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Whitebait
13th February 2010, 06:52
"Hi All,
Late entry fees scraped ! Entries open until Friday !
$130 (please check the entry form) to enter for club members.
Get behind your club and race the nationals!
Hurry hurry hurry entries close soon.
Roll up and get your slice of the action.
Go to http://www.vicclub.co.nz and download your entry form,
Cheers
The Vic Club."
If you are a vic club member with a bike capable of entering a nationals class and you haven't you are SOFT.:oi-grr:
I'm selling my bike AFTER round 4 just so that I can support the vic club.
If we don't support them do you think road racing is gonna grow??
$130 for a lot of time on the track..................why wouldn't you??
So take you T.V done to cas converters and get your entry in!!:angry2:
Deano
13th February 2010, 07:34
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If you are a vic club member with a bike capable of entering a nationals class and you haven't you are SOFT.:oi-grr:
I just love generalisations. Some people might have good reason, despite having a capable bike. Good on ya for trying to motivate though.
Oh - why don't you hold on to your bike until after the Cliff Hanger Hill Climb on 20/21 March and give Marc (Eelracing) some competition on his RGV ?
Not soft are ya ;)
Tony.OK
13th February 2010, 07:57
Have racers gone soft?????
Can only speak for myself, so err.............YES :crazy::o:doh:
CookMySock
13th February 2010, 08:03
Last time I wandered into a vic club event, it didn't look like it was desperate for support. It was more like us desperate for a car park.
Steve
Str8 Jacket
13th February 2010, 08:31
And, (although we are the scum of the race meetings) it would be awesome to see a healthy grid of SS150's this year. We have always moaned that they never have a class for us and now there is so we'd better get some full grids! :yes:
FROSTY
13th February 2010, 09:51
Of course the need to get support for a round of the nationals has NOTHING to do with the refusal to allow the club a date change from the same date a MAJOR meeting just over the ditch.
--Ill have that TUI now please
wharfy
13th February 2010, 10:01
Can only speak for myself, so err.............YES :crazy::o:doh:
me too.........
Shaun
13th February 2010, 12:17
Softer than mashed Patato these days mate, but good on for trying to encourage riders along
KS34
13th February 2010, 12:55
I must admit (good reasons aside) I am supprised the club havent got more entries, I for one am at the back end but on test day times will qualify under the 115% on the 750 and those who have seen me out there know I am not special in any way. It has been commented on before the fast guys up the front have alot of talent and wont have any trouble getting by and lets face it at just about all levels of motorsport there is always passing of back markers, so come on ya soft fukas get your entry in and give me some company at the back!!!!
KS34
13th February 2010, 13:11
Just looking at it the Superbikes should have more entries than last year (9 entrants from memory)
This Year:
Stroud
Bugden
Smith
Frost
Sherriffs
Fitzgerald
Clee?
Slowpoke
Danger Dave
Me
Who else? Come on rd3 had 14
Kemet
13th February 2010, 13:50
Just looking at it the Superbikes should have more entries than last year (9 entrants from memory)
This Year:
Stroud
Bugden
Smith
Frost
Sherriffs
Fitzgerald
Clee?
Slowpoke
Danger Dave
Me
Who else? Come on rd3 had 14
Were you at Teretonga (R2)??
took some photos mostly of SB class but got some others too. Linkie (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=3307) to my album and see if you are there.
Or next time you race Teretonga, Levels or Ruapuna, if I'm there, I'll try and get some of ya.
roogazza
13th February 2010, 14:52
Lets see..... Phillip Is. is on ? or watch the six ? mmmmm
Shaun
13th February 2010, 19:04
I must admit (good reasons aside) I am supprised the club havent got more entries, I for one am at the back end but on test day times will qualify under the 115% on the 750 and those who have seen me out there know I am not special in any way. It has been commented on before the fast guys up the front have alot of talent and wont have any trouble getting by and lets face it at just about all levels of motorsport there is always passing of back markers, so come on ya soft fukas get your entry in and give me some company at the back!!!!
On Ya mate!
