Refuelling whilst still mounted

[Hitcher]

Over the past week there have been a couple of letters to the editor of the Dominion Post from motorcyclists promulgating lame excuses as to why they have to remain astride their bikes to fuel them whilst pouring scorn, sarcasm and derision on forecourt attendants who may have had the gall to tell them to get off their bikes and fuel these on their sidestands.

The number one reason wankers like this have for not getting off is that their bike has some sort of "teardrop" tank that can't be filled to the brim unless they hold it upright. If this were true, what happens to the extra fuel once they put their bike back onto its sidestand when they go to pay for their gas? Have they measured the extra amount of fuel that they get into their tank during this procedure? I predict it's only an extra 250ml maximum.

And where do they think they're going to go on this bike once they've fuelled it? A non-stop ride of more than 200km? I suspect not. Most owners of bikes with "teardrop" tanks are unlikely to go anywhere near half that distance, and certainly not without going past another service station.

Gentle readers, this is Small Penis Syndrome at its finest.

I wonder what these nongs would do once their brimming tank overflowed, with spilled fuel finding a source of ignition. How quickly could they dismount? Does their pillion have to get off first? Would they return the gun to its slot in the bowser in the process? Would they position their bike onto its sidestand before dismounting? Is a service station forecourt a good place to deposit several litres of burning petrol? The answers are most likely: Quickly; unlikely; no; no; and no.

Are service station proprietors within their rights to insist on reasonable behaviours that are intended to protect the health and wellbeing of their patrons and premises? Of course they are.

Only wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.

[Mudfart]

lol sum good advice for me not to look like a tard wen refuelling, thanks!

[FJRider]

any spilled ... they (I assume) PAY for ... its their wallet it's coming out of.

[steve_t]

What if they actually want to set their nuts on fire? :laugh:
Come on, aren't the cool bikers all antiestablishment and stuff? Fight the man! And the man at the petrol station is the attendant ;)

[Genie]

filling up while astride, is that like eating while making love???
Just doesn't work. You gotta get off anyway and it's easier to do it from a standing postion, I can see inside betterer.

[Donor]

Only wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.

Wow, I'm a wanker.

Thanks for that.

[Genie]

all men are wankers.....at least once a week!

[Ratti]

all men are wankers.....

and if they're not they're fuckers

[Genie]

and if they're not they're fuckers

oh at least once a day.....

[rocketman1]

Yeah I saw some dude doing this, so i decided to try it, yeah you can get a little bit more fuel in, BUT as I was sitting on it the thought came to me that this is f..kn dangerous practice, as you say the likelyhood of the bike catching fire is minimal, but the consequences are extreme.
Never again...

For the record I ain't got a small one

[CookMySock]

Gentle readers, this is Small Penis Syndrome at its finest. [...] Only wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.What if it were someone else calling you a wanker for something you did?

Who gives a fuck what anyone else does. It doesn't affect you. Or me. Go and do whatever you choose.

Steve

[Kiwi Graham]

Only wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.

I dont think they would be wankers any more should any spilt fuel were to ignite in their lap ;)

[Berries]

Wow, I'm a wanker.

Me too apparently, because I simply can't be arsed. BP are the only stations down here I know of that tell you you should get off the bike. If the reasoning is the risk of overspill, ignition and fire I would be interested in knowing if it has ever happened before. I just go elsewhere, unlike Wellington wankers who write letters and post about it.

[Headbanger]

Can't see any harm in it, who cares where they sit when they fill her up? They are there to present money to the the non-service station, they should be grateful for the business and stfu.

Makes no difference to my day, In fact I can't think of anything or anyone it could make a difference to.

[Genie]

What if it were someone else calling you a wanker for something you did?

Who gives a fuck what anyone else does. It doesn't affect you. Or me. Go and do whatever you choose.

Steve


oh don't go starting this bullshit again....ffs!!!!

[kwaka_crasher]

I'll make my own judgements as to risk. I don't need some minimum-wage fuckwit telling me what to do. If they were smarter than me, they wouldn't be working there at 30 years of age.

How many people have been incinerated directly due to sitting on their bike while filling it with petrol from a petrol station nozzle? I'll wager ye that it's fuck all. I like that convenience:risk ratio.

[Genie]

Can't see any harm in it, who cares where they sit when they fill her up? They are there to present money to the the non-service station, they should be grateful for the business and stfu.

Makes no difference to my day, In fact I can't think of anything or anyone it could make a difference to.


the harm...harm!!! Think of the bike, you could very well scratch the tank!!!

[steve_t]

This is really just the helmets in the service station thread again. If you don't like the policy of the business, let your money do the talking and go elsewhere. Simple :niceone:

[quickbuck]

filling up while astride, is that like eating while making love???
Just doesn't work. ........it's easier to do it from a standing postion, .......

Wow, Really??

[Hitcher]

What if it were someone else calling you a wanker for something you did?

Who gives a fuck what anyone else does. It doesn't affect you. Or me. Go and do whatever you choose.

You're missing the point, Mr Barsteward. These sexually self-contained folks are moaning about being told by service station attendants to cease and desist, and wrapping this up in a whole bunch of tosh about filling their tanks to the brim.

[nosebleed]

Meh. I always gas up while sitting on my bike(s). Just something I did when I started riding, and now it's just habit.
So far the only area I've found that enforces the dismount rule - is Tauranga.

The extra fuel that is 'squeezed' into the area below the cap is contained when the cap is closed and the tank is sealed, just like filling a fuel can for the lawnmower, closing the cap, and tilting the container on it's side.
No complications, and my crotch hasn't caught fire.

As for the masties, no set rules there, but I'm not going tp stop just because a forecourt attendant thinks it's a H+S issue

[Hitcher]

I'll make my own judgements as to risk. I don't need some minimum-wage fuckwit telling me what to do. If they were smarter than me, they wouldn't be working there at 30 years of age.

How many people have been incinerated directly due to sitting on their bike while filling it with petrol from a petrol station nozzle? I'll wager ye that it's fuck all. I like that convenience:risk ratio.

You buy gas from somebody, you do it on their terms. And in many cases people's intellect isn't a function of how much they get paid, ask any PhD.

[red mermaid]

Its there petrol stn.

If you dont like there rules, go somewhere else.

[Hitcher]

The extra fuel that is 'squeezed' into the area at the cap is contained when the cap is closed and the tank is sealed, just like filling a fuel can for the lawnmower, closing the cap, and tilting the container on it's side.
No complications, and my crotch hasn't caught fire.

As a matter of scientific interest, what's the longest distance you routinely travel in one trip?

[Edbear]

Interesting thread. I think I have always sat astride while filling from my first bike way back in '73. My C50T only has a sidestand and I lean it on that while I fill as the filler is on the right side of the tank and it won't fill to the top unless it's on the stand.

I guess the point about safety is valid and I'll try hopping off the bike next time to see if it makes any difference to the ease of use. I haven't ever been asked to get off the bike in all the years I've ridden, although it has crossed my mind as to whether the attendant may think I was going to do a runner by staying seated...

[peasea]

filling up while astride, is that like eating while making love???

Let me explain..............................

[Ixion]

The issue of filling capacity when on the sidestand is certainly a valid one. And more so on bikes with a left hand side filler cap. One of mine will take about an extra 3 litres if I gently coax it into the level tank.

That three litres is important. Three litres is over 30km. The difference between pushing 30km and riding 30 km is no small matter (and my riding distance on almost all bikes is dictated by fuel capacity).

Of course, if modern bikes did not have such absurdly small fuel tanks (NONE of mine are more than a measly 24 litre) ; and if modern bikes did not have such nonsensically high fuel consumption, then the probalme would be less press ing (passant, I am pleased to report that my scrap iron collection has finally settled down to a reasonable 80mpg. I think this not too bad in modern traffic, at highish speeds)

Seldom however does any of this cause me much worry. One word. Centrestands, FTW.

[peasea]

As a matter of scientific interest, what's the longest distance you routinely travel in one trip?

For me a trip would mean leaving home for a w/e or longer. In which case I'd easily go 4-600k's each way, whatever. I often use more than one tank in a day-trip too.

For the record though, I have filled up while sitting on my bike and did it not so long ago but generally speaking it's actually easier to see what's going on if I stand to the right with the bars tipped to the left. I do this for my own peace of mind (to prevent spillage) not because the pump jockeys have issues. I do, however, understand that it would be a lot easier for someone to do a runner if they were still sitting on the bike. It's like the 'helmet on when you pay' thing. Sometimes I do, if I'm in a hurry and have cash in hand, either they want my money or they don't. I wouldn't EFT/POS a tankful in my lid though.

[Subike]

Next time you go into a SHELL SHOP
have a look at the list of things posted on a plackard next to the pumps.
Along with cell phones, ciggys. non regulation containers, is a pic of a bike with the rider astride it.
I know what Ixon states re the last three liters is true,
So because it is a point of sale, and it is posted not to do it, they can request you to dismount or move on.
Personally, I dismount, I have had petrol burns from spilt fuel in the past on tender skin....( ex car dismantler)
You do not want to have a pair of very very uncomfortable balls under your leathers whilst you make an quick run to the dunny to try and wash away the irritation.

[peasea]

I'll make my own judgements as to risk. I don't need some minimum-wage fuckwit telling me what to do. If they were smarter than me, they wouldn't be working there at 30 years of age.

How many people have been incinerated directly due to sitting on their bike while filling it with petrol from a petrol station nozzle? I'll wager ye that it's fuck all. I like that convenience:risk ratio.

I think the petrol companies would be more worried about riders doing a runner than setting themselves on fire.

[Spearfish]

I have no choice, the cap is under the seat .

[YellowDog]

Overfilling or spilling fuel on the paintwork is a big no no for me.

I suppose that on a smaller bike it might be an option however I'd rather have it all under full control; hence the centrestand.

If the filling station management say no, then the answer and their right is to say no.

[CookMySock]

You're missing the point, Mr Barsteward. These sexually self-contained folks are moaning about being told by service station attendants to cease and desist, and wrapping this up in a whole bunch of tosh about filling their tanks to the brim.Yawn, uh uh, its you missing the point. You are calling people "small penis" and "wankers" about refueling. Think about it. Perhaps you have nothing interesting to do?

Go get the hacksaw and file out and make something. It'll cheer you up too.

Steve

[Motu]

My memory is not too good these days,but I think I nearly always got off the bike.Back in the days before self serve and we could pay for fuel with the few coins in our pockets,I may have sat on the bike.With a left hand filler I usually pull the bike up straight,then put the handle back in the pump,and then cap it.No problem,unless it's a BMW with a ''twang'' sidestand....but then they always have centre stands....unless they have a homemade 2 into one.

[nosebleed]

As a matter of scientific interest, what's the longest distance you routinely travel in one trip?

Just for clarification; I "fill to the brim" more because I hate fuel-stops, rather than a sense of eeking out a maximum distance:fuel-load ratio.

But to answer your question (I assume you mean between stops, not the distance of the journey itself); 180 - 200k's.

[pzkpfw]

I can't fill my bike while sitting on it, because my enormous penis gets in the way.

[BMWST?]

and if they're not they're fuckers

or 1o char liars

[Genie]

I can't fill my bike while sitting on it, because my enormous penis gets in the way.

oh stop bloody skyting (spelling). and as they say PICS!!!!

[Genie]

Yawn, uh uh, its you missing the point. You are calling people "small penis" and "wankers" about refueling. Think about it. Perhaps you have nothing interesting to do?

Go get the hacksaw and file out and make something. It'll cheer you up too.

Steve


just when i thought you might have stopped spouting.....there you burst forth like a sewage pipe

[Elysium]

Danger of over-spill? So why do the petrol stations not give a shit about the twit who splt diesel after fuelng their 4 x 4 but go agro because a rider want to fill his tank?

In any case fueling was mounted helps keep the queues moving when you have hundreds of bikes trying to use the same station after a bike meeting....then again wont matter when you go to pay and some idiot wants a latte, cuppichino and that other assorted rubbish they have at those BP cafes.

[FJRider]

I can't fill my bike while sitting on it, because my enormous penis gets in the way.

I have an enormous one too ... but I call it a "tank bag" just like everybody else ...

[Ronin]

What if it were someone else calling you a wanker for something you did?

Who gives a fuck what anyone else does. It doesn't affect you. Or me. Go and do whatever you choose.

Steve

Would it make it better if he said "In my opinion"?

[Ronin]

I'll make my own judgements as to risk. I don't need some minimum-wage fuckwit telling me what to do. If they were smarter than me, they wouldn't be working there at 30 years of age.

How many people have been incinerated directly due to sitting on their bike while filling it with petrol from a petrol station nozzle? I'll wager ye that it's fuck all. I like that convenience:risk ratio.

So your comfortable with them coming into your place of work and doing something you deem to be dangerous?

