Nelson blitz on bikers...

[skippa1]

Its my underestanding that the fatalities have all been in the twisty parts, I will probably get shot at, but I wager that the majority were on Harleys that dont like leaning or stopping too much. If the cops are going to pull over bikes for 15min every day, I am also wagering that they are going to carry out this activity on their normal days work, mainly based around the Mot, Mapua, Appleby, Richmond areas, which really targets the commuters.

Question? Are they going to station themselves on the Whangamoas, Spooners, StAlnaud, Tapawera, Takaka Hill with the intent of catching us scrubbing our tyres, or are the commuters going to be harassed as they try to get to and from work?

I dont think that commuters have caused the issue, and those of us that enjoy a blat on the twistys, are not going to lean any less because the popo are hiding in a bush.

[duckonin]

[QUOTE=skippa1;1129791965] I wager that the majority were on Harleys that dont like leaning or stopping too much.

So u are a Harley expert then are u? ridden a few? or just subjective prattle ?

[duckonin]

[QUOTE=Genie;1129791631...it meant that no drunk/hungover peeps were on the road with me.[/QUOTE]

Wrong Genie, it just means they had not been pullled over at that stage, they were still out there with u...Take care do not cross the center line...Very important...

[skippa1]

Haha.....funny reply, yes as a matter of fact I have ridden a few. I have also followed some through from Murch to Nelson(not far as they tend to rark down the straights and hurl anchors out on the bends).
You dont need to be a design expert to note that the low ground clearance, long wheel base, fork rake, differing wheel sizes add up to a bike that excels on long straight roads in comfort, but leaves a lot to be desired in terms of cornering ability. Add that to close to 300kgs dry weight, a single front and rear disc and you dont have a bike that is built to blast the Takaka hill.Youre really not going to ask me to believe that they are built for fast twisties are you? But hey.....the benefit of being an individual, is the ability of having an individual opinon, I have mine and have expressed it....you to.....aye.

[Willdat?]

I am waiting to see a post from anybody in the Nelson area that has been stopped by cops - more so if they've been stopped more than once.

And let us know how it felt to have their 'rights' breached - or how it felt to be targetted as a minority.

Most likely they would have more important things in their lives than worrying about that sort of stuff.:yes:

First pull over that I've heard of was this morning, 15 yo Student riding his scooter to school, warned about no L plate on scooter, but told to have a good day...I don't think that they're using it as an exucse to give out fines.

[onearmedbandit]

Its my underestanding that the fatalities have all been in the twisty parts, I will probably get shot at, but I wager that the majority were on Harleys that dont like leaning or stopping too much.
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And I'd wager (and remember I a sportsbike fanatic) that most Harley riders are aware of their machines capabilities, and more importantly their own. Whereas us sportsbike riders who like to blast the twisties are quite often racing ourselves off the road.

[Katman]

And I'd wager (and remember I a sportsbike fanatic) that most Harley riders are aware of their machines capabilities, and more importantly their own. Whereas us sportsbike riders who like to blast the twisties are quite often racing ourselves off the road.

I agree entirely with the second part but unfortunately I've seen too many Harley primary cases scrapped down to the point where they're millimetres away from spewing oil over the rear wheel to fully agree with the first part.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I agree entirely with the second part but unfortunately I've seen too many Harley primary cases scrapped down to the point where they're millimetres away from spewing oil over the rear wheel to fully agree with the first part.

Open belt drive, longer shocks and Frisco pegs!!!

[red mermaid]

Arhhhhhhhhhhh, no, the legend dies...where was the ticket for the revenue gathering, the infringement of the students rights, never mind the breach of his rights under CYF Act, and he was wished a good day as well!

Might as well pack up KB, there is nothing more to discuss!



First pull over that I've heard of was this morning, 15 yo Student riding his scooter to school, warned about no L plate on scooter, but told to have a good day...I don't think that they're using it as an exucse to give out fines.

[duckonin]

skippa1, even those in fast cars have to use their brakes at times, the road from Murc's to Nelson is a good road for a bike, yes you have the design factor right for most cruisers, in the 'right hands' they can still travel and corner within their limits quite well hence the reason they are purchased, not every motorcyclist wants a bike capable of 300kph that at speed most that own them have trouble staying on unless as you say about Harleys it is a straight line..

Back to the thread, the new's media always has the first say leading most persons into believing the wrong information and tend to highlight only what they want to make more new's out of, commonly called mileage....Hence "motorcyclist get the bash" this then leads the cops getting a 'bash' for doing their job, read between the lines stay within the law, yes the law is an ASS made by those who live in a world removed from actual reality

[Genie]

First pull over that I've heard of was this morning, 15 yo Student riding his scooter to school, warned about no L plate on scooter, but told to have a good day...I don't think that they're using it as an exucse to give out fines.

Oh I can't stop laughing about that one....hell so many scooter riders have been killed on the roads around Nelson...yes bust all those naughty school boys with no "L" plates. Police should be out floating around the back roads etc on a saturday and a Sunday...

As much as it is a tragedy to be killed on the road, when your number is up, it's up, and there's fuck all you can do about. Make the most of the time you have got, strive for happiness and contentment. Use your life wisely.

[Roadsafe Nelson]

I spoke with a fella today who is in a senior traffic management position in the Nelson Police .

Some comments were that the recent stats involved several people (but not all) who were either not licenced, or who were riding a machine that did not fit with their licence held.

The campaign does not start until 1st July.

The campaign runs for 100 days.. when another campaign will take over.. eg: young drivers.. after 100 days that will be taken over by another target focus group.. so this is not just a blitz against bikers. it will be ongoing. Their focus it to get dangerous vehicles/riders/drivers off the road.

That title was put on the campaign by the media, not the Police. They will not be preaching to motorcyclists.

This is not an exercise intended towards giving tickets.. however if a bike is pulled up & has not wof/rego/licence then people can likely expect a ticket.. just as they could on any other given day of the year! & in/on any vehicle.

Several Police here ride motorcycles themselves. They are aware that motorcyclists from out of town are also represented in the stats & that this is not quite the ideal time of year to hold this campaign, however it has to start somewhere.

The stops will be set up so that the same bikers commuting to & from work will not be stopped at the same time & same place etc every day.. rather they will be focusing on highways 6 & 60, which are 2 of our main hotspot areas.

I also met with Krista at TDC today, & again as I have already mentioned in previous posts, there are several things on the go in regards to raising the awareness of motorcyclists (to car drivers) , raising motorcyclists knowledge & skills, & a few other things. We are very focused on our riding community & their safety.