Foxzee
13th February 2010, 20:15
Can only speak for myself, so err.............YES :crazy::o:doh:
Geeez Tony you are supposed to swallow the HTFU pills....not just sit and stare at them.....LOL:)
Quasievil
13th February 2010, 21:03
The NZ Nationals........same shit different year, scrap it and reinvent it save us having the same threads in 2011
Tony.OK
13th February 2010, 21:08
Geeez Tony you are supposed to swallow the HTFU pills....not just sit and stare at them.....LOL:)
Oh buggar, its HTFU pills?..................damn it I took one of those little blue ones, made sitting on the bike painful:blip:
lostinflyz
13th February 2010, 21:09
The NZ Nationals........same shit different year, scrap it and reinvent it save us having the same threads in 2011
what do you propose???
Quasievil
13th February 2010, 21:17
what do you propose???
Mate, been there done that, in last years thread.
in short dragging a series out all over NZ is not only expensive for the riders but it is also diluted for the public.
Answer is to shorten it significantly and to create a quicker and BIGGER event, better for the public = better for the sponsors = better for the riders = better event.
Current format doesnt work wont work and will never work, and as long as we stick doing the same thing we will have the same result and the same thread every year.
why people cant see that is beyond me, but this is only my opinion which dont count for much lol
Marknz
13th February 2010, 21:30
Reasons I'm not racing at Manfield...
1. Too slow and wouldn't qualify anyway, so waste of my time, money and effort entering. If it's the same format next year, and I've dropped into the teens over the coming Winter Series, then I'll definitely be a starter. There you go, it's in black & white and you can hold me to it.
2. I had already planned an overseas holiday with SHMBO for April/May that must take place, and
3. I'm pit-bitching for Ken, so can't pull out on those duties.
But I do hope it's well supported and we all have a great weekend.
Shaun P
13th February 2010, 21:44
There already are changes proposed for 2011 since 12th April 2009 for Superbike..
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2011%20Appendix%20Super%20Bike%20APRIL%2010th%2020 09.doc
One key rule is this
Tyres. W rating must be used. Only tyres on general sale to the public in New Zealand as road legal fitments will be permitted. Refer to Sub Regs as to the number of tyres permitted for Endurance races
The tyre must have an ‘E’ mark or DOT (American Department of Transportation) approval and the DOT number must appear on the tyre wall. The use of tyre warmers is allowed.
Two sets of tyres for qualifying and two races will be allowed for races counting towards the MNZ sports production Championship.
Wet tyres – In the event that the track is damp/wet the choice of tyre is at the discretion of the rider. A full race wet tyre marked NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE may be used providing that the tyre has a moulded tread pattern. Hand cut DOT approved sports production tyres and hand cut slicks may not be used. Any number of wet tyres may be used.
Then its basically an exhaust, ecu and suspension with a stock motor other than balancing
slowpoke
13th February 2010, 22:11
Just looking at it the Superbikes should have more entries than last year (9 entrants from memory)
This Year:
Stroud
Bugden
Smith
Frost
Sherriffs
Fitzgerald
Clee?
Slowpoke
Danger Dave
Me
Who else? Come on rd3 had 14
Add in Ryan Hampton and Rhys Holmes as a couple of almost definites, Pete Tanner might front on the mighty 'Prila again, Sandra Stammova, Phil Derby, and if a couple of others jump the ditch or head down from Upnorf (Dobbsy on the 999, Adrian Cox) then the grid will look reasonably healthy.
CHOPPA
13th February 2010, 23:05
Road Racers are soft.....
Whitebait
14th February 2010, 05:53
Road Racers are soft.....
Choppa's entered then!
Kickaha
14th February 2010, 06:28
Road Racers are soft.....
Except for the Sidecar guys (with the exception of that poofta Scrivy) we're all hard as nails
Kemet
14th February 2010, 10:51
Except for the Sidecar guys (with the exception of that poofta Scrivy) we're all hard as nails
Fingernails??? pretty red ones???
:dodge:
snapoff
14th February 2010, 13:14
[QUOTE=Quasievil;1129648144]Mate, been there done that, in last years thread.
in short dragging a series out all over NZ is not only expensive for the riders but it is also diluted for the public.
