Can I pay my registration early and AVOID the new fees? [Archive]

DougieNZ

9th March 2010, 10:35

The following is the information I got from the NZTA today:

The new fees start from 1 July 2010

If your registration expires on or after that date you are screwed. You will be liable to pay the new fees even if you go in and pay early...

If your registration is due before that date you can relicence using the usual forms for up to 12 months.

Or you can fill in a MR27 for a maximum of 15 months. use of the MR27 will incur a $7.30 administration charge.

So there it is... the hot oil from the NZTA. Please post here if you have heard any different.

PLEASE don't turn this in to a I am paying/I'm not paying debate. This is purely for information of those that intend to pay.

howdamnhard

9th March 2010, 10:38

I went and extended mine from 6 months to 12 months. Will only work once unfortuneately but it's better than nothing.

Scuba_Steve

9th March 2010, 11:02

you can not pay and avoid the new fees :lol: Or claim it as a "farm" vehicle & its only 37$ a year (Now that's a deal!!!)

EJK

9th March 2010, 11:06

Hmm? Does that mean Nick Smith won the battle?

Vgygrwr

9th March 2010, 12:10

I had renewed mine for 6 months then saw the light and extended to 15 months using the MR27 did not notice an additional charge in fact the 9 months seemed to be at a lower rate then the 6. I then sold the bike so the new owner gets the benefit. This was a month ago.

trev

16th March 2010, 07:51

and be aware that if your rego extends past the new fee date it is likely to be stolen. I had mine nicked Sunday week ago at Raglan - along with my plate. What a dick - if my plate had been left I wouldn't have noticed the rego was gone.

YellowDog

19th March 2010, 05:29

TimeOut

19th March 2010, 06:15

Great information, thank you.

Where do you get an MR27 form?

I asked at the AA today and they said "15 months rego! Not possible. Can't be done."

My brother did it at NZ Post, he was also told it wasn't possible, he told them to read the back of the form!
They put it in and low and behold out came the 15 mth rego:done:

DougieNZ

19th March 2010, 08:01

Yep,

I would say any NZ Post shop.

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dogsnbikes

19th March 2010, 08:10

VTNZ and they said 15 months too

sinfull

19th March 2010, 08:18

Rego runs out this week so hmmmm 3 months might be the go and then 15 months in june !

jellywrestler

19th March 2010, 08:27

VTNZ and they said 15 months too you can register for 18 months

jellywrestler

19th March 2010, 08:29

you can not pay and avoid the new fees :lol: Or claim it as a "farm" vehicle & its only 37$ a year (Now that's a deal!!!)
yep and they'll twigh onto this in five minutes seeing all the HD's suddenly registered as farm vechiles (althoiugh personally if i had an HD that's the best use for it) and do something about it...

Pixie

25th March 2010, 08:13

My rego is due on 11/04/2010.
The MR 27 form allows you to change the expiry date up to 15 months from the date of application.
So I will change my expiry date to 28/06/2010.and then on 27/06/2010 change it again to 27/09/2011 to get maximum bang for my buck

Edit: I just realised I don't need to use the MR27 twice,just extend the expiry from a date as close to july 1 as possible

Pixie

25th March 2010, 08:14

you can register for 18 months

It says 15 months on the MR27.
Where do you get 18?

ExSp33db1rd

31st March 2010, 20:41

Rego runs out this week so hmmmm 3 months might be the go and then 15 months in june !

An earlier post said that the new rules apply from 1st July, and if your registration now runs out after that, then you will be charged the new rate from 1st July - too late now.

I bought 15 months in December when the rate hadn't been approved, nor an effective date fixed, so got the whole 15 at the old rate - through to March 2011. yeah !!

I had hoped to do it again just before the new date, but it would appear that I now can't.

The MR27 forms were available at me local AA licence renewal depot. ( Kerikeri )

sinfull

31st March 2010, 20:47

An earlier post said that the new rules apply from 1st July, and if your registration now runs out after that, then you will be charged the new rate from 1st July - too late now.

I bought 15 months in December when the rate hadn't been approved, nor an effective date fixed, so got the whole 15 at the old rate - through to March 2011. yeah !!

I had hoped to do it again just before the new date, but it would appear that I now can't.

The MR27 forms were available at me local AA licence renewal depot. ( Kerikeri ) 1st july 2010 aint they coming in ? so if i reg it for a couple of months it runs out before then !

NakiNinja

10th April 2010, 14:55

firefighter

12th April 2010, 10:45

$71 for 2 months.

How?