I have also been asked by a member of MNZ to take him through his bike licence process.. his journey will then be blogged on the ACC Ride Forever website!!

stay tuned :yes:

[red mermaid]

If it was Inspector Hugh Flower you met with, he is an old time MoT traffic man, very astute and clever.

He will run a very good campaign and get results.

All the best to you and all the team down there.

[skippa1]

And I'd wager (and remember I a sportsbike fanatic) that most Harley riders are aware of their machines capabilities, and more importantly their own. Whereas us sportsbike riders who like to blast the twisties are quite often racing ourselves off the road.

Good call.....cant disagree. We do push it harder and faster (the bike) ........I have seen some hideous moments when following Harleys into corners and they havent scrubbed off enough speed, in fact their skill level in retrieving themselves has been admirable. Me.......I like having 320mm discs, sticky high tech tyres and carefully engineered and track tested handling charactiristics so when I get it wrong, I have some chance....

[Roadsafe Nelson]

If it was Inspector Hugh Flower you met with, he is an old time MoT traffic man, very astute and clever.

He will run a very good campaign and get results.

All the best to you and all the team down there.

I met with another chap today, but I will meet with Hugh in a weeks time :yes:

Thanks for your support! :niceone:

[skippa1]

skippa1, even those in fast cars have to use their brakes at times, the road from Murc's to Nelson is a good road for a bike, yes you have the design factor right for most cruisers, in the 'right hands' they can still travel and corner within their limits quite well hence the reason they are purchased, not every motorcyclist wants a bike capable of 300kph that at speed most that own them have trouble staying on unless as you say about Harleys it is a straight line..

Back to the thread, the new's media always has the first say leading most persons into believing the wrong information and tend to highlight only what they want to make more new's out of, commonly called mileage....Hence "motorcyclist get the bash" this then leads the cops getting a 'bash' for doing their job, read between the lines stay within the law, yes the law is an ASS made by those who live in a world removed from actual reality

Poorly thought out answer. What have cars got to do with it. I didnt say that everyone wanted a 300kmh bike. I just made the observation, as did the police in the Nelson Mail not long ago, that the bulk of motorcycle accidents represented are on"large cruisers and Harley Davidsons". In short....you just want an argument. Not getting one from me....Im secure in my position. Are you?

[Katman]

I met with another chap today, but I will meet with Hugh in a weeks time :yes:

Thanks for your support! :niceone:

Thanks for your great efforts.

BRONZ could learn a lot from you about improving motorcycling by working with the powers that be rather than against them.

[duckonin]

Poorly thought out answer. What have cars got to do with it. I didnt say that everyone wanted a 300kmh bike. I just made the observation, as did the police in the Nelson Mail not long ago, that the bulk of motorcycle accidents represented are on"large cruisers and Harley Davidsons". In short....you just want an argument. Not getting one from me....Im secure in my position. Are you?

Don't bother to re read my post to find the answer you don't want to find it anyway, and yes I am really secure in my position..Nope, not one ounce of argument intended at all, at the end of the day I could not careless what others do as long as it does not effect my life..

[neels]

Good call.....cant disagree. We do push it harder and faster (the bike) ........I have seen some hideous moments when following Harleys into corners and they havent scrubbed off enough speed, in fact their skill level in retrieving themselves has been admirable. Me.......I like having 320mm discs, sticky high tech tyres and carefully engineered and track tested handling charactiristics so when I get it wrong, I have some chance....
It doesn't really matter what you're riding, if you're at the limit of the bike or your ability then you're at the limit, it's probably just going to be faster on a sports bike than a cruiser. It doesn't mean you're any safer, just going faster when it happens.

[miloking]

It doesn't really matter what you're riding, if you're at the limit of the bike or your ability then you're at the limit, it's probably just going to be faster on a sports bike than a cruiser. It doesn't mean you're any safer, just going faster when it happens.

It doesnt matter what you are riding??? WTF? oh better let all those guys at Ducati and Aprillia know that they are wasting time putting Brembo and Ohlins stuff on their bikes, and that those aluminium frames designed and tested on computers are waste of time too...as any mig welded steel frame and hardtails on HDs are as good for cornering.

[onearmedbandit]

It doesnt matter what you are riding??? WTF? oh better let all those guys at Ducati and Aprillia know that they are wasting time putting Brembo and Ohlins stuff on their bikes, and that those aluminium frames designed and tested on computers are waste of time too...as any mig welded steel frame and hardtails on HDs are as good for cornering.

Man, I think you completely missed the point of his post.

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[neels]

It doesnt matter what you are riding???Switch off your selective reading function and try again.

[miloking]

if you're at the limit of the bike or your ability then you're at the limit....................Switch off your selective reading function and try again.

Well, if iam at the limit of my skill i would rather be on ducati than HD anyday...as i might have some chance...
And if iam at the limit of the bike..then yes on HD that will happen pretty quick, on Ducati i will probably never reach the limit....so again, it doesnt matter what are you riding?
just saying: *your argument is invalid*

[onearmedbandit]

Jebus, it doesn't matter where the limit is. The point is, that no matter what you are on when you are at the limit you are at the limit. On a sportsbike that limit may be higher, but it's a moot point.

[scumdog]

Man, I think you completely missed the point of his post.

Was going to point that out - but he'd probably think I was winding up....

[Kickaha]

Jebus, it doesn't matter where the limit is. The point is, that no matter what you are on when you are at the limit you are at the limit. On a sportsbike that limit may be higher, but it's a moot point.

He can't help being fucking thick, I blame his teachers because they obviously didn't teach him reading or comprehension

[miloking]

Jebus, it doesn't matter where the limit is. The point is, that no matter what you are on when you are at the limit you are at the limit. On a sportsbike that limit may be higher, but it's a moot point.

Oh i get it, like limit is a limit...but on HD its a different limit then on faster bike. Am i doing it right? :D

[miloking]

Was going to point that out - but he'd probably think I was winding up....

Yep if Onearmedbandit points it out i believe it...you on the other hand would be just wasting your time :)

[scumdog]

Yep if Onearmedbandit points it out i believe it...you on the other hand would be just wasting your time :)

See?

Again I am right..:lol::2thumbsup

[jahrasti]

My question is I wonder where is the fountain of knowledge that is Ixion?

Ixion hello are you out there?

He has been quiet lately, there must be some civil rights issue to carry on about.

[duckonin]

My question is I wonder where is the fountain of knowledge that is Ixion?

