Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[jellywrestler]

WAYNE GARDNER Wonder what he's got to say about all the people dying from smoking around the world who were helped into it by seeing their heroes riding bikes with incredible talent they could only watch and dream about that were also mobile banners for ROTHMANS cigarettes and the like???????????????????????

[avgas]

http://www.crash.net/road+racing/news/161306/1/under_fire_gardner_renews_attack_on_tt.html
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[avgas]

yes Im very interested in rider safety Shaun.
You could almost say an 'invested' interest........ hahahaha
sorry I had to

[Str8 Jacket]

You could almost say an 'invested' interest........ hahahaha
sorry I had to

Maybe he's just angry cause no one is wearing his stuff at IOM.....?

[Tony.OK]

WAYNE GARDNER Wonder what he's got to say about all the people dying from smoking around the world who were helped into it by seeing their heroes riding bikes with incredible talent they could only watch and dream about that were also mobile banners for ROTHMANS cigarettes and the like???????????????????????

Oh don't start on that............thats my fav hobbie ;)

[avgas]

Fortunately, I neither know nor care what your definition of a motorcyclist is.

However, I have been involved in the running of a street race in the past (I was on the organising committee of the last Hamilton Street race a loooong time ago), and I have every respect for anyone who runs these events today in the face of current legislation.

I was the Race Secretary at that last event, and I can tell you there is no worse feeling than having a Police Sergeant step into your office and say "..one of your riders has just died, I'm shutting this race down.." Fortunately, as he was saying this, our boy was being revived (live on National TV), by our Club Doctor (who happened to be an ITU Intern) and both he and the race survived with no ill effects.

It is obvious to me that street races are going to become a more of problem to organise in the future and the uncontrolled example of the IOM plastered on the media just doesn't help.
So if they ban IOM......how long until your races are killed too?
Love it or hate it - motorbike racing has been and will always have death involved.
If you can not deal with this fact - I hope the balance of the rest of the committee can.
Its not like a model train convention as you of all people should know.

[avgas]

Maybe he's just angry cause no one is wearing his stuff at IOM.....?
I would do it, but IOM of man was going to be when I retired - and have both time and money to actually race.
However if some have their way in this thread - the only jackets will will be allowed to wear, are airbag ones that make a crash look like marshmallow pudding.

[sosman]

Nah just the peeps that are on KB these days have changed

Gardiner can fuck off and his lackies
I would love to race there and I love watchin. Certainly wouldn't race for sponsors or cash anywhere!!.

I couldn't enjoy something if I were only doing it for cash or sponsors?

Yep what he said.....If Gadiner want to save lives then he he should help the poor & suffering

[Biggles08]

How to be a Hypocrit, as above.

It is FACT, that road riders are killed on the roads in accidents, the above poster sells leather gear to road riders, so he can make money from the sale? and then has the arrogance to post shite like in this thread, wow, YES I am confused now

So it is OK for a person to set up a buisness selling product to make money from an industry that DOES have a Known Risk facture! ( And please do not say you are trying to keep people safe, other wise you would be selling it all at your cost if that was the truth) But if any induviduall wants to make there own decisions about there future they cannot, because people like above say so???

You still going on the organised road rides that kill people mate

You still riding on the road where people die mate

I know I was out of this thread but felt I had to say something here.

Shaun, I think this post was a bit off bro...whether you agree with Quasi or not. I'm not sure if there maybe history with you two, but attacking Quasi's motives or moral standings on motorcycle safety, based merely on his post's in this thread is wrong. I understand your passion for the IOM and that's fine, but other people are allowed to have a different opinion on any subject, even the IOM. I haven't seen any other people get personal in their post's until you came into this thread and I think it was a bit off. I was actually enjoying this debate and felt it was well represented from all sides until now.

Personally I am sponsored by Quasi and that was my choice to approach him for his gear, not the other way around. I have done my research on what gear I will and will not wear and Qmoto gear was MY FIRST CHOICE when it came to protecting my hide. Qmoto product regardless of whether you like Quasi or not, is among the best leathers available in NZ. The fact that he is involved in selling safety gear 'for a profit' has nothing to do with whether he 'cares' for peoples (motorcyclist's) well being or not!? In fact, because he is involved in selling safety gear re-enforces my belief that he does care about motorcyclist safety and has every right to have an opinion on this subject.

As for my thoughts on the subject, I hate seeing people I know and like die (RIP Paul). While I respect everyone's views on the IOM, I believe it was an epic event in context of when it was originally instigated, but with today's machinery and speeds involved, it is unfortunately a death trap waiting for its next victim. I guess this makes me a softcock.

