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Skyryder

11th February 2010, 18:42

Laava

11th February 2010, 18:59

Hard road being a politician! You will always find situations like this and there is no right answer. The guy had a good way of putting him on the spot even tho it looked like he was about to lose his rag. I didn't vote for him but we will never know, or can ever know how better or worse a labour govt would have done in this climate.
My advise? Do more cashies and give ACC the min you possibly can!

cs363

11th February 2010, 19:09

Funny, everyone wants higher wages but no one wants to pay the prices for goods that will go with them, we already have high prices due to the small volume of sales due to low population versus high compliance costs and higher wages than many parts of the world - just check out any thread on KB about the "cheap stuff you can buy overseas" and "what ripoffs NZ dealers and distributors are". Higher minimum wages will only push everything else up exponentially, doesn't concern me because I'm happy to pay a slightly higher price for many things and enjoy the relative lack of people and traffic, great scenery, beaches and everything else we enjoy about NZ. But you can already hear the moaning and wailing about higher prices coming.... and what about the incentive to improve your lot and get a better, higher paid job and so on?
Hypocritical wankers.

scissorhands

11th February 2010, 19:11

He must know its just that everyone wanted Helen gone rather than John in....I bet he only gets one term

High tech low volume high cost works a treat in Scandanavia

Skyryder

11th February 2010, 19:33

[QUOTE=scissorhands;1129645230]He must know its just that everyone wanted Helen gone rather than John in....I bet he only gets one term

High tech low volume high cost works a treat in Scandanavia[/QUOTE

There is a serious school of thought who shares you views. While Key has a large majority many of the seats could go to Labour with a small swing within the electorate. I've got some info on this somewhere on the my PC. When I get sometime I 'llsee if i can find it.

Skyyrder

davebullet

11th February 2010, 20:49

Girl gets $44 for 9 hours work? How old is she and what is she doing?

Good Dad supports her working. Pity if it costs him $x to and from to drop her off / pick her up.

Still, she's getting work experience and hopefully a reference for her next (better paying job).

I remember getting $2.87 per hour at Meadow Mushrooms - was many years ago though!

davebullet

11th February 2010, 20:49

cs363

11th February 2010, 21:20

He must know its just that everyone wanted Helen gone rather than John in....I bet he only gets one term

There's probably more than a grain of truth in that statement. Sad thing is that not one of the current political parties instil much confidence in me, there's some good people scattered here and there but they stand out like gems in a sea of shit, but mostly they are just swimming against the tide.

avgas

11th February 2010, 21:28

While I hate politicians, the guy key is talking to in this vid is a knob.
Why does his daughter get $9/hr:
- She is young
- She is unskilled
- The job does not require skills
- The job is only available at $9/hr
- If minimum wage was increased she may lose her job

Politicians are not super-human. In-fact they are barely human. To assume a politician will fix all his daughters problems tells me he lacks he core fundamentals to help his daughter in the first place.
Good they are working, bad that they assume the world owes them one.

popa griffin

11th February 2010, 22:19

scissorhands

11th February 2010, 22:24

Its usually only darkies working for shit money anyway, should feel lucky to be here, ungrateful sods

Pascal

12th February 2010, 07:03

He must know its just that everyone wanted Helen gone rather than John in....

That goes to show that it only took 9 years for the electorate to realise what a pack of thieving liars were at the top of the pile. And if it weren't for their political acumen at lying and abusing the Green Party and the Maori Party they would have been gone LONG ago.

Not such a big fan of John Key, but he is polling rather well and overall, if you check the various polls done ranging from Average Annual Mood through to the Preferred PM, Direction, etc. polls he is doing damn well. I suspect his recent direction shift on GST will affect things a bit though.

Enough to see Labour get back in? Fucking hope not. Last thing we need now when the country is beginning to recover is another Tax'n Splurge type government that will lie and steal from New Zealand.

Pascal

12th February 2010, 07:11

He must know its just that everyone wanted Helen gone rather than John in....

P.S. Here is another reason (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=270680698&permanent=0) why he resonates reasonably well with the average voter. He's almost normal and not ashamed of being human. And at least he drew it himself, unlike that other painting ...

