The joys of doing a runner

[scumdog]

Johnsonville
Today
Dead

[Hopeful Bastard]

You had to be first eh Scummy?


I was wondering who was gonna put it up.. Was almost about to do it myself...

All ACC are gonna worry about is that it is another Fatality on their books. All the more reason to hike our fees..


Wonder why he was running, Other than the speeding ticket he was gonna recieve..

[quickbuck]

Yup... Speed a factor obviously.....

Feel sorry for those that knew the rider.

[McJim]

Increase in penalties for speeding and there will be an increase in attempted runners. I've said it before.

[Str8 Jacket]

Fuck, I hate the fact that I know several motorcyclists in that area that may be tempted to do a runner...

I can't find any info about this in the news????

[Hopeful Bastard]

Fuck, I hate the fact that I know several motorcyclists in that area that may be tempted to do a runner...

I can't find any info about this in the news????

You wont.. Because it was ON the news.. Its only just happened..

[YellowDog]

OK - Whilst I don't agree with the Police obsession that speed kills; in this instance I do agree.

[hayd3n]

You had to be first eh Scummy?


I was wondering who was gonna put it up.. Was almost about to do it myself...

All ACC are gonna worry about is that it is another Fatality on their books. All the more reason to hike our fees..


Wonder why he was running, Other than the speeding ticket he was gonna recieve..

wouldent it be cheaper for acc if we died?
instead of having ongoing physio surgery etc

[Trudes]

Wasn't us...... they said Newlands on the NEWS. Wondered what all the sirens were going for.

[Katman]

So is that now 6 in 13 days?

Looks like we're in for a bumper year.

[dangerous]

well, all I can say is if ya wana be a right idiot and run... end result is you die, then the runner is the only one to blame, no doubt there will be those that say the cops are at fault.. crock a shit, the clown took the chance and lost.


So is that now 6 in 13 days?

Looks like we're in for a bumper year.
HUH.. you saying 6 bikers have died in the last 13 days ?

[Slingshot]

Wasn't us...... they said Newlands on the NEWS. Wondered what all the sirens were going for.

Wasn't me either.


And....probably best not to pass judgment until all the facts are known.

[dangerous]

Wasn't me either.


And....probably best not to pass judgment until all the facts are known. what.. as far as we know at the moment, he ran he died.. hes to blame

[Usarka]

All ACC are gonna worry about is that it is another Fatality on their books. All the more reason to hike our fees..
.

ACC will be happy with the outcome. It's the rehab and lost wages that hurt them.

[Muppet]

Ticket or death?

[NC]

Silly Silly bugger

my sympathies to the family and friends


Ps Hey scummy :D

[Scotty595]

I would much prefer a ticket to death :D

[RantyDave]

Stuff says (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3228000/Man-dies-after-police-pursuit) he pitched over a bank and fell. When ACC goes up there'll be more of these. Especially if we're going to give the owners of bigger bikes a larger incentive to do a runner.

Fuck.

[Number One]

Shit thought something was up when we came through there and heard the sirens from here too. Not any of the Monster crew - we would just pull over, take the damn ticket and pay it.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Hmmm just said Johnsonville on the news and now I see that it is Newlands.

Really bad start of the year for bikers - that said at just after 9am this morning there was an MX bike (no license plate) riding into central wellington today on SH1 doing about 85 in the outside lane, I passed him just before the ateo quay exit. That bloke needs his head looking at.

[Katman]

HUH.. you saying 6 bikers have died in the last 13 days ?

Well, there were three last weekend and someone on here said there were two the weekend before that.

To be honest, I can't even be arsed researching it.

Roll on winter.

[SPman]

"Give me tickets, or give me death!"

Nah.....can't see it catching on......

[Tone165]

Increase in penalties for speeding and there will be an increase in attempted runners. I've said it before.

I agree with this, combined with the decreasing liklihood of being fairly treated by the Police and courts.

I think it is worse here in Qld where the Police are on a bike hate - athon. Lately they have been pulling bikes over, demanding that the rider remove helmet, then taking photograps of the rider, his licence, and his bike.

I don't think this is legal...but what would I know...Im not a Policeman!

It looks like they are trying to build a database to reduce "runners"

[Lias]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3228000/Man-dies-after-police-pursuit

A 29-year-old man died after attempting to escape police on his motorcycle near Wellington this afternoon.

Police spotted the speeding rider on State Highway 1 near Tawa as he headed toward the capital about 4.20pm.

Area commander Peter Cowan told NZPA a patrol car gave chase but soon lost sight of the man when he left the motorway and headed into the suburb of Newlands.

Mr Cowan said police were still speaking to witnesses, but it appeared the man had lost control, crashing over a bank and falling about 15 metres to his death.

[elle-f]

Man, I was in Queensland over the Xmas holidays and I couldn't believe the amount of riders I saw in shorts, t-shirts and JANDALS. Really amazed me at the stupidity especially on the main roads doing about 120.

[Genie]

"Give me tickets, or give me death!"

Nah.....can't see it catching on......

let's hope it doesn't....quite pointless and a funeral costs way more than a speeding fine.

[Number One]

Ha - saw the same in Napier the last couple of days! Stubbies and jandals, no jacket but helmets and no gloves.


...some nice sexy man legs on a few of them too :whistle:

[nallac]

So is that now 6 in 13 days?

Looks like we're in for a bummer year.

Thats more like it...

[onearmedbandit]

Saw it on the news, no details there, read it on here, still no details. Could've been a bike thief running from the cops for all we know currently. Might have nothing to do with proposed acc fee increases.

[Scotty595]

Ha - saw the same in Napier the last couple of days! Stubbies and jandals, no jacket but helmets and no gloves.


...some nice sexy man legs on a few of them too :whistle:

Saw a group the other day. I think they at least had jackets on... all on big sports bikes, all wearing jandals and shorts. Was quite funny actually.

[Scotty595]

Ha - saw the same in Napier the last couple of days! Stubbies and jandals, no jacket but helmets and no gloves.


...some nice sexy man legs on a few of them too :whistle:

Saw a group the other day. I think they at least had jackets on... all on big sports bikes, all wearing jandals and shorts. Was quite funny actually.

[Usarka]

Ticket or death?

So you can never get away with it?

[R6_kid]

Might have nothing to do with proposed acc fee increases.

Remind me why it would?

[puddy]

Remind me why it would?
Maybe it was a short, spirit of the moment, fast protest ride!

[cowpatz]

I think the twat should be a finalist for a Darwinian award.

[Headbanger]

Suicide.






Meh.

[6ft5]

Another statistic

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619999

Anyone know who this is?

[Motu]

So is this part of the ACC protest Campaign? If so,count me out.

[caseye]

So is this part of the ACC protest Campaign? If so,count me out.

Me too Motu, I can think of many better ways of protesting that don't involve running from the Police to avoid a ticket and ending up dead.
No sorrow or sympathy for this rider, his freinds and family,of course, they've just lost a loved one, a stupid one but nevertheless one.

[onearmedbandit]

Remind me why it would?

It had passing reference to some comments in this thread about a possible increase in runners due to increased fines and rego costs. I was drawing a long bow.

[steve_t]

Another statistic

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619999

Anyone know who this is?

Just be careful not to post accident info before it hits the media. It's against site rules and the mods will be on you like a fat kid on a cupcake

[YellowDog]

I heard that the Police generally hold back and wait for the assailant to loose control.

Apparently it is very difficult to regain your sense of proportion after excessive high speeds.

80kph feels like 30kph and woopsey down you go.

29 years old eh! What a terrible waste of a young life.

Someone will miss him badly. Mum, Dad, Partner, Kids, Aunties, Grandparents - who knows.

RIP whoever you were.

[Quasi]

whoever they were. Bad choice, paid the ultimate price. Lets not bag him too much. He's gone and its easy for us to sit here, feeling very safe and secure and say what a silly lad he was. . Will be tears shed tonight and many other nights. No family needs to live with the unneccessary grief, but now will have too.

Ride safe friends and friends not yet met. R.I.P fallen rider

[MIXONE]

When I was young,dumb etc, I did a few runners and got away with them but now that I'm old,grey and had my day I just pull over and accept my fate (as I did on Sunday).

[Katman]

No family needs to live with the unneccessary grief, but now will have too.



Too bad he didn't give a fuck about that idea.

[sidecar bob]

Ticket or death?

Its Cake Or Death you muppet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY#watch-main-area

[Ixion]

Stuff says (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3228000/Man-dies-after-police-pursuit) he pitched over a bank and fell. When ACC goes up there'll be more of these. Especially if we're going to give the owners of bigger bikes a larger incentive to do a runner.

Fuck.

:scratch:Uh, it's a $200 fine. Can't imagine too many people doing a runner just for that. Not to mention that cops are unlikely to stop someone *just* for rego. :crazy:

Why does anyone think this is in any way related to ACC? The new levies are not even in force yet .

