All's well that ends well

[scumdog]

"Four investigations are under way after a 27-year-old man died shortly after police abandoned a pursuit in Hamilton just before four o'clock this afternoon. Inspector Leo Tooman says a Mazda was spotted being driven in a manner that caused concern and a patrol car began to pursue it. He says it appears the pursuing officer had concerns about the man's driving and after two minutes gave up the chase. A few seconds later, at the intersection of Gordonton and Puketaha Roads, the Mazda collided with a northbound Toyota people mover carrying six men. The Mazda driver died at the scene from his injuries.

The occupants of the van were taken to hospital, none with life threatening injuries. Gordonton Road was closed for more than two hours for a scene examination to be completed. "

Ferkin numpty in the Mazda, I bet he thought he da man and he could drive...

[Genie]

seriously how can you say it ends well.....that is a tragic end to an idiot, yes an idot, thinking he could out run the police.
They get your number plate first so racing away just delays the inevitable.
I can't understand why they just dont' stop and take the consquensences.
Oh yes, maybe, just maybe, they have not been bought up to accept personal responisbitly and in this namby pamby society it will only get worse.

But really, this did not end well at all

[peasea]

seriously how can you say it ends well.....that is a tragic end to an idiot, yes an idot, thinking he could out run the police.
They get your number plate first so racing away just delays the inevitable.
I can't understand why they just dont' stop and take the consquensences.
Oh yes, maybe, just maybe, they have not been bought up to accept personal responisbitly and in this namby pamby society it will only get worse.

But really, this did not end well at all

Agreed. Innocent parties injured etc, not a good outcome but I must agree with Scummy on one point; the driver who died can no longer cause mayhem on the roads. Sad for his family but a relief for the rest of us. As an example, how was this cock in Nelson? He's gonna be out and about before you know it, probably doing the same shit. Keep your eyes open.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/3515622/Driver-jailed-for-abysmal-hit-and-run

[scumdog]

seriously how can you say it ends well.....that is a tragic end to an idiot, yes an idot, thinking he could out run the police.
They get your number plate first so racing away just delays the inevitable.
I can't understand why they just dont' stop and take the consquensences.
Oh yes, maybe, just maybe, they have not been bought up to accept personal responisbitly and in this namby pamby society it will only get worse.

But really, this did not end well at all

Sure, there were innocents injured - but none were life threatening...no innocents died..

[Genie]

I read that last night....right freakng little pooh head that one. No need for it at all. shame the judge didnt' give him longer.

[peasea]

"Four investigations are under way after a 27-year-old man died shortly after police abandoned a pursuit in Hamilton just before four o'clock this afternoon. Inspector Leo Tooman says a Mazda was spotted being driven in a manner that caused concern and a patrol car began to pursue it. He says it appears the pursuing officer had concerns about the man's driving and after two minutes gave up the chase. A few seconds later, at the intersection of Gordonton and Puketaha Roads, the Mazda collided with a northbound Toyota people mover carrying six men. The Mazda driver died at the scene from his injuries.

The occupants of the van were taken to hospital, none with life threatening injuries. Gordonton Road was closed for more than two hours for a scene examination to be completed. "

Ferkin numpty in the Mazda, I bet he thought he da man and he could drive...

Numpty; now there's a good word.

I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone doing a runner in a car and getting away with it. Bikes? Yes, but not in a car. I wouldn't even attempt to do a runner my waddling, jelly-filled blancmange.

[scumdog]

I read that last night....right freakng little pooh head that one. No need for it at all. shame the judge didnt' give him longer.

Yup, waaay to soft on him, people like that make my blood boil, it's all me,me,me....and fuck the rest of you.

[peasea]

I read that last night....right freakng little pooh head that one. No need for it at all. shame the judge didnt' give him longer.

Take a note of his name and stick it to your fridge. I'll be surprised if we don't see that name in the paper again sometime.

[peasea]

Yup, waaay to soft on him, people like that make my blood boil, it's all me,me,me....and fuck the rest of you.

He probably had a 'tough childhood' and is a real 'victim' of life itself.
I wouldn't mind meeting him actually. Hmmm, visiting day perhaps?

[Genie]

I have pics of my children and their acheivement awards on the fridge, don't want some idjits name up there.

I'd say in 20 months time he will be back in the news. It would be nice to think he would come out of jail and realise the error of his ways and become a productive member of society. I dont'know many people that have been to jail but one that I do, did his time, was released and with the love and support of his women has turned his life completely around.