Ixion hello are you out there?

He has been quiet lately, there must be some civil rights issue to carry on about.

Plenty of others out there just holloa....one will attend to your needs...

[Woodman]

Thanks for your great efforts.

BRONZ could learn a lot from you about improving motorcycling by working with the powers that be rather than against them.

Absolutely , you summed it all up right there.

[Ixion]

You have both Ulysses and the AA for that. No need for a third lapdog.

Though , for what it's worth BRONZ does work with both ACC , Auckland City Council and even the police. Difference is that we don't blindly swallow their agendas. Which are very seldom for the benefit of motorcycling.

[red mermaid]

I think they are busy tackling the big issues, like parking and paying tolls.



My question is I wonder where is the fountain of knowledge that is Ixion?

Ixion hello are you out there?

He has been quiet lately, there must be some civil rights issue to carry on about.

[miloking]

I think they are busy tackling the big issues, like parking and paying tolls.

those are big issues...sick and tired of the "man" trying to rob us of our hard earned money

[Flip]

He can't help being fucking thick, I blame his teachers because they obviously didn't teach him reading or comprehension

No he is just trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a "look at me I've got a big nob" because I have a sports bike and all Harley riders are wankers. Don't worry, he is a Honda rider. He will grow out of it.

[red mermaid]

Or MK might have been a sailor, and that really says it all!

[Flip]

Spent too much time looking for the golden rivet kind of thing?

[miloking]

No he is just trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a "look at me I've got a big nob" because I have a sports bike and all Harley riders are wankers. Don't worry, he is a Honda rider. He will grow out of it.

What is riding sports bike or even honda got to do with it?
Its like me saying you are racist redneck just because you are from south island...without knowing anything about you. Thats just realy pathetic thing to do just because someone doesnt agree with your opinion.

Also never said Harley riders are wankers, now you are just making up shit to make me look bad....all i said is that HDs are inferior to italian sports bikes in regards of cornering etc....

[rustic101]

I met with another chap today, but I will meet with Hugh in a weeks time :yes:

Thanks for your support! :niceone:

I support the effort and think that anything done to educate and make all riders and drivers aware is a great thing.

However interestingly enough I heard words from the Ivory Tower end of last week that said Superintendent is ranting off on a tangent again.. (referring to his 'mid life crisis' comments).

[red mermaid]

Hell yeah, money is always more important than life.



those are big issues...sick and tired of the "man" trying to rob us of our hard earned money

[miloking]

Hell yeah, money is always more important than life.

Fine with me, iam not suffering mid-life crisis or ride Hardley D. so iam pretty safe i reckon...

[Flip]

Well not yet!

[miloking]

Well not yet!

yeah i reckon i still have another 20 years so by then if we still ride bikes it surely wont be harley davidsons....

Just to be sure when are you suppoused to get this mid-life crisis?

[neels]

I have no issue with the cops pulling up bikers for a check, just as I have no problem with them waving me through when they have their boy racer checkpoints set up. As long as they do what they say they are doing it's all good, much like the breath testing at the March Hare rally where they only breath tested and didn't check licences or rego or wof's, they could have made a lot more money if they did.

I guess I'm probably conditioned from driving around town when I was a lad (before being a boy racer was fashionable) in a piece of shit looking car, getting pulled up and checked was just part of a night out. Once they had seen licence, reg, wof they sent you on your way with a smile, can't see a problem really.

[davereid]

I guess I'm probably conditioned from driving around town when I was a lad ...getting pulled up and checked was just part of a night out. .

I guess that's right, you have become conditioned.

We once had the right to go about our business without being stopped by the law, unless they had observed us doing something that was illegal.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.

Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

Then we introduced the "Search and Surveillance Bill" which, inspite of the Minister protestations expanded those powers. Currently the bill languishes in select committee.

A few have commented that I am paranoid, think there is a commie behind every tree. Maybe, or maybe I am just old enough to remember how it was, to have learned from history, and to be watching carefully as we quietly allow even greater government law enforcement intrusion into our normal, legal and private daily lives.

[miloking]

I guess that's right, you have become conditioned.

We once had the right to go about our business without being stopped by the law, unless they had observed us doing something that was illegal.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.

Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

Then we introduced the "Search and Surveillance Bill" which, inspite of the Minister protestations expanded those powers. Currently the bill languishes in select committee.

A few have commented that I am paranoid, think there is a commie behind every tree. Maybe, or maybe I am just old enough to remember how it was, to have learned from history, and to be watching carefully as we quietly allow even greater government law enforcement intrusion into our normal, legal and private daily lives.

Unfortunately this is a global trend, still shame its happening even in NZ probably one of last few truly free countries.. all in a name of "greater good" but for who...

All i can say to govt and their enforcement pawns is leave me the fuck alone..i doubt they will listen though.

[Katman]

All i can say to govt and their enforcement pawns is leave me the fuck alone..i doubt they will listen though.

The ones making the loudest protestations are usually the ones looked at with closer scrutiny.

[red mermaid]

those are big issues...sick and tired of the "man" trying to rob us of our hard earned money


I guess that's right, you have become conditioned.

We once had the right to go about our business without being stopped by the law, unless they had observed us doing something that was illegal.

When was this because police always had the power to stop any vehicle, anywhere, anytime.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.

Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

When did this happen, because the law states police must have reasonable grounds to believe.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

Once again, must have grounds to believe.

Then we introduced the "Search and Surveillance Bill" which, inspite of the Minister protestations expanded those powers. Currently the bill languishes in select committee.

A few have commented that I am paranoid, think there is a commie behind every tree. Maybe, or maybe I am just old enough to remember how it was, to have learned from history, and to be watching carefully as we quietly allow even greater government law enforcement intrusion into our normal, legal and private daily lives.

I put it to you, you aren't old enough to remember how it is but you are old enough to make it up.

[miloking]

I put it to you, you aren't old enough to remember how it is but you are old enough to make it up.

Its called "learn history", you should try it sometimes they have it on computers now....

[HenryDorsetCase]

I guess that's right, you have become conditioned.

We once had the right to go about our business without being stopped by the law, unless they had observed us doing something that was illegal.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.

Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

Then we introduced the "Search and Surveillance Bill" which, inspite of the Minister protestations expanded those powers. Currently the bill languishes in select committee.

A few have commented that I am paranoid, think there is a commie behind every tree. Maybe, or maybe I am just old enough to remember how it was, to have learned from history, and to be watching carefully as we quietly allow even greater government law enforcement intrusion into our normal, legal and private daily lives.

