Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

[StoneY]

Ok everyone
I have had a few people mention there is no defined thread for the NEXT PROTEST

I have sevreal Unions on board for a big march on Parliament, and the wheels are starting to roll
Dates set for 16th February, at this point its a logical date as the Corrections Union are having a march the week before, and some other group have one the week after so we get a finite window of oppotunity to pull this off.

I have requested permission from the Speaker to enter the grounds en-masse on 16th February.

This is about more than just Bikers but we want to have a strong presence there.

I need about 3-400 bikers to attend on the day and make a visible presence at the front of the house, but this time speakers will all be Unionists and Academics and other disafeccted groups (is that the right term?)

Its gonna take some work to pull it off again, and I am hoping we get the same support we got last time for the BIKEOI, but wont hold my breath.

Anyone keen to help, PM me
And I aint talking about handing out fliers, I mean WORK and responsibility for some of the organisation...(nearly killed myself the last time with exhaustion.)

This iwll be along the same lines as the BIKEOI, peacefull but a strong message
Want loads of signs, banners, and a good chant, one I think we have heard before, LOL:shutup:

StoneY

[caseye]

Mate I'm coming down, I'm your bitch for the day, say it and it'll get done. Just like that #@#$$%.

[sunhuntin]

just checked... 16th is a tuesday, therefore [bike willing!], i will be there once again! will also put my hand up for the learners/slower group if needed.

[chanceyy]

Stoney already put hand up to organise horowhenua & have guys all set for palmerston north area .. just needed confirmation of date & times .. so what time are we looking at heading on masse to parliment, will we be congregating at the two points again .. although going by the last one we need to leave earlier to get to parliment for the whole shebang

[sunhuntin]

quite a bit earlier, if we get similar numbers. by the time i got to parli, the speeches were already well under way.

[StoneY]

Now remember this ones not all about us bikers, we are all welcome but its not expected that the thousands of bikes from last time will be there. A good few hundred- a thousand maybe, but yeah lower N.I. can sure represnt.

We wont have convoy parks and escorts and the stadium will be a foot gathering spot if were llowed. so the bikes will come to Molesworth st if I can get the council onside again ;)
And of course thousands of non bikers will be there, trudhing past our machines....we will be more symbolic than the main event this time if you get the drift.

Be good to have a few slow cruisers that wont overheat lead the footmarch, but do such bikes exist? @ kms of crawl speed in front of a foot march?......

[chanceyy]

Now remember this ones not all about us bikers, we are all welcome but its not expected that the thousands of bikes from last time will be there. A good few hundred- a thousand maybe, but yeah lower N.I. can sure represnt.

We wont have convoy parks and escorts and the stadium will be a foot gathering spot if were llowed. so the bikes will come to Molesworth st if I can get the council onside again ;)
And of course thousands of non bikers will be there, trudhing past our machines....we will be more symbolic than the main event this time if you get the drift.

Be good to have a few slow cruisers that wont overheat lead the footmarch, but do such bikes exist? @ kms of crawl speed in front of a foot march?......

Yeah but wot time does things get underway at parliment so we can start getting our stuff organised for leaving times etc .. will it say be 1pm at parliment or march to leave where ever?

[P38]

I'm in too.

I'd loved to ride on parliment again just to show the pricks I haven't forgotten.

[caseye]

I'm in too.

I'd loved to ride on parliment again just to show the pricks I haven't forgotten.

This is for me too STONEY me ol mate, I'm in and if the old girl wont go slow enough I'll hobble her . OK?

[centaurus]

Good on ya StoneY for doing this. We all appreciate the effort you've been putting into it. I can't promise anything because I might not be in town in that period, but If I end up being around, I will sure lend a hand.

[StoneY]

Yeah but wot time does things get underway at parliment so we can start getting our stuff organised for leaving times etc .. will it say be 1pm at parliment or march to leave where ever?

I have requested 12-2pm Parliament Access Chanceyy mate.
So much the same timing as last time, but no laager's set up at Avalon and Papakowhai, I want all riders to just show up in individual groups, marshals to park em up, and you know, if Molesworth St ends up blocked by bikes...I dont care (hint hint)

We will NOT have the Stadium for the bikes this time, the foot march will be gathering there if the Stadium agrees (another collection too)
I will be sorting the toilets again bbut the Unions are picking up those fee's this time

I hope to have a good show of bikers, and I envisage we are already all there when the footmarch and our 'symbolic' slow bike convoy leading the marchers (10 or so cruiser style bikes is the idea) arive, there will already be a crowd of bikers, and we welcome them to Parliament, a quick sound bite along the lines of:

"In November we Bikers came to this place, as Phil Goff called it OUR place, and said 'Bullshit.' Well, we are back, and guess who we brought along, the REST OF NEW ZEALAND!! (Name a few of the union gorups here) have joined us today to say, 'NO WAY!! Get your filthy hands of our ACC!'"

Or somewhat like that

Thanks for standing up to lead a ride in Chanveyy, and others, but the focus is NOT on a RIDE this time, its on getting sheer numbers of our non biker mates in the grounds, while taking the LEAD and showing we do more than just ride our bikes too, that we give a shit about the rest of NZ as well (even cagers dare I say it!)
:)

[Bald Eagle]

Point me at the work mate. Leave application submitted.

[Nasty]

I have requested 12-2pm Parliament Access Chanceyy mate.
So much the same timing as last time, but no laager's set up at Avalon and Papakowhai, I want all riders to just show up in individual groups, marshals to park em up, and you know, if Molesworth St ends up blocked by bikes...I dont care (hint hint)

We will NOT have the Stadium for the bikes this time, the foot march will be gathering there if the Stadium agrees (another collection too)
I will be sorting the toilets again bbut the Unions are picking up those fee's this time

I hope to have a good show of bikers, and I envisage we are already all there when the footmarch and our 'symbolic' slow bike convoy leading the marchers (10 or so cruiser style bikes is the idea) arive, there will already be a crowd of bikers, and we welcome them to Parliament, a quick sound bite along the lines of:

"In November we Bikers came to this place, as Phil Goff called it OUR place, and said 'Bullshit.' Well, we are back, and guess who we brought along, the REST OF NEW ZEALAND!! (Name a few of the union gorups here) have joined us today to say, 'NO WAY!! Get your filthy hands of our ACC!'"

Or somewhat like that

Thanks for standing up to lead a ride in Chanveyy, and others, but the focus is NOT on a RIDE this time, its on getting sheer numbers of our non biker mates in the grounds, while taking the LEAD and showing we do more than just ride our bikes too, that we give a shit about the rest of NZ as well (even cagers dare I say it!)
:)

Just a quick question ... why have a foot march that will make no impact ...e.g. from stadium to parliament .... something from Civic Square may be more appropriate this time ... as it is not a biker focus ... if they left from Civic square down mercer to willis then down lambton quay .. since it is on foot that would create a huge impact.

[Azi Dahaka]

Be good to have a few slow cruisers that wont overheat lead the footmarch, but do such bikes exist? @ kms of crawl speed in front of a foot march?......

my boulevard can roll along at a slow pace if i let go of the clutch and cut the throttle if thats what you are looking for? the damn thing has enough power without the fing throttle -_- stupid bike

[StoneY]

Just a quick question ... why have a foot march that will make no impact ...e.g. from stadium to parliament .... something from Civic Square may be more appropriate this time ... as it is not a biker focus ... if they left from Civic square down mercer to willis then down lambton quay .. since it is on foot that would create a huge impact.

The march route will be down Featherston to Willis and back up Lambton...not just the 200m we walked in our bike gear, and already Police and Council are getting tooled up to accomodate us
And no WAY civic Square will hold the numbers we are looking at, its way too small


There's a LOT to be planned yet why is everyone jumping to conclusions?
It took 4 weeks to make BIKEOI happen, so obviously its now time to plan this one, but I want the Unions to do thier share.
Im not going to work myself to death again, and if I dont get any positive support I will walk away from the whole thing

Did I let you all down last time?
Either take over, or follow my lead, I really dont mind which, but these are mere details that have plenty of time to be ironed out and there is no need for any panic

Allready have Parliamentary intelligence and security examining my draft action plan, already have a rally point sorted, already have authorities alerted....its just getting the people on the day now
:)

[chanceyy]

I have requested 12-2pm Parliament Access Chanceyy mate.
So much the same timing as last time, but no laager's set up at Avalon and Papakowhai, I want all riders to just show up in individual groups, marshals to park em up, and you know, if Molesworth St ends up blocked by bikes...I dont care (hint hint)

We will NOT have the Stadium for the bikes this time, the foot march will be gathering there if the Stadium agrees (another collection too)
I will be sorting the toilets again bbut the Unions are picking up those fee's this time

I hope to have a good show of bikers, and I envisage we are already all there when the footmarch and our 'symbolic' slow bike convoy leading the marchers (10 or so cruiser style bikes is the idea) arive, there will already be a crowd of bikers, and we welcome them to Parliament, a quick sound bite along the lines of:

"In November we Bikers came to this place, as Phil Goff called it OUR place, and said 'Bullshit.' Well, we are back, and guess who we brought along, the REST OF NEW ZEALAND!! (Name a few of the union gorups here) have joined us today to say, 'NO WAY!! Get your filthy hands of our ACC!'"

Or somewhat like that

Thanks for standing up to lead a ride in Chanveyy, and others, but the focus is NOT on a RIDE this time, its on getting sheer numbers of our non biker mates in the grounds, while taking the LEAD and showing we do more than just ride our bikes too, that we give a shit about the rest of NZ as well (even cagers dare I say it!)
:)

Sweet as Stoney .. I guess it looks more impressive to have a group heading down & certainly worked well last time

we will discuss options at our meeting n go from there if ppl want to individually ride down or not

I hear you on the organisation of it n if I was closer would have been happy to put hand up .. at least most of the hard yrards was done last time n you have all the contacts

[Oakie]

See if you can get some people from the tourism industry marching. There is a national body representing the operators.

[Karl08]

In like Flynn mate- will spread the word through my nation wide contacts. The mighty GN will, as always, punch above it's weight!

Keen to do what is needed!!

[Scuba_Steve]

See if you can get some people from the tourism industry marching. There is a national body representing the operators.

Good point here, Is there any Assosiations involved? i.e. The Tourism Association, Hospitality Association, Retail Association etc. These guys appear to have "bigger presence" than most unions & the Tourism industry espesially, is set for large targeted hikes like the bikes. (Just a thought)

[StoneY]

Good point here, Is there any Assosiations involved? i.e. The Tourism Association, Hospitality Association, Retail Association etc. These guys appear to have "bigger presence" than most unions & the Tourism industry espesially, is set for large targeted hikes like the bikes. (Just a thought)

10 Unions man...theyre in already, food and service workers covers tourism, the PSA who are coordinationg Union involvment are contacting many other relevant bodies.... Retailers, Engineers, Corrections and Police unions (theyve had the highest levy hike of all!)

Many of these 'Associations' are Unions with a flash name anyway, CANZ for example and PSA...no word 'Union' in the title but its what they are
:)
All good idea's but thought of already :)
All we Bikers need to do is relax, and turn up on Tuesday the 16th
I need 20 or so volunteers to don vizi vests and behave as if theyre officials at gates and parking zones at parliament

The Unions will rally and sheppard the foot marchers, and a few slow cruisers that wont cook off over a 30 minute crawl would be great too but ultimately, we are a show pony, the Unions are doing the numbers, the chants (Whos Next on the march, WE WERE on the grounds is the current theme) and paying the bills

12-2pm is our permitted time (to be confirmed by Lockwood yet) and the Backbencher is getting in extra supplies

I also reckon we do another full on BIKEOI but much later in the piece. Say November again, just to say "we aint forgotten" but thats way ahead in the future, for now lets help the Union's make a good show and kick Nix Myth in the balls!

[bogan]

All we Bikers need to do is relax, and turn up on Tuesday the 16th


sweet, will there be any flyer distribution required to get the word out? or are the unions taking care of that? Palmy may be pushing the limit of how far the people would go to protest (non-bikers that is) but if there's flyers It can't hurt to put em up anyways.

[mashman]

I'll be there Stoney, good on ya man. Would lend more support but will be packing, finding somewhere to live etc... not a good time. After my living arrangements are sorted i'm more than happy to help out in any way you need and any way i can (apart from dropping to my knees for relief purposes, oh or bending over etc...)...

[Jizah]

I'll be there too.

[riffer]

I guess I've become involved too... :sweatdrop

that was an interesting meeting with the Unions today.

[StoneY]

I guess I've become involved too... :sweatdrop

that was an interesting meeting with the Unions today.

Sure was bro.
Ok

Plenty afoot, the Union crew underestimate numbers these things can achieve

I am gonna go back one on one with the main guy and point out, they NEED to tell thier members if there is ONE action in history thet EVERY worker needs to pull a sickie for, its this one

Imagine the flow on of thousands of workers calling in sick to attend? The hit to our national productivity has to be worth it for the cause.....


But I digress.
This team off proffesional spin doctors me, Riffer, Bald Eagle and Ms Piggy met with have some wicked tools at thier disposal

Watch closely folks, we will have some major updates in about a week

Remember this event is not about Bikers, its about all NZers and the generations to come....coz its them we are fighting for today
and we will be able to stand proud in 20 years and say 'son, you survived the financial crisis after your accident because a bunch of my biker mates said "whos next" and fought a damn hard fight to save YOUR ACC'

[mashman]

Imagine the flow on of thousands of workers calling in sick to attend? The hit to our national productivity has to be worth it for the cause.....


What a jolly spiffing idea... it's up there with the government forcing every working person in the country to take a pay cut and disguising it as levies.

[StoneY]

What a jolly spiffing idea... it's up there with the government forcing every working person in the country to take a pay cut and disguising it as levies.

Mate...thats a wicked take on it, I am stealing it for a speech on the day, you have 3 seconds to apply copyrights....2....1...STOLEN!

[StoneY]

Ok one thing that became apparent

The Unions can spread the word, but they cannot 'ask' people to leave work or pull sickies etc to attend, its a legal issue around 'stop work' requests etc

So we the Bikers STILL need to spread the word.
Cousins, Aunties, Brothers, Sisters.........all of the family should be hit up, told its on, told to attend IF they can

The Unions will supply placards, portaloo's, speakers on the day (we have one Biker spokesperson, and I am MC again but rest is all from the Union pool and Politico's) and the concern I have is if LESS people than the BIKEOI show up its a fail

So we can still spread the word, at work, in ya e-mails, to ya mates at the pub, the kids, the rellie's, EVRYONE needs to know this is happening

Be at Westapc Stadium on the 16th of Feb at 11am to form up, march commences at 1145, arrives Parliament at 12ish to nail Nyx Myth to the wall once and for all....

But if we have less than 10,000, I reckon it will be a fail...so spread the word.
Bikes attending this time wil park right in front of parliament and TBH if Molesworth Street ends up closed down...I really dont care this time :)

[Bald Eagle]

Calendar event added.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2373

[bogan]

Calendar event added.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&ea=attend&e=2373

you mean to put the autoattend link there?


Bikes attending this time wil park right in front of parliament and TBH if Molesworth Street ends up closed down...I really dont care this time :)

Will we be marching as well? Will wear something decent under my leathers if so.

[StoneY]

Will we be marching as well? Will wear something decent under my leathers if so.


Bro, what I envisage, is the BIKERS that attend simply wait on Parliaments lawns, for the march to arrive
That way we are 'THERE' and they come to join us

Im even thinking to have a Haka welcome tyhe march...how kiwi can ya get? Lol

Seriously, Bikers need not march, the idea is we are there when the march arrives as a visible presence for my 'we came back' speech, where its timed to say 'and the rest of NZ is here with us this time' right as the marchers appear on the driveway and the Haka kicks off, and themn we have speakers and chants YEAH baby!

[Azi Dahaka]

will the unions at least be informing their members of the proposed actions and why it is happening.

[StoneY]

will the unions at least be informing their members of the proposed actions and why it is happening.

Theyve been telling them for ages now, so yeah they know

[Azi Dahaka]

only reason i ask is i havent heard anything our psa rep isnt here today so ill be sure to ask tomorrow

[StoneY]

only reason i ask is i havent heard anything our psa rep isnt here today so ill be sure to ask tomorrow

Its coming man the council of trade unions wiill hook in the other unions, but we met with the coalition at PSA house, its coming bruv

[laxette]

Hey StoneY i available to give you a hand i just have Ella with me

[riffer]

We're meeting again on Wednesday afternoon folks; we'll have a heap more information for you then.

[blossomsowner]

i will be doing my utmost to get there again and bring some friends this time. where is the extra information from wednesdays meeting.

keep up the great work.

[bogan]

anyone know if there is a facebook thingumy for this? is a good way to get the word out

[StoneY]

anyone know if there is a facebook thingumy for this? is a good way to get the word out

Go for it man and add a link here, love the idea but I have enough to do so the facebook page is yours!

[bogan]

Go for it man and add a link here, love the idea but I have enough to do so the facebook page is yours!

shall do, thought i better just make sure there wasnt one already, FB search turned up two groups, one started by phill goff which is a bit labour vs national, another one seems better keep ACC public (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=160707418479)

set up a facebook event here (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293722085812) which I will be publishing in groups etc shortly, any changes needed let me know ASAP!

[MSTRS]

Some support here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=146721) could be a good thing.