Mully

12th February 2010, 08:06

I bet he only gets one term

I'm not convinced of that - with Phil Goff polling below "Margin of Error" in the Preferred PM stakes.

The trouble with Goff is that he sounds exactly like Helen Clark did. Even pauses in the middle of his sentances like she does

"The National Party. Has betrayed ordinary. New Zealanders. With this current policy."

And the same head movements when he pauses. It's a uncanny.

I'm not sure that Labour has anyone to put up in 2011 - well, anyone who wants the job right now. I suspect they're all waiting for Goff to lose 2011 to challenge for the leadership going into 2014.

Which is bad news for Labour voters, of course, but meh.

Swoop

12th February 2010, 09:26

That goes to show that it only took 9 years for the electorate to realise what a pack of thieving liars were at the top of the pile.

Last thing we need now when the country is beginning to recover is another Tax'n Splurge type government that will lie and steal from New Zealand.
The voters were bought at the last election that Liarbour "won". Remember the promised tax-cuts by cullen? A packet of chewing gum... in 3 years time!

Pixie

12th February 2010, 09:30

Its usually only darkies working for shit money anyway, should feel lucky to be here, ungrateful sods

Cheeky ones at that!

Skyryder

12th February 2010, 09:54

The guy's only sticking up for his daughter and trying to get a better deal for her and some on here slag him for that.

Skyryder

Drunken Monkey

12th February 2010, 09:56

Yes, because they believe his expectations to be unrealistic.

Pascal

12th February 2010, 10:20

The guy's only sticking up for his daughter and trying to get a better deal for her and some on here slag him for that.

Here's a thought.

Maybe the goal is not to raise the minimum wage, but to upskill and work your way into a position where you don't earn the minimum wage. That is a start. It is a baseline. The possibilities for his daughter is limitless. She has access to interest free student loans. She has the ability to do night classes. She can even go to a library and get some self help books and start learning herself.

The answer is not to "get a better deal for her", but for her to find a better deal. You can't just "raise the minimum wage" to suddenly solve that problem.

mynameis

12th February 2010, 11:12

I'm not convinced of that - with Phil Goff polling below "Margin of Error" in the Preferred PM stakes.

The trouble with Goff is that he sounds exactly like Helen Clark did. Even pauses in the middle of his sentances like she does

"The National Party. Has betrayed ordinary. New Zealanders. With this current policy."

And the same head movements when he pauses. It's a uncanny.

I'm not sure that Labour has anyone to put up in 2011 - well, anyone who wants the job right now. I suspect they're all waiting for Goff to lose 2011 to challenge for the leadership going into 2014.

Which is bad news for Labour voters, of course, but meh.

Plus he's got big scary ugly moles on his face. Like it's gonna jump out on you right now :lol:

Pedrostt500

12th February 2010, 20:34

My view is there will always be jobs that will pay minimum wage, ie Super Market shelf stackers, Super markets couldn't operate with out them, but neither afford to pay them $30 an hour. there will always be people for one reason or another who will take minimum wage, they are valuble for the Job they do, and in many casses make it possible for those of us on better wages to do the job we do.

cs363

13th February 2010, 20:28

Here's a thought.

Maybe the goal is not to raise the minimum wage, but to upskill and work your way into a position where you don't earn the minimum wage. That is a start. It is a baseline. The possibilities for his daughter is limitless. She has access to interest free student loans. She has the ability to do night classes. She can even go to a library and get some self help books and start learning herself.

The answer is not to "get a better deal for her", but for her to find a better deal. You can't just "raise the minimum wage" to suddenly solve that problem.

Precisely! :yes:

freedom-wedge

14th February 2010, 09:04

Yes, because they believe his expectations to be unrealistic.

Hes trying his best, and often we border on the unrealistic out of frustration, Its the political commentary that should be paid attention to

pedro

Dave Lobster

14th February 2010, 11:05

Hes trying his best

Maybe that isn't enough. If that's his best, she is probably better off standing on her own two feet, rather than his.

