One way to deal with Knackstedt and police corruption!

[candor]

Perhaps not the way to make friends. But why not seek accountability as so once all else fails. Just sent to Road police mngr, Lesley Wallis Police propaganda mngr and the inimitable Knackstedt. Could (?) be bad form to open cc it to KB, however it's now avail under OIA so constitutes official info, and with the vile treatment these people give to road victims I frankly don't give a damn for private comms aneeeeeemawr!

Dear Paula et al,

While it's plain you are just doing your jobs, FYI I enclose a link to a highly condensed history of Road Safety Failure in NZ. You may find you wish to comment or rethink your positions, which we ascertained as supporting GER-RAM; via recent OIA request content showing preoccupation with GER issues versus ones more gainfully targeted. For the linked info is to form the bones of a more substantial book, and this could I'd imagine leave some egg on some mugs about the r/s scene.
http://rapidshare.com/files/376478443/Ministry_recommended_solution.doc.html

Barring any sudden positive developments we will be showcasing the work you front, for so long closely observed not to mention heavily researched by quite a team of safety advocats, so it may be prudent for you to reflect on the quality or merit of it at this point. We feel total war (on policy) is the only option left.

Findings have been discussed on several tv programs lately, I'd love to send you links, but they've mostly been taken down. Never mind - more to come. We can't ever give up on road safety. It is quite disappointing that Police decline to debate with me in public forums. I would also love to give them a scientific presentation to help them understand why their efforts stall. Maybe oneday - over the rainbow.

Best Regards,
xxxx

[CookMySock]

Fuck I like your style. I'd be insanely hard to keep a smirk off my face watching you address your adversary in public.

Keep it up!

Steve

[bogan]

A very interesting read, I have been questioning the claims made in the safer journeys whatchamacalit (BS now i guess) as for the most part they arent backed up with stats, spose having no facts to back them up is the obvious reason. I did find it a bit hard to read though, as theres of peoples names thrown in there, I prefer facts only (i scrolled mainly to the graphs), but thats prolly just me.

One thing is the charges graph in % is hard to read, pehaps just the number of charges/accidents would be easier to read?

[candor]

In summary bogan it covers a few points.

First the so called road safety program isn't. It's a documented but classified world bank experiment in how to maximise revenue.
Second they have comp programs that cook the books - by filtering many crashes not caused by speed or alcohol into those classes - and masking other major causes.

Next there is a policy to hype the quota issues and suppress public education on other issues - described by many as a human right abuse.

Next a bung comp program sets quotas and predicts if met a certain road toll. It was fond by internal reviews not to work as the asumptions are wrong but to increase tolls as quotas rise. The quotas need to rise tho to fund a promised bigger Police force.
So official advice to Police etc was to ignore the results and try to believe it works.

We cried fowl - so the dummy that documented that advice was aided to an outside consultancy role by the world bank, and nothing changed...

It couldn't - the world bank guy had staked his career on the expts success - and the set up of a global road police funded by the world bank - headquartered in NZ starting last year. The idea is that our cops teach al other countries how to do road safety by these evil means - r/s TUI!

The WB guy was even insane enough to lean on Sweden telling them they're doing it all wrong and must switch to the NZ way. Erm compare our failure with their success!

We had leaks in MoT who were cleatly sacked for helping us dig up the dodgy computer programs and other dirty laundryetc.
Obviously the safer journeys claims on best measures likely effects were sci fi. 70 lives saved by a lower drink limit LOL - all reasonable methodologies say 7. At first I thought it was a SJ misprint but its been repeated in media several x. Liars, liars offering fake gold.

It is murder for hire on a grand scale. Case closed. The book version will be an easier read.

[bogan]

The book version will be an easier read.

looking forward to it. What are the rules re distributing the raw data from the oia? could be an interesting read as well

[rustic101]

You may want to explore the ACC funding connection with Road Policing too.

Most would agree Road Policing do a great job! However areas the likes of speed cameras do not, do not save lives, They were meant to be strategically placed in 'Black Spots', however most of the areas leading up to and past these devices have no accidents recorded. I believe Speed Cameras are merely a mechanism to increase revenue. My understanding is that in the UK areas without speed cameras have a lower or zero accident rate (I think it was first raised on Top Gear???).

