Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[miloking]

A very good friend of mine who was a cop and was killed by a truck while riding home used to say they catch up with a lot of crims doing all the random wof and license checks. The crims have not caught onto not driving around in normal average vehicles but seem to have old shitters or those big new American Chrysler cars.

Ohh ok so when they see iam not a crim why do i still get a ticket for something...at their random "Wof/crim" check...also is it just a lazy way to catch criminals while the smart and more dangerours ones are definately not caught this way!?
But complacent cops believe that by catching few idiots who had some weed on them or forgot to apear in court is catching the real criminals....

Sorry to hear about your friend though...cop or not.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It is dangerous because of the mind set that a lot of riders have where they believe they have the god given right to speed. Just because they have very powerful bike, does not mean they can power out of a dangerous situation. Just because they are a small "soft" radar target and difficult to lock onto means they can speed around and mix it in and out of the traffic flow with impunity. This I can speed because I am on a race bike mentality works fine on the race track where the risks of other traffic and unexpected road hazards are being managed by others but in the real world this mindset prevents the rider identifying and correctly taking steps to manage the normal unexpected day to day road hazards, which catch him out.


Um, doesnt answer the question.

You postulated an entirely different set of circumstances and motivations from the ones I was postulating.

[miloking]

You'd be a fool to say never, but it's pretty unlikely. Too many people with too much money have an interest in bikes. And those with the money make the rules.
I'm picking it'll be a lot easier to start with bikes than Ferraris, you have to be pretty cashed up to get one of those, see above comment.

Having a "genius moment" right now

...we have to get rich and powerful people into motorcycling! Asap!

[The Stranger]

This should be interesting.

"Police will be out in force over the holiday period and will prosecute every driver caught more than 4km/h over the speed limit to help deter unsafe driving which puts lives at risk."

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/24091.html

Surely it raises questions about the speed limit. If say 104 is "that bad" how much safer really is 100?

Obviously all speed limits should be dropped to 30kph. Who cares if you only get half a day at your destination on anniversary weekend - remember, it's about the journey, not the destination.
Better still, to stop this ghastly carnage by motor vehicles ban the lot of them!

[Headbanger]

Awesome police work, They hang out and wait for the crims to come to them, and they identify them by their car.

ffs.

How could anyone put this crap forward as a legit method is beyond me. Sounds more like how you would catch a bus.

[Flip]

Ohh ok so when they see iam not a crim why do i still get a ticket for something...at their random "Wof/crim" check...also is it just a lazy way to catch criminals while the smart and more dangerours ones are difinately not caught this way!?
But complacent cops believe that by catching few idiots who had some weed on them or forgot to apear in court is catching the real criminals....

Sorry to hear about your friend though...cop or not.

Cheers

Well if you got caught with class B and had a warrant issued because you were stupid enough not to appear in court well......................yes! What would you expect?

[rastuscat]

A very good friend of mine who was a cop and was killed by a truck ..........

Steve F was a true gentleman who cared about road safety. The irony of his passing didn't escape anyone.

We mourn his loss, but celebrate the changes he made which led to less road deaths.

[MSTRS]

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

So why don't you? At least that would be properer road policing, with a definite safety focus.
Oh, that's right, you can't...your head-up-arses bosses want a certain number of each type of traffic offence ticketed.

[Flip]

Having a "genius moment" right now

...we have to get rich and powerful people into motorcycling! Asap!

EASY JOIN HoG.

[miloking]

Steve F was a true gentleman who cared about road safety. The irony of his passing didn't escape anyone.

We mourn his loss, but celebrate the changes he made which led to less road deaths.

Totaly innapropriate to ask i know...but how fast was the fateful truck travelling?

[Flip]

Um, doesnt answer the question.

You postulated an entirely different set of circumstances and motivations from the ones I was postulating.

I know I did not, I believe I understand your proposed postulation, and probably SFA.

What makes a rider safe its not the bike he rides or the helmut he wears or within reason the speed he goes, its what goes on between his ears. The road regs are targeted at the lowest common denominator.

I also believe that mostly only smart people ride bikes.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Awesome police work, They hang out and wait for the crims to come to them, and they identify them by their car.

ffs.

How could anyone put this crap forward as a legit method is beyond me. Sounds more like how you would catch a bus.

the last time I tried to catch a bus (in Orklind) we waited and waited and it never showed up. So yeah, that works..

[Katman]

I know I did not, I believe I understand your proposed postulation, and probably SFA.

What makes a rider safe its not the bike he rides or the helmut he wears or within reason the speed he goes, its what goes on between his ears. The road regs are targeted at the lowest common denominator.

I also believe that mostly only smart people ride bikes.

Arghh, ya had me right up until the last sentence.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Surely it raises questions about the speed limit. If say 104 is "that bad" how much safer really is 100?

Obviously all speed limits should be dropped to 30kph. Who cares if you only get half a day at your destination on anniversary weekend - remember, it's about the journey, not the destination.
Better still, to stop this ghastly carnage by motor vehicles ban the lot of them!

30kph. AND you have to have a man jogging in front of you with a red flag. Quite a fit man, obviously.

[slofox]

I also believe that mostly only smart people ride bikes.

Fuck! I should sell me bike then...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thanks for coming out, everyone, I've had a great time.

[scumdog]

So why don't you? At least that would be properer road policing, with a definite safety focus.
Oh, that's right, you can't...your head-up-arses bosses want a certain number of each type of traffic offence ticketed.

Bollocks, stop trolling.

They're both in the same catagory - along with non-wearing of seat-belts, cossing yellow lines etc.

I could sit and dish out Fails to Stop at Stop Sign tickets all day and the only ones to complain would be the ticket recipients.

[scumdog]

30kph. AND you have to have a man jogging in front of you with a red flag. Quite a fit man, obviously.

A fit sheila with a nice arse would suit me better though...

[scumdog]

I am moving to Straya where a man can be free and stuff..

They can inspect your windscreen washer bottle - and ticket you for it if it's empty over there. (If you choose to drive a car)

And try owning a modified vehicle over there.

Or take over your firearms that are allowed here in NZ.

Or many other things allowed over here

Oh yes, free alright! (Tuis moment)

[scumdog]

NO thats not true, you guys know that you will always find another reason for revenue, NO WOF, REGO, Licence conditions you name it....104Km is just excuse to pull people over.

Fuck it...you can even make up shit, like incorrectly mouted plate or using a cellphone or some other such scrap...

Tell you what why dont you make a law to pull over blue cars on monday, red ones on tuesday and so on...saves you on making excuses in name of "safety"

Anywhere, anytime, any car sunshine!

Enjoy!

[HenryDorsetCase]

A fit sheila with a nice arse would suit me better though...

road safety would be compromised because you'd be looking at her bum and going. "Ive got that whole bag of walnuts to crack at home"

[HenryDorsetCase]

They can inspect your windscreen washer bottle - and ticket you for it if it's empty over there. (If you choose to drive a car)

And try owning a modified vehicle over there.

Or take over your firearms that are allowed here in NZ.

Or many other things allowed over here

Oh yes, free alright! (Tuis moment)


I wasnt lisping, thats my tongue in my cheek.

[Ixion]

By and large I think it's a good thing for bikers .

because :

1. As noted below, that small an excess will require Officer Bumblebee to have his radar on almost constantly. Thus making Hector much more effective.

2. Stan and Mabel, on the open road usually travel at 95kph to 110 kph. Except on passing lanes where they travel at whatever is needed to not be overtaken. Stan and Mabel are very condemnatory about "speeders". Such as bikers, who usually travel at 120-130+ on the open road.

So, for us, it won't really make any difference. Risk of ticket before = risk of ticket now (less actually because of (1)) ; and penalty before = penalty now.

But Stan will continue at 105 - 110 , and get a ticket. For speeding. Which will make him livid. He will blame the cops, and we gain an ally. Mable, meanwhile will paranoidally slow down to about 85kph, to be sure that she doesn't get a ticket. Which makes her much easier to get past . On a bike. Which is good for us. For Stan, stuck behind her , in a car, it is not so good. He will be doubly livid, and blame the cops. More allies.

At present cops can portray people who break the speed limit as baby eating enemies of society. Which works so long as speed limit breakers are a small subset. But once the cops start treating Stan and Mabel in the same way, then Stan and Mabel join us. In unity is strength.

[MSTRS]

I could sit and dish out Fails to Stop at Stop Sign tickets all day and the only ones to complain would be the ticket recipients.

So, again, apart from he allocated type-quota, why don't you? It would (eventually) make intersections much safer places, and with the Stop sign leaving no room for tolerance, there could be no argument about "But I've just got new tyres and now my speedo is out by more than it was before..."

[wingnutt]

By and large I think it's a good thing for bikers .

because :

1. As noted below, that small an excess will require Officer Bumblebee to have his radar on almost constantly. Thus making Hector much more effective.

2. Stan and Mabel, on the open road usually travel at 95kph to 110 kph. Except on passing lanes where they travel at whatever is needed to not be overtaken. Stan and Mabel are very condemnatory about "speeders". Such as bikers, who usually travel at 120-130+ on the open road.

So, for us, it won't really make any difference. Risk of ticket before = risk of ticket now (less actually because of (1)) ; and penalty before = penalty now.

But Stan will continue at 105 - 110 , and get a ticket. For speeding. Which will make him livid. He will blame the cops, and we gain an ally. Mable, meanwhile will paranoidally slow down to about 85kph, to be sure that she doesn't get a ticket. Which makes her much easier to get past . On a bike. Which is good for us. For Stan, stuck behind her , in a car, it is not so good. He will be doubly livid, and blame the cops. More allies.

At present cops can portray people who break the speed limit as baby eating enemies of society. Which works so long as speed limit breakers are a small subset. But once the cops start treating Stan and Mabel in the same way, then Stan and Mabel join us. In unity is strength.

hehe I like the way you think Ixion, nicely put.

[miloking]

By and large I think it's a good thing for bikers .

because :

1. As noted below, that small an excess will require Officer Bumblebee to have his radar on almost constantly. Thus making Hector much more effective.

2. Stan and Mabel, on the open road usually travel at 95kph to 110 kph. Except on passing lanes where they travel at whatever is needed to not be overtaken. Stan and Mabel are very condemnatory about "speeders". Such as bikers, who usually travel at 120-130+ on the open road.

So, for us, it won't really make any difference. Risk of ticket before = risk of ticket now (less actually because of (1)) ; and penalty before = penalty now.

But Stan will continue at 105 - 110 , and get a ticket. For speeding. Which will make him livid. He will blame the cops, and we gain an ally. Mable, meanwhile will paranoidally slow down to about 85kph, to be sure that she doesn't get a ticket. Which makes her much easier to get past . On a bike. Which is good for us. For Stan, stuck behind her , in a car, it is not so good. He will be doubly livid, and blame the cops. More allies.

At present cops can portray people who break the speed limit as baby eating enemies of society. Which works so long as speed limit breakers are a small subset. But once the cops start treating Stan and Mabel in the same way, then Stan and Mabel join us. In unity is strength.

MUHAHA i like it! When you put it in this perspective!

Wellcome to the dark side "Stan" and "Mabel" :D

Only hope it works that way, iam worried that Stan and Mabel could be "too far in" on their brain wash cycle...that they will see it as a good thing, either way as you said there is still the Hector benefit and cops will be busy with "Stan"....

[HenryDorsetCase]

By and large I think it's a good thing for bikers .

because :

1. As noted below, that small an excess will require Officer Bumblebee to have his radar on almost constantly. Thus making Hector much more effective.

2. Stan and Mabel, on the open road usually travel at 95kph to 110 kph. Except on passing lanes where they travel at whatever is needed to not be overtaken. Stan and Mabel are very condemnatory about "speeders". Such as bikers, who usually travel at 120-130+ on the open road.

So, for us, it won't really make any difference. Risk of ticket before = risk of ticket now (less actually because of (1)) ; and penalty before = penalty now.

But Stan will continue at 105 - 110 , and get a ticket. For speeding. Which will make him livid. He will blame the cops, and we gain an ally. Mable, meanwhile will paranoidally slow down to about 85kph, to be sure that she doesn't get a ticket. Which makes her much easier to get past . On a bike. Which is good for us. For Stan, stuck behind her , in a car, it is not so good. He will be doubly livid, and blame the cops. More allies.

At present cops can portray people who break the speed limit as baby eating enemies of society. Which works so long as speed limit breakers are a small subset. But once the cops start treating Stan and Mabel in the same way, then Stan and Mabel join us. In unity is strength.

also, babies are delicious

[HenryDorsetCase]

By and large I think it's a good thing for bikers .

because :

1. As noted below, that small an excess will require Officer Bumblebee to have his radar on almost constantly. Thus making Hector much more effective.

2. Stan and Mabel, on the open road usually travel at 95kph to 110 kph. Except on passing lanes where they travel at whatever is needed to not be overtaken. Stan and Mabel are very condemnatory about "speeders". Such as bikers, who usually travel at 120-130+ on the open road.

So, for us, it won't really make any difference. Risk of ticket before = risk of ticket now (less actually because of (1)) ; and penalty before = penalty now.

But Stan will continue at 105 - 110 , and get a ticket. For speeding. Which will make him livid. He will blame the cops, and we gain an ally. Mable, meanwhile will paranoidally slow down to about 85kph, to be sure that she doesn't get a ticket. Which makes her much easier to get past . On a bike. Which is good for us. For Stan, stuck behind her , in a car, it is not so good. He will be doubly livid, and blame the cops. More allies.

At present cops can portray people who break the speed limit as baby eating enemies of society. Which works so long as speed limit breakers are a small subset. But once the cops start treating Stan and Mabel in the same way, then Stan and Mabel join us. In unity is strength.

also, babies are delicious

[slofox]

also, babies are delicious

Yeah! They taste like suckling pig!

[slofox]

I could sit and dish out Fails to Stop at Stop Sign tickets all day and the only ones to complain would be the ticket recipients.

Tell ya what, Scummy - you come up here to The Tron and I'll show you one stop sign that NOBODY ever stops at...(except me of course...:whistle:)

[scumdog]

Tell ya what, Scummy - you come up here to The Tron and I'll show you one stop sign that NOBODY ever stops at...(except me of course...:whistle:)

That single Stop is a quarter of what we have in Riviera of the South.(from memory we have four stop signs:D)

[Smifffy]

That single Stop is a quarter of what we have in Riviera of the South.(from memory we have four stop signs:D)

I don't think they are really going to do it, unless they feel shitty and are having a slow day. I think they would still rather "instant on" ping a dickhead, than stay active all the time, giving warning to Hector.

