It's official, Fogarty has...

[Marknz]

choked on his own cock again!

From AMCN Vol 54 No 21 Pg 12

"Four times World Supebike Champion, Carl Fogarty, has claimed he'd have beaten Valentino Rossi had the two ever raced head-to-head. In an interview with Britain's Sky Sports, Foggy said: "I admire Rossi and I do rate him quite a lot, but I know when I was racing he was someone that rated me too. I'd love to race against him. I just believe if I had a bike, and a team that did everything I wanted to then I would beat him, that's just me. I have to believe that, I'm just being honest.""

[Two Smoker]

WANK WANK WANK WANK WANK.... He is a good rider, but dont go boasting about something that you havnt or CANT back up...

[Blakamin]

what a complete fuckwit.... (as usual)

[Skunk]

"Four times World Supebike Champion, Carl Fogarty, has claimed he'd have beaten Valentino Rossi had the two ever raced head-to-head. In an interview with Britain's Sky Sports, Foggy said: "I admire Rossi and I do rate him quite a lot, but I know when I was racing he was someone that rated me too. I'd love to race against him. I jsut believe if I had a bike, and a team that did everything I wanted to then I would beat him, that's just me. I have to believe that, I'm just being honest."I see a Tui ad... :killingme

[TwoSeven]

Why is it that people here have problems with people who are self confident. Is it because they fear their own abilities so much.

Read the original quote properly folks.

[Blakamin]

Why is it that people here have problems with people who are self confident. Is it because they fear their own abilities so much.


no... its because he's always been a complete dick... why would he change now???

[Grumpy]

Why is it that people here have problems with people who are self confident. Is it because they fear their own abilities so much.

Read the original quote properly folks.

Yep, re-read it........ and he's still a :tugger:

[Matt Bleck]

I just believe if I had a bike, and a team that did everything I wanted to then I would beat him,

Not on a Petronas :msn-wink:

[Storm]

If he really is the grand poobah of them all, he should ask for a lend of Rossis spare bike(s), thus giving mechanical equality, and a few practice rides, and then put his money where his mouth is

[Coyote]

He's dremin

[Sensei]

I suppose if I'd won 4 World SBK titles I'd be abit up myself to .Don't know about beating Rossi ?? is that now or did he mean while he was racing ? If it was when he was riding it could have been close may have even managed a Win ,hard to say . I don't mind C Fogarty purely for his Skill tho

[SPman]

Im with TwoSeven on this one.......although Foggy at his peak would not get near Rossi.
He still has the evilest "look", though.

[Skunk]

I can't see Fogarty beating Rossi more than 1 to 10 races... He's not that good. Just look at who has beaten Fogarty, how and when.

[TwoSeven]

You seen his eyes when he is angry. Saw him mad once when he was club racing - not a pretty site :)

Basically what he is saying is that he is confident that he can achieve anything he puts his mind to. Which is true of any successful person - if they had self doubt, they wouldnt achieve anything would they.

Rossi is exactly the same, and to be honest, so as any club racer in this channel - if they weren't, they wouldnt be lining up on the grid to compete against everyone else now would they. I would expect everyone one else in MotoGP to be thinking the same thing - after all, they are trying to beat him every other week aint they - you wouldnt be doing that if you didnt think you could.

The problem is, there are many people that cant cope with self confident people - perhaps as I said before, they have too much self doubt in their own lives to be able to understand the view of someone who has none.

Also if you read the article correctly you can see the author is trying to twist words. He is saying "he'd have beaten" Rossi, where carl is actually saying "then I would beat him". One is past tense the other is future tense. Put that down to the auther being a complete tit. Heck, misquoting someone in the same paragraph is a pretty silly mistake.

[TonyB]

What a complete and utter tosser! :killingme He won his championships when the rules were heavily in favour of the Ducati's he won them on. Michelin made sure he had the best tyres. He effectively had no competition. Those that challenged him on inferior machiney did it by riding the wheels of their bikes.
Non Ducati riders complained for years that the WSBK rules gave 1000cc V-Twins an unfair advantage. This year it looks as though they are being proven 100% correct. Now that the rules aren't completely stifiling the 1000cc fours performance, last years Ducati mounted "World Champion" is consistantly circulating in the middle of the pack. What more proof does Foggarty need?
I think the right point was made above, he's starting to doubt the validity of his titles, and being an insecure pratt, he is shooting off at the mouth.