[Genie]

He probably had a 'tough childhood' and is a real 'victim' of life itself.
I wouldn't mind meeting him actually. Hmmm, visiting day perhaps?

yeah that is the cop out story they invent to explain their bad behaviour, coming form my background and when I did get into trouble, I too, was given this as an 'out' from my lawyer.
Oh you poor girl, we can get you off this charge....no way.

Why do adults make up excuses for bad behaviour? Why has bed behaviour become so acceptable? FFS, now my blood is starting to boil.

[oldrider]

The sentences these people (offenders) get are just a bloody joke!

Judges and lawyers are worse than the old rabbit boards for ineffectiveness, IMHO!

[peasea]

I have pics of my children and their acheivement awards on the fridge, don't want some idjits name up there.

I'd say in 20 months time he will be back in the news. It would be nice to think he would come out of jail and realise the error of his ways and become a productive member of society. I dont'know many people that have been to jail but one that I do, did his time, was released and with the love and support of his women has turned his life completely around.

I know a few who have been banged up but only one who went back. Maybe there IS hope. I'll still keep a note of his name and see where he ends up in two years or less.

[peasea]

Why has bed behaviour become so acceptable?

Because bed behaviour is so much fun. Or was that a typo?

[peasea]

The sentences these people (offenders) get are just a bloody joke!

Judges and lawyers are worse than the old rabbit boards for ineffectiveness, IMHO!

Agreed. The judges need to be put under the microscope. Lawyers? Well, they're just lawyers.

[shafty]

I always wonder, perhaps niavely (sp?), how many tens of thousands we have aready spent on such muppets - dole, DPB etc......

[Big Col]

Of the two incidents, only one had a good ending. I know which one, [ you choose].

[The Stranger]

Sure, there were innocents injured - but none were life threatening...no innocents died..

Ah yes, no one dead so it's all sweet.
Time off work, lost income, the possibility of months or years of recovery or living the rest of your life with chronic pain it's all good right.

Good one scummy.

Now had he picked a power pole etc I could at least understand your post.

[mdnzz]

Have to kinda agree with scummy here but disagree too, your right he got what he deserved scummy, but those innocents didn't.
They now live with the fact they were involved in a crash where someone died. With your occupation you can deal with that kind of thing but to average joe/jane a death outside anything natural is very hard for some to recover from. They will be dealing with all sorts of issues including that it could have been them dead at the scene.

Maybe you could have called it as Darwin Award candidate gets top prize.

[Okey Dokey]

Interesting that the radio report I heard this morning referred to the deceased driver trying to escape the police as the "victim"

Of his own stupidity, I guess. Surely no one else is responsible.

[Genie]

but he is a victim, if the horrible policeman were not chasing him for driving dangerously he would never have crashed into the van load of people, and what were they doing n his way anyway? Geeez, this guy owned the road how dare anyone else get in his way and stop him driving jus the way he wants to.

[Okey Dokey]

but he is a victim, if the horrible policeman were not chasing him for driving dangerously he would never have crashed into the van load of people, and what were they doing n his way anyway? Geeez, this guy owned the road how dare anyone else get in his way and stop him driving jus the way he wants to.

Of course, how silly of me not to realise!:msn-wink:

BTW that is a unique avatar you have there!

[Ender EnZed]

good ending.


had he picked a power pole etc I could at least understand your post.


he got what he deserved

Yeah, so did his family. Especially his mother. And his kids if he had any.

[The Stranger]

Yeah, so did his family. Especially his mother. And his kids if he had any.

If he's old enough to drive then he should be old enough to work that shit out for himself.
That he was perhaps not capable of this is not my concern.
Look on the bright side, it's stopped him from reproducing.

[CookMySock]

The cops were chasing him for some minutes though. What's the point? If there was nothing they could book him for, then why chase him to begin with? If there was something they could charge him for, why not just send it to him in the mail?

As has been shown, I don't think the cops give a big rats ass. What they care about is whether they get to successfully pull someone over or not, and then conduct their personal attitude test. Thats what a policemans' job is all about - the attitude test. They walk or drive around looking for potential candidates, stop them, conduct attitude test, and if they pass - they walk. If they don't pass - they get charged. Another successful day on the beat!