It's all just a load of hot air designed to subjugate the masses. The comish tells lies all the time, after all he's a politician - that's how he got the job.

[Headbanger]

By and large I think it's a good thing for bikers .



Its not good or bad for bikers, It just makes the cops look like dicks.

[FJRider]

At present cops can portray people who break the speed limit as baby eating enemies of society. Which works so long as speed limit breakers are a small subset. But once the cops start treating Stan and Mabel in the same way, then Stan and Mabel join us. In unity is strength.

But Stan and Mabel will still believe motorcycling is still an expensive way of sitting in a draft ...

[Katman]

More likely Stan and Mabel will think "It's those bastard bikers that have caused this".

[crystalball]

i will over take cars at 100 and 4 and a half km.

[Smifffy]

i will over take cars at 100 and 4 and a half km.

I overtook a nissan patrol towing a trailer today that had indicated and moved over for me. As I pulled alongside he started to pull back into the carriageway, I went past at 115 km/h. It killed me. Don't do it.

[Headbanger]

I took the Skyline out for a spin.

Didn't run over any kids though.

[steve_t]

Saw on the news that the AA are advocating spending as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible. With their test, it took 20 seconds to safely pass a slower vehicle (travelling at 90 such as a vehicle towing a trailer) when going 104km/h. That's a long time on the wrong side of the road! And the police response was that if those were the conditions, you should reconsider whether or not you should be looking to pass at all.
I'm gonna predict a lot more idiotic inappropriate overtaking out of sheer frustration. Some people need to chill out, but others need to be more considerate

[Sentox]

With their test, it took 20 seconds to safely pass a slower vehicle (travelling at 90 such as a vehicle towing a trailer) when going 104km/h. That's a long time on the wrong side of the road! And the police response was that if those were the conditions, you should reconsider whether or not you should be looking to pass at all.

<img src="http://kinialohaguy.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/wtf-cat.jpg" />

The mind boggles.

[Pixie]

Funny,81% of respondents to the Campbell Live poll think it's a revenue gathering exercise.
What? They don't believe Police bullshit?

[shrub]

i will over take cars at 100 and 4 and a half km.

I will stay home or drive the cage - any speed over 40 kmh in a cage is too fast, so I won't get tickets.

[neels]

And the police response was that if those were the conditions, you should reconsider whether or not you should be looking to pass at all.
So I should spend the entire trip from churchur to timaru sitting behind the wankers that drive at 85, except for on the passing lanes when they do 110. If they want to improve road safety they should ticket those cunts for deliberately obstructing traffic. Or the ageing dickheads in their HSV holdens with their HSV jackets and HSV undies who pass you at 130 on the straight bits then slow down to 18.5kph for the first corner they come to and tailgate you if you're impolite enough to pass them on a bit of road that's not absolutely dead straight.

[Smifffy]

So I should spend the entire trip from churchur to timaru sitting behind the wankers that drive at 85, except for on the passing lanes when they do 110.

Yup, that's about what is required, except you should not speed up to 110 at the passing lane. Maintain 100, and the Popo will jump out from behind a bush and giz the HSV fanboi a ticket. Less peeps will make toll calls on the road this weekend as a result.

[Flip]

I gotta ask. Popo?

[98tls]

Cant see what all the fuss is about really,you really didnt see this coming?Long weekends in Aus attract double demerits etc which is whats next here no doubt.110s as boring as 100 so i will continue to ride around 120 on the open road and be selective as to where as i always have.The average Kiwi road user is as thick as 2 planks when it comes to where they choose to speed a little and ive no doubt the coppers often chuckle at there stupidity.Candy from a baby.

[Kickaha]

I gotta ask. Popo?

Police.... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=popo)

[oldrider]

Funny,81% of respondents to the Campbell Live poll think it's a revenue gathering exercise.
What? They don't believe Police bullshit?

Well, it's certainly not about road safety regardless of how hard Key to Zee try to convince themselves that it is! :mellow:

Bloody :tugger: the lot of them! :yes:

Actually I feel sorry for the cops having to enforce this sorry arsed little charade! :shifty:

[Pixie]

. Now if they had followed Australia and doubled the penalties, that *would* be bad.

In Oz they double the demerits.As that does not increase the revenue gained,it is not considered an option in NZ.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So I should spend the entire trip from churchur to timaru sitting behind the wankers that drive at 85, except for on the passing lanes when they do 110. If they want to improve road safety they should ticket those cunts for deliberately obstructing traffic. Or the ageing dickheads in their HSV holdens with their HSV jackets and HSV undies who pass you at 130 on the straight bits then slow down to 18.5kph for the first corner they come to and tailgate you if you're impolite enough to pass them on a bit of road that's not absolutely dead straight.

what you need to do if driving form chur chur to timavegas is:

1. reconsider your destination; then
2. if you simply MUST go there, zip up to Amberley, turn left, go along a bit, then go down SH72/72 thru Methven Fairlie way.

its a nice enough ride.

You still end up in Timaru though.

[neels]

what you need to do if driving form chur chur to timavegas is:

1. reconsider your destination; then
2. if you simply MUST go there, zip up to Amberley, turn left, go along a bit, then go down SH72/72 thru Methven Fairlie way.

its a nice enough ride.

You still end up in Timaru though.
Fair comments, although I should clarify that I never go to timaru, rather through timaru. If it was a choice between timaru or staying home sticking pins in my eyes then the pins would win every time. Unless I'm travelling for work, then I'm in the cage anyway but I'm not in a hurry, because I'm being paid for being at work.

[cruza]

Saw on the news that the AA are advocating spending as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible. With their test, it took 20 seconds to safely pass a slower vehicle (travelling at 90 such as a vehicle towing a trailer) when going 104km/h. That's a long time on the wrong side of the road! And the police response was that if those were the conditions, you should reconsider whether or not you should be looking to pass at all.


Try winding up a truck and trailer to pass some slow wanker , trying to keep in the 4 km tolerance, then to have said wanker put his foot down ...........to the end of the passing bay then slow down to just under 90 again lol

[cruza]

Cant see what all the fuss is about really,you really didnt see this coming?Long weekends in Aus attract double demerits etc which is whats next here no doubt.110s as boring as 100 so i will continue to ride around 120 on the open road and be selective as to where as i always have.The average Kiwi road user is as thick as 2 planks when it comes to where they choose to speed a little and ive no doubt the coppers often chuckle at there stupidity.Candy from a baby.

Long weekends ya just have to turn on the radio and cruise. I add on another 30-40min on a chch-dunedin run mid afternoon. The percentage of useless moron drivers doubles .

[98tls]

Long weekends ya just have to turn on the radio and cruise. I add on another 30-40min on a chch-dunedin run mid afternoon. The percentage of useless moron drivers doubles .

That or take the inland route 72 coming out at Winchester and go hard with minimal risk.

[Berries]

Steve F was a true gentleman who cared about road safety. The irony of his passing didn't escape anyone.
Old Fitz eh. I would have loved to have shown him this forum. "Scroats and arseholes the lot of them."


Cant see what all the fuss is about really,you really didnt see this coming?Long weekends in Aus attract double demerits etc which is whats next here no doubt.110s as boring as 100 so i will continue to ride around 120 on the open road and be selective as to where as i always have.
Put it like that and you are bang on. Don't know why I was getting worked up. Especially if the cop around the corner is already dealing with someone, which is going to be more likely if they do go through with this. Maybe it is good news ? Still, if I have a copper behind me I will be sitting at 90 from now on.

[onearmedbandit]

Consider for just a second that you're addressing someone able to think through the consequences of the stand they have taken without you talking to them like a 5 year old.

Why should the cop get my abuse?,Who said I would abuse them?, do you think everyone that doesn't follow your code is stupid?

Fuck we get shirty don't we? I never pointed the finger at you, or anyone in particular. And yes I think everyone else is stupid.

[rustic101]

Old Fitz eh. I would have loved to have shown him this forum. "Scroats and arseholes the lot of them.".

Fitz was a true gentleman had more class than PR will ever have. She is interested in one thing and one thing only... When Fitz spoke you listened but with interest as the message was genuine and meaningful, albeit with a smile on his face.

I wonder how many phone books were slipped into his casket ;) I know of at least one :innocent: well Yellow Pages actually!!!

[Headbanger]

Fuck we get shirty don't we? I never pointed the finger at you, or anyone in particular. And yes I think everyone else is stupid.

are you referring to me this time?

Cause you know, I tend to think you are when you take something I have said and directly address it.

But no, Not shirty in the slightest, I did however keep myself mildly amused through a good chunk of the day, so I am moderately satisfied.

Plus I just ate 6 slices of toast, 8 biscuits, an apple and washed it down with 2 coffees.

Now to look at some porn and call it a night.

[Max Preload]

The Kustom Eagle dash mounted moving radar is accurate to ± 2km/h in stationary mode and ± 3km/h in moving mode

I haven't seen them for a loooooong time.


OK Mr.Katman...iam open minded but as BoristheBiter says iam also ignorat fuck

You too, eh? And he tells ME to get new material? :rofl:

He's a fucking dumb cunt, by any yardstick.

[miloking]

You too, eh? And he tells ME to get new material? :rofl:

He's a fucking dumb cunt, by any yardstick.

I think he hates me because i won 3 of his arcade throphies and it ruined his overall score :D (i did it on purpose because i noticed he likes to be 1st)
He pretends he doesnt care but i think it made him angry, so thats why he calls me names...

[BoristheBiter]

I think he hates me because i won 3 of his arcade throphies and it ruined his overall score :D (i did it on purpose because i noticed he likes to be 1st)
He pretends he doesnt care but i think it made him angry, so thats why he calls me names...

Staying up all day and all night to beat some high score just to piss someone off.
How could i be angry with someone that has such a pathetic lonely life as that.
Pity is the word i would use.

[Smiff-ta]

I guess now 105kmh is a speeding ticket I wonder if the Police will ticket vehicles impeeding the flow of traffic. Followed a car at 80 km all along Karapiro last weekend, but when the driver got to the passing lane he/she decided 120km was a more appropriate speed.

[Smifffy]

I guess now 105kmh is a speeding ticket I wonder if the Police will ticket vehicles impeeding the flow of traffic. Followed a car at 80 km all along Karapiro last weekend, but when the driver got to the passing lane he/she decided 120km was a more appropriate speed.

Happened to me there the week before that too.

[Patrick]

Just learned the twats are going to reduce the 'tolerance' for speeding from 10km/h to 4km/h. Do the stupid fuckers never learn? Funnily enough, the road toll fell incessantly for decades until they reduced the 'tolerance' from a half-way reasonable 16km/h to 10. Then it stalled. It stopped going down and even went up slightly. They really are stupid, vindictive, narrow-minded cunts. I used to respect the police, i really did. But look at them: Bullying young girls into gang rapes, covering the truth, sending a taxi for Irene Asher, fit-ups that they'll never let go, refusing breath tests, shooting innocent people, piss-poorly trained and controlled police dogs attacking innocent bystanders and toddlers, beating up people on the street, beating up people in the cells, killing bikers with mental U-turns, loads of people chased to their deaths but they 'called off the chase seconds earlier, and not bothering to investigate child abuse cases so they could put more pigs out on traffic.

4 fucking kays. They'll nick thousands more and the road toll will go UP as drivers swicth off their attention even more. Just like the last reduction - a total failure. Was it Benjamin Franklin who said "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results'?

We should do something about this.

Shit. I thought you were talking about what cops put up with...... tarts throwing themselves at cops because of the strange uniform fascination thing, covering the truth (all crims lie out their arses), being taxis to drunken folk who can't sort out their own shit (ASHER was different, clearly - but the thousands of others who ring 111 on any given weekend weren't...) fit ups that they never let go (P.C.A?), refusing breath tests (on any given night, piss heads doing this), shooting innocent people (the one and only courier.... how many cops have been shot and killede/wounded...?) dogs attacking people (crims unregistered/untrained pit bull/mongrel bullet fodder - as for the toddler, that is news to me... but hey, it makes a good story, if it is not real......), beating up cops on the street and in the cells, killing bikers with U turns (once? fair enough....), peoiple chased to their deaths (oh yeah, thats right, its the cops fault that the arsewipe who was breaking whatever law, broke more laws in trying to flee and because he/she was such a dickwad, smeared him/herslef over the road while committing such crimes... LOL...) and not investigating child abuse cases because they were out snaking? Detectives, who investigate child abuse cases, don't even know what a ticket book looks like. Nice story, though.......

[Patrick]

I'd like you to start with implementing the reccommendations of the IPCA regarding the Pursuit policy and the prioritisation of child abuse cases over traffic enforcement, rather than having them refuted.

I'd also like to see payment of fines actually enforced, so that boy racers who rack up thousands get to pay the consequences as well as middle NZ who is 12 Km/hr over once in a while.

I'd rather you stopped & booked every fucker that's so much as 1 mg over the alcohol limit. I'd really like it if you removed every pile of shit car that has no wof & rego from the highways, since I'm all paid up. I really like the whole centreline idea, that's good - well done. If you really get stuck for something to do you could always go do that stuff that's in those heart-warming youtube vids we've seen a bit of lately.

I think the point is that the popo can't manage to stop the zoomy boys and girls that do +20 km/h so they have decided to target the slow movers in the herd.

That's what I want you to do, but I guess you don't think any of those are sensible.

Regarding the Easter road toll, I'd be interested to know from a crash investigation point of view, just what the degree of accuracy is for estimating the speed of a crashed vehicle using physical evidence. In my naievity I imagine that there are standards and studies for this type of thing, rather than 'educated' guesswork.

Detectives deal with Child Abuse. They don't do traffic in any way, shape or form - never have, never will.

Courts do the fines enforcement. They are pretty good down these parts..... seizing cars, bikes, property all the time....

Everyone over the limit, who is stopped, is done - be it 1mg over or whatever is over - its over....

WOF and Regos - all the time. Removing them from the roads? Pink and green stickeres issued daily, but like anything, just ignored by the recipient. Mobile crushing would be a more permanent fix.

Can't manage to stop the +20?????? Yer what? How can one spin around to stop em, if we can't do more than 2km over the limit for fear of a pursuit crash......?

The reality is, that is what is being done - nothing new here at all..... Moving on.....

Degree of accuracy? Hard to tell an exact accuracy, but Newtons Laws Of Physics give a good indication of speeds based on mathematical calculations - there is screeds of books and topics out there on this.

[MSTRS]

- as for the toddler, that is news to me...