Ooooh!!! someone gets it.!

[warewolf]

The ones making the loudest protestations are usually the ones looked at with closer scrutiny.Indeed. I agree with your omission of implied guilt. The people that get most pissed off with such interference are the guilty... and the clearly innocent.

[scumdog]

I guess that's right, you have become conditioned.

We once had the right to go about our business without being stopped by the law, unless they had observed us doing something that was illegal.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.

Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

Then we introduced the "Search and Surveillance Bill" which, inspite of the Minister protestations expanded those powers. Currently the bill languishes in select committee.

A few have commented that I am paranoid, think there is a commie behind every tree. Maybe, or maybe I am just old enough to remember how it was, to have learned from history, and to be watching carefully as we quietly allow even greater government law enforcement intrusion into our normal, legal and private daily lives.

Just like I'm not allowed to have a M60 or similar 'just in case' I went troppo and massacred Parliament..

Or have a knife on my belt when in the pub 'just in case' I stabbed somebody,

- when will 'just in case' ever end???

[davereid]

I put it to you, you aren't old enough to remember how it is but you are old enough to make it up.


Answering your questions....

When was this because police always had the power to stop any vehicle, anywhere, anytime.

You may be correct, I will research it and let you know.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.
Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

When did this happen, because the law states police must have reasonable grounds to believe.

Fisheries do it all the time, treating "you have been to the beach" as reasonable grounds. Police also do routine "tip outs" without cause. They also inspect vehicles in case they are breaching liquor bans.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

Once again, must have grounds to believe.

Yep, but they are so vague, it amounts to random search.



Maybe, letting the Police do all these things has made New Zealand a better place. Maybe its all for the good. But for me, its for the worst.

[Kickaha]

We once had the right to go about our business without being stopped by the law, unless they had observed us doing something that was illegal.

Then we became used to being stopped in the car just, in case we had done something wrong. And as many of the comments on here indicate, lots of folk think that's just fine.

Then we allowed law enforcement to search vehicles at random, just in case they had evidence of wrong doing in them.

Then we allowed police (under very specific circumstances of course, we are a free country) to search individuals without a warrant just in case they had evidence of wrong doing on them.

And in reality how often did any of that actually happen to any of us, in 30 odd years on the road I think I've been through about 3-4 check points where I was stopped (for less than a minute) to be tested

[miloking]

Just like I'm not allowed to have a M60 or similar 'just in case' I went troppo and massacred Parliament..

Or have a knife on my belt when in the pub 'just in case' I stabbed somebody,

- when will 'just in case' ever end???

Funny that you say that in states you can have M60 and nobody massacred their goverment yet... and you would be suprised how many people carry knives even to pubs...

[scumdog]

Maybe, letting the Police do all these things has made New Zealand a better place. Maybe its all for the good. But for me, its for the worst.

And this has all affected you first-hand and personally how??
(What about going through all the law changes allowing more freedom to New Zealanders - or that take powers away from Police eh?)

[miloking]

And this has all affected you first-hand and personally how??
(What about going through all the law changes allowing more freedom to New Zealanders - or that take powers away from Police eh?)

WFT are you on about, police has way more control than ever before...

[scumdog]

WFT are you on about, police has way more control than ever before...

Reallyy?

Tell me more:wait:

[davereid]

And this has all affected you first-hand and personally how??

It hasn't affected me. Nor has violent crime, burglary, rape or murder. That doesn't mean its right.

Nonetheless, the government is showing an interest in increasing the power of the state. I remain sceptical that this will improve our lives.

[warewolf]

And in reality how often did any of that actually happen to any of us, in 30 odd years on the road I think I've been through about 3-4 check points where I was stopped (for less than a minute) to be testedYou need to get out more.

[JATZ]

And in reality how often did any of that actually happen to any of us, in 30 odd years on the road I think I've been through about 3-4 check points where I was stopped (for less than a minute) to be tested

Faaark..... I've been stopped 4 times in 1 hour during the xmas anti boooooze effort. I admit to saying some bad words to the officer on the 4th stop though :innocent:

[Ixion]

And in reality how often did any of that actually happen to any of us, in 30 odd years on the road I think I've been through about 3-4 check points where I was stopped (for less than a minute) to be tested

You need to get out more.



Well, where shall I start. Prolly only remember 10% of them off hand.

I guess I encounter two or three checkpoints a year , excluding booze buses (though I must say the last three (four?) they've just waved me through without stopping. Must be obvious I'm just a sweet gentle innocent old man. Don't have any problem with the checkpoints that stop everyone. That's fair, all treated the same, can't complain about that.)

Late 60s I guess. Down to Wanganui to get Zuki S32-2 parts from Percy Colman. Arrive late pm , find a motor camp. "No room" : "But, all those cabins ??" . "No room piss off". Try motel , same deal. "At least lets go to the flicks , get warm " (It was midwinter). Good idea. "No seats " : "But , but". We spent the night bivvied in the post box lobby

Later - 75 maybe . Rotorua. Stopped by a cop. half hour abusive rant about bikers and gangs (FFS - I was on a YDS3 Yyamaha , my mate something similar). Check everything. Finally grudging let us go, couldn't find anything.

I never got done on the "Your vehicles defective, headlamps broke": "No it isn't": crash , tinkle "Is now" deal, but I saw the broken tail light on a mates bikes that got done that way. Worse, because that got him a summons for riding with a white light to the rear (he wasn't off course, until the cop smashed his lens), serious offence back then. Refer to what I quoted about Gideon Tait telling his cops to concentrate on unroadworthy bikes. Nowadays they call it compliance checking.

Maybe early 80s, late 70s. Coming back north, Fuel up at end of Desert Road. "Sorry, no fuel": "WTF you just filled that car": "Look I said no fuel for you". Much argument, guy finally admitted that the local cop had told him to refuse to sell gas to motorcycles. See cop, argue. Get told "Get out of my town, and with any luck you'll freeze to death on the road". Could'nt risk running out on the Desert Road, and two of us were on two smokers, not going to make it across. So we went back a bit (night now, everything closed early back then, no point trying for an open gasser), bivvied up until morning, then drained the fuel from the two strokes into the one four stroke, and sent him off to find petrol. He got some at a general store (they sold petrol then), and we made Taupo OK.

Couldn't begin to count the number of times I've been refused service at cafes or pubs.Every biker that's been seriously riding for a few decades will have those experiences.

