What's your thoughts on Winston Peters???

[Dafe]

Hey guys and gals, Just wandering what everybody is thinking of Winnie these days? He's been in the news a fair bit lately and has announced intentions within his policies to create a unit to deal with enforcing illegal immigration. Sounds bloody good to me! I ain't got anything against Asians, two of my best mates are Asians, but isn't this country loosing it's kiwi ethnicity? Winnies primarily targeting a reduction in Asian immigration.
Probably too late though, If somebody does the count, they might find that theres more Asians than europeans, islanders and maori together!!! Is anybody happy with Helen?

[Eurodave]

Kin oath mate, old Winnies on the right track & hes gunna get quite a few votes this time,me included
Ive seen that there is one hell of an asian backlash happening @ the mo!
Go for a look round Christchurch some time, slopes [or "Squid" as my daughter calls them] & their diarys/superettes etc are all over the where!

[John]

Hey guys and gals, Just wandering what everybody is thinking of Winnie these days? He's been in the news a fair bit lately and has announced intentions within his policies to create a unit to deal with enforcing illegal immigration. Sounds bloody good to me! I ain't got anything against Asians, two of my best mates are Asians, but isn't this country loosing it's kiwi ethnicity? Winnies primarily targeting a reduction in Asian immigration.
Probably too late though, If somebody does the count, they might find that theres more Asians than europeans, islanders and maori together!!! Is anybody happy with Helen?
I am going to agree with you totally - but what do I know, I'm just a silly little boy - I remeber the days of when winston was a big shot, and was oposite to what he is today.. I rate him scarey times we live in init..?

[Big Dave]

What Sky Sports channel is he on?

[John]

What Sky Sports channel is he on?
Sometimes, I really want the drugs that you take - seriously you have to start sharing them.

[she_said]

I dont know much of politics but i didnt like what Winston Peters Said on the news tonight. To me it just sounded like he was totaly against asians. Now im not trying to offend anyone here but i would sooner have our streets filled with asian people than pacific islanders...

[Big Dave]

Sometimes, I really want the drugs that you take - seriously you have to start sharing them.

Sport 365 says caffeine is quite controversial at the moment.

[Dafe]

Isn't New Zealand supposed to be a beautiful clean country???
So why the hell have do we have Helen Clarke as the face of our nation?

[Sniper]

I smell sausages

[zadok]

I see you have a census coming up again next year. Check the official stats from 2001 here: http://www.stats.govt.nz/census/cultural-diversity-tables.htm
Opens with M.S Exell.

Fortunately we don't have much problems with gangs like the 'Mongrel Mob' etc over here. There are a few Asian gangs that get themselves in the news. They tend to fight among themselves.

[Marmoot]

but isn't this country loosing it's kiwi ethnicity?

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is the "kiwi ethnicity" you mentioned?
The White? Or the Maori?

I saw it everywhere it says the Maori culture, but I think that has been lost a long time, mate. Actually, your so-called kiwi-ethnicity "killed" it by banning Te Reo in 1960, etc.

Or did you actually mean "it's British Ancestry"?

Now you got me confused. If the Asians were to assimilate, which culture should they choose? The Maori as NZ original, or the White culture? If they choose the White culture, wouldn't NZ loose it's ethnicity and become simply a part of British?

Plus, what is the definition of Imigrants? Is 20-years immigrant actually becoming a kiwi, or still an immigrant? Goes the same for 50-years immigrant? If so, there is a hell lot of us who are immigrants. What makes one group of immigrant different from the other group? If today he targets Asian, and one day Asians diminish, which group he would target the next? Americans? Eastern Europeans? A whole can of worms, aye?

And what other policies does he have? What about the business growth, especially in the long run? What plan does he have? And with the freetrade coming, can he actually block a huge trade path (example: to China) and export our meat somewhere else? Are we going to lose potential income on this political maneouvre? What about the division between Maori and Pakeha, does he have any plans to avert this issue? And the welfare system overload? National Policing? The $3Billion lost on Tourism and Education sector this year? etc.

The business of running a country is not only dependant on one platform, mate. If it is, then I would have known which one to choose.

:whistle:

[James Deuce]

He's a sleaze bag with a veneer of policy so thin it's see-through. He has only one thing in mind: getting back into Parliament to continue the gravy train. He has less personal integrity than Peter Dunn, and that is saying something.

Whatever button he can push to get aged, white, working/middle class "Commonwealth" citizens (ex-pat Brits and Aussies, and conservative Kiwis, all of a certain age and above) to vote for him he will push irrespective of the consequences.

He's a racist, "realpolitik" politician of an old and fascist school.

[James Deuce]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is the "kiwi ethnicity" you mentioned?
The White? Or the Maori?

I saw it everywhere it says the Maori culture, but I think that has been lost a long time, mate.

Or do you mean "it's British Ancestry"?

Now you got me confused. If the Asians were to assimilate, which culture should they choose? The Maori as NZ original, or the White culture? If they choose the White culture, wouldn't NZ loose it's ethnicity and become simply a part of British?

:whistle:

Stop being a smart arse Marmoot. You know damn well that inside 300 years this will be a Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China.

[Marmoot]

Stop being a smart arse Marmoot. You know damn well that inside 300 years this will be a Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China.

I would hate it as much as you do, Jim.
Don't worry, we're on the same boat in this one.
But, as the focal point is about Winnie's policy, the argument is valid.