I've been to NZPost, AA, and VTNZ this-morning and they all said you ca'nt renew by only 2 months (even with the MR27).........

I hope you did'nt have me going all over the place because of phony information!

Can anyone confirm this or do these staff members not know what they're on about?

MSTRS

12th April 2010, 11:34

I have a suspicion that the shortest rego period is 3 months. For less than that, you need a particular form AND have a certain type of rego....ie for a vintage bike.

chasio

12th April 2010, 12:48

I went into NZ Post today and asked for the form to extend my rego for three months. I have form MR27 - Application to Change Licence Expiry Date (a green form) in front of me. The note on the front reads:

"The new license expiry date cannot be prior to the current license expiry date or more than 15 months from the date of application". Nothing there to state a three month minimum extension, so why not 2 months if required? But it is certainly no refunds based on this form, although there may be another way to do that if you are going to keep it off the road, of course :whistle:

They told me there was another form for anything over three months and gave me that one as well, just in case. It is form MR1B (a pink form), and note 4 says the minimum license period is 3 months. That's probably where that number comes from.

Sadly my rego runs out in August (buggeration) so I think the best I can do is the three month extension using MR27. I'll give that a crack and report back if I find that doesn't work.

Cheers - Chasio

MSTRS

12th April 2010, 13:01

They told me there was another form for anything over three months and gave me that one as well, just in case. It is form MR1B (a pink form), and note 4 says the minimum license period is 3 months. That's probably where that number comes from.

The rego reminder form that gets posted shows rego renewal minimum as 3 months. Apart from the vintage bike rego (which has different rules...such as being able to rego for days at a time) I assume that because the minimum period you can put a rego on hold is 3 months, then that would be the minimum for renewal purposes as well.

MarkW

12th April 2010, 13:13

In early February 2010 I took my DRZ 250 off rego hold and registered it for 19 days as I needed it to be legal for a particular road trip. I used the MR27 form at my local VTNZ branch. Total rego cost $25.60.

The DRZ is a standard road registered motorcycle, not vintage or farm.

The standard issued computerised renewal form has a minimum renewal period of 3 months. But the manual MR27 form lets you renew for a very short period (I think a minimum of a couple of days) or to a maximum of 15 months ahead.

Having completed my road trip the rego is now back on hold for the next three months.

The whole process took no time at all at my local VTNZ.

Ixion

12th April 2010, 14:23

I think you are all getting too complicated.

Today is 12/04/10.

Go to AA/VTNZ , get MR27 (green form) . Fill it in with new expiry of 11/07/2011 (15 months from date of form).

The cost will be, whatever period it is from your PRESENT rego expiry date till 11.07/2011 at the OLD rates (ie if your present expiry was 11/01/2011 the you would pay 6months rego at the OLD rates). It's not quite exactly arithmetical, because there's an administration fee of about $6 that gets charged regardless of the period.

You now have a bike registed to July 2011, at the odl rates. If you wanted to you could either wait and do this as near as possible to the rate changeover date. Or do it now and in a months time or so do it again and grab the extra month. The trick is there's a gotcha on the timing, I think the changeover date for the new rates is slightly different.

I did this just last week, and it was easy. Checked the arithmetic and I definately only paid the old rates.

Crazy Steve

12th April 2010, 22:27

Im not paying anything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its all free from here on in.....Rego/Gas/Money im stealing the lot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazy Steve.

twotyred

12th April 2010, 22:33

If they are telling you you can't register for shorter periods they are either ignorant or hate motorcyclists... the law is the same for all vehicles ( unless National has made a special case for bikes)
I know a "financially challenged" person who regularly registers her car for two weeks or a month at a time...

chasio

13th April 2010, 13:38

The counter staff don’t seem to know about form MR27, presumably because it is rarely used. But today I added 3 months to my rego for $86. It is basically a piece of cake, but you may have to educate the staff a bit about the fact that it is possible.

So, assuming you are going to keep your bike registered, what should you do with your rego in order to minimise your costs and hopefully annoy the ACC a bit?

I believe the options break down as follows (best endeavours here):

1) If your rego expires after mid-June: Use form MR1B to buy 12 months on expiry and use form MR27 to extend to 15 months. Be sure to do this by 30th June. Both steps can be done in one visit to NZ Post / AA, as far as I know.

2) If the rego expires between now and mid-June: use form MR27 to extend to 30th June 2010. Remember to go back before Wednesday 30th June to buy 15 months using form MR1B plus MR27 (as in option 1). This is the longest you can put off the hit.