[danielle]

Done, hopefully some of my friends will put this on there facebook page too and let it spread

[DEVVIL]

shall do, thought i better just make sure there wasnt one already, FB search turned up two groups, one started by phill goff which is a bit labour vs national, another one seems better keep ACC public (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=160707418479)

set up a facebook event here (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293722085812) which I will be publishing in groups etc shortly, any changes needed let me know ASAP!

I put some of my pics on, so people can get get an idea of how big this thing is going to be.

[Ratti]

Im keen.

I marshalled at Avalon for the BIKEOI, but to be honest it's bloody hard work. Like trying to herd friggen chickens. never again..NEVER

I think my old Zwould be fine for a slow march if that's any help. And of course as a middle aged Mama, Im an excellent example of a biker!

Feel free to pm me if you need a email addy to advise updates.

[riffer]

I'm actually looking forward to this one a lot more than the previous one. While it was great to do the biker thing, it was a limited message. There's so much more at stake now. As Ixion warned, the ACC levies on bikes were just the start. Do we want to see a time when our children can't play sport at school because the ACC levies for the schools are too high because ACC was sold to insurance companies? Or when our mother falls over, breaks her hip and she can't get an operation for two years because ACC won't pay for old people's ops because the cost/benefit ratio is not good. We'll be needing private insurance for Health, private insurance for ACC, and be paying huge tax before we know it. Read more about how ACC works at the moment here: The results of the ACC Forum @ the AKl Uni Business School - http://bit.ly/8xLSq5

[blackdog]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3256811/Nick-Smith-faces-trial-in-June

slightly :Offtopic: but interesting

[gazmascelle]

Some support here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=146721) could be a good thing.

Done. Hopefully I can make it again this time, gonna be busy in february

[StoneY]

Its taking off peoples.
Devil your posts here and there, Bogan your facebook link and the links its hooked to.....looks like the Bikers are doing it again, making it happen

Rock on!

Feb 16 we gonna scare the crap outta this government, they gonna see a lost election standing on the lawns
:niceone:

[SpankMe]

Calendar event added.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2373

edited.

When copying the calendar URL, make sure you do so BEFORE you click attend, otherwise the attend option gets added to the URL and whoever clicks on your link to just view the calendar event will be added to the attend list.

[maxf]

Done. Hopefully I can make it again this time, gonna be busy in february

Done too...

[paulmac]

Will bring a group down from the Naki !!

[Toaster]

Looks good. Bring the rain... of bikers that is....

[oldrider]

Its taking off peoples.
Devil your posts here and there, Bogan your facebook link and the links its hooked to.....looks like the Bikers are doing it again, making it happen

Rock on!

Feb 16 we gonna scare the crap outta this government, they gonna see a lost election standing on the lawns
:niceone:

Sorry!

Call it what you like this has now simply become a left wing political rally in disguise!

Like the Triumph advertisements recommend, I will "go my own way"! :ride:

[StoneY]

Sorry!

Call it what you like this has now simply become a left wing political rally in disguise!

Like the Triumph advertisements recommend, I will "go my own way"! :ride:

Ummm...what did you expect it to become Olds?
Its POLITICAL rally dude, on a POLITICAL ISSUE ffs!

And as its the 'right' wing thats attacking our lifestyle and our way of life, of course support will come from the left BIG time, and who cares!
Its not 'left vs right' to me its about saving ACC for our future generations, its about a forced pay cut with no consultation, its about being fucking ripped off by our elected officials who have lied through thier teeth and played on Kiwi apathy to make thier mates and fellow shareholders richer at MY expense!

ACC AINT BROKE ffs, how many times do we need to prove that? Are you even on the same planet as the one we live on?

If YOU aint gonna be hit by a higher ACC levy thats not justifiable (do retired folk pay a levy?), fine, sit on ya arse in Hamilton and do nothing, but dont come into MY protest thread taking cheap shots that are irrelevant to the issue at hand

I for one, am fighting to save an institution UNIQUE to NZ that is being torn up to make those assholes who sit on the far right benches richer than they already are at the expense of every one of our kids, our elderly (yes YOU too) and the victims who cant speak for themselves.

It aint about BIKE levies this time, and thats been the theme from day one so if YOU dont wanna participate, keep ya negative bullshit out of the thread.
And dont bitch about the waiting lists when you need a new hip either, its apathy like yours and good old fashioned 'right and leftism' that is the root cause of the issue to start with

[Toaster]

Looks good. Bring the rain... of bikers that is....

Deleted.... thanks for the email explanation StoneY. Appreciated.

[StoneY]

Aw crud, hit wrong post matey sorry was aimed at olds, new menu confusing

Can mods undo bling?
That was wrong recip man again sorry for that
My bad :(

Asked the PTB to remove red if they can man again, sorry new layout confusion

[oldrider]

Ummm...what did you expect it to become Olds?
Its POLITICAL rally dude, on a POLITICAL ISSUE ffs!

And as its the 'right' wing thats attacking our lifestyle and our way of life, of course support will come from the left BIG time, and who cares!
Its not 'left vs right' to me its about saving ACC for our future generations, its about a forced pay cut with no consultation, its about being fucking ripped off by our elected officials who have lied through thier teeth and played on Kiwi apathy to make thier mates and fellow shareholders richer at MY expense!

ACC AINT BROKE ffs, how many times do we need to prove that? Are you even on the same planet as the one we live on?

If YOU aint gonna be hit by a higher ACC levy thats not justifiable (do retired folk pay a levy?), fine, sit on ya arse in Hamilton and do nothing, but dont come into MY protest thread taking cheap shots that are irrelevant to the issue at hand

I for one, am fighting to save an institution UNIQUE to NZ that is being torn up to make those assholes who sit on the far right benches richer than they already are at the expense of every one of our kids, our elderly (yes YOU too) and the victims who cant speak for themselves.

It aint about BIKE levies this time, and thats been the theme from day one so if YOU dont wanna participate, keep ya negative bullshit out of the thread.
And dont bitch about the waiting lists when you need a new hip either, its apathy like yours and good old fashioned 'right and leftism' that is the root cause of the issue to start with

Hmmm, so you just threw "freedom of speech" out the window along with "freedom to choose" as well.

Your attitude reinforces my decision, you go your way, I'll go mine! Simple really, nothing more to discuss!

[Toaster]

Thanks buddy. We can get them to clear out both our bits.


Aw crud, hit wrong post matey sorry was aimed at olds, new menu confusing

Can mods undo bling?
That was wrong recip man again sorry for that
My bad :(

Asked the PTB to remove red if they can man again, sorry new layout confusion

[MSTRS]

Hmmm, so you just threw "freedom of speech" out the window along with "freedom to choose" as well.

Your attitude reinforces my decision, you go your way, I'll go mine! Simple really, nothing more to discuss!

Fair enough. But ask yourself...do you want to pay more, and get less in return? Regardless of 'political beliefs' I think the answer to that question is crucial.

[StoneY]

Hmmm, so you just threw "freedom of speech" out the window along with "freedom to choose" as well.

Your attitude reinforces my decision, you go your way, I'll go mine! Simple really, nothing more to discuss!

Your dead right there is nothing to discuss with people that have thier heads in the sand,

But YOU chose to come into this thread and make your grand statement of leftism vs rightism, which is totally MOOT to the issue at hand.
I dont care what party is in power, the fact is this government is RIPPING off the little guys to fleece the already huge fat cats pockets even more.....
If you aint on our side, why bother coming into this thread to make whats an obviously hostile statement.

You go your own way Olds by all means, but I will tell you right now 90% of this country back me and the protest, why? BECAUSE these issues MATTER more than left or right, is why.
Save our ACC, thats what it is about, not labour vs national or act vs maori pty...its about our rights and our lifestyle, and the principles of keeping your word.

[StoneY]

Fair enough. But ask yourself...do you want to pay more, and get less in return? Regardless of 'political beliefs' I think the answer to that question is crucial.

Thanks MSTRS well bloody put...wish I could compress a message that way LOL
(StoneY...stfu!):shutup:

[oldrider]

Fair enough. But ask yourself...do you want to pay more, and get less in return? Regardless of 'political beliefs' I think the answer to that question is crucial.
With all due respect, I have considered this from day one!


Your dead right there is nothing to discuss with people that have thier heads in the sand,

But YOU chose to come into this thread and make your grand statement of leftism vs rightism, which is totally MOOT to the issue at hand.
I dont care what party is in power, the fact is this government is RIPPING off the little guys to fleece the already huge fat cats pockets even more.....
If you aint on our side, why bother coming into this thread to make whats an obviously hostile statement.

You go your own way Olds by all means, but I will tell you right now 90% of this country back me and the protest, why? BECAUSE these issues MATTER more than left or right, is why.
Save our ACC, thats what it is about, not labour vs national or act vs maori pty...its about our rights and our lifestyle, and the principles of keeping your word.
"Your thread" heading says it all really.
You have gained 10 unions and lost me (do the maths) and you are loosing your cool over that!
I simply advised you that it was too politicaly unbalanced for me to stay on board and I will go my own way.
Apart from that nothing has changed!
Well, except that I now have a "red" bling from you for exercising my right of free speech!

[StoneY]

With all due respect, I have considered this from day one!


"Your thread" heading says it all really.
You have gained 10 unions and lost me (do the maths) and you are loosing your cool over that!
I simply advised you that it was too politicaly unbalanced for me to stay on board and I will go my own way.
Apart from that nothing has changed!
Well, except that I now have a "red" bling from you for exercising my right of free speech!

Hey your the one who wanted to make it a sides issue.
And red bling is my exoression fo free speech too, so just go find some posts to red rep of mine if you feel the need, I repped the content of the post not the person.
Its not left/right at all its about democracy and our rights and being ripped off for no good reason

[blackdog]

Looks good. Bring the rain... of bikers that is....

reign?.......

[blackdog]

Hmmm, so you just threw "freedom of speech" out the window along with "freedom to choose" as well.

Your attitude reinforces my decision, you go your way, I'll go mine! Simple really, nothing more to discuss!

the whole point of any rally/protest is freedom of speech??!!
throw yourself out the window

[Murray]

No dont do that, he might hurt himself and go on ACC. It is not a left/right issue it is an issue that affects all bikers

[yungatart]

No dont do that, he might hurt himself and go on ACC. It is not a left/right issue it is an issue that affects all bikers

Actually, it affects all New Zealanders, whether they ride a motorcycle or not...it was waaaay bigger than bikers.....

[blackdog]

Actually, it affects all New Zealanders, whether they ride a motorcycle or not...it was waaaay bigger than bikers.....

it IS "way bigger........"

[P38]

Todays Dom Post contained a letter to the Editor supposedly from Dr Jan White, CEO ACC.

This letter was in response to a story the Dom post had run a few weeks ago.

The letter simply regurgitates the same old tired shit about how much Motorcyclists are costing Motorists and how broke ACC is etc etc....

My first thought when reading this was "Since when does the CEO of a Major Corporation respond to a Letter to an Editor of a regional newspaper".

Has this ever happened before?

Dont they have Plebs or Lackies to do the dirty work for them anymore?

Seems to me ACC is getting a bit uncomfortable with the pressure being bought to bear on it.

I also see John Key is about to announce a reshuffle of his cabinet, coincidently Nick Smith is facing a $15,000,000 defamation case.

Are the cracks starting to appear in this National Government?

Only way to tell for sure is to keep up the pressure......

See you all in Wellywood on the 16th.

[riffer]

Trust me oldrider, it's bloody hard to get any right-wing or even centrist representation against this ACC thing, as most righties seem to be on the government's side. Despite my political tendencies I've aligned myself with this protest as it's against the changes to ACC. A number of others felt the same way when the bikers "aligned" themselves with Labour and the Greens at the last rally. It's time to put away our political enmities and concentrate on the bigger issue - our country's future. We all know that Labour would have probably done the same thing as the Nats, so let's drop the left vs right thing okay?

[RiderInBlack]

All Oldrider's Posts have done is make me wish I could get there myself even more. Too bad my roister this time doesn't help. Getting from Whangarei to Wellington is a bit of a mission. Hope it all goes well because as an Orthopaedic Nurse I'm not looking forward to having to deal patients without ACC as it is now.
"No Faults ACC" = No Judgment about how I care for my patients, or how much care I give, or whether they can afford it.
Think carefully about that as you get older and have fractures more easily with less income to pay for the surgery that you will need for it, as you are lying in pain, waiting for the Ambo to check out your medical insurance to see if they will cover you.

[P38]

I want all riders to just show up in individual groups, marshals to park em up, and you know, if Molesworth St ends up blocked by bikes...I dont care (hint hint) :)

I can hear Wellingtons parking wardens rubbing their hands together with glee dreaming of all the parking infringement notices they could write up ........................... Montly bonuses will be achieved, Ipods and Trips away will be earned.

I'm in two minds at this stage
One says becareful where you park, :no:
The other says Fuck Em I'll park exactly where I bloody want too. :yes:

Probally decide on the day and park according to the conditions .... :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

[oldrider]

Hey your the one who wanted to make it a sides issue.
And red bling is my exoression fo free speech too, so just go find some posts to red rep of mine if you feel the need, I repped the content of the post not the person.
Its not left/right at all its about democracy and our rights and being ripped off for no good reason

The red bling is of no consequence, lets focus on the issues, correct me if I am wrong!

The issue is about reintroduction of a "State controlled monopoly ACC welfare (Woodhouse model) system".

Rather than.

The introduction of "Private competative ACC insurance" and the probable phasing out of the current "State monopoly ACC insurance system"!

From it's beginning ACC has endured abuse from both governments and claimants, to the detriment of the origional Woodhouse concept.

ACC has now reached it's current status of a "State controlled monopoly insurance company" that is wielding outrageous costs on an undeserving taxpaying public with no altrenatives!

The action is to support the reintroduction of the original Woodhouse ACC system!

I believe that the action is now becoming more focussed upon the reinstatement of a Labour lead government and the removal of the current government, rather than focussing on the issue at hand.

I believe that "all" governments have contributed to the current situation and simply replacing one for another will only exacerbate the problem, not remedy it!

I felt I should make my position clear, I support the issue but not the "apparent" political direction being pursued by the action.

[bogan]

not at all, the action is focused on the removal of the future funding scheme and dropping the levy hikes. The nature of politicing seems to mean the opposition will use this as an excuse to put the boot in to national and try and get support from us, whats wrong with that? (apart from the petty nature of politics, but thats all we have to work with)

[RiderInBlack]

The action is to support the reintroduction of the original Woodhouse ACC system!

I believe that the action is now becoming more focussed upon the reinstatement of a Labour lead government and the removal of the current government, rather than focussing on the issue at hand.

I believe that "all" governments have contributed to the current situation and simply replacing one for another will only exacerbate the problem, not remedy it!

I felt I should make my position clear, I support the issue but not the "apparent" political direction being pursued by the action.That "apparent" politcal direction is all in ya own head Oldrider. This is about reinstating the original Woodhouse ACC system and not about who is in power IMHO.
Yes Labour has been nibbling away at this quietly, but National is hacking away at it with gusto. What's more we are being sold on it being a good thing that we need to do because ACC is broke:no:
If Labour had proposed to do as National is with the ACC system I be there giving them shit too.
I don't care whos it power, but I do care about what they do while they are there.

[oldrider]

That "apparent" politcal direction is all in ya own head Oldrider. This is about reinstating the original Woodhouse ACC system and not about who is in power IMHO.
Yes Labour has been nibbling away at this quietly, but National is hacking away at it with gusto. What's more we are being sold on it being a good thing that we need to do because ACC is broke:no:
If Labour had proposed to do as National is with the ACC system I be there giving them shit too.
I don't care whos it power, but I do care about what they do while they are there.

That may well be true, "that it is all in my own head", fair enough but it is not something that I wish to see happen!

Can't disagree with anything else you said in your post either, just don't want to see the initiative highjacked for the wrong reasons!

I don't regard political "left or right" in a straight line, it's more like a circle, every 180 degrees they turn into clones of each other, just the way National and Labour have over the past forty years!

Their staunch supporters don't even seem to notice them doing it! :brick:

The vision "in my own head" :lol: is the union movements hijacking the initiative to Labour's advantage and then we are out of the frying pan and into the political fire all over again!

Even worse is that if I get in behind and run with it, "I" will have helped them do it! :doh:

Oh well, moving right along. :shifty:

[caseye]

Unfortunately it will come down to , whoever promises publicly and on record, to reinstate the ACC and it's traditional Woodhouse principals will be the next Govt. Once this act of suicide has been seen for what it is by all New Zealanders affected by it ( that is every single one of us) the Nats will be out on their ear in double quick time and naturally Labour will be back in.Well that is of course unless this stupid MMP crap reas it's Ugly head and unites two totally opposed parties into a minority Govt again.
It's past the point of being able to pick and choose the moral rights andwrongs Oldrider, its time simply to act and live with the consequences.
I salute your stand and recognise that this is your Act and that you wish neither political party to gain favour or qudos from the outcome of this protest.
I'm going to Wellington again, another three days un paid leave etc etc but I consider it worth it ,if Key and his mindless Profit before people cronies end up ousted by the people and their political allies, in this case primarily ,
Labour .

[gazmascelle]

That may well be true, "that it is all in my own head", fair enough but it is not something that I wish to see happen!