I won't respond to the rest, but the toddler one...definitely happened. Was a dog unit doing the kindy PR thing, as had done for some while. Dog went for the kid's face. Was at Cook St Kindy in Taradale. And the kid only approached the dog when invited by the cop/handler to come pat it.

[Patrick]

Goodness, next thing the cops will be doing people for a breath alcohol level of 416mcgm - oh wait, they already do people for only 400, the legal limit, oh my!!

And we all know 400 is Really Dangerous (tm) whereas 399 is perfectly safe......:whistle:

And 104kph?
I don't give a shit, I won't be getting any tickets for that kind of speed....nor will I be dishing out any for the same speed either...:no:

Ditto - none of my crew are even going there either..... MIght let you all know how many 4-10k tickets are issued locally. My guess...? A big fat 0.......................

[Patrick]

.... Nothing, including Urgent Duty Driving exempts Police, Fire or Ambos to that rule.

Yet how many Emergency vehicles do you see exceeding the limit daily?

My rant over..

You're shitting me...... You really think that Ambos, shouldn't rush to help heart attack victims, Fireys shouldn't rush to put out fires and Police shouldn't rush to whatever crime is happening? This is a pisstake, surely.....?????????

Cops do get tickets. I even got two in one morning. Go figure.

[MSTRS]

Shock! Horror! Cops ignoring orders?
Or is this just a cunning ploy to make us all relax?

[Smifffy]

Newton described the laws of motion, which are but three of the laws of physics, that have been described by many great thinkers. There are screeds of books on this. Newton also realised that there are things that scientists call measurement error. The sum of the measurement errors affects the final result, and is often called the degree, or level, of accuracy. As I said in my earlier post I am naieve enough to believe that there have been numerous studies, and maybe even "screeds of books and topics out there on this".

What I wanted, was for someone who actually understood these concepts to comment on what international best practicice considers to be the margin of error in these mathematical calculations of yours.

Your comment about the +20 only reinforces my view that the predators have decided not to take on the raging bulls, but target the slower moving among the herd.

Happy Hunting.

As for the child abuse thing, I guess the IPCA report (http://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/Child-Abuse-Inquiry/default.aspx) hasn't trickled down to your level yet.


Detectives deal with Child Abuse. They don't do traffic in any way, shape or form - never have, never will.

Courts do the fines enforcement. They are pretty good down these parts..... seizing cars, bikes, property all the time....

Everyone over the limit, who is stopped, is done - be it 1mg over or whatever is over - its over....

WOF and Regos - all the time. Removing them fromthe orads? Pink and green stickerews issued daily, butlike anything, just ignored by the recipient. Mobile crushing would be a more permanent fix.

Can't manage to stop the +20?????? Yer what? How can one spin around to stop em, if we can't do more than 2km over the limit for fear of a pursuit crash......?

The reality is, that is what is being done - nothing new here at all..... Moving on.....

Degree of accuracy? Hard to tell an exact accuracy, but Newtons Laws Of Physics give a good indication of speeds based on mathematical calculations - there is screeds of books and topics out there on this.

[oldrider]

Detectives deal with Child Abuse. They don't do traffic in any way, shape or form - never have, never will.

Courts do the fines enforcement. They are pretty good down these parts..... seizing cars, bikes, property all the time....

Everyone over the limit, who is stopped, is done - be it 1mg over or whatever is over - its over....

WOF and Regos - all the time. Removing them fromthe orads? Pink and green stickerews issued daily, butlike anything, just ignored by the recipient. Mobile crushing would be a more permanent fix.

Can't manage to stop the +20?????? Yer what? How can one spin around to stop em, if we can't do more than 2km over the limit for fear of a pursuit crash......?

The reality is, that is what is being done - nothing new here at all..... Moving on.....

Degree of accuracy? Hard to tell an exact accuracy, but Newtons Laws Of Physics give a good indication of speeds based on mathematical calculations - there is screeds of books and topics out there on this.

After the cops have done all this, some smart arsed lawyer and a piss weak judge end up letting them off or slapping them with a wet bus ticket!

The cops wear the brunt and we pay for it! :weird::brick:

[Patrick]

.......How about breath alcohol testing? Very few of us carry a device that informs you if you're near the 401 limit, and on top of that there is no tolerence.

The evidential machine will read 399 and 400, but not read 401. I think 401 up to 440, it rounds it down to 400.

Blood results are the same. The actual level will be taken down by 5 or 6 points and that is the level one will be done for, (if over, of course....)

There is a "tolerance."

[Patrick]

HAHA the irony http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3770036/Mayor-nicked-at-142kmh-loses-licence

He sped up to a overtake a car he had been following at between 85 and 95kmh.

"I put the foot down to overtake, broke the rules and got caught," he said. The car he was passing had sped up to 105kmh during the passing manoeuvre, a fact noted by the ticketing officer, he said.

That offence took him to over 100 demerit points, the limit at which a driver's licence is automatically suspended"


We will see much more of those after this weekend, this is awesome..

(if it was any of us mortals got caught doing 142 and not mayor or large city we would also be "appearing in court" on dangerous driving charge...)

WRONG....

42 over is an instant fine ($400) and instant loss of license for 28 days, be you the mayor or miloking.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I wonder how many phone books were slipped into his casket ;) I know of at least one :innocent: well Yellow Pages actually!!!

What is the significance of this?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I did however keep myself mildly amused through a good chunk of the day, so I am moderately satisfied.



same. (ten characters) :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Your comment about the +20 only reinforces my view that the predators have decided not to take on the raging bulls, but target the slower moving among the herd.



Um, thats what predators DO. Survival of the fittest etc. To use your metaphor, everytime one "speeds", one demonstrates ones superior ability and fitness for procreation.

Now we all know.

[Patrick]

How does percieved risk deserve punishment? Its just that...percieved, nothing more.

And yes at the end of straight in puke i did manage to get 270ish (indicated) out of the CBRRAAAWRRRR but i would not attempt that on the road unless alone with nobody anywhere to be seen .... but we are still talking about 105k/m "will be persecuted" here, and i can with 99.99% certainty tell you that i will never cause an accident at that speed...and even in that 0.01% chance if i do...its only going to hurt me not the truck or bus or whatever comes down the road.
And if i do hurt someone yeah lock me up and throw away the key but until then....

You miss the point - you may not be the cause of the crash. You might, however, be the result... however badly that may turn out to be..... through no fault of your own? But the faster you go, the bigger the mess, (or the bigger the cash donation to the government).

[HenryDorsetCase]

WRONG....

42 over is an instant fine ($400) and instant loss of license for 28 days, be you the mayor or miloking.

that story also said that he blew his demerit point cap in the same escapade.

People in Porsches are allowed to speed I thought. It was a Panamera, which is quite a nice, and a relatively expensive car. Given our roads are not unlike Autobahns, you know, with the connecting Point a to point b and all, it seems only fair if you have a car that is designed and built to go fast, that you should be able to go fast.

[Smifffy]

I found a useful primer here http://www.tarorigin.com/art/Omasory/Sensitivity/

It's possibly a little above the educational requirements to join traffic enforcement, but quite an enjoayble read, once you can get over the use of non SI units, and has colourful graphics.

An interesting line from the article:


First we must choose a range to "bracket". We choose to calculate the change in acceleration for increments 4 ft/sec around our time of 88 ft/second. 4 ft/sec is roughly equivalent to 2 M/h or 4km/h. This increment was chosen because it is a fair estimate for the uncertainty in reading the speedometer.

I didn't see a date on the article, so they may have since changed their basis for deciding what is fair for speedometer uncertainty.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You're shitting me...... You really think that Ambos, shouldn't rush to help heart attack victims, Fireys shouldn't rush to put out fires and Police shouldn't rush to whatever crime is happening? This is a pisstake, surely.....?????????

Cops do get tickets. I even got two in one morning. Go figure.


Well if 104kph is dangerous, and 100kph is safe (the gummint told me so, so it must be) then OF COURSE organs of the state should not be permitted to exceed the state sanctioned safe velocity.

Of course, the fact that they CAN and DO, might cause some to remark on the hypocrisy of same. Not me though.

[HenryDorsetCase]

"organs of the state"

mmmm organs

[Smifffy]

"organs of the state"

mmmm organs

Tripe and onions?

[Patrick]

Newton described the laws of motion, which are but three of the laws of physics, that have been described by many great thinkers. There are screeds of books on this. Newton also realised that there are things that scientists call measurement error. The sum of the measurement errors affects the final result, and is often called the degree, or level, of accuracy. As I said in my earlier post I am naieve enough to believe that there have been numerous studies, and maybe even "screeds of books and topics out there on this".

What I wanted, was for someone who actually understood these concepts to comment on what international best practicice considers to be the margin of error in these mathematical calculations of yours.

Your comment about the +20 only reinforces my view that the predators have decided not to take on the raging bulls, but target the slower moving among the herd.

Happy Hunting.

As for the child abuse thing, I guess the IPCA report (http://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/Child-Abuse-Inquiry/default.aspx) hasn't trickled down to your level yet.

Newton is weird. Math sucks. I guess I aint yer man for what you are wanting....

My comment about the +20 is tongue in cheek. Moaning about pursuits on one hand, then claiming +20 are too hard to deal within the next breath. Which one is it to be...? How does my comment reinforce your view?????????? The reality is quite different to how you perceive it to be.

As for the child abuse thing - I aint a detective. Never have, never will. So yeah, it hasn't trickled down to me.

[Patrick]

that story also said that he blew his demerit point cap in the same escapade.

People in Porsches are allowed to speed I thought. It was a Panamera, which is quite a nice, and a relatively expensive car. Given our roads are not unlike Autobahns, you know, with the connecting Point a to point b and all, it seems only fair if you have a car that is designed and built to go fast, that you should be able to go fast.

The ticket given pushed him over the 100 point mark, but that isn't an instant. Those documents are still to be served on him at alater date, once those points are added to his list.....

Perhaps the message shouldn't be "Speed Kills..."

Perhaps it should be, "Speed causes you to sometimes make large and unnecessary donations to the government."

It's a bit of a mouthful, but I wonder if I should copyright it just in case it might catch on............

[Smiff-ta]

WOF and Regos - all the time. Removing them from the roads? Pink and green stickeres issued daily, but like anything, just ignored by the recipient. Mobile crushing would be a more permanent fix.

Imagne how much easier it would be if it was illegal to sell petrol or diesel to someone with out a WOF or REG.

[MSTRS]

Imagne how much easier it would be if it was illegal to sell petrol or diesel to someone with out a WOF or REG.

Pffft! Gonna take your lawnmower in for a fill?

[neels]

Imagne how much easier it would be if it was illegal to sell petrol or diesel to someone with out a WOF or REG.
Then service station workers would get the same abuse from ignorant customers as bottle store and supermarket workers when they refuse to sell booze to people who are pissed off their heads.

I'm sure they'd appreciate your suggestion.

[-Alias-]

I think it sucks, but legally (emphasis is on the word legally) the speed limit is the speed limit. And before anyone gets their panties up their crack, I'm only saying what's law. There will be plenty of places for people to speed if they really want to where the police won't be sitting - ya just gotta guess where. Do ya feel lucky punk, well do ya......... (okay you have to imagine the Clint drawl on that one).

It will be interesting to see what impact, if any, this has on the road toll and whether there will be a "reveal all" at the end of it as to how many tickets were actually issued.

Oh. I Plan to submit a number of OIA requests around this policy in the coming weeks. And I encourage everyone to do the same!

[CHOPPA]

Maybe they should pull people up that are driving 10km under the speed limit so i dont get f*%ked off and have to pass them.

Im happy if the traffic is getting along at 100k but then when people start pissing around going slow and i get into passing mode it all changes

[Bald Eagle]

Maybe they should pull people up that are driving 10km under the speed limit so i dont get f*%ked off and have to pass them.

Im happy if the traffic is getting along at 100k but then when people start pissing around going slow and i get into passing mode it all changes

New slogan then instead of speed kills..... slowness kills slowly . don't think it'll catch on .

[HenryDorsetCase]

Imagne how much easier it would be if it was illegal to sell petrol or diesel to someone with out a WOF or REG.

do you listen to yourself? did you bleat about the "nanny state" before the election?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The ticket given pushed him over the 100 point mark, but that isn't an instant. Those documents are still to be served on him at alater date, once those points are added to his list.....

Perhaps the message shouldn't be "Speed Kills..."

Perhaps it should be, "Speed causes you to sometimes make large and unnecessary donations to the government."

It's a bit of a mouthful, but I wonder if I should copyright it just in case it might catch on............

I think we established yesterday that "safety" in this context is about being safe from being ticketed not from having a wreck. Do try and keep up.

[miloking]

Perhaps the message shouldn't be "Speed Kills..."

Perhaps it should be, "Speed causes you to sometimes make large and unnecessary donations to the government."


Wow i think we are finaly getting somewhere, bravo!!!! Thats all that i wanted to hear from at least one cop...the TRUTH about speeding in this country!

[imdying]

Wow i think we are finaly getting somewhere, bravo!!!! Thats all that i wanted to hear from at least one cop...the TRUTH about speeding in this country!Fool... you're not getting anywhere... you haven't the truth about speeding from a cop, all you have is a cops satirical observation on what he thinks would be a more succesful message to give to an ignorant public :rolleyes:

[miloking]

Fool... you're not getting anywhere... you haven't the truth about speeding from a cop, all you have is a cops satirical observation on what he thinks would be a more succesful message to give to an ignorant public :rolleyes:

Well obivously you would be the other type of cop that acutaly believes "speed kills" nonsense....or at least tries to force it to public to keep status quo happy.

What Patrick wrote (even if accidentaly, and meant as joke) is a truth and you all know it very well...

As would Mr.T say "I pity the fool that believes speed kills bullshit"

[imdying]

What Patrick wrote (even if accidentaly, and meant as joke) is a truth and you all know it very well...Yup, he's quite correct, people don't give a fuck about killing other people, but they do about having to pay tickets. And you can't say that's not the truth, as you're the number one example.

[miloking]

Yup, he's quite correct, people don't give a fuck about killing other people, but they do about having to pay tickets. And you can't say that's not the truth, as you're the number one example.

We are talking about two completely different "truths" here:

1) people dont give a fuck about other people but money! (i agree, and yes iam the prime example)
2) "Speed Kills" campaign isnt about safety but about money! (well this is not news but it seems some of you still dont get it)

Its all fucking only about money!

[R-Soul]

My personal guess is the weather will have a bigger impact than any marginal speed reduction. Especially when you consider the average speed is already below 100km/h thanks to most modern speedo's having a deliberate 6% error at 100km/h.