3) Rego expires on or after 1st July: best you can do is to use form MR27 to extend to 15 months. This may mean adding 3 months (if you bought 12 months last time) or 9 months (if your current rego is only for 6).

Note: I can’t be arsed to do the maths on when cost of the admin fee (about $7) makes a short term extension to the end of June uneconomic, but given the aggro involved as well, mid-June seems near enough for rock and roll.

Cheers - Chasio

slofox

13th April 2010, 15:32

Well, I reckon the best I can do, since rego expires well into the new fee period, is to sell the 650 and buy a 599cc bike.

This way, it'll be much safer for me. ACC told me so. Swapping 72-ish hp for 120-ish hp makes a lot of sense! (Well, it does to me anyway...)

chasio

13th April 2010, 15:55

Silly me, that is a very good point indeed. I should downgrade my dangerous 47hp dual purpose bike to a much safer super sports 600 as soon as I can find some spare money. Maybe I can sell the idea to Mrs Chasio more easily since it is for my own safety...?

Morcs

13th April 2010, 16:49

Anyone care to enlighten some of us how to do the register as a farm bike thing?

My bike looks so rough i could pull it off...

bucket boy

13th April 2010, 17:36

Anyone care to enlighten some of us how to do the register as a farm bike thing?

My bike looks so rough i could pull it off...

Not a lot cheaper now, its the acc part which makes most of the cost up.

Pixie

19th May 2010, 08:07

Not a lot cheaper now, its the acc part which makes most of the cost up.

Farm vehicles don't pay ACC

Max Preload

19th May 2010, 14:43

Sadly my rego runs out in August (buggeration) so I think the best I can do is the three month extension using MR27. I'll give that a crack and report back if I find that doesn't work.

You go in on the 30th of June and using the MR27 changing the expiry date of the vehicle license to 30th September 2011 (15 months from date of application) and pay the balance of the period from August 2010 to September 2011 at the old rates.

firefighter

19th May 2010, 15:15

My rego expires on the 30th of June. Can I go in now and extend it for 15 months from the 30th of June, or do I have to wait until the day to extend it for the 15 months?

NighthawkNZ

19th May 2010, 15:30

Max Preload

19th May 2010, 17:09

My rego expires on the 30th of June. Can I go in now and extend it for 15 months from the 30th of June, or do I have to wait until the day to extend it for the 15 months?

Go in on the 30th of June and do 15 months from then.

Naki Rat

24th May 2010, 16:14

My rego expires on the 30th of June. Can I go in now and extend it for 15 months from the 30th of June, or do I have to wait until the day to extend it for the 15 months?

You can do the renewal anytime from now as the 15 months won't start until after the expiration of your current period (i.e. after 30th June). I've just rung NZ Transport Agency regarding this as my rego expires on June 12th - $399.74 for 15 months :yes:

Max Preload

24th May 2010, 16:51

You can do the renewal anytime from now as the 15 months won't start until after the expiration of your current period (i.e. after 30th June). I've just rung NZ Transport Agency regarding this as my rego expires on June 12th - $399.74 for 15 months :yes:

Except that...

I have form MR27 - Application to Change Licence Expiry Date (a green form) in front of me. The note on the front reads:
"The new license expiry date cannot be prior to the current license expiry date or more than 15 months from the date of application".

YellowDog

29th May 2010, 20:38

You can do the renewal anytime from now as the 15 months won't start until after the expiration of your current period (i.e. after 30th June). I've just rung NZ Transport Agency regarding this as my rego expires on June 12th - $399.74 for 15 months :yes:

I went in to renew mine 2 weeks ago at the Postie shop.

They wanted to do it as 15 months from that date and said that I had to lose the 2 weeks. I said no thanks.

Yesterday I did 15 months rego with wof at VTNZ no probs.

I didn't even need to stick the baffle back in the exhaust :)

CurseOfSarcasm

31st May 2010, 16:47

I went in to NZ Post Westgate today for an MR27 form, where they told me that I couldn't extend my registration past my WOF expiry date. I then went to VTNZ Westgate, where I was told that this was false, however if I extended my registration I would still have to pay the new rates - even though they hadn't been officially informed of the new rates. Is there a biker-friendly registration agency in Auckland?!

firefighter

31st May 2010, 19:57

however if I extended my registration I would still have to pay the new rates - even though they hadn't been officially informed of the new rates.

That does'nt make sense...........how could they charge you the new rates if they do'nt have them yet?

Did you ask or just walk away with your tail between your legs?

Max Preload

1st June 2010, 00:23

That does'nt make sense...........how could they charge you the new rates if they do'nt have them yet?

