How to spell GAY

[Crasherfromwayback]

Easy. Moto2

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Feb/10021801.htm

Turning proper road racing into proddie racing. Dickheads.

[CHOPPA]

Maybe the guys running the 250s this year will smoke them

[k14]

Easy. Moto2

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Feb/10021801.htm

Turning proper road racing into proddie racing. Dickheads.
I think wait and see, I am pretty interested to see 35+ bikes on the grid!

Maybe the guys running the 250s this year will smoke them
Nope cause there ain't going to be any 250's on the track cause no one is running them!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think wait and see, I am pretty interested to see 35+ bikes on the grid!



I can see that anytime mate. Just gotta go to a Superbike round. They had that many 250's on the grid anyway. Killing the 250's off sucks arse.

[RDjase]

HOW TO SPELL GAY


HONDA isnt it?

[RDjase]

Easy. Moto2

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Feb/10021801.htm

Turning proper road racing into proddie racing. Dickheads.

That really sucks that the mighty strokers are gone ,
How long before they wreck the 125s?

Bring back the 500s ! That was REAL racing !

[steveyb]

Only one team expressed interest in running a 250 then they backed out.
Stink!!!
I wonder how much more speed the race spec engine will be worth.
They are getting them in March.

[Cleve]

C'mon you bunch of old dinosaurs~! The world has moved on... move with it and have a little enthusiasm for what might actually be a class with outstanding racing and any of 10 possible winners on the day. (Oh - that is kind of like SBK and WSS isn't it?!!)

[Brian d marge]

As I have said many times before

600 is the way to go , both for NZ and Moto2, for a whole bunch of reasons

I'm very interested in this class

might need a tweak or two , but I'm hoping the costs will be way down and more will enter as wild cards for example

Stephen

[Shaun]

CRASHERFROMWAYBACK " Fixed it for ya"

[Crasherfromwayback]

As I have said many times before

600 is the way to go , both for NZ and Moto2, for a whole bunch of reasons

I'm very interested in this class

might need a tweak or two , but I'm hoping the costs will be way down and more will enter as wild cards for example

Stephen

You can enter your hotrod 600 as a wild card in Super Sport Stephen. Doesn't mean Moto GP rounds should have them too does it?

[k14]

You can enter your hotrod 600 as a wild card in Super Sport Stephen. Doesn't mean Moto GP rounds should have them too does it?
No you can't actually, you have to use production based frame and engine.

The fact of the matter is that the 250 grid was ever dwindling with a cost of around 1 million euro a year to run one of the front running aprillias. Along with that the "also rans" were ever decreasing in numbers, some races last year only had 20 odd entries. I don't really give two stuffs what kind of bike they are running, I want to see some close races and 3-4 guys still with a shot of taking out the championship going into the last race. Looking at the testing results it is doing that too, top 5 within 0.1s. Give it 6 months and then see if it's a success!

[Crasherfromwayback]

No you can't actually, you have to use production based frame and engine.

The fact of the matter is that the 250 grid was ever dwindling with a cost of around 1 million euro a year to run one of the front running aprillias. Along with that the "also rans" were ever decreasing in numbers, some races last year only had 20 odd entries. I don't really give two stuffs what kind of bike they are running, I want to see some close races and 3-4 guys still with a shot of taking out the championship going into the last race. Looking at the testing results it is doing that too, top 5 within 0.1s. Give it 6 months and then see if it's a success!

I fully know the regs for Super sport thanks mate. I was meaning if you want to enter a 600 race as a wild card you can. Doubt there'll be too many in the new class though. Don't think I can recall seeing only 20 250's either. Like I say...if you're that keen on seeing 35 600's race...go see a Superbike round. Odd that most of the last world champs in Moto GP have come from 250 backround though eh? Not from WSS

[k14]

I fully know the regs for Super sport thanks mate. I was meaning if you want to enter a 600 race as a wild card you can. Doubt there'll be too many in the new class though. Don't think I can recall seeing only 20 250's either. Like I say...if you're that keen on seeing 35 600's race...go see a Superbike round. Odd that most of the last world champs in Moto GP have come from 250 backround though eh? Not from WSS
Yeah but you could argue that the reason they aren't good enough from wss/wsbk is that they are using road bike chassis and with moto2 having prototype chassis (most likely very similar to motogp chassis) that the riders will be better suited to the 800's than if they had steped up from 250's, already knowing how a 4 stroke engine behaves.