Answer is to shorten it significantly and to create a quicker and BIGGER event, better for the public = better for the sponsors = better for the riders = better event.
Current format doesnt work wont work and will never work, and as long as we stick doing the same thing we will have the same result and the same thread every year.
All that u have just said is a load of crap!!!! more tracks better for riders =more races better for sponsors = more tracks,races better for public , its quite clear you dont no what you are talking about .
gixerracer
14th February 2010, 13:23
What a load of bull shit it is the Nationals for a reason the fact it cost money is just part of the sport who would want to do a bunch of meetings on the same shit north island tracks the series needs cash injection to promote look at the NZ V8 series they get massive interest and entires why cant we get to the same level?
Mate, been there done that, in last years thread.
in short dragging a series out all over NZ is not only expensive for the riders but it is also diluted for the public.
Answer is to shorten it significantly and to create a quicker and BIGGER event, better for the public = better for the sponsors = better for the riders = better event.
Current format doesnt work wont work and will never work, and as long as we stick doing the same thing we will have the same result and the same thread every year.
why people cant see that is beyond me, but this is only my opinion which dont count for much lol
Quasievil
14th February 2010, 14:32
All that u have just said is a load of crap!!!! more tracks better for riders =more races better for sponsors = more tracks,races better for public , its quite clear you dont no what you are talking about .
Really, so the current situation is acceptable to you?
How many entries are there ?
Will Auckland event threaten to cancel again like last year due to lack of entries?
How many sponsors have you got ?
How much money came through the gate?
And how much business was generated for your sponsors?
Shall I go on
And you think the current format and organisation is ideal for a NZ National championship event.
I think I do know what Im talking about and the previous years prove it.
Quasievil
14th February 2010, 14:42
What a load of bull shit it is the Nationals for a reason the fact it cost money is just part of the sport who would want to do a bunch of meetings on the same shit north island tracks the series needs cash injection to promote look at the NZ V8 series they get massive interest and entires why cant we get to the same level?
What Sane business would throw money at it.........big money? to get it even close to the V8s.
the format is wrong..........proof ? Paeroa and Wanganui there is proof, two motorcycle events that get massive attendance and exposure, why dont these people go to the Nationals, why arent there thousands of people at the nationals ? because its dull and boring to them (not to me but to the masses) make an event a BIG EVENT, get the people, make it a day of variety and attractions for all sorts of people, trade shows, face painting bouncy castles, bands, bars, wet T shirts I dunno anything !! what is there for the kids and the ladies ?
and the sponsor dollars will follow which will improve the sport all the way to the poor broken arse racers
ellipsis
14th February 2010, 15:13
Road Racers are soft.....
....like everyone else in the country...
Tony.OK
14th February 2010, 15:42
the series needs cash injection to promote, look at the NZ V8 series they get massive interest and entires why cant we get to the same level?
A huge cash injection! Its just a viscious cycle, who's gonna invest when there's such little coverage? Look what happened to rnd 1 coverage.............it didn't happen, and no one knows when it will air now.
V8's are run as businesses that have promoters and managers hunting sponsors down, its not left to local clubs to organise and pay for themselves, when there's no coverage how do you sell the sport to a sponsor?
Apart from the few top runners per class, this sport is just a hobbie to most, there really isn't much of a ladder to climb as with other sports, speaking from an F1 point of view, most guys out there are 30+ and now have some spare money to have this hobby, but aren't prepared to risk everything just to bolster numbers knowing that nothing will come of it sponsorship wise..............another viscious cycle?
I'm prob just cynical cause it got too expensive for me...................but it wasn't from a lack of trying to get some support.
CHOPPA
14th February 2010, 16:07
Choppa's entered then!
lol na im just unorganised
cowpoos
14th February 2010, 20:25
Last time I wandered into a vic club event, it didn't look like it was desperate for support. It was more like us desperate for a car park.
Steve
Are you used to thinking/using the word desperate alot steven?
cowpoos
14th February 2010, 20:31
Except for the Sidecar guys (with the exception of that poofta Scrivy) we're all hard as nails
yes yes you are if....we substitute hard for squishy and nails for jelly!! ;)
FROSTY
14th February 2010, 20:33
Guys I asked the question 3 years ago and frankly I dont think the answers have changed much.