Did you ask or just walk away with your tail between your legs?

I think we both know the answer to that...

Go back and read the silly coonts the riot act.

CurseOfSarcasm

1st June 2010, 08:36

That does'nt make sense...........how could they charge you the new rates if they do'nt have them yet?

Did you ask or just walk away with your tail between your legs?

I know >__< I didn't bother asking - I got my WOF and decided to try again in a week or so.

Squiggles

1st June 2010, 09:38

Just tell them to punch it into the computer and let it spit out the cost

Max Preload

1st June 2010, 10:22

Just tell them to punch it into the computer and let it spit out the cost

Computer says no. *cough*

CurseOfSarcasm

2nd June 2010, 16:50

Just tell them to punch it into the computer and let it spit out the cost

Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? :clap: Will do

DangerMice

3rd June 2010, 12:46

Did mine yesterday (for that's when mine was due) at the AA on Albert St. No hassles, knew what they were doing and I don't think I paid an admin fee either. ($111 for 15 months for the scoot)

Corse1

3rd June 2010, 15:28

Awsome info. My on hold bike runs out 20th June (3 months is up) and I will be going for the 15months! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

_Shrek_

3rd June 2010, 20:49

Mrs S went in & paid $400.30 as my redgo ran out today good to 9/11 :shifty:

jono035

9th June 2010, 17:09

Did this today at a post shop. There can't be any issues because the computer will tell them what the price is. I went in, grabbed an MR27, filled it out with the date exactly 15 months into the future (which works out to roughly adding a year onto my current rego), handed it over to the guy, paid $360 and walked out with the new tag.

Pixie

14th June 2010, 19:57

Too late for the MR 27 option:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124855-ACC-amp-NZTA-FUCKERS-Charging-the-new-rates-before-it-is-legal-to-do-so.

biker baz

15th June 2010, 23:47

[QUOTE=DougieNZ;1129676984]The following is the information I got from the NZTA today:

The new fees start from 1 July 2010

If your registration expires on or after that date you are screwed. You will be liable to pay the new fees even if you go in and pay early...

If your registration is due before that date you can re-licence using the usual forms for up to 12 months.

Or you can fill in a MR27 for a maximum of 15 months. use of the MR27 will incur a $7.30 administration charge.

Thanks for the warning. I would like to run examples by you to confirm my worst case scenario.
Current bike rego expires on, say 20.6.10, (or even 30.6.10?) and I pay at the agent on this day. Calculate 15 months ahead- 20.9.11, put this in the new licence expiry date box and fill out the MR 27 form. Hurry on down to the LTSA agent and I should pay for 15 months rego at the current rate. ($321.24 plus $86.00 plus $7.30) For a 601cc plus m/c I will save $196.01 over 12 months:yes:

Another example. Current rego expires on 30.12.10, and I pay on 20.6.10.
Calculate 15 months from 20.6.10 –20.9.11, put this in the New licence expiry date box on the MR 27 form and hurry on down to the LTSA agent.
All going well I will be charged for another 9 months rego at the current rate.
In your words for this scenario it looks like I am screwed.:angry:

Oh well, time to think about rego on hold on the other bike or sell it. Problem here, the minimum time is 3 months & plate swapping would not be believable as they are different colours, not that I would consider this anyway:innocent:

jono035

16th June 2010, 08:37

If you want to take the bike off hold before 3 months is up, you can transfer the ownership of it to someone else (spouse/partner etc.), I believe. This way you don't have to back-pay the rego.

HenryDorsetCase

16th June 2010, 09:35

Farm vehicles don't pay ACC

Farming is about the most dangerous occupation we have !!! shows the political clout that particular pressure group has. that and that ETS nonsense

as authority for that proposition:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/3816977/A-farmer-dies-every-28-days-ACC

Naki Rat

23rd June 2010, 16:02

Mrs S went in & paid $400.30 as my redgo ran out today good to 9/11 :shifty:

That amount agrees with what I paid yesterday to 'rego' the Sprint until 22/09/11. My rego had expired on the 12th June so a little catch up was included and totalled $463.68. Only the first 12 months is at the old rate!

Similar situation for our Commodore which was licenced until Feb 2011. I extended that out to 22/09/11 also and it cost me $162.98. Three months (Mar-June) at the old rate but the period after July 1st 2011 is at the new rate.

What they are doing is charging the existing (old) rate for the period up until the end of June 2011. Anything beyond that is charged at the new rate. So the closer your next rego period ends after the start of next month, the more you save by extending it out to June 30th 2011 by using an MR27.