:niceone:

Steve

[Laxi]

Sure, there were innocents injured - but none were life threatening...no innocents died..

nice 1 mate :niceone: we were hit by a drunk driver about 10 years ago, fractured neck vertibrae meant my wife was mills from being paralised and she still has limited use of her left arm, but it's all good, injuries "wern't life threatening" :rolleyes:

[scumdog]

The cops were chasing him for some minutes though. What's the point? If there was nothing they could book him for, then why chase him to begin with? If there was something they could charge him for, why not just send it to him in the mail?
Steve

Quite right, the cops should have gazed at their crystal ball more intently, that way they would have KNOWN there was no reason to chase him, that he wasn't drunk or such.......:rolleyes:

[Ender EnZed]

If he's old enough to drive then he should be old enough to work that shit out for himself.

I fail to see how this relates to the impact his death will have on other peoples lives.


That he was perhaps not capable of this is not my concern.

Not your concern, no. It will be someone's though.

[The Stranger]

I fail to see how this relates to the impact his death will have on other peoples lives.



It doesn't. But so what, why should that be any of our concern?

You do realise that this is a biker site eh?
If we all considered the impact our death would have on others to be of great import why would we ride motorcycles?
I don't live my life by the will or desire of others, he obviously didn't either, so it would be hypocritical of me (or you) to expect him to do so.

[Ender EnZed]

It doesn't. But so what, why should that be any of our concern?

You do realise that this is a biker site eh?
If we all considered the impact our death would have on others to be of great import why would we ride motorcycles?
I don't live my life by the will or desire of others, he obviously didn't either, so it would be hypocritical of me (or you) to expect him to do so.

It's not of our concern and I wasn't saying it should be.

I was just suggesting that this event did not have a happy, or neutral, ending.

[CookMySock]

Quite right, the cops should have gazed at their crystal ball more intently, that way they would have KNOWN there was no reason to chase him, that he wasn't drunk or such.......:rolleyes:You evade my point.

If there is an offence - mail him the notice.

If there is no offence, fuck off.

If you even think he might be pissed why would you chase him at speed?

Dispense with the smartarse reply and lets hear some logic.

Steve

[JimO]

Dispense with the smartarse reply and lets hear some logic.

Steve

ever thought of taking your own advice

[red mermaid]

If you knew anything at all about how the legal system works you would realise the difficulties this would bring to a crucial element in any prosecution...identification of the driver.



You evade my point.

If there is an offence - mail him the notice.

If there is no offence, fuck off.

If you even think he might be pissed why would you chase him at speed?

Dispense with the smartarse reply and lets hear some logic.

Steve

[scumdog]

You evade my point.

If there is an offence - mail him the notice.

If there is no offence, fuck off.

If you even think he might be pissed why would you chase him at speed?

Dispense with the smartarse reply and lets hear some logic.

Steve

OK, another smartarse reply.

How do the cops KNOW who is driving?

You'll have to use more subtle trolls than that matey....

[CookMySock]

If you knew anything at all about how the legal system works you would realise the difficulties this would bring to a crucial element in any prosecution...identification of the driver.They have adequate measures in place to find out the driver of a car. If they were not adequate, why did they put them in place?


OK, another smartarse reply. How do the cops KNOW who is driving? You'll have to use more subtle trolls than that matey....They DON'T. But to them, if they suspect the driver is pissed - it seems worthwhile chasing them at high speeds to find out. Spot the error?

Steve

[scumdog]

They have adequate measures in place to find out the driver of a car. If they were not adequate, why did they put them in place?

They DON'T. But to them, if they suspect the driver is pissed - it seems worthwhile chasing them at high speeds to find out. Spot the error?

Steve

You're right, far better for the cops to turn off down a side street and let the suspected driver disappear into the distance......<_<

[Maha]

You're right, far better for the cops to turn off down a side street and let the suspected driver disappear into the distance......<_<

If there were a Pizza Hutt in that street then yes!!

[smoky]

Headlines
Police officer ( I use that term loosely) publicly thinks the death of a motorist is a good ending.
In comments on a bikers forum a police officer implies a motorist who failed to stop - deserved to die.............. he made further derogatory comments ........... has been stood down from active duty pending a full investigation .....................



I thought you public servants weren't allowed to make comments like you are scumdog? Let alone start the thread, aren't there rules about that?

[doc]

I must agree with Scummy

:gob:

Since when did you start agreeing with Scumdog? You two ever thought about getting a room?

[Edbear]

This is a rare case where the offender was killed rather than the victims he crashed into. Nothing to cheer about either way and while one may have little sympathy for the offender it is a sad truth that these "types" rarely rehabilitate and continue to drink and drive until they are stopped.

No-one can know the full facts of this particular case, and no-one knows the nature and background of the offender until it comes out on the news. The facts that are known is that this is far too common an offense and until these kids are forced to face reality this tyoe of offending will continue to go on.

