The joys of doing a runner

[Ixion]

Everybody knows the cops don't travel on back roads. It's illegal. They must remain on State Highways at all times:p


Only State Highways numbered less than 10. That's the unwritten law. I *have* seen cops on >10 SH , but that's just not playing fair. Jolly bad form

[oldrider]

"Winding up drongos for over 9,000 posts............"

It's still working then SD?

Acting like a drongo is a growth activity in New Zealand, it seems Scumdog has picked a winner!

[Hoon]

If the cops lost sight of him getting off the motorway, why was he still going hell for leather at the end of the Newlans road he died on. The newspaper account doesn't add up. There's more to this story.
Not necessarily. When adrenaline has kicked in it's near impossible to slow down. You often hear of people doing runners only to crash kms away far from any real threat.


Oh, and btw, next time your reminising about the last time you did 200+kph out the back of Martinborough, just think what the farmers and their wives where thinking about you? Not many of us are blameless, just not unlucky. (Does that make sense?)
Yep but we all weigh up risk versus reward. Long country straights, the risk of being caught/causing grief is minimal so we do it. But when risk outweighs reward then it becomes recklessness. Risking your life and others on crowded city streets for the sake of a ticket is where the stupidity comes in. The rest is just statistical probability.

He must've sucked at poker.

[Fatjim]

Still, I'd rather the guy was "convicted" by fact, rather than the burger fuel test.

[neels]

If the guy valve bouncing the engine in his car around the corner outside my house about midnight last night running from the chasing cops had crashed into the pole outside my house and died, I would have called him an idiot. If he had crashed through the front of my house I suspect I would want to do more than just call him an idiot.

p.s. if anyone can tell me what that shit was all about let me know;)

[caseye]

I dont get it.
Fact .He was caught speeding.
He "failed to stop"
He took flight.
He crashed and killed himself!
And there are people who STILL want Him to be called a poor misunderstood, probably had a terrible childhood young man, who was doing nothing wrong until the outcome of the three or so inquiries into his TRAGIC death.
I've said it here earlier, I feel sorry for his family and friends who have to come to terms with the fact that this young man is dead by his own hand, literally.
I feel relief that it was only him that died, so often they take out innocent people as well.
To bad he didn't just stop and cop the fine, none of this would be happening and we wouldn't be in the gun for yet another "own goal" motorcycle fatality.
ACC get it both ways here, minimal payout and a chance to screw us all up the arse with another preventable motorcycle accidnet statistic.

[red mermaid]

Good post.

He did it and has now paid the price.

Feel sorry for his family, and the cops who gave him CPR (Until you have been with a person dying like this I doubt if you can honestly comment on being in this position) and tried to save his life.

He won't do it again.

A lesson learnt (If they want too) for everyone else...stop, or you might be the next dead one!

[crazyhorse]

Time to let this one go - it was a week ago......

He's not the first, and unfortunately he won't be the last

RIP

[Fatjim]

How did he KNOW he had lost the Police?



I guess untill you've done it you'll never know.

[oldrider]

I guess untill you've done it you'll never know.


Well, that "knowledge" certainly didn't do the runner any good, did it!

[PrincessBandit]

Once you are in a situation where the adrenalin starts pumping it's very difficult to regain sensible control over your brain. I remember being chased in my car once by some crazy guy who was deliberately intimidating me - I was exceeding the speed limit to get away from him (through Manurewa), all the while seeing his delighted face in my rear vision mirror. Flight/fight yes, I know the psychology of it; however in the middle of the situation I didn't cooly think about what i was going to choose. My big lesson from it was that before getting behind the wheel or in the riding seat you need to be able to take control of your emotions and not allow them to dictate your choices on the road.

In hindsight, I would not be intimidated like that again in those circumstances. All i did was make his day (he got what he was after - scaring the shit out of a young woman) and there but for the grace of God my reaction didn't cause any harm to others. I was lucky enough to learn from the incident and think about how I might deal with future ones like it (running from the Police however is not something I'd do anyway). Someone else said something to the effect of "we run from what we fear" - well, ask yourself why should you fear the Police? Chances are that most of that is due to either guilty consciences or having already racked up a wee history....

The Police have a job to do and while some on here can give what they consider compelling reason(s) to avoid cops at all costs my take is if you have nothing to hide what's the problem? and if you do have good reason to avoid them, man up if you happen to be caught. People who do runners potentially can ruin many peoples lives, not just their own. Unfortunately the number of times people do get away with it encourages them to believe either in their own godlike prowess and invincibility, making them more likely to do it again. Eventually your luck will run out and you'll discover you are just as mortal as the next person.

