us sponsors? He wont be able to resist. It would be futile.

[James Deuce]

Watta ya reckon a pie is worth in extra time up the hill? 2 seconds?

[Deano]

Watta ya reckon a pie is worth in extra time up the hill? 2 seconds?

I think it would depend on whether said pie is eaten prior to the run, thus decreasing the power to weight ratio, or whether it is used to lure the rider to the top where it is eaten, and subject to ones fancy for pies.

[James Deuce]

I think it would depend on whether said pie is eaten prior to the run, thus decreasing the power to weight ratio, or whether it is used to lure the rider to the top where it is eaten, and subject to ones fancy for pies.
This IS Jay we're talking about mate. I don't fancy the pie's chances.

[Clivoris]

This IS Jay we're talking about mate. I don't fancy the pie's chances.

:2thumbsup:rofl::rofl:

[JayRacer37]

Twenny bucks sez there's no chance of the HyosingmeaIlikeTheHillsAreAlivesong replicating that feat.....

Not too much...but maybe I can hold it flat thru the next corner?


Watta ya reckon a pie is worth in extra time up the hill? 2 seconds?

2 for breakfast is a healthy racing start anyway, Mince and Cheese is worth time with extra energy hit...right?


I think it would depend on whether said pie is eaten prior to the run, thus decreasing the power to weight ratio, or whether it is used to lure the rider to the top where it is eaten, and subject to ones fancy for pies.

Dammit, i'll just have to be there! ;)

[Str8 Jacket]

2 for breakfast is a healthy racing start anyway, Mince and Cheese is worth time with extra energy hit...right?


I always have a mince and cheese pie before a race day! :D

[James Deuce]

That explains the smell.

[wbks]

Is the tight right hander about 1min up.



It's actually uphill going up to the point, then the road crests and goes back downhill whilst going through the left hander. I was shortshifting 4th just before the crest and holding the gas on over it hence the wheelie. Later on in the weekend when I did the 2.09 I managed to get it to hold the front up till over the bridge, so I missed that bump with the front wheel.Sorry to bump the thread from so far down, but...

Do you play with the clutch at all when you're backing it into corners? Obviously you're not completely locked up, but when ever i get to the point that the back comes out a little the engine seems to keep pushing the back wheel, so going from chattering to sliding out a little bit is pretty dramatic... I'm sure its just because I'm a noob, but going from the back nicely sliding in (and I'm talking really small compared to the vid of you on the zx6 at the cliffhanger) to gripping quite hard seems not quite right

[JayRacer37]

Sorry to bump the thread from so far down, but...

Do you play with the clutch at all when you're backing it into corners? Obviously you're not completely locked up, but when ever i get to the point that the back comes out a little the engine seems to keep pushing the back wheel, so going from chattering to sliding out a little bit is pretty dramatic... I'm sure its just because I'm a noob, but going from the back nicely sliding in (and I'm talking really small compared to the vid of you on the zx6 at the cliffhanger) to gripping quite hard seems not quite right

They do grip up hard. It's a really fine balance of the rear brake, not to skid, but to maintain control. You also need a load of front brake. On a bike with a slipper clutch, you just drop it and it gives you a certain amount of engine brake and no more, so you are away laughing, just need the rear brake to modulate the slide, along with the front brake controlling the weight on the rear. Without a slipper clutch (or a badly set up one) you need to be your own slipper clutch with your clutch hand, modulating and controlling it - you can't just let it go cos you get chatter, or a bike slide then completly gripping the rear end up as the wheel speed catches up. Basically, your clutch becomes another rear brake, so you are balancing both your rear brakes, plus the front to set the amount of weight that is on the rear, and then your body position and steering inputs as to how big the slide is. Simple as! ;)

[trustme]

This looks like an absolute hoot.
Does anyone know when entries start. The download does not seem to operate.

[Deano]

This looks like an absolute hoot.
Does anyone know when entries start. The download does not seem to operate.


Its a hoot allright. The site is in the process of being upgraded, as are the entry forms.

I will post a new thread once the entry form and fliers are ready.

I'd say it will be a case of pre entering required as it was extremely popular last year and there will be a limit on entry numbers.

Would you be entering your scambler in the Motard class ?

[trustme]

Any class you are stupid/crazy enough to let me into.:laugh::laugh:

[Deano]

Any class you are stupid/crazy enough to let me into.:laugh::laugh:

Oh you'll fit right in then !!