Sadly, too, the next time it may be the victims who die or are horribly injured as is too often the case. Scummy and like see it every day and have naturally become cynical. Those who want to criticise him should spend a week in the patrol car with him, then criticise...

[The Stranger]

Scummy and like see it every day and have naturally become cynical. Those who want to criticise him should spend a week in the patrol car with him, then criticise...


The police exist for the protection of citizens doesn't it?
If they think that a car crash involving 6 innocent citizens is a good outcome then I think they need a break.

[Indiana_Jones]

They get your number plate first so racing away just delays the inevitable.

No chance at all that the car or plates were nicked....

-Indy

[peasea]

:gob:

Since when did you start agreeing with Scumdog? You two ever thought about getting a room?

It was only on one point and I don't know about Scummy but the thought of us sharing a room does nothing for my digestion.

[Dave Lobster]

The police exist for the protection of citizens doesn't it?


No. Far from it. The police exist to try to catch people who have broken the law.

[Edbear]

The police exist for the protection of citizens doesn't it?
If they think that a car crash involving 6 innocent citizens is a good outcome then I think they need a break.

I think of you re-read his post he was more of the opinion that the "right" person died in this accident rather than the victims. I'm sure Scummy wouldn't be happy with any accident causing death or injury, but of course he's old enough and ugly enough to defend and explain himself on here...


No. Far from it. The police exist to try to catch people who have broken the law.

That too...

[Ender EnZed]

I'm sure Scummy wouldn't be happy with any accident causing death or injury

He seems pretty happy about this one.

[FJRider]

You evade my point.

If there is an offence - mail him the notice.

If there is no offence, fuck off.

If you even think he might be pissed why would you chase him at speed?

Dispense with the smartarse reply and lets hear some logic.

Steve

So why dont we replace all cops in citys, with live camera feeds. When an offence is seen ... get the rego, and mail the fine. That will save millions of dollars that could be spent on ACC and Welfare payouts ...

That is assuming ALL vehicles on the road have live rego and their address listed is current and accurate.

Anybody driving/riding in such a manner, that attracts the attention of the law enforcers .... usually means they would not want to discuss it with them either. And failing to stop for them would reinforce this thought ...

As has been already posted ... this time the offender was the one who was killed. Others WERE hurt .. and can get on with their lives.

The family of the dead man can only blame him. Although they may blame "police Procedure" ... let's wait and see what the results of those four investigations are ....

At least there will be no long drawn out court-case, with the offender pleading not guilty ....

Enough "logic" for you ... ???

[red mermaid]

So tell me bright spark...what are these adequate measures?


They have adequate measures in place to find out the driver of a car. If they were not adequate, why did they put them in place?

They DON'T. But to them, if they suspect the driver is pissed - it seems worthwhile chasing them at high speeds to find out. Spot the error?

Steve

[Ixion]

You evade my point.

If there is an offence - mail him the notice.

If there is no offence, fuck off.

If you even think he might be pissed why would you chase him at speed?

Dispense with the smartarse reply and lets hear some logic.

Steve

Does that not pre-suppose that the driver will drive in a safe manner if not chased?

I'm not sure that is a valid supposition

it seems to me that in some of these cases the driver would have crashed sooner or later , probably with equal danger to life, even if there was never a police involvement

After all, it's not like they are driving in a safe and inconspicuous manner before the police get involved. Usually it's because their driving is dangerous or dodgy that the police get involved in the first place.

[scumdog]

OK everybody, time to come clean, it was a:Pokey: to try and hopefully point out to some who probably gave no previous thought that it's not just Mr Dickwad- Runner who is at risk, it's those other innocents who sadly have to share roads with the likes of Mr Dickwad-Runner

However I do harbour thoughts that by the deceased not being able to use these roads anymore they might be a tad safer.:shifty:

Oh, and as for his family?
I do feel sorry for them and think of them - a shame he hadn't.
Loser, all he had to do was stop - but he wasn't man enough for that...

[doc]

...........
Winding up drongos for over 9,000 posts...........

[peasea]

OK everybody, time to come clean, it was a:Pokey: to try and hopefully point out to some who probably gave no previous thought that it's not just Mr Dickwad- Runner who is at risk, it's those other innocents who sadly have to share roads with the likes of Mr Dickwad-Runner

However I do harbour thoughts that by the deceased not being able to use these roads anymore they might be a tad safer.:shifty:

Oh, and as for his family?
I do feel sorry for them and think of them - a shame he hadn't.
Loser, all he had to do was stop - but he wasn't man enough for that...