Can't disagree with anything else you said in your post either, just don't want to see the initiative highjacked for the wrong reasons!

I don't regard political "left or right" in a straight line, it's more like a circle, every 180 degrees they turn into clones of each other, just the way National and Labour have over the past forty years!

Their staunch supporters don't even seem to notice them doing it! :brick:

The vision "in my own head" :lol: is the union movements hijacking the initiative to Labour's advantage and then we are out of the frying pan and into the political fire all over again!

Even worse is that if I get in behind and run with it, "I" will have helped them do it! :doh:

Oh well, moving right along. :shifty:

Fair enough.

Labour/Greens/Maori/Bill and Ben/Whatever can get involved in this all they like, I couldn't care less. As long as we make our point.

[Pixie]

See if you can get some people from the tourism industry marching. There is a national body representing the operators.
I heard,recently, that the ACC levies for Ski field operators went through the roof as well.

[StoneY]

I can hear Wellingtons parking wardens rubbing their hands together with glee dreaming of all the parking infringement notices they could write up ........................... Montly bonuses will be achieved, Ipods and Trips away will be earned.

I'm in two minds at this stage
One says becareful where you park, :no:
The other says Fuck Em I'll park exactly where I bloody want too. :yes:

Probally decide on the day and park according to the conditions .... :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

Smart post bro, and hopefully solved as of today and Mr Jon Visser's assistance getting the authorities to actually pay attention!
Parking not QUITE secured, but requested in tripplicate, anotated by HM The Queen, palced before the select comitee for approval.....cones booked for the day!

Honestly...if you had any idea the hassle it is THIS time....seems Bikers were a far more attractive option to Unions! Go figure!
(I think they really wanted to perve at all our cool chicks in leather myself)

[duncan_bayne]

Fair enough. But ask yourself...do you want to pay more, and get less in return? Regardless of 'political beliefs' I think the answer to that question is crucial.

You're right. Much more important that we focus on the bottom line - individual ACC charges - than anything as trifling as freedom or other abstract political principles.

[p.dath]

Forgive me for not reading the whole thread; is this still set to go ahead of February 16th?

[Bald Eagle]

Forgive me for not reading the whole thread; is this still set to go ahead of February 16th?


Yes Tuesday Feb 16th is a definite date.

[p.dath]

I was thinking about asking my contacts in AA to issue a press release questioning the need for pre-funding.

I was also thinking of writing to a show like John Campbell and seeing if I could entice them to do a show about the issue.

Anyone have any objections? Don't want to step on anyone's toes, or counter an effort that has already been made.

[riffer]

I was thinking about asking my contacts in AA to issue a press release questioning the need for pre-funding.

I was also thinking of writing to a show like John Campbell and seeing if I could entice them to do a show about the issue.

Anyone have any objections? Don't want to step on anyone's toes, or counter an effort that has already been made.


Good bloody luck getting AA to do anything with this. As a company that promotes Insurance, they've got a vested interest in seeing ACC sold off.

[StoneY]

I was thinking about asking my contacts in AA to issue a press release questioning the need for pre-funding.

I was also thinking of writing to a show like John Campbell and seeing if I could entice them to do a show about the issue.

Anyone have any objections? Don't want to step on anyone's toes, or counter an effort that has already been made.

P.Dath mate, great intention but your 'contacts' in the AA dont give a shit man, them fuckers are 100% behind the levy hikes ACCROSS the board. They are an INSURANCE company, have been for 20 fucking years, the 'association' side of its LONG gone dude, and they want a piece of the great pie when JK cuts the slices off.

This is the...aherm....most misguided/informed/thought/post you have yet made my friend.....

Youve come up with some stunning stuff for the ACC campaign to date tho bro, keep the efforts going but the AA are litterally our enemy, no shit, even thier own call centre staff hate the policies they have in place when I took my bikes, car and life policies elsewhere, I told them exactly why, and turns out the call centre guy had been on the BIKEOI! As a biker he was also less than impressed with hs employers stance...

AA are assholes mate, but what we CAN do (and I think it was you who made this suggestion) is join up, swamp the AGM with bikers, and vote a Biker into the head role MUWAHAHAHAHA

As for TV, good luck mate, I dleivered an 8000 bike convoy to TV3 and TVNZ,as well as 9,500 angry hooligans chanting BULLSHIT and they wont even give us 5 minutes for a breakfast show announcement on this one....

Anyone able to get the cheeses to re-think pre protest coverage with TV stations, go for it, just ask our comms advisors (Ms piggy on KB) for an offiiail statement so we get the fact right, please
In fact the Unions promised a media campaign...so lets see if they can boot the doors to the studio's down.

[p.dath]

Here is what I have sent to Campbell Live:


This year more than any other year is going to be the year that NZ needs to decide if they want a pre-funded ACC scheme.

It's an issue that affects everyone that pays levies. Workers, self employed, motorists, etc.

When Owen Woodhouse (still alive - interview potential) created the scheme he did so after careful consideration after looking at all the major systems in the world.
He came to the conclusion that a simple compensation scheme (as opposed to an insurance system which NZ previously had) provided the greatest benefit to the community. I'll mention that word again, community, because that's what it is all about. The community caring for the community.

His opinion was that a community funded scheme where all people contribute equally (no risk assessment or consideration of fault) to assist those most in need, down to those least in need, would work best (he determined that helping those least in need of support would be determined by what the community was prepared to pay).

For some reason NZ took a sudden deviation off the original plan and changed from "pay as you go" to pre-funding.

No other area of Government social spending is pre-funded. You don't have to pay for your entire retirement on the first year you retire. You don't have to pay for your entire use of the roading network the first year you start driving. You don't have to pay for your entire education in the first year you attend school.

So why was there a need to all of a sudden change ACC so that you have to pay for all future care relating to accidents in the year that they occur?

NZ has been in a recession. If you dropped the pre-funding now, every single levy holder could have an immediate reduction in their levies, giving the economy a much needed little push.

This issue is very much an issue affecting all NZ's.

It would also get rid of the countries ACC debt, which only exists on paper.
Did you know ACC recently *only* had a $900m? It was only $900m because of the recession. Typically its more like $2b.

Would you call a corporation with a $900m cash operating surplus and with significant assets in trouble? No. The "trouble" is purely on paper because of pre-funding.

There is going to be a general protest march on parliament on February 16th.

I think with all the additional media attention that your show might benefit nicely from a more in-depth look at the situation.


I hope for your support in bringing this to the attention of the average NZ'er, and what they are having to needlessly pay for.

[MSTRS]

Good letter. Bar one thing...
The surplus was $1.2B and that was for the 2008/09 year only. Their total 'surplus' is in the nature of $14B.

[p.dath]

Good letter. Bar one thing...
The surplus was $1.2B and that was for the 2008/09 year only. Their total 'surplus' is in the nature of $14B.

I thought the surplus cash operating surplus was $1.2b the prior year, and $900m in the most recent year with released info?

[P38]

Honestly...if you had any idea the hassle it is THIS time....seems Bikers were a far more attractive option to Unions! Go figure!
(I think they really wanted to perve at all our cool chicks in leather myself)

I gotta get me one of them "Cool Chicks in Leather"..... where do you order them from?

[MSTRS]

www.bikermollsrus.com

[P38]

www.bikermollsrus.com

Thanks for the link MSTRS

Can't seem to connect just at the moment though .........must be a busy web page...... I'll try again later when there not so much traffic :msn-wink:

[Azi Dahaka]

it will be brilliant when this happens has there been any more word on the format of this event what i have so far is bikers roll up to moles worth street by x:xx time on the 16th of feb 2010 and the rally starts at X:xx time.

the unions march from the stadium with an escort of a couple of people on crusers (i would so like to volenteer) and then arrive with all the bikers there already waiting for them and you say we came here alone and now we are here and othere have come to join us in the cause (or something to that degree).

the protest then ends at X:XX time and we all go back to our lives to have acc smithy ingore us again.

is that in the ball park and can i ask for the times to be filled in so i can inform people i know for this event.

[riffer]

is that in the ball park and can i ask for the times to be filled in so i can inform people i know for this event.

The man asks, and info is forthcoming:

Parliament Protest to Save ACC on February 16th 2010

Time:12:00pm to 2:00pm
Place: Parliament, Wellington
Purpose: To put an end to the privatization of our ACC system

Bikers:
Molesworth Street, and the Cenotaph area, parking reserved

Ride direct to Molesworth st, DO NOT go to the Stadium as that is a pedestrian rally point this time round and no vehicular access has been granted to us.

There will be no group ride arranged by this organization, groups riding in convoy are autonomous and must arrange own ride briefs and timetables, information on the process can be sought from Chanceyy on Kiwibiker, who has a wealth of experience in such activity and organized half the BIKEOI convoy activity

Arrive before 12pm please to ensure you get a parking space, there will be reserved parks and they will run out if the numbers we expect are going to happen. I hope it does, we wish to be mildly disruptive this time. MILDLY I say

Intention is to be ON the grounds before 12.30 to ‘welcome’ the Union and other affected groups to ‘Our Place’ on the day, it would be great if you can all follow the prompt to start a ‘who’s next’ chant as the march approaches at approx 12.30pm

Biker rep’s and speeches will be presented in the 12-1230 time slot, ending with a huge welcome cheer for the unions marchers



Non Bikers or support marchers:
Westpac Trust Stadium, Fran Wilde Walkway, south end

Pedestrians and attending supporters, whanau, groups and individuals attending with intention to march

11-11:45 the march forms up, and 12:30 arrives at Parliament via Lambton Quay, and once they arrive the real protest begins

1230-100 is union speeches, 1-130 politicians and academics, 130-200pm is tourism representatives and those from affected industry not represented by the Council of Trade Unions, as well as any wildcards that spring up on the day or closer to the event

This is the opportunity to tell the current government that ACC is not a political football, it is a treasured national institution, a treasure of our nation and we will not tolerate it being carved up for sale to strengthen the profit margins of private insurance companies at the expense of the Kiwi Tax Paying Public



ACC is NOT broke, ACC is NOT broken
Join us at Parliament on the day, and protect our children’s futures from privatization this is the last chance we get to send the message to Nick Smith, John Key and Bill English that yes, you may well lose the next election if your carry out your devious plan

[P38]

This is the opportunity to tell the current government that ACC is not a political football, it is a treasured national institution, a treasure of our nation and we will not tolerate it being carved up for sale to strengthen the profit margins of private insurance companies at the expense of the Kiwi Tax Paying Public



ACC is NOT broke, ACC is NOT broken
Join us at Parliament on the day, and protect our children’s futures from privatization this is the last chance we get to send the message to Nick Smith, John Key and Bill English that yes, you may well lose the next election if your carry out your devious plan

Spot on Riffer

Who's Next? ....................... Well it just might be "YOU Nick Smith" ................... You and Your Mates might be out on ya bloody ear!!!!!!!!!

[invisiblehand1]

Count me out. I am not interested in supporting a union propaganda exercise. Mate, you've been pwned.

What the hell does the Bikoi ACC protest have to do with the unions usual government bashing crap.

I ain't no tool of the F***n union movement.

Outta here

[riffer]

Count me out. I am not interested in supporting a union propaganda exercise. Mate, you've been pwned.

What the hell does the Bikoi ACC protest have to do with the unions usual government bashing crap.

I ain't no tool of the F***n union movement.

Outta here

Then you're a fool. Once again, you're letting your dislike of one party to the campaign split you off. You know what? It's bigger than just the unions. Do you want to know why we talked to the unions? It's simple. Numbers. They can get people there. I'm also talking to employers representatives, hoteliers representatives, claimants advocacy groups, tourism operators, and supporters and workers within all types of parties.

I'm not a Union member, probably never going to be. I have been previously, when it was compulsory and when I was young and needed their support. I work as a Manager in IT, and I'm paid more than the average wage (although it never seems to be enough). I'm not a Union tool. I'm in this because I believe in the idea of the social contract that the government set up with the workers of New Zealand back in the 60s, and I feel that, although there are some flaws in the ACC system, and some right ratbags who've ripped it off, it's a better system than ANY other country in the world has. It treats everyone as an equal, it's an egalitarial system, and it recognises that some people will do the dirty work, and the dangerous work, and that as part of a just society we recognise the input that EVERYONE puts in.

What does the bikoi ACC protest have to do with the Unions usual government bashing crap? It's the same government that proposed the changes to the ACC levies on bikers licensing fees that's proposing the massive hikes in levies everywhere else on a false premise, the slashing of compensations and the eventual privatisation of the scheme. You remember at the bikoi we asked "Who's Next?" Well we know now. And that's why we support that. Because bikers stand up for anyone who's getting shit on.

I bet you'll bitch then when your insurance levies go through the roof.

You know what - you remind me of someone "refusing to go and fight the Germans in WWII because he'd have to fight alongside those black bastards in the Maori Battalion."

Weak man, weak. Don't let the door close you on the way out.

[mashman]

Then you're a fool. Once again, you're letting your dislike of one party to the campaign split you off. You know what? It's bigger than just the unions. Do you want to know why we talked to the unions? It's simple. Numbers. They can get people there. I'm also talking to employers representatives, hoteliers representatives, claimants advocacy groups, tourism operators, and supporters and workers within all types of parties.

I'm not a Union member, probably never going to be. I have been previously, when it was compulsory and when I was young and needed their support. I work as a Manager in IT, and I'm paid more than the average wage (although it never seems to be enough). I'm not a Union tool. I'm in this because I believe in the idea of the social contract that the government set up with the workers of New Zealand back in the 60s, and I feel that, although there are some flaws in the ACC system, and some right ratbags who've ripped it off, it's a better system than ANY other country in the world has. It treats everyone as an equal, it's an egalitarial system, and it recognises that some people will do the dirty work, and the dangerous work, and that as part of a just society we recognise the input that EVERYONE puts in.

What does the bikoi ACC protest have to do with the Unions usual government bashing crap? It's the same government that proposed the changes to the ACC levies on bikers licensing fees that's proposing the massive hikes in levies everywhere else on a false premise, the slashing of compensations and the eventual privatisation of the scheme. You remember at the bikoi we asked "Who's Next?" Well we know now. And that's why we support that. Because bikers stand up for anyone who's getting shit on.

I bet you'll bitch then when your insurance levies go through the roof.

You know what - you remind me of someone "refusing to go and fight the Germans in WWII because he'd have to fight alongside those black bastards in the Maori Battalion."

Weak man, weak. Don't let the door close you on the way out.

That should be a statement read out on the 16th...

[riffer]

That should be a statement read out on the 16th...

Although I've previously stated I really don't want to speak at Parliament I'm happy to do so if people think it would make a difference...

[caseye]

Count me out. I am not interested in supporting a union propaganda exercise. Mate, you've been pwned.

What the hell does the Bikoi ACC protest have to do with the unions usual government bashing crap.

I ain't no tool of the F***n union movement.

Outta here


Hey no Worries, consider yourself OUT! We don't want to be flanked by people we can't trust.As a group we bikers came to Welington and told Smythe and his cronies,"Bullshit"
They went away and took stock and halved(at least) their own best guesstimate and told the rest of the countries motorists they'd still be paying that pesky ol $77.00 for us.
A win? well no, a backdown Oh Yes!@#$ and a major one.
While we were there , we said " who's next", they said ,"ah no one" Then they landed thier surprise on the tourist sector and then the other motorists, now the whole country is alert to whats going on.No one likes lying in bed with strangers, but numbers count and if the unions( great organisers, and it means we go a lot less distance to get big numbers) can get their memberships mobilised it'll be a very diffeent looking Parliamentary Steps and grounds than last time, but! we will have those afected with us and this time the Govt just might come to realise that to piss us off in the first place, wasn't such a good idea.
Why?
Well here we are again, this time with those who were NEXT.lets see the govt weasel thier way out of this one.After the 16th it's gloves off until they back off of ACC and reinstate all principals to their oiginal intentions or LOSE the next election.That is the message that we and the others (the "who's nexts") will be giving the National Govt.
This issue is not going to die and they are going to lose if they try to bulldoze it through. So There You go.We are staying.

[P38]

Count me out. I am not interested in supporting a union propaganda exercise. Mate, you've been pwned.

What the hell does the Bikoi ACC protest have to do with the unions usual government bashing crap.

I ain't no tool of the F***n union movement.

Outta here

Who are you a tool for then?

[Fatt Max]

Count me out. I am not interested in supporting a union propaganda exercise. Mate, you've been pwned.

What the hell does the Bikoi ACC protest have to do with the unions usual government bashing crap.

I ain't no tool of the F***n union movement.

Outta here

Have a good look at the more definitive replies to your post.......and fuck off, you're not needed anyway.....

[Squiggles]

Perhaps a change of thread title to and the Unions, Trade Representatives, etc :yes:

[riffer]

Perhaps a change of thread title to and the Unions, Trade Representatives, etc :yes:

Yeah possibly. TBH, this things moving pretty fast, a lot like last time, and it's a moveable feast along the way. I've been privy to some of the posters and advertising that's going on to support this, and I can tell you, everyone involved realises that they're not the only ones affected. I'll be honest; we're pushing shit uphill trying to get employers involved as they are nearly all Nat supporters, but we're trying hard to get as many different types as possible as we can. You'd be amazed at the staggering amount of apathy in this country. We really are a nation of sheep at times.

[StoneY]

Have a good look at the more definitive replies to your post.......and fuck off, you're not needed anyway.....