As about the "Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China", breeding cows in China is much cheaper than in here. Don't you realize the Chinese immigration has dropped by 80% already in the past year?

Oh, by the way, I wonder if that sentence is actually what Maoris were thinking when the Brittons came here?
"Stop being a smart arse my son. You know damn well that inside 30 years this will be a Pakeha dominated agricultural satellite state of England."
:wait:

[James Deuce]

I would hate it as much as you do, Jim.
Don't worry, we're on the same boat in this one.
But, as the focal point is about Winnie's policy, the argument is valid.

As about the "Han Chinese dominated agricultural satellite state of China", breeding cows in China is much cheaper than in here. Don't you realize the Chinese immigration has dropped by 80% already in the past year?

Oh, by the way, I wonder if that sentence is actually what Maoris were thinking when the Brittons came here?
"Stop being a smart arse my son. You know damn well that inside 30 years this will be a Pakeha dominated agricultural satellite state of England."
:wait:

That is actually EXACTLY what the NZ Company was thinking regarding the integration of NZ Maori during the colonisation of NZ in the 19th century. It is vital in any debate that you can see and understand BOTH sides of the argument. I just played the advocate for you, in a colloquial way, though with a friendly inclusive tone, and you've kicked me in the teeth for it. Is it any wonder that Inter-cultural communication between Asian migrants and NZ residents is so poorly managed when Asians typically refuse to attempt to understand the resident mind-set and insist that their cultural framework is the ONLY way forward.

As far as "breeding" cows in China, there is no co-ordinated breeding programme, so they are suffering quite badly from the genetic degradation of their stock. My father-in-law sells Jersey straws to Malaysia and China as part of a NZ sponsored initiative to establish a managed breeding programme in those countries.

No matter how big or economically powerful the country, NZ's agricultural expertise is still sought after because we have to manage difficult development programmes for stock and feed in a country that actually, despite its greeness, is missing a lot of the trace elements required to keep fauna and flora healthy.

Think before you assume you are being attacked for your ethnicity. Being called a smart-arse is a compliment in NZ. It means you have the wit to make someone feel like they've been duped.

You've also assumed that I would "hate" for NZ to become an Asian nation. I DO NOT LIKE BEING PATRONISED. Nor to I like words being placed in my mouth. I advocate for Asian immigrants as much as I can. I have no fear of change. All things change. I would prefer it to be managed change, and not the same old series of reactionary blunders that characterise Human history.

[T.I.E]

i don't want to admit it but i am slowly becoming racist. why?
because of bad habits and bad driving from other cultures. and they are dirty too.
and it seems to be races more than anything that make me put them into a catergory.

in the early 80's or pre that time it was islanders that were the problem.
now its the asian/indian people that are causing it.
and australians are always there.

i just don't want to have to put up with their attitudes or rudeness.
half the time they think they are above everyone and i'm sick of it.

but there are some that are great. what happened to the rest?

[Pixie]

:niceone:
Isn't New Zealand supposed to be a beautiful clean country???
So why the hell have do we have Helen Clarke as the face of our nation?
:niceone: :niceone: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :puke:

[Pixie]

Sorry to be ignorant, but what is the "kiwi ethnicity" you mentioned?
The White? Or the Maori?
:
Sheep. baa

[justsomeguy]

As an immigrant myself - all I'd like to say is that they should make it a LOT LOT LOT more stricter for people to come in.

My parents came in years ago through the points system which they qualified under due to their work experience, skills and education.

Now I'm not trying to be elitist. But we also have a huge group of people here with less that stellar job skills, recognition of qualifications, etc. And a lot of these poor (highly skilled in their countries) people end up stocking shelves in supermarkets, driving cabs and making burgers...... why??

So I for one am for stricter immigration.

[justsomeguy]

i don't want to admit it but i am slowly becoming racist. why?
because of bad habits and bad driving from other cultures. and they are dirty too.
and it seems to be races more than anything that make me put them into a catergory.

in the early 80's or pre that time it was islanders that were the problem.
now its the asian/indian people that are causing it.
and australians are always there.

i just don't want to have to put up with their attitudes or rudeness.
half the time they think they are above everyone and i'm sick of it.

but there are some that are great. what happened to the rest?

Wow - a few inflammatory general statements there........

But some truth in some of them.

One of the problems we have here in that one guy with skills comes in.. he then becomes a citizen and sponsors a dozen relatives here with no skills...... who just sit around and build their own little suburbs until we all end up with little india and little china and little korea, etc.

That one guy is great he works for a good company and pays good tax - but the remaining 12 people - :nono:

.................

[Marmoot]

Think before you assume you are being attacked for your ethnicity. Being called a smart-arse is a compliment in NZ. It means you have the wit to make someone feel like they've been duped.

I suppose I should say "thank you" instead.

However, on the "NZ to become Asian nation" point, I beg to differ. I am not patronizing in this, but I do hate to see it to happen. Afterall, that was why I came here and not to China.

[inlinefour]

W. Peter's tie.

There are my thoughts on the bloke...

[Aucker]

Hey guys and gals, Just wandering what everybody is thinking of Winnie these days?He's the Artful Dodger from waaaay back! He should never be trusted. :nono:

Whats with the politics talk anyway? isn't it one of the forbiden three subjects?

[Brian d marge]

This thread is possibly a good example of why I can only live in NZ for small periods of time before I get itchy feet and have to get my head clear , by living in other countrys
A cause of mis infomation ,,,is not having enough information ...or in other words not knowing HOW the other half lives ,,,,,
I for one would like to see MORE immigrants into NZ especially from Africa , and china /asia ..