[YellowDog]

Too bad he didn't give a fuck about that idea.

It was certainly a bad call and I doubt this young man considered those his death might affect.

If he had he might not have lost his life.

[SPman]

It was certainly a bad call and I doubt this young man considered those his death might affect.

If he had he might not have lost his life.
I don't think he would have thought about that at all - until it all turned bad.
Do you?

[Okey Dokey]

Well, why do a runner unless you are guilty? Tough one the family, but just selfish and stupid of the rider. What if he killed/seriously injured someone when he lost control, rather than just earning himself a Darwin award? the resposibility is entirely his, not the cops/government.

[monkeymcbean]

Dam, cannot reply to remark, but someone mentioned ACC and fee increases with regards to this accident and should not effect them because the person died...unfortunately.

If the motorcyclist dies ACC still pays out to the wife of the victim if there is one in this case, a dead motorcyclist does not mean ACC does not have to pay out.

[peasea]

Johnsonville
Today
Dead

It was all the cops fault etc etc.

Probably an overdue library book.

[george formby]

Man, I was in Queensland over the Xmas holidays and I couldn't believe the amount of riders I saw in shorts, t-shirts and JANDALS. Really amazed me at the stupidity especially on the main roads doing about 120.

Thats the standard uniform up here for the summer.
The carnage is really getting me down, an accident is one thing but deliberately putting yourself at risk is just ... I dunno, mad, sad, bad.

[sAsLEX]

It was all the cops fault etc etc.

Probably an overdue library book.

It can't be, they had stopped the pursuit.......

[Pussy]

Well, why do a runner unless you are guilty? Tough one the family, but just selfish and stupid of the rider. What if he killed/seriously injured someone when he lost control, rather than just earning himself a Darwin award? the resposibility is entirely his, not the cops/government.

Spot on, OD! :niceone:

[monkeymcbean]

I agree with this, combined with the decreasing liklihood of being fairly treated by the Police and courts.

I think it is worse here in Qld where the Police are on a bike hate - athon. Lately they have been pulling bikes over, demanding that the rider remove helmet, then taking photograps of the rider, his licence, and his bike.

I don't think this is legal...but what would I know...Im not a Policeman!

It looks like they are trying to build a database to reduce "runners"

Good grief, have they nothing better to do? I really think just because you ride a motorbike, law enforcement assume you must go over the speed limit, infact 'jo' public comments are to this thinking, always asking how fast do you go etc, fark, talk about 'no pressure folks!'

[monkeymcbean]

Remind me why it would?

If the guy has a wife, ACC pays out to her, widow support etc.

[=cJ=]

Great.....

[BALZYBUELL]

can tell you he was not a local.sorry to family and freinds

[Mikkel]

earning himself a Darwin award

Well, for all we know he has got kids already.

Not cool for the family and friends. However, unless you know your stuff you'd probably be better off pulling over and having a chat to the cops instead of taking the gamble.

[marty]

Maybe it's time we had a 'Crashed and Burned' forum?

It could have a 'Cop Bashing' sub folder :)

[Conquiztador]

He was someones loved. RIP rider. My sincere condolences to family and friends.

[dangerous]

Maybe it's time we had a 'Crashed and Burned' forum?

It could have a 'Cop Bashing' sub folder :)
yeah, LOL hell you cant all go all serious and PC, christ you would end up a depressed heap... even death threads need some humour in them it actually helps with greif.
ps: am impressed cop bashers have not got on the ban wagon.



If the guy has a wife, ACC pays out to her, widow support etc. not nesaserlsary... a friend whos hubbie just died (on a bike) has been refused acc pay out cos he was supsedly only 'tempory' worker or 'part time' even tho he punched out 6 days a week... pricks like insurance will get out what ever way they can to not pay up.

[kerryhare]

well, all I can say is if ya wana be a right idiot and run... end result is you die, then the runner is the only one to blame, no doubt there will be those that say the cops are at fault.. crock a shit, the clown took the chance and lost.




Totally agree. IMO the police get a raw deal in a lot of these situations, all the riders/drivers have to do is pull over.

[SixPackBack]

I notice that whenever a 'runner' dies [regardless of machine type], one of the first police actions is to claim 'the pursuit was called off 2 minutes before' [or words to that effect]. Guilty conscience?....covering their collective arses?......vehicle pursuits kill more than they save?...........I vote 'yes' for all three!

[kerryhare]

not nesaserlsary... a friend whos hubbie just died (on a bike) has been refused acc pay out cos he was supsedly only 'tempory' worker or 'part time' even tho he punched out 6 days a week... pricks like insurance will get out what ever way they can to not pay up.

That is really unfair, he would have been paying acc levy from his wages, and even if he wasn't his wife should be intitled to some help from acc. I know of a worker on a work visa who needed time off work after spending a few days in hospital and had no sick leave and he got the sickness benefit while he had time off (different situation I know). Going to ring someone in the know at acc and ask some questions. Will PM you later in day.

[peasea]

It can't be, they had stopped the pursuit.......

I was being sarcastic.

[peasea]

ps: am impressed cop bashers have not got on the ban wagon.

Give me a moment. Oh crap, SPB beat me to it.

Of course it's not the cops fault, the PCA will tell us so.

[Genie]

somebody in wellington is waking up this morning knowing their loved one is dead!

the how/where and why means fuck all to them, they've lost somebody precious.

[Nasty]

I notice that whenever a 'runner' dies [regardless of machine type], one of the first police actions is to claim 'the pursuit was called off 2 minutes before' [or words to that effect]. Guilty conscience?....covering their collective arses?......vehicle pursuits kill more than they save?...........I vote 'yes' for all three!

Was an interesting place and time to do a runner ... as peak hour starts .. the police would have not been able to pursue for long on that bit of road .. I was on it shortly before and traffic was slightly heavy.

[DEATH_INC.]

It can't be, they had stopped the pursuit.......

I feel a Tui ad coming on...

[crazyhorse]

He was someones loved. RIP rider. My sincere condolences to family and friends.

He sure was...... RIP..... my thoughts too, are with the family.

yes, he made a bad judgement call, but who are we to judge......

[sinfull]

Regardless of what he rode, who his familly were, who the cop was, he obviously had his reasons for running and thought he could get away with it ! Perhaps licenceless, perhaps he'd had a few, who knows !
He made his decision and paid the ultimate price ! He didn't committ deliberate suicide, so if i know him, or those close to him, i will attend his funeral and comfort those around him !
Won't bag the cop, wont bag the rider, wont bag those who choose to do either !

15 meters is a long time to be falling !

[Stampy]

I saw this Guy on the way home, I was heading north down the J'ville straight and I saw weaving in and out of the Sth bound traffic, he was absolutely fek'n going for it!! about 5 seconds later I saw a patrol car in pusuit, wasn't till about 2 hour's later I heard he had been killed, he was going so fast I couldn't even tell what bike he was riding.

[Duke girl]

He sure did make a bad judgement and he has now paid the ultimate price, HIS LIFE!!!!!!!! Only he knows why he did it.
R.I.P. Rider and condolences to his Family & Friends.

[Oakie]

Heard on the news this morning that he was going at 120kph on the motorway. What's that ... a $120 fine? Must have thought he was going to be pinged for other behaviour surely!

[Dafe]

Saw a glimpse briefly on the TV news update. http://www.3news.co.nz/Motorcyclist-dies-after-police-chase/tabid/368/articleID/137140/Default.aspx
Note the German Cross sticker on the tank. Could be an indicator.

[Stampy]

Heard on the news this morning that he was going at 120kph on the motorway. What's that ... a $120 fine? Must have thought he was going to be pinged for other behaviour surely!

He certainly wasn't doing 120 when I saw him, Fek why didn't he just pull over at 120 he'll even ride away with a ticket!!

[Miscreant]

Johnsonville
Today
Dead

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

[sinfull]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.post of the century ! You been here long ?

[Genie]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

man this is crap....i've read some crap on here but this.....shit...you had your morning coffee yet?

[Taz]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

Haha, another sadly uninformed opinionated newby. Grow up.

[Griffin]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

... Tosser

[Grubber]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

Think you might be ever so slightly miss informed young fella......actually i think you might be slightly RETARDED!

[rachprice]

Just because he did something stupid doesnt mean he deserved death....

[pritch]

Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

I like his style. I assume it's a he, the writer seems undecided? Anyway, he or she certainly knows how to get a reaction.

People have talked about decisions the rider made. The basic fight or flight response operates at a far more basic level than that.
Assuming the bike wasn't actually stolen, that Maltese cross could be an indication that this rider might have been predisposed not to stop, fancying himself as an "outlaw". Whatever, he won't do that again...

[avgas]

Goes to show that you don't know your dead until your dead

[Murray]

Of course it's not the cops fault, the PCA will tell us so.

What!! In 4 years time???

[vifferman]

Yup... Speed a factor obviously.....