But MAX my friend, you ARE

Can you be at Paliament on the day mate we need you to sing your two ACC songs, the bikoi song and the levy song and make up a new song as well for the crowd based on the fact workers are being sold out

MAX seriously we told the union teams of your insanely massive taklent and we have saved spots for you to entertain the masses.
PM me if any issues bro

[StoneY]

Dear rally organising committee,

We have some really exciting news about advertising for the rally. The CTU has decided to take out advertising at the Rugby 7s to attack the govts approach to ACC and encourage people to attend the rally o nthe 16th. Reduced rate advertising came available at the last minute and a number of unions have agreed to put in money to make it happen. We still intend to leaflet the 7s but we can probably also get some media time around the advert as well.

I understand that a short 30 seconds video will be made but the coverage is as follows:
* Event running 5th and 6th February 2009
* Screens to broadcast live coverage of the tournament from 10am to 2 am (16 hours per day)
* 250,000 people expected to pass through these sites over the 2 days
* Screen locations
o 20 square metres - Stadium concourse, between turnstiles and entrance
o 25 square metres - Waitangi Park moving to Courtenay Place for the evening on the Saturday
o 33 square metres - Queens Wharf
o 20 square metres - Courtenay Place, above Embassy theatre
* Package of 16 x 30 sec spots per screen, per day therefore a grand total of 128 x 30 sec TVC spots overall

This will be branded as CTU rather than the ACC Futures Coalition but it will still give us a huge boost.

Cheers

(Name Removed by StoneY for reasons of his privacy)
Policy Advisor
NZ Public Service Association
Te Pukenga Here Tikanga Mahi
PO Box 3817
Wellington

[Azi Dahaka]

But MAX my friend, you ARE

Can you be at Paliament on the day mate we need you to sing your two ACC songs, the bikoi song and the levy song and make up a new song as well for the crowd based on the fact workers are being sold out

MAX seriously we told the union teams of your insanely massive taklent and we have saved spots for you to entertain the masses.
PM me if any issues bro

laying it on a bit thick i see

[mashman]

Although I've previously stated I really don't want to speak at Parliament I'm happy to do so if people think it would make a difference...

Thing is, that pretty much seems to some up a lot of the apathy surrounding the issue. That it does affect everyone. That there are people wanting to do something about it. That it's not just about you and yours. That the social contract between us and our employees that you talk about, is being used as toilet paper in the beehive. And that the alternative will be no better, in fact, as you state, will only make things worse.

It's just my opinion. Many may not think it should be a statement read on the day... irrespective, i could taste the vitriole as the door was slamming shut, the shame of watching one of your countrymen try to take sides, citing political affiliation as their reason for not going. A clear concise argument as to why we are going back to stand on the lawn at parliament... mate, if it's within your power to read it or get it read, give it a context, slap on a bit of lippy and spew some fire at your countrymen!!! see if it catches!

[StoneY]

laying it on a bit thick i see

Mate the Unions had heard of MAX's songs and asked us to get him along

Bit thick...if you can do better step up....or sit back and ride the wave

[Theflash]

I would like to ride down to Wellington, but I'm gonna have to get a chain and sprocket kit first.

[bent12]

True breathe on friend

[Yow Ling]

I am gonna go back one on one with the main guy and point out, they NEED to tell thier members if there is ONE action in history thet EVERY worker needs to pull a sickie for, its this one

Imagine the flow on of thousands of workers calling in sick to attend? The hit to our national productivity has to be worth it for the cause.....



So you are basicly encouraging people to steal a days wages from their employers so they can come along and make you look "the man" ?

[gazmascelle]

So you are basicly encouraging people to steal a days wages from their employers so they can come along and make you look "the man" ?

I think he earned that title in november

[riffer]

So you are basicly encouraging people to steal a days wages from their employers so they can come along and make you look "the man" ?

Rather than steal a week's wages off me every year so that they can sell off ACC to their insurance company mates?

HELL YEAH.

[Yow Ling]

Rather than steal a week's wages off me every year so that they can sell off ACC to their insurance company mates?

HELL YEAH.

What does theft from your employer have to do with ACC ?

[riffer]

What does theft from your employer have to do with ACC ?

Nothing whatsoever.

[Fatt Max]

But MAX my friend, you ARE

Can you be at Paliament on the day mate we need you to sing your two ACC songs, the bikoi song and the levy song and make up a new song as well for the crowd based on the fact workers are being sold out

MAX seriously we told the union teams of your insanely massive taklent and we have saved spots for you to entertain the masses.
PM me if any issues bro

Yep, I'm on for this.

I'm flying down down on the day becayse I HAVE to be back in Auckland that night for some other music stuff that is happening, but fuck it, I do not want to miss this one cos I couldnt make the BIKEOI last year.

My flight lands at 10.00am and I'm on the 4.30pm flight out of there so the timing should be tickety boo.

Mrs Max has even offered to pack me a lunch and wants to know how many cheese and pickle sarnies I need to bring for the rest of you.

Ok, done, see you in Welly on the 16th....woo hoo....!!

[P38]

So you are basicly encouraging people to steal a days wages from their employers so they can come along and make you look "the man" ?

No No No your 100% wrong there mate.

Only ones getting Robbed here are millions of "Hard Working Kiwis" and their faimlies, including Yourself.
The sooner you see this the better off you will be

[P38]

Mrs Max has even offered to pack me a lunch and wants to know how many cheese and pickle sarnies I need to bring for the rest of you.

Ok, done, see you in Welly on the 16th....woo hoo....!!

Mmmmmmmmmmmm Cheese n Pickle :drool: :drool: :drool:

[coppepa]

Hi StoneY Time booked off work for me and my youngest will have a few days off school, he still talks about last time. Will not go on about how important this or my pissedoffness that some biker organizations seems to have forgotten what we promised last year. See ya there - ride safe.

[StoneY]

So you are basicly encouraging people to steal a days wages from their employers so they can come along and make you look "the man" ?

Dude I dont have to 'look the man'
I am fighting for the rights of the employers as much as the employees.

It aint about ME ya national Mole, if you dont get that piss off back to whatever rock you crawled out from under (Infraction pre-calculated -8 points TY)

I am not doing this thing ........... WE are doing this thing and many Unions and other affected groups are joining us, all I am doing is being the loud bastard to holler "lets GOOOOOOOOO!!!" and get the momentum moving

That momentum gaines a shitload over last 3 days as the rally was advertised on the BIG screens at the ACDC concerts, and at Aucklads ACDC concert too I believe

This morning i was in levin with Mykro and we were having brekky and these guys goin home from ACDC told US about the protest on the 16th!!!!!! The saw it on the ACDC big screens....wooohooo!

Word spreading!!!!!

[sunhuntin]

wouldnt it be sweet if ac/dc could rock on up on the 16th... hell, fatt could be front man!! be one way to gain some attention if nothing else.

[Yow Ling]

Dude I dont have to 'look the man'
I am fighting for the rights of the employers as much as the employees.

It aint about ME ya national Mole, if you dont get that piss off back to whatever rock you crawled out from under (Infraction pre-calculated -8 points TY)

I am not doing this thing ........... WE are doing this thing and many Unions and other affected groups are joining us



I simply asked why you thought it was right to steal a days pay from your employer, how that makes me a national mole I dont really follow, that would be like me calling you a communist for engaging the Unions


I am gonna go back one on one with the main guy and point out, they NEED to tell thier members if there is ONE action in history thet EVERY worker needs to pull a sickie for, its this one

Imagine the flow on of thousands of workers calling in sick to attend? The hit to our national productivity has to be worth it for the cause.....

[Ixion]

I simply asked why you thought it was right to steal a days pay from your employer, how that makes me a national mole I dont really follow, that would be like me calling you a communist for engaging the Unions

No you got that wrong. I am the communist. One reason why I am taking a low profile in this, Unions don't like communist

[Laxi]

that would be like me calling you a communist for engaging the Unions


Unions don't like communist

I would have thought that was quite logical

[StoneY]

I simply asked why you thought it was right to steal a days pay from your employer, how that makes me a national mole I dont really follow, that would be like me calling you a communist for engaging the Unions

You answer this, why is it right for this National Government to rip US off and sell our national asset's off?
ACC is NOT broke, its NOT broken, justify selling it, go on lets see that

Give me a good answer to that, and I will try to justify this 'stealing from employers' angle you have come up with.
Protesting and Civil disobedience to achieve a political outcome will break a few eggs and thats all there is too it

[Yow Ling]

Whatever

As long as you are having fun

[caseye]

Whatever

As long as you are having fun

Fun, who the hell are you trying to Kid? If you have nothing positive to contribute here then go away.
You know I'll be there again STONEY as per last time, it's costing me and the many others like me from up here 3 days of unpaid time off, so where does this stealing time off from your employer come into it?
Wally!@#$%

[Pedrostt500]

With a bit of deliberation on my part, I will be back again, willing to help.

[Fatt Max]

Whatever

As long as you are having fun

Mate, as Ceasear said to his assasins (Shakespeare, Scene 17, Act 1, line 27)

"You are a fucking wanker"

Now, go away and log onto your left handed sherman tanking websites.

[Connor]

See you on the 16th StoneY , Drop me a pm if I can help.

[StoneY]

Its far from fun.

ANyone who wishes to have the sleepless nights and the action meetings with the Police and the abuse from nay sayers and the warnings at work that you do HAVE a real job and all that goes with it, step on up!

Thanks to all who made it clear they will help, thanks to the Unions for spending thousands on the ads at ACDC (westpac gave the screens at a huge discount BUT it still cost over 3k) thanks MAX for coming down, Pedro, Connor and Casseye youll all be put to good use and Pdero this time you wont have to hang out t the stadium as bike security theres a bonus

Yow old buddy, if you think I am doing this for fun, then your seriously mistaken, I am doing this for my kids, your kids, thier kids, and the oldies who have done thier part and now stand to get ripped off by the Nat's and JK's big business mates

WORD!

[MSTRS]

There's some real passion in this thread. Pity some of it is turning to personal insults...
The writing is on the wall for ACC as we knew it. Most of us (barring those who stand to make money from the changes?) don't like what is happening, and equally, most of the disaffected don't feel they have a voice that will be heard. The Bikeoi did. The unions do. The union protest provides an opportunity to Joe Public to perhaps be involved by being there. Or at least give impetus for others (Grey Power comes to mind) to organise their own protest.

[StoneY]

Please everyone, Unions need more volunteers in Wellington region this weekend
If your attending the Fashion show, the 7's or the One Love rally, please volunteer to hand out some panflets
Contact me by PM to be put in touch with the people who will have the bulk supply


Hi all,

We had quite a successful leafleting exercise at the AC/DC concert on Saturday. We are now looking for people to leaflet for the rugby 7s and possibly some of the other events on over the weekend.

We will need 4 people for each of the following rosters on Friday at the
Station:
Friday 5 Feb: 11am-12.30pm (the fashion show of costumes is on from 11.30-12.15); 12.30pm-2.00pm ; 5.30-7.00pm Saturday 12.00pm-1.30pm; 4.30-6.00pm

We also need people to leaflet the One Love festival at the Hataitai Velodrome from 11.00am to about 12.30pm. they are expecting about 15,000 people.

Could you please spread the word in your organisations and pass names and contacts on to me.

The good news for the Rugby 7s is that the CTU will be purchasing advertising on the electronic screens that will be at the staduium and scattered around the town. This will promote the rally and is really exciting.


Regards

Glenn


Glenn Barclay
Policy Advisor
NZ Public Service Association
Te Pukenga Here Tikanga Mahi

[gazmascelle]

Please everyone, Unions need more volunteers in Wellington region this weekend
If your attending the Fashion show, the 7's or the One Love rally, please volunteer to hand out some panflets
Contact me by PM to be put in touch with the people who will have the bulk supply
[/B]

Got a pdf copy? wouldn't mind printing off a few flyers or posters to pass around when I get back to palmy

[riffer]

Good question.

We'll ask tomorrow and try and get you some.

[bogan]

Got a pdf copy? wouldn't mind printing off a few flyers or posters to pass around when I get back to palmy

see here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/110353-Horowhenua-Palmy-Local-Protest-Action/page25) for a little something I made for palmy

[riffer]

Okay guys. Here's the flyer. Go for it!

[The Powerhouse]

Hi we will be riding in a group of three from Pukekohe on the 15th. I have a Wing would be happy to lead march if you need me.
Regards The Powerhouse

[DEVVIL]

Hi we will be riding in a group of three from Pukekohe on the 15th. I have a Wing would be happy to lead march if you need me.
Regards The Powerhouse

Are you going the back roads?:Punk:

[CherryB]

If anyone has good ideas to pass the flyer on, volunteer. Let's create some sub-groups to share messages so we aren't doubling up too much but that the load is shared.
Good work to all those who've been involved, whether helping Stoney or just telling your mates.

[gazmascelle]

see here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/110353-Horowhenua-Palmy-Local-Protest-Action/page25) for a little something I made for palmy


Okay guys. Here's the flyer. Go for it!

Thanks guys. Too bad I can't shamelessly burn out the printer at work..

[blossomsowner]

Hi we will be riding in a group of three from Pukekohe on the 15th. I have a Wing would be happy to lead march if you need me.
Regards The Powerhouse

might be coming down as well........preferably via taumaranui side of the big lake thing

[DEVVIL]

might be coming down as well........preferably via taumaranui side of the big lake thing

Sounds like a plan.

[The Powerhouse]

We always travel thru Taumaranui for best riding.

[StoneY]

Looks like the state highways will be full of bikes again for 3-4 days, good stuff
You travellers all take due care ok, BIKEOI had 0 inbound incidents lets make this event the same (and avoid the tragic outbound incident next time too we hope)

[StoneY]

Ok i just read a PM from an Employer, and granted taking 'sickies' might not be kosher to some.

I stand by my stance that THIS is the ONE political battle in the coming decade that every Kiwi, employer or employee, needs to support.
EMPLOYERS stand to lose a huge chunk of profits that will eventually end up as increased charges to the clientelle

On the day of the BIKEOI TSS Red Baron and a few other bike shops closed doors in some cases, allowed half the staff in other cases, to attend the BIKEOI on full pay
Now while thats because thier industry was under direct threat of the increased levy on bikes. this situation is no different IMO

Truckies levy goes up 500%
Where is that gonna end up? On ya Milk and Eggs making that Omlette cost another dollar to make
Roofers, 800% increase
You like sitting in a dry house? It just cost another 1500 buck on the average re-roof once the levy hike filters downhill
Dont even ask about the deep sea fisherman...(when I was on the trawlers as a younger man my ACC lecy was 5c in the dollar, highest in the list back then)...I dread to think what a fish n chip dinner will cost by 2012 if we let the Nats sell ACC off

So while a 'sickie' has been accused of being theft, face it, lose a half day today to keep the system fair, or start paying the ferryman for a ride in a dinghy accross a very rough river

Do you all realize that one of the changes being written in is that you will HAVE to use up all your sick pay and annual leave when your injured before ACC entitlement will even kick in?
And youll have only 70% compensation not 80% and thats WITH your levy contribution doubling, tripplin, quadrupling in many cases yet your entitelmenst shrink? ANd if your in need of more than 12 months of support in the 13th month you drop to 60% and at 2 years entitlement will cease unless YOU pay a private specialist for assessment out of YOUR 60% income?
Oh and no one is re-instating the 'right to sue for personal damages' that still hides behind the cleverly written ACC act....yet your entitlements are GONE baby, utterly gone

ACC gave the goverment 700 MILLION doallrs from its 'operational budget execess' last year, and still has 1billion left more than it paid out in the whole period
ITS NOT BROKE!!!!!!! It does NOT NEED FIXING!
Unless we can remove the 50 or so over 200k earners from the management and start refusing bulk payouts to bludgers (thats all it needs FFS!) there is nothing wrong with ACC

Kieth Mclea and John Judge were appointed by JK and immediatley gave themselves a 40% payrise over their predecessor's, how is that fair management of a Govt controlled asset? Its become a trough for the current government and they simply want to make money in thier private investment portfolio's, there is no thought for the little guy in this heinous proposal from Nick Smith and John Judge

The Nat's are simply trying to sell it off so JK's mates in merril Lynch can make 200 million extra profuit at theexpense of YOU and ME and even worse, OUR KIDS and GRANDKIDS
Pay as you go works, because no one can predict how many people will be hurt in a year or how much it will cost

Now call me a zealot, a misguided fool if you like I really dont care
If these changes go through, dont cry to me later, becasue I warned you, employers, contractors, workers alike, this has to be stopped or we become a miniture USA

[MSTRS]

If those figiures are right, why doesn't the CTU take out an ad (like ACC did) to inform NZ of this stuff?
A letter to the editor is all very well, but very few actually bother to read them...

[StoneY]

If those figiures are right, why doesn't the CTU take out an ad (like ACC did) to inform NZ of this stuff?
A letter to the editor is all very well, but very few actually bother to read them...

CTU paid for big screen advertising at the Stadium for both ACDC and for the 7's tourney, 6k they put up, be a bit much to hit up all the national rags sadly.
CTU has no giant warchest like Nyx Myth can access....but they have paid for the screens, printing, and ACC Futures have paid for Printing, and the PA system.

On another note
Need volunteers to pass out the flyers for them too at One Love in Haitatitai and at the 7's (train station and thorndon quay entry)

[P38]

Right things are becoming more organised...