New Zealand is a small dot in the sea that not a lot of people know about ...and the world is changing , and does things that just so happen to be different .( its not better or worse just different)

On a lighter note have you thought how other countries view NZ ??? I know a few people who think the hygiene habits are a lot to be desired ??

Nope ole Winne should be left to run a Fish and Chip shop with Pauline ,,,,and let us Normal folk live in piece
and why is this topic even being discussed.... as it doesnt amount to a hill of beans WHERE you come from ...there are arseholes in every country......


Stephen
Who is English , with an Irish Mother who lives in NZ ,,,,and I now Live in JApan ..

Thats not an Immigrant thats a frequent flying traveller !!!! :rofl:

[Jantar]

i don't want to admit it but i am slowly becoming racist. why?
because of bad habits and bad driving from other cultures. and they are dirty too.
and it seems to be races more than anything that make me put them into a catergory.

in the early 80's or pre that time it was islanders that were the problem.
now its the asian/indian people that are causing it.
and australians are always there.

i just don't want to have to put up with their attitudes or rudeness.
half the time they think they are above everyone and i'm sick of it.

but there are some that are great. what happened to the rest?


In the 60's and 70's it was the "whinging Poms;
In the 80's it was the Islanders;
In the 90's it was the Asians; :wait:

But Winnies out of date, its now the Arabs...

I never used to consider myself racist, but over the past decade I have started to recognise a racist trait occuring within myself at times. However Winnie is simply over the top. I think he stirs up the racial issues every election as he knows that inside everyone there is a lack of ethnic understanding.

He is on the right track in wanting to overhaul the immigration system and ensure that the immigrants we do do get will not cause the type of racial disharmony that we see cropping up, but his method is overkill.

Aunty Helen, on the other hand, is going the other way and appears to encourage immigrants from anywhere, and from any background. Hence NZ gets a reputation of being a soft touch.

Neither of these extremists will get my vote. :no:

[RON SOAK]

A fuckin sleezebag who'll play the Ace of Spades to get inta paliamint!
Should get Killed by Death:rofl:

[Phurrball]

W. Peter's tie.

There are my thoughts on the bloke...

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

Oh the hilarity!

Whatever you may think of Winnie, he is a consummate politician, and it never seems to amaze me how he pushes the 'right' buttons [no pun intended :msnwink:], at the right time, and keeps his party afloat in the house.

I, personally, would never vote for the guy. His ideas are extremist and disturbing. The foreign menace has oft been used to justify all sorts of expediency...think back over the last 100 or so years...Russians, Germans, Japanese...immigration dawn raids...etc.

It is sad that the race card has been, and probably always will be used with such disturbing regularity. It is always sure to stir up a hornet's nest on all sides of the political spectrum.

[Indoo]

I don't think Winston is as racist and ignorant as those who vote for him, he just simply knows how to ignite the small minded bigotry in people.

Hes unethical, lacking in character and morals and its just an embarrassment to New Zealand that he has any following whatsoever. Its a shame we can't trade those who vote for him, for intelligent, productive immigrants from elsewhere.

[Big Dave]

This post of yours is possibly a good example of why I think your a fuckwit homo.


Ah feels so much love in the room!
Are those cranky pants flouro too, hmmm?

[Brian d marge]

This post of yours is possibly a good example of why I think your a fuckwit homo.
If you like Japan or other countries so much then why dont you stay there and stop slagging off our country.

Your forefathers should have gone to Australia instead of here.
On a lighter note have you thought of what some people might think of you?
And like that an original bit of prose ....

And there you go Education at its finest ( I rest my case myludd) ...Its ( and I know your educated as you are in the proffession of helping others )

Its this closed mindedness... that drives me up the wall ... ( We laugh about americans assuming Us of A is no 1 .... but when it comes from close to Home ,,,,,, IT AINT SO FUNNY

I suggest u need to get out more :weird:

Stephen

[250learna]

Helen has left us with broken promises...im a student and i know that we get it sweet in NZ, but if you are not going to do something, dont use it as your sales pitch :mad:
politics :weird: so much lies...makes me sick

[Jantar]

...
politics :weird: so much lies...makes me sick

No, No, you don't understand: Politics is the art of decieving, and telling untruths, without actually lying.

Examples:

"No new taxes" means "we'll now call them government levies."

"No decision about (whatever) has been made" means "Cabinet knows what has been decided, but its not yet available for public knowledge"

"I did not tell the driver to exceed the speed limit" means "I only told him by what time he had be at Christchurch airport."

" I did not use those words." means "That's what I said but my pronounciation may have been different."

:confused:

[Fart]

*YAWN*

*YAWN*

Is Winston at it again? Is it that time of the year for an election?

Every election, Winston brings up the same issue of immigration and Asians to stir things up and gets our bloods boiling, so that the misinformed votes for him. *BIG Yawn. NZ First has little to no policies of their own and without fail brings in the race issue with every election. Look what happened to Pauline Hanson. Back to selling Fish and Chips? Maybe Winston should open a Dairy. If Winston doesnt bring up the race issue, he would be left without a job. The sad thing is that, he himself is an minority with an identity crisis. Maybe he doesnt have mirrors in his house, or is he simply a master in "Smokes and Mirrors"? :weird:

The world has become a global arena. NZ must either move to join the rest of the world or get left behind. For those who are still living underneath a rock and do not read, NZ has for the last 4-5 years, economic growth that have far exceeded most of the OECD countries. Economic growth means jobs and extra cash in all NZer's pockets, for those who are illiterate. :weird: Yes, thats right, even Auntie Helen is doing something right and taking care of the country.