Height too...

[Dave Lobster]

So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops.

Boat anchors as ploughs? Are you sure?

[quickbuck]

Height too...
Indeed... More proof that it isn't actually the speed that gets you, it is the sudden stop at the end.....

[Freakshow]

Who ever it was must have been lost, RIP

[imdying]

Hope he was either a bike their of involved in bike theft, bit of a waste otherwise.

[Fatjim]

ISO 9209 standard for measuring speed (visual estimation by Burger King Employee) was used

[The Stranger]

Just because he did something stupid doesnt mean he deserved death....

No it doesn't, however sometimes when you do something stupid it just happens.
Point is, deserved or not, you pay your money, you take ya chances - deserved has nothing to do with it.

[motor_mayhem]

Hmmm just said Johnsonville on the news and now I see that it is Newlands.

Really bad start of the year for bikers - that said at just after 9am this morning there was an MX bike (no license plate) riding into central wellington today on SH1 doing about 85 in the outside lane, I passed him just before the ateo quay exit. That bloke needs his head looking at.

Slightly off the track but my mate's MX bike was stolen in exactly this manner, they broke it out of his garage and rode it down SH2 to the hutt and then it was never heard from again. I hope that wasn't someone else's bike being stolen.

[Hoon]

Just because he did something stupid doesnt mean he deserved death....
Debatable but he made his choice and deserves whatever the outcome may be which in this instance was death.

Sympathy = 0

The only good that can come from this is that others learn from his stupidity and if faced with the same situation man up and accept responsibility for their actions instead of choosing to risk their lives for something so insignificant.

[Movistar]

Roll on winter.

Amen to that.
Best time of year to enjoy riding I reckon. Far less tourists and far less wannabe's...

[crazyhorse]

Regardless of what he rode, who his familly were, who the cop was, he obviously had his reasons for running and thought he could get away with it ! Perhaps licenceless, perhaps he'd had a few, who knows !
He made his decision and paid the ultimate price ! He didn't committ deliberate suicide, so if i know him, or those close to him, i will attend his funeral and comfort those around him !
Won't bag the cop, wont bag the rider, wont bag those who choose to do either !

15 meters is a long time to be falling !

Well said :yes:

[RC1]

no sympathy from me, you decide to run and avoid a minor ticket you deserve to suffer the consequences imo

[Mikkel]

Heard on the news this morning that he was going at 120kph on the motorway. What's that ... a $120 fine? Must have thought he was going to be pinged for other behaviour surely!

Someone else mentioned something about the guilty conscience of cops. Maybe they were mostly right, just slightly off-target.

[Taz]

Hope he was either a bike their of involved in bike theft, bit of a waste otherwise.

What ? .

[imdying]

Dyslexia is cnut.

[Naki Rat]

"Strange. I've done it heaps of times on Playstation and almost never have to restart" Ain't reality a bitch!

Seriously though I suspect there could well have been more than a traffic infringement to avoid in this case.

[Babelfish]

From some serious analysis efforts amongst my colleagues and I, given the actions, location of runner and location of accident, we have so far concluded there are complete numbnuts out there. RIP numbnut.

Stay tuned for more stunning media level analysis as more facts come to light (or not)

[mynameis]

Sad
Tragic
Bad Call

RIP Rider

[sinned]

Name and details published http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3228358/Motorcyclist-dies-after-police-chase
Thinking of what his family and friends will be going through at this time.

[Azi Dahaka]

he is not one of us is he?

[Tank]

Meh,

There are so many people that have 'bad things' (tm) happen to them for no fault of their own that deserve sympathy - I save my thoughts for them - not numb-nuts who bring it on themselves.

[quickbuck]

he is not one of us is he?

What motorcyclist? Yes.
Human? Yes.

If he had a KB logon? Well, that bit I'm not sure of... if that is what you are asking.

[quickbuck]

somebody in wellington is waking up this morning knowing their loved one is dead!

the how/where and why means fuck all to them, they've lost somebody precious.

How do you know he has loved ones in Wellington?
He's from Timaru....

My pick is he was actually unfamiliar with the road he chose....

[Tank]

he is not one of us is he?

What the heck is "one of us"?

Its a online forum FFS - Not a brotherhood.

[Genie]

How do you know he has loved ones in Wellington?
He's from Timaru....

My pick is he was actually unfamiliar with the road he chose....

at the time I wrote that his details were not known.
He is actually related to some friends of mine....they're guttered!!!

[Okey Dokey]

...they're guttered!!!

but some of us are looking at the stars...

[rachprice]

No it doesn't, however sometimes when you do something stupid it just happens.
Point is, deserved or not, you pay your money, you take ya chances - deserved has nothing to do with it.

Yeah I realise that...just sounded like some people suggested he did
Its not something I would do or condone, but sometimes in stressful situations we make stupid, messed up judgement calls.
Unfortunately this dude paid for it with his life. He shouldn't have done it, but still sad to hear


Debatable but he made his choice and deserves whatever the outcome may be which in this instance was death.

Sympathy = 0

The only good that can come from this is that others learn from his stupidity and if faced with the same situation man up and accept responsibility for their actions instead of choosing to risk their lives for something so insignificant.

Well you don't know him or the situation so you don't know if it was insignificant, its relative
Yes he did make his choice, but I still don't think he 'deserves' death. I guess when making a decision you need to take in account all the possible outcomes but it was likely that it a was a split decision (a stupid one), who can honestly say they have never made a bad decision under pressure??
Don't get me wrong, like I said, I don't condone his behaviour. I just think that given no one really knows the situation, its a bit rough to be suggesting that the sad outcome was deserved.
Though I agree he shouldn't have done it and should have accepted responsibility from the beginning

[CalNZ]

have also heard bits and pieces of various accidents all resulting in death (probably around the figure of 6 in 11 days) - does anyone have any solid information on any or all of these - I seem to recall there was a Biker Down notice on the site but cannot seem to find that thread?

[Tank]

have also heard bits and pieces of various accidents all resulting in death (probably around the figure of 6 in 11 days) - does anyone have any solid information on any or all of these - I seem to recall there was a Biker Down notice on the site but cannot seem to find that thread?

WHY? Whats the point. If yuou were a friend or family member you would know.

What is the point of goolish curorisity just because someone died and simply they use the same kind of transport as you?

[Miscreant]

Sad
Tragic
Bad Call

and that's just the decision to buy a Harley in the first place.

[scumdog]

I notice that whenever a 'runner' dies [regardless of machine type], one of the first police actions is to claim 'the pursuit was called off 2 minutes before' [or words to that effect]. Guilty conscience?....covering their collective arses?......vehicle pursuits kill more than they save?...........I vote 'yes' for all three!

Who cares - the dude is dead by his own actions, nobody put a gun to his head and said 'do a runner or else', did they?

Idiots do runners
Cops chase
It's the way of nature.

[pritch]

I see on the 3 News that the "Harley" had twin front disks and was an inline 4. Shame such a unique machine was destroyed :whistle:

It's hard to have too much sympathy, and it'd probably be misplaced anyway. There's also Haiti where there's a lot of people dead, or about to die , but then they're a long way away so perhaps we don't need to be too sympathetic? I know who gets my sympathy.

[scumdog]

and that's just the decision to buy a Harley in the first place.

How do you know that?:rolleyes:
And why did he chose to crash this bike, - was the Harley broken down or somehting??:wait:

[SixPackBack]

Who cares - the dude is dead by his own actions, nobody put a gun to his head and said 'do a runner or else', did they?

Idiots do runners
Cops chase
It's the way of nature.

The police care otherwise they would not [with monotonous regularity] provide a disclaimer almost immediately after yet another person dies after a police pursuit.

Minds a good deal more cognisant than yours recognise the fundamental and basic need for "fight or flight" that is embedded within the human mind. Most of us control this 'need', some of us struggle to do so.

[scumdog]

The police care otherwise they would not [with monotonous regularity] provide a disclaimer almost immediately after yet another person dies after a police pursuit.

They do it just to pacify the whinging public that moan about shit like that....:devil2:

[peasea]

What!! In 4 years time???

Yeah, probably; they hope everyone will forget in that time and that everything negative will go away.

My daughter is going through a mission with the filth at the moment, costing heaps, getting nowhere. Cunts.

[Genie]

and it takes them that long to sort their shit out and think of ways to hide the evidence that may just incriminate them

[peasea]

Who cares - the dude is dead by his own actions, nobody put a gun to his head and said 'do a runner or else', did they?

Idiots do runners
Cops chase
It's the way of nature.

No, wrong.

The way of 'nature' is to run from something you fear.

The way of 'law' is to nab someone for doing something against the law.

Many people fear the law, so they run. Right or wrong.