I said it back then that asking racers whats needed is like asking politicians if MMP should stay.
Asking within racing circles will do NADA ask the general biking population first what would attract them.
Then have a go at the petrolhead four wheel guys.
Yea--draggin up an old thread but doesn't that exactly prove the point
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/61003-What-would-bring-YOU-to-watch-a-race-meeting?p=1294354#post1294354
lostinflyz
14th February 2010, 20:56
Guys I asked the question 3 years ago and frankly I dont think the answers have changed much.
I said it back then that asking racers whats needed is like asking politicians if MMP should stay.
Asking within racing circles will do NADA ask the general biking population first what would attract them.
Then have a go at the petrolhead four wheel guys.
Yea--draggin up an old thread but doesn't that exactly prove the point
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/61003-What-would-bring-YOU-to-watch-a-race-meeting?p=1294354#post1294354
going through your summary post motorcycling canterbury did have quite a few of your suggestions at this years NZGP meet (nats ruapuna). food stalls, trade displays, not sure if they had things for kids,but i know sound of thunder usually does so theres no reason they couldn't have. and a few more loos than normal
slowpoke
15th February 2010, 02:20
What Sane business would throw money at it.........big money? to get it even close to the V8s.
the format is wrong..........proof ? Paeroa and Wanganui there is proof, two motorcycle events that get massive attendance and exposure, why dont these people go to the Nationals, why arent there thousands of people at the nationals ? because its dull and boring to them (not to me but to the masses) make an event a BIG EVENT, get the people, make it a day of variety and attractions for all sorts of people, trade shows, face painting bouncy castles, bands, bars, wet T shirts I dunno anything !! what is there for the kids and the ladies ?
and the sponsor dollars will follow which will improve the sport all the way to the poor broken arse racers
I hear what you're sayin' Brett but I don't think the public find it dull and boring, I just don't think they find it at all ie: they don't even know it's on. Hard to ignore a street meet, and after a point the publicity becomes self generating and the atmosphere self generating, hence racers and the public are drawn there even with shitty toilets(excuse pun) and bugger all for kids, crap food etc.
But we are our own worst enemy. The average club racer would rather be 6th in a club meeting than have their fragile ego bubble burst by finishing 12th in a National's event. We winge and bitch about MNZ and the mostly vlounteer crew not doing enough when we can't even be arsed to attend our own local National's event.
Forget MNZ, there needs to be a culture change within the pits, because thanks to our own apathy towards the National's there is hardly anything worth televising apart from the dedicated few who front up year after year (thanks Craig, Stroudy, Nick, Jimmy, Dennis, Glen Terry and co, you put on a fantastic show anyway).
Sure not everyone can attend every meeting throughout a year we've all got lives and priorities to organise, but the local Nat's round should naturally be a highlight of everyones race calendar, instead it's something to be avoided. I look at what the Vic Club are doing next round with the fee's and wonder what more can be done, it's cheaper than a club meeting, so the club is doing all it can with some innovative thinking (cheap race entry, free entry for spectators).
After talking to Stroudy, Craig, Choppa, Glen Williams etc and these blokes would love to see more bikes on the grid and couldn't be more encouraging even to a mid-pack club racer like myself. So that leaves us, the racers, as the problem.....not MNZ, not TV, not lack of money (the numbers are healthy at a club meeting or the Tri Series). We're wusses who are more worried about looking average one meeting a year than using that meeting to learn from the best.
ajturbo
15th February 2010, 05:27
Last time I wandered into a vic club event, it didn't look like it was desperate for support. It was more like us desperate for a car park.
Steve
that would have been a club race day..
NOT the nationals..
for some reason the "local' club members are not racing for two days for the price of a little over one day!!!!
in fact IF the CR was able to get into a class... and i was allowed to race it....