Just a few that stick in my mind, if I try I can probably remember pages of them, most of those were a while ago, but that the police attitude is unchanged you can see in the threads about our own dear Gingacunt.

Couldn't remember or count the number of times I've been stopped and gone over. That's a separate deal to the proper checkpoints. No problem with them , they stop everyone, check everyone, all good. If you aren't kosher you get a ticket, that's life , the risk you take. I'm talking the targeted ones, stopped just for riding a motorcycle . "Just a routine check.." .Yeah, right. Sometimes only a 'few' minutes (how long does tyranny have to be , anyway?), and then a grudging "you can go". complete with look of pure venom, that's the only consolation the sheer fury of the cop when he realises he can't get you on anything and has to let you go. At least you know you've ruined his day!. Other times, they try the whole interrogation- "where have you been , why , where are you going , blah blah blah". Doesn't get them anywhere nowadays, name rank and serial number, if I am under arrest I will make no statement at this time and I wish to consult the Duty Solicitor, other wise why are you detaining me? .

[Katman]

Couldn't begin to count the number of times I've been refused service at cafes or pubs.Every biker that's been seriously riding for a few decades will have those experiences.


I've been riding for 30 years and never once been refused service anywhere.

Your rant does nothing but confirm your status as a bitter and twisted old fool.

[trustme]

I've been riding for 30 years and never once been refused service anywhere.

Your rant does nothing but confirm your status as a bitter and twisted old fool.

+1 Only agro I have had was 30 years ago at Frans Josef . Dickheads caused probs the previous night , camp ground owners wife eye balls us & says ' are you a problem ?'. we stayed the night no probs
OTOH ,Tried to book into a ski resort hotel in California, poofter desk jockey stalled & stalled before dealing with me,' nope we are full ' everywhere else was empty.
Napa Valley vineyards & I was treated like ' shit on boots '.

It happens but not here in my experience unless you carry ' BAGGAGE'

[Flip]

I've been riding for 30 years and never once been refused service anywhere.

Your rant does nothing but confirm your status as a bitter and twisted old fool.

+2 Been riding for 35 years and never had a problem.

Time to get over some bad service you got in the 60's, life is too short.

[warewolf]

Geez, some of youse fellahs can't handle the idea the world is less than your happy idyll, eh? :baby:

[Kickaha]

Geez, some of youse fellahs can't handle the idea the world is less than your happy idyll, eh? :baby:

Geez, some of youse fellahs can't handle the idea the world is nowhere near as bad as you're making out, eh? :baby:

[PrincessBandit]

Look I understand that you think the Police are picking on you just so you can't have fun, but can you please tell me what you would do if the roads you patrolled had a higher than average accident rate.

There seems to be an element here on KB that just seem to hate the Police. Shit maybe the cops come on here and think that attitudes like yours are representative of all motorcyclists.

They aren't by the way.

No no no, you're not allowed to say that to him. Miloking has a highly developed degree of paranoia - the police are all bastard pigs out to get him!!

His blinkers also hinder him from admitting that bikers who ride like cocks are playing right into the hands of the ptb who want to see a motorbike free NZ in the not too distant future.

[Woodman]

Ixion, What you have described is nothing more than some peoples prejudices, and not just by the Police. I dunno you, but maybe you just are not all that good at first impressions or something. It could be just you they don,t warm to not all motorcyclists. Personally I have never had experiences like yours, whether out on the bike or not.

And the Police here in nelson are not picking on or messing with motorcyclists rights, they are just pulling over a certain type of vehicle that operates on the roads they patrol.
The operators of these vehicles can describe themselves as all sorts of things, motorcyclists being just one of them.

[Hinny]

Your rant does nothing but confirm your status as a bitter and twisted old fool.

Is that comment a tribute to Michael Jackson?
'I'm talking to the man in the mirror'

[Katman]

Is that comment a tribute to Michael Jackson?
'I'm talking to the man in the mirror'

I'm sure plenty of 45 year olds will support the fact that I'm not exactly old.

:msn-wink:

[Ixion]

Here's another observation that's just occurred to me.

Over the years I guess I've averaged about 90% of miles on two wheels, 10% on four wheels.

Now, I've not had many tickets in that time : 3 minor speeding tickets (all 110-120), one years ago for no WoF, another years ago for similar (bald tyre maybe, I was a poor student), one loopy ticket for something like not displaying a blue light when towing (some such, that only an old school snake would know about - my father paid that one, I was towing him home, as you do), and another one that I can't remember what for , but something minor.

So, not a big rap list for over 40 years.

The interesting thing is, that despite the 90% two wheel split , ALL of those were in a car. I've never (touch wood, I know this is tempting fate) had a ticket on a bike .

But, conversely, I'd say I get pulled over "just for a routine check" on average maybe three times a year . But I've NEVER been pulled over for a "routine check" in a car.

So, I get more tickets in cars than bikes, despite a vastly greater bike mileage. But more "routine checks" on bikes. So how does all that compute with unbiased policing. (I must admit I don't actually know - but logically it should all be proportional)

[Ixion]

Here's another observation that's just occurred to me.

Over the years I guess I've averaged about 90% of miles on two wheels, 10% on four wheels.

Now, I've not had many tickets in that time : 3 minor speeding tickets (all 110-120), one years ago for no WoF, another years ago for similar (bald tyre maybe, I was a poor student), one loopy ticket for something like not displaying a blue light when towing (some such, that only an old school snake would know about - my father paid that one, I was towing him home, as you do), and another one that I can't remember what for , but something minor.

So, not a big rap list for over 40 years.

The interesting thing is, that despite the 90% two wheel split , ALL of those were in a car. I've never (touch wood, I know this is tempting fate) had a ticket on a bike .

But, conversely, I'd say I get pulled over "just for a routine check" on average maybe three times a year . But I've NEVER been pulled over for a "routine check" in a car.

So, I get more tickets in cars than bikes, despite a vastly greater bike mileage. But more "routine checks" on bikes. So how does all that compute with unbiased policing. (I must admit I don't actually know - but logically it should all be proportional)

EDIT: I'm only counting actual tickets not warnings.

[davereid]

..the Police here in nelson are not picking on or messing with motorcyclists rights, they are just pulling over a certain type of vehicle that operates on the roads they patrol. The operators of these vehicles can describe themselves as all sorts of things, motorcyclists being just one of them.

When they are pulled over, they are motorcyclists.

Exactly how often would you be happy with being pulled over before you considered you were being harassed ?
Once a year ?
Once a month ?
Once a week ?
5 times on one ride ? (as happened to a group of bikers in your area a few weeks back ?)