We have a group of at least 8 riders meeting at the BP in Stortford Lodge Hastings 16 February at 06:45 departing for Wellywood at 07:00

Anyone else who wishes to join us is most welcome the more the merrier :yes:, especially learners as us old farts will just be pootling along ..... most of the time. :scooter:

See you all on the 16th

Whos next? ..... Why Nick Smith is of course !!!!! :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

[Conquiztador]

Right things are becoming more organised...

We have a group of at least 8 riders meeting at the BP in Stortford Lodge Hastings 16 February at 06:45 departing for Wellywood at 07:00



See ya there. And I bring some others too.

[Ratti]

If any outof towners need a bed and a safe place to park for the night, pm me. I have room in the house for about 6 bods and tent space o/s. plus a lockup shed that can hold an extra 9-10 bikes if I move the van out for the night. Maybe more..

O and 2 showers and 3 toilets! Ulyssians get first choice, but KB'rs are welcome

[Fatt Max]

If any outof towners need a bed and a safe place to park for the night, pm me. I have room in the house for about 6 bods and tent space o/s. plus a lockup shed that can hold an extra 9-10 bikes if I move the van out for the night. Maybe more..

O and 2 showers and 3 toilets! Ulyssians get first choice, but KB'rs are welcome

I'll be there, any room for a fat bloke with a pie habit???

[StoneY]

I'll be there, any room for a fat bloke with a pie habit???

Pie habit....will my poor old Legacy be roomy enough to get ya from the airport??????:crazy:

[Fatt Max]

Pie habit....will my poor old Legacy be roomy enough to get ya from the airport??????:crazy:

Dont you worry mate, a decent size trailer will do the job. Did you get the mp3?

[Ratti]

Sure there is FMaxx. pm me and we can swap text numbers to arrange it. You can eat pies with my son, he a pie addict as well. Will Mrs FMaxx need a bed here as well? I have a van that I can pick you up from somewhere if that will help. Just in case Stoney's legacy aint big enuff.

[StoneY]

Haha Yeah Max I got the MP3 played it for my workmates they loved it

Ratti if you could arrange to get Max to Parliament before 1130 that would be great, that means I can ride the KTM in as opposed to the cage!

[StoneY]

There will be NO bike convoy escorting the Marchers
This is for safety reasons and is absolute stand by the authorities

ALL BIKES STRAIGHT TO MOLESWORTH STREET PLEASE

[Nicholas J Smythe]

I'll make tea ......

[Ratti]

I'll make tea ......

lots of tea, with bikkies for the bikies?

[sunhuntin]

stoney... where will there be marshalls from? for those of us from out of town, lol. cheers.

[P38]

There will be NO bike convoy escorting the Marchers
This is for safety reasons and is absolute stand by the authorities

ALL BIKES STRAIGHT TO MOLESWORTH STREET PLEASE

Stoney I'm not to sure about this........... if we all go straight to Molesworth Street and park our bikes on the street then there wont be any room left for anyone else. :(

Traffic might come to a complete stop for an hour or two .......... :whistle::whistle::whistle: :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

[P38]

See ya there. And I bring some others too.

Good Stuff

The more the merrier.

See ya there.

[GOONR]

CTU advertising at the Sevens (http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/unions-takes-acc-cuts-protest-sevens-118050), these guys must be putting up a fair amount of cash...

"Unions will take their campaign against ACC cuts to the Wellington sevens tournament this weekend.

The Council of Trade Unions president Helen Kelly says they will be paying for ads on the stadium's giant screens taking "a light-hearted route to a serious message about ACC".

The adverts, featuring the fictional misfortunes of 'Borat' in his fluorescent mankini with the strapline "That's gotta hurt - but cuts to ACC will hurt more""...

[caseye]

Stoney I'm not to sure about this........... if we all go straight to Molesworth Street and park our bikes on the street then there wont be any room left for anyone else. :(

Traffic might come to a complete stop for an hour or two .......... :whistle::whistle::whistle: :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

Aw shucks he was just whistling Dixie! The more Bikes the merrier I say, come on KB'ers and you scooter riders lets show em that we are still serious, a big turn out of Riders will make this an even bigger pain in the arse for bloody ol Nicks Myth!

[DEVVIL]

Stoney I'm not to sure about this........... if we all go straight to Molesworth Street and park our bikes on the street then there wont be any room left for anyone else. :(

Traffic might come to a complete stop for an hour or two .......... :whistle::whistle::whistle: :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

You're not doing that one bike to one car park around wellington are you?:innocent::innocent::innocent::scooter::wari:: scooter::wari::scooter::wari::scooter::wari::scoot er::wari::scooter:

[caseye]

Now . now there boys, an girls. We couldn't posibly do somethig like that in Wellington.
It's illegal don't you know.Only place I know of where you can't park a motorcycle in a park, pay for the privilage and expect to come back to find it still there.

[DEVVIL]

Now . now there boys, an girls. We couldn't posibly do somethig like that in Wellington.
It's illegal don't you know.Only place I know of where you can't park a motorcycle in a park, pay for the privilage and expect to come back to find it still there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMrJ5wrtcy4

[P38]

You're not doing that one bike to one car park around wellington are you?:innocent::innocent::innocent::scooter::wari:: scooter::wari::scooter::wari::scooter::wari::scoot er::wari::scooter:

I believe that would be the responsible thing to do in this instance :innocent:

[StoneY]

Stoney I'm not to sure about this........... if we all go straight to Molesworth Street and park our bikes on the street then there wont be any room left for anyone else. :(

Traffic might come to a complete stop for an hour or two .......... :whistle::whistle::whistle: :devil2: :devil2: :devil2:

Ok on day of the BIKEOI we stacked 6 bikes to each angle park (with odd exceptions for Cruisers and other fat bastards) and had 800 bikes right in front of Parliament
We had 150 more in front of the uni buildings, and about 150 more spread around in gaps and vacated car parks (4 bikes would instantly occupy any spot cages vacated LOL)

I aint suggesting we close Molesworth st at all. Council have been ASKED by the Police to 'consider' allowing us the angle parks, reserved from midnight to 2pm for US

Bear in mind that means council paying Scuzme (from KB's) team of road crews to cone it off (1.5k bill roughly) and losing 2k in parking revenue for the day
They did it last time..I am hoping the agree again (Please Mr Visser, you too will suffer a levy hike bruv!)

IF they DONT agree...fuck me I have NO idea where they bikes wil park

Stadium have yet to confirm they will alow us to 'overflow' to there pristine freshly repaired pavements, but they are likely to assist us (they LOVE bikers despite the asshole on the blue sporty that did the damage)


BOTTOM LINE is COME to Molesworth.
IF we need to redirect, you will be informed by the Marshals
Please do as they ask its likely theyre a KBer just like you

Arrive early...12 it starts allow for contingincies and think 'Parked and settled at 1130'

See ya all there

Osu!

[caseye]

Will be seeing you bright and early STONEY and for anyoe who for any reason wants to give the marshalls heaps, they are there to help you! not the Govt, not ACC, not the Welly council. YOU, so cut them some slack if you're not having a good day.

[invisiblehand1]

I see I got the anticipated response from the lemmings on here.

Well you know what, you are being used. You didnt invite the Unions to support the Bikoi, you've given it to them. Now its their platform to bash the government, and the bikers are there to "prove" the point.

This is how unions operate.

I personally hate the increase. I note that the cost of being snapped unregistered is $200 and the probablility of getting caught is what - once every 2-3 years. I can do that math, and i think a civil disobedience campaign is far more likely to be effective than letting the CTU and the Service Workers union pretend to be friends to motorcyclists.

Don't believe me? Then ask yourself why they have suddenly decided that this is a major cause.

Turning to ACC itself. It is a weird institution. A no fault accident scheme that the previous government tried to turn into part of the welfare entitlement system by offering "compensation" for things that weren't accidents.

Surprise surprise it is unaffordable. SO the choice is clear. Whack the users hard - and bikers are small in number and very visible in the stats - even if the majority of the accidents are inflicted on us by cages. OR

We could go back to funding accidents only.

OR

We could have compulsory insurance.

Well I have 4 bikes and 3 cars. Personally I would like to pay one bloody insurance premium for me based on my risk, rather than 7 times for the privilege.

Any of you may have a different view.

Assuming you can be bothered reading down this far, without telling me to fuck myself again, then let me tell you what I think.

The levy increase stinks

Its because ACC is a convenient piggybank and SUCCESSIVE governments have dicked with it in secret.

It needs daylight and transparency.

It does not need bloody unions manipulating bikers to bash the government.

If you want a Biker protest, fine. I will be there.

You want a CTU anti-government save ACC rally, well save that for Nurenberg. As I said, you've been PWNED by the unions who have taken over our issue.

But you know, why not tear up the lawn and sing the red fucking flag and show what heroes you are.

[invisiblehand1]

and I'll tell you something else for free.

I respect the effort you are putting in.

I share your hatred of this new tax.

But why is the solution to "save ACC"?

How did the protest at unjust fee hikes become a campaign to save the cause of the unjust fee hikes?

Its because ACC is a fucking shambles that we are being hammered. So whats to save.

Fix it or can it, but save it? why?

Is that the message you are trying to send to Wellington.

"keep up the bloated monster but don't make me pay my share for it" Yeah catchy, real convincing.

How about, "Cut ACC back to size by making it about accidents".

Or "Keep ACC fair" by levying bikers/drivers once only, and "fund it in public" - so we can see that the bureacrats are doing a good job with our money, and not compensating nutters for recovered emotional harm syndrome, or whatever crap is fashionable this week.

[caseye]

and I'll tell you something else for free.

I respect the effort you are putting in.

I share your hatred of this new tax.

But why is the solution to "save ACC"?

How did the protest at unjust fee hikes become a campaign to save the cause of the unjust fee hikes?

Its because ACC is a fucking shambles that we are being hammered. So whats to save.

Fix it or can it, but save it? why?

Is that the message you are trying to send to Wellington.

"keep up the bloated monster but don't make me pay my share for it" Yeah catchy, real convincing.

How about, "Cut ACC back to size by making it about accidents".

Or "Keep ACC fair" by levying bikers/drivers once only, and "fund it in public" - so we can see that the bureacrats are doing a good job with our money, and not compensating nutters for recovered emotional harm syndrome, or whatever crap is fashionable this week.

You make a lot of sense.
I can't and won't argue with most of your points.
Though if we can "Save ACC" as it was it would become the thing it was designed to be once again and it would deliver what it should to those it should and only those.
Unions and others who have undoubtedly taken over this particular protest are footing some pretty imnpressive bills for advertising and while you could be right about them simply buddying up to us to get their message across, you should also consider that this has become a general call to the public of NZ to come to Parliament on Tuesday teh 16th of February and voice their disapproval and that the basic message is the same as our was the first time."Who's Next?"
Apart from that, I'll probably miss you at the protest, not the second Bikhoi, lets get that clear.

[centaurus]

and I'll tell you something else for free.

I respect the effort you are putting in.

I share your hatred of this new tax.

But why is the solution to "save ACC"?

How did the protest at unjust fee hikes become a campaign to save the cause of the unjust fee hikes?

Its because ACC is a fucking shambles that we are being hammered. So whats to save.

Fix it or can it, but save it? why?

Is that the message you are trying to send to Wellington.

"keep up the bloated monster but don't make me pay my share for it" Yeah catchy, real convincing.

How about, "Cut ACC back to size by making it about accidents".

Or "Keep ACC fair" by levying bikers/drivers once only, and "fund it in public" - so we can see that the bureacrats are doing a good job with our money, and not compensating nutters for recovered emotional harm syndrome, or whatever crap is fashionable this week.

All right!!! Finally, they have achieved their target. It looks like the professor from chch who spoke at the bikeoi was right. The people are like trout. Not only they can't see behind too far, but they can't see ahead too far either.

Why do you think they started hiking the ACC levies and reducing the entitlements? They can't kill ACC or fully privatise it legaly. They need the population on their side in order to do that. Now, they know that asking us nicely to piss on the ACC won't work but they are smart. What they did was screw the ACC so badly that only hearing of ACC every kiwi will want to run. Once ACC is seen as the black sheep of the country, getting rid of it would be seen as a good deed and the only way of getting rid of it is to sell it off or just can it and allow private insurance companies to take over.

If left to their own devices, they will keep twisting the screw until we we will start asking them to kill ACC or at least privatise. At the moment, they not only have achieved their purpose, but they have also made it look like it was our decision and they only listened to what the people asked for.

And as I was saying in the begining of this post, they are very close. I hear more and more people saying: "Fuck ACC! They're killing us with the ACC. It would be better if it was just an insurance company instead of ACC. It would be cheaper"

[riffer]

Gott agree with you there Centaurus. There has been a long campaign to destablise the ACC system. From my discussions with the Unions and Physiotherapists Associations (I'm one of the organisers of this rally) I would have to say that we are pretty much unanimous that we want to save ACC as the original system that Owen Woodhouse devised. I don't personally believe that any of the groups (apart from maybe some of the members and there's ratbags in every crowd) want to see ACC as the bloated form of compensation it's been partly turned into in order to turn the public away from it.

Did you notice the "news" in the weekend about too many injuries from Dancing? And skateboarding? This is all looking VERY shortsighted. People like caseye think that they will be better off under a privatised scheme but TBH they're thinking selfishly. The original ACC system was designed so that everybody got a fair suck of the saveloy. Changing it to private will cause amazing discrepancies in the system and some people WILL be worse off - and that's going to transfer through to the Health system after only half a generation. So in order to realise a short-term gain we're going to subject our society to massive health problems. Not only that, we will totally change our society and destroy that adventurousness that Kiwis are famous for.

Do you remember at the start of this campaign when we were all worried about the increase in levies to motorcyclists and Ixion warned us that this was only the beginning? They want to change our society completely. And I don't want that.

And THAT's why I'm going to be there on February 16.

And THAT's what I'm going to say to every person assembled there (yes I will be speaking now).

to repeat : I am NOT a Unionist. I'm not even a lefty. I am a New Zealander. And a biker. And they want to change my lifestyle. And I'm not happy. And I'm not a trout. I will bite back.

[StoneY]

and I'll tell you something else for free.

I respect the effort you are putting in.

I share your hatred of this new tax.

But why is the solution to "save ACC"?

How did the protest at unjust fee hikes become a campaign to save the cause of the unjust fee hikes?

Its because ACC is a fucking shambles that we are being hammered. So whats to save.

Fix it or can it, but save it? why?

Is that the message you are trying to send to Wellington.

"keep up the bloated monster but don't make me pay my share for it" Yeah catchy, real convincing.

How about, "Cut ACC back to size by making it about accidents".

Or "Keep ACC fair" by levying bikers/drivers once only, and "fund it in public" - so we can see that the bureacrats are doing a good job with our money, and not compensating nutters for recovered emotional harm syndrome, or whatever crap is fashionable this week.


Joined 12 days ago, 15 posts......

Dude where the hell were you when 10,000 of us were at Parliament chanting BULLSHIT!
I smell a rat here.......

You obviously have never read 'Blood on the Coal" there is a pdf of the booklet available online, go call Hazel Armstrong a pinko, she will sue ya ass off

Top of the pile lawyers and academics refute every word of your ill informed posting as quoted, Professor Charles Lamb of Lincoln University, another senior prof at Vic (I forget that mans name but hes on our side 100%)

John Judge was appointed by John Key one week into the new government, where do those two come from? Insurance companies.

ACC was NEVER an insurance company and cant be run like one, there is where it has all gone wrong to start with, it was Jim Bolger that first tried selling it off and its been fucked since

Return it to the woodhouse principles, and they were NEVER soley about accidents

Its been the Accident Prevention, Compensation, and Rehabilitaion Act since its creation, and has never been soley about 'accidents' you national mole.
You chose a hostile audience for your ill informed rant, if you want private insurance go ahead the ACC act does not PREVENT you from choosing to do so and many clauses in the workplace levy system allow you to get a discount for having done such

Where ACC is being ripped off is pricks like John Judge being in charge for a start, he gave himself a 40% payhike, placing him on a par to the bloody Prime Minister in the 1st week he was boss, in a time where every OTHER govt dept had been told 'PAY FREEZE' and every hard working Public Servants are being refused 'cost of living' pay incerases of 2%

You wanna make ACC work better, police it better, get the wankers who landscape thier lawns while on ACC off the take, get the 50+ salaries over 200k out of the offices (they are PUBLIC servants, not CEO's of private firms!) and stop throwing money at private consultant firms for repeatedly re-working reports to suit Nyx Myth

Where di JK come from dude, Merril Lynch and what do they do? Sell insurance (or more accurately buy up small insurers and tear em apart for profits)

You are the lemming you idiot, you cant see the truth for your own inflamatory bullshit
Im no pinko or communist (I leave that to smarter folk) I just wanna see our ACC still there for our kids

Do you think for one second you will ever get the right to sue back?
Do you think its fair that a covenant between the government and our people should be sold off to profit the National party and ACT's investment portfolio's?

Get agrip, and before you start accusing hard working everyday Kiwi's of political leftism, make sure your levies are paid because YOU too are about to suffer a forced pay cut with no consultation or need to

1.7 BILLION excess of operational requirement...

IT'S NOT FUCKIN BROKE!!!