I suppose there will be the few individuals who are never satisfied and likes to winge about everything and anything. Time to think for yourself instead of following the few who uses propaganda to cloud your mind? Time for some brain power, time for a Kit Kat!

What is a NZer?

[Rainbow Wizard]

He's (Winnie the P) a sleaze bag with a veneer of policy so thin it's see-through. He has only one thing in mind: getting back into Parliament to continue the gravy train. He has less personal integrity than Peter Dunn, and that is saying something.

:no: Right off the mark there Jim. I had to hold myself back from bad repping you for bad repping him. OK to say if you don't like him but from my discerning point of view Peter Dunne's integrity (and that of their party) is the highest of any current and newsworthy member of parliament. My vote this year will be split between support for them and for Act (on tax & bureacracy issues alone I must add). In the past I have voted for Winnie himself and only because I'm in his electorate, any representation other than by the big two has got to be more relevant than the "back pocket/back-scratching corruption that goes on in major party politics.

[TraD_MaN]

Isn't New Zealand supposed to be a beautiful clean country???
So why the hell have do we have Helen Clarke as the face of our nation?


lmao!! thats bloody brillant :niceone: :killingme :killingme :killingme


i carnt vote yet but wen i can im gona vote for winston hes got the right idears :niceone:

[James Deuce]

:no: Right off the mark there Jim. I had to hold myself back from bad repping you for bad repping him. OK to say if you don't like him but from my discerning point of view Peter Dunne's integrity (and that of their party) is the highest of any current and newsworthy member of parliament. My vote this year will be split between support for them and for Act (on tax & bureacracy issues alone I must add). In the past I have voted for Winnie himself and only because I'm in his electorate, any representation other than by the big two has got to be more relevant than the "back pocket/back-scratching corruption that goes on in major party politics.

Fair enough. :)

[Biff]

As a relative newbie I tend to avoid discussions on NZ politics. But as an 'outsider' all I see is a rascist attempting to ride on the back of public discontent. And when this prat talks of immigrants I presume, like most people, he refers to those with dark skin. Heaven forbid he's talking about us pleasant, law abiding, white folk. Like me.

[madboy]

Well while we're sharing our own personal opinions (be they misguided or not)...

As so many intelligent folk have point out prior - Winnie is just trying to get re-elected. His personal beliefs are centred around re-election. Some politicians choose taxes, some choose poverty, some choose marijuana... whatever works for them. Winnie chose immigration. Whatever you think of his morals or ethics (or lack thereof) he's still managed to stay in parliament for a bloody long time without actually ever standing for anything other than himself.

Now if we want to talk racism, I hate gook drivers, hate coconuts who bash their wives, hate da bros who don't f***ing work, hate the nargy(?) taxi drivers, hate the ragheads who expect me to subsidise their political asylum, and as for those black c***s that suck up all the state housing...

Have I left any stereotypical racial slurs out? Oh yeah, those f***ing skinheads who hate everyone who isn't of anglo-saxon descent.

Bring on the red rep fellas :Punk:

[Marmoot]

shi.....I think I pressed the wrong button.
Was gonna give green rep to Madboy but pressed the "report bad post" instead.

Hey moderator....I PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTON!

[250learna]

Well while we're sharing our own personal opinions (be they misguided or not)...

As so many intelligent folk have point out prior - Winnie is just trying to get re-elected. His personal beliefs are centred around re-election. Some politicians choose taxes, some choose poverty, some choose marijuana... whatever works for them. Winnie chose immigration. Whatever you think of his morals or ethics (or lack thereof) he's still managed to stay in parliament for a bloody long time without actually ever standing for anything other than himself.

Now if we want to talk racism, I hate gook drivers, hate coconuts who bash their wives, hate da bros who don't f***ing work, hate the nargy(?) taxi drivers, hate the ragheads who expect me to subsidise their political asylum, and as for those black c***s that suck up all the state housing...

Have I left any stereotypical racial slurs out? Oh yeah, those f***ing skinheads who hate everyone who isn't of anglo-saxon descent.

Bring on the red rep fellas :Punk:

woo hoo i dont fit into any of thouse,
can we be friends now? :ride:

[Lou Girardin]

When Winnie was Finance Minister in Bolger's Govt, he curbed some of the worst excesses of their New Right policies. That earned some of my respect. Now he's voicing some of the public's concerns that the more PC pollies won't mention. It may be inflammatory, but the issues are still valid.
I don't recall any party asking for a mandate to change the ethnic composition of NZ, we do need immigration but a balance should be found. Not one ethnic group becoming 12% to 15% of our population over 10 years.
Nor should immigration of this level be permitted without investment in infrastructure to cope.

[Sutage]

Screw winston peters, vote greens and that nandor tzancos dude !

[Marmoot]

Screw winston peters, vote nandos !

Nandos? Yeah, I quite like their chickens..... :yes:

[madboy]

Nandos? Yeah, I quite like their chickens..... :yes:Bloody yummy chickens! Expensive though compared to the mainstream takeaway outlets, but then you get what you pay for.

Now back to the racial slurs... The problem I see occuring is the influx of certain ethnicities who, for whatever reason, enter NZ, live in a particular suburb/area and associate only within their own culture. I think it's pure bad manners to move to someone else's country and then don't make an effort to fit it - when in Rome, do as the Romans do??