[Marknz]

You seen his eyes when he is angry. Saw him mad once when he was club racing - not a pretty site :)

Basically what he is saying is that he is confident that he can achieve anything he puts his mind to. Which is true of any successful person - if they had self doubt, they wouldnt achieve anything would they.

Rossi is exactly the same, and to be honest, so as any club racer in this channel - if they weren't, they wouldnt be lining up on the grid to compete against everyone else now would they. I would expect everyone one else in MotoGP to be thinking the same thing - after all, they are trying to beat him every other week aint they - you wouldnt be doing that if you didnt think you could.

The problem is, there are many people that cant cope with self confident people - perhaps as I said before, they have too much self doubt in their own lives to be able to understand the view of someone who has none.

Also if you read the article correctly you can see the author is trying to twist words. He is saying "he'd have beaten" Rossi, where carl is actually saying "then I would beat him". One is past tense the other is future tense. Put that down to the auther being a complete tit. Heck, misquoting someone in the same paragraph is a pretty silly mistake.

Have to disagree with you there fella. At least a dozen of the current MotoGP field will turn up just for the competition and the cheque at the end of the meeting. They know they have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Rossi and it's as simple as that.

And myself as a former club racer also used to know that I would never have a chance of beating the top riders in my class in Aussie, but I was there to compete with the blokes around me at the back of the field and that was great fun as we fought our own little wars within the pack.

Past tense future tense? I don't know that Fogarty is that smart a user of the English language not to have used two different tenses in the same sentence, so there is no point in putting shit on the scribe.

[WINJA]

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE HAS BEEN.
I COULD BEAT FOGGY IF ROSSI WAS DOUBLING ME.ROSSI IS POSIBLY THE BEST RIDER EVER

[Bren_chch]

Why is it that people here have problems with people who are self confident. Is it because they fear their own abilities so much.

Read the original quote properly folks.

Yeah, I cant see anything wrong with that at all!

[justsomeguy]

Hey, I'm sure I too could beat Rossi had my dad been billy gates and I started riding at the age of -1.

Too many "if's" there.........

[John]

Spose thats what happens when you can lick your own balls, Silly fogarty.. Brings back memories of teletubbies, 'noeee fogarty - iss tubby cuzstards'..

[gav]

I'm pretty sure we've covered this before. Fogarty is right what he's saying, that he believes that with the right team and bike he would have been able to beat Rossi. I'm sure Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz even Biaggi now, Gibernau, Edwards, Hayden, Barros etc all believe they can beat Rossi, whether they can or not is another matter but I'm sure they believe they can Fogarty at his best was pretty bloody good, don't forget wasnt like he was the only Ducati out there. You seen some of his Isle of Man rides? The one where he smashed the lap record on a dodgy old OW01, farkin' amazing. The man was a farkin' legend on a bike, and he speaks his own mind, good on him, and the press love, cos they know his quotes will still sell the mags and papers and get tounges talking.
Shame he never got a proper crack at 500's, the few rides he had were pretty impressive. He filled in for Chilis team one year and they wouldnt even move the footpegs or seat position for him!

[Marmoot]

choked on his own cock again!

I have read and re-read the quote, and it is anatomically impossible!
Absolute filth! It is anatomically impossible!
:no:

[Biff]

Foggy may well have beaten him, but I doubt he has anywhere near in the kind of shape, personal and race fitness considered, to beat Rossi today, even if he did have access to the same bike/funds/team etc.

But in any competition psychology and self belief pay a significant part in winning, and on that note, and with Foggy's self-confidence, he's probably won already.

But then again it's a fact that I would also beat Rossi on my BiffBird. Makes no difference that I won't ever have a chance to prove it. Me ego will ensure that I triumph and show that curly haired lanky string of crap how to really ride. Don't believe me? Prove otherwise. :whistle:

[Coldkiwi]

i'm not sure what the quote demonstrates more: Fogarty's confidence in his abilities or his lack of confidence in his past abilities!!
He may be a great rider, but he's definitely trying to big note himself there. I wonder if someone will donate two identical bikes for him and Rossi to ride a track somewhere to see if he'll put his money where his mouth is?