Thats why I ride at 120kph- to account for calibration error of speedo and cops clearance of 4-10kph....

[Reckless]

Thats why I ride at 120kph- to account for calibration error of speedo and cops clearance of 4-10kph....

I haven't read every post and this may have been covered but the truth of it's right there!!! Nothing personal r-soul but lowering the tolerence don't mean sqaut to the speeders. None of them travel at 104 anyway and the fines/Demerits are still the same for 120 or 130K over. So WTF???
Its just an exersize in stupidity, even the cops realise it and also realise what stupid damage the palimenterians are doing to there increasingly fragile image. Whoever dreamed this up needs a bloody good rodgering!!

[Brian d marge]

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

well what else do u want me to call it ? user pays transport system ? effective policing ?

or how about health care expenditure reduction plan?

We have been through this in other threads , the roading policies are , lets just say not very well thought out

and if you combine the cameras , and contacts per hour , it adds up to a tidy sum entering the general tax pool

4 km tolerance is ridiculous

Stephen

[rastuscat]

Wow i think we are finaly getting somewhere, bravo!!!! Thats all that i wanted to hear from at least one cop...the TRUTH about speeding in this country!

My suggestion is "Speed Contributes To The Nastiness Of Crashes, As Well As Causing Some".

I like Patricks one though.

[Swoop]

Saw on the news that the AA are advocating spending as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible. With their test, it took 20 seconds to safely pass a slower vehicle (travelling at 90 such as a vehicle towing a trailer) when going 104km/h. That's a long time on the wrong side of the road!
I'm gonna predict a lot more idiotic inappropriate overtaking out of sheer frustration.

That test by the AA involved ONE vehicle managing to complete the overtake. Considering the length of overtaking bays, this creates a decent blockage of traffic. There will be a shitload of pissed-off drivers out there if that happens!
It will be interesting to see the outcome of the long weekend, due to the kiwi mentality to go out and get killed on the roads. If the roadtoll is greater this year than others, will we see even more stupid approaches to road policing?

[rastuscat]

well what else do u want me to call it ? user pays transport system ? effective policing ?

or how about health care expenditure reduction plan?

We have been through this in other threads , the roading policies are , lets just say not very well thought out

and if you combine the cameras , and contacts per hour , it adds up to a tidy sum entering the general tax pool

4 km tolerance is ridiculous

Stephen

Interesting. Call it what you like, no excess speed = no speeding ticket. It also means less chance of a crash happening, and less damage if it does.

So, slow down for whatever reason you want, as long as you do. No, not you personally, in generic terms I mean.

Ho hum.

[onearmedbandit]

Lets put the safety issue aside for a moment, is it really about revenue or votes? The government are seen to be doing something about the road toll that a lot of the public buy hook line and sinker. Speeders have now been tarred as the scourge of society, wrecking havoc all over our roads. The majority of the public are happy, even if they do speed themselves the odd time (but they're above average drivers who can handle it, not like that guy that just passed them) because the killers on our roads are being targeted in a way that doesn't affect them (for the most part).

It would be political suicide for the government that tried to introduce tougher license regulations. Stringent retesting every 5yrs, compulsory defensive driving and emergency car control courses. All of this would cost a lot more, so up goes the cost of your license to cover it (like is done in other countries), but it would do a great deal more for road safety than sitting on the side of a road with a radar. However, it would be a vote loser. After all, it's not us who is the problem, it's the other guy.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting. Call it what you like, no excess speed = no speeding ticket. It also means less chance of a crash happening, and less damage if it does.

So, slow down for whatever reason you want, as long as you do. No, not you personally, in generic terms I mean.

Ho hum.

who will walk in front with the red flag?

its not the speed that i personally have issue with , its the general roading policy it could be so much better if a little thouht ( which has been well documented by European , canadian reseach institutions )

suffice to say the 80/20 rule tends to apply with drivers 80 % tend to drive to a safe speed / style as perceived by the driver with a few exceeding this

So on a long straight road , 80 % will drift to 110 ish , and a few will be 140 ish , but over a twisty mountain pass 80 % will be 60km and a few 80 + but according to the Royal smart person all rural roads are 100kph more or less


I personally find 100 kph a little to fast as I am used to Japanese roads which are small and crowded also do no have footpaths so the average speed between 40 and 60 kph ( actually I used a gps the other day to measure my average speed when the wife went to pick up the new curtains ., just over 20 kph for the whole journey , peaking at 30 something

Basically IMHO , crashes cost money , and higher speed crashes tend to cause more damage , which needs more health care dollars , soooo.... reduce the speed, reduce the spending , doesn't address the basics ( we have no money and are shocking drivers )

Stephen

[Ixion]

I haven't read every post and this may have been covered but the truth of it's right there!!! Nothing personal r-soul but lowering the tolerence don't mean sqaut to the speeders. None of them travel at 104 anyway and the fines/Demerits are still the same for 120 or 130K over. So WTF???
..!

Precisely so. I never speed myself, or course, becasue speed kills (this I know for the government tells me so). But those who DO speed won't be at al laffected by this, because , by definition, they're not travelling at 105-110 anyway.

The person who will be affected is Stan who travels at (he thinks) 100kph. And is loud in condemning those idiot speeders. But in reality he often drifts up to 110, because he isn't paying attention .(He never does). So now he will maybe get caught. Which will make him as loud in denouncing the cops as in denouncing speeders . Way to go, make friends and get the public on side, Mr Broad.

[HenryDorsetCase]

who will walk in front with the red flag?


Serena Williams

[oldrider]

Serena Williams

This could be a long ride! :eek5: (I hope)

[miloking]

Staying up all day and all night to beat some high score just to piss someone off.
How could i be angry with someone that has such a pathetic lonely life as that.
Pity is the word i would use.

Nah dont worry it didnt take me long, and i couldnt sleep anyway...all those hot chicks in my bed kept me awake all night so i decided to get up and squash some of your high scores :)

[Mudfart]

Go on, let us know what you want us to do.

Like, instead of just sitting and grizzling about what we are doing, actually have a sensible idea and maybe we'll try it.

So there.

well if the rodney peeps can do a go slow protest holding up shitloads of queens birthday traffic (and not get issued tickets for going slow), then why cant we?

[BoristheBiter]

Nah dont worry it didnt take me long, and i couldnt sleep anyway...all those hot chicks in my bed kept me awake all night so i decided to get up and squash some of your high scores :)

God you talk shit.

[Scuba_Steve]

It also means less chance of a crash happening

You'll actually find it means the complete opposite, "speed scams" increase accident rates & the only thing bringing fatalities down is improved safety features in vehicles.

[miloking]

God you talk shit.

Well at least iam not bitter asshole...just because people dont agree with me

[Dare]

We are talking about two completely different "truths" here:

1) people dont give a fuck about other people but money! (i agree, and yes iam the prime example)
2) "Speed Kills" campaign isnt about safety but about money! (well this is not news but it seems some of you still dont get it)

Its all fucking only about money!
Funny story,
They (the government) probably make more off the income tax on one of NZ's highest earning individuals than they do off this entire campaign.

[Brian d marge]

Serena Williams

Pooh pooh Sir

This is much better 209435



stephen

[Katman]

the only thing bringing fatalities down is improved safety features in vehicles.

It's a pity that so few have clicked yet to the idea that improved safety features between the ears would achieve even better results.

[Dare]

Pooh pooh Sir

This is much better 209435


stephen
No.
<img src="http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/355/9/6/Hide_and_Seek_by_SusanCoffey.jpg"></img>
http://susancoffey.deviantart.com/
What were we talking about?

[Brian d marge]

No.
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/141/e/5/May_by_SusanCoffey.jpg
http://susancoffey.deviantart.com/
What were we talking about?

meeehh to young , star fish in bed


mind you she might be young enough to do the rusty nuts challenge

Stephen

[Dare]

meeehh to young , star fish in bed


mind you she might be young enough to do the rusty nuts challenge

Stephen
Starfish? Enthusiasm fail! That's not age related ;)

[BoristheBiter]

Well at least iam not bitter asshole...just because people dont agree with me

Why would you think that, i'm not the one ranting on about speeding tickets. all i said was that the police do more than just write out tickets.
You are the one getting you panties in a twist saying thats all they do.
I don't know what your problem is, whether it's just your east euro temper but get over it already, move on to something else, everyone else has.
If you are going to continue just remember that it will be a cop who will clean up your body on the road and a cop who will tell your family that you are dead. So yip I guess it is easier to write out a ticket to hopefully prevent people from killing themselves then cleaning up.

[miloking]

Why would you think that, i'm not the one ranting on about speeding tickets. all i said was that the police do more than just write out tickets.
You are the one getting you panties in a twist saying thats all they do.
I don't know what your problem is, whether it's just your east euro temper but get over it already, move on to something else, everyone else has.
If you are going to continue just remember that it will be a cop who will clean up your body on the road and a cop who will tell your family that you are dead. So yip I guess it is easier to write out a ticket to hopefully prevent people from killing themselves then cleaning up.

Trust me, iam over it....i know speed over 105km/h pretty much guarantees a ticket, and there is nothing i can do about that and might as well call it "road privilege tax" or something.
I also know that cops will always be ...just cops and do exactly what politicians tell them and some of them always were and always will be just bunch of spiteful cunts that go that extra mile to make average Joe's life misarable (AND yes i know that lots of them also do GREAT job, but this never was discussion about the good cops out there and so if i ever said ALL cops, it was likely out of anger and nothing more...)... so yeah just life realy.

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny story,
They (the government) probably make more off the income tax on one of NZ's highest earning individuals than they do off this entire campaign.

No the high earners "filter" their money and end up paying shit all & the "speed scams" bring in millions, 30.4 million in fact (or $2.5mil/month) for the year ending Oct 30 2009 & that was down $5mil from the previous year, which I guess is why there doing this big push now profits must be down again.

[schrodingers cat]

What would be REALLY interesting would be if for a week or two everyone in the country made the most mega effort to obey the speed limit.
Fuck all would change.
Fatalities would still be 'too fast forthe conditions' rather than saying out roads are shit and our driver training (and I use that word advisedly) is non existant and it is possible for our most accident prone to purchase for $1 deposit the sort of car that would slaughter the all but the most highly modified race vehicles of 25 years ago and, and, and

It's a nice idea that no-body should have to die but really...

[rastuscat]

You'll actually find it means the complete opposite, "speed scams" increase accident rates & the only thing bringing fatalities down is improved safety features in vehicles.


Hmmmmmmm. So, go faster and have less crashes. Is that what you mean?

Thing is, I've spent 22 years in the job and have attended hundreds if not thousands of crashes. Lots of them would have prevented by someone going slower and having more reaction and braking time.

I'm not influenced by the propoganda, my views are formed from personal experience.

[Max Preload]

Interesting. Call it what you like, no excess speed = no speeding ticket. It also means less chance of a crash happening...

That's a spurious conclusion if ever I saw one.

[firefighter]

Interesting. Call it what you like, no excess speed = no speeding ticket. It also means less chance of a crash happening,

Ca'nt say I agree. I spent so much time watching my speedo whilst out today I was paying about half the amount of time watching the road as what I usually would. Not being dramatic here, I really did find it frustrating at times, and a bit dangerous.
I know you should be able to judge your speed, but when your coasting or climbing a hill, it can be difficult, and unfortunately the NZ police decide that at the bottom of hills and gentle slopes is the place to target for people speeding, so my eyes are on the speedo, not nearly spending as much time scanning as i'm used to. And yes, i'm a professional driver too. Heaven help anyone that pulls in front of me at the last second, because i'll probably hit them, all for the sake of 6km/h.

Also, the crashes that are happening as a result of speed causing a loss of control, as far as i'm aware are'nt at 108km/h. They're at 120+. (again as far as i'm aware, I realise I may be well wrong here).

[rustic101]

You're shitting me...... You really think that Ambos, shouldn't rush to help heart attack victims, Fireys shouldn't rush to put out fires and Police shouldn't rush to whatever crime is happening? This is a pisstake, surely.....?????????

Cops do get tickets. I even got two in one morning. Go figure.

No this is a fact not a 'piss take'

I never said anywhere in my post that any emergency service should or shouldn't do anything!! Please read or interpret more carefully.

What I said is the application of the Law, should be applied equally. In your case, if you are holding Constabulary powers and received two infringements in one morning I'd have some serious questions about your judgement, or luck.

There is absolutely no reason for any emergency service regardless of the incident need to exceed the limit. Lights and sirens are to move traffic, not grant Carte Blanche access to press the peddle down as far as it will go. It has been proven time and time again Emergency Vehicles speeding cause more death, carnage and injuries in both rural and urban areas.

This knee jerk reaction to "O, its a life threatening incident" is absolutely bull shit, an an excuse to allow speeding.

I have had two heart attacks each requiring an Ambulance for each. The days of Heart Attack survival rates of 10% have gone, not because Ambulances speed but the equipment on board is able to sustain life better negating the requirement to met the 'golden hour'. I am eternally grateful they were there however had they crashed on the way to me I would have been fucked. That is a fact.

Patrick, I challenge you to list specifically what constitutes a valid reason for any unit, ambulance or appliance to speed and I will counter your argument. If its 'people will die', well shit happens people die every day that's a fact! However please entertain me.

[PrincessBandit]

Just as an aside, considering how many riders reckon they're so in tune with their bikes (the sound of them, the feel of them etc.) I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't really be thaaaaaat hard to cap the speed. Many long standing riders must have a pretty good feel for speed on their steed and the wrist adjustment required to keep the pace.

Although I can understand the protest over this seemingly nit-picky activity, I don't really believe that it should be that difficult to comply with (just for one weekend).

[GOONR]

I reckon that a certain plod in Hazard County will be loving this and will have put in for overtime this weekend. :shit:

[Muppet]

I reckon that a certain plod in Hazard County will be loving this and will have put in for overtime this weekend. :shit:

I'd doubt it, no one likes the job that much and police don't get paid overtime either.

[schrodingers cat]

Lots of them would have prevented by someone going slower and having more reaction and braking time.


Correct. The low skill level and lack of attention of most of our drivers means we need to ensure they do have sufficient time to compensate for their lack of ability etc etc and ensure there is less energy to dissapate should they come to a sudden stop.


I wish the NZ Police would cease the endless hammering on about fatalities.

The key indicator that needs attention is a reduction in ACCIDENTS.

Ideally H & S thinking requires a reduction in near misses but as they aren't reported then that is redundant. It fucks me off when during the holidays the way the media go on and on when a Bongo van full of peole get killed and the road toll 'soars'. Notwithstanding the personal tragedy - its one accident.