And I don't think they are going to be having any problems getting entries http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156321/1/moto2_to_launch_with_full_entry_list.html

Looking back through a few 250 races last year 23-25 seemed to be the norm with less than 20 finishing on multiple occasions. Compared with 125's where they were regularly getting 33-35+.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah but you could argue that the reason they aren't good enough from wss/wsbk is that they are using road bike chassis and with moto2 having prototype chassis (most likely very similar to motogp chassis) that the riders will be better suited to the 800's than if they had steped up from 250's, already knowing how a 4 stroke engine behaves.

And I don't think they are going to be having any problems getting entries http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/156321/1/moto2_to_launch_with_full_entry_list.html

Looking back through a few 250 races last year 23-25 seemed to be the norm with less than 20 finishing on multiple occasions. Compared with 125's where they were regularly getting 33-35+.


That maybe so...but not people could ever argue that more often than not...the 250's provided the best racing/action.

[k14]

That maybe so...but not people could ever argue that more often than not...the 250's provided the best racing/action.
Nah I'd take wss or 125's anyday. Lately the 250's have more often than not been a yawn fest much like motogp, although yes, the odd 250 race has been great! I just can't see how you can write the class off before the first test has even concluded?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah I'd take wss or 125's anyday. Lately the 250's have more often than not been a yawn fest much like motogp, although yes, the odd 250 race has been great! I just can't see how you can write the class off before the first test has even concluded?

Simple. I don't like 600 based racing in Moto GP!

[pritch]

I was sorry to see the 250s go, but I'm looking forward to the new 600s. As someone has mentioned the cost of leasing an Aprilia was astronomical - and the spares kit was extra. Lots! Can't remember the fine detail but it was described over the PA system at Phillip Island 2008.

The new 600s are only a fraction of the cost.

KTM have built some bikes on the instructions of their CE by putting MotoX engines into pukka GP racing frames. A 250 engine in a 125 frame, and a 400 in a 250 frame. The thought is that they want to be a jump ahead when the 125s finally go too.

It won't sound the same...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was sorry to see the 250s go, but I'm looking forward to the new 600s. As someone has mentioned the cost of leasing an Aprilia was astronomical - and the spares kit was extra. Lots! Can't remember the fine detail but it was described over the PA system at Phillip Island 2008.

The new 600s are only a fraction of the cost.

KTM have built some bikes on the instructions of their CE by putting MotoX engines into pukka GP racing frames. A 250 engine in a 125 frame, and a 400 in a 250 frame. The thought is that they want to be a jump ahead when the 125s finally go too.

It won't sound the same...

I mean really...who cares about the cost? Not me. Certainly not when there's still 30 of them racing each other hard out. Cut back the telementary...and save the bucks. Because like you say...it's gonna sound like a (loud) Superbike meeting soon. GP racing is (was) the home of the 2 stroke!

[Shaun]

Simple. I don't like 600 based racing in Moto GP!

sez the guy that has a chook chaser racing on the roads on his screen

[Crasherfromwayback]

sez the guy that has a chook chaser racing on the roads on his screen

Damn straight. Beaten many so called 'names' on 250GP bikes on one in my time too! BUT...unilke a lot of people here...I've also ridden/raced an RS250 GP bike as well. Hence my love of them

[woodyracer]

HONDA isnt it?

watch it......ahaha

[Ivan]

Theres nothing stopping a wildcard running TigCraft have on there website that you can buy a Moto2 Spec chassis from them and you could most likely Hire a Engine from Dorna for the meeting or buy it.

Plus have you watched the video's of them none of them sound like superbikes at all even running 600 engines from production bikes they are all tuningthem with open pipes they sound amazing on video bet they sound even better in real life!

Times have changed I love 125 GP but also love new ideas for racing

[Robert Taylor]

Easy. Moto2

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Feb/10021801.htm

Turning proper road racing into proddie racing. Dickheads.

Is the ex CEO of MNZ working for them?

[Brian d marge]

A couple of points
up
Not many manufacturers are producing 250 2 strokes anymore , Costs have gone have gone up and Motogp was always about prototypes

I think this is a good thing, For a company it focuses development relative to product line , what wins on Sunday etc.

Gp racing has never been about 2 strokes , ( as much as I love them) I do think though that a one engine supplier ( am I right in this ?) isnt a good way to go , They could have ad power restrictions or longevity restrictions imposed but allowed differing manufaturers to produce the engines ie interpret the rules , ( eg limited to 140 bhp and must last 5 races , but allow internal mod ala yamahas crossplain crank )

but at the end of the day I think the racing will be close and I feel the costs will attract a lot of teams that are sitting on the fence at the moment such as Kenny Roberts team ( arent they interested ?)

Stephen

[gatch]

For a company it focuses development relative to product line , what wins on Sunday etc.