[vifferman]

Fogarty at his best was pretty bloody good,
True, but he's still a dick. I got really tired of him whingeing and bleating about how his tyres were no good, and his team had screwed the bike up, and someone had cut him off, blah blah blah. ANd that was when he podiumed!
The thing that got me most was that he said he didn't actually like racing bikes, just winning (which is why he whined when he came "only" second or "only" third.) Complete contrast to Rossi, who while he loves to win, loves a challenge even more (regardless of the outcome) and LOVES racing bikes.

[vifferman]

Here's some classic piss-take of Fogarty, from MotoGP News:

"What we have with MotoGP is a joke. Just not a funny one…unlike my jokes that are always funny - look out for my latest book 'King Frog's legendary jokes' for further details.
Sometimes people say to me "Oh King Frog. You are a legend. Given the opportunity where would you rank in the current MotoGP riders?" Well I'll tell you. I always rated myself as being quite a bit better than Rossi - it stands to reason with my high corner speed style. Furthermore Rossi has always looked at my aquatic achievements in awe and rated me as his idol. Now if you look where Rossi has finished in GP's over the past few years then obviously I'd be a bit higher than that. Which, by my legendary calculations, would mean I'd easily be MotoGP's best rider if only I'd had the opportunity.

Here's my top five losers at China

MotoGP
GP's have always been the poor relation to the superior rich uncle that is World Superbikes…especially in 90's. But this weekend's race in China was a showing that GP's are nothing more than international club events designed for the TV viewing public who don't really understand motorcycle racing or the skill needed to have high corner-speed like me. Jacque would never have finished second in a WSB race, not even if he was on a Petronas. He's definitely no legendary King Frog! Hahah! See what I did there? How I used 'Frog' because he's French? I better write that one down. I told you I was funny didn't I? It even says so on my website.

Sete Gibernau
Here's another example of the state of MotoGP. I didn't win countless World LillyPad championships by sulking about my back tyre and shaking my head. Gibernau should have simply adjusted his style to suit and then cranked up his corner speed that way he'd have powered to victory. I was always noted as a rider who just got on with the winning aspects of racing. Gibernau should take a leaf out of my book…any of them.

Max Biaggi
I've never really rated this guy - he wouldn't cut the mustard in 'Supers. What I don't really understand is all his moaning. Moaning gets you nowhere. That's why I was always noted in the paddock as not being a moaner. If something was wrong with the bike I'd get my spanners out and fix it myself. I was always a brilliant mechanic and could have been the best mechanic in the world given the opportunity. My latest book 'Froggy's bikes' explains how I engineered and designed all my winning bikes - from the colour scheme to 250cc overbore. All my own work.

Kenny Roberts
Now the non-Superbike fans amongst you probably thought that Kenny Roberts Junior had a mechanical failure that cost him the race. Let me assure you it wasn't. No, he pulled over because he lost his nerve. I remember his dad having the same problem and retiring from racing when I came onto the scene. It runs in the Roberts bloodline I'm afraid. Never rated any of them.

Nicky Hayden
Never really rated Americans - and this guy is no exception. Water in his electronics? Adjust your style to suit I'd say."

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[Motoracer]

Here's some classic piss-take of Fogarty, from MotoGP News:

"What we have with MotoGP is a joke. Just not a funny one…unlike my jokes that are always funny - look out for my latest book 'King Frog's legendary jokes' for further details.
Sometimes people say to me "Oh King Frog. You are a legend. Given the opportunity where would you rank in the current MotoGP riders?" Well I'll tell you. I always rated myself as being quite a bit better than Rossi - it stands to reason with my high corner speed style. Furthermore Rossi has always looked at my aquatic achievements in awe and rated me as his idol. Now if you look where Rossi has finished in GP's over the past few years then obviously I'd be a bit higher than that. Which, by my legendary calculations, would mean I'd easily be MotoGP's best rider if only I'd had the opportunity.

Here's my top five losers at China

MotoGP
GP's have always been the poor relation to the superior rich uncle that is World Superbikes…especially in 90's. But this weekend's race in China was a showing that GP's are nothing more than international club events designed for the TV viewing public who don't really understand motorcycle racing or the skill needed to have high corner-speed like me. Jacque would never have finished second in a WSB race, not even if he was on a Petronas. He's definitely no legendary King Frog! Hahah! See what I did there? How I used 'Frog' because he's French? I better write that one down. I told you I was funny didn't I? It even says so on my website.