[MSTRS]

"...It would be better if it was just an insurance company instead of ACC. It would be cheaper"

Right.
Exactly how NZ was sold on the idea of introducing ACC in 1974.
But 45 years later, private insurance is cheaper?

[MSTRS]

Time for a show of hands?
Who wants to pay more, for less?
No-one, huh? Typical.

[centaurus]

Right.
Exactly how NZ was sold on the idea of introducing ACC in 1974.
But 45 years later, private insurance is cheaper?

If we let them f*ck with ACC and keep increasing the levies, they will make sure the levies will be higher than for a normal insurance, to force the people in requesting them to can ACC. That's my point: ACC is a better option, but if we let the f*uck with it they will make it more expensive for us, just so they can justify killing it.

[StoneY]

Time for a show of hands?
Who wants to pay more, for less?
No-one, huh? Typical.

You have been promoted to officiall slogan meister of the campaign MSTRS!!!!!

Nicely written man, real nice, thank you

You compressed every line I ever wrote here into one simple statement.....amazing!

[StoneY]

If we let them f*ck with ACC and keep increasing the levies, they will make sure the levies will be higher than for a normal insurance, to force the people in requesting them to can ACC. That's my point: ACC is a better option, but if we let the f*uck with it they will make it more expensive for us, just so they can justify killing it.

ANd thats a great clarification too

TOO MANY PEOPLE are speed reading and misquoting allies here
Centaurus and Casseye both been misquoted/misinterpereted here and BOTH have been staunch allies and workers on this campaign form day one

THANK YOU to every positive contributor
Thank YOU to all who will be marshals on the day

THANKS KB for allowing us to vent/plan/rant/ scheme/dribble on this forum, and THANKS for the UNIONS for the money and time and efforts they have made on YOUR KIDS behalf in regards the current protest and ongoing campaign

[sunhuntin]

i find that a post loses all credibility when the author puts a "word" like pwned at the bottom.

[StoneY]

i find that a post loses all credibility when the author puts a "word" like pwned at the bottom.

Well, its sorta modern vernacular sine online gaming took off globally, and sometimes (just sometimes) result of lazy typing, P is next to O not a hard typo to do...its how the term became 'cool'

:p

[riffer]

ANd thats a great clarification too

TOO MANY PEOPLE are speed reading and misquoting allies here
Centaurus and Casseye both been misquoted/misinterpereted here and BOTH have been staunch allies and workers on this campaign form day one

THANK YOU to every positive contributor
Thank YOU to all who will be marshals on the day

THANKS KB for allowing us to vent/plan/rant/ scheme/dribble on this forum, and THANKS for the UNIONS for the money and time and efforts they have made on YOUR KIDS behalf in regards the current protest and ongoing campaign


You could be right there Brent. I was reading the threads while eating toast and having coffee (late start) and got a bit wound up. Not difficult. I'm just a tad passionate about this subject.

[oldrider]

If we let them f*ck with ACC and keep increasing the levies, they will make sure the levies will be higher than for a normal insurance, to force the people in requesting them to can ACC. That's my point: ACC is a better option, but if we let the f*uck with it they will make it more expensive for us, just so they can justify killing it.

True!

There has been some good stuff written on this thread and if you pick through it without wearing biased shades you can really get to the nub of the situation we find ourselves in.

Absolute Woodhouse ACC or nothing is the best, quickest and easiest achievable solution to the current (orchestrated) dilemma of ACC and the levy hikes!

In my honest opinion the return to the Woodhouse model of ACC is currently the most suitable for New Zealand.

While marching side by side with the Unions is not my preference, the destination is the same, once that objective has been reached, I will go my own way and they can go theirs!

If we simply stand our ground on our differences and do nothing the opposition (whatever MMP government combination is in power) will trample over all of us forever.

I support the work that StoneY is doing and will attend any rally that I am able to and I will worry about the consequences of agendas once the ACC battle has been won!

Good luck StoneY at least, in spirit I am with you, at best, I will be there on the day. Thank you.

[StoneY]

You could be right there Brent. I was reading the threads while eating toast and having coffee (late start) and got a bit wound up. Not difficult. I'm just a tad passionate about this subject.

As we all are my man.

OK MARSHALLS


on the day anyone willing, able and capable, be there at parliament between 9-30 and 10 am to be vested up, and you WILL be given duties

BIKERS are simply monitoring the Parking at Molesworth, and protecting Cenotaph Paving (untill there is no room left sssshhhhhh)

We also watch the gates, NO vehicles past the gates at all, only foot traffic

Its THAT simple, in fact so simple I cant even see a need for Radio's this time....a decent briefing and a few key people from last round who know the score should suffice

I have some big fellah's allready in the Marshal squads, they were last time too so know the score and process

Foxzee has volunteered (or I volunteered her I think LOL) to be Police Liaison on the day
We have an official photographer (Ratti)
We have a Journo lined up if Jims recovered enough...let hope

PA sorted, barriers will be managed by Parliament security, Cops will monitor whatever they monitor, Council yet to confirm parking (but sure they will....)

Cant think of anything else....done all I can....lets show up on the day and make it happen again

SEE YA ALL THERE!

And Thanks for the support Old's mate, you rock bruv;)

[sunhuntin]

if parking on the cenotaph is a possibility, would there be a way to restrict it to modern bikes? i remember last year, not on the bikoi, but some other protest, someone leaked oil all over it which basically put a black mark against the whole event.

[Fatt Max]

You could be right there Brent. I was reading the threads while eating toast and having coffee (late start) and got a bit wound up. Not difficult. I'm just a tad passionate about this subject.

Fuking bang on mate, the more I get clued up, the more pasionate I get about the whole thing myself.

I CANNOT WAIT to get down there on the 16th and support you guys, you are fecking legends for fighting this fight. Fizzing like fuck me....

'1000's with one voice", let 'em fucking have it guys......

[StoneY]

if parking on the cenotaph is a possibility, would there be a way to restrict it to modern bikes? i remember last year, not on the bikoi, but some other protest, someone leaked oil all over it which basically put a black mark against the whole event.


During the Ulysses rally of 31st Oct, many (including me nad the 10 who rode in with me) parked on the paving there, and some had leaks.
I saw one guy actually fixing his bike and the fix spilled some fluids, carburettor gas and some white mikly crap...wont name n shame but he was a KBer

I personally hit every spot there with a can of Brakekleen (Thanks StoneY for cleaning it up for us...sure Ulysses no prob) :p heheheh (stir it up lmfao)
Rain has done the rest since but yes as a result...its a 'no go zone'

BUT...as its a public 'park' and a official speakers corner under local bylaw (means you can soapbox there any given time) no one can actually STOP you being there there legally......
If we run out of room, I can see it opening up...BUT thats over 900 bikes before it needs happen...I counted last time.

[StoneY]

OK MARSHALLS


on the day anyone willing, able and capable, be there at parliament between 9-30 and 10 am to be vested up, and you WILL be given duties

BIKERS are simply monitoring the Parking at Molesworth, and protecting Cenotaph Paving (untill there is no room left sssshhhhhh)

We also watch the gates, NO vehicles past the gates at all, only foot traffic

Its THAT simple, in fact so simple I cant even see a need for Radio's this time....a decent briefing and a few key people from last round who know the score should suffice

I have some big fellah's allready in the Marshal squads, they were last time too so know the score and process

Foxzee has volunteered (or I volunteered her I think LOL) to be Police Liaison on the day
We have an official photographer (Ratti)
We have a Journo lined up if Jims recovered enough...let hope

PA sorted, barriers will be managed by Parliament security, Cops will monitor whatever they monitor, Council yet to confirm parking (but sure they will....)

Cant think of anything else....done all I can....lets show up on the day and make it happen again

SEE YA ALL THERE!

And Thanks for the support Old's mate, you rock bruv;)

Shameless bump for Marshals

[Ms Piggy]

Shameless bump for Marshals

Bumpity, bump, bump! :)

[Ratti]

er...how the fek did I get to be official photog???? Am trying to round up a mate who is into it for you StoneY. Will getback to you today hopefully. Will do the deed if he can't,but I thought my main contribution was fetching FattMax. and from what I hear that is a BIG contribution..lol

ps. have heard back from my mate and he cant do it,but knows someone who is a professional at photographing big events and will do the deed. He needs to find his phone number and then pass it on to me, who will then pass the information on to you....

[mashman]

If i'm wrong, i'm more than happy to listen to those reasons why...



But why is the solution to "save ACC"?


Because it's the only thing that makes sense. A country ticks over because of its people and a welfare/health care system that looks after every member of the country is what's required to keep the country ticking over. No healthy workers, no country!



How did the protest at unjust fee hikes become a campaign to save the cause of the unjust fee hikes?


If they can prove to me that the hikes are just, then i'll happily pay! They haven't. Nowhere near it in fact! Even their own statisticians question the validity of data that the recommendations have been based on.



Its because ACC is a fucking shambles that we are being hammered. So whats to save.

Fix it or can it, but save it? why?


Because there are too many people, comfortable with THEIR lives, comfortable with THEIR standards of living, comfortable in the knowledge that THEIR government is doing the best for them... And as you obviously won't do anything about it, my blood is boiling in the knowledge that there are people who want to do something about it... those who care more about what the $$$ can do rather than what the $$$ represents. Take off those rose tinted specs man!



Is that the message you are trying to send to Wellington.


My message to the government is "JUST DO YOUR FUCKING JOBS AND STOP SCREWING PEOPLE OVER"... but as i'm a betting man, i'm going to bet that the government don't give a shit, because you're just a voter and over the years they have come to the conclusion that they are lords and master of this country and that is thanks to narrow minded peopel such as yourself... you don't really give a shit just as long as YOU ARE ALRIGHT!



"keep up the bloated monster but don't make me pay my share for it" Yeah catchy, real convincing.


How about, let's see if we can use some of the 1.7 billion of "profits" from this year to see if we can make the system better... Ahhhh, because then you'd HAVE TO WORK FOR A FUCKIN LIVING... Seriously man, is it you or your 8 year old that's asking these questions/making these statements? You do know that they're mulling over, or are in the process of replacing the software at ACC with an insurance software package (could cost 100 mill), something that could be written (yes i write software and i doubt very much that this is the monster it's made out to be) specifically for the task it's required to undertake for about 1/10 of the cost!!! That other 90 mill, hmmmm, how many more nurses/doctors/people will that keep for the next 10 years... Put the fucker on a diet if it's bloated... Starting with those insane salaries.



How about, "Cut ACC back to size by making it about accidents".


ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa, that's a good one. How about a free chainsaw with every box of Weetbix... that way if it's not an accident at least you can cut it off for free!!!!!!! How about, looking at the current business process and seeing where it's going so wrong that all it can generate is 1.7 billion "profit" each year... Hell, could potentially reinvest some of that into improvements... sorry, I now that that's too much common sense and i'm just being silly.



Or "Keep ACC fair" by levying bikers/drivers once only, and "fund it in public" - so we can see that the bureacrats are doing a good job with our money, and not compensating nutters for recovered emotional harm syndrome, or whatever crap is fashionable this week.

So very narrow minded. ACC is BROKEN, not BROKE!!!! I can't prove it, because they won't let me in, but with profit being made every year and 11 billion in assests... PULEASE...

How many people are on the ACC board? I'll take one spot as i want to know and will do a better job!

As for being Union pawns... holy shit, if that's your only reason for not getting involved then you better not have your kids at school, them teachers are unionists ya know, oh and don't go to the hospital (it's full of unionists), public transport oooooo union members... shit, you better be real careful...

What makes you think that ACC won't work?

[centaurus]

This Friday is the Wellington "Motorcycle and scooter ride to work day", organised by MTA and supported by pretty mucy all the bike shops in Wellington.

The flier says there will be speeches too. Does anybody know if the 16th demonstration is to be mentioned or if at least the ACC issue is on the topics list? Would be a big shame to waste such a good opportunity in informing the Wellington riders about the event on the 16th.

[riffer]

Matt, Im just gutted you're going home later that day. I would have loved to have a jam session with you afterwards...



Fuking bang on mate, the more I get clued up, the more pasionate I get about the whole thing myself.

I CANNOT WAIT to get down there on the 16th and support you guys, you are fecking legends for fighting this fight. Fizzing like fuck me....

'1000's with one voice", let 'em fucking have it guys......

[StoneY]

er...how the fek did I get to be official photog???? Am trying to round up a mate who is into it for you StoneY. Will getback to you today hopefully. Will do the deed if he can't,but I thought my main contribution was fetching FattMax. and from what I hear that is a BIG contribution..lol

ps. have heard back from my mate and he cant do it,but knows someone who is a professional at photographing big events and will do the deed. He needs to find his phone number and then pass it on to me, who will then pass the information on to you....
OOps maybe wrong KBer
One of the facebook links...sorry Ratti
Your awesome for picking up our Max!

Too many irons in the fire, losing what little plot I had to follow LOL

:eek5:

[caseye]

See you all there on the day.
It's going to be a great day and the Nats are once more going to see that they've got it WRONG!

[Kinje]

Do you all realize that one of the changes being written in is that you will HAVE to use up all your sick pay and annual leave when your injured before ACC entitlement will even kick in?

I just had a thought about this. Does this essentially pass the cost of the accident onto the victim's employer? Without ACC cover, the employer would need to pay the victim their annual and sick leave entitlements and cover the cost of any replacement labour they need to maintain their workload. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Not to mention I'd be f**ked off at having to use up my annual leave in pain recovering from an accident rather than spending that time enjoying the thrills of motorcycling, windsurfing and skiing

[StoneY]

I just had a thought about this. Does this essentially pass the cost of the accident onto the victim's employer? Without ACC cover, the employer would need to pay the victim their annual and sick leave entitlements and cover the cost of any replacement labour they need to maintain their workload. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Not to mention I'd be f**ked off at having to use up my annual leave in pain recovering from an accident rather than spending that time enjoying the thrills of motorcycling, windsurfing and skiing

Unsure on the passing onto employer side, as the leave is YOURS not his, but yeah, replacement labour/skilled worker etc is one I hadnt thought of...well spotted

But yep having to waste 'holiday' pay for recovery time is sickening
Its for your RnR to get out and forget work and recharge NOT for painful days of healing

Its one of the changes GOING through. Thansk John and Nick you wankers might have the income to live on but a REAL worker....will suffer under this regime. BIG time

[P38]

BUT...as its a public 'park' and a official speakers corner under local bylaw (means you can soapbox there any given time) no one can actually STOP you being there there legally......
If we run out of room, I can see it opening up...BUT thats over 900 bikes before it needs happen...I counted last time.

Those 900 spots are gonna fill faster than a fast thing on its fastest day.

I'm kinda hoping your gonna need to park 9000 bikes.... :yes:

Note to self ... Get there early or you may be forced to find an alternative parking spot :msn-wink: :whistle: :apint:

p.s. Any chance of reserving us 10 parking spots? ............... lol ............. just kidding.

[DEVVIL]

I just had a thought about this. Does this essentially pass the cost of the accident onto the victim's employer? Without ACC cover, the employer would need to pay the victim their annual and sick leave entitlements and cover the cost of any replacement labour they need to maintain their workload. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Not to mention I'd be f**ked off at having to use up my annual leave in pain recovering from an accident rather than spending that time enjoying the thrills of motorcycling, windsurfing and skiing

So if my (broken ass) workmate uses up all sick and A/L they lose nothing. But a parent saving up some sick pay and A/L to look after the kids when they get sick(Mums and Dads) lose all if they need weeks off on ACC. Hmmm I have 26 sick days!!!(over five weeks) and don't intend using them but F###ACC your
not getting my sick days or A/L.:oi-grr:

[StoneY]

:woohoo::woohoo:
Those 900 spots are gonna fill faster than a fast thing on its fastest day.

I'm kinda hoping your gonna need to park 9000 bikes.... :yes:

.


Bruv, im hoping for 500 bikes its all we need many will have ridden to wok anyway and can walk down with bike jacket on.....
Its not a huge national convoy of thousands this time.

Saving THAT event for next November when we do BIKEOI 2 for real LOL

[P38]

:woohoo::woohoo:


Bruv, im hoping for 500 bikes its all we need many will have ridden to wok anyway and can walk down with bike jacket on.....
Its not a huge national convoy of thousands this time.

Saving THAT event for next November when we do BIKEOI 2 for real LOL

I hear what your saying.... still think your gonna get some good support from lots of bikers on the day, there at least 10 coming from Hawkes Bay that I know of ..... See you there.

[StoneY]

We have just heard that the Maori party will MARCH WITH US in support

This is a huge gain, as they are nationals Support Supply partner in the current Government
Sends a very harsh message to JK and Nix Myth

Only downside its Hone that they have given us as a speaker......
Even with the mantra of the enemy of my enemy etc, unsure I wanna have this racists mofo anywhere near my our protest, but wtf if it means the Maori party show on OUR side.....catch 22 sigh

[oldrider]

At least Hone's agenda is right out there in the open for "all" to see, what you see is what you get!

[Ratti]

Hi Ya sweets, any word on whether we have Molesworth coned off for our use? or have i missed that post. sorry if I have, been one of those days. Be seeing you tonight anyway, but parking came up at Ulysses meet this week so would be nice to let them know.

[Leviticus]

At least Hone's agenda is right out there in the open for "all" to see, what you see is what you get!