As that culture increases in size progressively through immigration and good old fashioned shagging (yep, apparently that is one thing all cultures have in common - who woulda guessed?). Sooner or later their culture will be of a size where they can elect political candidates, which will then influence the entire make up of our society. Birth rates among Euro descent people are down, while other cultures are growing steadily (or even rapidly). Since many of these cultures will stick together, the leftovers of the underdog psychology, rather than splitting the vote like the rest of us, it will be likely that they will develop a lot of power from a small % of the population.

I agree with cultural diversity. I don't mind my daughter learning an asian language at school - it will probably help her in the increasingly global marketplace that the asian economies will soon own. I can't see how counting to ten in Maori will do bugger all, though. But then it's politically incorrect to say that - it makes me a racist.

I reckon there's about 200,000 people who could do with a one-way air ticket outta here (to where I don't care), and the 250,000 who replace them can be more carefully selected and we don't let their 2nd cousin 15th removed in just cos they're here.

[Marmoot]

I reckon there's about 200,000 people who could do with a one-way air ticket outta here (to where I don't care), and the250,000 who replace them can be more carefully selected and we don't let their 2nd cousin 15th removed in just cos they're here.

That's a good way to put it.

[Badcat]

Nandos? Yeah, I quite like their chickens..... :yes:

mmmmmm - chicken........

[Sutage]

Madboy has it right.. its not the ethnicitys you bring in its the peolpe from them, there are jackasses in every country of every race, bottom line. i dont think we should be brining in "asians" or "indians" and then let them do stupid jobs like supermarkets etc
i know quite a few "asians" some from this site and they are great guys and NZ is lucky to have them, but there are some who just stick in their little mt albert chinese chip shop and do shit all to integrate into NZ society, which at the end of the day is mixed, always will be and thats how it should be

[Lias]

I'm quite seriously thinking about voting for NZ First this year because of the immigration policy.

I've always been "patriotic", I grew up with a love of NZ, kiwiana, and even as a child I absolutely loved watching documentaries and footage of earlier times in NZ. I love things like "the way we were" series etc. I dream of better days when our country wasn’t being flushed down the dunny by Comrade Clark and her politically correct sycophants.

I consider that NZ culture is made-up of European and Maori culture, and is unique. I believe that the massive influx of immigrants that has happened in recent decades is steadily eroding our culture, as is the regrettable influence of American TV.

Words cannot express the depth of my belief about NZ, but I will attempt to paraphrase as follows.

If you come to NZ, the only acceptable languages are English and Maori. Somalian is out, Chinese is out, French is out, Greek is out, and American spelling is DEFINITLY out.
If you come to NZ, our laws and way of doing things may be different, but you need to accept this adapt to us, not the other way around.
If you come to NZ, you can keep some of your culture but you also need to adapt and integrate into ours. Being a member of the Caledonian Society or the Sikh Society is fine, expecting to be allowed to wear a lavalava and speak Samoan at work is not.
If you come to NZ, and commit any reasonably serious crime before you are a full citizen, then you should be jailed, serve your full time, and then be deported home.
If you come to NZ, under false papers, false pretences, or as a “refugee” who paid a criminal group thousands to smuggle you in, then I believe you should be sent home. If you manage to destroy all your papers and we can’t prove where you came from, I think we should give you some water-wings, and drop you outside the 200 nautical mile limit.
I believe that Pacific Islanders should have to meet the same immigration criteria as any others, rather than being allowed unlimited entry up to a certain cap each year.
I believe that the Australians have it absolutely right with the way they are putting all the illegal immigrants into detention centers until they are proven beyond reasonable doubt to be genuine refugees.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Ahmed Zaoui in this country. He is a wanted criminal in france with terrorist associations, and fled to NZ on a false passport rather than answer to the french justice system.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Senee Niusila (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/461988%3fformat=html) in this country. He’s unemployed overstayer, who has two convictions for beating his wife, but has not been jailed or deported because his medical condition means he will die at home. Tough shit imo.

We have many problems in this country, in my mind the vast majority of them caused by the Labour governments, and in particular Comrade Clark. Immigration is one of the largest of these but not the only one.

Time for "Viva la revolucion"?

[ManDownUnder]

If you come to NZ, the only acceptable languages are English and Maori. Somalian is out, Chinese is out, French is out, Greek is out, and American spelling is DEFINITLY out.
If you come to NZ, our laws and way of doing things may be different, but you need to accept this adapt to us, not the other way around.
If you come to NZ, you can keep some of your culture but you also need to adapt and integrate into ours. Being a member of the Caledonian Society or the Sikh Society is fine, expecting to be allowed to wear a lavalava and speak Samoan at work is not.
If you come to NZ, and commit any reasonably serious crime before you are a full citizen, then you should be jailed, serve your full time, and then be deported home.
If you come to NZ, under false papers, false pretences, or as a “refugee” who paid a criminal group thousands to smuggle you in, then I believe you should be sent home. If you manage to destroy all your papers and we can’t prove where you came from, I think we should give you some water-wings, and drop you outside the 200 nautical mile limit.
I believe that Pacific Islanders should have to meet the same immigration criteria as any others, rather than being allowed unlimited entry up to a certain cap each year.
I believe that the Australians have it absolutely right with the way they are putting all the illegal immigrants into detention centers until they are proven beyond reasonable doubt to be genuine refugees.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Ahmed Zaoui in this country. He is a wanted criminal in france with terrorist associations, and fled to NZ on a false passport rather than answer to the french justice system.
I personally cannot comprehend how any kiwi can in good conscience support keeping Senee Niusila (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/461988%3fformat=html)in this country. He’s unemployed overstayer, who has two convictions for beating his wife, but has not been jailed or deported because his medical condition means he will die at home. Tough shit imo.