Sete Gibernau
Here's another example of the state of MotoGP. I didn't win countless World LillyPad championships by sulking about my back tyre and shaking my head. Gibernau should have simply adjusted his style to suit and then cranked up his corner speed that way he'd have powered to victory. I was always noted as a rider who just got on with the winning aspects of racing. Gibernau should take a leaf out of my book…any of them.

Max Biaggi
I've never really rated this guy - he wouldn't cut the mustard in 'Supers. What I don't really understand is all his moaning. Moaning gets you nowhere. That's why I was always noted in the paddock as not being a moaner. If something was wrong with the bike I'd get my spanners out and fix it myself. I was always a brilliant mechanic and could have been the best mechanic in the world given the opportunity. My latest book 'Froggy's bikes' explains how I engineered and designed all my winning bikes - from the colour scheme to 250cc overbore. All my own work.

Kenny Roberts
Now the non-Superbike fans amongst you probably thought that Kenny Roberts Junior had a mechanical failure that cost him the race. Let me assure you it wasn't. No, he pulled over because he lost his nerve. I remember his dad having the same problem and retiring from racing when I came onto the scene. It runs in the Roberts bloodline I'm afraid. Never rated any of them.

Nicky Hayden
Never really rated Americans - and this guy is no exception. Water in his electronics? Adjust your style to suit I'd say."

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I was going to agree with Two Seven for a bit there but if the comments given above are true, then what a tosser. I wish him and rossi did have a race together and have his pride and over confidence, shatter.

[vifferman]

I was going to agree with Two Seven for a bit there but if the comments given above are true, then what a tosser. I wish him and rossi did have a race together and have his pride and over confidence, shatter.
You do realise that was a MotoGP News pisstake? Those aren't actual Fogarty quotes?
F'rinstance:
"Moaning gets you nowhere. That's why I was always noted in the paddock as not being a moaner. If something was wrong with the bike I'd get my spanners out and fix it myself. I was always a brilliant mechanic and could have been the best mechanic in the world given the opportunity."

Now in fact, Fogarty is known as being king of the moaners.:yes:

It's a pity I don't have access to the last "King Frog" article, where "Frogarty" rubbishes Rossi and says how much better he is.

[Motoracer]

You do realise that was a MotoGP News pisstake? Those aren't actual Fogarty quotes?
F'rinstance:
"Moaning gets you nowhere. That's why I was always noted in the paddock as not being a moaner. If something was wrong with the bike I'd get my spanners out and fix it myself. I was always a brilliant mechanic and could have been the best mechanic in the world given the opportunity."

Now in fact, Fogarty is known as being king of the moaners.:yes:

It's a pity I don't have access to the last "King Frog" article, where "Frogarty" rubbishes Rossi and says how much better he is.

Oh ok, my bad then. :Oops:

[k14]

I was going to agree with Two Seven for a bit there but if the comments given above are true, then what a tosser. I wish him and rossi did have a race together and have his pride and over confidence, shatter.

ROFLMAO, come on man, you're not that gullable are ya?? Better quickly change your post, oh no too late sorry :killingme

[badlieutenant]

id have liked to have seen a slight vs foggy on identical bikes.

[vifferman]

id have liked to have seen a slight vs foggy on identical bikes.
I'd have liked to have seen Slight win that year when he missed out by a couple of points. That was his year - one better start that season, and he would've been #1. Still, in a couple of races he was absolutely superb - twice he crashed and made his way back up to second.

[Brian d marge]

I could beat Rossi , no problem at all ....
You lot stump up the cash for the bike Ill ride it and ride it ...and ride it ,,,

I ll give it a good shot any way!!! :killingme :ride:

I would,, LOVE JUST ONCE... to ride a GP bike ..... SANTA you listening

Foggy Can say anything he wants :puke: ...I dont have to listen .

and when the flag drops ......it all stops ....so they say

Stephen

[Fluffy Cat]

I have shared greetings with foggy many years ago in sunny essex when i nicked his parking spot.I think the Essex term WANKER!!! about sums him up. :whocares:

[pommie girl]

I have shared greetings with foggy many years ago in sunny essex when i nicked his parking spot.I think the Essex term WANKER!!! about sums him up. :whocares:

Hey!! Wanker isn't an Essex term, thank you very much. Hmmm, though we might use it more liberally than the rest of the UK... :D

[badlieutenant]

I'd have liked to have seen Slight win that year when he missed out by a couple of points. That was his year - one better start that season, and he would've been #1. Still, in a couple of races he was absolutely superb - twice he crashed and made his way back up to second.
thats why i rekon slighty would beat foggy. He came close to winning on a 750 against a litre bike. I found it really frustrating at times (altho it was awesome racing) to see slight work his way up to fogggy and even get past only to be blown away on the straight.
This year the Superbikes are real superbikes and go suzuki eer honda. Would kinda like to see suzuki win this one. Either way it bloody awesome racing so far.