[quickbuck]

In any case fueling was mounted helps keep the queues moving when you have hundreds of bikes trying to use the same station after a bike meeting.....
Really?
What is wrong with:
Close Cap
Hang up Nozzle
PUSH Bike out of the way
Walk inside and pay.

Vs
Close Cap
Hang up Nozzle
Waddle, while pushing crutch into tank, clear of pump
Put down side stand
Dismount bike
Walk inside and pay....


Oh, yup I see.... All clear now, carry on.

[davebullet]

Mate of mine overfilled his Ninja 250 and it spluttered to a stop abouit 3 ks later. Something about an overfull tank blocking the breather hose causing back pressure to stop feeding the carbs or some such.

Gently resting my bike on its sidestand can leave it very upright (due to the new slightly saggy GSXR shock), hence can pack more in.

I usually leave my penis in my pants though when refuelling. Don't want to get confused and hang it back up instead of the pump handle.

[kwaka_crasher]

So your comfortable with them coming into your place of work and doing something you deem to be dangerous?

Such as? Riding your bike on the road is infinitely more dangerous than filling it with petrol while sitting down.


You buy gas from somebody, you do it on their terms. And in many cases people's intellect isn't a function of how much they get paid, ask any PhD.

No. They don't get to dictate to me how I go about installing or using their product as long as what I do is lawful. And that is final.

So you reckon they're just kicking back, working in a petrol station, waiting for the next NASA recruitment drive? :lol:

[Oakie]

I refuel whilst seated simply because I find it easier to do it that way.

[ckai]

filling up while astride, is that like eating while making love???
Just doesn't work.

OK, since no one else has...I gotta disagree so would my wife. Shit, what eating are you talking about?

First things first. Wouldn't a dude that keeps straddled while fueling, then reaches over, while still straddled, and hangs up the handle, have an easier chance of buggering off without paying?

On a purer economic stand, if I owned a stationed, I would request they get off. At least if staff were on the court they'll have more chance of stopping a drive away if they're off the bike.

Me personally, it doesn't feel right. One hose near my crutch is more than enough.

[Ronin]

Such as? Riding your bike on the road is infinitely more dangerous than filling it with petrol while sitting down.



No. They don't get to dictate to me how I go about installing or using their product as long as what I do is lawful. And that is final.

So you reckon they're just kicking back, working in a petrol station, waiting for the next NASA recruitment drive? :lol:

Your related to dpex right? what is it with the absolute hatred of authority? Out of curiosity, and I'm serious about this, are you a cop hater?

If you don't like the rules then don't shop there. Easy.

[Ronin]

double post

[tigertim20]

Over the past week there have been a couple of letters to the editor of the Dominion Post from motorcyclists promulgating lame excuses as to why they have to remain astride their bikes to fuel them whilst pouring scorn, sarcasm and derision on forecourt attendants who may have had the gall to tell them to get off their bikes and fuel these on their sidestands.

The number one reason wankers like this have for not getting off is that their bike has some sort of "teardrop" tank that can't be filled to the brim unless they hold it upright. If this were true, what happens to the extra fuel once they put their bike back onto its sidestand when they go to pay for their gas? Have they measured the extra amount of fuel that they get into their tank during this procedure? I predict it's only an extra 250ml maximum.

And where do they think they're going to go on this bike once they've fuelled it? A non-stop ride of more than 200km? I suspect not. Most owners of bikes with "teardrop" tanks are unlikely to go anywhere near half that distance, and certainly not without going past another service station.

Gentle readers, this is Small Penis Syndrome at its finest.

I wonder what these nongs would do once their brimming tank overflowed, with spilled fuel finding a source of ignition. How quickly could they dismount? Does their pillion have to get off first? Would they return the gun to its slot in the bowser in the process? Would they position their bike onto its sidestand before dismounting? Is a service station forecourt a good place to deposit several litres of burning petrol? The answers are most likely: Quickly; unlikely; no; no; and no.

Are service station proprietors within their rights to insist on reasonable behaviours that are intended to protect the health and wellbeing of their patrons and premises? Of course they are.

Only wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.

perhaps you are just a lazy cunt cos you chuck your keys on the bedside table when you get home instead of putting them on a hook screwed into the wall by the door.... why do you really give a fuck how people fill their tanks? why not whinge about the people who cant actually fill a vehicle, and actually require someone to come and do it for them? now THAT is something that is almost worth wanking on mindlessly about :)

[Hitcher]

perhaps you are just a lazy cunt cos you chuck your keys on the bedside table when you get home instead of putting them on a hook screwed into the wall by the door.... why do you really give a fuck how people fill their tanks? why not whinge about the people who cant actually fill a vehicle, and actually require someone to come and do it for them? now THAT is something that is almost worth wanking on mindlessly about :)

What I do in the privacy of my own home is my own business. Abiding by the requirements of fuel retailers regarding the safe handling of flammable liquids on their premises is a different matter entirely.

Also if part of the "service" involves getting somebody else to supervise the filling of your vehicle, at no charge, what's wrong with that? There's nothing worse than getting diesel on your Jimmy Choos.

[avgas]

Such as? Riding your bike on the road is infinitely more dangerous than filling it with petrol while sitting down.
Depends if you smoke

[Cracker]

I was born with an ego, came from my mother
it won't go away
i love riding bikes, and sitting in the seat filling the bugger right up with fuel
i am the problem
sorry, can't be fixed

[avgas]

For the record I don't eat a pie while fucking the mrs.
This is probably why I feel unsafe filling the tank of the vehicle while remaining in/on it.

I do see their point though - they have to have some basic rules so that worse case scenarios don't happen. Similar to a speed limit.
You may be perfectly safe doing 200kph......but then some squid on a 250 will wipe out at 120kph.
Likewise you may find it perfectly safe to refill while seated on the bike........but then some knob will do the same, slip, drop the bike, drop the cigarette he was smoking, drop his cellphone he was talking on to grab for something, grab the pump handle, dump fuel all over the court-yard......BOOM........Te Rapa Servo just became a crater.

And before you say "Thats bullshit, no one is that stupid, that would never happen!" remember
...........your talking on KB

[tigertim20]

What I do in the privacy of my own home is my own business. Abiding by the requirements of fuel retailers regarding the safe handling of flammable liquids on their premises is a different matter entirely.

Also if part of the "service" involves getting somebody else to supervise the filling of your vehicle, at no charge, what's wrong with that? There's nothing worse than getting diesel on your Jimmy Choos.
it isnt a dangerous practice, dear god, what kind of a PC world are we coming to!?!?!?

I worked at a petrol station for 18months when working through school. never did my boss, nor any of my coworkers have an issue with filling while straddled.
the only remotely relevant argument ive ever heard is that some people may forget to put the stand down and drop the bike when getting off to go pay, however thats a void argument in my opinion, putting the stand down is something you do when physically getting off the bike, has nothing to do with filling or not.
as for driveoffs, well if theyre gonna do it, theyll do it. plenty of people get off, fill up, then fuck off without paying.

mountain out of a molehill.

[avgas]

I was born with an ego, came from my mother
it won't go away
i love riding bikes, and sitting in the seat filling the bugger right up with fuel
i am the problem
sorry, can't be fixed
Don't worry you can be. Step 1 is realising you have a problem, Step 2 is feeling the learn lol
I used to ride in bus lanes - fucked if I will ever do that again.

[sugilite]

My bike has a wide flat top, I can get another 1.7 liters in if I straddle it (I'm kinda tall). I then leave dvke and riding my favourite route, the next gas station is in Martinborough, I need that 1.7 liters. I can usually straddle without hassle, even at the local BP, but on the rare occasion they take issue (only one particular attendant) I just hold the bike upright and fill with the other hand. I know, hardly ideal, but being a racer, I'm used to handling bikes in such a way (such as putting bike on race stand etc)
Where the stations have the rule posted, there is no point swearing at the poor old attendant, they have managers to answer to in order to keep their jobs. So to swear at them is as Mr Hitcher points out, very wankerish indeed.

[Maha]

just when i thought you might have stopped spouting.....there you burst forth like a sewage pipe

Thats cos' all Whippy Van owners leave thier deisel engines running while whipping and twirling ya'll a 99% fat free cone!

They dont care about the fumes lapping the very thing that you are about lick....na ah...:oi-grr:

[swbarnett]

You buy gas from somebody, you do it on their terms.
What ever happened to "The customer is always right"?

[jonbuoy]

Seems a bit petty to get wound up about it, I used to have to do tedius amounts of filling stops touring on the Fartstorm with no fuel guage every bit of fuel I could squeeze into the tiny tank counted so upright fueling it was. Some customs chops have stupidly small tanks so I can see their point.

[golfmade]

I have to get up off my scooter, as the fuel tank is right in front and a bit below my crotch and I don't like Taiwanese people enough for them to stick a big object that expels fluids right there while I'm on it.

[LBD]

What ever happened to "The customer is always right"?

Not when the customer is placing them selves and others at risk....

And if any one else has had the pleasure (Bad choice of words) of spilling petrol in their crutch....that stuff burns soft tender skin. I will never sit on my bike when refueling.

[avgas]

What ever happened to "The customer is always right"?
That was killed off with common sense

[Lurch]

I get the impression that a number of people in this thread are the kind that if staying as a guest in your house and were asked not to shit in their bed, would propmtly go to bed, shit in it and then fuck your wife. Just because they are too cool to listen to the rules of the establishment.

[Berries]

Hardly. It is their business and they get to choose the rules whether it is to get off the bike or to take your helmet off when paying. Fair enough. You can always go to another petrol station if it is an issue, which it is to me so I do. I don't intend writing to the newspaper or starting a thread about it though. I am having a laugh at all the people who can't control a fuel nozzle though ffs.

[Grubber]

Yawn, uh uh, its you missing the point. You are calling people "small penis" and "wankers" about refueling. Think about it. Perhaps you have nothing interesting to do?

Go get the hacksaw and file out and make something. It'll cheer you up too.

Steve

You just don't go away do ya....:yawn:


I can't fill my bike while sitting on it, because my enormous penis gets in the way.

There are just some things we don't need to know!

just when i thought you might have stopped spouting.....there you burst forth like a sewage pipe

And there is just some things that need to be said about ...yawn...the same shit from the same people.That would be the person you are presently insulting Genie,

[Swoop]

Once upon a time in a land far far away, or really, directly under our feet...
A "Service Station" did provide service. You would sit in your car, have the petrol pumped for you and your windscreen was washed, both by the attendant. He would take your money and return with the change.
Bikes would also be offered "service", but that has gone along with carless days, common sense and a lot of other things.

Having a bike with both stands, the centre stand gets used for fuelling. Interestingly there is a petrol difference of 50kms between the two when fuelled. That is appreciated when out for a "pootle".

Personal thought. The gas stations are more concerned with the drive-off risk. Over the years I have never seen a bike (or car for that matter) on fire at a petrol station.
If there is a certain place where motorvehicles regularly burst into flames, please let me know.

[Headbanger]

I get the impression that a number of people in this thread are the kind that if staying as a guest in your house and were asked not to shit in their bed, would promptly go to bed, shit in it and then fuck your wife. Just because they are too cool to listen to the rules of the establishment.

All-riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, For my next trip I'm staying at that place.

woohhooo....can't wait to shit the bed.

[firefighter]

I wonder what these nongs would do once their brimming tank overflowed, with spilled fuel finding a source of ignition. How quickly could they dismount? Does their pillion have to get off first? Would they return the gun to its slot in the bowser in the process? Would they position their bike onto its sidestand before dismounting? Is a service station forecourt a good place to deposit several litres of burning petrol? The answers are most likely: Quickly; unlikely; no; no; and no..

I always sit on my bike when I fill up. I pull up to the pump, take off my gloves, flick down my stand, re-set my trip meter, open up the tank and fill it. I do'nt care about getting more gas in, I just find it easy to fill it this way and find it convenient.......I don't have to get up off my arse!

For the record, you would have to be some kind of absolute fucktard, to spill that much fuel all over yourself, forecourt etc, and miraculously find an ignition source.(or any fuel at all for that matter) I've never been to such a call. Maybe cars and bikes spontaneously combust a lot more easily in your area? Or perhaps petrol in your area has a much lower flashpoint than up here in Auckland, and I was lucky when I followed this same practise filling in Wellington last year?


service station proprietors within their rights to insist on reasonable behaviours that are intended to protect the health and wellbeing of their patrons and premises? Of course they are.

Actually, i'd say it's because of drive-offs rather than anything else.


wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.

At least once a day, but do'nt tell anyone.

[Swoop]

I've never been to such a call.
Thank you. Nice to hear that from someone with your background.

[Redan]

Honestly, do they have laws or just recomendation about this?
I have never never heard about tank station people not wanting me to fuel up my bike sitting down!
(Here in sweden)
Btw, i do ofcorse pee standing as a manly man!

[awayatc]

it takes a wank expert to call somebody a wanker.........

Glad to see some very knowledgeable masturbating specialists spouting their life experiences on this thread......