[Ivan]

the problem is my intial reads of that thread I thought it was shit people saying ban it ban it and then it got worse and I can see why Shaun has come outr with what he has said when people make the Wanker comments like Donation time etc that is fucken off big time and I can completly understand why it would Fuck someone off especially someone who has raced there and knows alot of the other people who have lost there lives racing there and then arrogent pricks who sit behind computer names say shit like that and never go there themselves

[jellywrestler]

While I respect everyone's views on the IOM, I believe it was an epic event in context of when it was originally instigated, but with today's machinery and speeds involved, it is unfortunately a death trap waiting for its next victim. I guess this makes me a softcock.
fact is the first 100mph lap was in 57 0r 58 and the first 100mph lap on a production bike was in 1969, while 130 plus mph seems fast machine handling, safety barriers and bike reliability have all moved on to allow the current speeds

[FROSTY]

In my opinion. If you are ever even just dreaming of attending the IOMTT as a spectator "one day". Maybee dream of giving it a go or maybee have an actual plan of attack to do it then best to be defending it with everything you've got.
If you do some background research into the last few years of the race you'll see why.

Maybee I have a certain kind of insanity but I fall somewhere between option 2 and 3.I know I need to get out and do a truck load of laps before even thinking of giving it a go but I do want to race IOM.

[_Shrek_]

Ok they ban the TT then they ban road racing etc.... because people die, so what do the boy's :Oops: & some girls do, they go out to a location that can give them what the TT & other races gave them, have side bets etc... people die but they there again the next week, why coz theres something in side you that says YES thats me

way i see it leave the stuff thats in place, lots safer

as for me I would love to do the TT as well, but I don't have the $$$ or that skill level

so I'll carry on doing what I do to get that bit xtra when needed :shifty:

[CHOPPA]

In my opinion. If you are ever even just dreaming of attending the IOMTT as a spectator

Even though i am surprised it is still running, man i would love to go watch! I dont think my old man would let me even watch he would be worried I talk some sucker into lending me a bike.....

[Toaster]

What next? Riding covered in bubble wrap?

[onearmedbandit]

What next? Riding covered in bubble wrap?

Already done bro...

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[Big Dave]

Now show him the Gimp suit.

[Bren_chch]

Ban me if you must Mods?

K14, you better copy this reply to your post if you want to have me charged , as I am going to punch your mouth in with so much passion, and the moral support of over 200 men and there families, you out spoken piece of shit

You gana use a ladder?

[racer40]

You gana use a ladder?

For those of you that would like to do the IOM TT, do it & you will get hooked like Shaun, myself & most others that have done it. The organisers do thier best in making it as safe as possible, with airbags, new road surfacing, easing of corners, accepting entries from not just anybody. I was in the practise session after Roberts crash, & was also racing there when Stu was killed & although it was hard to carry on, we know the risk & the risk is worth it to ride at the worlds most challanging track

[gammaguy]

i think there are two categories of banning opinions in this world,at the risk of oversimplifying:

1)the opinions that want to ban things because they think the people doing them are putting themselves in danger,and directly or indirectly affecting people who have nothing to do with the activity,thus imposing their choices on others

2)the opinions that want to ban activities that are dangerous only to those directly involved.

I firmly believe the Isle of Man is in the second category,as almost invariably the only casualties are of those who CHOOSE to be there,either competing directly,spectating or drinking beer and riding round the island on mad sunday.Whatever their reasons,they are exercising their democratic right of free choice,and if they want to ride a motorcycle dam fast on a road i would not even ride my bike on at much over 100k,GOOD LUCK TO THEM.I have lost mates to the island,and although i will always be sad about their untimely loss,I will always comfort myself with the knowledge that they exercised their choice and died doing something they loved.

Beats wasting away in a old peoples home if you ask me

Wayne Gardner should know better

[Otis243]

This quote from the legend Gardener sums it up in my view ...


... I have met him on a number of occasions and he is to me, ...

I met Joey Dunlop once... Now he was a real legend !

[onearmedbandit]

Now show him the Gimp suit.

If he pays for dinner I might.

[Shaun]

yes Im very interested in rider safety Shaun.

Perhaps you need to walk away and settle the fuck down, just a suggestion


My above post, came from a lot of anger/dissapointment, I KNOW BRETT"S INTENTIONS ARE GOOD WITH HIS PRODUCT

[White trash]

My above post, came from a lot of anger/dissapointment, I KNOW BRETT"S INTENTIONS ARE GOOD WITH HIS PRODUCT

Awwwwww, gizza cuddle little fella........

[Shaun]

Awwwwww, gizza cuddle little fella........


