Jail smoking ban: Quitting help needed

[Bald Eagle]

Prisoners would have access to quitting programmes, he said.

Yet another potential example of the 'offenders' getting better treatment than the public. we have to pay for our quiting programmes.

[Devil]

While I sympathise with your point, I think this is a fantastic opportunity to 'Break the cycle' as it were.

edit: That makes me sound like a smoker or ex smoker. I am not.

[p.dath]

Prisoners would have access to quitting programmes, he said.

Yet another potential example of the 'offenders' getting better treatment than the public. we have to pay for our quiting programmes.

I know someone who did a quitting programme recently, and the entire thing was Government funded - even the patches.

[Scuba_Steve]

They just need to use the "Bob & Steve" method of addiction stopping... A bullet to the crotch, it cures almost any addiction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CWZOj2lWWw#t=1m59s

[Mully]

I know someone who did a quitting programme recently, and the entire thing was Government funded - even the patches.

+1 me too.

Given the amount chucked into prisons, I can't see any harm in throwing a bit more to get them to stop smoking. It's the same reason I support dole recipients getting encouragement to quit too.

[CookMySock]

Good business for the guards in single cigarette sales! :niceone:

Steve

[oldrider]

prisoners would have access to quitting programmes, he said.

Yet another potential example of the 'offenders' getting better treatment than the public. We have to pay for our quiting programmes. "and theirs"

[The Pastor]

Prisoners would have access to quitting programmes, he said.

Yet another potential example of the 'offenders' getting better treatment than the public. we have to pay for our quiting programmes.

We will put you in the room full of hard men who have had their smokes taken away for a week, I'm sure they'd love to hear your reasons why no quitting programs are required.

Its moronic statements like yours that prove the low intelligence level of people. Whats the point of jail? Its a punishment for crime committed against society.

Currently In jail most of the time a prisoner spends is dead waiting time - surely the time could be better spent on educating and training the prisoners so that when they get out, they at least have an opportunity to do something else? I'm not naive to think that all prisoners will "change" their life, get a job and start paying tax, but some might, even if it is a minority or small percentage, the price would be worth it.

[shrub]

Absolutely, make them really suffer. Let's find ways to make prison even more stressful and violent and let's introduce another way to make money on the black market.

Forget about the silly idea of reintegrating them back into society, or rehabilitating them. Much better having them come out even more fucked up.

[rie]

Currently In jail most of the time a prisoner spends is dead waiting time - surely the time could be better spent on educating and training the prisoners so that when they get out, they at least have an opportunity to do something else? I'm not naive to think that all prisoners will "change" their life, get a job and start paying tax, but some might, even if it is a minority or small percentage, the price would be worth it.

They are not short of education and training programs in nz jails. We pay millions for it. We pay so much that Nat wants to privatise it for efficiency etc, etc (freemarket speech here)

[The Pastor]

Yeah, but they are not compulsory

[The Pastor]

Absolutely, make them really suffer. Let's find ways to make prison even more stressful and violent and let's introduce another way to make money on the black market.

Forget about the silly idea of reintegrating them back into society, or rehabilitating them. Much better having them come out even more fucked up.


So you'd rather make the problem worse than try and fix it?

There are two ways of stopping repeat crime, Remove the criminal permitaly or change the person.

Some people can't be changed, thats when my friend the .22 comes into play.

[mashman]

Yeah, but they are not compulsory

so you want to make education and training compulsory for inmates?

[shrub]

So you'd rather make the problem worse than try and fix it?

There are two ways of stopping repeat crime, Remove the criminal permitaly or change the person.

Some people can't be changed, thats when my friend the .22 comes into play.

Change the person? What is this crazy idea you have? Are you suggesting that we can actually reduce crime by looking beyond punishment? Good God man, have you not seen how the death penalty has dramatically reduced the homicide rate in the US? now if you'll excuse me, my pig has just flown off and I need to catch him.

[98tls]

They are not short of education and training programs in nz jails. We pay millions for it. We pay so much that Nat wants to privatise it for efficiency etc, etc (freemarket speech here)

Really,care to tell me about these education and training programmes.

[JimO]

Yeah, but they are not compulsory

neither is prison, you have to earn your way in to prison

[DMNTD]

so you want to make education and training compulsory for inmates?

Yes.........

[mashman]

Yes.........