I guess I will just have to accept their opinions, since I am not familiar with the subject.....

[duckonin]

Hitcher if your close to your bike on it or off it and the fuel spilt finds a source of ignition you would be completely fucked any how, plus those around you, it is a dangerous substance, but strangely no person needs to do a safety course....

[Skyryder]

Me too apparently, because I simply can't be arsed. BP are the only stations down here I know of that tell you you should get off the bike. If the reasoning is the risk of overspill, ignition and fire I would be interested in knowing if it has ever happened before. I just go elsewhere, unlike Wellington wankers who write letters and post about it.

Don't know about overspill etc but bikes have been known to be rear-ended. So what ya gonna do when ya sitting astride on ya bike filing up and some dipshit rear-ends ya and ya get pinned underneath with an open tank with petrol pouring all over you. Dipshit clown is a smoker with a fag hanging out of mouth he races over to see if you are all right and yep you guessed it ......................poof actually its whoooooooooff.

Biking is about reducing risks. Thisis one risk that those that sit astride their bikes to fill can rfeduce. Jeezzz ya gota get off to pay so why not before instead of after.

With your attitude it'll be more luck than 'risk managment' if you live to reach my age.


Skyryder

PS Good post Hitch. Tried to bling but its the spready rep thing. Take this post instead.

[BoristheBiter]

filling up while astride, is that like eating while making love???
Just doesn't work. You gotta get off anyway and it's easier to do it from a standing postion, I can see inside betterer.

depends on what you are eating ;)

[Ixion]

Not really relevant since the issue remains the same if you are standing beside it. probably more so, since standing beside the bike, keeping it balanced with one hand while filling with the other is less stable than sitting on it.

Though personally I always dismount to fill, just force of habit. And short arms.

[BoristheBiter]

I get off to fill the tank, just always have.

i know how many k's i can get from the tank while on the stand so fill up acordingly.
don't now what all the fuss is about, you still have to get off to pay and at the end of the day thats what they care about.

[vifferman]

[QUOTE=Edbear;1129645259 I'll try hopping off the bike next time to see if it makes any difference to the ease of use.[/QUOTE]
I've only tried filling up while seated only once with the current bike, and it was SO fkn awkward, I didn't bother again.

[DEATH_INC.]

I didn't realize it was sooo f***ing hard to get off and fill the bike. Do you guys ride it inside to pay for the gas too? :rolleyes:

[firefighter]

Jesus Murphy has been cruel to some of you! Maybe those that concerned at the practise, should stop riding altogether, you're 16 times more likely to die in an accident than if you were in a cage remember!

Who gives a shit. If someone wants to sit on their bike while they fill it that's their deal. I do it, but I could'nt give a shit about having to get off it either. Most of the time I stay on, reach over and top up, sometimes I get off. Maybe I have superhuman balance I really don't find it difficult at all. :rolleyes: (yes those knob-jockeys going on about tear-drop tanks were, well, knob jockeys)

Is this countries current affairs really this boring today?

Maybe a massive roll of bubblewrap would come in handy for some of you? :crybaby:

"So what ya gonna do when ya sitting astride on ya bike filing up and some dipshit rear-ends ya and ya get pinned underneath with an open tank with petrol pouring all over you. Dipshit clown is a smoker with a fag hanging out of mouth he races over to see if you are all right and yep you guessed it ......................poof actually its whoooooooooff."

What a fucken joke. Final destination is a movie, not a documentary. If you live your life this worried I dunno how you get on, on ya bike. It must be a slow trip to get anywhere.

I ca'nt believe this is actually an issue?!!!! :eek5:

[firefighter]

I didn't realize it was sooo f***ing hard to get off and fill the bike. Do you guys ride it inside to pay for the gas too? :rolleyes:

Now that's an idea! I for one hate the fact that they got rid of eftpos at the pump.......probably why i'm a fat baaastard!

[firefighter]

it takes a wank expert.


I have a PhD in this said subject. :laugh::rofl::killingme

[steve_t]

For the record, you would have to be some kind of absolute fucktard, to spill that much fuel all over yourself, forecourt etc, and miraculously find an ignition source.(or any fuel at all for that matter) I've never been to such a call. Maybe cars and bikes spontaneously combust a lot more easily in your area? Or perhaps petrol in your area has a much lower flashpoint than up here in Auckland, and I was lucky when I followed this same practise filling in Wellington last year?



Serious question, have there been many incidences of fires at petrol stations in NZ caused by smokers and cell phones?

[firefighter]

Serious question, have there been many incidences of fires at petrol stations in NZ caused by smokers and cell phones?

I have'nt heard of any, but that does'nt mean it has'nt happened. I for one don't use my cell phone at the servo. Oh, and if someone had a lit ciggie near me at the servo i'd make sure it was put out.

Ones I have heard of started from a fault with the car itself, rather than fuel vapours igniting. Again, that does'nt mean it has'nt happened. I have a faint recall of radio waves being blamed initially, but from memory it was determined as being something else in the end.

[Badjelly]

Only wankers remain seated on their bikes when they refuel them.

Who says men can't multi-task?

[Headbanger]

I have been thinking,

And I have devised a system of pressure pads, gates, lights, spotters, spikes,a emu, anti-tank guns, space lasers, a roll of bubble wrap and your mum to turn up and hold your hand while you fill up.

This may protect you if some madman smashes you off your bike, you get trapped under it, and he then sets you on fire. IT COULD HAPPEN.

Also, A meteorite could hit the earth, melting the icecaps, releasing a 10 million year old mosquito who could then fly to NZ, bite you while you fill up your bike, and give you Malaria.

Seriously, IT COULD HAPPEN....Luckily...we have space cannons in place.

[blackdog]

Mate of mine overfilled his Ninja 250 and it spluttered to a stop abouit 3 ks later. Something about an overfull tank blocking the breather hose causing back pressure to stop feeding the carbs or some such.

.

inherent problem with 250 bandits also

[blackdog]

apparently the biggest ignition risk when filling is static electricity, and this can/does happen (1 in 100,000,000?)

therefore i reckon if your wearing leather you should be ok, if u wearing synthetics i'd be inclined to dismount...

really though, 6 pages of debate? (or is that mass debate)

[Hitcher]

What ever happened to "The customer is always right"?

It's that adage that has fucked many businesses for way too long. In many cases customers have no idea what they want, so how can they be right?

[kwaka_crasher]

Your related to dpex right? what is it with the absolute hatred of authority?

In this instance, what authority? They don't have the authority to tell me I can't sit on my bike to fill it any more than they have the right to tell you to take off your pink tutu to fill yours lest the static electricity causes a spark. The risk is entirely perceived, not actual.


Out of curiosity, and I'm serious about this, are you a cop hater?

Not at all. What I hate is bullshit laws and I'll ignore them - it's my duty as a citizen to do so. If then extra bullshit laws are made in an attempt to stop me ignoring the first ones, I'll ignore them too. Cops are there to enforce the laws, right or wrong. If they can live with being a mindless drone just doing what they're told, that's their problem, not mine. I'll just continue on regardless.


If you don't like the rules then don't shop there. Easy.

They don't get to make the 'rules'.

[red mermaid]

Its there private property and they also have obligations under the Health and Safety in Employment Act, and there equipment so they do get to make the rules.




In this instance, what authority? They don't have the authority to tell me I can't sit on my bike to fill it any more than they have the right to tell you to take off your pink tutu to fill yours lest the static electricity causes a spark. The risk is entirely perceived, not actual.

Cops are not mindless drones. They are doing a job that you do not sound capable of doing, and away from work live a normal life.


Not at all. What I hate is bullshit laws and I'll ignore them - it's my duty as a citizen to do so. If then extra bullshit laws are made in an attempt to stop me ignoring the first ones, I'll ignore them too. Cops are there to enforce the laws, right or wrong. If they can live with being a mindless drone just doing what they're told, that's their problem, not mine. I'll just continue on regardless.

As above, there place so they do get to make the rules.

They don't get to make the 'rules'.

[steve_t]

Not at all. What I hate is bullshit laws and I'll ignore them - it's my duty as a citizen to do so. If then extra bullshit laws are made in an attempt to stop me ignoring the first ones, I'll ignore them too. Cops are there to enforce the laws, right or wrong. If they can live with being a mindless drone just doing what they're told, that's their problem, not mine. I'll just continue on regardless.



They don't get to make the 'rules'.

Seriously? You just ignore the laws you deem to be bullshit? I wonder how society would work if everyone thought the same way. It's your duty as a citizen?

How do you figure that the people who own the business don't get to make the rules about how you, the customer, are to behave in their place of business?

[kwaka_crasher]

Its there private property and they also have obligations under the Health and Safety in Employment Act, and there equipment so they do get to make the rules.

There is considerably more risk of you slipping and injuring yourself on the diesel that is left on the forecourt around the pumps. Once they mitigate that clearly demonstrable actual risk, I'll consider their request that I help mitigate their psuedo-risk.

I ask again... how many people have ever been injured or how much property has been lost directly from this practice?

And the word is "their" not "there". Both times.


Cops are not mindless drones. They are doing a job that you do not sound capable of doing, and away from work live a normal life.

Most are. They subscribe to the philosophy that the rules are the rules and must be obeyed, no matter how ridiculous. At least, that applies to the public anyway.

It's a job I wouldn't want to do - it would conflict with my personal belief that you should actually think. Luckily, there are plenty of people that don't much care for thinking, but love being the bully.

[kwaka_crasher]

Seriously? You just ignore the laws you deem to be bullshit? I wonder how society would work if everyone thought the same way. It's your duty as a citizen?

Fucken' right it's my duty as a citizen to ignore dumb laws. Society would be much better off if everyone did it. But I guess you'll never see that because you're too wrapped up in 'obey the rules' mentality. I hope they make a law telling everyone to jump off the harbour bridge.


How do you figure that the people who own the business don't get to make the rules about how you are to behave in their place of business?

See the pink tutu post.

[Lurch]

Jesus Christ, I'm not sure who I hate more: the whiny bubble wrappers or the self important ignorant cunts.. It's a toughy.

[Berries]

Biking is about reducing risks. Thisis one risk that those that sit astride their bikes to fill can rfeduce. Jeezzz ya gota get off to pay so why not before instead of after.

With your attitude it'll be more luck than 'risk managment' if you live to reach my age.

Bollocks. How many people have been burnt alive in rear ends at petrol stations ? I've never seen it happen in my 20 something years of riding. If I wanted to reduce the risk I'd get a car. Seriously, I think there are many other ways you are likely to get injured with a bike than some spontaneous combustion episode on the forecourt.

[Ixion]

Fucken' right it's my duty as a citizen to ignore dumb laws. Society would be much better off if everyone did it. But i guess you'll never see that because you're too wrapped up in 'obey the rules' mentality. I hope they make a law telling everyone to jump off the harbour bridge.





Well, the entirety of the USA is founded upon such a philosophy. If it was good enough for Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, Tom Jefferson, etc ......

[red mermaid]

And who gets to define what a "dumb" law is?

You? Yeah right!

[kwaka_crasher]

And who gets to define what a "dumb" law is?

You? Yeah right!

Who gets to define what a good law is? Self serving Politicians? Yeah, right!

[steve_t]

Fucken' right it's my duty as a citizen to ignore dumb laws. Society would be much better off if everyone did it. But i guess you'll never see that because you're too wrapped up in 'obey the rules' mentality. I hope they make a law telling everyone to jump off the harbour bridge.



"Of course I plead not guilty to murder your honour. It's a stupid law. If a man looks at my bike or my missus in a way that I deem not cool, I should have every right to slit the dickhead's throat. It's my duty as a citizen to ignore stupid laws."
Not saying that's you but it could be someone else with a "I have every right to choose which laws to obey" mindset. OK, maybe a bit extreme relative to the current topic of sitting on your bike while refilling but you get the idea ;)

[steve_t]

Well, the entirety of the USA is founded upon such a philosophy. If it was good enough for Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, Tom Jefferson, etc ......

I thought it was the ability to be able to say you're doing one thing but actually do another. That's what South Park said anyway ;) rabble rabble

[kwaka_crasher]

"Of course I plead not guilty to murder your honour. It's a stupid law. If a man looks at my bike or my missus in a way that I deem not cool, I should have every right to slit the dickhead's throat. It's my duty as a citizen to ignore stupid laws."
Not saying that's you but it could be someone else with a "I have every right to choose which laws to obey" mindset. OK, maybe a bit extreme relative to the current topic of sitting on your bike while refilling but you get the idea ;)

The difference is damage has been done - there is an injured (is dead injured?) party.

What is the injury caused by me filling my bike while sitting on it?

[BoristheBiter]

"Of course I plead not guilty to murder your honour. It's a stupid law. If a man looks at my bike or my missus in a way that I deem not cool, I should have every right to slit the dickhead's throat. It's my duty as a citizen to ignore stupid laws."
Not saying that's you but it could be someone else with a "I have every right to choose which laws to obey" mindset. OK, maybe a bit extreme relative to the current topic of sitting on your bike while refilling but you get the idea ;)

Beat me too it but i would have changed "dickhead" with kwaka_crasher

[steve_t]

The difference is damage has been done - there is an injured (is dead injured?) party.