Gp racing has never been about 2 strokes

I thought the super bikes and supersport was all about homologation and sales ?

And that the GP was about the absolute pinnacle of handmade prototype everything. 125cc v4 2 strokes with nine gears. That shit is fuckin cool.

The astronomical cost of bike leasing is only a number set by some fuck in a suit, I would put money on the actual cost of running a bike being well less than a cool million euro.

[k14]

The astronomical cost of bike leasing is only a number set by some fuck in a suit, I would put money on the actual cost of running a bike being well less than a cool million euro.
And you know that how? When you have a production of a total of 4 bikes, the cost per bike is pretty high. I am pretty sure that the 1 million euro cost wouldn't even cover the ongoing engineering and development costs for the bike. Then on top of that you add up travel expenses for 15 guys to each round, along with crash damage etc, it pretty quickly gets very expensive!

[Oscar]

Is the ex CEO of MNZ working for them?

The Technical Director is Mike Webb.

[Ivan]

The Technical Director is Mike Webb.

I think he ment for superbike planet on Julian Ryders comments

[quickbuck]

And you know that how? When you have a production of a total of 4 bikes, the cost per bike is pretty high. I am pretty sure that the 1 million euro cost wouldn't even cover the ongoing engineering and development costs for the bike. Then on top of that you add up travel expenses for 15 guys to each round, along with crash damage etc, it pretty quickly gets very expensive!

Well, expencive is a bit of a relative term...
Yes, to the average Kiwi a Million Euro is quite a bit...

BUT we are talking second in line to the PREMIER Class on two wheels here!

Seen the budget of Ferrari? In fact, have a look to see that it costs to run a GP2 car, and the F3 as well....

To put it all into perspective, back in the 90's Castrol Honda was sponsored 4 million for the year... Yep, a bit of money that....
Same year, Castrol GAVE Williams Honda $6 Million to put their stickers on the end fences of the rear wing.....

Now, almost everybody on here would remember the Castrol RC45 when they saw it, and even remember who rode it, BUT I bet not many even knew Williams run Castrol products in their car, let alone ever saw the stickers!

Point is, MotoGP Is the Premier class of motorcycling, and once again, as far as publicity and sponsorship dollar from the big corporations goes... Well, we get a little ripped off... Well, not so much ripped off, just not willing to provide the sponsorship.

As said, the leasing cost of the bike is just a number that the manufacturer says........ No real reflection on the true cost, or value....

[gatch]

And you know that how? When you have a production of a total of 4 bikes, the cost per bike is pretty high. I am pretty sure that the 1 million euro cost wouldn't even cover the ongoing engineering and development costs for the bike. Then on top of that you add up travel expenses for 15 guys to each round, along with crash damage etc, it pretty quickly gets very expensive!

I was under the impression that the million euro was for the bike only. Not the dudes that hang around as well..

But I have been wrong before. Once ? Maybe..

[JayRacer37]

The real irony is that last season was the best 250 one in years! And Aprillia being beaten by a Honda in a class Honda killed...very funny. I bet the Italians wern't laughing though.

Moto2 looks like it has potential....Maybe this year and next they get the class established, then open slather on motors like MotoGP? As Brian said, would be great to have prototype motors from each manufacturer there - but set some rules ie 5 race per motor, 600, inline 4. Mind you htey are a bit close to motoGP withe the current 800's - maybe they can go back to 1000's? Or how about (if they want to reduce highsides but get the slides and racing going) 1100cc, 4 speed gearbox max, with mechanical slipper clutch only and no backshift electronics (or TC etc either)? They would have to build torquey motors with good power spread, so slides would be back. Combine that with a bike that will slide on corner entry and is forgiving to do so, they could have some awesome racing again....

But they will probably lower MotoGP to all GSXR750 motors or something, then combine Moto2 and MotoGP to lower costs :) Go MSMA!

[k14]

I was under the impression that the million euro was for the bike only. Not the dudes that hang around as well..

But I have been wrong before. Once ? Maybe..
Yes the million euro figure is for the bike only afaik. If I remember correctly it was around 4 million to run a simoncelli/bautista level project for a year.

The real irony is that last season was the best 250 one in years! And Aprillia being beaten by a Honda in a class Honda killed...very funny. I bet the Italians wern't laughing though.

Moto2 looks like it has potential....Maybe this year and next they get the class established, then open slather on motors like MotoGP? As Brian said, would be great to have prototype motors from each manufacturer there - but set some rules ie 5 race per motor, 600, inline 4. Mind you htey are a bit close to motoGP withe the current 800's - maybe they can go back to 1000's? Or how about (if they want to reduce highsides but get the slides and racing going) 1100cc, 4 speed gearbox max, with mechanical slipper clutch only and no backshift electronics (or TC etc either)? They would have to build torquey motors with good power spread, so slides would be back. Combine that with a bike that will slide on corner entry and is forgiving to do so, they could have some awesome racing again....