Shaun
15th February 2010, 06:57
Slowpoke said
"After talking to Stroudy, Craig, Choppa, Glen Williams etc and these blokes would love to see more bikes on the grid and couldn't be more encouraging even to a mid-pack club racer like myself. So that leaves us, the racers, as the problem.....not MNZ, not TV, not lack of money (the numbers are healthy at a club meeting or the Tri Series). We're wusses who are more worried about looking average one meeting a year than using that meeting to learn from the best. "
You are so correct mete. I have been involved for 25 years now, and the riders have always been apethetic, and just choose to bag the name MNZ all the time
Quasievil
15th February 2010, 07:19
here is a question for you then guys
does the same level of apathy apply to Paeroa and Wanganui ??
I would suggest no, reason is most want to be part of the BIG SHOW that is Paeroa and Wanganui
They are big events, and riders want to be part of it
Tony.OK
15th February 2010, 07:27
here is a question for you then guys
does the same level of apathy apply to Paeroa and Wanganui ??
I would suggest no, reason is most want to be part of the BIG SHOW that is Paeroa and Wanganui
They are big events, and riders want to be part of it
Could just be that having done Paeroa a week before.........there ain't enough money to do another meeting a week later.............nah it wouldn't be that simple would it?
FROSTY
15th February 2010, 07:38
As I posted earier how much influence on entries and staffing did the fact that the manfeild round is the same weekend as a major international race meeting in Australia.
Knowing this why were nclub officials NOT allowed to move the meeting back a week?
Quasievil
15th February 2010, 07:56
Could just be that having done Paeroa a week before.........there ain't enough money to do another meeting a week later.............nah it wouldn't be that simple would it?
Depends how you feel about the importance of each event really.
If the Nationals had a crowd and spectator attendance like Paeroa, I would argue that Paeroa would be the looser.
I think alot of the issues with the rider numbers at the Nationals is due to there is simply not enough riders who class themselves as NZ Nationals material (frankly speaking) we are only a small country afterall, so why would many lower classed riders have a crack at the long drawn out and expensive Nationals rounds?
Formats wrong people..............clearly
slowpoke
15th February 2010, 08:01
here is a question for you then guys
does the same level of apathy apply to Paeroa and Wanganui ??
I would suggest no, reason is most want to be part of the BIG SHOW that is Paeroa and Wanganui
They are big events, and riders want to be part of it
Yes and no. Wanganui and Paeroa are a big show alright, no argument there.
But racers expect the National's events to grow without any input from themselves: it's everybody's fault but there own when it comes to pointing the finger.
In actual fact if everyone turned up, even if just to their local round, in a couple of years the Nationals would be just as big as the street meets or the Tri-Series event at Manfeild or Scrivy's Road Race Spectacular and our racing landscape would be transformed. MNZ would actually have something to promote.
Instead we can't be bothered to turn up and expect MNZ to pull a rabbit outta the hat and get TV/sponsors/public along.....and then we'll turn up. It just defies logic and leads to an inevitable result.
Sure the timing of Paeroa before one of the rounds could be seen as a burden, but no-one complains at the Tri-Series timing, and the TRRS is chocka's even though it's the 3rd of three closely spaced events. But to be fair, the street meets are a once a year (at each circuit) novelty, for both public and racers, so to compare them to our usual tracks isn't really kosher.
Sure there are things that can be improved with publicity and the like but the sea change can only start with us. Until we are prepared to start turning up, we can't expect any meaningful change.
Edit: "National's material"...w What is this material you speak of, lol? I thought we were racing for fun? Whether I'm coming 10th at club level or 15th at National's how is it any less fun? One round or the whole lot, it's all good.
Quasievil
15th February 2010, 08:26
Edit: "National's material"...w What is this material you speak of, lol? I thought we were racing for fun? Whether I'm coming 10th at club level or 15th at National's how is it any less fun? One round or the whole lot, it's all good.