[peasea]

I see on the 3 News that the "Harley" had twin front disks and was an inline 4. Shame such a unique machine was destroyed :whistle:

It's hard to have too much sympathy, and it'd probably be misplaced anyway. There's also Haiti where there's a lot of people dead, or about to die , but then they're a long way away so perhaps we don't need to be too sympathetic? I know who gets my sympathy.

I caught a glimpse of the bike on the late news, knew it wasn't a harley but the snippet was too short to make out what it really was. Any ideas? Not that it matters, just curious.

[peasea]

They do it just to pacify the whinging public that moan about shit like that....:devil2:

Do you mind if I use that as my signature? It would appear to sum up police attitudes.

[TOTO]

http://www.3news.co.nz/Tougher-penalties-needed-for-fleeing-drivers---police/tabid/309/articleID/137296/Default.aspx

Do you think that if riders face a 3 year jail sentence for people doing runners will put an end to it ?

[BoristheBiter]

It was all the cops fault etc etc.

Probably an overdue library book.

Should have guessed you would come up with some crap.

[Ixion]

http://www.3news.co.nz/Tougher-penalties-needed-for-fleeing-drivers---police/tabid/309/articleID/137296/Default.aspx

Uh, tougher than death? What were they proposing to do to him - send a bunch of mutant zombies into the afterworld to lock up his ghost?

Sort of stands to reason dunnit? No matter what the penalty, if you get away, it's irrelevant. If you don't it's probably comparatively inconsequential

[BoristheBiter]

not nesaserlsary... a friend whos hubbie just died (on a bike) has been refused acc pay out cos he was supsedly only 'tempory' worker or 'part time' even tho he punched out 6 days a week... pricks like insurance will get out what ever way they can to not pay up.

Acc still fund the cost of the complete crash i.e. cops, ambos, fire and other cost related to this.

[quickbuck]

I caught a glimpse of the bike on the late news, knew it wasn't a harley but the snippet was too short to make out what it really was. Any ideas? Not that it matters, just curious.

Well, I saw a big naked bike with a big tank., and a rather wide front tyre.
Twin discs and inline 4 has been mentioned on here..... So, we looking at Hornet?? Could be any one of them, as they all share the same tyres... Even a 250 fits with the 150k eye whitness "radar gun".

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah, probably; they hope everyone will forget in that time and that everything negative will go away.

My daughter is going through a mission with the filth at the moment, costing heaps, getting nowhere. Cunts.

dry your eyes and get over it.

[TOTO]

It does look like a hornet...

[BoristheBiter]

No, wrong.

The way of 'nature' is to run from something you fear.

The way of 'law' is to nab someone for doing something against the law.

Many people fear the law, so they run. Right or wrong.

do you run lots then? as you are talking about cops and how badly they treat you. maybe you should take a look in the mirror and you might see why.

[peasea]

Should have guessed you would come up with some crap.

And crap it is, glad you could see through the smoke screen. :innocent:

[peasea]

dry your eyes and get over it.

I'd rather come round to your house and make YOUR eyes water.

But I'm busy.

[peasea]

do you run lots then? as you are talking about cops and how badly they treat you. maybe you should take a look in the mirror and you might see why.

I rarely run, unless I've had a bad curry, then I run to the dunny to expell the likes of you.

Mirror? Talk to Hone about mirrors.

[peasea]

It can't be, they had stopped the pursuit.......

Oops, my bad. Maybe it was a 111kph ticket, well worth dying for. Not.

Mark my words; regardless of the reason for the pursuit the cops will come out squeaky clean, as always. I'm not saying the rider did the right thing (sympathy to familty etc) all I'm saying is....whether he was a murderer on the run or a rider simply taking a chance on getting off a 111kph ticket and whatever the circumstances....the cops will be squeaky clean in the report. It's a given.

[Guido]

Put simply, If you attempt a runner, you pay the price, be it you kill yourself or hurt yourself, but kill or hurt some innocent by stander, you must pay the price.! The law in NZ is piss weak, and we punish or blame the cop, who is simply doing his job. The real offender is the idiot who has broken the law and endangered innocent road users. Grow up.

[Mikkel]

Who cares - the dude is dead by his own actions, nobody put a gun to his head and said 'do a runner or else', did they?

Idiots do runners
Cops chase
It's the way of nature.

So the cops are following idiots... some leadership :p


It's hard to have too much sympathy, and it'd probably be misplaced anyway. There's also Haiti where there's a lot of people dead, or about to die , but then they're a long way away so perhaps we don't need to be too sympathetic? I know who gets my sympathy.

Indeed, and the fact that the "hot" news item is about one kiwi family who almost lost their daughter. FFS people are in dire need of a perspective!

Have a look at the photos, the country looks like it's been run over by a herd of bulldozers. It will take decades to rebuild. It's a large scale humanitarian catastrophe - but I bet we shall not have to hear about it in the news for too long. I am sure some celebrity will give birth, get arrested or in some other manner provide "substance" for more palatable news soon enough.

Then again, it's a poor country, with a high level of corruption, populated mainly by descendants of African slaves - why should we care about them when we have our own headaches like increasing prices on petrol and groceries? [sigh]

[BoristheBiter]

I'd rather come round to your house and make YOUR eyes water.

But I'm busy.

the shit that comes out of both ends of you would make anyones eyes water.

[BoristheBiter]

I rarely run, unless I've had a bad curry, then I run to the dunny to expell the likes of you.

Mirror? Talk to Hone about mirrors.

why to fat to run?

[BoristheBiter]

Oops, my bad. Maybe it was a 111kph ticket, well worth dying for. Not.

Mark my words; regardless of the reason for the pursuit the cops will come out squeaky clean, as always. I'm not saying the rider did the right thing (sympathy to familty etc) all I'm saying is....whether he was a murderer on the run or a rider simply taking a chance on getting off a 111kph ticket and whatever the circumstances....the cops will be squeaky clean in the report. It's a given.

so they should, if you don't stop when they want you to why is it their fault.

[Katman]

Have a look at the photos, the country looks like it's been run over by a herd of bulldozers. It will take decades to rebuild. It's a large scale humanitarian catastrophe - but I bet we shall not have to hear about it in the news for too long.]

But, but, but..............







............do they even ride motorcycles in Haiti?

[peasea]

the shit that comes out of both ends of you would make anyones eyes water.

I was thinking along the lines of cooking you up a good Mexican meal, so much for my generosity.

[peasea]

so they should, if you don't stop when they want you to why is it their fault.

My bad, spank me.

[Mikkel]

But, but, but..............







............do they ride motorcycles in Haiti?

...only off-roaders now I'd think.

[peasea]

why to fat to run?

Can't spell? Let me help you; it's 'TOO fat to run' and no, I'm quite svelt thank you.

[Thaeos]

Poor bike ..

[Conquiztador]

Saw a glimpse briefly on the TV news update. http://www.3news.co.nz/Motorcyclist-dies-after-police-chase/tabid/368/articleID/137140/Default.aspx
Note the German Cross sticker on the tank. Could be an indicator. Of what? That he had purchased a sticker?


Yeah, but let's face it, most of the ones like this that you hear about that wind up dead are harleys doing a runner.
So many of the sport bikes seem to get away with it. so the lesson isn't really don't do a runner, but a cautionary tale about why you shouldn't buy a Harley. They belong in paddocks towing plows, not trying to evade cops. You really know your shit don't ya.


I see on the 3 News that the "Harley" had twin front disks and was an inline 4. Shame such a unique machine was destroyed :whistle:

It's hard to have too much sympathy, and it'd probably be misplaced anyway. There's also Haiti where there's a lot of people dead, or about to die , but then they're a long way away so perhaps we don't need to be too sympathetic? I know who gets my sympathy. And how much did you donate to the disasters resently? Or are you just talk?

[Griffin]

Mark my words; regardless of the reason for the pursuit the cops will come out squeaky clean, as always. I'm not saying the rider did the right thing (sympathy to familty etc) all I'm saying is....whether he was a murderer on the run or a rider simply taking a chance on getting off a 111kph ticket and whatever the circumstances....the cops will be squeaky clean in the report. It's a given.

This is an attitude I struggle to understand... why should the cops be blamed for anyones death in the event that an idiot chooses to run from them rather than obey the law and pull over. If a "person" chooses to evade capture by the Police by driving / riding at ridiculous speeds through public roads and in doing so kills or maims him or herself and / or other innocent people... WHY does that become the responsibility of the Police.
We "the public" expect them to do a job but everytime one of these miscreants cause mayhem while evading those that we expect to do that job... we jump up and down and point the finger at them. What sort of f*cked up society are we creating here?

[peasea]

This is an attitude I struggle to understand... why should the cops be blamed for anyones death in the event that an idiot chooses to run from them rather than obey the law and pull over. If a "person" chooses to evade capture by the Police by driving / riding at ridiculous speeds through public roads and in doing so kills or maims him or herself and / or other innocent people... WHY does that become the responsibility of the Police.
We "the public" expect them to do a job but everytime one of these miscreants cause mayhem while evading those that we expect to do that job... we jump up and down and point the finger at them. What sort of f*cked up society are we creating here?

