Thanks Cops!!! [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Shade

3rd May 2005, 00:38

Man,

Coming home from work tonight at midnight, going up carrington road past the unitech, the bike was running a bit rough so decided to open her up a little, only to 8000 revs and then break back down, and do it again, only took it up to about 70-80k -

did this 2 times, and then i see red and blues behind me which came outa no where.

I pull into side street and pull over. Meeting goes like this -

Shade : "Hey fellas"
Cop : "Hey, how fast do you think you were going there? We dont have a radar, so we wont ticket you, but just outa curiousity"
Shade : "About 70k - speedo seems to read low, so maybe 80k, then slowd back down, did it a couple of times as the bikes running rough"
Cop2 : "ahahah yeh whatever, we were doing 120+ to catch you"
(I was thinking huh? Catch me? From where? i didnt do it for long, heh)

I was like, nah i dont think so, didnt take it that high up.

They were cool as about it, pretty good guys and said no worries have a good night. I think ive used up all my Good Karma points!! Thanks police, i would have gladly accepted a 70-80k ticket, and got off. I owe you one!

Oh, they said when i pulled into the side street they thought i was going to do a runner, lol.

N4CR

3rd May 2005, 00:41

:niceone: Very very lucky indeed. Was it one of those little wanna be po-po vectras or something?

120 when you are reading 70.... yes OK mabey as they were accellerating to catch up..
Nice one though man. I got 90 in a 50k zone and 1.3k worth of ticket (thanks L conditions), wish I was you :(

John

3rd May 2005, 00:43

Lol, shows they are not as bad as people say, unless you are the bugmans son aye tristan ;)

Sniper

3rd May 2005, 08:08

I think the them song from the Mitsi ad applies to you

Lou Girardin

3rd May 2005, 08:16

If they weren't so nice, your admission would have earnt you a ticket. Never admit you were speeding. Lucky b'stid.

ManDownUnder

3rd May 2005, 08:19

out of curiosity... what's the damage for 50kph over the limit (i.e. 150kph in a 100 zone)?
MDU

marty

3rd May 2005, 08:30

$630, 50 demerits. 151kmh is 28 day roadside suspension

spudchucka

3rd May 2005, 08:37

out of curiosity... what's the damage for 50kph over the limit (i.e. 150kph in a 100 zone)?
MDU
$630 fine and 50 demerits. 151kph = 28 day licence suspension and a Court appearance.

Edit: sorry, Marty beat me to it!

bugjuice

3rd May 2005, 09:26

I got pulled in the car once and got let off. I gassed it a little around a corner/lights on purpose to see if the new tyres were sticky in the wet (they were..) and then carried on at normal pace, about 55-60 (honest).. When the other lights went green, a cop floored it, then I saw the lights. I pulled over calmly, bearing in mind the car hacked around the corner, and she came screaming over. This point, I dropped my bowels.. She asked what happened at the lights, so I showed her my fat feet, and the pedals of the car, and said my foot got stuck under the brake pedal which kept the gas on. "fine" she said, but then said she had to do 100kph to catch me! so? If you were doing the same speed as me, you wouldn't have caught me. You HAVE to go faster, laws of physics. So why is that important to us, how fast they speed, in order to catch someone going a few over?

I'm not cop bashing here, by any means, just stressing the point that cops have to go faster in order to catch up. So why tell us? It's not reflection on our speed...??

I just got a slap on the wrists, which I so rightly deserved (bad lama), and off I went..

spudchucka

3rd May 2005, 09:41

I'm not cop bashing here, by any means, just stressing the point that cops have to go faster in order to catch up. So why tell us? It's not reflection on our speed...??
Its only relevant if they have pursued you at that pace for a period of time and have used a certified speedo to assess your speed. The fact that they have to do 130+ in order to catch up to someone that was doing 120 is pretty ironic but is simply necessary in order to apprehend the alleged speeder.

Drunken Monkey

3rd May 2005, 09:55

I'm not cop bashing here, by any means, just stressing the point that cops have to go faster in order to catch up. So why tell us? It's not reflection on our speed...??

Yeah, it's a piss-poor attempt at logic (or perhaps a cunning attempt at throwing you off and making you say something you shouldn't ;) ). Hell, even if you weren't speeding, i.e. doing 50 in a 50 zone, of course the chasing vehicle would have to go faster to catch up! Duh. Some people need to go back to basic (primary school) physics classes.