Not to be read the wrong way (as KB does) I meant perhaps the rider doesnt feel he is up to it (maybe rightly who knows) so doesnt bother with the Nationals
sugilite
15th February 2010, 08:53
The format is wrong, they need other forms of entertainment to attract families. There is currently nothing to do for mum and kids. There is a lot of competition out there for entertainment dollars, and just being a one trick pony (bike racing only) will never cut it these days. Due to the nature of my current job, I travel to events all over NZ every Weekend, and quite frankly compared to most other events, the nats have a very droll atmosphere...if your a spectator.
scrivy
15th February 2010, 09:24
You are so correct mete. I have been involved for 25 years now, and the riders have always been apethetic, and just choose to bag the name MNZ all the time
Shaun, how many riders/individuals wanted a rule change to more production based bikes for the supers? What was the %? What exactly was the outcome of their requests? And you wonder why they are upset with MNZ?
Can someone tell me why we go through this same shit every year? Why we get on here and complain about our series?
Why does MNZ have to run the Nationals?
Why can't there be a stand alone organisation that runs it, and they are accountable to us. If there is a problem, we then complain about it and changes have to be made.
What exactly has changed in the Nationals in the last 20 odd years, apart from decreasing numbers??
We all talk about trying to fix it, when no one is prepared to sit around a table and actually rectify it!
Quasievil
15th February 2010, 10:01
YAY some people agree !
I vote Scrivy runs it !
Shaun
15th February 2010, 10:38
Shaun, how many riders/individuals wanted a rule change to more production based bikes for the supers? What was the %? What exactly was the outcome of their requests? And you wonder why they are upset with MNZ?
Can someone tell me why we go through this same shit every year? Why we get on here and complain about our series?
Why does MNZ have to run the Nationals?
Why can't there be a stand alone organisation that runs it, and they are accountable to us. If there is a problem, we then complain about it and changes have to be made.
What exactly has changed in the Nationals in the last 20 odd years, apart from decreasing numbers??
We all talk about trying to fix it, when no one is prepared to sit around a table and actually rectify it!
I Posted a pre paid sef addressed envelope to every single road racing license holders a few years ago about all of this, I got about 40 replies from a shit load sent out, buch of pathetic wankers out there man, I would not waste my effort ever trying to help the majority, just the ones that show true dedciation and commitment
And that had Nothing to do with MNZ, so how is it always there fault?????
Quasievil
15th February 2010, 10:46
And that had Nothing to do with MNZ, so how is it always there fault?????
The word Fault is prolly a bit hardcore (not that you said it man) but perhaps ''responsibility" for the event and its success or otherwise rests with MNZ ?
Shaun
15th February 2010, 10:53
The word Fault is prolly a bit hardcore (not that you said it man) but perhaps ''responsibility" for the event and its success or otherwise rests with MNZ ?
Rests with MNZ yes. But all riders were notified re the plan, and jack shite replied why< because they all want some one to wipe there arses for them
Why invest your time and energy to help people that are not prepared to get off there buts and do some spade work
And very soon, I am sure some License holders involved in this thread, are going to be recieving at least warning letters from some where RE, " Bringing the sport into dis repute"
Carefull with your choice of blaim Team
Quasievil
15th February 2010, 11:30
And very soon, I am sure some License holders involved in this thread, are going to be recieving at least warning letters from some where RE, " Bringing the sport into dis repute"
Carefull with your choice of blaim Team
You reckon mate, Im rather expecting them to ring a few and take some of these ideas further, that would be the sensible approach. Like all we need to take comments constructively I think
Shaun
15th February 2010, 11:38
You reckon mate, Im rather expecting them to ring a few and take some of these ideas further, that would be the sensible approach. Like all we need to take comments constructively I think
Agree re the " Comments" bagging organsations is another thing though
scrivy
15th February 2010, 11:59
I Posted a pre paid sef addressed envelope to every single road racing license holders a few years ago about all of this, I got about 40 replies from a shit load sent out, buch of pathetic wankers out there man, I would not waste my effort ever trying to help the majority, just the ones that show true dedciation and commitment
Which is why every year we keep saying the motivated people should be sitting around a table to rectify the situation!
And that had Nothing to do with MNZ, so how is it always there fault?????
Who said that letter of yours was MNZ's fault Shaun?