Once only offer - be in:shifty:

grantnz

24th June 2010, 23:05

MR27 Registration Form
The form allows you to change the expiry date of a vehicle's license.
You can chose a date up to 15 months from the date of application. (see note 2 on the back of the MR 27)
Costs you $7 plus any extra rego time you need to purchase up to the new date.
Can be done irrespective of the current license status of the vehicle. (e.g. licensed, on hold, expired)

Did this today as my rego was due to expire 27th June 2010. Duc now registered until 24th Sept 2011, 15 months at the old price. ( $397.00 ) The lady behind the counter was quite excited that we were able to do this, very helpfull and expected a flood of big, hairy bikers to be doing the same in the next 6 days.

grantnz

24th June 2010, 23:19

That amount agrees with what I paid yesterday to 'rego' the Sprint until 22/09/11. My rego had expired on the 12th June so a little catch up was included and totalled $463.68. Only the first 12 months is at the old rate!

Similar situation for our Commodore which was licenced until Feb 2011. I extended that out to 22/09/11 also and it cost me $162.98. Three months (Mar-June) at the old rate but the period after July 1st 2011 is at the new rate.

What they are doing is charging the existing (old) rate for the period up until the end of June 2011. Anything beyond that is charged at the new rate. So the closer your next rego period ends after the start of next month, the more you save by extending it out to June 30th 2011 by using an MR27.

Once only offer - be in:shifty:

Went to VTNZ and local Post Shop today and both of them could not give me the new price for rego as from 1st July 2010, because the new prices will not be displayed on the computer until the 1st of July. If you fill out the form and hand it over, computer says " yes ".

miSTa

25th June 2010, 13:46

Mrs S went in & paid $400.30 as my redgo ran out today good to 9/11 :shifty:

You got ripped off - I just paid $399.45 for 15 months worth of rego. Curious.

NighthawkNZ

25th June 2010, 14:15

so did you I paid $344 last month and it runs out on 21 August 2011. :)

Max Preload

25th June 2010, 14:27

so did you I paid $344 last month and it runs out on 21 August 2011. :)

So did you. I paid NOTHING. On any vehicle.

FROSTY

25th June 2010, 18:04

Guys I register about 25 vehicles a month. The price I'm paying for 6 months or 12 months rego is still as at TODAY at the current rate. The price increase is as at 1.7.2010.

gunrunner

28th June 2010, 18:07

Guys I register about 25 vehicles a month. The price I'm paying for 6 months or 12 months rego is still as at TODAY at the current rate. The price increase is as at 1.7.2010.

My rego is due at 17th July so i took in a MR27 changing it to today to get the old rate and no it cost me the new rate ....

Max Preload

28th June 2010, 22:20

My rego is due at 17th July so i took in a MR27 changing it to today to get the old rate and no it cost me the new rate ....

That's because:

Your exipry is after the increase
The increases have now been loaded and can be applied

NakiNinja

30th June 2010, 20:07

My registration was due to expire on 15th April 2010. Rather than pay the 12 months, today I used a MR27 form to extend my registration only 2 months, opting for the date 28th June 2010. $71 for 2 months.

When that comes up for renewal in June. I'll use the MR27 form again, and extend it for the maximum 15 months which will be Sept 2011. Maximum bang for buck!

The lady behind the counter in the post office / kiwi bank was very helpful, she sort of wanted to help me screw their own system.

Thanks for the info guys. This thread has saved me hundreds of $.

Refer to my last report above where a few months ago I changed my ZX10R expiration date to June 29th. Today I filled in my MR27 form for 15 months up till 29th September 2011 - and paid $451.10.

I discussed my situation together with two of their staff at my local post office / kiwi bank - they were very supportive and willing to find me the best value for money. They also wanted to tackle it together as they have been processing quite a few bikers filling in their MR27 forms lately, but don't often understand exactly what dollar figure is processed when they punch it into the computer.

My original renewal letter that I received in the mail had options was $321.24 for 12 months. I had the option of paying that, or trying to gain 15 months at the cheaper rate. I'd estimated approx $400 for 15 months at the old price.

I was querying them on the increased price to $451 using the 15 month MR27 form - we all concluded that it may have been processed like this.

$321.24 for 12 months at old price, + $130 for extended 3 months at new price.

Also it may have been possible that as I paid today (30th and it was due on the 29th) that may have used the increased MR27 form prices that have had a raised price pre July 1st. I wasn't going to complain about the $50 difference, I felt I'd already made my saving and they were very supportive, so I paid the increased 3 months difference anyway.