Funkyfly

3rd May 2005, 10:12

chickenfunkstar

3rd May 2005, 10:33

Most of the police i've dealt with have been pretty sweet, as long as I'm polite and show respect.

I'd never admit to committing an offence though, even if I thought the officer wasn't about about to give me a ticket.

Shade

3rd May 2005, 10:47

Funkyfly

3rd May 2005, 10:56

Fact of the matter is - I WAS speeding, and as i said, i didnt mind taking a 70-80k ticket for it. Didnt bother me owning up.

And yeah, i woulda got done if they had a radar, im sure, luckily they didnt, which was good news for me!!

Moral of the story, hope like hell the cop doesnt have a radar!!

I too think its only fair if your speeding to get a ticket, i think getting a ticket for 108kph is a bit over the top but hey.

I would own up also, but be rather vague about the speed, 99% of bike speedos read high so no point saying you were doing 120 when u were only touching on 110.

chickenfunkstar

3rd May 2005, 11:02

You're glad you didn't get the ticket though right?
I'd say most people only speed because they think they can get away with it.
Usually a close call with the traffic police is enough to make me think twice about what i'm doing. I don't actually need a ticket to make me slow down for a while.

Ixion

3rd May 2005, 11:11

..
And yeah, i woulda got done if they had a radar, im sure, luckily they didnt, which was good news for me!!

Moral of the story, hope like hell the cop doesnt have a radar!!

Interesting - I thought all police cars (those with blue and reds anyway) had radar fitted nowadays.

Anyone know an answer on what percentage do ?

Shade

3rd May 2005, 11:38

They wernt traffic cops, they were dressed in suits etc... and it was a mufti car.

I still have no idea where they came from, heheh :)

Marmoot

3rd May 2005, 11:42

Fact of the matter is - I WAS speeding, and as i said, i didnt mind taking a 70-80k ticket for it. Didnt bother me owning up.

And yeah, i woulda got done if they had a radar, im sure, luckily they didnt, which was good news for me!!

Moral of the story, hope like hell the cop doesnt have a radar!!

Shade, was that you revving up and revving down a few times around Jersey Ave yesterday?
I live in that area too.
New bike? Never seen GsxR6 around here before....

Ixion

3rd May 2005, 11:47

They wernt traffic cops, they were dressed in suits etc... and it was a mufti car.

I still have no idea where they came from, heheh :)
Ah Defectives I presume. Not *real* cops, like Mr Spudchucka or Mr Scumdog.

John

3rd May 2005, 12:16

Ah Defectives I presume. Not *real* cops, like Mr Spudchucka or Mr Scumdog.

so very very harsh :killingme :killingme :killingme

Pixie

3rd May 2005, 12:18

120kph in a car in town! sheesh talk about dangerous, who was the real danger to the public here? You or the cops?

You should have given them a ticket!

Count yourself lucky son.
Cops are skilled drivers.
(I'm sending this to Tui)

Biff

3rd May 2005, 12:24

Lou Girardin

3rd May 2005, 12:26

They wernt traffic cops, they were dressed in suits etc... and it was a mufti car.

I still have no idea where they came from, heheh :)

They were just having fun on quiet night, winding up bikers to see if one'll run.

Ixion

3rd May 2005, 12:32

A question:

Under NZ law, if a ploice officer asks you, "How fast were you going", and you admit to speeding, despite the fact that they have no proof that you were indeed speeding, can they ticket you?

They can ticket you without any proof. A ticket is just an allegation. Whether a court would convict if you later denied it might be another matter. But if you had admitted it in front of a couple of witnesses you would presumably have trouble getting out of it.

There have been cases where courts have convicted becuase someone went past a policeman standing on the side of the road and the policeman said that the driver was clearly speeding.

All radar and certiifed speedo's etc do is make it easier for it to stand up in court. In law , the cop's speedo doesn't have to be certified. But, without certification, it's easy enough for a defense lawyer to say that the cop's speedo must have been wrong. So there's a rule about it being certified.

Best bet is (I think - pure guesswork here) something like " Well officer, I don't think I was speeding. I certainly am not aware I was, and I was endeavouring to ride at a legal speed. But I was concentrating my attention on the road hazards, so I can't actually say what the speedo was reading. I thought it better to watch the road rather than the speedometer" (assuming you know jolly well you were over the limit of course) . Then shut up.