Rests with MNZ yes. But all riders were notified re the plan, and jack shite replied why< because they all want some one to wipe there arses for them
Why invest your time and energy to help people that are not prepared to get off there buts and do some spade work
And very soon, I am sure some License holders involved in this thread, are going to be recieving at least warning letters from some where RE, " Bringing the sport into dis repute"
You have some heads up on it do you??
Carefull with your choice of blaim Team
Blame is currently apportioned to both sides Shaun.
Where there is smoke, there is fire. I too will not stand by and take harrasment for fabricated alledged actions.
Toast
15th February 2010, 13:09
Blah, blah, same old shit recycled in this thread...Entered today and it's gonna be a blast! :D
Whitebait
15th February 2010, 18:22
Blah, blah, same old shit recycled in this thread...Entered today and it's gonna be a blast! :D
Good on ya Toast! Thats the attitude mate!
lostinflyz
15th February 2010, 18:43
Not to be read the wrong way (as KB does) I meant perhaps the rider doesnt feel he is up to it (maybe rightly who knows) so doesnt bother with the Nationals
alotta people are flat out scared of nationals. I manned up and am getting better results than i would club racing.
Sure the times are faster and theres more fast guys, but for the most part im not at the back (just) and not at the front, so its all the same.
Str8 Jacket
15th February 2010, 19:11
Sure the times are faster and theres more fast guys, but for the most part im not at the back (just) and not at the front, so its all the same.
Yep, if you aint pushing yourself then you aint learning anything!! I reckon I learn more when I have a faster rider in front of me and I am pushing to get past them/keep up with them!
wharfy
15th February 2010, 21:45
Yep, if you aint pushing yourself then you aint learning anything!! I reckon I learn more when I have a faster rider in front of me and I am pushing to get past them/keep up with them!
Yes .... and at most "CLUB" meetings 30 of the 35 starters in 600SP are faster than me !!!
KS34
15th February 2010, 21:52
Yes .... and at most "CLUB" meetings 30 of the 35 starters in 600SP are faster than me !!!
Going on Str8 Jackets logic that means you have a teacher to student ratio far superior to any other learning experience in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
wharfy
15th February 2010, 21:54
Going on Str8 Jackets logic that means you have a teacher to student ratio far superior to any other learning experience in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
The term "special needs" springs to mind :)
slowpoke
15th February 2010, 23:06
The term "special needs" springs to mind :)
Haha, nicely done mate! Maybe that can be my new race team: Remedial Racing
Str8 Jacket
16th February 2010, 06:16
Yes .... and at most "CLUB" meetings 30 of the 35 starters in 600SP are faster than me !!!
Going on Str8 Jackets logic that means you have a teacher to student ratio far superior to any other learning experience in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
The term "special needs" springs to mind :)
:shake: Mock me if you will but I was running at the back of the grid last years winter series as well and as the front runners got faster, so did we. For me it aint about winning (atm) its about learning to ride better and faster and watching my lap times fall. Hey, if you stay in the same class long enough you're surely going to end up at the pointy end eventually!! ;)
jellywrestler
16th February 2010, 07:11
But we are our own worst enemy. The average club racer would rather be 6th in a club meeting than have their fragile ego bubble burst by finishing 12th in a National's event.
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So why doesn't the Vic club make the meeting on the 27/28th feb the first round of their series too? I'm sure there's nothing stopping points being awarded for both NZ Champs and another series in the same race?
slowpoke
16th February 2010, 07:13
So why doesn't the Vic club make the meeting on the 27/28th feb the first round of their series too? I'm sure there's nothing stopping points being awarded for both NZ Champs and another series in the same race?
Not a bad idea mate...sounds bloody good to me.
jellywrestler
16th February 2010, 07:21
What exactly has changed in the Nationals in the last 20 odd years, apart from decreasing numbers??
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I just looked through the 1991 NZ grand prix programme (Ruapuna)
11 formula one
6 senior production
8 125cc racing
nzkr1
16th February 2010, 07:51
So why doesn't the Vic club make the meeting on the 27/28th feb the first round of their series too? I'm sure there's nothing stopping points being awarded for both NZ Champs and another series in the same race?