But how good is the image of Hone riding a bike with no lid on, surely that's gonna work against us

[StoneY]

Hi Ya sweets, any word on whether we have Molesworth coned off for our use? or have i missed that post. sorry if I have, been one of those days. Be seeing you tonight anyway, but parking came up at Ulysses meet this week so would be nice to let them know.

Yeah council have agreed to save the parks in Molesworth as well as some in ballantrae place
There are a couple of carparks in a church just round the corner too been suggested we ask them for 'overflow permissions'
Sorry team lying in bed with migraine, will post up all updates tomorrow

[riffer]

But how good is the image of Hone riding a bike with no lid on, surely that's gonna work against us


Personally I think Hone's a bit cleverer than we all take him for. I think due to his mana (and yes he does have a lot in Maoridom) he is able to almost stand a bit aside from the Maori Party at times, and he gives them the opportunity to say some stuff that the Maori Party, due to their confidence and supply agreement, wouldn't otherwise be able to do. He's running a very fine line in parliament, and his job is to push the boundaries for Maori as much as possible. True, he's going to step on a few toes and upset a few people sometimes doing that but he has the ability to test the waters and see what the public will actually handle. Just a thought...

[MSTRS]

I hope this is printed in the DomPost. I just sent it off.
HBToday printed it today...

Dear sir

Last year I wrote a series of letters re ACC levy rises, particularly as they pertained to motorcycles. Included in those letters were warnings of proposed levy rises for other vehicles and on wages etc. Since then, such rises have been announced, with barely a whimper heard in response. There were also warnings of other, unpalatable measures being planned. I wonder if there will be a whimper when these come to pass?

Already we are seeing cases where people in their 50s, who are injured at work, are being turned down for cover because their 'condition is age-related' according to ACC. How long before this extends to people in their 40s?

Still to come...

Increased up-front charge at the Doctors.

Cuts to our entitlements. 80% wage compensation will drop to 70%. And then only for 12 months. After that, it will drop to 60%. And after 2 years, it will cease altogether. Unless YOU pay a specialist to re-assess your condition and eligibility for continued cover.

And you will have to use any sick leave and holiday leave you have accrued, before ACC compensation kicks in.

But because you are still ‘covered’, you still have no right to sue to recover the shortfall should someone else have caused your injuries.

The continued interference by successive governments with ACC is destroying this unique-in-the-world scheme. The current round of meddling is simply speeding up it’s demise. Soon we will be told that we’ll be better off if ACC gets privatised. Right! Privatising electricity made it cheaper. Didn’t it?

So – who is happy to pay more and get less for it? In the words of Rhys Darby, "No-one, huh? Typical."

But it’s not too late. Yet. The only viable option is to return ACC to it’s original (Woodhouse) principles. That is what all Nzers should be calling for. And there might just be a few at Parliament around lunchtime on Tuesday 16th doing just that. The invite is open to all.

[mashman]

superb !

[caseye]

Hone is no simple minded racist Stoney me ol mate, he can and does get along with many people from many places.I'd shake his hand THEN I'D COUNT ME FINGERS.

If he does actually represent the Maori party in marching with the Unions and us against the National Govt's attempt to destroy and then sell off selected bits of ACC without losing all of the bits and bobs it takes off us all.Then mate I'm in because that is a very Big Step for the Maori Party to take.

They are telling us by their official presence that they no longer support the National Govt's agenda on this issue.

They have to have done a rethink on this issue and they are fronting up with the Gov'ts opposition at Parliament.
Huge is what this is!

More MUST BE MADE OF IT.

I know someone who knows someone I'll make as many calls as I can come on KB'ers tell the whole bloody Country the Govts confidence and supply partner has just pulled the plug officially on this issue.

[Drogen Omen]

whats up with all the bikes in Welly today? rode last about 50 or 60 bikers heading to welly this arvo...

something happening in welly that we don't know about...?

btw i'll be there for the protest rally...

[Conquiztador]

So now we are in bed with Labour, Unions, Maori Party + Hone. Sadly this will make many bikers distance them self from it all. (And if Hone comes close to me while I am there I will tell him to fuck off)

I am but a lone voice in this all but I think this all has gone a step further than many bikers were prepared to be part of, and it was something I tried to say a few months ago; The only thing bikers fully agreed on was that the proposed ACC hikes were just not on. Then anything else/more was a totally different issue. Riding a bike has nothing to do with ones political conviction. You could argue that taking ACC back to how it was supposed to be has also nothing to do with ones political views. But by involving all these others it has become very political.

Not that anyone cares, but when I ask my self if I am OK with all this, my honest reply is: I am uncomfortable re who we are aligning us (us=bikers) with. Do I support a win at any cost? No.

[riffer]

That's exactly what the government is hoping for. That there will be no consensus amongst disagreeable folk. That way they can do their will. Remember, all that evil requires to triumph is for good men and women to stand aside and do nothing.

I totally understand your reticence. Believe me, I had to do some real soul-searching before aligning myself with people I'd always had a healthy wariness of. But at the end of the day, I firmly believe the issue is more important than the participants.

Of course it's political. We're dealing with politicians. How else did you expect this to turn out?

[riffer]

Don't forget also that we are starting to plan Bikeoi II.

You may wish to help more with that, if you feel you can't play with other people.

[gazmascelle]

So now we are in bed with Labour, Unions, Maori Party + Hone. Sadly this will make many bikers distance them self from it all. (And if Hone comes close to me while I am there I will tell him to fuck off)

I am but a lone voice in this all but I think this all has gone a step further than many bikers were prepared to be part of, and it was something I tried to say a few months ago; The only thing bikers fully agreed on was that the proposed ACC hikes were just not on. Then anything else/more was a totally different issue. Riding a bike has nothing to do with ones political conviction. You could argue that taking ACC back to how it was supposed to be has also nothing to do with ones political views. But by involving all these others it has become very political.

Not that anyone cares, but when I ask my self if I am OK with all this, my honest reply is: I am uncomfortable re who we are aligning us (us=bikers) with. Do I support a win at any cost? No.

So you wanna protest against something that will effect all new zealanders, but you don't want to protest along side certain people?

we can take part in something like this with maori/labour/bill and ben/etc etc involved, it doesn't mean we're holding their hand (or in bed with them lol), it just means we're putting aside our differences for two hours to make a point to the government that we're all not interested in paying more for SFA

Just my humble opinion..

[Conquiztador]

So you wanna protest against something that will effect all new zealanders, but you don't want to protest along side certain people?

we can take part in something like this with maori/labour/bill and ben/etc etc involved, it doesn't mean we're holding their hand (or in bed with them lol), it just means we're putting aside our differences for two hours to make a point to the government that we're all not interested in paying more for SFA

Just my humble opinion..

Thanks, respect your opinion.

I have already protested. Twice. Against the proposed increase in ACC levies. That was what I protested against. Nothing else. Said that, I agree with what ACC was supposed to be in the beginning, and are not happy that something that, in my opinion, is, in the contex, probably one of the best accident compensation plans in the world, is stripped and demoted to something that is far away from the initial principle.

The fact is that bikers are not, and never will be, a politically united group. It can not happen as "we" in midst of us have extreme right wing, blood red leftists and everything else in-between. And that is what is so unique re us. The only things uniting us are the interest and riding of our bikes. It breaks down the barriers that otherwise would make it impossible to sit at the same table laughing at something together.

In this we are now moving away from that. Now "we" (the bikers) are considered supporters of the leftist view. There are those of "us" who have that view, that are Communists and Labour supporters. And I am totally OK with that. But there is an equal amount that are not. I therefore predict that as a result you will not get the same support for any Bikeoi II.

Will it matter? Not sure. But consider this:
The ones who are now "supporting" us are not, and never were, National voters. National will not worry about a protest by unions and left wing radicals. There are no votes to loose there. But bike riders were different. By making us peed off there was an estimate that 50% of the ones who label them selves as bikers were right voters. And if National did not do the right thing they could loose them come next election. You could therefore conclude that the bikers who support this are also already Labour voters. And therefore not important to National.

Who knows. Just not sure that where this is going is where I was prepared to go.

[gazmascelle]

I'm an ex-national voter lol. I don't know wether or not national care much about my opinion, but i do know that they will care even less if I stay at home :sleep:

[oldrider]

I hope this is printed in the DomPost. I just sent it off.
HBToday printed it today...

Well done, how do you eat an elephant----one bight at a time!

You had one error of fact that you quoted but it didn't detract from the intended message so no worries!

Good on you keep it up. :niceone:

[caseye]

Con, I've voted for bloody National a few times, the greens never. Labour , oh once I can remember.I'm not voting National ever again OR until this ACC business is put right. By right I mean put back up on the pedestal it should be on and left alone by all Political parties for ever, ad infinimum.
I don't like Hone and i've come to think that Pita Sharples is being lead by the nose and I'm disappointed about that, but neither man is stupid and if they have truely jeopardised the Maori Party national party confidence and supply agreement to participate in this ACC Protest rally. Then I can and will march alongside them next week.
My enemys enemy is my friend if it helps get rid of the enemy.
As for bikers being so dverse they can't agree on somethin", ah excuse me, what did we (Bikers from all walks of life, from every racial, ethnic, cultural and or gang relationship) do Last November?
We got together! Ahmen and we told the Nat's "BULLSHIT" thats what we did.
The issue proved big enough to overcome every divide there had ever been and to put white collar and gang members together in the same place side by side with every other type of bike rider there has ever been.
Whats changed?
It's still an ACC Protest and now we have the ones who didn't see it coming walking alongside us and adding thier voice.
Can't be a bad thing, can it?
More voices and more people of whatever political or otherwise background has to make the Nats go, Oh dear whats going on?
They can't afford to have an official Maori Party presence at this protest it'll make em look STUPID.
Well stupider then they were when they thought we'd roll over and pay up!
Go on man take a big breath, step up and come again!We need all the help we can get.
Bottom line, Numbers are all politicians ever take notice of.

[oldrider]

Thanks, respect your opinion.

I have already protested. Twice. Against the proposed increase in ACC levies. That was what I protested against. Nothing else. Said that, I agree with what ACC was supposed to be in the beginning, and are not happy that something that, in my opinion, is, in the contex, probably one of the best accident compensation plans in the world, is stripped and demoted to something that is far away from the initial principle.

The fact is that bikers are not, and never will be, a politically united group. It can not happen as "we" in midst of us have extreme right wing, blood red leftists and everything else in-between. And that is what is so unique re us. The only things uniting us are the interest and riding of our bikes. It breaks down the barriers that otherwise would make it impossible to sit at the same table laughing at something together.

In this we are now moving away from that. Now "we" (the bikers) are considered supporters of the leftist view. There are those of "us" who have that view, that are Communists and Labour supporters. And I am totally OK with that. But there is an equal amount that are not. I therefore predict that as a result you will not get the same support for any Bikeoi II.

Will it matter? Not sure. But consider this:
The ones who are now "supporting" us are not, and never were, National voters. National will not worry about a protest by unions and left wing radicals. There are no votes to loose there. But bike riders were different. By making us peed off there was an estimate that 50% of the ones who label them selves as bikers were right voters. And if National did not do the right thing they could loose them come next election. You could therefore conclude that the bikers who support this are also already Labour voters. And therefore not important to National.

Who knows. Just not sure that where this is going is where I was prepared to go.

Fair enough!

In the beginning I was bothered by almost exactly the same issues!

I went back and read through all the Owen Woodhouse material that I could find and reconsidered the value of the alternatives!

I have come to the conclusion that the best situation for New Zealand is the original Woodhouse concept and spirit of ACC!

Having thought about all that, I feel I can march alongside anybody, blue black orange red you name them and I will march alongside them to win this war!

When all this is put to rest I may turn around and begin a new round of "talks" with those that I disagree with about the things we "disagree" on!

I believe in freedom of speech, thought, association and expression and I have no trouble associating myself with people voicing their dissatisfaction against current ACC directions.

I would march to war shoulder to shoulder with these people to defend the country from an invader or oppressor and I see no difference in this issue, it's that serious! (IMHO)

[Conquiztador]

They can't afford to have an official Maori Party presence at this protest it'll make em look STUPID.
Well stupider then they were when they thought we'd roll over and pay up!
Go on man take a big breath, step up and come again!We need all the help we can get.
Bottom line, Numbers are all politicians ever take notice of.

Thanks. I had already made up my mind: I will be there. In November I was 100% sure I knew what I was doing. It was simple: No to ACC fee hikes! Now the landscape has changed. I am still against any ACC hikes. They are NOT needed. And the initial ACC principles are what I would like in place! Just don't feel so 100% sure that aligning "us" with the ones we do so with is the best option... But as I am known to say: "Better to make a decision than not. If you made a poor decision you can always change it. If you made no decision there is nothing to change..."



I would march to war shoulder to shoulder with these people to defend the country from an invader or oppressor and I see no difference in this issue, it's that serious! (IMHO)
That, dear oldrider, is a very valid point. Cheers.

[StoneY]

Hey guys, girls, and in betweens.

Just a wee note on the political situation here

I am personally a card carrying member of the labour party (no surprises there) but I will happily accept backup on this from anyone, I mean ANYONE to fight this battle

While Labour may have thier own ACC agenda, and right now we are the ally of the moment, its actually all about the rest of NZ this time not just us, however on the power of BIKEOI we are leading the charge so the rest have let us and follow our great example set in Nov 09

When I was asked by the ACC Futures Coalition to help them organise a rally, I suggested we have Bikers attend in a 'were back and look who joined us' role and they were grateful, and willing

As the coalition is made up of largley Public Servants and Union officials who have the same aims we had at BIKEOI (do NOT raise OUR levies) it was a given it was going to get VERY political

It is the National Party making these changes, so anyone opposing them for whatever reason suits me as an ally untill Tuesday 3pm when I can go to the PnJ and get hammered
:D

Once this ones done, we need to get some movement going on unifying the BRONZE branches nationwide and play on our current political popularity (yes, all the parties except the nats and act currentlly love bikers) and keep the pressure on by lobbying, lobbying lobbying

I say in November we do another PURELY Biker BIKEOI, but thats ages away and this rally on Tuesday needs be dealt with and, Hone, Phil Rick etc are puppets of the moment regardless of party affiliation

At least with these 3 we know they can actually ride a bike! (helmets or not lol) and we know Hone will put himself on the line even if unpopular
I have no love of Mr Hariwera, or his party for that matter but on the day, hes my ally because, it effectively looks like HE HAS CROSSED THE FLOOR!
Thats the big break weve been needing in the halls of tptb

So, please all, forget the politics on the day, please remember we are trying to save ACC from being sold off and thats supercedes personal politics of the hour imho (humble...sure stoney)

Not much more to say and do now except show up Tuesday and rant, chant, scream BULLSHIT and wait to see if we scare em off or not
See ya there

[MSTRS]

To those who don't like the thought of being 'in bed with the reds'...There is a subtle difference in who is aligning with who.
This subject was always political. It was (a series of) politicians who started it, after all.
If it helps, I lay out below the progression of steps that have led to this point...
1998-1999 National sells the Earner Account, and introduces the full-funding model to the Motor Account. The country just watched.
2001 Labour buys back the Earner Account, but leaves the Motor Account as is. The country just watched.
2009 National tells the country "We can't afford this. Bikers will have to pay $750 more and then we are going to screw the rest of you". The country just watched.
That got the attention of bikers, who let the rest of us know all about it. The country just watched.
Bikers tell the Govt "No way" and the rest of the country "You're next" - because bikers saw the fine print. The country just watched.
A few 'enlightened' souls finally saw the fine print, and got the message through to a bunch more. The country just watched.
That (much bigger) bunch will be telling National to "Keep your hands off". The country just watched.
After next Tuesday - more of that 'country that just watched' will have seen that now bikers AND teachers, Maoris, public servants, wharfies, truckies, clerical staff, Tourism operators and the like are not happy to see ACC being destroyed.
And they will no longer just be watching...because they may just finally realise it isn't just bikers being targeted, it's THEM.

[phred]

So now we are in bed with Labour, Unions, Maori Party + Hone. Sadly this will make many bikers distance them self from it all. (And if Hone comes close to me while I am there I will tell him to fuck off)

I am but a lone voice in this all but I think this all has gone a step further than many bikers were prepared to be part of, and it was something I tried to say a few months ago; The only thing bikers fully agreed on was that the proposed ACC hikes were just not on. Then anything else/more was a totally different issue. Riding a bike has nothing to do with ones political conviction. You could argue that taking ACC back to how it was supposed to be has also nothing to do with ones political views. But by involving all these others it has become very political.

Not that anyone cares, but when I ask my self if I am OK with all this, my honest reply is: I am uncomfortable re who we are aligning us (us=bikers) with. Do I support a win at any cost? No.

But politics can stop you riding your bike. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" quoted from somewhere or other.

[mashman]

But politics can stop you riding your bike. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" quoted from somewhere or other.

Politics can't. It's the human beings wielding politics as a self righteous sword that will suggest that motorcycling be banned. It's the law that will stop us or the finances available to us.

[MSTRS]

I hope this is printed in the DomPost. I just sent it off.
HBToday printed it today...

Got a reply from them...they say - I am keen to use your letter, but it needs to be 200 words or fewer. Are you able to shorten it?
So I managed to drop off about 70 words...with this comment - I have managed to trim off 70-odd words without losing context. Can you make an exception? It is a very important subject.
I hope they go for it.