But they will probably lower MotoGP to all GSXR750 motors or something, then combine Moto2 and MotoGP to lower costs :) Go MSMA!
Gee what rock have you been hiding under, motogp is all but confirmed to be going back to 1000's in 2012.

[JayRacer37]

all but confirmed .

Jeez, we have not heard that from them and then had a complete about face before... :)

[Oscar]

I was under the impression that the million euro was for the bike only. Not the dudes that hang around as well..

But I have been wrong before. Once ? Maybe..

Lat years 250s are for sale for as little as 50,000 euro.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lat years 250s are for sale for as little as 50,000 euro.

I need to win Lotto sooooooo badly!

[Rcktfsh]

MotoGPMatters.com is reporting today that Honda have settled on a pretty low spec for the engines at 125 rwhp. Interesting quandry there in with needing to make the motors reliable and consistent for 3 race weekends, wouldn't be good PR having bikes blowing up versus looking silly if the 125's are lapping faster.

[avgas]

So let me get this right. Only buckets are now based on real bikes.
Bunch of bloody F1 groupies lol

[gatch]

Lat years 250s are for sale for as little as 50,000 euro.

As little as.. LOL

Still, that would be the tits.

[k14]

As little as.. LOL

Still, that would be the tits.
Yeah always thought an Aprillia would do as a good bears bike :)

[JayRacer37]

MotoGPMatters.com is reporting today that Honda have settled on a pretty low spec for the engines at 125 rwhp. Interesting quandry there in with needing to make the motors reliable and consistent for 3 race weekends, wouldn't be good PR having bikes blowing up versus looking silly if the 125's are lapping faster.

So basically, 600SP is going to be faster than the equiv. level Prototype class, and SBK has been knocking on the door of MotoGP for ages. Combine that with boring prototype racing with all the wizzbang gizmos, and SBK is going to be way the better series, for the next two years minimum! Honda should be producing 150rwhp in Moto2, since a WSS CBR600 makes 140...

[Rcktfsh]

So basically, 600SP is going to be faster than the equiv. level Prototype class, and SBK has been knocking on the door of MotoGP for ages. Combine that with boring prototype racing with all the wizzbang gizmos, and SBK is going to be way the better series, for the next two years minimum! Honda should be producing 150rwhp in Moto2, since a WSS CBR600 makes 140...

Closer to 150 for the WSS hondas/yamahas but there being freshened every meeting. Hondas original aims appears to have been 150 but it seems they got sick of digging engine parts out of the dyno room walls. The engines not only have to be reliable over three race weekends but just as importantly stay consistent over that period for the formula to be a level playing field.

[JayRacer37]

Closer to 150 for the WSS hondas/yamahas but there being freshened every meeting. Hondas original aims appears to have been 150 but it seems they got sick of digging engine parts out of the dyno room walls. The engines not only have to be reliable over three race weekends but just as importantly stay consistent over that period for the formula to be a level playing field.

Should have stock thousand motors in them instead then...oh no, that'll be MotoGP won't it? Prototype racing has gone to the dogs since 2002!

[cowpoos]

How to spell GAY.

Well that is the correct spelling...which was originally a acronym for 'God As You'
as an option to be different sometimes you could try the spelling Ghey.

[Rcktfsh]

Should have stock thousand motors in them instead then...oh no, that'll be MotoGP won't it? Prototype racing has gone to the dogs since 2002!

there you go again allways banging on about how good things where in the old days

[Rcktfsh]

Well that is the correct spelling...which was originally a acronym for 'God As You'
as an option to be different sometimes you could try the spelling Ghey.

thanks for that bishop poos

[Brian d marge]

Jus t been watching Moto2
pete Benson talking about the bike , suffering chatter at the moment and he is saying the teams that are on the ball with chassis setup are going to be the ones to watch

They sound good and the chassis are hand made prototypes ( That will be an interesting area those chassis will be thin and light )

Stephen

[blackdog]

50euros for last years 250?

should make the 125's a snip then. i'll have one of ea please..............

[k14]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/157400/1/valencia_moto2_test_times_-_overall.html

1 second off the 250 lap record and 2 seconds covering the top 28, sounds good to me :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/157400/1/valencia_moto2_test_times_-_overall.html

1 second off the 250 lap record and 2 seconds covering the top 28, sounds good to me :)

2 seconds is night and day man...