[Luckylegs]

...I spent so much time watching my speedo whilst out today I was paying about half the amount of time watching the road as what I usually would.


...And yes, i'm a professional driver too. Heaven help anyone that pulls in front of me at the last second...

Heaven help us all if your the quality of a 'professional' driver on our roads. For Christs sake it may not be much fun but its not that hard.

[Scuba_Steve]

Hmmmmmmm. So, go faster and have less crashes. Is that what you mean?

Thing is, I've spent 22 years in the job and have attended hundreds if not thousands of crashes. Lots of them would have prevented by someone going slower and having more reaction and braking time.

I'm not influenced by the propoganda, my views are formed from personal experience.

No I'm saying driving/riding to the conditions & watching the road as against an insignificant needle on an insignificant dial will result in less crashes.

[Genestho]

Correct. The low skill level and lack of attention of most of our drivers means we need to ensure they do have sufficient time to compensate for their lack of ability etc etc and ensure there is less energy to dissapate should they come to a sudden stop.


I wish the NZ Police would cease the endless hammering on about fatalities.

The key indicator that needs attention is a reduction in ACCIDENTS.

Ideally H & S thinking requires a reduction in near misses but as they aren't reported then that is redundant. It fucks me off when during the holidays the way the media go on and on when a Bongo van full of peole get killed and the road toll 'soars'. Notwithstanding the personal tragedy - its one accident.
The word accident should be replaced with crash, the word accident implys that there was nothing that could've been done to prevent it.

Sorry that the media inconveniance you with mention of multiple fatalities, I don't suppose it would be to create awareness of just how serious and unnessecary that 'Bongo' crash was, that it took multiple lives...would it?? Every death on the road contributes to the road toll stats, and social costs.

[FJRider]

The word accident should be replaced with crash, the word accident implys that there was nothing that could've been done to prevent it.



I thought an "accident" was something that you did, that was NOT intentional ....

[Berries]

A crash may not be intentional, but based on the moments leading up to it it is rarely unexpected or without cause. They went away from the word accident some time ago because crashes are rarely accidental, they often have a number of factors that mean in the end it was inevitable. And the word itself implies that it was something beyond the control of the driver/rider when, more often than not, it is the driver/rider who caused it through their actions.

[schrodingers cat]

Sorry that the media inconveniance you with mention of multiple fatalities, I don't suppose it would be to create awareness of just how serious and unnessecary that 'Bongo' crash was, that it took multiple lives...would it?? Every death on the road contributes to the road toll stats, and social costs.

Don't paint me heartless. My desire is that we would get quality journalism - not spin.
If it were a one off occurance I would agree with you totally. But sensationalism and hyperbole are the stock in trade of most mainstream hacks

[Katman]

I, too, think the word accident is a crock of shit.

Most 'accidents' are not accidents at all. They're the inevitable result of poor planning and execution.

[Genestho]

I thought an "accident" was something that you did, that was NOT intentional ....
From Wiki: An accident is a specific, unidentifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no apparent and deliberate cause but with marked effects. It implies a generally negative probabilistic outcome which may have been avoided or prevented had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and acted upon, prior to its occurrence.

Experts in the field of injury prevention avoid use of the term 'accident' to describe events that cause injury in an attempt to highlight the predictable and preventable nature of most injuries. Such incidents are viewed from the perspective of epidemiology (Epidemiology is the study of factors affecting the health and illness of populations, and serves as the foundation and logic of interventions made in the interest of public health and preventive medicine) - predictable and preventable.

In looking over data, reading hundreds of reports - some may not be intentional, but it doesn't mean they can't be prevented in most cases.

An NGO analyst and researcher mentioned to me last year over the phone, crashes in NZ were preventable 90% of the time, usually due to more than one contributing factor.

[FJRider]

Most 'accidents' are not accidents at all. They're the inevitable result of poor planning and execution.

... I read stupidity .... May not have "meant for it to happen" but the end result of the (their) actions ... only one outcome could result ...

[FJRider]

Although I can understand the protest over this seemingly nit-picky activity, I don't really believe that it should be that difficult to comply with (just for one weekend).

...... just ONE weekend ... ?????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[smoky]

I'm one of the above mentioned trained monkeys.

To answer your questions;

Police don't build roads .....Refer to .......

We don't fix potholes. Refer to........

We don't ......See your..... bla bla bla bla

No but Police can influence those decisions - they can stop banging on about speed kills and ignoring the other factors involved in accidents. No one applauds blind allegiance, especially when it supports a pathetic policy of suppressing freedoms and does very little to achieve the outcomes we all desire - safer roads


We do, however, hammer shitty cars with the laws that exist. We process as many drunks as we humanly can. Few things give us more satisfaction.

We turn up at work every day to be pilloried, scorned and abused by such as yourself, and continue to go out and do the job we are told and paid to do.

Unfortunately some of you have a very warped perception of why you get scorned and abused - perhaps if some of you used a thing called common sense when exercising your authority - perhaps if you were policing areas that need policing and had a strategy that actually made some sense, that targeted the problem instead of blindly going out and revenue gathering, sorry 'filling your Quoter' for the day - you wouldn't get such abuse and scorn

[smoky]

I'm one of your small minded pratts, and yes, I enjoy my job. I work with a great bunch, and do a job that contributes to society.

Most real Police I know don't actually get on with you pretend cops, traffic cops. Contributes to society? more like contributes to the government funds

[smoky]

Fool... you haven't the truth about speeding from a cop, all you have is a cops satirical observation on what he thinks would be a more succesful message to give to an ignorant public

Cops are more ignorant than most the public I know

I guess it's because you attend accidents, see fatal accidents, on a regular occasion - and you're told often enough that it was caused by excessive speed - that common sense has been replaced with an ignorant blind crusade

I bet none of you blue knobs have ever actually tried to think about the other contributing factors, and go on a crusade to improve our roads. Nah just follow the rest of your unbalanced blue mates and rant on about speed

scrappy main roads (including 90% of state highway 1) are pathetic, trucks, camper vans, elderly ramblers, youth, motorbikes, businessmen, old cars, new cars; all sharing mainly single lanes with oncoming traffic - even trying to sit at 100klm/hr can be impossible with out having to over take some nana doing 70 or 80 - is there any wonder we have so may accidents here!
Two things would fix it
1) better roads and more dual carriage ways
2) if the police made it illegal to go any where (logical extension to current police policy)

[firefighter]

Heaven help us all if your the quality of a 'professional' driver on our roads. For Christs sake it may not be much fun but its not that hard.

it's not to be taken as completely literal moron.

[MarkH]

How about breath alcohol testing? Very few of us carry a device that informs you if you're near the 401 limit, and on top of that there is no tolerence. I don't see anyone complaining about that, yet the chances of you knowing where you are at on the scale are virtually impossible.

I am happy to ride at 0mcg of alcohol per 100mg of blood (I think I got those units right) or 50 or maybe 100, I don't think I've ever ridden with it higher than that, certainly never at half the alcohol limit. On the other hand I wouldn't want to ride down to visit my mother at 0kph or 20kph or even 40kph - it would take hours to get there (6 1/2 hours at 20kph) and I would probably fall asleep on the way.


HAHA the irony http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3770036/Mayor-nicked-at-142kmh-loses-licence

[I]He sped up to a overtake a car he had been following at between 85 and 95kmh.

"I put the foot down to overtake, broke the rules and got caught," he said. The car he was passing had sped up to 105kmh during the passing manoeuvre, a fact noted by the ticketing officer, he said.

Am I the only one that thinks that the cop should have pulled over the driver of the car that was being passed? Surely speeding up while being overtaken is more dangerous than quickly passing someone?


It's a sad indictment that when out on the road I often find myself weighing up between legality and safety.

I usually decide in a very short amount of time to prioritise safety over obeying the law.

[MarkH]

in Victoria, the official tolerance level is 3kph and people are regularly hit at that! Aussie Highway Patrol people are even less tolerant that NZ ones!

I think you misspelled 'intelligent'.

[MarkH]

Surely it raises questions about the speed limit. If say 104 is "that bad" how much safer really is 100?

Obviously all speed limits should be dropped to 30kph.

30kph? Are you crazy? Anything over 20kph is just reckless! Walking pace would be much safer! Haven't you heard the police message? Speed Kills!

[MarkH]

Then service station workers would get the same abuse from ignorant customers as bottle store and supermarket workers when they refuse to sell booze to people who are pissed off their heads.

I'm sure they'd appreciate your suggestion.

'Service' station workers? Do you mean petrol station workers? With self service I don't see how they would stop people from filling their unWOFed & unreged cars with petrol.

[MarkH]

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/24091.html


Last Queen's Birthday Weekend 10 people lost their lives, and Easter's road toll this year stood at 12 - the highest toll in 18 years.

10 people last year on Queen's Birthday Weekend and 12 this year over Easter, and? Hmmm, no mention of how many were due to drivers going 105-110kph, and yet those drivers will now be targeted this weekend, why?

I notice that there is no mention of targeting the discourteous arseholes that speed up when being overtaken or when they come to a passing lane. I guess dangerous behaviour is fine as long as you don't exceed 4kph passed the speed limit.

[scumdog]

Most real Police I know don't actually get on with you pretend cops, traffic cops. Contributes to society? more like contributes to the government funds

Who caares?
Only sorry-arsed cheese-dick losers ever contribute to government fund, I don't!!

[miloking]

Am I the only one that thinks that the cop should have pulled over the driver of the car that was being passed? Surely speeding up while being overtaken is more dangerous than quickly passing someone?



I usually decide in a very short amount of time to prioritise safety over obeying the law.


No you are not the only one ..i thought the same, and if what the mayor is saying is truth...about the fucker speeding up to 105 when on passing lane, i would later find him and rip him a new one! People that speed up on passing lanes do my head in...when i see that iam definately in the "rage" mode

[miloking]

10 people last year on Queen's Birthday Weekend and 12 this year over Easter, and? Hmmm, no mention of how many were due to drivers going 105-110kph, and yet those drivers will now be targeted this weekend, why?

I notice that there is no mention of targeting the discourteous arseholes that speed up when being overtaken or when they come to a passing lane. I guess dangerous behaviour is fine as long as you don't exceed 4kph passed the speed limit.

Cannot agree more! Also what fucks me off the most is that dear Mr.Comish. telling NZ public that our "more advanced" brethren in Autraya have 5km/h discretion on top of speed limit so our 10km/h was too good for us...what the cuntface forgot to mention is that victoria has 110km/h on most open roads!!! So where is our fucking media or someone high up to question this blatant lie!!

[scumdog]

Cannot agree more! Also what fucks me off the most is that dear Mr.Comish. telling NZ public that oor "more advanced" brethren in Autraya have 5km/h discretion on top of speed limit so our 10km/h was too good for us...what the cuntface forgot toumention is that victoria has 110km/h on most open roads

WaaaWaaaWaa, cry me a river, who effin' cares??

(apart from you?)

[miloking]

WaaaWaaaWaa, cry me a river, who effin' cares??

(apart from you?)

Waawaa???? I fucking care that another rotten cop is lying on TV! And its the cop that should lie the least of you all fuckers!

And what are you doing on KB...shouldnt you be out with your fellow constables beating students while off duty or something???

[scumdog]

Waawaa???? I fucking care that another rotten cop is lying on TV! And its the cop that should lie the least of you all fuckers!

And what are you doing on KB...should you be out with your fellow constables beating students while off duty or something???

Ahem, after a few drinks I realised that coping with whining dorks is not one of my forte's, being paid to do so is one thing, doing it in my own time is quite another....

[miloking]

Ahem, after a few drinks I realised that coping with whining dorks is not one of my forte's, being paid to do so is one thing, doing it in my own time is quite another....

Well your buddies here took their job seriously : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3779584/Constables-guilty-of-assault

So now you are beating bikers for not using headlights????? Where the fuck are you hiring these nutters??? or is it a Dunedin thing?

[scumdog]

Well your buddies here took their job seriously : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3779584/Constables-guilty-of-assault

So now you are beating bikers for not using headlights????? Where the fuck are you hiring these nutters??? or is it a Dunedin thing?

Emm, just got them from the same mental group you came from...

You make it seem like a problem, what's the guts??

[miloking]

Emm, just got them from the same mental group you came from...

You make it seem like a problem, what's the guts??

Yeah but if I decide to beat you up, i will spend rest of my life in prison...If you do the same, you will get pat on a back from your mates and will have to buy round of beers, thats what the gut's are!

[scumdog]

Yeah but if I decide to beat you up, i will spend rest of my life in prison...If you do the same, you will get pat on a back from your mates and will have to buy round of beers, thats what the gut's are!

Ah well, I guess some are more lucky than others...perks of the job and all that...

[Toaster]

4km/h tolerance.... hmmmm, my bike is in mph, with tiny km/h figures that I can barely see when on the move.

It's a stickier situation than when sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun!

[Mudfart]

ahem your bike is fast enough not to have to stop.......

[T.W.R]

what the cuntface forgot to mention is that victoria has 110km/h on most open roads!!!

:nono: major multi lane highways

most general open roads are only 100km/h and then even a lot of them have been reduced to 80km/h and those that have been reduced to 80km/h mostly resemble the average New Zealand open road :yes:

[Kickaha]

Yeah but if I decide to beat you up, i will spend rest of my life in prison...If you do the same, you will get pat on a back from your mates and will have to buy round of beers, thats what the gut's are!

I'd probably buy him the beers myself if him giving you a beating would shut your incessant bleating up


:nono: major multi lane highways

most general open roads are only 100km/h and then even a lot of them have been reduced to 80km/h and those that have been reduced to 80km/h mostly resemble the average New Zealand open road :yes:

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant

[rastuscat]

Well your buddies here took their job seriously : http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3779584/Constables-guilty-of-assault

So now you are beating bikers for not using headlights????? Where the fuck are you hiring these nutters??? or is it a Dunedin thing?

Ironic. If it were the motorcyclist who had beaten the cop you would have a=said that the cop probably deserved it.

Great that they were convicted though, it proves that cops are held accountable, in spite of what you think and frequently spout.

[rastuscat]

Yeah but if I decide to beat you up, i will spend rest of my life in prison...If you do the same, you will get pat on a back from your mates and will have to buy round of beers, thats what the gut's are!

Yet another incorrect comment.

The courts frequently give lighter sentences to people who assault cops, as cops are supposed to tolerate a certain amount of rubbish.

Research Justice Dept records and you'll find it's true.

I've been assaulted three times in my 22 years, and at no stage has anyone ever gone to prison.