1 Troy Corser (AUS) Alstare Suzuki Corona 182
2 Yukio Kagayama (JPN) Alstare Suzuki Corona 130
3 Chris Vermeulen (AUS) Ten Kate Honda 115
4 Regis Laconi (FRA) Team Ducati XeroX 87
5 Andrew Pitt (AUS) Yamaha Italia 60
6 James Toseland (GBR) Team Ducati XeroX 57
7 Chris Walker (GBR) Team PSG-1 Corse 54
- Norrick Abe (JPN) Yamaha France 54
9 Noriyuki Haga (JPN) Yamaha Italia 52

oh and has anyone else seen troy corsers comments on racing with foggy ?

[Fluffy Cat]

No its true sooner or later everything comes from Essex....Its...its like black holes.....

[Ghost Lemur]

oh and has anyone else seen troy corsers comments on racing with foggy ?

No. Got a link? c&p?

As for the losers comments. He can tell himself (and unfortunately the rest of the world) that he could beat Rossi. Doesn't make it fact. Or even believable for that matter. The fact of the matter is he was only a superbike champion, and never proved himself to be a real world champion. It's like some loser wining winning Indy a couple of times and saying they could wipe the floor with Schummacher.

Self belief is one thing. Delusion is another.

[TwoSeven]

Hey!! Wanker isn't an Essex term, thank you very much. Hmmm, though we might use it more liberally than the rest of the UK... :D

Yes, I didnt know that essex folks were educated enough to use a a word with so many letters in it :killingme :killingme

[gav]

id have liked to have seen a slight vs foggy on identical bikes.
Something like Castrol Honda RC45's maybe? Hang on, they did :niceone: Foggys first year, 4 wins, Slight 1 win, but Slighty finished in front in the championship

[Biff]

What I find intersting is the fact that Foggy has never bad mouthed me. Because he knows I'd kick his arse, both on and off the track. :yes:

:doctor: Ahhhhh - that's better.

[badlieutenant]

No. Got a link? c&p?
no but I read it in the latest two wheels mag. not hard to miss as it got a yellow Corona Suzuki on the front cover. If you cant get it I could scan it if you like (mr mellon or nc-30 have it at the moment i think)

[Toast]

Here's some classic piss-take of Fogarty, from MotoGP News:

"What we have with MotoGP is a joke. Just not a funny one…unlike my jokes that are always funny - look out for my latest book 'King Frog's legendary jokes' for further details.
Sometimes people say to me "Oh King Frog. You are a legend. Given the opportunity where would you rank in the current MotoGP riders?" Well I'll tell you. I always rated myself as being quite a bit better than Rossi - it stands to reason with my high corner speed style. Furthermore Rossi has always looked at my aquatic achievements in awe and rated me as his idol. Now if you look where Rossi has finished in GP's over the past few years then obviously I'd be a bit higher than that. Which, by my legendary calculations, would mean I'd easily be MotoGP's best rider if only I'd had the opportunity.

Here's my top five losers at China

MotoGP
GP's have always been the poor relation to the superior rich uncle that is World Superbikes…especially in 90's. But this weekend's race in China was a showing that GP's are nothing more than international club events designed for the TV viewing public who don't really understand motorcycle racing or the skill needed to have high corner-speed like me. Jacque would never have finished second in a WSB race, not even if he was on a Petronas. He's definitely no legendary King Frog! Hahah! See what I did there? How I used 'Frog' because he's French? I better write that one down. I told you I was funny didn't I? It even says so on my website.

Sete Gibernau
Here's another example of the state of MotoGP. I didn't win countless World LillyPad championships by sulking about my back tyre and shaking my head. Gibernau should have simply adjusted his style to suit and then cranked up his corner speed that way he'd have powered to victory. I was always noted as a rider who just got on with the winning aspects of racing. Gibernau should take a leaf out of my book…any of them.