I will be treating like any other Vic Club round seeing as they are running it. How much more different will it be??? Christ it's only the nationals, just a few more out of town riders.
scrivy
16th February 2010, 08:06
So why doesn't the Vic club make the meeting on the 27/28th feb the first round of their series too? I'm sure there's nothing stopping points being awarded for both NZ Champs and another series in the same race?
No different to what Wanganui and Taupo do for individual points and accummulated points for the entire Tri-Series.
Quasievil
16th February 2010, 09:25
I just looked through the 1991 NZ grand prix programme (Ruapuna)
11 formula one
6 senior production
8 125cc racing
So its never been a winner.....................thought it would have been sorted by now.
hilarious !!
in summary then the Nationals is for our premier riders but its NOT our premier event, and never has been?
gixerracer
16th February 2010, 16:47
So its never been a winner.....................thought it would have been sorted by now.
hilarious !!
in summary then the Nationals is for our premier riders but its NOT our premier event, and never has been?
only because the modern day club racer seems to be not interested in doing the nats if the people supported the series it would be fucken Orsum ask any of the guys that had there first crack at it in the last two seasons they learned shit loads and had a ball
Nonbeliever
16th February 2010, 17:10
why people cant see that is beyond me, but this is only my opinion which dont count for much lol
thats true
close racing, thats what people want to see
KS34
16th February 2010, 18:48
:shake: Mock me if you will but I was running at the back of the grid last years winter series as well and as the front runners got faster, so did we. For me it aint about winning (atm) its about learning to ride better and faster and watching my lap times fall. Hey, if you stay in the same class long enough you're surely going to end up at the pointy end eventually!! ;)
Not taking the piss Helen I agree seeing the cup half full not half empty.. then Wharfy provided a great reply.
only because the modern day club racer seems to be not interested in doing the nats if the people supported the series it would be fucken Orsum ask any of the guys that had there first crack at it in the last two seasons they learned shit loads and had a ball
I agree 100%
Str8 Jacket
16th February 2010, 19:44
Not taking the piss Helen I agree seeing the cup half full not half empty.. then Wharfy provided a great reply.
You know how sensitive I am..! :laugh:
Whitebait
16th February 2010, 20:00
only because the modern day club racer seems to be not interested in doing the nats if the people supported the series it would be fucken Orsum ask any of the guys that had there first crack at it in the last two seasons they learned shit loads and had a ball
My first National round was manfeild last year and I had a ripper of a time! had to up my game to keep up with Duncan on his SV.
I went 2 seconds faster over the space of a weekend due to how much time you get on the track and got to watch some fantastic racing.
lostinflyz
16th February 2010, 20:06
My first National round was manfeild last year and I had a ripper of a time! had to up my game to keep up with Duncan on his SV.
I went 2 seconds faster over the space of a weekend due to how much time you get on the track and got to watch some fantastic racing.
yep. same here. i was over 4 seconds faster at levels, a second faster a ruapuna (one days dry time) and 2 secs. faster at invercargill. And i decided it was that much fun im heading north for the final round.
do it once, do it proper and youll be hooked i say.
wharfy
16th February 2010, 20:36
Haha, nicely done mate! Maybe that can be my new race team: Remedial Racing
That's got a nice ring to it !!
eelracing
16th February 2010, 23:58
I just looked through the 1991 NZ grand prix programme (Ruapuna)
11 formula one
6 senior production
8 125cc racing
Just out of interest,did they run a 250cc production class?
If so what kind of numbers were competing.
slowpoke
17th February 2010, 02:22
do it once, do it proper and youll be hooked i say.
I fucked it up completely and I'm still hooked, haha.
roogazza
18th February 2010, 07:31
I will be treating like any other Vic Club round seeing as they are running it. How much more different will it be??? Christ it's only the nationals, just a few more out of town riders.
I take it you're young ? excellent attitude, pity more didn't think that way. G.
nzkr1
18th February 2010, 09:20
I take it you're young ? excellent attitude, pity more didn't think that way. G.
33 years young... I raced a fews back in F3 at a national round on a motard when we were allowed. I didn't think it was any different to a 2 day vic club meeting. Can't wait to get back on the old KR1.
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