I have been sarcastic all along except for saying that the PCA will find no fault with the police, they rarely do. 3% of all compalints are upheld as at last count.

FFS, does nobody understand humour any more? (Albeit dark humour.) Sympathy to loved ones etc, but jeez, get over yourselves.

[Griffin]

I have been sarcastic all along except for saying that the PCA will find no fault with the police, they rarely do. 3% of all compalints are upheld as at last count.

FFS, does nobody understand humour any more? (Albeit dark humour.) Sympathy to loved ones etc, but jeez, get over yourselves.

Humour on your part or not... it IS an attitude that many people have and I get sick of hearing about cops being put over a barrel for trying to do their job. Its not a job I would want, personally Im pleased that there are still enough people in the country who do want to do it, what with all the shit they get from both sides of the fence (crims and law abiding folk)

[BIG DOUG]

It was a hornet 900 and was written of before this accident as I saw the new owner (not sure it was this guy)loading it on to a trailer at wellington m/c's so maybe it wasn't regged or woffed and been revinned hence the runner only guessing though.

[Gareth51]

How do you know he has loved ones in Wellington?
He's from Timaru....

My pick is he was actually unfamiliar with the road he chose....

The road is a dead end.....was the old rubbish dump

[Slingshot]

The road is a dead end.....

Literally, and figuratively.

He either didn't know the area...or was heading there to lay low for a while.

[marty]

3% of all compalints are upheld as at last count.
.

Or from another angle, 97% of the complaints are shit.

[quickbuck]

It was a hornet 900 and was written of before this accident as I saw the new owner (not sure it was this guy)loading it on to a trailer at wellington m/c's so maybe it wasn't regged or woffed and been revinned hence the runner only guessing though.

Can you be sure it was the same bike? Like did the sticker give it away?
Guess he might have just been taking it for a "Test".

[SMOKEU]

What sort of f*cked up society are we creating here?

We live in an increasingly blameless society. The real criminals get away with their crimes, blaming their actions on "a bad childhood" while people who commit minor traffic offences such as exceeding the posted speed limit get treated like the true criminals. Guilty until proven innocent for minor offences, and innocent until proven guilty for serious criminal offences. Makes sense doesn't it? (insert Tui ad here)

[Toaster]

Nope..... serious offences are usually preceeded by an arrest. Minor (traffic) offences are preceeded by an invite to contribute to the Govt MP travel perk fund. Both being alleged offences and both have a right of defence in Court. The bad childhood only comes in at sentencing when the waaaaaaaaaambulance lawyer gives the bleeding heart sob story.

As for the Newlands runner.... going out in an old rubbish tip landfill? Bummer. Lucky for all the people and kids around Jville and Newlands that he didnt take out anyone else with him.

[Crazy Steve]

A friend was listening via a Scanner while this chase was going on.....Apparently the Police car was right behind this rider and shunted him off the road to his DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy Steve.

[kiwifruit]

Thats what happens when you speed, YOU DIE.

[RocKai]

Today papers has released his name: Leith Barnes, an auto-electrician from Timaru who's on his holiday riding around North Island.

DomPost say This (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3231551/Officers-tried-to-save-motorcyclist)

Ans Stuff says That (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3228358/Motorcyclist-dies-after-police-chase)

Poor bugger, shud have man up and pay the fine.

[peasea]

Or from another angle, 97% of the complaints are shit.

I seriously doubt that and only a cop would have such an attitude.

[peasea]

Thats what happens when you speed, YOU DIE.

That's what they would have you believe.

[peasea]

Humour on your part or not... it IS an attitude that many people have and I get sick of hearing about cops being put over a barrel for trying to do their job. Its not a job I would want, personally Im pleased that there are still enough people in the country who do want to do it, what with all the shit they get from both sides of the fence (crims and law abiding folk)

They know the situation when they sign up and go crying when reality bites. It makes me laugh and is akin to someone signing up for a job on a fishing boat and complaining about motion sickness. Or similarly someone signing on as a chef and complaining about the heat in the kitchen.

[peasea]

A friend was listening via a Scanner while this chase was going on.....Apparently the Police car was right behind this rider and shunted him off the road to his DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy Steve.

Are you for real?

[SixPackBack]

Or from another angle, 97% of the complaints are shit.

97% of the complaints being erroneous would on close examination be statistically unlikely, and give more fuel for claims of corruption and cover-up.

Take a look at the Westminster law system: the police are always in the right, this starts at low level traffic offenses [said copper points the bone and you're fucked!.....defense is more expensive than the fine], and travels through to the highest echelon of law. The system is not designed to provide justice, the system is designed to provide control, and the police are there to do the governments bidding.

Proving the coppers are just as fucked up as the rest of society while [again] statistically likely, would strip away the control the government needs. The '97%' is confirmation that we suffer a 'law' system and not true justice, the later being a by product of the process and not the principle aim.

[Kickaha]

Are you for real?

You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe anything that dickhead says

[peasea]

You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe anything that dickhead says

I did post the question with a squint, my top lip curled and my head tilted to one side but nobody can see that in a post.
More's the pity.

[peasea]

97% of the complaints being erroneous would on close examination be statistically unlikely, and give more fuel for claims of corruption and cover-up.

Take a look at the Westminster law system: the police are always in the right, this starts at low level traffic offenses [said copper points the bone and you're fucked!.....defense is more expensive than the fine], and travels through to the highest echelon of law. The system is not designed to provide justice, the system is designed to provide control, and the police are there to do the governments bidding.

Proving the coppers are just as fucked up as the rest of society while [again] statistically likely, would strip away the control the government needs. The '97%' is confirmation that we suffer a 'law' system and not true justice, the later being a by product of the process and not the principle aim.

It's unlikely 97% of compalints are shite, some yes, but not that many.

Let's not forget who we're dealing with here and seek out a realistic solution. Oh look, there it is; a brick wall for bashing our heads against, which is what you might as well do when questioning a copper's integrity.

It's a blue Mafia I tell ya.

[nadroj]

What is the difference between "doing a runner"" and "resisting arrest"?
RIP rider and condolences family & friends.

[BoristheBiter]

I have been sarcastic all along except for saying that the PCA will find no fault with the police, they rarely do. 3% of all compalints are upheld as at last count.

FFS, does nobody understand humour any more? (Albeit dark humour.) Sympathy to loved ones etc, but jeez, get over yourselves.

thats why there is great need for a sarcastic smilley.
(is that spelled correctly)
The PCA might only charge about 3% of the time so that means 97% of the time they are just wasting time. sounds like the greens now.

[marty]

I seriously doubt that and only a cop would have such an attitude.

Really? Then I guess only a tree hugging leftie would view the opposite.

[marty]

Read the news. He was on an North Island tour.

And if anyone wonders why cops insist on sometimes carrying on with a chase:


In a separate incident police arrested another motorcyclist yesterday after a short chase in south Waikato.
The motorcyclist was spotted doing 136kmh on State Highway 1 between Tokoroa and Putaruru but raced off after being stopped by police.
The man, who has been charged with reckless driving, finally came to a stop when he tried to overtake another slow moving police car, and smashed into the back of it.
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[Pixie]

Thats what happens when you speed, YOU DIE.

Considering that in 33 years of riding I have only observed the open road speed limit infrequently,I must therefore be dead.
I was wondering what that smell was.

I haven't bothered to read this thread fully,but I will make the observation that many recent deaths of motorists absconding from police seem to occur "shortly after the police called off the pursuit".:scratch: Perhaps it would be safer if the cops continued the pursuit?
Worth a try.

[Genie]

that is a little bit scarey...riding with a pistol and drugs....hmmm. The wild west days returning

[Pixie]

that is a little bit scarey...riding with a pistol and drugs....hmmm. The wild west days returning

He probably had late christmas presents for his wife and kid - a water pistol and viagra.

[pzkpfw]

Write-up on this in todays Dominion. (On-line version http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3231551/Officers-tried-to-save-motorcyclist )

They seemed to make a big deal of the "powerful" bike he was riding. Used it's name "Hornet" almost in a perjerative way.

Also, they used "motorcyclist" instead of "biker" to describe the rider.

(They seem to use "biker" in a story that's "good" - like "bikers raise cash for charity" and "motorcyclist" where the story is "bad".)

[BoristheBiter]

He probably had late christmas presents for his wife and kid - a water pistol and viagra.

Thats why he couldn't stop, he had get to home to the misses.

[crazyhorse]

Write-up on this in todays Dominion.

They seemed to make a big deal of the "powerful" bike he was riding. Used it's name "Hornet" almost in a perjerative way.

Also, they used "motorcyclist" instead of "biker" to describe the rider.

(They seem to use "biker" in a story that's "good" - like "bikers raise cash for charity" and "motorcyclist" where the story is "bad".)