Having said that, you rarely worry about facts when composing your rants, so I expect no better of you.

So there.

[davereid]

My cuzzies a cop.
We were having a beer one night, and he said

"Dave, if you were driving along, and you saw me getting a beating would you stop and help ?"

I said "Nah, you'd probably recognise me and I would go to jail"

[bsasuper]

4 K's over ?, wont make any difference really, say if I get clocked at 140, might as well go faster

[miloking]

Ironic. If it were the motorcyclist who had beaten the cop you would have a=said that the cop probably deserved it.

Great that they were convicted though, it proves that cops are held accountable, in spite of what you think and frequently spout.

No actualy wouldnt, if cop got stop for speeding i dont think he deserves a beating for that... but i agree it is great they got convicted.

[Scuba_Steve]

So this 4km/h thing is supposedly some kinda response to Easters road toll being worst in 17yrs, Yet easters road toll was mostly caused by SLOW People!!! & other drivers getting so fed up they take stupid risks with their passing.
National police headquarters' Inspector John McClelland said many of the deaths had been preventable, making the situation all the more frustrating.
"I think there are people making bad decisions, particularly with overtaking - not allowing enough room to get past vehicles and things like that," he told Radio New Zealand.

Making this whole thing a pure money grab, if they really cared about road safety... Theres plenty of slow drivers out there to harass.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Making this whole thing a pure money grab, if they really cared about road safety... Theres plenty of slow drivers out there to harass.

Don't be silly. That would require a law change to increase fines for slow driving before it would be worthy of enforcement.

[Smifffy]

Maybe it's working - is the road toll still at 0? I haven't seen any news.

[Bikemad]

So this 4km/h thing is supposedly some kinda response to Easters road toll being worst in 17yrs, Yet easters road toll was mostly caused by SLOW People!!! & other drivers getting so fed up they take stupid risks with their passing.
National police headquarters' Inspector John McClelland said many of the deaths had been preventable, making the situation all the more frustrating.
"I think there are people making bad decisions, particularly with overtaking - not allowing enough room to get past vehicles and things like that," he told Radio New Zealand.

Making this whole thing a pure money grab, if they really cared about road safety... Theres plenty of slow drivers out there to harass.

if it was about safety surely the authorities here would adopt the Aussie Double demerit points long weekend system wouldnt they????????????????
i hear that works a treat

[Patrick]

I think we established yesterday that "safety" in this context is about being safe from being ticketed not from having a wreck. Do try and keep up.

I was answering a specific incorrect "claim..." Please try to keep up....

[Patrick]

Wow i think we are finaly getting somewhere, bravo!!!! Thats all that i wanted to hear from at least one cop...the TRUTH about speeding in this country!

Well... it is the truth. You choose to speed, so you choose to make the donation. Don't bitch about it. The speeder made the choice, and sometimes loses. No-one elses fault, really..... is it...???

[Patrick]

We are talking about two completely different "truths" here:

1) people dont give a fuck about other people but money! (i agree, and yes iam the prime example)
2) "Speed Kills" campaign isnt about safety but about money! (well this is not news but it seems some of you still dont get it)

Its all fucking only about money!

Noh.... it is about picking up the pieces too. Like the pieces of brain I had to pick up from the motorbike rider without a helmet who smeared himself all over one of our roads not too long ago. As well as not wearing a helmet, he was speeding. It did kill him! Honest!!!

[Patrick]

.... and the fines/Demerits are still the same for 120 or 130K over. So WTF???

Demerits for 20k over = 20 demerits. 30k over = 35 demerits. 35k and up to 50k over = 50 demerits.

[Patrick]

well if the rodney peeps can do a go slow protest holding up shitloads of queens birthday traffic (and not get issued tickets for going slow), then why cant we?

What? All three of them?

Hard to give tickets out when one is probably laughing their arse off......

[Smifffy]

What? All three of them?

Hard to give tickets out when one is probably laughing their arse off......

Then maybe you could try smiling more... ;)

[Patrick]

Why would you think that, i'm not the one ranting on about speeding tickets. all i said was that the police do more than just write out tickets.
You are the one getting you panties in a twist saying thats all they do.
I don't know what your problem is, whether it's just your east euro temper but get over it already, move on to something else, everyone else has.
If you are going to continue just remember that it will be a cop who will clean up your body on the road and a cop who will tell your family that you are dead. So yip I guess it is easier to write out a ticket to hopefully prevent people from killing themselves then cleaning up.

He does know that. He got a ticket for not indicating alane change and has been bitter ever since. He himself told us so in another thread..... Go figure....

[Patrick]

Trust me, iam over it....and so if i ever said ALL cops, it was likely out of anger and nothing more....

I think you did say "all..." but I could be wrong......

[HenryDorsetCase]

Noh.... it is about picking up the pieces too. Like the pieces of brain I had to pick up from the motorbike rider without a helmet who smeared himself all over one of our roads not too long ago. As well as not wearing a helmet, he was speeding. It did kill him! Honest!!!

Ah, no, that would have been the sudden stop.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3780052/Taupo-cop-sets-pace-on-speed

so now we know.

[Patrick]

Not going to dispute the Policy or its application!!!

However one rule for all.

If its good enough for Bob or Bobette to get a speeding ticket then Police who exceed the limit should be given the same.... Nothing, including Urgent Duty Driving exempts Police, Fire or Ambos to that rule.

Yet how many Emergency vehicles do you see exceeding the limit daily?

My rant over..


No this is a fact not a 'piss take'

I never said anywhere in my post that any emergency service should or shouldn't do anything!! Please read or interpret more carefully.

What I said is the application of the Law, should be applied equally. In your case, if you are holding Constabulary powers and received two infringements in one morning I'd have some serious questions about your judgement, or luck.

There is absolutely no reason for any emergency service regardless of the incident need to exceed the limit. Lights and sirens are to move traffic, not grant Carte Blanche access to press the peddle down as far as it will go. It has been proven time and time again Emergency Vehicles speeding cause more death, carnage and injuries in both rural and urban areas.

This knee jerk reaction to "O, its a life threatening incident" is absolutely bull shit, an an excuse to allow speeding.

I have had two heart attacks each requiring an Ambulance for each. The days of Heart Attack survival rates of 10% have gone, not because Ambulances speed but the equipment on board is able to sustain life better negating the requirement to met the 'golden hour'. I am eternally grateful they were there however had they crashed on the way to me I would have been fucked. That is a fact.

Patrick, I challenge you to list specifically what constitutes a valid reason for any unit, ambulance or appliance to speed and I will counter your argument. If its 'people will die', well shit happens people die every day that's a fact! However please entertain me.

"Nothing, including urgent driving exempts Police etc etc..." Gosh... dunno how I got that wrong. Still don't. Seemed rather claer to me.

As for the two tickets? Yep, a moment of carelessness on my part. 7.30 in the morning, off to get the kids some lunch, trying to kill myself twice for doing 55 and 56 on the return trip. Caught on the camera van near a school - which my kids go to and none are allowed there before 8.20am.... so my judgement was lacking. My bad.... although set up outside the perameters for school zones at those times, I could have argued it and got off on a "technicality", but hey, the limit was 50 and I was above that, so I paid..... My judgement was laking again!!! Dang......

Valid reason one - raced to a job, rape in progress, Albert Park toilets in Auckland. On arrival, the girl was being stabbed. He was so intent on hurting her, he didn't hear the sirens and sound of the rapidly approaching patrol cars. She lived. She was thankful we got there as fast as we did... real story.

Refute that......


Most real Police I know don't actually get on with you pretend cops, traffic cops. Contributes to society? more like contributes to the government funds

LOL - You must know some real crusties long overdue for retirement. The merger happened 18 years ago. They need to get over it. I did.


....I guess it's because you attend accidents, see fatal accidents, on a regular occasion - and you're told often enough that it was caused by excessive speed

Not "told" anything. It is patently clear when speed is involved. It aint rocket science. When a car is remarkably intact, speed aint involved. When it is spread over 150 metres of highway, then yeah.... spped is involved.

rant ....

I bet none of you blue knobs have ever actually tried to think about the other contributing factors, and go on a crusade to improve our roads. Nah just follow the rest of your unbalanced blue mates and rant on about speed

You've obviously NEVER seen a serious crash report......... Nor that TV show about the Serious Crash Unit....?????

Two things would fix it
1) better roads and more dual carriage ways
2) if the police made it illegal to go any where (logical extension to current police policy)

1 - you got a spare multi hundreds of billions of dollars floating around somewhere for this? Little old NZ sure doesn't.....
2 - "The sky is falling..." Chicken Little - Circa 1900's.....


Cannot agree more! Also what fucks me off the most is that dear Mr.Comish. telling NZ public that our "more advanced" brethren in Autraya have 5km/h discretion on top of speed limit so our 10km/h was too good for us...what the cuntface forgot to mention is that victoria has 110km/h on most open roads!!! So where is our fucking media or someone high up to question this blatant lie!!

Lied???? Where??? He said the 10k tolerance was too good. Auzzie toilerance is 5. Doesn't matter if their limit is 40, 50, 60, 90, 110, it is still 5k tolerance, end of story. What lie?


Ironic. If it were the motorcyclist who had beaten the cop you would have a=said that the cop probably deserved it.

Great that they were convicted though, it proves that cops are held accountable, in spite of what you think and frequently spout.

This can't be true. There was supposed to be a coverup. There was supposed to be a consipacy with the courts to get them off. They were never going to be convicted with the corrupt systems that are in place.... oh.... hang on.... where did I hear these claims from?


Maybe it's working - is the road toll still at 0? I haven't seen any news.

That will show them. This 5k tolerance thing will never work..... Oh.... hang on..... What??????


if it was about safety surely the authorities here would adopt the Aussie Double demerit points long weekend system wouldnt they????????????????
i hear that works a treat

And goes down like a cold cup of sick..... because they can't complain about revenue collecting then......


Then maybe you could try smiling more... ;)

Always smiling.... even on here.....

[Kickaha]

And goes down like a cold cup of sick..... because they can't complain about revenue collecting then......


Bet they'll still find something to whine about though

[flyingcrocodile46]

This can't be true. There was supposed to be a coverup. There was supposed to be a consipacy with the courts to get them off. They were never going to be convicted with the corrupt systems that are in place.... oh.... hang on.... where did I hear these claims from?


Your old boss Rint Clickhard perhaps? It worked ok for him.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was answering a specific incorrect "claim..." Please try to keep up....

Look, I would but I might have to exceed 104 to do so. Is that OK if I tell them you said it was?

[smoky]

Who caares?
Only sorry-arsed cheese-dick losers ever contribute to government fund, I don't!!

Being that you're a dick head neolithic plonker in a blue uniform your self - that doesn't surprise me.

When do you actually go to work dude - you're on here more than anyone I know, do you actually ride a bike anymore? or just pilot a keyboard

[flyingcrocodile46]

Being that you're a dick head neolithic plonker in a blue uniform your self - that doesn't surprise me.

When do you actually go to work dude - you're on here more than anyone I know, do you actually ride a bike anymore? or just pilot a keyboard

Ever since he glued knee sliders to his arse cheeks to reduce gravel rash while cornering, his bosses took him off bikes and decided he was perfect for PR duties. So he gets paid to troll biker websites and keep up the good image.

[Patrick]

Your old boss Rint Clickhard perhaps? It worked ok for him.

Wasn't my boss. Wasn't he found not guilty by a jury?


Look, I would but I might have to exceed 104 to do so. Is that OK if I tell them you said it was?

Absolutely. I am on commission, so go way faster than 104 please. Thanks.


Ever since he glued knee sliders to his arse cheeks to reduce gravel rash while cornering, his bosses took him off bikes and decided he was perfect for PR duties. So he gets paid to troll biker websites and keep up the good image.

Well someone had to keep up the good image of biker sites....... Good on ya Scummy!!!

[Chrislost]

Noh.... it is about picking up the pieces too. Like the pieces of brain I had to pick up from the motorbike rider without a helmet who smeared himself all over one of our roads not too long ago. As well as not wearing a helmet, he was speeding. It did kill him! Honest!!!

I highly doubt the speed made him crash, Unless he had been snorting it.
It was more likley the police officer chasing him to give him a $150 ticket for not wearing said helmet, that made him look in the mirror more than he should have been, that made him crash...

[scumdog]

Being that you're a dick head neolithic plonker in a blue uniform your self - that doesn't surprise me.

When do you actually go to work dude - you're on here more than anyone I know, do you actually ride a bike anymore? or just pilot a keyboard

Mwahahaha...:rofl::killingme:whistle:

[duckonin]

Maybe it's working - is the road toll still at 0? I haven't seen any news.

Plenty exceeding 120 up this way today Smifffy, cars that is...never saw a cop in 275k's...

[schrodingers cat]

I exceeded 104km/h briefly today and survived!
Excuse me while I write my best-seller, The man who didn't die yet.
I felt the fear and did it anyway

[Luckylegs]

it's not to be taken as completely literal moron.

No shit sherlock, and I gave you that concession on your dumbarse comment about hitting someone, but... you made a point of saying

Ca'nt say I agree. I spent so much time watching my speedo whilst out today I was paying about half the amount of time watching the road as what I usually would. Not being dramatic here, I really did find it frustrating at times, and a bit dangerous.
Its a bit of a stretch to expect anyone to know (or believe) this wasnt Literal...... MORON !

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hey Luckylegs! Is this you?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124431-I-feel-Pretty?p=1129774850#post1129774850

[Luckylegs]

Hey Luckylegs! Is this you?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124431-I-feel-Pretty?p=1129774850#post1129774850

WTF ???

Thanks, just wasted 30 seconds of my life following your link... I guess I should have known better huh ?



Ho hum

[firefighter]

No shit sherlock, and I gave you that concession on your dumbarse comment about hitting someone, but... you made a point of saying

Its a bit of a stretch to expect anyone to know (or believe) this wasnt Literal...... MORON !

Fuck your mother you little piss ant faggot

[skinman]

lucky for me weather will be shit this weekend so no temptation to go anywhere, although I have to say not much chance of doing more than 100 on my bike anyway.

[miloking]

WTF ???

Thanks, just wasted 30 seconds of my life following your link... I guess I should have known better huh ?



Ho hum

LOL you need to get faster internetz then...

[MaxB]

Where we are heading reminds me of what was happening in other countries.

It goes something like this. The Govt. says they get tough on speedsters so they reduce the tolerance from 25km/h down to 16. The cops are ordered to enforce this. The people generally support the move because there is hardly anyone getting a ticket.