Lou Girardin

3rd May 2005, 12:51

Best bet is (I think - pure guesswork here) something like " Well officer, I don't think I was speeding. I certainly am not aware I was, and I was endeavouring to ride at a legal speed. But I was concentrating my attention on the road hazards, so I can't actually say what the speedo was reading. I thought it better to watch the road rather than the speedometer" (assuming you know jolly well you were over the limit of course) . Then shut up.

Except that this allows the inference that you MAY have been speeding. Outright denial will stand up better if you defend it.

cammo

3rd May 2005, 13:26

as far as i know, cops can only do 30kph above the speed limit. cos a lil while back a ambo ran ova sumone and he was in an emergency but doing over 80 in a 50 which is over the allowed 30ks and got in trouble for speeding. (dont quote me on that though)

ManDownUnder

3rd May 2005, 13:28

$630 fine and 50 demerits. 151kph = 28 day licence suspension and a Court appearance.

Edit: sorry, Marty beat me to it!

Thank you - I have someone I'd like to pass that on to...

Cheers all!
MDU

outlawtorn

3rd May 2005, 13:30

Cops are skilled drivers.
(I'm sending this to Tui)
yea right :killingme :killingme

marty

3rd May 2005, 16:21

marty

3rd May 2005, 16:25

A question:

Under NZ law, if a ploice officer asks you, "How fast were you going", and you admit to speeding, despite the fact that they have no proof that you were indeed speeding, can they ticket you?

of course they can ask. it's no different to asking a burglar if s/he broke into a house. it's up to you whether you answer it or not. it's common law right to be asked the question, and bill of rights not to answer it. i can just about guarantee though if you say nothing, or say 'i dunno', you'll get a ticket on what the cop thinks.

scumdog

3rd May 2005, 16:53

I think the only reason they didnt give you a ticket is because they couldnt prove your speed mate, i bet if they had clocked you at 70 on a radar you would be telling a different story.

120kph in a car in town! sheesh talk about dangerous, who was the real danger to the public here? You or the cops?

You should have given them a ticket!

Count yourself lucky son.

I bet this man could talk me into giving him a ticket on my best of days!

Last Saturday warned three on motorbikes heading to Beaumont plus just about wore out my headlight flasher to get a whole heap of others heading to the rally at different times to get them to slow down. (I was in a mufti).
The ones I stopped had a A1 attitude - and I had no intention of giving them a ticket but they didn't know that when I stopped them - and they looked like a Colgate ad. when they realised they weren't getting a ticket. :ride:

R6_kid

3rd May 2005, 18:07

me and a mate were cruising down to tauranga in his car last year. We were doing 90 steady the whole way down to conserve fuel (poor students). After going through a small town (50 or 70kmh zone) a cop pulled us over and asked us if we were speeding.

My mate dropped his sacks and said "yeah i was doing about 90 back there, really sorry etc etc"

Then the cop says "oh, nah i meant about 5-10km back down the road, i think i clocked you at 160 but im not sure...." "was it you"

after a short pause "uh no officer"

its kinda sad when he is reduced to asking us if we were the car speeding (like we would have said it was us if we were). I think the deal was that he radioed it in and therefore had to follow it up...? not sure on their protocol but yeh.... :whocares:

Funkyfly

3rd May 2005, 20:08

I bet this man could talk me into giving him a ticket on my best of days!

Last Saturday warned three on motorbikes heading to Beaumont plus just about wore out my headlight flasher to get a whole heap of others heading to the rally at different times to get them to slow down. (I was in a mufti).
The ones I stopped had a A1 attitude - and I had no intention of giving them a ticket but they didn't know that when I stopped them - and they looked like a Colgate ad. when they realised they weren't getting a ticket. :ride:

For every fluffy story like that i could tell one of a nazi cop hassling the wrong guy.

Man all you have to do is canvas the public and you hear numerous tales of shockers. Even my super law abiding father inlaw has a shocker tale, poor guy, certainly altered his view of HP cops

But its nice you let the bikers off for speeding, i guess its because they had an "A1" attitude toward you huh? Did that make you feel good?

avgas

3rd May 2005, 20:14

$630 fine and 50 demerits. 151kph = 28 day licence suspension and a Court appearance.