[Fatjim]

PB, there's runners, and then there's runners. Maybe this was a chase worthy of being on TV.

The point I'm making is that we don't know the whole story. Don't get caught up like those on here posthumously baying for blood based on a newspaper report.

[Fatjim]

Well, that "knowledge" certainly didn't do the runner any good, did it!

Maybe it was his first time. I don't know, and I'll guess we never will.

[PrincessBandit]

PB, there's runners, and then there's runners. Maybe this was a chase worthy of being on TV.

The point I'm making is that we don't know the whole story. Don't get caught up like those on here posthumously baying for blood based on a newspaper report.

I'm not sure I follow your point that "there are runners, and then there are runners" - are you saying that there's a justification for some but not others? The bottom line is that doing a runner is just that - regardless of whether the person doing it feels justified or not. If we lived in a country where there was genuine fear that the Police would take one look at the colour of your skin or social status and you might end up at the bottom of a highway ditch with a bullet between your eyes then I could understand the fear that might drive someone to "escape". How many people though seriously fear for their lives in NZ that they'd run from the cops? All other reasons for attempting to elude ":gob: capture:gob:" is more likely to be based on an instinct to cover our arse for something we most likely have done or some deluded game of "outrun the pigs and see how soon they have to give up chasing me - oh look! I won!"

I'm not baying for blood of any kind - either stupid riders who lose in the gambling stakes, or the Police who are damned whatever option they take.

[Toaster]

The wild Waikato anyway. With a gun and drugs onboard I'd say the rider was bound to be some loser gang-member or wannabe tryhard.



that is a little bit scarey...riding with a pistol and drugs....hmmm. The wild west days returning

[gazmascelle]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

HAHA fuck thats awesome. Nothing wrong with sharing your opinion of whatever brand of motorcycle.. from the reactions that got you'd think you were dissing their missus or something

[Miscreant]

Like fishing with dynamite. Should see some of the comments on my settings page from the losers.

[Fluffy Cat]

Yeah but what if the Harley rider tried to plow the cops........see, never give up, never surrender.

[avgas]

Acting like a drongo is a growth activity in New Zealand, it seems Scumdog has picked a winner!

Don't confuse growth with breeding.

[dpex]

Man, I was in Queensland over the Xmas holidays and I couldn't believe the amount of riders I saw in shorts, t-shirts and JANDALS. Really amazed me at the stupidity especially on the main roads doing about 120.

It's known as the freedom to choose. "Over his own mind and body, each man has sole dominion. We may remonstrate with him to do otherwise but we may not visit him with an evil lest he prefers to ignore our advice.'

Personally, during these horridly hot times, I prefer a t-shirt and jeans. They keep me slow because I remain aware that a bin will cost me a lot of skin.

Me, in full leathers, on the open road? Hmmm. I dunno. Something just happens and every corner turns into a challenge. Pegs on the ground, weight well out. Yahoooo!

But in jeans and T-shirt? Gee, I might almost have as much fun on a moped.

[Trudes]

Freedom of choice is all well in good, as long as the rest of the tax payers don't have to pay for all the hospital stays, skin grafts and rehabilitation for other's freedom to choose to ride in thongs. As motorcyclists we all get tarred with the same brush too unfortunately.

[dpex]

He did dumb arse shit and just beciause he died doing it does not make him any less an idiot.

And I believe you MEANT to say "fuck me, 9400 odd posts too, you're a sorry arse", glad to help.:bleh: (Or have I misread the rant?):msn-wink:

You're strange old Pixie, Scum. On the one hand you're a cop with all that cop-stuff in your head, yet on the other you're a biker with attitude. I'll lay odds you cane it when the opportunity presents, and good on ya.

My guess about your attitude is, for better or worse, 'That if all bikers could ride well, and all cagers could drive well, then the speed limits would be pointless.'

But you buy into the systemic ideology that the lowest common denominator must determine the rules....and there enforcement.

I think you could reasonably agree that we proficient riders get a bit pissed off at being treated like the common rabble.

So I'd be keen to know if, upon deciding on a chase, you assessed the rider was really good, would you persist, or would you personally assert, 'Wooo! This choocky can ride, let's leave him or her alone.' Notwithstanding your new rules about 'speed chases'.