What is the injury caused by me filling my bike while sitting on it?

Yeah, fair point.
Where do you stand on seeing people on cell phones and smoking on the forecourt of petrol stations?

[Lurch]

The difference is damage has been done - there is an injured (is dead injured?) party.

What is the injury caused by me filling my bike while sitting on it?

Genius! The guys who crashed the planes into the Twin Towers weren't guilty of terrorism until AFTER they impacted. lol

[BoristheBiter]

Genius! The guys who crashed the planes into the Twin Towers weren't guilty of terrorism until AFTER they did it. lol

and with kwaka_crasher's way of thinking the terroists weren't terroists because they think it is a dumb law.

[kwaka_crasher]

Where do you stand on seeing people on cell phones and smoking on the forecourt of petrol stations?

I wouldn't do either. I'm too busy preventing petrol from pouring into my lap... :bleh:

Cigarette is a real potential ignition source for the fumes so you'd have to be pretty silly to do that. Even under ideal conditions it'd still be a freak occurance that you'd get a cellphone to trigger an explosion so I have no problem with that.

I don't have a problem with people talking on cellphones while driving either as long they fulfill their driving obligations to other road users. Some people can manage it, some can't.


Beat me too it but i would have changed "dickhead" with kwaka_crasher

Baaaaaa baaaaaaa... we need a sheep emoticon...

I expect most things 'beat' you.

[kwaka_crasher]

Genius! The guys who crashed the planes into the Twin Towers weren't guilty of terrorism until AFTER they impacted. lol

Intent is a key element. You can look the words up if you like - I won't think any less of you.

[kwaka_crasher]

and with kwaka_crasher's way of thinking the terroists weren't terroists because they think it is a dumb law.

Dumb laws are made for dumb people. No wonder you have no problem with them.

[Lurch]

Intent is a key element. You can look the words up if you like - I won't think any less of you.

Laws/Rules are sometimes created to keep stupid people from hurting themselves/others and also to keep people from doing so on private property where the gubbermint would fuck them and or their business over for having let them be idiots.

[blackdog]

Even under ideal conditions it'd still be a freak occurance that you'd get a cellphone to trigger an explosion so I have no problem with that.



re tutu post

static that can ignite fuel when refuelling astride your bike is a very real threat (albeit a miniscule one)

http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/static.asp

cellphones not so much

http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

[pritch]

Wow! Some hereabout need to get some fresh air.

Possibly they should also worry a little less about what other people are doing. F'rinstance someone might espouse the view that it is entirely the prerogative of the rider to wear whatever they wish while riding, regardless of how inappropriate that may appear to others. The rationale presumably being that protective clothing, or the lack thereof, is entirely the business of the rider.

For a person holding the former view to then dismiss anyone who fills the bike while seated as a wanker is at best inconsistent. That there are risks in filling the tank while seated is evident, but surely it is again up to the rider to do their own risk assesment. Or not?

I used to do the filling while seated thing when I had the Hornet because by doing that I could make it to Nauruwahia before the reserve light came on. That was preferable to having the light come on at some indeterminate point in the middle of nowhere which tended to induce an unwanted frisson of tension.

The VFR had a centre stand - problem solved.

I don't do it on the Ducati because the tank is a bitch to fill at the best of times so I try to keep it simple.


NB None of the foregoing should be interpreted as an indication that I'm likely to be any less inconsistent than anybody else hereabout. :whistle:

[swbarnett]

Not when the customer is placing them selves and others at risk....
The trouble is that what is risky is very subjective and the current climate has gone way too far the wrong way IMO. Really, what are the odds of this sort of accident happening? Also, the rider is the one primarily at risk so they should be the one to judge the risk and what they are willing to accept.

[swbarnett]

I get the impression that a number of people in this thread are the kind that if staying as a guest in your house and were asked not to shit in their bed, would propmtly go to bed, shit in it and then fuck your wife. Just because they are too cool to listen to the rules of the establishment.
Please remember the destinction between guest and paying customer. Besides, we're talking about personal risk, not willfull damage. Sitting while refuelling hurts noone.

[peasea]

someone might espouse the view that it is entirely the prerogative of the rider to wear whatever they wish while riding, regardless of how inappropriate that may appear to others. The rationale presumably being that protective clothing, or the lack thereof, is entirely the business of the rider.


I actually agree with the sentiment. How does it go? "Let those who ride decide." I wear a helmet mainly coz I have to, sometimes it's fun to go without but not because it's my rebel side coming out, it's just fun, it feels good. But I only do it occasionally and on back roads with little, if any, traffic.

There's a guy who rides around Nelson in shorts and another in gum boots but if I got sprung I'd be the one getting the ticket. Weird place, NZ.

[Lurch]

Please remember the destinction between guest and paying customer.

AHAH! Here is the problem in peoples attitudes!

Although the business owner might not be someone you like, and may in fact be someone you find repulsive due to their Jabba the Hut extravagant riches you are still a guest on their property and they are providing a service to you that most times you should be grateful for.

[swbarnett]

It's that adage that has fucked many businesses for way too long.
And it's this attitude that's responsible for the demise of "service" in the service industries. How is pleasing the customer bad for business?

In many cases customers have no idea what they want, so how can they be right?
Agreed, part of my job is to tell the customer what they need (irrespective of what they want). However, in the end, even if I think it's not the best solution, if I can't convince them otherwise, what they want, they get. This is the secret of return business.

[swbarnett]

AHAH! Here is the problem in peoples attitudes!

Although the business owner might not be someone you like, and may in fact be someone you find repulsive due to their Jabba the Hut extravagant riches you are still a guest on their property and they are providing a service to you that most times you should be grateful for.
Yes, I am a guest on their premises. Also, they are a guest in my wallet. What is required is mutual respect. I respect them for providing the go juice for my passion. In return I expect respect from them for allowing them to take money in return. Telling me to get off my bike while refuelling is not respectful. It's base on flawed logic and a prediction of an event that has less chance of ocurring than being hit by a meteor. You don't see forecourts with meteor-proof roofs so why try and mitigate a lesser risk?

BTW: I am grateful for the service that they offer (even if there's not much "service" left).

[Toaster]

i dont think they would be wankers any more should any spilt fuel were to ignite in their lap ;)

goodness gracious great balls of fire!!!!!

[Badjelly]

Well, the entirety of the USA is founded upon such a philosophy. If it was good enough for Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, Tom Jefferson, etc ......

And look how they turned out!

[Toaster]

Jesus Christ, I'm not sure who I hate more: the whiny bubble wrappers or the self important ignorant cunts.. It's a toughy.

Almost worth doing a poll.

[FROSTY]

I usually fill my bike sitting on it.(if its a splash n go I dont bother. Usually though its because Im off on a ride to empty the tank. Reason being that extra gas gets me another 50k's outa town. If servo man takes exception hey no worries His forecourt his rules. But Im going to another servo next and all fillups after-as is my choice.
Not that I give a shit but has anyone in New Zealand ever caught on fire as a result of filling up astride their steed?
Or in Australasia?

[blackdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdcPeW1XwKs&feature=PlayList&p=25EC2EDE2D920B0A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

and there you have it.

im thinking the chances of being hit by a meteor are quite a bit less likely (couldnt find any videos of that) :rofl:

still reckon the chances are about 1 in 1,000,000,000 but it CAN happen, and i suppose servo owners have the right to do whatever they like to prevent it

[MaxB]

Back in the day (and Im not that old) you could sit on the bike and they would fill it for you. Give em 20 bucks and you were on your way. I even got coffee and a moro bar brought out to me by one service station. Bloody handy if you were on a 24 hr rally.

I reckon it was because you had a lot of independents in those days. Today the big 4 control most fuel outlets and the service has gone down the shitter. Pre pay just treats us all like we are thieving coonts when in fact most of us are not. Imagine going into a nice restaurant and being asked to pay for meals in advance.

[Spearfish]

There was/is a program called Myth Busters they tried the lighting a fire from cellphone thing and couldn't get it to work, but then they also dispelled the myth of getting zapped taking a leak on an electric train track. I must be true it was on TV...

[ynot slow]

I usually fill my bike sitting on it.(if its a splash n go I dont bother. Usually though its because Im off on a ride to empty the tank. Reason being that extra gas gets me another 50k's outa town. If servo man takes exception hey no worries His forecourt his rules. But Im going to another servo next and all fillups after-as is my choice.
Not that I give a shit but has anyone in New Zealand ever caught on fire as a result of filling up astride their steed?
Or in Australasia?

My personal opinion as well,although not worried about the extra fuel as I fill to neck on tank.But yesterday I was refilling and sitting on MY bike,tap on shoulder(hey they have service staff)by lady pointing to sign,and asked that I hop off my bike.So I did and politely asked as I turned my cell phone off if the other(forcourt had 6 cars)people might turn their phones off,due to one rule for bikes and non for cars.My thought is my bike is more stable with me on it refilling than on the stand,or with me holding the bike,and yes I had removed my helmet and gloves so was obvious I wasn't going to do a runner.

[swbarnett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdcPeW1XwKs&feature=PlayList&p=25EC2EDE2D920B0A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

and there you have it.

im thinking the chances of being hit by a meteor are quite a bit less likely (couldnt find any videos of that) :rofl:

still reckon the chances are about 1 in 1,000,000,000 but it CAN happen, and i suppose servo owners have the right to do whatever they like to prevent it
Actually quite a bit less likely than that.

The problem that they're both so unlikely that they're not worth worrying about (and effectively impossible to calculate). Society is worrying about increasingly inane risks. It's gotten to the point that we're now worrying about things that aren't risks at all simply to have something to worry about. Enough is enough. Worry about your own risks and leave me to mine.

[Flip]

Serious question, have there been many incidences of fires at petrol stations in NZ caused by smokers and cell phones?

None, the cause of filling fires is usually always static electricity. A static discharge through the gun generated by you or the pumping of the liquid discharging exactly in the right place in the fuel and air mixture to the vehicle.

[Flip]

The service stations are required by law to take all practical steps to minimize the risk to their employees. They fill thousands of vehicles each day you only go there once a week.

Fueling fires do occur from time to time. Usually caused by a static discharge to earth, ever got a wack from a car, I had a ford that did it all the time. This has enough energy here to easily ignite petrol vapor. One funny think is Women cause 80% of all fueling fires because they wear more nylon and synthetic static generating clothes. I have seen video of a smoker who dropped his ciggy right into the filler and caused a fire but it is relatively rare.

Three reasons the buggers want you off the bike; one its easy to topple a bike over when reaching for the filler they don't want you damaging their $25k disperser, ( they have the vid and they will go you for the damage) two in the event of a tank fire you can not step back and out of danger and three when the petrol tank catches on fire you jump and spray burning petrol every where, you are usually strongly motivated to get the hell away from it, you normally drop the burning bike and then they have a much bigger fire to deal with. Trust me they hate putting out burning customers.

[Mikkel]

Just one thought: most tanks have a over-flow tube. Some of the extra stuff one might be able to get into the tank while sitting astride is going to run out that way when you get off your bike to pay for your petrol anyway. That seems a bit wasteful to me.

There's not too much reason to be concerned about petrol spills, unlike diesel they evaporate rather quickly - but it is a waste of money... your money, so I don't care too much.


And in many cases people's intellect isn't a function of how much they get paid, ask any PhD.

We can safely conclude that intellect is not at all a function of how much you get paid - your could pay an Ignorant Clown one million dollars a day and it wouldn't make him any brighter. In fact it would be much more interesting to investigate the correlation between fall in intellect upon acquiring wealth. Plenty of hypotheses to explain why that may actually be the case - and plenty of celebrity cases to back it up too.

But no, you do not go into research because you want to become rich!


Next time you go into a SHELL SHOP
have a look at the list of things posted on a plackard next to the pumps.
Along with cell phones, ciggys. non regulation containers, is a pic of a bike with the rider astride it.

Well, the cell phone issue is most definitely nonsense. If one of the prohibitions are obviously ridiculous then it isn't entirely illogical to question the others...


So you reckon they're just kicking back, working in a petrol station, waiting for the next NASA recruitment drive? :lol:

No, most of them would most likely already have gotten into touch with NASA's smaller cousins - AirNZ, Quatas, Singapore Airlines, etc. You know, to go where there actually are plentiful jobs and decent salaries.


double post

You know you can delete your posts right? Click "Edit Post" and then "Go Advanced" - the option is at the top.


What ever happened to "The customer is always right"?

Just as much bullshit as "Cellphones are a fire hazard".