PrincessBandit

14th February 2010, 11:18

Kinda pales compared to the news proclaiming (that out of a poll of 700 people) John Key is no. 1 hot politician. (Yes, in terms of sexiness apparently).

Maybe they should redefine their parameters or qualifications for "hot".

PrincessBandit

14th February 2010, 11:33

As soon as my kids are born, im putting 20 dollers a week away into a bank account for them, till they either go to uni, or get an apprenticeship.
210 dollers a week doesnt sound like much, But add that up every week for 18ish years and that comes to a fair bit when you add taxes.

That should cover there uni expense and all that jazz.

Good for you. It's a hard environment out there for people looking for work, especially those leaving school. Heck, I wouldn't want to be going through it!
Also a problem I've noticed is that young people, while they obviously have to be able to afford to "live", seem to want maximum $ with little or no experience and have a penchant for living beyond their financial means. Now, that's a blanket generalisation so I apologise to those young people and their parents who live on limited income and do scrimp and save to make ends meet. But there are a lot who want to be able to have their own vehicle, party with their mates, live in their own place cos their style is too cramped by living with "the olds".

Our daughter would love to go flatting but she is finding the struggle to save and the temptation to spend making that a bit of a pipe dream at the moment. (Nah she just loves her mum and dad! - well that's what I keep telling myself!)

Skyryder

14th February 2010, 11:48

Its the political commentary that should be paid attention to

pedro

Precisely my point. Key does not even try and hide his hyprocracy. Some might see that as some form of honesty. I see it as one of indifference to the accepted norms of integrity.

Skyryder

Skyryder

14th February 2010, 11:51

Dave Lobster

14th February 2010, 20:21

how do we know that at home he has not toldl her the same.

I agree.. we SHOULD have listening devices in everyone's home, you'd whinge like a bastard.

avgas

15th February 2010, 22:35

Agreed. But dad is still only sticking up for his daughter and how do we know that at home he has not toldl her the same.
Doubt that. Something tells me if he told his daughter to upskill, and in the same hand tells key her wage is too low.......well its pretty much a no brainer.
What does he 'hope' that in future his daughter will get more money without completing her upskilling.
Sounds very much like telling someone to take the stairs while you try the escalator.
As for Key's commentary - if you trust ANYTHING a politician says, your a bigger fool that I......and I still lick 9v batteries.

Teava

16th February 2010, 10:36

Not sure i buy this video, alot of angles that we are not seeing.

First what Job does his daughter do?
How long has she been working there for?
Is she qualified? obviously not if shes 17.
Is she part time?

I think $9 an hour is pretty fair for a 17 year old.

All that raising the minimum wage will do is shut down small business and raise prices.

I think John Keys agrees that the minimum wage is low, but realizes the consequences on raising them, which is why he said "how do we get the wages higher".

scissorhands

16th February 2010, 11:04

he is a politician who is supposedly for the people but really for his wealthy mates

only a year, l newbie to the policical scene, used to be a high powered investment guy

who is qualified to be a politician? professional business men with friends or altruistic ethical people?

schmoozing with world leaders like obama and rudd when on tour, otherwise beehive boy fulltime

ah wait....i thought you were talking about key

If this government can do as they appear to state and achieve higher efficiency and improvements to a wasteful economic design then I salute them. Thats the usual rant from a new team though, a new broom.....

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Drunken Monkey

16th February 2010, 14:42

who is qualified to be a politician? professional business men with friends or altruistic ethical people?

Ideally you have a mix of both.

MisterD

16th February 2010, 17:08

who is qualified to be a politician? professional business men with friends or altruistic ethical people?
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See, that's where it all gets difficult. Take "Key's fatcat mate" Lord Ashcroft, who the likes of Skyryder and that "This weeks labour talking points"-Wedgie bloke seem to think is quite probably satan himself...but he was the bloke that put up the reward that got the medals back to the army museum, which rates pretty high on my altrusitic and ethical scale.

Skyryder would probably say that Sue Bradford was altruisitic and ethical...whereas people with a brain would probably label her as a dangerous communist harpy bent on returning the country to the stone age...