How many times would you have to be pulled over before you became "safe" ?

[Ixion]

I have no problem with being pulled over and ticketed if I'm breaking some law . Not going to be a happy camper that day, but fair enough, the law's the law, you break it you accept the consequences.

I don't have any problem with general checks, stopping all vehicles . If I'm caught with no rego , or WoF , or whatever , well, fair enough, that's the risk you take

I have somewhat more of a problem with being pulled over just for being a motorcyclist - but not enough to bunch my panties.

But I'd have a very big problem indeed , and severely bunched panties, with being pulled over for the crime of being middle aged. And even more so for the crime of , apparently, having a "mid life crisis".

Last time I looked , neither of those were crimes. So using them as a basis for stopping motorcyclists (or anyone else, but apparently only motorcyclists get middle aged or have mid life crises) is another example of the police making up the law to suit themselves.

[Woodman]

When they are pulled over, they are motorcyclists.

Exactly how often would you be happy with being pulled over before you considered you were being harassed ?
Once a year ?
Once a month ?
Once a week ?
5 times on one ride ? (as happened to a group of bikers in your area a few weeks back ?)

How many times would you have to be pulled over before you became "safe" ?

Good question(s) yes 5 times in a day I would definitely start feeling harrassed, especially if it was the same cop, but in the case you describe it probarbly wasn't.

I am not saying that it will make me feel safer at all, or that it will work for that matter. What I am saying is that the Police probarbly have KPI's just like any other organisation and if there is an anomoly, generally a targetted, (not a blanket )response is used to correct the anomoly. I really don't think they have sat at a meeting and decided that they will target motorcyclists because they think they are not nice people.

[Hinny]

I'm sure plenty of 45 year olds will support the fact that I'm not exactly old.

:msn-wink:

I'm sure plenty of 25 year olds will support the fact that you are very old.

[JATZ]

I rode around for hours yesterday and didn't get stopped once :yes: didn't even see a cop :D so it's not as bad as it may seem

[Woodman]

I rode around for hours yesterday and didn't get stopped once :yes: didn't even see a cop :D so it's not as bad as it may seem

Well I wish their had been one at the lee valley intersection just after I saw you, a bloody sheep truck pulled out in front of me. Fcuken dickhead.

[Roadsafe Nelson]

I rode around for hours yesterday and didn't get stopped once :yes: didn't even see a cop :D so it's not as bad as it may seem

You're keen mate... Doesn't start till 1st July.. :rolleyes:

[scracha]

I put it to you, you aren't old enough to remember how it is but you are old enough to make it up.
What a fuckwit of a statement.

[JATZ]

Yeah I know, I was just testing :whistle:

vid of the rideout over in the Nelson rideout thread, bit of a giggle :D

[Roadsafe Nelson]

Yeah I know, I was just testing :whistle:

vid of the rideout over in the Nelson rideout thread, bit of a giggle :D

:shutup: you trying to stir up the natives... :girlfight:

will check out the vid.. I still gotta get me that offroader don't I...... ;)

[98tls]

:shutup: you trying to stir up the natives... :girlfight:

will check out the vid.. I still gotta get me that offroader don't I...... ;)

Sorted that out for you today,though it would seem a shame as the thing is as new.lol.

[Roadsafe Nelson]

Sorted that out for you today,though it would seem a shame as the thing is as new.lol.

set of knobblies fix it ya reckon.... :lol:

[Roadsafe Nelson]

PS: my website is now live.. still a bit of finishing off to do.. but it's all go!! :2thumbsup

www.roadsafenelson.co.nz

[98tls]

set of knobblies fix it ya reckon.... :lol:

Be a shame but hey why not.

[miloking]

No no no, you're not allowed to say that to him. Miloking has a highly developed degree of paranoia - the police are all bastard pigs out to get him!!

His blinkers also hinder him from admitting that bikers who ride like cocks are playing right into the hands of the ptb who want to see a motorbike free NZ in the not too distant future.

Of course i know that not all cops are out to get me (some are on a break getting donuts)...but fact that iam sitting on a bike definately increases the attention, so as much as cops are allowed to sterotype all bikers as speeding, unlicenced, P dealing criminals...iam allowed to stereotype all cops as vengeful wankers.
And to be honest rather than having this softcock version of "neutered" motorcycling that everybody is so vehemently talking about i would rather have no motorcycling at all...fuck riding at 80km/h on glorified vespa with flouro vest and rego properly displayed...thats not what biking is about...

[Berries]

And to be honest rather than having this softcock version of "neutered" motorcycling that everybody is so vehemently talking about i would rather have no motorcycling at all...fuck riding at 80km/h on glorified vespa with flouro vest and rego properly displayed...thats not what biking is about...
You may be a bit of a cock at times, but got to agree with you there.

[miloking]

You may be a bit of a cock at times, but got to agree with you there.

Only "at times" ?...What are you talking about i thought i was cock all the time :D ...but you are quite right there I havent been exactly known for my "people skills"...

[Katman]

And to be honest rather than having this softcock version of "neutered" motorcycling that everybody is so vehemently talking about i would rather have no motorcycling at all...fuck riding at 80km/h on glorified vespa with flouro vest and rego properly displayed...thats not what biking is about...

And the irony is that it is precisely the "I'll ride however I like and fuck the rest of you" attitude that will see legislation introduced that will turn motorcycling into just that.

[Berries]

And the irony is that it is precisely the "I'll ride however I like and fuck the rest of you" attitude that will see legislation introduced that will turn motorcycling into just that.
So you keep saying. But isn't "just that" what you want anyway ? Your posts are all in a similar vein, what exactly do you want ? Apart from less people falling off, which I think is something we all want, and not seeing motorcycling outlawed which as a concept seems a bit cuckoo to me.

[Katman]

So you keep saying. But isn't "just that" exactly what you want anyway ?

If you really believe that then you clearly haven't been paying attention.

[Berries]

I'd edited my post to ask the question.

[Katman]

Your posts are all in a similar vein, what exactly do you want ?

Go back and read some of the threads I've started. Weed out the shit slinging from them and you'll be left with all your questions answered.

[PrincessBandit]

...blah blah blah..blah blah blah....... i would rather have no motorcycling at all...fuck riding at 80km/h on glorified vespa with flouro vest and rego properly displayed...thats not what biking is about...

Keep going like you're always rabbiting on and it'll happen. what a thoughtful individual you are. Good on ya bro! (p/t, in case that went over your head).