Time for "Viva la revolucion"?

MAAATE... big call dude.

While I disagree with some of what you say, and can agree with the sentiment of other aspects of it... I think the irony of your closing comment sums it up really.

Isn't it French?

Be careful what you ask for - those picking up the guns are most often the ones in the crosshairs...
MDU

[Lias]

Yes its french, and yes it was intended to be ironic.

[ManDownUnder]

We ARE a multicultural society - always have been. I think we need to open our borders to those in need - while maintaining the needs of New Zealand.

If we let everyone in - we can't afford to feed them - we all suffer - no sense in that.

That being said we have a responsibility as member of the international community to help those in need. Others have come to our aid in the past, now it's our turn to pitch in. No big deal - that's just life.

As for limiting people on certain characteristics they inherit (race, colour, language etc)... nup. That's just dumb. How about a practical approach like getting more skilled doctors (if we need doctors) or mechanics or those bringing in money or...

y'know - do an exchange of sorts where we both benefit.

Yes I expect whoever that arrives on our shores to assimilate into NZ. I do NOT expect them to throw away their culture or identity. If theft and fraud were ways of life in a foreign land (and lets face it - it is like that in many countries) then we need to point out how WE put food on the table, money in the bank etc.

They're doing it the way they know how - and if it's not acceptable then show/teach/warn them... and follow it up in a neutral way - same punishments as a native kiwi would have faced.

I'm not too keen on my taxes going on paying for people in prisons, and I think there should be a reclamation from their native government or similar if that's a way of achieveing it, but then I can also see a number of problems with that approach.

These issues need thought - thinking long and hard. If/when we get it right - we all benefit. Get it wrong and we lose.

MDU

[ManDownUnder]

Yes its french, and yes it was intended to be ironic.

uh huh... no NZ equivalent then?

[edit] - this is a genuine question... if there is one I'd love to hear it. One that is as eloquent, meaningful and captures the nuances of the "bring it on" sentiment

[Lias]

I believe it translate along the lines of "Long live the revolution", but it's a phrase thats been around for hundreds of years (since the french revolution)and has relatively wide recognition and political signifigance.

[Sutage]

uh huh... no NZ equivalent then?

How about "fuck helen clark"

:D

[Paul in NZ]

:yes:
Now back to the racial slurs... The problem I see occuring is the influx of certain ethnicities who, for whatever reason, enter NZ, live in a particular suburb/area and associate only within their own culture. I think it's pure bad manners to move to someone else's country and then don't make an effort to fit it - when in Rome, do as the Romans do??.

Rock on dude...

You are so right!!!!

It's about time those snobby white bastards moved outta those flash suburbs and started mixing with the Tangata Whenua eh! The buggers yabber on in their own lingo, keep to their own, have no regard for the law of the land, build their own churches and just won't adopt the local culture...

Cheers

[ManDownUnder]

I believe it translate along the lines of "Long live the revolution", but it's a phrase thats been around for hundreds of years (since the french revolution)and has relatively wide recognition and political signifigance.

Oh I know it's history, my point is - it HAS history... and thereby offers something to learn.

[ManDownUnder]

:yes:

Rock on dude...

You are so right!!!!

It's about time those snobby white bastards moved outta those flash suburbs and started mixing with the Tangata Whenua eh! The buggers yabber on in their own lingo, keep to their own, have no regard for the law of the land, build their own churches and just won't adopt the local culture...

Cheers

touche! (damn - wrong language.. or is it... hell I dunno)...

[Lias]

We ARE a multicultural society - always have been. I think we need to open our borders to those in need - while maintaining the needs of New Zealand.
I have no issue with this, except that I believe the needs of NZ need to come first.

That being said we have a responsibility as member of the international community to help those in need. Others have come to our aid in the past, now it's our turn to pitch in. No big deal - that's just life.
See above, pitching in is fine, as long as the needs of NZ come first, and I believe that a part of that is NOT taking criminals and leeches. Bring on the skilled professionals with a good work ethic regardless of race, colour or creed, but ship the scumbags back.

As for limiting people on certain characteristics they inherit (race, colour, language etc)... nup. That's just dumb. How about a practical approach like getting more skilled doctors (if we need doctors) or mechanics or those bringing in money or...
You had me till you said language. People cant change their race or colour, but they CAN learn to speak english, and I think they bloody well should if they want to come here.. How is any skilled professional (the immigrants we want) going to be able to function here if they dont speak English? No matter how many PHD's they have if they dont speak english they will almost certainly be on the dole.

Yes I expect whoever that arrives on our shores to assimilate into NZ. I do NOT expect them to throw away their culture or identity.
I dont expect them to throw it all away either, but they need to be Kiwi's first, and their origins second. I belong to a Caledonian Society, but you don't see me running around in a kilt and talking scots gaelic, or biff running around covered in blue paint and speaking welsh on a day to day basis do you?