Edit: sorry, Marty beat me to it!
Yeh and a court apperance, bike, over 150 is guaranteed 3+ month license dissqualification i have never seen anyone get less (out of 10 cases)....oh and at court they can give ya another fine too

Kwaka-Kid

3rd May 2005, 20:44

you JAMMY Bastard!!! Your friggin luck!

Had it of been me i woulda been nailed.

Good stuff dude, p.s still owe ur skanky white ass for the trackday!
Catchya soon dude

jazbug5

3rd May 2005, 21:05

But its nice you let the bikers off for speeding, i guess its because they had an "A1" attitude toward you huh? Did that make you feel good?

As he said, he had no intention of ticketing them when he stopped them.
Look, I'm sure lots of us have been stung by the police at one time or another, and okay, not every cop is a lovely fluffy bunny, but can we maybe (just a suggestion):

a) not attack those that actually are decent, and
b) avoid attacking each other at all, at least for a bit.

If you or anyone doesn't know what I'm getting at, then look for the thread titled "Respect". I don't want to labour this one- I think most people know which one I'm referring to and why.
Cheers.

enigma51

3rd May 2005, 21:08

you JAMMY Bastard!!! Your friggin luck!

Had it of been me i woulda been nailed.

Good stuff dude, p.s still owe ur skanky white ass for the trackday!
Catchya soon dude

Holy shit you still around KK? :Punk:

scumdog

3rd May 2005, 21:15

For every fluffy story like that i could tell one of a nazi cop hassling the wrong guy.

Man all you have to do is canvas the public and you hear numerous tales of shockers. Even my super law abiding father inlaw has a shocker tale, poor guy, certainly altered his view of HP cops

But its nice you let the bikers off for speeding, i guess its because they had an "A1" attitude toward you huh? Did that make you feel good?

As somebody noticed (and you didn't?) I had NO intention of giving out tickets. in the first place.

And no, it didn't make me 'feel' anything but it does make me sad that you are so bitter.

And if you think there are so many 'shockers' out there what do YOU intend to do to improve things??

Skyryder

3rd May 2005, 21:18

If they weren't so nice, your admission would have earnt you a ticket. Never admit you were speeding. Lucky b'stid.

Ditto to that. Mind you a good story to hear for a change.

Skyryder

Skyryder

3rd May 2005, 21:27

A question:

Under NZ law, if a ploice officer asks you, "How fast were you going", and you admit to speeding, despite the fact that they have no proof that you were indeed speeding, can they ticket you?

I believe they can. You have admitted an offence. That is the evidence that could be used against you. As I understand you do not get a reading of your rights unless you are arrested. Then you are told that any thing that you say may be used against you in a court of law aginst you.

Skyryder

Skyryder

3rd May 2005, 21:31

scumdog

3rd May 2005, 21:38

Futher to Biffs question if a cop asks you how fast you were going i would construe that as an admission that the officer does not know how fast you were going. On that you could tell him/her the lawfull speed.

Skyryder

On the odd occassion I ask them - just to see how fast they THOUGHT they were going.

Never stop anybody for speeding unless I KNOW how fast they were travelling.

drummer

3rd May 2005, 21:49

Lol, shows they are not as bad as people say, unless you are the bugmans son aye tristan ;)
depends who... the force in general is failing the public

Funkyfly

3rd May 2005, 22:07

......but can we maybe (just a suggestion):

a) not attack those that actually are decent, and
b) avoid attacking each other at all, at least for a bit.

If you or anyone doesn't know what I'm getting at, then look for the thread titled "Respect". I don't want to labour this one- I think most people know which one I'm referring to and why.
Cheers.

Old scumdog here asked me "if you think there are so many 'shockers' out there what do YOU intend to do to improve things??" Well theres not a whole i can do, but something i try is to "help" cops understand how their attitude comes across, call it an "attack" if you want, i call it an intervention. :yes:

In the case of Mr Scumdog, in his words "they get all the attitude they deserve". This is why police are not respected.