[ajturbo]

Motorcycle riders in Tasman district have shown from the fatal crash stats to be an at risk group, so they have made themselves a group to be checked for compliance.


sooooo your saying that only unrego..or un-wof bikes are killing bikers in what i used to "my home"

[duckonin]

You're keen mate... Doesn't start till 1st July.. :rolleyes:

He was just testing....ha ha 'before time' what where you testing 4 ?

[CrazyFrog]

Righto, I got random stopped today, on the scooter too I might add, oh God, the shame and indignity of it all! So, yes boys, it's happening here.
He must've thought I was some punk-ass school kid, as I got stopped on Waimea Rd, just down road from Boy's College (yes, in Nelson).
Cop was real nice about it, explained his purpose, did the basic checks, licence, rego, and WOF, oh, yeah the scooter don't need a WOF, yeah! One point to me!:yes:
Basically gave me a pat on the back really, bike up to scratch, and wearing good gear.
He then talked about going for a ride this avo himself, so despite being a cage cop, he wasn’t all bad and obviously rides in his spare time.
He commented on my flash KTM jacket, as if to say WTF are you wearing that for on a scooter, I had to explain that the scoot does the job just fine for a 7km commute.
What I should’ve said was “Well officer, my less than legal EXC dirt bike as parked up in the shed with no WOF and Rego and you cop mo-fo's aren't gonna catch me on that, cos I’ll head for the hills” but seeing how the cop passed the attitude test, I let him off lightly.:2thumbsup

I don't feel at all aggrieved about the process, but I can imagine those who may be riding out of their licence class, or un-regoed etc, could well be a little nervous. Hence the reason I'll be very careful where I take the EXC over next 10 weeks, I say I'll be trailer trash to any of the local trail rides..... maybe with the exception of Sharlands eh boys?

[Hinny]

Blitz on Bikers.
Welcome to our world.
It's like it was in my youth. I think...

[Woodman]

Read a letter to the editor in the Nelson mail tonight, basically a group of bikers being stopped by the police riding through Motueka. random stop apparently until the police started going a bit too far, asking if they had been in trouble with the Police before etc and getting really carried away with questioning etc that had no relation to the blitz . Papers not here otherwise i would copy it here.

I have no trouble with the blitz but if the police are going to use it for other reasons then thats not right.

[cold comfort]

Blitz on Bikers.
Welcome to our world.
It's like it was in my youth. I think...
Yeah, just like the "good old days" in my youth in Nelson. Had a H2 Kawasaki. Local cop used to follow me around looking for transgressions (having already established i had current licensing on the previous "random checks")

[Padmei]

Got stopped on Sunday avo outside Founders for breath test. He checked the reg etc & was pretty cool about it.

I had a new slightly louder pipe on that I was testing out up the forest & it has horrendous decell popping. I was impressed with my steady eddy throttle hand slowing down to stop:laugh:
Another cop must have known it wasn't stock cos he looked like he was itching to look it over & blip the throttle.

Good on them for at least trying to get the drunk pricks (& more commonly down here drunk prickesses) off the road

[ajturbo]

[QUOTE=Padmei;1129811597]

Another cop must have known it wasn't stock cos he looked like he was itching to look it over & blip the throttle.

/QUOTE]

that would not have made me very happy .... (yeah i know it was only your thoughts)

[Fluffy Cat]

Wheew!!! read it all...
So when I get stopped and my Acc isn't paid the stop will save a life... or did i miss something.....
Wheeew read it again!!!!....
When I get stopped and my wof is out it will save a life?????...
I think I need to read this again. I may be missing something.

Or could it be..... the number of bikes rego'd has fallen due to the inevitable rises incurred. And we need to put the feelers on these law dodging bludgers of motorcyclists.....

As usual a small amount of disbelief will suffice....and remember.
If you comply there is no problem.....wtf!!!.....mine fuhrer.
Also.....along those imortal lines. Resistance is futile..................

[miloking]

If you comply there is no problem.....wtf!!!.....mine fuhrer.


Haha thats classic.... and sadly so true!

Rego on hold FTW!

[awayatc]

Now if they could just tow one of those little coffee trailers (with a toilet attached of course) around so that we could kill two or three birds with one stone, it could probably be quite a social event!

:Police::ride::grouphug::ride::Police:

Not sure if they were givin away coffee, but saw a mobile police canteen present at a local checkpoint the other day...
Had catchy "booze Bus" signwriting on it......

Oh and they seemed to offer courtesy car rides home for tired cold wet motorbike riders as well....:innocent:

[Genie]

Been out for the last 3 days, seen plenty of cops, 3 today, and not one has thought to stop me...I'm wondering if I've got really bad BO!

[scumdog]

Been out for the last 3 days, seen plenty of cops, 3 today, and not one has thought to stop me...I'm wondering if I've got really bad BO!

No, no, what you have said will not do - we want to hear about 100's of innocent bikers getting randomly stopped by the wicked police and issued with tickets that were obtained by 'fishing' for faults that hardly even exist and the rider didn't know about...:shifty:

[red mermaid]

Perhaps there is not enough fairies in Nelson land to be able to write fairy tales?



No, no, what you have said will not do - we want to hear about 100's of innocent bikers getting randomly stopped by the wicked police and issued with tickets that were obtained by 'fishing' for faults that hardly even exist and the rider didn't know about...:shifty:

[scumdog]

Perhaps there is not enough fairies in Nelson land to be able to write fairy tales?

Nelson?

It's FULL of fairies, nutsos, fruit-loops and hippies.

Hence why I moved out never to live there again.:yes:

[Genie]

No, no, what you have said will not do - we want to hear about 100's of innocent bikers getting randomly stopped by the wicked police and issued with tickets that were obtained by 'fishing' for faults that hardly even exist and the rider didn't know about...:shifty:

OK...just to make YOU feel better I shall go out again tomorrow and search for the wicked evil policeman who has nothing better to do than pick on me.
I have a feeling, as even in times of naughtiness I have always found the policemen to be courteous and pleasant, it shall not be an easy task and I may need to go out again the following day. I shall do this but only to make you happy.

Though I am thinking that should I be pulled over, the policeman would be friendly and courteuous, though that may have something to do with my own attitude. :innocent:

[Genie]

Nelson?

It's FULL of fairies, nutsos, fruit-loops and hippies.

Hence why I moved out never to live there again.:yes:

Hey, I'm one of the fruit-loops....bit of nutso in me as well.

[scumdog]

Hey, I'm one of the fruit-loops....bit of nutso in me as well.