They're doing it the way they know how - and if it's not acceptable then show/teach/warn them... and follow it up in a neutral way - same punishments as a native kiwi would have faced.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree on this.. I strongly believe immigrants should be deported if they commit serious crime. No matter what culture you are from, normal people still know right from wrong. I'm not talking shoplifting here, but in the last few years we've had the high profile Iraqi rapist, and the Tuvaluean wife basher, who've both been convicted of serious crimes, put back into our society and then offended again.

I'm not too keen on my taxes going on paying for people in prisons, and I think there should be a reclamation from their native government or similar if that's a way of achieveing it, but then I can also see a number of problems with that approach.
Prison's dont HAVE to be a tax burden, but the politically correct types make them cost us money. If you put all the prisoners (kiwi and immigrant!) on basic diets, took away all their tv's and gym equipment, and made them do hard labour they could potentially turn a profit. Put em to work in quarries and mines like they did in the old days.

If/when we get it right - we all benefit. Get it wrong and we lose.

I think it's already going very wrong, thanks to Comrade Clark and her band of politically correct morons.

[Marmoot]

I believe it translate along the lines of "Long live the revolution", but it's a phrase thats been around for hundreds of years (since the french revolution)and has relatively wide recognition and political signifigance.

Should've used that in the first place instead of the french. Or, where is your NZ pride? Is our English language less significant?

[Lias]

A: Because the french phrase is well known, and has a historical political meaning.
B: Because it was a nice touch of irony.

[Biff]

uh huh... no NZ equivalent then?

I though it was, "lets kickass bro".

[Wolf]

I belong to a Caledonian Society, but you don't see me running around in a kilt and talking scots gaelic, or biff running around covered in blue paint and speaking welsh on a day to day basis do you?
Hmmm, would pay to see that.

LiasTZ does get to see me running around wearing a torc on a day to day basis, but I'm weird.

[Ixion]

I belong to a Caledonian Society, but you don't see me running around in a kilt and talking scots gaelic, or biff running around covered in blue paint and speaking welsh on a day to day basis do you?


You mean that wasn't Biff I saw !? Oh dear Lord, are there two such people about ?

[jazbug5]

You do realise that the covered in blue paint and tripping-off-your-nuts-on-Fly-Agaric thing is a Pictish thing and therefore Scottish...? Just want to clear that up...

Oh, and Wolf... a Torc was a device for ritual sacrifice in Celtic society. Um. But then, you did say you were wierd..!

[Fart]

:yes:

Rock on dude...

You are so right!!!!

It's about time those snobby white bastards moved outta those flash suburbs and started mixing with the Tangata Whenua eh! The buggers yabber on in their own lingo, keep to their own, have no regard for the law of the land, build their own churches and just won't adopt the local culture...

Cheers


Now I know how the Maoris felt when Captain Cook started bring his white bros into NZ. Traded NZ for a basket full of muskets and force feeding the Christian religion onto the local Iwi.

Today, we are all paying for the Treaty Claims. Have we not learnt from our past mistakes?


ps: While travelling in London and Hong Kong in certain gatherings and pubs, I see alot of NZers sticking together and only hanging out with other NZers....ummmmm. :nono:


Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd; Bertrand Russell.

[Paul in NZ]

Dude ya gotta look at the big picture...

Immigrants tend to stick together for very good reason, often they are sponsored in by other families, it's a little frightening moving to a radically different culture, the support services are not very (um) supportive, the earning possibilities are low (remember all those Russian Fighter Pilot taxi drivers we had?) and most Europeans are about as welcoming and open as an angy weasel... It not always due to some sinister, diabolical plot by Johnnie Foreigner...

Go overseas and watch Kiwis and Aussies stick together.. Hell, go to Aussie where they have suburbs that are dominated by Kiwis...

Of course they speak their own lingo. It's bloody tiring speaking another language for a lot of people day in day out but lets face it, the language of business here is English!

It's a small world son. Ya gotta be adaptable...

You probably ride a Japanese bike made in a society alien to your beyond belief!

[Indoo]

See above, pitching in is fine, as long as the needs of NZ come first, and I believe that a part of that is NOT taking criminals and leeches. Bring on the skilled professionals with a good work ethic regardless of race, colour or creed, but ship the scumbags back.


If you want that definately don't vote New Zealand First. N.Z first is opposed to the immigrant group who are the hardest working, most productive and commit the least crime, merely due to the fact that they look different and talk different.

[Hitcher]

Isn't New Zealand supposed to be a beautiful clean country???
So why the hell have do we have Helen Clarke as the face of our nation?
Helen Clarke is the Black Sticks' goalie. Helen Clark is the Prime Minister.

[Hitcher]

I suspect there is a lot of attempted humour in the above posts, but the general sentiment is very disturbing. New Zealand has always been a nation of immigrants. There are no "indigenous" people here, just some who have been here longer than others. Some of us can trace our New Zealand ancestry back to the mid 1800s but that shouldn't give us any more "rights" than other law-abiding, tax-paying, citizens of this land some of us are proud to call home. If some rapid, red-necked, nazi wants something different for New Zealand, let them take it to the ballot box. History has proven that most thinking New Zealanders don't want a bar of them, and they are condemned to ring talkback radio for all eternity. While Winston Peters' recent comments resonate with some members of our community, most people value their vote(s) too highly to waste them on the Prince of the Porkbarrel.

[Fart]

NZ has come a long way from the old days.