Dear sir

Last year motorcyclists protested levy rises and warned the country "Who's Next?" about other proposals. Since then, some rises have been announced, with barely a whimper heard in response. Will there be a whimper when the rest comes to pass? Already we are seeing cases of people in their 50s, injured at work, being turned down for cover because their 'condition is age-related' according to ACC.

Still to come...

Increased up-front charge at doctors.

Cuts to entitlements. 80% wage compensation will drop to 70%. For 12 months. After that, it will drop to 60%. And after 2 years, it will cease altogether. Unless YOU pay a specialist to re-assess eligibility for continued cover.

You will have to use sick leave and holiday leave you have accrued, before ACC compensation kicks in.

But because you are still ‘covered’, you have no right to sue to recover the shortfall if someone else caused your injuries.

The continued interference by successive governments is destroying this unique-in-the-world scheme. The current round of meddling is simply speeding up it’s demise. Soon we will be told that we’ll be better off if ACC gets privatised. Right! Electricity, anyone?

So – who is happy to pay more and get less for it? In the words of Rhys Darby, "No-one, huh? Typical."

But it’s not too late. Yet. ACC needs to return to it’s original (Woodhouse) principles. That is what all Nzers should be calling for. Some will be at Parliament lunchtime on Tuesday 16th doing just that. You can be there, too.

[Azi Dahaka]

i am now quite annoied that i wont be able to attend this as i have to go for a funeral though if i see any bikers on my way up to toupo from wellington ill be sure to save my support of this.

[P38]

Got a reply from them...they say - I am keen to use your letter, but it needs to be 200 words or fewer. Are you able to shorten it?
So I managed to drop off about 70 words...with this comment - I have managed to trim off 70-odd words without losing context. Can you make an exception? It is a very important subject.
I hope they go for it.

Read your letter in the HBT .... Good on Ya for putting pen to paper.... I know lots I work with read it too as they asked me was this in connection to the pettition I had circulated.

[_Shrek_]

I was going to atend this, but as it's not just for bikers I will wait until it is, & I hope it's before the price rise & not in November,
my piont is, I can't realy be bothered pushing some one else's barrow when we have a major problem right now & to make sure they hear us we need to show up in our thousand's, filling Wellington bringing it to a stand still,
sure it's going to piss people off, but what about other groups that march on Parliament, or truckers etc... they all knew it would piss people off but it didn't stop them, why should it stop us?

[Fatt Max]

I'm going cos as well as being a biker, I am fecking pissed about what is happening.

I'm sick of the lies that are being spun, I'm sick of the attutide that those in charge have towards normal hard working kiwi's, and I'm sick of the backstabbing that appears to be the norm.

Yes, it started with the bikers and didnt we make a noise. HUGE respect to everyone, and I mean everyone who organised, marshalled, supervised and attended the BIKEOI last year. I had the pleasure and privaledge of attending the Auckland events and felt such a sway of emotion and solidarity through those that attended.

The 16th brings in a new perspective, it brings on other groups that the changes to ACC will have a detrimetal effect on. But bottom line is that its Kiwis standing up for something that is inherantly Kiwii. Doesnt matter if you ride a bike, a unicycle or your neighbours missus, this is all about something unique to us.

am a pommie, emigrated here 12 years ago. The ONLY thing I do not like about NZ is the amount of pommies over here who moan about the place. Feck off back then and leave us alone. I have learnt so much about the ACC scheme over the last few years and this education has not come from books, seminars or presentations. It has come from the people of this great country, and all I have seen and heard is true blue angst over what is happening to ACC.

So, I wiill be there. I would like to ride down but I cannot do that so I am flying down. I will have my guitar with me and I will tell them to Jam It Up Ther A.R.S.E, and I will be proud and humbled to do so because I will be with people who care about something that is uniquly ours.

That, for what it is worth, is my angle

See you on the 16th, I will be the fat bastard with the guitar

FM
I

[StoneY]

I was going to atend this, but as it's not just for bikers I will wait until it is, & I hope it's before the price rise & not in November,
my piont is, I can't realy be bothered pushing some one else's barrow when we have a major problem right now & to make sure they hear us we need to show up in our thousand's, filling Wellington bringing it to a stand still,
sure it's going to piss people off, but what about other groups that march on Parliament, or truckers etc... they all knew it would piss people off but it didn't stop them, why should it stop us?

And here lies the root of the problem "I wont do anything unless its about ME ME ME"
Thats what them cunts in the government are doing, suiting themselves and we need to show up on Tuesday to show them its not only unpopular but will get them voted out

This one is about: BIKERS, FIREMEN, POLICEMEN, WELDERS, ARCHITECHTS, SCHOOL KIDS, ELDERLY, HOSPITAL STAFF, IT GEEK's....EVRYFUCKINGBODY.......get it yet?

Your apathy is pathetic and belittles the work people like Fat MAx, Cheery B, Ms Piggy, Riffer, Foxzee, Bald Eagle and a hanfdfull of others have done to make this one happen. I just make the noise and call the people to come along, the efforts of MANY bikers from members of Ulysses and WIMA down to us here at Kiwibiker, and a dozen unions is wasted on selfish shit like this

"I WAS gonna come but its not about ME anymore....' DAMN FUCKIN RIGHT it aint about YOU
Its about EVRYONE and this is the LAST chance to show we have a voice to holler with

Pathetic

Edit: Kikaha you can red bling me all you like I dont care what you think.
I dont expect anyone to kiss my ass I just expect them to stand up for the rights of every Kiwi and show this government they cant mess with ACC

Score to date: 2 red blings from Kikaha, 15 greens from the rest of the members here, case dismissed

[Pedrostt500]

I was going to atend this, but as it's not just for bikers I will wait until it is, & I hope it's before the price rise & not in November,
my piont is, I can't realy be bothered pushing some one else's barrow when we have a major problem right now & to make sure they hear us we need to show up in our thousand's, filling Wellington bringing it to a stand still,
sure it's going to piss people off, but what about other groups that march on Parliament, or truckers etc... they all knew it would piss people off but it didn't stop them, why should it stop us?

Ah the Root Attitude of good old Kiwi Apathy, "Nah Fuck All To Do With Me Bro", Go back to sleep New Zealand, Bury your head back in the nice warm sand, and let the Politicians just root you up the arse, at their free will, Yes Sheeple of New Zealand, Barstard Corp Insurance is standing in the wings to shear you of as much of your hard earned, as they can exstract, there is nothing to worry about, it is not about You Personaly, it is happening to your Neighbour, go back to your TV set and Corperate Rugby and Multinational beer.

[MSTRS]

I was going to atend this, but as it's not just for bikers I will wait until it is, & I hope it's before the price rise & not in November,
my piont is, I can't realy be bothered pushing some one else's barrow when we have a major problem right now & to make sure they hear us we need to show up in our thousand's, filling Wellington bringing it to a stand still,
sure it's going to piss people off, but what about other groups that march on Parliament, or truckers etc... they all knew it would piss people off but it didn't stop them, why should it stop us?
Hmmmm. So - you are only a biker. Nothing else. Only the bike levy rise, and none of the rest of what is planned for ACC, affects you.
4.5 million NZers would like to be you, I'm sure.

[_Shrek_]

Now remember this ones not all about us bikers, we are all welcome but its not expected that the thousands of bikes from last time will be there. A good few hundred- a thousand maybe, but yeah lower N.I. can sure represnt.

We wont have convoy parks and escorts and the stadium will be a foot gathering spot if were llowed. so the bikes will come to Molesworth st if I can get the council onside again ;)
And of course thousands of non bikers will be there, trudhing past our machines....we will be more symbolic than the main event this time if you get the drift.

Be good to have a few slow cruisers that wont overheat lead the footmarch, but do such bikes exist? @ kms of crawl speed in front of a foot march?......


Ok everyone
I have had a few people mention there is no defined thread for the NEXT PROTEST

I have sevreal Unions on board for a big march on Parliament, and the wheels are starting to roll
Dates set for 16th February, at this point its a logical date as the Corrections Union are having a march the week before, and some other group have one the week after so we get a finite window of oppotunity to pull this off.

I have requested permission from the Speaker to enter the grounds en-masse on 16th February.

This is about more than just Bikers but we want to have a strong presence there.

I need about 3-400 bikers to attend on the day and make a visible presence at the front of the house, but this time speakers will all be Unionists and Academics and other disafeccted groups (is that the right term?)

Its gonna take some work to pull it off again, and I am hoping we get the same support we got last time for the BIKEOI, but wont hold my breath.

Anyone keen to help, PM me
And I aint talking about handing out fliers, I mean WORK and responsibility for some of the organisation...(nearly killed myself the last time with exhaustion.)

This iwll be along the same lines as the BIKEOI, peacefull but a strong message
Want loads of signs, banners, and a good chant, one I think we have heard before, LOL:shutup:

StoneY


And here lies the root of the problem "I wont do anything unless its about ME ME ME"
Thats what them cunts in the government are doing, suiting themselves and we need to show up on Tuesday to show them its not only unpopular but will get them voted out

This one is about: BIKERS, FIREMEN, POLICEMEN, WELDERS, ARCHITECHTS, SCHOOL KIDS, ELDERLY, HOSPITAL STAFF, IT GEEK's....EVRYFUCKINGBODY.......get it yet?

Your apathy is pathetic and belittles the work people like Fat MAx, Cheery B, Ms Piggy, Riffer, Foxzee, Bald Eagle and a hanfdfull of others have done to make this one happen. I just make the noise and call the people to come along, the efforts of MANY bikers from members of Ulysses and WIMA down to us here at Kiwibiker, and a dozen unions is wasted on selfish shit like this

"I WAS gonna come but its not about ME anymore....' DAMN FUCKIN RIGHT it aint about YOU
Its about EVRYONE and this is the LAST chance to show we have a voice to holler with

Pathetic

Edit: Kikaha you can red bling me all you like I dont care what you think.
I dont expect anyone to kiss my ass I just expect them to stand up for the rights of every Kiwi and show this government they cant mess with ACC

Score to date: 2 red blings from Kikaha, 15 greens from the rest of the members here, case dismissed

take a look at the bold on your 2 posts, I have to take time off work (no pay, one income, mine)travel from central to wellington at my own expence FOR WHAT to back unions who don't realy give a shit about bikers unless they ride them selfs but they want our suport, because they know that we can get the numbers for their own ends so why don't you say to them suport us & our speakers & we'll put in a word for you,
& if the best you can do is sling off at me for posting my reason for not going... Knock yourself out

[_Shrek_]

Hmmmm. So - you are only a biker. Nothing else. Only the bike levy rise, and none of the rest of what is planned for ACC, affects you.
4.5 million NZers would like to be you, I'm sure.


Ah the Root Attitude of good old Kiwi Apathy, "Nah Fuck All To Do With Me Bro", Go back to sleep New Zealand, Bury your head back in the nice warm sand, and let the Politicians just root you up the arse, at their free will, Yes Sheeple of New Zealand, Barstard Corp Insurance is standing in the wings to shear you of as much of your hard earned, as they can exstract, there is nothing to worry about, it is not about You Personaly, it is happening to your Neighbour, go back to your TV set and Corperate Rugby and Multinational beer.

no I see what ACC is doing & I do give a shit just not when we are being used at my family's expence, I hound the useless mp's & anyone else that i can, but they don't care except for their govt cheque weather they be blue, red, green etc..

ps head above sand & no tv for the last 25 years

[StoneY]

In Shrek's defence its been pointed out to me he lives in Otago and it would be a small fortune to attend

So maybe it would have been wiser not to have said 'I was GONNA come to this but....'

Thats what got most of those involved pissed off, is the 'was going to come' statement
Never mind moving on

[Pedrostt500]

no I see what ACC is doing & I do give a shit just not when we are being used at my family's expence, I hound the useless mp's & anyone else that i can, but they don't care except for their govt cheque weather they be blue, red, green etc..

ps head above sand & no tv for the last 25 years

Yes I was taking a poke at the, "I was Going to", part of your post, There are many who will also be hiding behind that type of sentiment, both living and working with in a half hour ride of Bull Shit Castel, and will cry crocidile tears after June 1st, "Why Didn't Some One Do Some Thing".

[MSTRS]

Yea...came across as 'I won't protest, because the unions are' - when it's not about 'supporting the unions' at all.
Of course, geographical location and the logistics of attending are also biggies...

[CherryB]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.... This is about us proving to the Government that no matter what they expect (us to have shut up and gone back to apathy) we are going to keep fighting this one until we return to a system of one levy for all. And we are not alone. The rest of NZ is waking up to the fact they are trying to break ACC to set it up as a different (insurance-based) system.

Although (speaking for myself and I expect most of us) we are happy for ACC to continue to replace our right to sue - if it returns to being a fair and equally balanced system - it is bizarre that Government now want to move from a no fault system to one where the fault falls onto the victim.

ACC’s logic is that you are not at fault if careless or dangerous if your vehicle is big enough but you are "at fault" if vulnerable...?

Kiddies better watch out they might have to pay a helluva lot for riding their tricycles!

[blackdog]

can anyone in the hutt valley help with this?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/118664-rider-req-d-tues-16-any-in-the-hutt-able-2-ride-my-bike-in-with-me-pillion

cheers

[riffer]

I would suggest to Shrek and others who can't afford (either through money or time) to be here to back us up with letters to the editor, calls to talkback radio, visits to your MPs, etc.

If you can't be in Welly I totally understand. I wouldn't be able to get to South Island or Auckland either in my current financial position. But please, can we have some support in other ways. Even if its to bitch about how it affects YOU as a biker.

it all helps...

[_Shrek_]

I would suggest to Shrek and others who can't afford (either through money or time) to be here to back us up with letters to the editor, calls to talkback radio, visits to your MPs, etc.

If you can't be in Welly I totally understand. I wouldn't be able to get to South Island or Auckland either in my current financial position. But please, can we have some support in other ways. Even if its to bitch about how it affects YOU as a biker.

it all helps...

have done riffer called & sent stuff to our local Nat Mp, just to get the govet knows what they're doing & still singing the same old song but you're most likely bla bla bla :bs: but i have not given up, have to find another way coz they no longer take my calls :rolleyes:

ps I still believe that we as bikers should hit welly again but not as a minority group

[riffer]

Good man, that's really positive stuff. Well done!

[oldrider]

In the matter of "difference" between ACC (Woodhouse) State monopoly and private multi choice "insurance", the latter has always been my personal preference but I have had a good think about it and...........

Prior to ACC, life for accident victims generally was not good, even though we had the right to sue the party responsible for the accident, that hardly ever occurred to the benefit of the accident victims and their families!

Free-market insurance was available then and if it was such a good idea then, as it is supposed to be now, why wasn't it working for the benefit of the majority back then?

National would have us believe that it would be to our benefit if they are allowed to continue down their free-market path of dismantling the current abused and dysfunctional model of ACC and replacing it with free choice competitive accident insurance providers!

They were not there for our benefit before ACC and they will not be there for our benefit after ACC has been dismantled and discarded either!

ACC has served New Zealand well, it is politically bent, not broken, as our self serving political leaders would have us believe!

Since the inception of (Woodhouse) ACC, political groups of every ilk, flag and creed, have tinkered with it to suit their own political ends and as long as we have MMP and it's resulting lucky dip self appointed governments, it will always be the same, unless "we" the people tell them to stop and "return ACC to it's basic (Woodhouse) principals and philosophy" and leave it bloody well alone!

This is what I believe the heart of the current action is all about, returning ACC to it's original roots in keeping with the principals and philosophy of the Woodhouse model!

In an ideal world I do not totally disagree with the principals of freedom of choice of private insurance provider, rather than a State controlled monopoly welfare system with it's political tinkering, abuse and high cost but this is not an ideal world situation!

We (the taxpayers) must tell the politicians once and for all that ACC must return to it's foundation principals and philosophy and that they must leave it alone and cease using it as a political football in the future!

This National lead coalition (self appointed lucky dip) government have unscrupulously lied, cheated and misrepresented the so called figures and facts to suit their own agenda so blatantly, it can only cause one to conclude that they are playing their pipes to the tune of their financial backers, who must therefore have a financial interest in the outcome of their action!

MMP (media manipulated procrastination) provides an eventual government coalition dictatorship but who actually do they serve, the people of the nation or the financial providers that pave the way for their ascent to the treasury benches, you be the judge!

This action is an opportunity to spell out to the current and any other would be pretenders to government, that we the people have had enough and that ACC is just the tip of the iceberg of our discontent!

March together with confidence, commitment, sincerity and with one very loud voice!

Good luck, I would like to be there, somebody just might start listening!

[yungatart]

I've just been on the phone with my mother-in-law, who lives in Lower Hutt. i took the opportunity to update her on Tuesday's protest, and told her to tell all her friends. Hopefully I have helped to swell the numbers....

[gazmascelle]

This National lead coalition (self appointed lucky dip) government have unscrupulously lied, cheated and misrepresented the so called figures and facts to suit their own agenda so blatantly, it can only cause one to conclude that they are playing their pipes to the tune of their financial backers, who must therefore have a financial interest in the outcome of their action!

MMP (media manipulated procrastination) provides an eventual government coalition dictatorship but who actually do they serve, the people of the nation or the financial providers that pave the way for their ascent to the treasury benches, you be the judge!

hasn't national always been under the light when it comes to funding? that church funding issue comes to mind..