Good on you for having a crack :)

[peasea]

Perhaps not the way to make friends. But why not seek accountability as so once all else fails. Just sent to Road police mngr, Lesley Wallis Police propaganda mngr and the inimitable Knackstedt. Could (?) be bad form to open cc it to KB, however it's now avail under OIA so constitutes official info, and with the vile treatment these people give to road victims I frankly don't give a damn for private comms aneeeeeemawr!

Dear Paula et al,

While it's plain you are just doing your jobs, FYI I enclose a link to a highly condensed history of Road Safety Failure in NZ. You may find you wish to comment or rethink your positions, which we ascertained as supporting GER-RAM; via recent OIA request content showing preoccupation with GER issues versus ones more gainfully targeted. For the linked info is to form the bones of a more substantial book, and this could I'd imagine leave some egg on some mugs about the r/s scene.
http://rapidshare.com/files/376478443/Ministry_recommended_solution.doc.html

Barring any sudden positive developments we will be showcasing the work you front, for so long closely observed not to mention heavily researched by quite a team of safety advocats, so it may be prudent for you to reflect on the quality or merit of it at this point. We feel total war (on policy) is the only option left.

Findings have been discussed on several tv programs lately, I'd love to send you links, but they've mostly been taken down. Never mind - more to come. We can't ever give up on road safety. It is quite disappointing that Police decline to debate with me in public forums. I would also love to give them a scientific presentation to help them understand why their efforts stall. Maybe oneday - over the rainbow.

Best Regards,
xxxx

Thats was terribly written. Whatever the factual information enclosed the powers that be would punch it straight into the shredder.

Well intentioned though. +1

[candor]

Heh like they deserve a perfectly grammatical eye poke. Not reading impt stuff won't look good come the day of reckoning.


You may want to explore the ACC funding connection with Road Policing too.

Most would agree Road Policing do a great job! Not Duignan Taylor, not the AA and not the reviewers of the road safety study who said the evidence shows more enforcement leads to more trauma!

If you read the whole linked document you'll see that the point is that AA reviews and internal reviews of the study have shown Road Police have not saved any lives since 2002. The checkpoint and speed ticket quotas and hours are correlated to increased crashes, death and trauma. Their presence above a certain threshold becomes non safety related, only revenue related and increases crashes and trauma. This is to do with things like doubled Police chases under the most intensive quota pressure seen.

So while engineers try to build safer roads Police undermine their efforts. The AA has recommended and my org is discussing everywhere poss the need for a review to establish where the threshold is where quotas flip over into causing increased trauma. AA has called for a review of every road police activity for its injury prevention versus revenue value.

The 2 flaws of the quota formula are equating quota effects of lower average speeds with less crash harm - ours dropped by 5K but injuries rose 15%
Also fewer drink drivers as produced by high quotas - we've gone from about 2% of driversdrunk to 1% unde the experiment does not reduce drink drive crashes as was predicted in the model.

The whole main prongs of the approach is wrong - the AA has sent bulk docs to cabinet saying the paradigm is bung. Just repeat ticketing speeders and drunks is no solution. Overseas they do a little thing like permanently removing proven maniacs off the road. Among a zillion other effective policies. But thats not allowed here - as we are still within a trial the WB won't quit on or admit failed.

Bogan - best to view the OIAs or relevant snippets as illustrations in the book - ready for pirint by August we think.

[riffer]

I'd love to read it but Get "This file is neither allocated to a Premium Account, or a Collector's Account, and can therefore only be downloaded 10 times."

Any chance of posting it as an attachment here? Or I could pm you my gmail account and you email it to me?

[candor]

Oh I didn't know there was a download limit. Will try attaching - not sure how tho and if no joy will send e-ml.

[Genestho]

A very interesting read, I have been questioning the claims made in the safer journeys whatchamacalit (BS now i guess) as for the most part they arent backed up with stats, spose having no facts to back them up is the obvious reason.

You wouldn't be the only one to notice, and you're not - many stakeholders have taken note.

In the area I took the largest note of, there was little to no evidence provided, just findings from a survey and a reccomendation from a group, of whom I still have no idea who they are, even when asking around within the MOT forums.
When doing things like proposing rationale for Transport legislation changes, and safety of the road users, I'd have thought FACTS and evidence based on the last 10 years of data collection in relation to the previous SJ aims - would be a starter.