I remember the days when you have to wait one-two months to have Telecom install a phone line and make it work.
I remember the days when eating out cost the earth and one can rarely afford to dine out. There was only a handful of restaurants to choose from.
I remember the days when shops all close at 5pm, weekends and public holidays.
I remember the days when cars and bikes were so expensive. NZ was full of run down old vehicles. A visitor once said that NZ was full of vehicles they have in their museum back home.

I prefer the NZ today where we have choices and freedom to make choices. Unless you want to live in the dark ages, we should all celebrate the wonderful country we have today. Multi-culture is a having the best of many worlds and we should treasure it. :niceone:

[Wolf]

Whats with the politics talk anyway? isn't it one of the forbiden three subjects?
Say what?

Dude, there's an entire thread devoted to "Religious Ravings" and ninety percent of the threads devolve to sex sooner or later (Biff only reads 90% of the threads) - I'd say that the "Forbidden Three" are alive and well here.

[Wolf]

I once voted for Winston Peters as he came across as on the ball and he promised "A vote for me is a vote against National"

He then promptly used his seats to form an alliance with National.

Since then I've deemed him to be lying scum - just like all the other politicians - and I have resumed my practice of scrawling "NO CONFIDENCE" across all the names on offer. If I can be arsed going down to the polling booth.

Frankly none of 'em are worth getting out of bed for.

And if I find out which prick in the "Christian Heritage" party was responsible for the automated phone call I once received asking me to vote for them, I'll show him/her exactly what an IT geek does to "spammers" of any description. Interrupt my "family-time" with bleating platitudes about how they're all about family values! Politicians, filth all of them.

Libertarian? Me? Why did you ask?

[madboy]

[QUOTE=Paul in NZIt's about time those snobby white bastards moved outta those flash suburbs and started mixing with the Tangata Whenua eh! The buggers yabber on in their own lingo, keep to their own, have no regard for the law of the land, build their own churches and just won't adopt the local culture...[/QUOTE]Yeah, and while I'm mixing with 'em, they'll "borrow" my late-model car and drive it back to my house where they'll camp on the front lawn and claim they got the raw end of a land deal back when my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was still a twinkle in his Australian mummy's eye.

[Lou Girardin]

Now I know how the Maoris felt when Captain Cook started bring his white bros into NZ. Traded NZ for a basket full of muskets and force feeding the Christian religion onto the local Iwi.

Today, we are all paying for the Treaty Claims. Have we not learnt from our past mistakes?


ps: While travelling in London and Hong Kong in certain gatherings and pubs, I see alot of NZers sticking together and only hanging out with other NZers....ummmmm. :nono:


Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd; Bertrand Russell.


So, in 20, 50, 100 years time we'll get our land back and/or huge monetary settlements from todays immigrants?
Excellent!

[Fart]

So, in 20, 50, 100 years time we'll get our land back and/or huge monetary settlements from todays immigrants?
Excellent!

I give up. :weird:

Oh well, back to watching Telly Tubbies.

God help us all.

[ManDownUnder]

So, in 20, 50, 100 years time we'll get our land back and/or huge monetary settlements from todays immigrants?
Excellent!

If I get to 136 I'll be happy... asking for money would be a bonus

[Fart]

If I get to 136 I'll be happy... asking for money would be a bonus

If we get to 136yrs old and manage to claim $400 million, our children and grandchildren will be the ones enjoying the pot of gold.

[ManDownUnder]

If we get to 136yrs old and manage to claim $400 million, our children and grandchildren will be the ones enjoying the pot of gold.

Yup - I'm not disagreeing...

I'm just saying I hope I have enough muscle tone so other aspect of my day are enjoyable. For example I'd like to be able to get up out of bed, stand up and not have all fluids and solids in my lower body spontaneously draining themselves out onto the floor.

Money would be good, but that'd be a really bad start to the day...

MDU

[Virago]

There is a valid theory that suggests that to be a supporter of Winston Peters, your age must be higher than your IQ. There seems to be a large number of people on this site who qualify :yes:

[Fart]

Maybe at 135, you can marry a 25 yr old blond bombshell with large breast. :devil2:

[Virago]

Maybe at 135, you can marry a 25 yr old blond bombshell with large breast. :devil2:
I guess that at the age of 135, one breast would be plenty? :msn-wink:

[idb]

There is a valid theory that suggests that to be a supporter of Winston Peters, your age must be higher than your IQ.
That sums up my thoughts on Winston Peters in a nutshell.
Thank you.

[Lou Girardin]

There is a valid theory that suggests that to be a supporter of Winston Peters, your age must be higher than your IQ. There seems to be a large number of people on this site who qualify :yes:

Well I'll be damned I've just set a new NZ record for longevity and I don't feel a day over 52.

[Lias]

There is a valid theory that suggests that to be a supporter of Winston Peters, your age must be higher than your IQ. There seems to be a large number of people on this site who qualify :yes:

Gordon Bennet that makes me ancient :-P

[Ixion]

Gordon Bennet that makes me ancient :-P


That makes you ancient.

[James Deuce]

Gordon Bennet that makes me ancient :-P

Ex-Bentley racer wasn't he?

[Ixion]

Ex-Bentley racer wasn't he?

Earlier than Bentley days . You're maybe thinking of Barney Barnato.

Gordon Bennet was a Yank newspaper editor, famous in his day for adventurous exploits He sent Stanley to look for Livingstone , and, more importantly, instituted a race on the Isle of Man called the Gordon-Bennett Motor Car Road Racing Trial, which a little later became the Tourist Trophy , and soon spawned a motorcycle offshoot. Which was of course, the TT.