:rofl: i'd pay per view to watch that :)

[DMNTD]

:rofl: i'd pay per view to watch that :)

I know of quite a few guys that have taken advantage of education offered and have made a positive step forward since coming back into the community.
I believe they should be "made" to educate themselves or remove whatever privilages they have

[mashman]

I know of quite a few guys that have taken advantage of education offered and have made a positive step forward since coming back into the community.
I believe they should be "made" to educate themselves or remove whatever privilages they have

Funnily enough I do agree with you, in general... but a 2 tier system inside of a prison... geez the ppv :)

[Mudfart]

dont beleive the hype the NZ news is shoving down our throats about smoking reducing stress, it actually increases your stress.
think about it. ciggies have narcotics in them. these drugs leave you with a feeling of being in a state of de stressed. all it is, is the drugs have slowed your blood flow.
ever noticed how much older long term smokers look, and as if they have been highly stressed all their lives? its because they live every 1/2 hour with AN ADDICTION TO DRUGS!!!
I have seen 20+ year-long term smokers, who have now quit, and by God, after several months, they look sooo much better.
Google: study finds smoking increases stress.
There have been many studies done in all the first world countries' universities, for many years now.
Also, the argument that banning ciggies will create a black market for tobacco in jails.
Bloody good idea, currently there is a strong market for mobile phones, methamphetamine (P), marijuana and home brew.
Most of these certainly DO NOT bring out the hello kitty side of the crim!!!!.
Its about time we said NO to willfully giving prisoners drugs in jail. This only aids rehabilitation, which is the doctrine of the govt, when trying to prevent reoffending, and using taxpayer money to do it.

[Milts]

I thought the government loved us smoking and didn't want people to quit, what with all the revenue it generated. At least I'm sure that's what people were saying in a recent thread about tobacco taxation.

And lol @ claiming tax pays for their smoking programs but not public ones.

That said, there are much worse things to be addicted to, and I'd rather have people addicted to something relatively harmless like tobacco.

But, in all honesty, I wonder what difference this will make to the deterrent factor in prison sentences...

[scumdog]

Really,care to tell me about these education and training programmes.

You would amazed at the number of ex-cons with mutiple drvers licence catagories, all gained as a result of being a prisoner.

[Wannabiker]

seems on One news tonight it may also act as a deterrent for going to jail......

[98tls]

seems on One news tonight it may also act as a deterrent for going to jail......

Sounds like a Tui ad to me.

[avgas]

That's a good initiative. For years they have been advertising that babies need to stop smoking. So they must be climbing the IQ ladder in the advertising division.

[blackdog]

why help prisoners stay alive longer?

on our tab.

shorter lives for prisoners=less tax dollars spent.

[mrchips]

One news.... ciggies are like gold & i believe it.

As an ex-smoker, i speak the truth when i say the average smoker would go without lifes basic necessities like food, clothing, shelter, alcohol & high class hookers before they ditch the ciggies.

Good luck !

[St_Gabriel]

In regards to the cost for non prisoners, have just given up less than a month ago, got free patches and gum (or patches and lozenges) from the quit line, ok well not free but 3 bucks per script, 6 bucks total compared to the cost of a pack of smokes?????
I also went to the docs to get some of them fancy "stop smoking" drugs expecting to pay around $150 for the pills but hey ho, the drugs are also subsidized. So for a total cost of 9 bucks and one doctors visit:
I have been quit for 3W 2D 22h 9m (23 days). I have saved $372.31 by not smoking 693 cigarettes. My Quit Date was 6/4/2010 10:30 PM

funnily enough, the repayments on my new bike ( a present from me to me for giving up) are less than the weekly cost of the ciggy's

[98tls]

In regards to the cost for non prisoners, have just given up less than a month ago, got free patches and gum (or patches and lozenges) from the quit line, ok well not free but 3 bucks per script, 6 bucks total compared to the cost of a pack of smokes?????
I also went to the docs to get some of them fancy "stop smoking" drugs expecting to pay around $150 for the pills but hey ho, the drugs are also subsidized. So for a total cost of 9 bucks and one doctors visit:
I have been quit for 3W 2D 22h 9m (23 days). I have saved $372.31 by not smoking 693 cigarettes. My Quit Date was 6/4/2010 10:30 PM

funnily enough, the repayments on my new bike ( a present from me to me for giving up) are less than the weekly cost of the ciggy's
Bugger,you almost had me there but the thought of a new motorcycle:sick:

[JATZ]

Naaah Fuckem....
Cold turkey I say, they broke the law and now must suffer the consequences.

@ st Gabriel, well done :2thumbsup:

[Woodman]

They will have to go cold turkey because patches are banned in prison.

OMG what will theprisoners use as currency now?? easy to drop shower soap???

[98tls]

Anyone that believes making a law banning smoking in prisons will ban smoking in prisons deserves to spend the rest of there lives posting shit on a motorcycle websitse which is obviously just another thing they know nothing about.