The trouble is the morons in charge keep reducing the tolerance ever downwards until a large number of motorists are getting tickets just over the limit. Most of these motorists will never have a serious accident and are generally law abiding. What this does is put a large section of the public offside with the police. Then their job gets a lot harder in other areas 'cos cooperation goes out of the window.

Our roads would be a lot safer if the cops punisded crosssing the centre line, running reds, and sudden lane changes as much as they do speeding

[MarkH]

The trouble is the morons in charge keep reducing the tolerance ever downwards until a large number of motorists are getting tickets just over the limit. Most of these motorists will never have a serious accident and are generally law abiding. What this does is put a large section of the public offside with the police. Then their job gets a lot harder in other areas 'cos cooperation goes out of the window.

The problem with a really small tolerance like 5kph or less is that cars are driven by humans, which are analogue devices rather than precision digital devices - you just can't ride/drive to the exact kph you try to. So the cops sit on the bottom of a hill and try to 'catch someone out' when their speed creeps up a few kph. Then they rub salt into the wounds of the pissed off motorists by putting ads on TV going on about speed being dangerous and it's all about safety.

Travelling at 120kph is NOT inherently dangerous and if it weren't for the law and the possibility of getting caught I would travel 120 most of the time on the open road. Sure you are going to be worse off if you crash at 120 than if you crash at 100, but then by the same token you are worse off if you crash at 100 than at 80, or 80 rather than 60 or . . . I may be safer at 20kph, but I am happier at 120kph and I'll get to my destination in a reasonable time.

[yachtie10]

Demerits for 20k over = 20 demerits. 30k over = 35 demerits. 35k and up to 50k over = 50 demerits.

really?
the notice I recieved last month says " Speeding offences incur 35 demerit points " no graduation mentioned
and it was for 20km/h over the limit

[Sentox]

really?
the notice I recieved last month says " Speeding offences incur 35 demerit points " no graduation mentioned
and it was for 20km/h over the limit

http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/items/15327

[duckonin]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationalcrime/3780052 (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3780052) buggar hope this works, 'Fane Troy' a cop in Taupo has been doing the 5k limit in the area since Feb..

[scumdog]

really?
the notice I recieved last month says " Speeding offences incur 35 demerit points " no graduation mentioned
and it was for 20km/h over the limit

Why would they mention 'graduation method' when it doesn't affect your particular cases???

(If you had got a 'proper' ticket you would have seen the graduated increase in demerits on it.)

[rustic101]

Valid reason one - raced to a job, rape in progress, Albert Park toilets in Auckland. On arrival, the girl was being stabbed. He was so intent on hurting her, he didn't hear the sirens and sound of the rapidly approaching patrol cars. She lived. She was thankful we got there as fast as we did... real story.

Refute that.......

Patrick, I am not going to refute what you said happened! However counter (as I said) your argument for speeding.

What you have provided is an excuse not a justifiable rational reason to exceed the limit.

Now call me callous, call me what you what. However; like most excuses you have failed to mention other factors that would determine the outcome of the incident, like:


Time delay in the informant contacting Police,
Location of the informant in relation to the incident, (what could the informant see or hear)
Credibility and content of informants information (until your arrival it may have just been a Dommy being misinterpreted),
Time of day (relevant to both foot and vehicle traffic),
Were you acting alone or being directed to an SFP, (speeding only to wait)
Your location in relation to the incident (did you come from Fort, or Cook St, were you already patrolling/ attending a job if so where?),
Other attending Units location in relation to the incident,
Other units not logged on but in close proximity,




I could ask many more questions. In the cold light of day these would just reinforce that you had no justifiable reason to speed and that your speed would not have changed the outcome. Again call me callous, but you could not have prevent either the Rape or the Stabbing, as for her living? That again raises more questions; what was the weapon, where were the entry wounds etc.

Had she died it would have just been handed over to CIB as another Homicide.

Finally you stated 'She was thankful we got there as fast as we did...'. She would however not have been thankful if you did not get there at all due to crashing as result of your speeding.

I could list the number of alleged offenders that have successfully decamped and evaded due to Police crashes or the number of victims that have had a delayed attendance due to the same.

[smoky]

The problem with a really small tolerance like 5kph or less is that cars are driven by humans, which are analogue devices rather than precision digital devices - you just can't ride/drive to the exact kph you try to. So the cops sit on the bottom of a hill and try to 'catch someone out' when their speed creeps up a few kph. Then they rub salt into the wounds of the pissed off motorists by putting ads on TV going on about speed being dangerous and it's all about safety.

Travelling at 120kph is NOT inherently dangerous and if it weren't for the law and the possibility of getting caught I would travel 120 most of the time on the open road. Sure you are going to be worse off if you crash at 120 than if you crash at 100, but then by the same token you are worse off if you crash at 100 than at 80, or 80 rather than 60 or . . . I may be safer at 20kph, but I am happier at 120kph and I'll get to my destination in a reasonable time.

And the Police are there to serve who? - the public or the government? don't we pay them, don't they swear to protect and serve the public, aren't they as PUBLIC SERVANTS bound by the State Sector Act 1988 to "be imbued with the spirit of service to the community". Well no actually the Government now classifies them as outside the Act in order for them to now serve the Governments interest not the publics interest - they are not the Police we grew up with, the Police the NZ public want, they are there to impose government rule

There is something very wrong with any government that want's that kind of control

[duckonin]

And the Police are there to serve who? - the public or the government? don't we pay them, don't they swear to protect and serve the public, aren't they as PUBLIC SERVANTS bound by the State Sector Act 1988 to "be imbued with the spirit of service to the community". Well no actually the Government now classifies them as outside the Act in order for them to now serve the Governments interest not the publics interest - they are not the Police we grew up with, the Police the NZ public want, they are there to impose government rule

There is something very wrong with any government that want's that kind of control
This statement is so true...

[caseye]

And the Police are there to serve who? - the public or the government? don't we pay them, don't they swear to protect and serve the public, aren't they as PUBLIC SERVANTS bound by the State Sector Act 1988 to "be imbued with the spirit of service to the community". Well no actually the Government now classifies them as outside the Act in order for them to now serve the Governments interest not the publics interest - they are not the Police we grew up with, the Police the NZ public want, they are there to impose government rule

There is something very wrong with any government that want's that kind of control
SHIT! man that is right on the Nail.Pefectly true too, Helen did that, made em hers not ours, Bitch!

[caseye]

Patrick, I am not going to refute what you said happened! However counter (as I said) your argument for speeding.

What you have provided is an excuse not a justifiable rational reason to exceed the limit.

Now call me callous, call me what you what. However; like most excuses you have failed to mention other factors that would determine the outcome of the incident, like:




Time delay in the informant contacting Police,
Location of the informant in relation to the incident, (what could the informant see or hear)
Credibility and content of informants information (until your arrival it may have just been a Dommy being misinterpreted),
Time of day (relevant to both foot and vehicle traffic),
Were you acting alone or being directed to an SFP, (speeding only to wait)
Your location in relation to the incident (did you come from Fort, or Cook St, were you already patrolling/ attending a job if so where?),
Other attending Units location in relation to the incident,
Other units not logged on but in close proximity,




I could ask many more questions. In the cold light of day these would just reinforce that you had no justifiable reason to speed and that your speed would not have changed the outcome. Again call me callous, but you could not have prevent either the Rape or the Stabbing, as for her living? That again raises more questions; what was the weapon, where were the entry wounds etc.

Had she died it would have just been handed over to CIB as another Homicide.

Finally you stated 'She was thankful we got there as fast as we did...'. She would however not have been thankful if you did not get there at all due to crashing as result of your speeding.

I could list the number of alleged offenders that have successfully decamped and evaded due to Police crashes or the number of victims that have had a delayed attendance due to the same.

Who are you trying to kid???.Anyone here want to help this poster out?
If the young lady in question was your daughter, wife, girlfriend would you be happy if the attending POlice obeyed the speed limit and got there after the event.
There is a time and a Place, this is definitely one of them.
Yes some offenders have got away with their henious crimes, but many more of them have been apprehended and put away by diligent Police doing thier jobs and taking the risk of crashing and being prosecuted if they do so and are proved to be in the wrong.
Here we go again, give the crims everything they ask for.
It's not worth your life.
I've seen footage( another thing that our kids should not be exposed to, news media BS) of an offender taking everything he wanted, getting his victims to do his bidding and then shooting them dead! On our (thats here in New Zealand) Televisions.Did being a lie down, I give up, whimp as prescribed by our own Police experts????, help that poor bastard?
If criminals are given carte blanche to do as they pleasae, they will.
We will be raped, mugged and killed in ever increasing numbers in direct proportion to our gutlessness,weak willedness(hey a new word) as prescribed by so called experts who preach the "give it too them it's safer" approach in fact should be saying,FIGHT BACK, with everything you've got, make the barstards work for their criminally gotten gains.
The message should be, come on crim , try it here, we will deal to you and our law will put you away for good.
Ha some chance of that here in NZ with so many weak willed ninnies about.

[Max Preload]

I am happy to ride at 0mcg of alcohol per 100mg of blood (I think I got those units right)80mg/100mL is the adult blood alcohol limit.

[yachtie10]

Why would they mention 'graduation method' when it doesn't affect your particular cases???

(If you had got a 'proper' ticket you would have seen the graduated increase in demerits on it.)

why wouldnt graduation affect my case?
why isnt it a proper ticket? I was handed it by a man in a blue uniform on the side of the road was he not a propoer policeman
BTW I am happy if the demerits are lower, but that is not what I have been advised in writing

[rustic101]

Who are you trying to kid???.
If the young lady in question was your daughter, wife, girlfriend would you be happy if the attending POlice obeyed the speed limit and got there after the event.
There is a time and a Place, this is definitely one of them.
Yes some offenders have got away with their henious crimes, but many more of them have been apprehended and put away by diligent Police doing thier jobs and taking the risk of crashing and being prosecuted if they do so and are proved to be in the wrong.
Here we go again, give the crims everything they ask for.
It's not worth your life.
I've seen footage( another thing that our kids should not be exposed to, news media BS) of an offender taking everything he wanted, getting his victims to do his bidding and then shooting them dead! On our (thats here in New Zealand) Televisions.Did being a lie down, I give up, whimp as prescribed by our own Police experts????, help that poor bastard?
If criminals are given carte blanche to do as they pleasae, they will.
We will be raped, mugged and killed in ever increasing numbers in direct proportion to our gutlessness,weak willedness(hey a new word) as prescribed by so called experts who preach the "give it too them it's safer" approach in fact should be saying,FIGHT BACK, with everything you've got, make the barstards work for their criminally gotten gains.

Stop and take a breath Caseye!

Your alarmist approach is a typical knee jerk reaction which is based off hysteria and fear rather than fact. Most of reply needs to address the Justice system not the Enforcement system.

People die, are raped and hurt everyday. If it was my Mother, wife, daughter, sister or brother that is totally irrelevant. Speeding to get to them will not prevent them from being raped, beaten or hurt.

Not speeding to an incident does not make a unit or Police gutless or weak. Fact a Unit speeding to an incident creates more of a risk to the innocent than harm to the victim.

Conversely you need to address why a Unit may be engaged in a Pursuit. If the pursuit is the result of, 'fails to Give Way' or 'I suspect...x, y, z' the Offence out-ways the reason for the risk. There are always better ways to catch a bad guy other than sitting on their tail and chasing them.

To counter your argument about giving alleged criminals carte blanch access to keep repeating Offences, lies with the sentencing laws not the Enforcement laws . Police Unit speeding to stop something already happening is a far higher risk if it does not get there!!

Most serious incidents are not about (cuse the pun) 'charging in guns blazing', its about assessment of the risks and tactical options. If you charge into a situation without due consideration you then become a victim.

Shit, if it was up to me I would have shot Burton, Bell, Hotene to name a few in the head, saving NZ thousands of dollars and repeat offences. However that does not make anyone brave.

Speeding to an incident is not going to prevent a Beating, Rape or Homicide.

[red mermaid]

If you read the whole ticket, about 2 thirds of the way down (below the line of the speed you were doing, I think) you will see a series of boxes that detail how many demerits you get for the speed you were doing over the limit.







i

[Max Preload]

Speeding to an incident is not going to prevent a Beating, Rape or Homicide.But it may reduce harm to others, catch the assailant and help preserve evidence.


why wouldnt graduation affect my case?
why isnt it a proper ticket? I was handed it by a man in a blue uniform on the side of the road was he not a propoer policeman
BTW I am happy if the demerits are lower, but that is not what I have been advised in writing

It would, so you write back and point out they are wrong. Provided speeding was the only offence on that occassion. See Part 2 (http://tinyurl.com/28dyw39)

[rustic101]

But it may reduce harm to others, catch the assailant and help preserve evidence.

The magic word 'May', and I note your point.

However, speeding to an event increases the serious risk to innocent people or property, in fact even the attending unit. What the public see [in the media] is nothing compared to the actual number of crashes or harm to innocent by standers caused by Police and other Emergency Services on route to an incident.

[caseye]

OK I've taken that breath.
"Speeding to get to them will not prevent them from being raped, beaten or hurt"
In this case, It Did prevent a probable death.
While the use of a speeding car to get there in time to do this is not something that should be done, it is necessary if we want that girl to live anything like a normal life ever again.
I don't disagree with your call about where we as citizens should be directing our anger and yes I am bloody angry.
We are told, give them what they want.
Nowadays that just means they get that and an extra kick when they shoot us, for the sport.
I did not say that Police who risk THEIR life and yes those of others in their quest to save anothers, (still following me here? lol I almost didn't) were weak, I said we are weak and forever giving in to experts who spout drivel about what to do in a situation where you are being robbed, beaten, assaulted.
Our own Police are spouting the experts opinions, Lock your front door in broad daylight in your own home IN CASE a neanderthol comes looking to rob or kill you.
Where do we live again?

[Ixion]

If we argue as we do ( well as I do anyway) that police should use their discretion to determine when speeding is safe , surely we must extend the same grace to them, to allow them to use their discretion to judge when speeding in the course of duty is safe or at least justified by the circumstances ?

[Max Preload]

The magic word 'May', and I note your point.

If they don't speed it certainly won't improve the chances of those things being achieved.

[caseye]

If we argue as we do ( well as I do anyway) that police should use their discretion to determine when speeding is safe , surely we must extend the same grace to them, to allow them to use their discretion to judge when speeding in the course of duty is safe or at least justified by the circumstances ?