I think the worse part is, that motorcycling is in the spotlight yet again..............

[Conquiztador]

I think the worse part is, that motorcycling is in the spotlight yet again..............

Nope. The worst part is that there is a dead rider, be that for whatever reason.

[crazyhorse]

Nope. The worst part is that there is a dead rider, be that for whatever reason.

Well, both reasons apply :done:

[nudemetalz]

I think there was no need to see the smashed up Hornet in the paper.

[crazyhorse]

I think there was no need to see the smashed up Hornet in the paper.

Agreed - but that is what the papers do

[Mikkel]

I think there was no need to see the smashed up Hornet in the paper.

Maybe, but the mantra of our time is "pics or it didn't happen"...

[ukusa]

Write-up on this in todays Dominion. (On-line version http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3231551/Officers-tried-to-save-motorcyclist )

They seemed to make a big deal of the "powerful" bike he was riding. Used it's name "Hornet" almost in a perjerative way.

Also, they used "motorcyclist" instead of "biker" to describe the rider.

(They seem to use "biker" in a story that's "good" - like "bikers raise cash for charity" and "motorcyclist" where the story is "bad".)

I see they've also reduced the size of the bank he went over, now down to 10 metres (was 15 the other day)

[Genie]

it's just way too sad....

[Crazy Steve]

Today papers has released his name: Leith Barnes, an auto-electrician from Timaru who's on his holiday riding around North Island.

DomPost say This (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3231551/Officers-tried-to-save-motorcyclist)

Ans Stuff says That (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3228358/Motorcyclist-dies-after-police-chase)

Poor bugger, shud have man up and pay the fine.

Nice read,

But it all sound like to much shit for me to take in, Like the motorbike doin 150kph and the police car following 10seconds behind at less than 100kph...FCKIN BULLSHIT MEDIA AND COPS LYING !!!!!!!

Kicka your a fcking dick and I hope your next to DIE !

Crazy Steve.

[davebullet]

I live in Johnsonville, and at ~4pm the place is getting busy. People cross the street inbetween the 3 traffic light controlled crossings. Max. 35kph is the fastest I travel at unless it is quiet then 50kph is fine. Otherwise you will hit a pedestrian sooner or later.

I am amazed the police blasted through there at "under 100kph" at that time.

I'm not sure I agree about increasing fines causing more runners. I don't know if you have the time to calculate the fine. Runners probably just think "my bike is powerful enough and I can ride well, so I can lose the cops".

I'm not condoning the rider's actions and I feel sorry for his friends and family.

I'd like to know the chase criteria the police use. The end result is a dead rider and lucky no innocent bystanders hurt.

[peasea]

Really? Then I guess only a tree hugging leftie would view the opposite.

Namely who? Can't be me, I don't hug trees.

[slofox]

RNZ news this morning was talking about making a three year jail sentence part of the penalty for doing a runner...idea borrowed from the Ockeralians I believe...

[Mikkel]

RNZ news this morning was talking about making a three year jail sentence part of the penalty for doing a runner...idea borrowed from the Ockeralians I believe...

That makes perfect sense. Once you've started running - no fucking point in stopping until you've gotten away clean or killed yourself.

When will these tossers realise that just instating new more comprehensive laws with tougher penalties does not work?

[Ferkletastic]

Nice read,

But it all sound like to much shit for me to take in, Like the motorbike doin 150kph and the police car following 10seconds behind at less than 100kph...FCKIN BULLSHIT MEDIA AND COPS LYING !!!!!!!

Kicka your a fcking dick and I hope your next to DIE !

Crazy Steve.

So much anger. Chill young fella, you'll do yourself a mischief.

[Jantar]

Nice read,

But it all sound like to much shit for me to take in, Like the motorbike doin 150kph and the police car following 10seconds behind at less than 100kph...FCKIN BULLSHIT MEDIA AND COPS LYING !!!!!!!.....
With a 10 second gap and a 50kmh speed difference the cops would have given up the chase 2.7 seconds earlier. If they had given up the chase 1 minute earlier as claimed then the gap would have been at least 30 seconds.

[scumdog]

I think there was no need to see the smashed up Hornet in the paper.

It was there to show Miscreant that it wasn't a Harley that was binned.:whistle:

[scumdog]

Nice read,

Kicka your a fcking dick and I hope your next to DIE !

Crazy Steve.

Wow, that sounds way too normal a thing to say for Crazy Steve - it must be an imposter, one that will hopefully bugger off ---- or die......

[speedpro]

With a 10 second gap and a 50kmh speed difference the cops would have given up the chase 2.7 seconds earlier. If they had given up the chase 1 minute earlier as claimed then the gap would have been at least 30 seconds.

A long long long time ago I was convicted for dangerous driving because i was doing 160KmH 1m behind a car on my bike, 2 up. The car was doing 80KmH, ahaaaa, hmmmmm, yep, that's dangerous says the judge. Useless lawyer didn't even raise the issue of just how long that 1m gap would last.

[Ixion]

A friend was listening via a Scanner while this chase was going on.....Apparently the Police car was right behind this rider and shunted him off the road to his DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy Steve.

There have been cases where cops have shunted bikes. Happened to someone on this site.

But would a cop really announce to comms "I'm right up his date - I'm going to ram him - YEEEEHAHHH I've shunted him over a 50 foot cliff "

It sounds unlikely.

And that stuff is recorded , I think, and even the Police Whitewash Authority would be hard pressed to ignore it.

[scumdog]

But would a cop really announce to comms "I'm right up his date - I'm going to ram him - YEEEEHAHHH I've shunted him over a 50 foot cliff "

It sounds unlikely.

And that stuff is recorded , I think, and even the Police Whitewash Authority would be hard pressed to ignore it.

THAT won't stop some on KB saying the opposite..<_<

[peasea]

THAT won't stop some on KB saying the opposite..<_<

Who? Who? Who?

[peasea]

It was there to show Miscreant that it wasn't a Harley that was binned.:whistle:

Now that WOULD have been sad.

[dipshit]

I like the other one... "The man, who has been charged with reckless driving, finally came to a stop when he tried to overtake another slow moving police car, and smashed into the back of it."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3231551/Officers-tried-to-save-motorcyclist

:whistle:

[Griffin]

Kicka your a fcking dick and I hope your next to DIE !Crazy Steve.

Wow... I really hope that either you and Kicka are friends outside of this forum and this is just general banter cos thats a pretty shitty thing to wish on anyone - even if you really do think their a dick

[Griffin]

They know the situation when they sign up and go crying when reality bites. It makes me laugh and is akin to someone signing up for a job on a fishing boat and complaining about motion sickness. Or similarly someone signing on as a chef and complaining about the heat in the kitchen.

But my point is... why should that be the reality? Why do so many people persecute the Police for not doing their job, and then also persecute them FOR doing their job. You cant moan about the cops not catching crooks and then moan about them chasing crooks. Seriously screwed up! I might even be growing an ulcer over this!

[Ixion]

They know the situation when they sign up and go crying when reality bites. It makes me laugh ..



Don't do it ! Think of your advanced age. If you go laughing you'll fall off your chair again. You know you will. And it's a dangerous business , this falling off of chairs.

Last week I not only fell off my chair, I smashed it into pieces in the process, and ended up sprawled on the floor amidst the splintered wreckage of my chair. I would not have thought that a chair could be so throughly smashed. Took me most of last Saturday to bodge it back together.

A man of your years cannot take the risk. ACC cannot afford you to be falling off your chair.

No laughing. OK.

[Miscreant]

It was there to show Miscreant that it wasn't a Harley that was binned.:whistle:

Meh, next best thing - a hairdressers bike.

[peasea]

But my point is... why should that be the reality? Why do so many people persecute the Police for not doing their job, and then also persecute them FOR doing their job. You cant moan about the cops not catching crooks and then moan about them chasing crooks. Seriously screwed up! I might even be growing an ulcer over this!

You'll make more money growing pot.

[ItsTheHamma]

But my point is... why should that be the reality? Why do so many people persecute the Police for not doing their job, and then also persecute them FOR doing their job. You cant moan about the cops not catching crooks and then moan about them chasing crooks. Seriously screwed up! I might even be growing an ulcer over this!

yep exactly you are right. My sister got killed by a drunk driver when she was aged 31, the Police only can do their best, it wasn't the cops faullt. The guy that did it is out of prison and has already been caught drink driving again....what a disgrace!!!!

[peasea]

yep exactly you are right. My sister got killed by a drunk driver when she was aged 31, the Police only can do their best, it wasn't the cops faullt. The guy that did it is out of prison and has already been caught drink driving again....what a disgrace!!!!

Well, he probably needs to go back in then doesn't he? It is a disgrace, that's quite right, and I'm willing to bet he only served half his sentence, right? No, that's not any cops fault, it's the drunk's fault in the first instance. Others might point fingers at the Corrections Dept but ultimately it's the drunk's doing and he needs to pay a price. If automobiles were treated as guns (ie; lethal weapons) then killing someone with an automobile would result in stiffer penalties, hopefully, and especially when alcohol is involved.