I have a PhD in this said subject. :laugh::rofl::killingme

You should have an even higher qualification than that - after all, a PhD in experimental physics shouldn't take much more than 3.5 years. :D


apparently the biggest ignition risk when filling is static electricity, and this can/does happen (1 in 100,000,000?)

therefore i reckon if your wearing leather you should be ok, if u wearing synthetics i'd be inclined to dismount...

Generally speaking, you should be pretty safe from static electricity on a bike. The main generator of static electricity in fuel fires is the rubbing of clothing against the seat upholstery.


Seriously? You just ignore the laws you deem to be bullshit? I wonder how society would work if everyone thought the same way. It's your duty as a citizen?

Indeed, civil disobedience is your duty. If no one had ever challenged the system then we'd probably still be under feudal rule - most likely no better off than slaves. (Some would argue that we are still, to a large extent, slaves - but at least we have more options and privileges.)


rcellphones not so much

http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

Indeed, the cellphone panic is utter bullshit. I look at my cellphone battery and it says 3.7 V - sweet fuck all. I have had the "pleasure" of dealing with an irate and ignorant forecourt attendant on this subject. She thought I was rude because I said it was superstition and asked her to stop wasting my time. I thought she was rude for disturbing me while on the phone. Guess there's two sides to every story, but hey...


None, the cause of filling fires is usually always static electricity. A static discharge through the gun generated by you or the pumping of the liquid discharging exactly in the right place in the fuel and air mixture to the vehicle.

Usually always? :scratch:

I thought that the insulating handle of the fuel gun would prevent any static discharge you might have accumulated from drawing a spark between gun and car...

[ac3_snow]

I found myself not so pleasntly surprised when I was told off for having the fuel can still on the tray of my ute in stead of taking it out and placing it on the ground. Aperntly it could not earth out any static electricty if it was still on the back of my ute (this had caused a coupla fires previously). Interesting I thought
Its not always the case but there is generally a reason for such things (ie not to be aloud to fill bike whilst seated)

[howdamnhard]

and if they're not they're fuckers

So which is better , Wankers or Fuckers ? ha,ha(where are those damn emoticons when you need them).

[howdamnhard]

[
QUOTE=Mikkel;1129647097]Just one thought: most tanks have a over-flow tube. Some of the extra stuff one might be able to get into the tank while sitting astride is going to run out that way when you get off your bike to pay for your petrol anyway.
.Ye I learnt that very quickly on my new bike after the first time I refuelled it,big puddle under it after coming back from paying. One of the reasons I refuel with the bike on its sidestand


I thought that the insulating handle of the fuel gun would prevent any static discharge you might have accumulated from drawing a spark between gun and car...[/QUOTE] Yes it should insulate you from the gun. A potential difference can still exist between the gun and vehicle though.

[LBD]

Why run the unnecessary risk? For those who want a read on cellphones...Urban myth maybe yes maybe no...The U tube one is quite good

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http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa062399.htm

[oldrider]

Over the years I have never seen a bike (or car for that matter) on fire at a petrol station.

Well, in 56 years of riding I have seen this only once and it was a guy doing exactly that, sitting on his hot bike and overfilling the tank! (Late 1950's it was, I was still an apprentice)

The fuel caught fire and he was badly burnt and the bike was destroyed when he dropped it and raced around like a man possessed, SCREAMING his bloody head off!

The service station owner put his fire and the bike out while an ambulance took the biker away to the Lower Hutt hospital.

I was not on my bike but was driving my mighty 1937 Austin seven "convertible" at the time!

I think about it sometimes and wonder how his sex life has been compared to mine over all those years!

(I also think about a girl my age who had polio as a kid and spent the rest of her life in an iron lung at Burwood hospital too! I was one of the lucky ones! ) :eek5:

I don't and have never been told not to, fill my bike while still sitting on it but not entirely because of that incident though!

I will (and do) wear my helmet when I go in to pay if I feel like it! (flip front helmet, they can see I'm an old cunt FFS!)

Tigers have a 24 litre tank and if you overfill them with a hot engine, the heat expands the cold fuel and it just gets pushed out of the overflow pipe all over the road and gets wasted!

This is especially noticeable if you get held up inside the servo paying for the fuel and come out to a bloody great puddle of discharged petrol under your bike...not a good look and "I" have just paid for it!!!!!! :crazy:

It's not rocket science to work out the odds of how bad it would be to be that one in thousands who got their bits burned off for fuck all gain, is it! :confused: Well, is it? :blip:

[Pixie]

I'll make my own judgements as to risk. I don't need some minimum-wage fuckwit telling me what to do. If they were smarter than me, they wouldn't be working there at 30 years of age.

How many people have been incinerated directly due to sitting on their bike while filling it with petrol from a petrol station nozzle? I'll wager ye that it's fuck all. I like that convenience:risk ratio.

Similar argument to NZTA's defense of cheesecutters."how many motorcyclists have they killed"

[Big Dave]

I find that it's run 10 pages is more interesting than the topic!

It only needed that one dufus moment and the pain of a ride home with burning testicles from spilled fuel to convince me to get off the bike. If you've ever got linament or deep heat on the 'nads during injury treatment you have some idea of the discomfort an errant groin full of 95 induces.

[Kickaha]

If you've ever got linament or deep heat on the 'nads during injury treatment you have some idea of the discomfort an errant groin full of 95 induces.

Do you think 91 would be easier on them?

[Pixie]

I usually fill my bike sitting on it.(if its a splash n go I dont bother. Usually though its because Im off on a ride to empty the tank. Reason being that extra gas gets me another 50k's outa town. If servo man takes exception hey no worries His forecourt his rules. But Im going to another servo next and all fillups after-as is my choice.
Not that I give a shit but has anyone in New Zealand ever caught on fire as a result of filling up astride their steed?
Or in Australasia?

Shit you've got an economical bike.What is it? A Scunthorpe Weasehound?
To get an extra 50 km on my bike,I've got to squeeze an extra 3 litres of gas into it.

[FROSTY]

Yamaha xj750/900.the way the fuel cap "mount" is desighned when it seems to be full you have another couple of litres to go. Not worth bothering if just riding round town, well worth it if heading to mangawhai to visit my folks or ridin to taupo/tauranga.

[Big Dave]

Do you think 91 would be easier on them?

Of course. They may ping under load however.

[NordieBoy]

Next time you go into a SHELL SHOP have a look at the list of things posted on a plackard next to the pumps.
Along with cell phones, ciggys. non regulation containers, is a pic of a bike with the rider astride it.

Usually a pic of a fullface helmet and a road bike...

[pritch]

Of course. They may ping under load however.

Sorry, gotta share the love...

We all like to do our own risk assessments. Many though are not particularly good at this, it's probably possible to find smokers who worry about terrorist attacks.
Never mind the "Hold my beer and watch this..." types.

[Mikkel]

Yes it should insulate you from the gun. A potential difference can still exist between the gun and vehicle though.

Yes, but if the nozzle of the gun is insulated from you - then the spark has to be drawn from you to earth - not nozzle to earth. I am pretty confident that the fuel pumps are well grounded and as such no static charge should be able to accumulate on them. The nozzle will in most cases make contact with the vehicle before you start pouring the fuel - so any static charge on the car should be grounded before you start pouring.


Why run the unnecessary risk? For those who want a read on cellphones...Urban myth maybe yes maybe no...The U tube one is quite good

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa062399.htm

Nice video - but it doesn't reflect the reality of filling a vehicle very well. The aluminium foil acts as an antennae with lots and lots of very small gaps. The antennae will pick up some of the energy (very little energy mind) contained within the radio signal from the cellphone and potential differences across these narrow gaps may cause a spark to occur. It's pretty much the same as what happens when you put metal in a microwave oven - albeit at a much lower power.

Yes, the cellphone signal may well deposit minuscule amounts of energy into conductors around you. Unless there's a tiny gap of just the right size in exactly the right place relative to your fuel vapour/air concentration gradient nothing is going to happen.

If you worry about starting fires with your cellphone then don't use it. I suggest that you also abstain from operating any vehicle whatsoever, make sure you don't live near power cables, take great care not to burn any of your food and sleep in a coffin (very few people have died lying in coffins, the same can not be said for beds)!


Tigers have a 24 litre tank and if you overfill them with a hot engine, the heat expands the cold fuel and it just gets pushed out of the overflow pipe all over the road and gets wasted!

This is especially noticeable if you get held up inside the servo paying for the fuel and come out to a bloody great puddle of discharged petrol under your bike...not a good look and "I" have just paid for it!!!!!! :crazy:

The thermal expansion coefficient of petrol is in the order of 1.0x10^-3/°C, which means that for every 10°C temperature difference the volume will change approximately by 1%, e.g. heat 10 litres by 20°C and it will expand to a volume of 10.2 litres.

On my bike I actually get to a point where I can keep on putting in petrol at a very slow rate - the level doesn't change. The petrol just goes down the overflow hose - and it takes a little while for it to actually get all the way through the hose to the ground.

[awayatc]

So basicly if you fill up your cellphone at Shell without taking your helmet off your balls may get painfully burned if you are a wanker.....?
Got it.....

[steve_t]

Of course. They may ping under load however.

ROFL. Might need to install a knock sensor

[FROSTY]

HMMMM--a thought --strictly for arguements sake. Biker1 sitts astride his beasty which is on its rubber clad wheels and him wearing boots with rubber soles. Biker two has METAL sidestand firmly onto concrete. Ida thought that with an electrical ground being there the likelyhood of a cuircuit was greater with stand down.

[sleemanj]

HMMMM--a thought --strictly for arguements sake. Biker1 sitts astride his beasty which is on its rubber clad wheels and him wearing boots with rubber soles. Biker two has METAL sidestand firmly onto concrete. Ida thought that with an electrical ground being there the likelyhood of a cuircuit was greater with stand down.

I'm no sparky, but it's more about the potential static charge difference between the two. If you rub your feet on a nylon carpet to build up a static charge, your victim doesn't have to be grounded to get zapped, and if they are grounded, they still get zapped if you're not :-)

If your bike WAS grounded then there'd be less chance of a discharge, because you've already equalised the charge with the pump before hooking up.

But a stand onto concrete, I unless it's pissing down with rain, I doubt you're well grounded.

To summarise, you want to make sure the potential is the same, best practice would be to touch the nozzle to the bike, away from tank opening, before you start pumping. That way any static spark isn't going to ignite potential fumes in the tank.

Doesn't stop you overfilling and pouring gas all over a hot engine and your nether regions though :)

[BoristheBiter]

HMMMM--a thought --strictly for arguements sake. Biker1 sitts astride his beasty which is on its rubber clad wheels and him wearing boots with rubber soles. Biker two has METAL sidestand firmly onto concrete. Ida thought that with an electrical ground being there the likelyhood of a cuircuit was greater with stand down.

unless your bike does not have a battery then it has the - side to ground, +/- thing, yes even if it is turned off

[Mikkel]

So basicly if you fill up your cellphone at Shell without taking your helmet off your balls may get painfully burned if you are a wanker.....?
Got it.....

Burning your balls as a wanker is doubly unfortunate since there won't be anyone around to lick them for you! :yes:

[LBD]

Of course. They may ping under load however.

Pre ignition or firing too early.....

[avgas]

I get off the bike to have a stretch and probably couldn't reach the pump from the seat anyway. Then I walk in with helmet on and ignore that sign to take my helmet off.
I am still waiting to be asked to remove the helmet. Then I will be pissed off.

What a rebel, good thing you don't wear it backwards like all the cool kids.
You push those limits

[sinned]

What a rebel, good thing you don't wear it backwards like all the cool kids.
You push those limits Sometimes I scare myself.

[avgas]

Back in the day (and Im not that old) you could sit on the bike and they would fill it for you
Drive thoughs aye. Did they have trouble getting through the underwear?

[avgas]

Not that I give a shit but has anyone in New Zealand ever caught on fire as a result of filling up astride their steed?
Or in Australasia?
*Queitly waits for someone to admit they lit their own balls on fire*
....
Nope Frosty, seems no one has ever done this - or they wont admit to it. Lets try something easier, then work our way up.
"How many of you ride honda's?"
"How many of you had relations with your mum?"
....
Ok now the hard one
"How many of you lit your own balls on fire?"

[Big Dave]

Pre ignition or firing too early.....

Well I know it definitely wasn't too cold a plug. I'm a Methodist.

[Lurch]

"How many of you had relations with your mum?"
....
Ok now the hard one
"How many of you lit your own balls on fire?"

Dude, yer starting to dig yourself a pretty deep hole. I love to troll forums after a few beers but it might be time to stop. :apint:

[avgas]

Dude, yer starting to dig yourself a pretty deep hole. I love to troll forums after a few beers but it might be time to stop. :apint:
Nah just really pointing out that "public concensus" is not really a consensus of anything if no one wants to admit to it.
I keep combustables the hell away from my lads. Yet I quite frequently torch the rest of my body.
Fire is fun, but it is also dangerous. Being a bit of a pyro you learn this pretty quickly.
I am still yet to hear from anyone outside of "Jackass" who says they have lit their own balls on fire. But that does not exactly mean it hasn't happened.