Im not saying hes not a decent guy, i dont know him, but his tit for tat attitude will affect how people view the force. Its great he lets speeding bikers off, im sure those bikers are very happy, its helps balance his other side, fantastic, because we all love inconsistancy esp when its bias towards bikers :niceone:

Im simply trying to help, you know do my bit for society.

spudchucka

4th May 2005, 01:27

Yeh and a court apperance, bike, over 150 is guaranteed 3+ month license dissqualification i have never seen anyone get less (out of 10 cases)....oh and at court they can give ya another fine too
If your speed is greater than 50 kph above the limit then you will not receive an instant fine at the raod side. You will receive a Traffic Offence Notice and be summonsed to Court, (unless you are arrested for dangerous speed). The penalty imposed is up to the Court. If you received an instant fine and were summonsed to Court for the same offence this would be double jeopardy, you can't be penalised twice for the one offence.

spudchucka

4th May 2005, 01:32

Interesting - I thought all police cars (those with blue and reds anyway) had radar fitted nowadays.

Anyone know an answer on what percentage do ?
Most. Certainly not all.

spudchucka

4th May 2005, 01:34

They wernt traffic cops, they were dressed in suits etc... and it was a mufti car.

I still have no idea where they came from, heheh :)
You got stopped by the Feds, (CIB). Probably the only reason you didn't get a ticket is because they generally don't have the faintest idea about anything to do with traffic enforcement.

Ixion

4th May 2005, 02:12

You got stopped by the Feds, (CIB). Probably the only reason you didn't get a ticket is because they generally don't have the faintest idea about anything to do with traffic enforcement.

As a matter of interest do they have to meet a "contacts" performance measure (I'm desparately trying to avoid the Q word here) ?

Indoo

4th May 2005, 02:22

Old scumdog here asked me "if you think there are so many 'shockers' out there what do YOU intend to do to improve things??" Well theres not a whole i can do, but something i try is to "help" cops understand how their attitude comes across, call it an "attack" if you want, i call it an intervention. :yes: .

All i would call it is you crying on an internet message board without having the faintest, even barest glimmer of foresight into what you are talking about.

In the case of Mr Scumdog, in his words "they get all the attitude they deserve". This is why police are not respected.

Yes in other words Police should accept as gospel the explanations of offenders, afterall they are right and police are only there to serve them...

Im simply trying to help, you know do my bit for society.

I actually got the impression you were trying to be a pig ignorant troll, sorry my mistake.

spudchucka

4th May 2005, 08:41

As a matter of interest do they have to meet a "contacts" performance measure (I'm desparately trying to avoid the Q word here) ?
Not that I am aware of.

Drunken Monkey

4th May 2005, 08:48

Yeh and a court apperance, bike, over 150 is guaranteed 3+ month license dissqualification i have never seen anyone get less (out of 10 cases)....oh and at court they can give ya another fine too

I flatted with a guy who did get out of being laser'd at 167. Cost him an arm and a leg in fees and fines, but he kept his license though. I've PM'd the details of the lawyer to a couple of other condemned souls on this site, although I haven't seen any feedback.

scumdog

4th May 2005, 11:22

Im not saying hes not a decent guy, i dont know him, but his tit for tat attitude will affect how people view the force. Its great he lets speeding bikers off, im sure those bikers are very happy, its helps balance his other side, fantastic, because we all love inconsistancy esp when its bias towards bikers :niceone:

Im simply trying to help, you know do my bit for society.

Sheesh, ya bite like a barracouda!

BTW, where in my postings did you detect my 'inconsistancy'?

ALL my warnings are based on TPC (TimePLaceCircumstance) :yes:

Ixion

4th May 2005, 12:12

Not that I am aware of.

Nice for some. So if they can determine that the D's are doing their job OK without measuring "contacts" (no Q word), then how come they can't do the same for other police persons. (It's a rhetorical question , I don't actually need an answer)

spudchucka

4th May 2005, 12:18

Nice for some. So if they can determine that the D's are doing their job OK without measuring "contacts" (no Q word), then how come they can't do the same for other police persons. (It's a rhetorical question , I don't actually need an answer)
They have other performance measurements. They aren't expected to carry out traffic duties as part of their daily workload.

Funkyfly

4th May 2005, 13:36

All i would call it is you crying on an internet message board without having the faintest, even barest glimmer of foresight into what you are talking about.

Yes in other words Police should accept as gospel the explanations of offenders, afterall they are right and police are only there to serve them...

I actually got the impression you were trying to be a pig ignorant troll, sorry my mistake.

Well its a good thing i dont care what you think my thoughts are based on, but for the record, as ive stated an the police thread, with an example, they are based on my personal real life experience. And as far as my life goes, i do know what im talking about.

So am i Ignorant? nope i have experienced everything ive talked about here first hand mate, guess that makes you the ignorant one.