Ixion the judgement call made by a Police officer is just that, if they then have an accident through their own actions, they are treated exactly the same as any other motorist.
While some here would disagree that this is the case, it is.
It gets worse, because if they do have an accident they are charged, they go to court, they are found guilty or not guilty and then they are further dealt with by the Police.
In those cases where its a guilty conviction, often, they lose their lifes ambition/career too boot.

[rustic101]

OK I've taken that breath.
"Speeding to get to them will not prevent them from being raped, beaten or hurt"
In this case, It Did prevent a probable death.
While the use of a speeding car to get there in time to do this is not something that should be done, it is necessary if we want that girl to live anything like a normal life ever again.
I don't disagree with your call about where we as citizens should be directing our anger and yes I am bloody angry.
We are told, give them what they want.
Nowadays that just means they get that and an extra kick when they shoot us, for the sport.
I did not say that Police who risk THEIR life and yes those of others in their quest to save anothers, (still following me here? lol I almost didn't) were weak, I said we are weak and forever giving in to experts who spout drivel about what to do in a situation where you are being robbed, beaten, assaulted.
Our own Police are spouting the experts opinions, Lock your front door in broad daylight in your own home IN CASE a neanderthol comes looking to rob or kill you.
Where do we live again?

On the corner of Victoria and Harris streets most days or nights

[bsasuper]

often, they lose their lifes ambition/career too boot.

Poor buggers, welcome to the real world

[scumdog]

Poor buggers, welcome to the real world

You mean you too would have to step away from your chosen career forever if you crashed or got done for drink-driving?????????:blink:

[caseye]

On the corner of Victoria and Harris streets most days or nights

LOL, gotcha. Nice.

[caseye]

You mean you too would have to step away from your chosen career forever if you crashed or got done for drink-driving?????????:blink:

Ya beat me too it!

[Luckylegs]

Fuck your mother you little piss ant faggot

Wipe your chin !

[flyingcrocodile46]

You mean you too would have to step away from your chosen career forever if you crashed or got done for drink-driving?????????:blink:

Special goods truck drivers, bus drivers (taxi, Ambulance, Helicopter?) Bound to be others

[HenryDorsetCase]

If we argue as we do ( well as I do anyway) that police should use their discretion to determine when speeding is safe , surely we must extend the same grace to them, to allow them to use their discretion to judge when speeding in the course of duty is safe or at least justified by the circumstances ?

when did logic ever apply?

[Fluffy Cat]

I notice in our great media today that the powers that be are spouting of the success of the Zero Tolerance weekend. This in effect means that ZT is in. How objective they are....must have been one of the wettest weekends for years with droves of drivers staying home and driving to the conditions.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this was just a front....A bit like Hitlers invasion of Poland......Tell a big enough lie.......:blink:

[PrincessBandit]

According to the almighty stuff website news thingybob - "it's too early to say whether we will introduce it permanently, says Paula Rose"...."police had assured the AA that they were not targeting the end of overtaking lanes, and they were also targeting slow drivers who hold others up". They also said it would be some time before the total tally of tickets (good alliteration there) would be known from this weekend but at this stage it was significantly less than they'd expected.

[AD345]

You mean you too would have to step away from your chosen career forever if you crashed or got done for drink-driving?????????:blink:

Like Air New Zealand you mean?

[scumdog]

Like Air New Zealand you mean?

Ya trying to say flying crocodile 64 flies for Air New Zealand???:blink:

[smoky]

Imagine if airplanes had speed limits - it'd be fun pulling one of those over to give the driver a ticket

[scumdog]

Imagine if airplanes had speed limits - it'd be fun pulling one of those over to give the driver a ticket

"I have to tell you sir that this area where there are sky repairs going on has a temporary speed limit of 30kph"

[Howie]

really?
the notice I recieved last month says " Speeding offences incur 35 demerit points " no graduation mentioned
and it was for 20km/h over the limit


http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/items/15327

Over Here ( http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-your-responsibilities/stepping-over-the-line.html) is a full list of the demerit points you can get for quite a few common offences. Study the road code, then you won't get any nasty surprises if you break the rules and get caught.

[Sentox]

Over Here ( http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-your-responsibilities/stepping-over-the-line.html) is a full list of the demerit points you can get for quite a few common offences. Study the road code, then you won't get any nasty surprises if you break the rules and get caught.

I would really love it if the police would stop handing out tickets primarily to speeders and concentrate on some of those other offences listed.

[Sentox]

Double post.

[Scuba_Steve]

Does anyone else find it somewhat offensive that the police are telling us how to drive, yet they tend to have some of the worst drivers in their own gang?.
Hell you need look no further then the vehicles they drive to see they're not good drivers, As the fairly common saying in car enthusiast groups goes, "Those who drive Holdens, Can't!"

[Jantar]

Imagine if airplanes had speed limits - it'd be fun pulling one of those over to give the driver a ticket
They do. The speed limit is 250 kt below 10000' unless it is safer to maintain a higher speed. See, air law has this nice wee bit of pilot discretion which traffic law doesn't.

[Sentox]

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[scumdog]

Nothing like getting punted into oncoming traffic eh!

[Sentox]

Nothing like getting punted into oncoming traffic eh!

Yeah, I know that crash had nothing to do with speed. Well, at least not the officer's speed. More relevant to the Jeep Cherokee perhaps :laugh:

Unfortunately, google was greatly reluctant to yield up police car crash photos. A mate of mine has this brilliant poster of a frame by frame crash with a cop car spearing off into a ditch. Doesn't seem to exist on the internet though.

[Max Preload]

A mate of mine has this brilliant poster of a frame by frame crash with a cop car spearing off into a ditch. Doesn't seem to exist on the internet though.

Targa Rally - now known as "cops corner", Manawatu. It was around '06-'07 IIRC. That may help in your search. I've seen the result on a calendar and I've seen the sequence somewhere.

[FJRider]

Targa Rally - now known as "cops corner", Manawatu. It was around '06-'07 IIRC. That may help in your search. I've seen the result on a calendar and I've seen the sequence somewhere.

That was the one ... it was a closed road and was checking the road was clear ahead of the rally cars ... with flashing lights etc.

The rally cars had the benefit of a co-driver with pace notes .... the cop relied on memory ....

[red mermaid]

No, they serve their time and can then go back.

With Police in NZ if they kick you out, its forever.


Special goods truck drivers, bus drivers (taxi, Ambulance, Helicopter?) Bound to be others

[scumdog]

No, they serve their time and can then go back.

With Police in NZ if they kick you out, its forever.

Aw, ya meanie, there was bound to have been some good trolling could have been had from that 'fact' ya jst shot down...

[Ocean1]

Over Here ( http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-your-responsibilities/stepping-over-the-line.html) is a full list of the demerit points you can get for quite a few common offences. Study the road code, then you won't get any nasty surprises if you break the rules and get caught.

Well this is a bit of a surprise: Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road: 35 points

I've heard officialdom refering to them as "no passing" lines before, but I've also understood that they were, in fact "no crossing" lines.

Anyone care to clarify?

[red mermaid]

Playing with words....are you a lawyer?



Well this is a bit of a surprise: Passing or attempting to pass where no-passing lines are marked on the road: 35 points

I've heard officialdom refering to them as "no passing" lines before, but I've also understood that they were, in fact "no crossing" lines.

Anyone care to clarify?

[Ocean1]

Playing with words....are you a lawyer?

Less syllables, perhaps...

Is one allowed to pass another vehicle on a road with yellow lines if one doesn’t cross the line?

[Patrick]

I highly doubt the speed made him crash, Unless he had been snorting it.
It was more likley the police officer chasing him to give him a $150 ticket for not wearing said helmet, that made him look in the mirror more than he should have been, that made him crash...

Yeah.... right.... I forgot you were there.....

He saw the passing cop car, knew he had been regognised (because of the no helmet thing....) and was gone. 1 litre sports bike, disqualified, liked initiating a pursuit but he was gone before the thought entered the cops head. Too fast for the corner about 3ks away, at least we got to see what was going through his head...................


really?
the notice I recieved last month says " Speeding offences incur 35 demerit points " no graduation mentioned
and it was for 20km/h over the limit

Must use different snake books up them ways.....


Patrick, I am not going to refute what you said happened! However counter (as I said) your argument for speeding.

What you have provided is an excuse not a justifiable rational reason to exceed the limit.

You really are shitting me.......... Ths was an excuse and NOT a justifiable reason????????????????????????? WTF?????????

Now call me callous, call me what you what. However; like most excuses you have failed to mention other factors that would determine the outcome of the incident, like:


Time delay in the informant contacting Police, (The caller was watching what was happening but was too scared to step in himself.... just as well..... he too would have been stabbed wiothout a doubt..... It was "hot off the press..."
Location of the informant in relation to the incident, (what could the informant see or hear) (See above.......
Credibility and content of informants information (until your arrival it may have just been a Dommy being misinterpreted), The screams in the background were plainly clear that tis was not a dommie. Even if it was a dommie, it was a serious one.....
Time of day (relevant to both foot and vehicle traffic),Auckland Central City - Albert Park. Doesn't matter. It is always busy.....
Were you acting alone or being directed to an SFP, (speeding only to wait) Nope - get in there - NOW!!
Your location in relation to the incident (did you come from Fort, or Cook St, were you already patrolling/ attending a job if so where?), Responded from Grey lynn - 10k journey?
Other attending Units location in relation to the incident,One was closer. Just one.
Other units not logged on but in close proximity,None




I could ask many more questions. In the cold light of day these would just reinforce that you had no justifiable reason to speed and that your speed would not have changed the outcome.

You could - and I could answer... but what is the point. I know she was dead if I didn't get there as soon as I did..... So does she. So does the witness. So do the other cops who arrived. So did the ambos. So did the Hosptial staff. So did her family. But hey - you know better.......

Again call me callous, but you could not have prevent either the Rape or the Stabbing, as for her living? That again raises more questions; what was the weapon, where were the entry wounds etc.

Upper torso, front and rear, and neck. Multiple entry wounds. Knives don't run out of ammo.....

Had she died it would have just been handed over to CIB as another Homicide.

Yeah. That w ould have been a good result.....????

Finally you stated 'She was thankful we got there as fast as we did...'. She would however not have been thankful if you did not get there at all due to crashing as result of your speeding.

Spoken for truth - which is why I don't crash....

I could list the number of alleged offenders that have successfully decamped and evaded due to Police crashes or the number of victims that have had a delayed attendance due to the same.

Go on then. Bet you can't.


Who are you trying to kid???.Anyone here want to help this poster out?
If the young lady in question was your daughter, wife, girlfriend would you be happy if the attending POlice obeyed the speed limit and got there after the event.
There is a time and a Place, this is definitely one of them.
Yes some offenders have got away with their henious crimes, but many more of them have been apprehended and put away by diligent Police doing thier jobs and taking the risk of crashing and being prosecuted if they do so and are proved to be in the wrong.
Here we go again, give the crims everything they ask for.
It's not worth your life.
I've seen footage( another thing that our kids should not be exposed to, news media BS) of an offender taking everything he wanted, getting his victims to do his bidding and then shooting them dead! On our (thats here in New Zealand) Televisions.Did being a lie down, I give up, whimp as prescribed by our own Police experts????, help that poor bastard?
If criminals are given carte blanche to do as they pleasae, they will.
We will be raped, mugged and killed in ever increasing numbers in direct proportion to our gutlessness,weak willedness(hey a new word) as prescribed by so called experts who preach the "give it too them it's safer" approach in fact should be saying,FIGHT BACK, with everything you've got, make the barstards work for their criminally gotten gains.
The message should be, come on crim , try it here, we will deal to you and our law will put you away for good.
Ha some chance of that here in NZ with so many weak willed ninnies about.

I tried - but alas.... it is probably a waste of time....


Stop and take a breath Caseye!

Your alarmist approach is a typical knee jerk reaction which is based off hysteria and fear rather than fact.

Nope - the facts are there, for all to see.

Most of reply needs to address the Justice system not the Enforcement system.

People die, are raped and hurt everyday. If it was my Mother, wife, daughter, sister or brother that is totally irrelevant. Speeding to get to them will not prevent them from being raped, beaten or hurt.

It stopped her from being killed and raped. It didn;t stop the secual assault with intent to rape or the stabbing, but it did stop more of it at least.

Not speeding to an incident does not make a unit or Police gutless or weak. Fact a Unit speeding to an incident creates more of a risk to the innocent than harm to the victim.

Conversely you need to address why a Unit may be engaged in a Pursuit. If the pursuit is the result of, 'fails to Give Way' or 'I suspect...x, y, z' the Offence out-ways the reason for the risk. There are always better ways to catch a bad guy other than sitting on their tail and chasing them.

To counter your argument about giving alleged criminals carte blanch access to keep repeating Offences, lies with the sentencing laws not the Enforcement laws . Police Unit speeding to stop something already happening is a far higher risk if it does not get there!!

Most serious incidents are not about (cuse the pun) 'charging in guns blazing', its about assessment of the risks and tactical options. If you charge into a situation without due consideration you then become a victim.

There weren't too many other options. Sit back and wait? Nope. Get into it? That might work - and it did.

Shit, if it was up to me I would have shot Burton, Bell, Hotene to name a few in the head, saving NZ thousands of dollars and repeat offences. However that does not make anyone brave.

But it does make a hell of a lot of sense though......

Speeding to an incident is not going to prevent a Beating, Rape or Homicide.

It did on this occasion... well, two out of three then......


The magic word 'May', and I note your point.

However, speeding to an event increases the serious risk to innocent people or property, in fact even the attending unit. What the public see [in the media] is nothing compared to the actual number of crashes or harm to innocent by standers caused by Police and other Emergency Services on route to an incident.

Which shows that one can't rely on the lights and sirens, because people don't see or hear them.

I recall seeing a post somewhere in here a couple of years ago (?) with a Hummer in Afghanistan racing to an urgent job, shunting vehicles out of the way... that worked well. I wonder if they can put some red and blues and a siren on top of them...?


Special goods truck drivers, bus drivers (taxi, Ambulance, Helicopter?) Bound to be others

Yeah, they lose the license for a moment, but get it back and are welcomed back with open arms - usually.....


According to the almighty stuff website news thingybob - "it's too early to say whether we will introduce it permanently, says Paula Rose"...."police had assured the AA that they were not targeting the end of overtaking lanes, and they were also targeting slow drivers who hold others up". They also said it would be some time before the total tally of tickets (good alliteration there) would be known from this weekend but at this stage it was significantly less than they'd expected.

LOL - told ya so....

I see there is one fatal out Tokomaru Bay area....

Dunno if speed was involved. I'm guessing it wasn't.....