Although, going by the attitude of the previous MOT I'm not surprised that data appears lacking in the rationales.

[mashman]

Anyone able to post the doc? will PM addy if you would share it, thanks. I'm could do with a good laugh.

[davereid]

Id like a look.. I have a bit of spare server space and could out it on line if required.

[Pixie]

This info should be emailed to everyone in our address books.
We need to embarrass the buggers

[mashman]

First the so called road safety program isn't. It's a documented but classified world bank experiment in how to maximise revenue.
Second they have comp programs that cook the books - by filtering many crashes not caused by speed or alcohol into those classes - and masking other major causes.


If it works here. It will work anywhere in the world!

The UK government has tested 2 (that i can remember) sets of charges/laws in Scotland (4-5 million people) 1 year before implementing in England... my guess is to gauge reaction.

Community Charge that caused the "Poll Tax Riots", the Scots just didn't pay it during the test year (or maybe paid enough???)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots and The "No Smoking" thing is pubs and restaurants etc... We only had that in Scotland in 2005/6, seems like you already had that law in before us. Noone really cared. Plenty of businesses didn't die, people just stood outside a bit more.

[candor]

In the area I took the largest note of, there was little to no evidence provided, just findings from a survey and a reccomendation from a group, of whom I still have no idea who they are, even when asking around within the MOT forums....
I'd have thought FACTS and evidence based on the last 10 years of data collection in relation to the previous SJ aims - would be a starter.


NO facts and evidence are the enemy of evey mad scientist. Just ask those responsible for expt tweaking Dr's G and G at MoT. Screamers on the ph line and maybe headbangers I envision too when you advise them of flaws in logic. Funny how some officials send us sly thankyous when ever we've made a harasing ph call to the terrible Boffin killer twosome. And lights are on late as viewed from Thorndon Tennis club as they aim to conceal their latest OIA identified screwups. What nuisances we are.

Guessing that group is AHW or alcohol health watch Guzzi Wid - it is a Police funded group of anti alcohol folk (likely churchy) that aid Police with occasional stuff. In the UK the media has become suspicious of giving Quangos "quasi non governmental agancies" blabbing time as they generally act as front groups to push Govt policy into popularity eg 0.05. They gave the ridiculous estimate of 70 lives saved by 0.05 by a non scientific method on their website similar to conulting runes, but one MoT is delighted to trumpet like loons. Up to 7m has gone into selling 0.05 - imagine if that dosh had instead gone to road safety th'd have lost fewer lives over Easter. I'm all for shooting the decision forcers.
If murder was legal I'd be at the head of the queue to TCOB - why not as sacrificing countrymen to experiments must = treason, it is quite subversive.

Apologies for the messy style this doc is written in as I'm no journo nor the co-author, but here it is again. It is trying to give overview so much back up stuff is missing that will be in the book. But it does I swear give the authentic truth and show criminal conduct of officials imo.
http://rapidshare.com/files/376528287/Ministry_recommended_solution.doc.html

The book (expanded version) will have a title like "the RAM expeiment - we conduct the inquiry Steven Joyce refused 3 NGOs (with 2M memberships combined) to do". And an organisational chart showing experimental chain of command - writing it gets unreadable and turns off.

If someone can pls make it an attachment or post somewhere great as rapidshare seems to only allow 10 downloads

Some better renditions in brief featured on One news at 8pm on 22nd Feb where I spoke for 5 mins about RAM when asked the cause of Police bashing (saw Steven J as I waited to be let in studio coincidentally) but tvnz can't locate tape. I broached it ever so slightly on Close Up by wedging some facts in, so Steven could respond during a different related topic (see second 5 mins thats me Rachael)
http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/coming-up-close-up-2536722
and did a good spiel on it on Radio awhile ago which Maggie Barry seemed intrigued by, and tried to wedge it in to backbenchers here (see segment one) in another item on causes of cop bashing and unpopularity http://tvnz.co.nz/back-benches/s2010-e2-video-3381016.xhtml It's a big whistle blow but media is having trouble wit exposure due to sponsors and censors so I just look for gaps.