[scumdog]

I like the other one... "The man, who has been charged with reckless driving, finally came to a stop when he tried to overtake another slow moving police car, and smashed into the back of it."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/3231551/Officers-tried-to-save-motorcyclist

:whistle:

The KB rules are:
If the rider crashes/dies while being chased for doing nothing wrong (other than speeding - cos that ain't wrong apparently) then the rabid motormouths of KB let rip with their deadly keyboards (At times I suspect it's just to entertain me:whistle:)

If the rider crashes/dies and has done something more serious? - not a cheep from said motormouths.

Cuts the posts in half y'see.:msn-wink:

[onearmedbandit]

From what I've gathered hitting someone with a car in America is considered assualt with a deadly weapon.

[scumdog]

From what I've gathered hitting someone with a car in America is considered assualt with a deadly weapon.

And if anyone gets killed or injured (Police included) during the pursuit the person being pursued is held liable - vehicular manslaughter or higher charge..

[pritch]

I was explained to me once that in the US of A some/many/most states have it that if you kill someone on the way to committing a felony, while committing a felony, or leaving the scene of a felony, the charge must be first degree murder.

While the first part of that strikes me as rather impractical, there have been occasions in this country when I have felt such a law would be an improvement. For instance when someone has been killed during a burglary or robbery the lawyers start with, "But he didn't really intend to kill him."
Who cares? He's dead. Lock the crim up and toss the key.

[SixPackBack]

From what I've gathered hitting someone with a car in America is considered assualt with a deadly weapon.

Holding up the USA as a bastion of justice and/or common sense is laughable.

[scumdog]

Holding up the USA as a bastion of justice and/or common sense is laughable.

So...where would YOU hold up as a gleaming icon and bastion of justice?

Uganda?

[MD]

This incident raises some strange questions. Why on earth would a rider that, as far as we have heard in the media, had a clean history, do such a stupid runner? What we have heard so far was a simple "he was speeding"

Surely a few demerits, even enough to tip him over the magic 100 wouldn't drive a sane person to do 150kph through main road Johnsonville at any time, let alone 4.25pm week day. For all my past sins I totally accept that the real speed IS and SHOULD be between 35 to 50kph through J/viille shopping central.

The second weird thing is that he had gotten away. So why did he ride flat out over a bank on a dead end road?

Being an out of towner he wouldn't have realised that he had entered a part of Newlands with only two exits roads and he was actually trapped by the Cops. But he would have realised that the cops were not on his tail anymore. So why ride off a dead end road at speed? For those that don't know the "park"he landed on was a rubbish tip at the bottom of a gully not that many years ago.

Oh and those trying to blame the cops and saying, oh thay claim to have ceased chasing, it's their fault, get real. Any dick that does above 70kph down that stretch of J/ville deserves to be pursued and caught. Bloody insane behaviour with a probabilty of killing someone about the same as the chance of wind in Wellington.

To try and blame the Cops is ridiculous. He did a runner like many have before. I can understand that subject to time and place i.e. when he was on the motorway. The difference is he put untold people at risk by turning off into Burbs central where you expect traffic to be crawling, not doing 70kph, not 100kph, and certainly not 150kph. He must have realised that he had a high chance of having to run three reds lights as he approached them!

Just weird? Will be interesting to hear what circumstances come out in time e.g. was he high as a kite

[pritch]

Holding up the USA as a bastion of justice and/or common sense is laughable.

Fair enough, but they don't get everything wrong.

[onearmedbandit]

Holding up the USA as a bastion of justice and/or common sense is laughable.

Ah yeah, cos that's exactly what I was doing. Yep, holding up the USA as a bastion...

I think you read a little too much into my post there spb.

[SixPackBack]

Ah yeah, cos that's exactly what I was doing. Yep, holding up the USA as a bastion...

I think you read a little too much into my post there spb.

Nope just quoting a fact. Your post was a convenient handle to hang it off and nothing more.

The yanks have a law and order system that is overtly aggressive, and naturally breeds further aggression. The states record of homicide involving guns is beyond compare in the western world, proof positive that neither their police or justice system are performing their collective primary duty.

[scumdog]

Nope just quoting a fact. Your post was a convenient handle to hang it off and nothing more.

The yanks have a law and order system that is overtly aggressive, and naturally breeds further aggression. The states record of homicide involving guns is beyond compare in the western world, proof positive that neither their police or justice system are performing their collective primary duty.



NZ is pretty up there with it's homicide rate - and a lot of the times guns are not used.....well you don't have to on a baby, do you?

[Lucy]

From what I've gathered hitting someone with a car in America is considered assualt with a deadly weapon.

In India you are quite likely to get bashed to death by upset bystanders if you hit someone with a vehicle. Check out youtube for some amazing intersection driving 'madness'. (quote marks cos it looks mad, but no-one gets hit)

[peasea]

the rabid motormouths of KB let rip with their deadly keyboards (At times I suspect it's just to entertain me:whistle:)

Well, you and one or two others.
:jerry::jerry::jerry:

I spoke to a mate in Welly today who got an account from an eye witness. Apparently the rider was going like the clappers and the cops were quite a way behind. People everywhere, kids and all, you have to wonder what snapped in the rider's head.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Oh and those trying to blame the cops and saying, oh thay claim to have ceased chasing, it's their fault, get real. Any dick that does above 70kph down that stretch of J/ville deserves to be pursued and caught. Bloody insane behaviour with a probabilty of killing someone about the same as the chance of wind in Wellington.


Damn right!

I don't care who he is or how many people he left behind crying because of losing him. I live in Johnsonville and Regularly cross that road on foot most days as do a lot of people. Anyone who drives through Johnsonville can tell you how busy that main road is (and pedestrians don't just cross at the two crossings - it is all the way along the stretch).

The prick was selfish trying to do a runner - as soon as he would have entered that section, from the roundabout, he would have realised that it was a highly dense foot traffic area and still decided that his not getting caught was more important than anything else.

I'm just glad that nobody else got hurt, I don't really care about someone that selfish as they obviously wouldn't care about anyone else.

[davebullet]

Will be interesting to hear what circumstances come out in time e.g. was he high as a kite

For a short time, yes.

[oldrider]

In India you are quite likely to get bashed to death by upset bystanders if you hit someone with a vehicle. Check out youtube for some amazing intersection driving 'madness'. (quote marks cos it looks mad, but no-one gets hit)

It always fascinates me how people like in those clips of Indian intersections go about their business without all the rules traffic lights ETC relatively incident free!

Is it because they are personally responsible for themselves getting to where they are going and that the cost of failure to do so is far higher than in NZ? (No welfare state or ACC welfare to pick up the pieces for them, probably no insurance of any sort)

Observing people behaviour in overseas crowded countries, it became obvious that if you swapped all the people in one place over there with New Zealanders for just a moment, it would break down in utter chaos immediately!

New Zealand attitudes are really pathetically arrogant and if everyone was like that in "crowded" countries nobody would ever get anywhere!

I learned more about my own behaviour over there and was embarrassed and humbled on many an occasion and had to learn to fit in and go with the flow or go nowhere, it did me a lot of good and I am mild compared to the average New Zealander.

We really are impatient arrogant arseholes the way we behave toward one another, especially on our roads and the way we drive our vehicles.

NZ has too many rules, too many welfare escape routes, too many insurance escapes, too many bloody lawyers, too many soft judges, an ineffective and sometimes corrupt corrections department, too few police, too many useless politicians and a socialist government!

We do however have some lovely scenery to look at while we continue to shit in our own backyard! :thud:

[Lucy]

It always fascinates me how people like in those clips of Indian intersections go about their business without all the rules traffic lights ETC relatively incident free!

Is it because they are personally responsible for themselves getting to where they are going and that the cost of failure to do so is far higher than in NZ? (No welfare state or ACC welfare to pick up the pieces for them, probably no insurance of any sort)


New Zealand attitudes are really pathetically arrogant and if everyone was like that in "crowded" countries nobody would ever get anywhere!

:thud:

I think a lot is to do with that yes, and especially the crowds. As you say, no-one would get anywhere if they all waited for a Kiwi sized gap. I was amazed when I was there how a bus would force an oncoming car onto the shoulder if they were passing a cow etc. But, the fact that there was room on the shoulder meant there was room for all to pass. No-one got mad or seemed shocked, there was room, what's the problem?

We've had the luxury of having plenty of room, and it's foreign to us to drive/ride/push a rickshaw in those conditions. Interestingly though, it's the opposite on our ski slopes. With all North Island skiers being restricted to two fields, we ski/board a lot closer and faster to each other than people from Europe (who are used to massive resorts) are used to. I've heard a few shocked complaints from people about how they aren't used to being crowded and skied so close to them it freaks them out. Sounds like a very similar scenario to us driving in crowded countries eh?