[YellowDog]

As mentioned earlier, the stability issue is a good reason not to do it. You maybe happy that you mobile phone in your pocket won't ignite the tank (it might though) but if a wasp was to fly into your helmet and sting you, which is quite possile over the summer months, then you could panic and fall over with your bike.

[Ixion]

But were stability the issue the rule would be "Bikes must be on stands when being filled". If I don't have a centre stand, I just hold the bike upright whilst standing beside. No rule against that, yet it's arguably a lot less stable than sitting astride.

Also, I've had pants doused with petrol whilst filling beside the bike. If you overfill or it blows back it's going to go over you no matter what, by definition you have to be close to the fuel filler.

[Old Steve]

Who cares if some riders want to sit astride their rides while refuelling, it's their choice. And I wouldn't consider the risk of fire from spilt fuel to be too high either, when was the last reported forecourt fire?

However, I should point out that petrol vaporises down to -40 deg C and when it does vaporise it takes a large amount of latent heat of evaporation from it's surroundings. Which in the case of a motorcyclist refuelling astride their bike is their genitalia. Petrol in contact with human skin, especially sensitive skin, can be extremely painful.

Personally, I wouldn't do it. Big one or not.

[motorbyclist]

I haven't thought about it much and just sit on my bike despite the warnings.

There are several reasons not to fill up whilst sitting on your bike


First and foremost, petrol + genatalia = pain
Bikes are small and cagers are blind - what if some numpty drives into your bike while you're on it? You end up with a hot bike pouring fuel all overitself, and you're covered in gas too... heck you might even be under the bike that's now starting to smoke. If you were standing aside your bike you could have been more visible and possibly saved it - either way your person is much better off and maybe the bike too. Yes I have had this almost happen to me but they stopped about a foot short; if I wasn't next to my bike they would've travelled much more than an extra foot before seeing me
forecourts can be slippery from spillages, your stand will maintain good grip whilst you boot may not. see above point about bikes falling on you.
There's potential for a spark caused by static electricity while filling, that would otherwise be grounded by the stand. That said my Honda has a tank electrically isolated from the chassis.
Most tanks have overflows, and I know my fuel cap isn't fuel proof and on my older honda it doesn't even have a proper lip to keep fuel in at all - overfill means overspill
It gives you a chance to observe your surroundings - I for one have been told off for using a cellphone in a gas station forecourt because the building had no signal inside it. The attendant was giving an automated response and said it was for fire safety, but I reckon the actual rule was in place because idiots like me stand in the middle of a forecourt oblivious to our surroundings. (If you can find a single documented case of a phone starting a fire I'll buy you a beer.)
If you didn't prepay and still have your helmet on, what's to stop you simply riding off with the fuel? Unfortunately they can't take that risk (think about it petrol thieves probably wouldn't be above fake or stolen plates either)

My point here is if we think about these things they don't antagonise customers for the sake of it: there are reasons


Makes no difference to my day, In fact I can't think of anything or anyone it could make a difference to.
well there's the poor attendants getting told by the manager to go deal with that grumpy biker over there, and there's bound to be an ongoing ACC claim from some biker who hurt themselves in this way.....

[Berries]

There are several reasons not to fill up whilst sitting on your bike

Like ?

After 11 pages I am still waiting to hear one other than being such a spastic that you overfill the tank or are one of the many hundred rear ends that occur on garage forecourts every day. I can't believe people who get off their bikes to fill up are getting so wound up about those that don't.


Worry about your own risks and leave me to mine.

What he said.

EDIT - As if by magic after I posted you added some content to your post so I now look like a dick and have to respond. All your points, except number 7, are perfectly valid. On my daily internal risk analysis starting with not breaking my leg getting out of bed or electrocuting myself on the toaster, through not getting killed on the ride to work, or getting food poisoning at lunch time, they just don't feature. Some risks are so small that they are not worth worrying about, IMHO, so I don't. I'll worry about the bigger ones thank you.

[motorbyclist]

Like ?


sorry, hit the save button rather than "go advanced" to get the list option

try again and address all of them

[Headbanger]

From a hazard identification and management perspective, In the scenario put forward of the car hitting the bike I would nominate the car as the hazard, and systems would be put in place to manage traffic flow to the pump making the situation impossible.

All the rubbish about straddling the bike and spilling petrol on your nuts is just babble if it relies on a car taking you out first. Likewise the fire, The real world occurrence is so low it doesn't rate, sure have controls in place for the event of a fire but controls in place to regulate sitting on the bike due to it being a fire hazard.Pffft.

[Berries]

sorry, hit the save button rather than "go advanced" to get the list option

try again and address all of them

I'd appear too pedantic if I did that now. Basically, people hold different views of what certain risks mean to them and you'll never change their perceptions. Nothing I read on this subject will stop me doing what I have been doing since I got a bike in the 80's. It's a habit now. The only thing that will stop it is if every garage told me to get off, but I can't see that happening as the risk, in the overall scheme of things, is so small.

[Pixie]

HMMMM--a thought --strictly for arguements sake. Biker1 sitts astride his beasty which is on its rubber clad wheels and him wearing boots with rubber soles. Biker two has METAL sidestand firmly onto concrete. Ida thought that with an electrical ground being there the likelyhood of a cuircuit was greater with stand down.

Grounding doesn't need to have anything to do with it.
You can develop a potential difference between you and the car you are driving when your clothing rubs against the synthetic seat upholstery.Then the potential equalises when you touch the metal of the car and you get a shock.You might be wearing rubber gumboots and the car is on rubber tyres but you will still get a shock.

Earlier this year there was a case of a woman who's car went up in flames on the news.So don't think it doesn't happen.

As for the few extra ml that you think you get with the bike upright.Well I got sick of weighting for my brother to argue with the gas station staff that refused to allow him fill his bike with him sitting on it.So I proved that,in the case of the 2005 Bandit 1200,there is no difference in the amount the tank will accept whether the bike is on it's sidestand or upright.

The one thing that can be said for filling the bike while astride it,is that there is less chance the rider will put the pump hose in the wrong hole.This tendency may be a problem for some of the posters on this thread.

[slowpoke]

It gives you a chance to observe your surroundings - I for one have been told off for using a cellphone in a gas station forecourt because the building had no signal inside it. The attendant was giving an automated response and said it was for fire safety, but I reckon the actual rule was in place because idiots like me stand in the middle of a forecourt oblivious to our surroundings. (If you can find a single documented case of a phone starting a fire I'll buy you a beer.)

Working in the hydrocarbon industry I can tell you that I've seen a video during a safety presentation of a mobile phone triggering an explosion. It was at a gas station too, as a tanker operator used the phone in close proximity to an open tank. If you are caught with a mobile phone out in the plant on my facility it would be a sacking offence.

[motorbyclist]

Working in the hydrocarbon industry I can tell you that I've seen a video during a safety presentation of a mobile phone triggering an explosion. It was at a gas station too, as a tanker operator used the phone in close proximity to an open tank. If you are caught with a mobile phone out in the plant on my facility it would be a sacking offence.

bugger - guess I owe you a beer then!

[avgas]

I can't believe people who get off their bikes to fill up are getting so wound up about those that don't.
Yeah you people who want to prevent being harmed while somone learns the hard way. Keep your mouth shut and just avoid the idiot with the highly flamable substance......
heh

[Qkkid]

Wow, I'm a wanker.

Thanks for that.

:oi-grr: No Hitchers a wanker for saying we are wankers ;)

[Big Dave]

Hitchers!!!.... Hitchers!!!!

Innnnnccccoooommmiiinnnngggg!!!!!!!

[Headbanger]

Righto, The upshot of filling the bike while sitting upon it was too good to ignore, so even though it had never occurred to me before this thread I gave it a try.

And the result was 1.2 extra litres in the speed triple, Fucking fantastic, wish I had been wised up to the concept earlier.

***This just in***

While sitting on the bike I was not rear-ended, pinned under the bike, splashed with petrol or set on fire, For a split second I was convinced this was happening but it was just a seagull.

[Berries]

Unwittingly however you became a wanker :slap:

[Headbanger]

Unwittingly however you became a wanker :slap:

I dedicated my life to the dark art many moons ago......

[Skyryder]

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[DEATH_INC.]

I still can't understand why people can't respect the wishes of the business owner/operator? Why is it such a problem? Why should he/she need a reason? Surely people haven't become THAT self centered!

[steve_t]

I still can't understand why people can't respect the wishes of the business owner/operator? Why is it such a problem? Why should he/she need a reason? Surely people haven't become THAT self centered!

Cos they believe that if they pay money, they should be able to do whatever the fuck they like

[Mikkel]

I still can't understand why people can't respect the wishes of the business owner/operator? Why is it such a problem? Why should he/she need a reason? Surely people haven't become THAT self centered!

Stupidity needs challenging whenever encountered. Plain and simple, if not contested, bullshit and political correctness will know no bounds. ...and it is already bad enough as it is.

That's not to say that I can see any real merit to sitting astride your bike while refueling. Seems like a bad idea to me, but hey I'm not going to tell you how to live your life.

[Headbanger]

I still can't understand why people can't respect the wishes of the business owner/operator? Why is it such a problem? Why should he/she need a reason? Surely people haven't become THAT self centered!

We Bad, We Nationwide

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[Mikkel]

We Bad, We Nationwide

Even worse, international...

[slowpoke]

Cos they believe that if they pay money, they should be able to do whatever the fuck they like

Try that attitude at a pub, or a supermarket, or a golf course or pretty much anywhere and you'll soon be out the door.

Oh but folks don't have their magic motorcycling mojo with them then so it doesn't count, no one knows thay are a biker, so they're allowed to be soft cocks like the rest of us. "I'm a motorcyclist so I'm the biggest baddest muthafucka to ride the face of the earth....on my bitchin' VTR250" until I get home to mummy, or da missus. "Lookamee, lookamee, I'm defying THE MAN! Fuck that PC crap!"....until they park the bike in the shed (don't scratch the family Hyundai!) and it's "Yes, luv I'll pick up the dog's shit just as soon as I've finished loading the dishwasher".

Haha, brilliant stuff, keep it comin'!

[avgas]

Oh but folks don't have their magic motorcycling mojo with them then so it doesn't count, no one knows thay are a biker, so they're allowed to be soft cocks like the rest of us. "I'm a motorcyclist so I'm the biggest baddest muthafucka to ride the face of the earth....on my bitchin' VTR250" until I get home to mummy, or da missus. "Lookamee, lookamee, I'm defying THE MAN! Fuck that PC crap!"....until they park the bike in the shed (don't scratch the family Hyundai!) and it's "Yes, luv I'll pick up the dog's shit just as soon as I've finished loading the dishwasher". !
Hey man that is a bit unfair.
How else would Harley sell motorbikes?

[steve_t]

I wonder if any of the antiestablishment types on here would be game to walk into their bank with a full face helmet on and ask to see the manager to tell them that their rule about no helmets in banks is a bullshit one :wacko:

[avgas]

I run the philosophy that helmets are worn to protect ones head.
Those who walk into banks/hotels/parks/petrol stations still wearing helmets should not be mocked. They could hurt themselves, and its not their fault they have to travel around in short buses.
Don't judge them until you know them
http://jetltestblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/helmet-kid5.jpg

[dipshit]

"I'm a motorcyclist so I'm the biggest baddest muthafucka to ride the face of the earth....on my bitchin' VTR250" until I get home to mummy, or da missus. "Lookamee, lookamee, I'm defying THE MAN! Fuck that PC crap!"....until they park the bike in the shed (don't scratch the family Hyundai!) and it's "Yes, luv I'll pick up the dog's shit just as soon as I've finished loading the dishwasher".

haha... That soooo sums up the typical New Zealand motorcyclist.!

And is why I keep using the word 'motorcyclists' around here. "Bikers" my ass.

[steve_t]

I run the philosophy that helmets are worn to protect ones head.
Those who walk into banks/hotels/parks/petrol stations still wearing helmets should not be mocked. They could hurt themselves, and its not their fault they have to travel around in short buses.
Don't judge them until you know them


I thought it was cos they'd run out of Zovirax :laugh:

[Berries]

I wonder if any of the antiestablishment types on here would be game to walk into their bank with a full face helmet on and ask to see the manager to tell them that their rule about no helmets in banks is a bullshit one :wacko:

Who said that was bullshit ? I am pretty sure they would make you get off the bike to serve you, which is what the thread is about. The helmet issue is totally different. At a bank you can’t park outside the door, generally have to queue for a few minutes, and then have a conversation with a human being. Oh yes, and a few serious security concerns because some banks are known to have a bit of money on the premises occasionally.