Maybe his throttle jammed, his brakes failed and the steering rack collapsed causing the accident. If his mirror had been knocked out of alignment and the stereo was really loud he might not have seen the flashing lights or heard the siren. Maybe the van was on the wrong side of the road or a cat ran out in front of him.

Just a theory.

[scumdog]

Maybe his throttle jammed, his brakes failed and the steering rack collapsed causing the accident. If his mirror had been knocked out of alignment and the stereo was really loud he might not have seen the flashing lights or heard the siren. Maybe the van was on the wrong side of the road or a cat ran out in front of him.

Just a theory.

You sound just like a teenager of the 21st century - always with the excuses, excuses excuses...:D:devil2:

[peasea]

You sound just like a teenager of the 21st century - always with the excuses, excuses excuses...:D:devil2:

I was hoping you'd say "lawyer", they earn more than the average teenager.

[FJRider]

Just a theory.

Sorry ... on KB, we only deal in facts ... :innocent:

[peasea]

Sorry ... on KB, we only deal in facts ... :innocent:

Ok then, what's your facts number?

[Edbear]

ok then, what's your facts number?

0800cynical

[red mermaid]

Perhaps peasea is only an excuse?



You sound just like a teenager of the 21st century - always with the excuses, excuses excuses...:D:devil2:

[FJRider]

Ok then, what's your facts number?

666............

[peasea]

Perhaps peasea is only an excuse?

Is that the best you can do?
Booooring.

Back to your sty.

[smoky]

OK everybody, time to come clean, it was a:Pokey: to try and hopefully point out ..........bla bla bla blabla bla'

Really you are just trying to cover your own arse for starting a thread you know you shouldn't of.

Seems you are not adverse to ignoring the rules as well

[Genie]

seems scummy , like the rest of us, is human.

[peasea]

seems scummy , like the rest of us, is human.

No way!

Nup, not having a bar of it.

Human? Have you lost your marbles?

Scummy human?? ....:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Have you seen him without his shirt? How can that be human?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/342010

[scumdog]

Really you are just trying to cover your own arse for starting a thread you know you shouldn't of.

Seems you are not adverse to ignoring the rules as well

Ah, stop stirring - as if there is such a thing as 'starting a thread you know you shouldn't have':D

And anyway, in the words of the average man on the street: 'You can't prove that.':nya:

But seriously, it WAS to provoke thought.

(And what are these 'rules' you speak of??)

[peasea]

And anyway, in the words of the average man on the street: 'You can't prove that.':nya:


And the words of the 'average' copper hiding behind the PCA :nya:

[red mermaid]

Nah the average man DEMANDS his rights.

[Bikemad]

Nah the average man DEMANDS his rights.

say what...........i have rights...........
tell that to the missus

[Genie]

say what...........i have rights...........
tell that to the missus

oh dear, have you not been making any demands of late? Hmmmm................:lol:

[scumdog]

And the words of the 'average' copper hiding behind the PCA :nya:

Oh you're so old - the PCA has gone the way of Brylcreem...hehehe!

[peasea]

Oh you're so old - the PCA has gone the way of Brylcreem...hehehe!

What way? All slippery and difficult to deal with?

[Quasievil]

Yeah I reckon Bad outcome, particularly as it was in our neighbourhood and it wasnt exactly a nice scene to see.

[Smifffy]

I'm just glad he didn't hit a biker with pillion. Then there would have been 2 more corpses, that the bleeding hearts would have tried to lay at the feet of the business round table's enforcer squad.

[Ronin]

Headlines
Police officer ( I use that term loosely) publicly thinks the death of a motorist is a good ending.
In comments on a bikers forum a police officer implies a motorist who failed to stop - deserved to die.............. he made further derogatory comments ........... has been stood down from active duty pending a full investigation .....................



I thought you public servants weren't allowed to make comments like you are scumdog? Let alone start the thread, aren't there rules about that?

I recommend taking it international. Works every time.

[Ixion]

What way? All slippery and difficult to deal with?

And smelly ?

[Big Dave]

The guy runs a trawler so big that I thought I saw him on the Discovery Channel.

[Berries]

Scummy human?? ....:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Have you seen him without his shirt? How can that be human?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/342010

It must have put the neighbours right off going by today's ODT.

[peasea]

It must have put the neighbours right off going by today's ODT.

I see he's offering tea and scones. Must be nice to have the time to sort that shit out while you're on the job. Cushty.

It also explains the lack of SD posts, he must be run off his feet.

Cream and jam on mine thanks, Scummy.