[Skyryder]

Someone died for nothing.


Skyryder

[Lucy]

Someone died for nothing.


Skyryder

Most people die for nothing.

[festus]

Well I've read enough.

To those that offered their condolences good on ya.!

To those that have been running down this guy for what he did, saying he deserved everything he got yadda yadda yadda, you're a pack of fuckwits........none of you knew the guy, know the circumstances around what happened, so shouldn't be passing judgement so quickly.

That's the thing about this site, so many fuckwits, probably why I don't call in as often, unlike those with several thousand posts to their names and nothing better to do with your time but to run people down and dribble bullshit.........I have a life

[scumdog]

Well I've read enough.

To those that offered their condolences good on ya.!

To those that have been running down this guy for what he did, saying he deserved everything he got yadda yadda yadda, you're a pack of fuckwits........none of you knew the guy, know the circumstances around what happened, so shouldn't be passing judgement so quickly.

That's the thing about this site, so many fuckwits, probably why I don't call in as often, unlike those with several thousand posts to their names and nothing better to do with your time but to run people down and dribble bullshit.........I have a life

Nice rant - I hope you enjoy life......


(Oh, and passing 'judgement' on this case wasn't hard - you got some logical reason why this idiot rode as he did and a reason why he is above criticism?)

[festus]

Nice rant - I hope you enjoy life......

(Oh, and passing 'judgement' on this case wasn't hard - you got some logical reason why this idiot rode as he did and a reason why he is above criticism?)


People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.

As for ranting, fuck me 9400 odd posts to your sorry ass, you've done a shitload of ranting on here yourself mate!

[Kendog]

To those that have been running down this guy for what he did, saying he deserved everything he got yadda yadda yadda, you're a pack of fuckwits........none of you knew the guy, know the circumstances around what happened, so shouldn't be passing judgement so quickly.

People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.
I live in Newlands, I am in Johnsonville often.
That guy risked my life, my wife's life and the lives of many others.

Calling him an idiot is more than fair in my view.

[Fatjim]

I think the point here was KD that we pretty much know squat, which is the typical sum truth that you get in the media in NZ.

[Nasty]

Nice rant - I hope you enjoy life......


(Oh, and passing 'judgement' on this case wasn't hard - you got some logical reason why this idiot rode as he did and a reason why he is above criticism?)


People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.

As for ranting, fuck me 9400 odd posts to your sorry ass, you've done a shitload of ranting on here yourself mate!

And yet you didn't answer the question .... its not about people having posts on this site ... its not about them expressing a view on someone who died in an accident ... its that the person who died risked so many other lives in doing the stupid things he did ... he broke the law - decided to run ... and in doing so killed himself ... I guess we are lucky that he didn't take any of us with him.

[Kendog]

I think the point here was KD that we pretty much know squat, which is the typical sum truth that you get in the media in NZ.
I agree we don't know all the facts, but I honestly believe there is nothing in this event that could come close to justifying what he did.

[Fatjim]

KD, its not that we don't know all the facts. All we really know is that a guy died, and that the cops chased him on the motorway. Once the cops lost sight of him (as soon as he left the motorway), the facts are at the descretion of the media. We seem to be judging him on what he did once the burger fuel employee unit standard of motorcycle speed measurement was used. And for crying out loud, I ride bikes and I can't tell how fast a bike is going when I'm eating a burger.

My point is, every time we read something in the papers on a subject we have personal experience on why see the bullshit flowing from the pages. We all know that facts do not get in the way of the story in NZ papers. Why treat this story with any more credence than any other?

I'm not going to judge the guy on something most of us have done to one degree or another, and certainly not untill the facts are in.

Also, Jim2 hit a nail on the head for me. If the cops lost sight of him getting off the motorway, why was he still going hell for leather at the end of the Newlans road he died on. The newspaper account doesn't add up. There's more to this story.

Oh, and btw, next time your reminising about the last time you did 200+kph out the back of Martinborough, just think what the farmers and their wives where thinking about you? Not many of us are blameless, just not unlucky. (Does that make sense?)

[JimO]

Someone died for nothing.


Skyryder

it was his choice, he could have stopped

[scumdog]

People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.

As for ranting, fuck me 9400 odd posts to your sorry ass, you've done a shitload of ranting on here yourself mate!

He did dumb arse shit and just beciause he died doing it does not make him any less an idiot.

And I believe you MEANT to say "fuck me, 9400 odd posts too, you're a sorry arse", glad to help.:bleh: (Or have I misread the rant?):msn-wink:

[Trudes]

I don't see what the debate and agro is about. A guy was speeding, he didn't pull over when asked to by the Police, he kept riding, they followed, he crashed and died. End of story. Personal responsibility and all that, he rolled the dice and took his chances, just like all of us do everytime we get on our bikes, unfortunately for him he paid the unltimate price for his decisions.

[wbks]

Holding up the USA as a bastion of justice and/or common sense is laughable. Deducting that point from his post is laughable
As for the gun crime remark, one would think that their insane gun laws are the source of their gun crime, not their system which deals with the aftermath...



New Zealand attitudes are really pathetically arrogant and if everyone was like that in "crowded" countries nobody would ever get anywhere!

I learned more about my own behaviour over there and was embarrassed and humbled on many an occasion and had to learn to fit in and go with the flow or go nowhere, it did me a lot of good and I am mild compared to the average New Zealander.

We really are impatient arrogant arseholes the way we behave toward one another, especially on our roads and the way we drive our vehicles.

Oh no, couldn't be... Shouldn't we be complaining about "the yanks" attitudes?...


He did dumb arse shit and just beciause he died doing it does not make him any less an idiot.
God forbid doing 150 through a township and running from the police should get you called an idiot...

I was pretty surprised to hear that you don't actually go to jail for running from the police the other day, I figured you'd get at least a month or two for it:(

[Kendog]

KD, its not that we don't know all the facts. All we really know is that a guy died, and that the cops chased him on the motorway. Once the cops lost sight of him (as soon as he left the motorway), the facts are at the descretion of the media. We seem to be judging him on what he did once the burger fuel employee unit standard of motorcycle speed measurement was used. And for crying out loud, I ride bikes and I can't tell how fast a bike is going when I'm eating a burger.

My point is, every time we read something in the papers on a subject we have personal experience on why see the bullshit flowing from the pages. We all know that facts do not get in the way of the story in NZ papers. Why treat this story with any more credence than any other?

I'm not going to judge the guy on something most of us have done to one degree or another, and certainly not untill the facts are in.

Also, Jim2 hit a nail on the head for me. If the cops lost sight of him getting off the motorway, why was he still going hell for leather at the end of the Newlans road he died on. The newspaper account doesn't add up. There's more to this story.

Oh, and btw, next time your reminising about the last time you did 200+kph out the back of Martinborough, just think what the farmers and their wives where thinking about you? Not many of us are blameless, just not unlucky. (Does that make sense?)

Again good points re the facts and speeding.
I have ridden over the speed limit in the past, it was a calculated choice I made based on the time, place and risk. It was still wrong and for what it's worth those days are long gone as I have discovered the joys of track riding.

I stand by my words however, anyone who runs from the cops in my mind is an idiot. There can be no other facts revealed that changes my mind.

[festus]

You can call me an idiot, a fuckwit..... whatever, I couldn't give a shit.

But running down a dead man, calling him names and the such.................gutless & low.................

[wbks]

You can call me an idiot, a fuckwit..... whatever, I couldn't give a shit.

But running down a dead man, calling him names and the such.................gutless & low.................

Some would argue that doing such speeds through a residential area isn't the pinnacle of modern morality, either. Same goes for attacking people for calling something like (most) see it

[scumdog]

Also, Jim2 hit a nail on the head for me. If the cops lost sight of him getting off the motorway, why was he still going hell for leather at the end of the Newlans road he died on. The newspaper account doesn't add up. There's more to this story.


How did he KNOW he had lost the Police?

Most likely (and the most common reason I have heard of) is they just want to get the hell out of the area as they know police radios are going flat-stick and cars are approaching from all over so they hit the back roads figuring no cops will be on them.

[Genestho]

NZ is pretty up there with it's homicide rate - and a lot of the times guns are not used.....well you don't have to on a baby, do you?
Last I looked we were 2nd or 3rd on the per-capita list? Cars are just as lethal maybe even more so, only difference is any idiot can access one eh...

[McJim]

How did he KNOW he had lost the Police?

Most likely (and the most common reason I have heard of) is they just want to get the hell out of the area as they know police radios are going flat-stick and cars are approaching from all over so they hit the back roads figuring no cops will be on them.

Everybody knows the cops don't travel on back roads. It's illegal. They must remain on State Highways at all times:p

[pritch]

"Winding up drongos for over 9,000 posts............"

It's still working then SD?