A petrol station is a bit different. You drive to the door, literally, fill up then walk in to hand over your moolah. No words needs to be exchanged, unless they can't guess which pump the bike is at. I don't want coffee or a conversation, or to stretch my legs while poncing around the forecourt posing in my new leathers, I just want to fill up, pay and get back on the road. So on the helmet thing I go elsewhere rather than put some 15yo on the spot with a helmet wearing “scary biker” facing them off. It can’t be a major issue because very few petrol stations do this. My favourite was filling up and then going in to pay (Shell) and being told, after he had taken my money, that it was “illegal” to serve me with my helmet on. I am not antiestablishment but this made me laugh. What are they going to do ? Call the Police or drain the fuel from the bike ? Once it is in the tank they are pretty much powerless if they want my money.


And is why I keep using the word 'motorcyclists' around here. "Bikers" my ass.

Oooooo, that magic word again. Ixion was banging on “I would deny the name of biker to any rider who blah blah blah” Funny. I have only ever used it as a derogatory term. I ride a bike, therefore I am a bike rider. Biker, bikie, boatie, surfie, all twee little boxes to categorise people. You can keep it. And your donkey.

[Swoop]

A petrol station is a bit different. You drive to the door, literally, fill up then walk in to hand over your moolah. No words needs to be exchanged, unless they can't guess which pump the bike is at.
I have had exactly that. Only the bike at one pump and a people-mover at another pump. The rest of the station was empty. The rocket scientist behind the cash register looks up and utters the classic quote "which pump?"...
Just had to reply "the car. I'm off to a fancy dress party".:bash:

Fuc*ing overpaid retard. Bring back eftpos on the pump!

[Ratti]

have had two different experiences wearing helmets at gasup's.

One is my local, I wander in there with flipup lid open and no one cares.
I wander in to Bombay hills gasup with same deal and get scared little serveover man stammering about taking my helmet off before he'll serve me...

wtf?

mind you maybe the AK one MIGHT have been cos I rode up with a patched 'club' member??? still, I ride a ratti old japper, wearing cordura gear and a white shoei and am a woman...you would think he'd have noticed a slight difference in general presentation???? sheesh...did he want my money or not?

[scumdog]

That's not to say that I can see any real merit to sitting astride your bike while refueling. Seems like a bad idea to me, but hey I'm not going to tell you how to live your life.

I gave that a go once - splashed fuel that I wouldn't if I had been sitting on the bike like I normallly do (cause if you have the bike on its stand and can't get the right side of your bike nearest to the pump you have to walk around the front of the bike.) and also ended up not getting the same amount of fuel into it.

Each to their own I guess...

[Deano]

What about those bloody idiots that keep their hand on the handle and trigger and stand in front of the car filler while fuelling - don't they know that if it splashes back, the poor dears will get petrol on their hands or worse ?!!

Funny how that isn't on the 'prohibited acitivities signs'. Never seen an attendant run out to stop anyone either.

[proseuche]

Haha, issues! I always refuel while seated. Not to get maximum fuel in the tank, just beause I'm lazy. And I don't have a penis, so don't have the syndrome, so your premise is all wrong.

[Lurch]

A petrol station is a bit different. You drive to the door, literally, fill up then walk in to hand over your moolah. No words needs to be exchanged, unless they can't guess which pump the bike is at. I don't want coffee or a conversation, or to stretch my legs while poncing around the forecourt posing in my new leathers, I just want to fill up, pay and get back on the road. So on the helmet thing I go elsewhere rather than put some 15yo on the spot with a helmet wearing “scary biker” facing them off.

Unfortunately there have been far too many assaults on Station Attendants over the last years and their only hope is that the low-lifes will be put off by having to get their mugs on camera. If you are wearing your helmet you are not recogniseable and are therefore a potential threat.

[Berries]

Unfortunately there have been far too many assaults on Station Attendants over the last years and their only hope is that the low-lifes will be put off by having to get their mugs on camera. If you are wearing your helmet you are not recogniseable and are therefore a potential threat.

Fair enough. I have always thought it is the perogative of the petrol station. But if the staff actually did their job with a bit of interest they may realise that the person in front of them with the helmet on just got off the bike at pump number three and was waving a 20 dollar note in front of them for 16 bucks of petrol. As opposed to the three guys with helmets on who have just got out of the back of a Ford Transit at pump six and not put any fuel in.

Seriously though, in this day and age, they should be able to link the video from the cashier to the forecourt and discount law abiding citizens who just happen to ride a motorbike. And have a gun under the counter to shoot anybody who rips them off, obviously.

[roogazza]

This has turned into a bit of an epic, huh Hitch ?
Initially, I thought with that title, it was about reaching for a beer when on the job !

[pc220]

If you have ever forgotten to tighten the petrol cap on a chainsaw before using it, you wouldnt stay on your bike while filling up. And I dont know about the rest of you but I feel like a real tool wondering around with my helmet on. Just as easy to take it off and get some fresh air for a few minutes, pick ya nose sort of thing.

[MarkH]

Why run the unnecessary risk? For those who want a read on cellphones...Urban myth maybe yes maybe no...The U tube one is quite good



Because of a faked youtube video we get harassed by service station attendants about our cellphones?

Generally snopes is pretty good and finding out what is what:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

[swbarnett]

The nub of this issue comes down to the principle of personal responsibility. In other words "He who takes the risk makes the decision". From the posts in this thread the major concern seems to be petrol on your privates. Their my privates so I'll take whatever risk with them I see fit.

[Toaster]

Yeah but its still their petrol station.

[LBD]

Because of a faked youtube video we get harassed by service station attendants about our cellphones?

Generally snopes is pretty good and finding out what is what:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

So I guess its all fine then, and the fire brigade members can start taking mobile phones and wear digital watches to LPG fires from now on as well?

[swbarnett]

Yeah but its still their petrol station.
OK, just for argument's sake, imagine if they started saying that you had to lie on the floor in front of the counter for 5 minutes before they would serve you? Would you blindly comply when you can see no reasonable reason to do so?

There's a limit to the hoops I'm willing to jump through just because I don't have my name on title deed to the land on which I happen to be standing.

[Big Dave]

>>There's a limit to the hoops I'm willing to jump through just because I don't have my name on title deed to the land on which I happen to be standing.<<'

Good! - now fuck off to the next service station then. :devil2:

[MarkH]

So I guess its all fine then, and the fire brigade members can start taking mobile phones and wear digital watches to LPG fires from now on as well?

I really do have trouble imagining why they shouldn't - do you think that having a mobile phone in their pocket or a digital watch on their wrist really makes a noticeable difference to they amount of risk they are subject to?

Similarly when refuelling there are vehicles coming and going with their ignition systems in use and hot exhausts - meanwhile idiots are worried about my cellphone?

[.produKt]

I'd like to hear how the fuck you think i'm gonna fill up the tank of my Sach's Madas 125.
It's a Frame tank, 5.1 litres and only 4.8 get in there while its on it's side stand.....

[Big Dave]

Easy! Just leave it wedged in your butt crack and stand up.

[Big Dave]

Don't burn a valve prod - I was just kidding - I enjoy those small machines too - gave a Max Biaggi Replica 50cc Aprilia Scooter the Wally on Friday and thought it was great fun.

[Paul in NZ]

The nub of this issue comes down to the principle of personal responsibility. In other words "He who takes the risk makes the decision". From the posts in this thread the major concern seems to be petrol on your privates. Their my privates so I'll take whatever risk with them I see fit.

I understand what you are saying but in this case I think you are wrong.

Your risk taking could 'maybe' endanger others using the facility so the operator has to cover themselves by setting a standard. Personally, its not a biggie and if I have the open face on I don't bother but always take the full face off. I've worked in servos (old man owned a garage) and you can get nervy with some people so its good to have something to set a minimum standard.

[Toaster]

OK, just for argument's sake, imagine if they started saying that you had to lie on the floor in front of the counter for 5 minutes before they would serve you? Would you blindly comply when you can see no reasonable reason to do so?

There's a limit to the hoops I'm willing to jump through just because I don't have my name on title deed to the land on which I happen to be standing.

Its not an unreasonable request to ask us to dismount during fuelling. To ask us to lie on the floor for 5 minutes as you have posted has nothing to do with anything a petrol station could or would ever ask. Try harder for a more reasonable example, then you may have a worthy argument.

If you feel your liberty is violated by the requirement to hop off your bike to get a few more mils in your bike then carry on. Dont forget to leave your helmet on when you do your banking too. We are free to do whatever we choose, we are never free from the consequences, whether we agree with them or not.

[Lurch]

I'd like to hear how the fuck you think i'm gonna fill up the tank of my Sach's Madas 125.
It's a Frame tank, 5.1 litres and only 4.8 get in there while its on it's side stand.....

You could ride that thing for 400ks on 4.8 litres couldn't ya? Stop being greedy:bleh:

[.produKt]

180k's round town on a 5.1l fill ;p

[swbarnett]

>>There's a limit to the hoops I'm willing to jump through just because I don't have my name on title deed to the land on which I happen to be standing.<<'

Good! - now fuck off to the next service station then. :devil2:
I thought you might say this. What if every station does the same thing?

[Big Dave]

Milk parked cars. Your breath will stink of petrol but you can still sit on the bike.

[swbarnett]

Its not an unreasonable request to ask us to dismount during fuelling.
Nobody has yet come up with a reason that is not based on an infinitesimal risk. We've eliminated or mitigated all the real risks. Now we're being forced to worry about trhings that are, effectively, not a problem at all.


To ask us to lie on the floor for 5 minutes as you have posted has nothing to do with anything a petrol station could or would ever ask. Try harder for a more reasonable example, then you may have a worthy argument.
It's an obviously ludicrous example to prove a point. To me being told to get off my bike is jsut as ludicrous because I can see no reasonable reason to do so.


We are free to do whatever we choose,
I wish this were true.


we are never free from the consequences, whether we agree with them or not.
Very true, I would be the fisrt to accept full responsibility for the direct adverse concequences of my actions.

[brett7777]

On my Harley Sportster (similar tank) it actually has a warning there that says NOT to fill the tank to the brim.

[quickbuck]

On my Harley Sportster (similar tank) it actually has a warning there that says NOT to fill the tank to the brim.
You're right.
Almost all bikes (If Not ALL) should not be refueled to the brim.
See Petrol takes up A LOT more space warm than it does cold.

The fact that it expands and spews fuel out the overflow makes it quite pointless to fill all the way to the brim...

Okay, you always get the, "I Full right up and then ride until it's empty", but the fact is that it is still a little dangerous, as what happens when you tip it into the 25k bend at 50 while leaving town????

Can't believe this is still going....

[BoristheBiter]

Nobody has yet come up with a reason that is not based on an infinitesimal risk. We've eliminated or mitigated all the real risks. Now we're being forced to worry about trhings that are, effectively, not a problem at all.
.

Because they ask you to, its as clean cut as that, why is not the point
It is their property and if they ask you to do something then it should be done. it is not an unreasonable request to hope off your bike while refueling.
are your manners that bad that you don't give a rats arse about anyone but yourself.
It's a bit like going around to someones house and leaving the fridge door open just because you can't be fucked to close it.

[motorbyclist]

The fact that it expands and spews fuel out the overflow makes it quite pointless to fill all the way to the brim...

Can't believe this is still going....

exactly.

but i suppose KB just loves a good pointless argument! I can't wait for DB or Katman to get in here :corn:

[george formby]

Ooooooh, the irony. Leaving Paeroa on Sunday my mate & I fuelled our bikes up at the same pump whilst sitting on them. Just to save time & quickly get out the way for people who were waiting. I soooo anticipated seeing someone give us the universal wanker signal from this thread.

[kwaka_crasher]

Dont forget to leave your helmet on when you do your banking too.

Much easier to just wear a burka. Strangely, they're unfazed by that.


To ask us to lie on the floor for 5 minutes as you have posted has nothing to do with anything a petrol station could or would ever ask.

You sure about that? What if they say it's to fully discharge the static electricity generated from you walking across the door mat at the entrance? There's no evidence that's an actual problem any more than using a cellphone or refueling whilst sitting on the bike.


The fact that it expands and spews fuel out the overflow makes it quite pointless to fill all the way to the brim...

What overflow?

[quickbuck]

What overflow?
The one around the scupper of your tank that poors fuel all over the right hand side of the tyre.........

[PrincessBandit]

Can't be fagged reading the whole 9 yards of this.

My point is: you have to get off your bike at some stage to go pay for the gas so what's the big deal about dismounting to pay after you've filled compared to before you start filling? It's not such a hard thing to do (getting off before filling) given that you have to get off it anyway. Except unless your pillion gets off and pays on your behalf - and tbh, how many times does that actually occur?

I reckon there is simply a heap of riders out there who object simply because it's stated and expected of them.

[Edbear]

Can't be fagged reading the whole 9 yards of this.

My point is: you have to get off your bike at some stage to go pay for the gas so what's the big deal about dismounting to pay after you've filled compared to before you start filling? It's not such a hard thing to do (getting off before filling) given that you have to get off it anyway. Except unless your pillion gets off and pays on your behalf - and tbh, how many times does that actually occur?