And some kind of fairy too eh!:msn-wink:

[davereid]

No, no, what you have said will not do - we want to hear about 100's of innocent bikers getting randomly stopped by the wicked police and issued with tickets that were obtained by 'fishing' for faults that hardly even exist and the rider didn't know about...:shifty:

They are only stopping jews and homos.
Who could care less if they get stopped 10 times a day.

Buggar this obsession about needing a reason to stop them. Some of them would get away with it if ya couldn't just stop em at will.

[Kickaha]

and issued with tickets that were obtained by 'fishing' for faults that hardly even exist and the rider didn't know about...:shifty:


Issued with tickets? lotto tickets? tickets to the rugby? last copper I dealt with only issued me a cup of tea:shifty:

[warewolf]

I have always found the policemen to be courteous and pleasantHow nice for you. I have never been less than unfailing polite and civil to cops at the roadside. The reverse is not true. The cops are pretty damned good at dishing out 'attitude' unprovoked, despite plentiful claims that it's only ever a response to the same initiated by the other party.

The interesting thing is that due to the public backlash, the top cop(s) here have changed their tune in the papers and are now selling it as an opportunity for two-way communication. Up until then it's only been described as paperwork checks and a lecture.

[Hinny]

Nelson?

It's FULL of fairies, nutsos, fruit-loops and hippies.

Hence why I moved out never to live there again.:sick:

No surprises that you don't get on with Hippies Scummy. :2guns:
Often referred to as the most advanced civilisation we have seen.
Brought us the Civil Rights Movement, the Peace Movement, Computors and on and on.:yes:

I'll have a scotch for you before dinner.

[scumdog]

No surprises that you don't get on with Hippies Scummy. :2guns:
Often referred to as the most advanced civilisation we have seen.
Brought us the Civil Rights Movement, the Peace Movement, Computors and on and on.:yes:

I'll have a scotch for you before dinner.

Who sez I don't get on with hippies??:blink:

I just don't like too many of them around me in the company of fairies, nutsos and fruit-loops.

And I'll try a Yankee whisky while I'm here in their land , ducking hippies left, right and middle here in Bakersfield.

[awayatc]

You are Ducking Hippies.....?

Duck off.....!

[Genie]

I've lived all my life and not seen many a hippie....not seen a single fairy but nutcases and old biddies....hell yes - they come in abundance.

On topic - went out of my motorcycle this afternoon, saw myself 5 nice little highway patrol vehicles....and not one of them pulled me over for a chat. I must have really strong B.O.!!!

[rastuscat]

On a slight tangent, how about this thought.

We all bang on about how th gubbermint should stop doing enforcement and improve driver standards by education.

So, imagine this. The Popos in Nelson start stopping motorcyclists to educate them.

Then we all whinge about being stopped for no reason.

Go figure.:shit:

[Fluffy Cat]

On a slight tangent, how about this thought.

We all bang on about how th gubbermint should stop doing enforcement and improve driver standards by education.

So, imagine this. The Popos in Nelson start stopping motorcyclists to educate them.

Then we all whinge about being stopped for no reason.

Go figure.:shit:

Good troll....

Who said we all asked for it..at all?????.
Motorcyclists have never been more educated.....If we look at past training regimes.
It would appear on the face of it that more training/education=more accidents!.:gob:
How can we/you/us expect the average constable to educate a motorcyclist at the road side in less than a couple of hours???. Considering that the average constable follows average road trends and does not, nor never has ridden a motorcycle?:shit:.
This is not about education....a much over used word these days if you ask me!.

[rastuscat]

In regard to education, I have always learned from my bins......................so I have a policy of deliberately falling off every few months, just for the education value.
:innocent:

[Woodman]

This Blitz is now officially pissing me off. My bike is not rego'd or warranted at the moment, and while this usually doesn't bother me, at the moment I am worried about being pulled over randomly.

Bastards.

[nsrpaul]

This Blitz is now officially pissing me off. My bike is not rego'd or warranted at the moment, and while this usually doesn't bother me, at the moment I am worried about being pulled over randomly.

Bastards.

me to:no::no:

[warewolf]

We all bang on about how th gubbermint should stop doing enforcement and improve driver standards by education.

So, imagine this. The Popos in Nelson start stopping motorcyclists to educate them.I don't think anyone is asking for enforcement to stop; petty enforcement, yes.

Somehow I fail to see what a cop can tell me in a few minutes on the side of the road, that I don't get in full-day training courses run by specialists that I attend regularly. And if a cop could impart such life-saving pearls of wisdom in a handful of minutes, why the hell aren't they telling us before now? Surely there are better, more direct, and more comprehensive communication methods. I mean, we know about the speed thing, we know about the alcohol thing, we know about the seatbelts thing... what new thing have they got to say?

[Hinny]

And I'll try a Yankee whisky while I'm here in their land , ducking hippies left, right and middle here in Bakersfield.

You on holiday in the lamd of the Fascist rulers of the world?
You have to watch those cops around Bakersfield.- Scary Mofos.
Good Sports shops. - Good gun sections.
Their American Whiskey tastes a lot like their beer - Horse Piss.
I reckon they might strain it through used stable straw.
Good for you that you know how to drive on the wrong side of the car. Just have to adapt to keeping it on the wrong side of the road.

[scumdog]

Good for you that you know how to drive on the wrong side of the car. Just have to adapt to keeping it on the wrong side of the road.


I regularly drive a left-drive car so it wasn't too much of a bother, driven over here a few times - not sure about who gives way when turning right over here but at least there's no do-gooder KBer watching me and telling me I'm doing it wrong.!!

And never had a run-in with da man but I can understand the attitude of Bakersfield cops - have ya seen some of its 'citizens'?:shit:

Pan-hanlers, bums and druggies everywhere...

[Hinny]

- not sure about who gives way when turning right over here
And never had a run-in with da man but I can understand the attitude of Bakersfield cops - have ya seen some of its 'citizens'?:shit:

Pan-handlers, bums and druggies everywhere...

The person in the smaller vehicle gives way - natch.

The one person I remember was a gorgeous woman buying 44 ammo for her handgun.

[rastuscat]

This Blitz is now officially pissing me off. My bike is not rego'd or warranted at the moment, and while this usually doesn't bother me, at the moment I am worried about being pulled over randomly.

Bastards.

I guess that was one of the points of the blitz. To keep unwarranted, unregistered vehicles off the road.

I guess you'll be receiving a letter from the Popos thanking you for complying.