Max Biaggi
I've never really rated this guy - he wouldn't cut the mustard in 'Supers. What I don't really understand is all his moaning. Moaning gets you nowhere. That's why I was always noted in the paddock as not being a moaner. If something was wrong with the bike I'd get my spanners out and fix it myself. I was always a brilliant mechanic and could have been the best mechanic in the world given the opportunity. My latest book 'Froggy's bikes' explains how I engineered and designed all my winning bikes - from the colour scheme to 250cc overbore. All my own work.

Kenny Roberts
Now the non-Superbike fans amongst you probably thought that Kenny Roberts Junior had a mechanical failure that cost him the race. Let me assure you it wasn't. No, he pulled over because he lost his nerve. I remember his dad having the same problem and retiring from racing when I came onto the scene. It runs in the Roberts bloodline I'm afraid. Never rated any of them.

Nicky Hayden
Never really rated Americans - and this guy is no exception. Water in his electronics? Adjust your style to suit I'd say."

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Hahahaha...nice one.

Firstly, I agree that Foggy is an arrogant prick, and I don't like arrogant pricks at all.

Still, I read the original article on some US site a while back, and the impression I got is that he was basically saying that he's a super competitive prick, and no matter who the competition, that competitive nature would drive him to beat the rest and be the best. Still pretty big words, and it's a bit redundant to say it given that it will never even be allowed to happen in any realm of possibility today...but I think it's unfair to say that he's claiming he's definitely number one and he'd wipe the floor with Rossi.

[Lou Girardin]

Foggy = thick and wet.

[Motu]

Back in his day I rated Foggy highly,he was super competitive....when he got pissed off and was after someone you could see it,you just knew whoever he was after was a gonner,and those eyes - if I was sitting next to him on the grid and he turned and gave me that look I'd just stall the bike and topple over on my side.One of his most memorable races for me was against Edwards - they were going into the last corner elbowing each other,Edwards pushed Foggy right out onto the grass,but Foggy came around him off the track and on the grass to win! So,so competitive.

But every so often in motorcycle racing comes along someone who can't ride for shit - but they are winners,Carl Fogarty is one of these.He can't set a bike up...he'll make some change that's completly wrong...and go faster and win! After reading Slight's book,Foggy's own book and some others I'm pretty sure he hasn't got a bloody clue...but he doesn't need to,he gets results.I have a test in a magazine where Allan Cathcart rides both Foggy's and Slights Honda's back to back - he said Carls bike was almost unriderble,a totally bizzare set up,a very high seat - in Cathcarts words ''Still,the overall effect of the set up wasn't very confidence inspiring - but if that's how Carl likes it,who am I to argue'' then on Slights RC45 - ''it was just a much nicer ride all round''.Ok,one man's view,but how many race bikes has Cathcart ridden over the years - I don't think there is anyone in the world who has a broader experiance.

Foggy couldn't beat Rossi because he couldn't go to Yamaha and turn a loser into a winner,he's not that bright....the Foggy/Petronas?????

[WINJA]

HAVE YOU SEEN FOGGYS WIFE FOGMELLA , YUM YUM

[v.ros`]

cmon guys.... the man is just expressing his opinion and to be honest, even thought we all think he can not do it, we will never know. He is just confident in himself and that is something you should have in order to defeat your opponent.

its like comparing muhammad ali with Mike tyson or lennex lewis. You will never know who really is good and would win a fight among them. We know Muhammad Ali is a legend and that in his days, he was theeee best, which can also be said for Lennex lewis.

Regarding Fogarty and rossi, i personally belive Rossi would win, but saying that technology changes and maybe if Fogarty would be in his peak now in moto Gp, then i think he would give Rossi a damn good challenge.

well thats my 2 cents.

[gav]

So do ya think Fogarty could've beaten Barros or Gibernau? Both have beaten Rossi so why couldnt Fogarty in his heyday?

[v.ros`]

well they have been really good back then :D

im sure foggy must have beaten them in some races..??

(never really followed motoGp until got my bike so donnow.... was only watching during Aaron slight days but even then... didnt hear bout gibernau..)

guess we will never know who would really win between the doctor and foggy !