I reckon there is simply a heap of riders out there who object simply because it's stated and expected of them.


Surely you're not suggesting some people have a, "Nobody tells me what to do!" attitude..? :gob:

[quickbuck]

Surely you're not suggesting some people have a, "Nobody tells me what to do!" attitude..? :gob:

Hells Bells, what is the world coming to???
Mr. 4 Year Old attitudes making it into the grown up world????

[Berries]

Can't be fagged reading the whole 9 yards of this. ..........I reckon there is simply a heap of riders out there who object simply because it's stated and expected of them.

A quick summary for you then.

Many riders get off their bikes to fill up. Many others don't. That's just the way it is and the way it always has been. Everybody is happy. Some riders in Wellington objected to being told to get off their bikes and skulked off home to cuddle mummy and get her to write a letter to the newspaper. IMO they are wankers. For writing the letters. This thread took off because the OP went a little wider and called everyone a wanker who didn't follow the same procedure as he does when filling up.

It has nothing to do with objecting to being told what to do by a petrol station, but everything to do with someone on this forum telling someone else that their way of doing things is best and that anyone who doesn't do it that way is a wanker. What a crock of shit.

Filling up tonight I was thinking about this thread. I'm fucked if I am going to change a habit of a lifetime though, especially as the petrol stations I go to don't have signs and don't appear bothered in the slightest about this practice.

If the petrol stations aren't bothered I really fail to understand why so many people on here are so concerned about the welfare of others when filling up the tank.

[kwaka_crasher]

The one around the scupper of your tank that poors fuel all over the right hand side of the tyre.........

That's the drain to stop the build up of water flowing into the tank when the cap is opened. It's only an overflow until closed and even then only if you spill fuel in it.

[swbarnett]

Because they ask you to, its as clean cut as that, why is not the point
This was not a valid defence at Nuremberg. Why is very much the point. This is why I could never join the army. If an officer gave me an order that I knew had no basis in logic I could not, in all conscience, obey.

In a way, this is a religous argument (evidenced by the length of this thread). They believe that stradlling your bike while refuelling is dangerous and I believe it's not and to worry about it is the slippery slope to a cotton wool society.


It is their property and if they ask you to do something then it should be done.
Only to a point. It's my body and my bike. It's a bit like freedom of religion. If my religion and that of the service station owner disagree then I cannot be expected to follow the tenents of their religion simply because I'm on their Premises.


it is not an unreasonable request to hope off your bike while refueling.
It is unreasonable because their stated reason does not hold water and I have what I consider to be a valid reason to do so.


are your manners that bad that you don't give a rats arse about anyone but yourself.
Quite the opposite. I could claim the same about the service station owners because they are insisting I do something based on a fallacy.


It's a bit like going around to someones house and leaving the fridge door open just because you can't be fucked to close it.
Not true. I understand well the reasons for closing the fridge door so am happy to oblige. I would also oblige if I had no opinion on the matter simply because the owner of the fridge requested it.

[swbarnett]

I reckon there is simply a heap of riders out there who object simply because it's stated and expected of them.
This is probably true. There are also those of us who object because it is not a safety concern and we don't want to be part of a cotton wool society.

[BoristheBiter]

This was not a valid defence at Nuremberg. Why is very much the point. This is why I could never join the army. If an officer gave me an order that I knew had no basis in logic I could not, in all conscience, obey.



It is not 1945 it's 2010 and we are not talking about mass murder. you more likely wouldn't join thae army beacuse you would be running the other way.
What are you a Vulcan?




In a way, this is a religous argument (evidenced by the length of this thread). They believe that stradlling your bike while refuelling is dangerous and I believe it's not and to worry about it is the slippery slope to a cotton wool society.


No its not its just you being a twat.




Only to a point. It's my body and my bike. It's a bit like freedom of religion. If my religion and that of the service station owner disagree then I cannot be expected to follow the tenents of their religion simply because I'm on their Premises.



Yep and you have the right to fuck off to another gas station if you don't like that rule.
Just as they have the right to tell you to get off your bike while refueling.




It is unreasonable because their stated reason does not hold water and I have what I consider to be a valid reason to do so.


Quite the opposite. I could claim the same about the service station owners because they are insisting I do something based on a fallacy.



It doesn't matter what you think, feel or what your opinion is. at the end of the day if you don't like it you take your business else where.

NO matter what you say your argument(s), as they keep changing, has no basis other then to wind people up and see how long you can get this thread to stay current becuse if we use the same logic we would live in an anarchist world where everyone just did what they wanted becuase of your opinion that is an illogical reason.

May your nuts never catch fire
Goodbye

[motorbyclist]

That's the drain to stop the build up of water flowing into the tank when the cap is opened. It's only an overflow until closed and even then only if you spill fuel in it.

ever gotten a full fuel can and shaken it, then opened it? yes, fuel goes everywhere. Same thing happens in your tank and the pressure will go somewhere - in the worst case pushing the liquid fuel back against the lid when the bike is next put on it's sidestand (like when paying for the fuel)

my little h100 has lost alot of paint on the tank after 23 years of this happening even when filled on the sidestand and then ridden as there is no lip to catch it - just because you can't see it on a modern bike doesn't mean it isn't happening

[motorbyclist]

Not true. I understand well the reasons for closing the fridge door so am happy to oblige. I would also oblige if I had no opinion on the matter simply because the owner of the fridge requested it.

so lets say the fridge was turned off and there was nothing in it, and you thought that keeping it open would help prevent mould, but you're still asked to close it. Then owner might have a very good reason in their eyes that is a shit reason in yours (maybe the dog keeps bashing into it). Are you still going to happily oblige or make a twat of yourself because you don't "believe" in his reasons?

either (fuel or fridge) way it's entirely trivial - antagonising people where you have no right nor reasonable need is a good way to be a first class dickhead


oh, and godwins law, much?

[CRF119]

The number one reason wankers like this have for not getting off is that their bike has some sort of "teardrop" tank that can't be filled to the brim unless they hold it upright. If this were true, what happens to the extra fuel once they put their bike back onto its sidestand when they go to pay for their gas? Have they measured the extra amount of fuel that they get into their tank during this procedure? I predict it's only an extra 250ml maximum.


If you did fill it standing up and you could fit more in it it still wouldnt over when on its stand if the lid has be put back on the tank.

Id be more concerned with getting fuel on ya balls which would give the gas station attendent a huge amount of entertainment :yes: as they run around looking for water. Ive seen this on a dirt bike at a FMX display. A guy came short and he hit the cap so hard it poped off. He was in a great deal of pain as you can imagine.

[motorbyclist]

If you did fill it standing up and you could fit more in it it still wouldnt over when on its stand if the lid has be put back on the tank.

Id be more concerned with getting fuel on ya balls which would give the gas station attendent a huge amount of entertainment :yes: as they run around looking for water. Ive seen this on a dirt bike at a FMX display. A guy came short and he hit the cap so hard it poped off. He was in a great deal of pain as you can imagine.

heheh my mate had that at woodhill once when his petrol cap somehow came off and dissapeared (back in the good old days of zero maintenance and whoops big enough to swallow a bike whole)

[kwaka_crasher]

ever gotten a full fuel can and shaken it, then opened it? yes, fuel goes everywhere. Same thing happens in your tank and the pressure will go somewhere - in the worst case pushing the liquid fuel back against the lid when the bike is next put on it's sidestand (like when paying for the fuel)

my little h100 has lost alot of paint on the tank after 23 years of this happening even when filled on the sidestand and then ridden as there is no lip to catch it - just because you can't see it on a modern bike doesn't mean it isn't happening

It's still not an overflow. And the cap has a vent. If you overfill your bike to THAT degree the fuel will potentially overflow out of the vent to a small degree. I've never had it happen and I've filled right to the brim at times. But I don't make a habit of shaking the bike tank after filling either.

[avgas]

The one around the scupper of your tank that poors fuel all over the right hand side of the tyre.........
There is also the "race cap" breathers, which usually are of no concern, however take 1 sportbike, fill past recommended level (side stand), and lean properly into corners and then is spills out through the top. Not to mention if you drop it.
Did this with a ZXR - filled right to top, put cap on and a little came out the top, 2mins into some nice twisties and I had a good 1/4 cup of the stuff flowing through the breathers.
Needless to say never did that again.

[avgas]

Because of a faked youtube video we get harassed by service station attendants about our cellphones?

Generally snopes is pretty good and finding out what is what:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
Not entirely true. I trust very few people talking on cellphones. I think it would be wise to avoid anyone distracted using a cellphone in 1 hand an a pump with a highly flammable substance being pumped 1L/sec near a bunch of surfaces over 60 deg C, enough electrical cables to connect a building and device which only purpose in life is to create "sparks".
I also avoid people using Gameboys and Gelignite.........but that's just me. Silly safe me.

[ajturbo]

i stay on my bike till it's fill enough...

and i have NEVER been told to get off

[swbarnett]

so lets say the fridge was turned off and there was nothing in it, and you thought that keeping it open would help prevent mould, but you're still asked to close it. Then owner might have a very good reason in their eyes that is a shit reason in yours (maybe the dog keeps bashing into it). Are you still going to happily oblige or make a twat of yourself because you don't "believe" in his reasons?
Yes, I would close the fridge. The difference is that it's their fridge therefore the risk is theirs. In the case of refuelling it's my bike, my nads and my risk.


either (fuel or fridge) way it's entirely trivial - antagonising people where you have no right nor reasonable need is a good way to be a first class dickhead
Which is exactly my point. The issue is trivial so why do service stations insist on antagonising me for no good reason?

[swbarnett]

I can see we're never going to agree on this issue. No matter.


if we use the same logic we would live in an anarchist world where everyone just did what they wanted becuase of your opinion that is an illogical reason.
A little anarchy is a good thing. No, I don't want complete anarchy but at the same time I don't want complete control either. I happen to like my life without a coating of cotton wool. This is why I ride.


May your nuts never catch fire
Thank you, and the same back at ya.

[BoristheBiter]

I can see we're never going to agree on this issue. No matter.

.

And wouldn't it be boring if we always did.
it is a change to have a good debaite on here without getting personel.

[motorbyclist]

Yes, I would close the fridge. The difference is that it's their fridge therefore the risk is theirs. In the case of refuelling it's my bike, my nads and my risk.

well for them it's their arse when there's an accident while they're on duty - a risk they aren't willing to take

[Big Dave]

That's another reason I prefer to get off the bike. Makes it easier to evacuate a 'situation' without having to drop the bike and run. It's a hazardous situation.

I've been at the servo and some idiot has had a cigarette going on the forecourt, standing beside his mate with plumes of petrol fumes wafting his way. I've also seen the aftermath of the morons who run into pumps, walls, gutters, ice chests, coke machines and the air hose as the fail navigate the service station. Granny struggling with her seat belt and chocolates in a bubble car has caused me palpitations more than once.

[Edbear]

That's another reason I prefer to get off the bike. Makes it easier to evacuate a 'situation' without having to drop the bike and run. It's a hazardous situation.

I've been at the servo and some idiot has had a cigarette going on the forecourt, standing beside his mate with plumes of petrol fumes wafting his way. I've also seen the aftermath of the morons who run into pumps, walls, gutters, ice chests, coke machines and the air hose as the fail navigate the service station. Granny struggling with her seat belt and chocolates in a bubble car has caused me palpitations more than once.

Kinky... :mellow:

[Big Dave]

You didn't see Granny. We're talking chicken giblets in a tank top.
It was the green VW careening my way, actually - a $40,000 Harley's way, as she struggled to get the seat belt around the belly with one hand and shooovelled Malteasers in its gob with the other, while steering with the knees.

'I was...shitscared, Tommy.'

[Qkchk]

Wow, I'm a wanker.

Thanks for that.

That makes two of us, didn't realise I could wank?

[cmoore]

i have been known to drink a beer or chow down a burger whilst mounted....

[swbarnett]

well for them it's their arse when there's an accident while they're on duty - a risk they aren't willing to take
And there in lies the real problem. No matter what precautions are taken sometimes accidents will happen. It's a fact of life that modern society seems determined to deny no matter what the truth.

[Mikkel]

antagonising people where you have no right nor reasonable need is a good way to be a first class dickhead

I agree completely. But it goes both ways - small-minded people using stupid rules in an attempt to exercise power over someone else falls into exactly the same category. I don't care if I'm standing in your shop, I'm never going to sing you a song, wear a funny hat or crawl on my hands and knees just because you tell me to. Any reasonable request will be met with a reasoned response.

[avgas]

I agree completely. But it goes both ways - small-minded people using stupid rules in an attempt to exercise power over someone else falls into exactly the same category. I don't care if I'm standing in your shop, I'm never going to sing you a song, wear a funny hat or crawl on my hands and knees just because you tell me to. Any reasonable request will be met with a reasoned response.
I dunno - you wear clothes for more than warmth don't you.
People have been arrested for doing otherwise in public