Haha it just off the point a little there

[Quasievil]

My above post, came from a lot of anger/dissapointment, I KNOW BRETT"S INTENTIONS ARE GOOD WITH HIS PRODUCT

Its was all just kb drivel and discussion Shaun chill baby, btw its one "T" hehehe

[Shaun]

Joint statement from John Hepburn and Shaun Harris

Fuck we must be LOOSERS

Robert Holden used to say, “ If you are going to have fun, make sure you do”

Many of us have chosen the path to the Isle on Man, for different reasons, it has been for all us, about the challenge involved in racing in such an environment, it was started when men were men, and Sheep were afraid, and some of us in life, enjoy the pleasure from task involved in racing there.
Unless you have actually raced there, you have NO idea of what is involved in the challenge of competing there.

So the TT has a history of Death involved, so do many things in life, i.e., driving your dam car down the road

Do a search on the Statistics involving DEATHS from people going land based FISHING in New Zealand????? Now should we also Ban this????
Statistics and reality are shocking shit folks.

I know the path is bent that we ride on, but as an individual, do I/WE not have the write to do with our lives what we choose to, with the support of our family and friends? Excuse US for coming across a little strong on this point, but for any one out there in the computer world to tell me I should not race there, Fuck off, and get your own life. We pay all our own Insurance costs, so any accidents have NO come back on the local economy, so we are of NO bother to any one of you out there.

I personally need nothing apart from a little more time, to go back and race there again, and I am doing this with the support of my Wife Fiona, who will be there with me, as she Knows who and what here man is, and what is important to me as her man.

ON Behalf of John Hepburn who cannot be bothered posting in this, as he is way to angry at a lot of the stuff people have typed in this Thread with No knowledge or thought about the subject really, nor any consideration to the family members that may be reading all they can still about there man and the environment we are talking about

We all do the crime Knowing what the time can be!!!!!

So sit down and shut up please

[onearmedbandit]

Thank you Shaun and John. Now that a number of riders who have raced there and understand the risks, challenges, highs and lows of a such an event, riders who have paid their own way there, with the support and understanding of their friends, family and other loved ones, can we now understand that if these people choose to do this that it is their decision, which doesn't affect any of us in any way.

Forget the argument that the sport damages the reputation of motorcycling. There are far greater battles for you to fight, starting right outside your own driveway. Forget about a sanctioned race that happens once a year half way around the world. Let those that choose to compete compete.

[White trash]

Joint statement from John Hepburn and Shaun Harris

Fuck we must be LOOSERS

Robert Holden used to say, “ If you are going to have fun, make sure you do”

Many of us have chosen the path to the Isle on Man, for different reasons, it has been for all us, about the challenge involved in racing in such an environment, it was started when men were men, and Sheep were afraid, and some of us in life, enjoy the pleasure from task involved in racing there.
Unless you have actually raced there, you have NO idea of what is involved in the challenge of competing there.

So the TT has a history of Death involved, so do many things in life, i.e., driving your dam car down the road

Do a search on the Statistics involving DEATHS from people going land based FISHING in New Zealand????? Now should we also Ban this????
Statistics and reality are shocking shit folks.

I know the path is bent that we ride on, but as an individual, do I/WE not have the write to do with our lives what we choose to, with the support of our family and friends? Excuse US for coming across a little strong on this point, but for any one out there in the computer world to tell me I should not race there, Fuck off, and get your own life. We pay all our own Insurance costs, so any accidents have NO come back on the local economy, so we are of NO bother to any one of you out there.

I personally need nothing apart from a little more time, to go back and race there again, and I am doing this with the support of my Wife Fiona, who will be there with me, as she Knows who and what here man is, and what is important to me as her man.

ON Behalf of John Hepburn who cannot be bothered posting in this, as he is way to angry at a lot of the stuff people have typed in this Thread with No knowledge or thought about the subject really, nor any consideration to the family members that may be reading all they can still about there man and the environment we are talking about

We all do the crime Knowing what the time can be!!!!!

So sit down and shut up please

Who the hell is John Hepburn? Not that fmous truck driver is it?

Seriously though, the naysayers aren't saying you guys shouldn't race there, they're saying the whole event should be closed. The lines have just got a little blurred somewhere is all and there is a very real difference.

That being said, I don't agree with either sentiment and long may the IoM TT continue.

I can't see any further contributions other than what's already been said so perhaps this whole thread needs to be closed?

[Matt Bleck]

Can I add one more thing Shaun, is it correct that you will not ride on public roads?

This say's it all to me, Shaun feels SAFER racing the IOM TT than riding on the road with Joe Public!


Joint statement from John Hepburn and Shaun Harris

Fuck we must be LOOSERS

Robert Holden used to say, “ If you are going to have fun, make sure you do”

Many of us have chosen the path to the Isle on Man, for different reasons, it has been for all us, about the challenge involved in racing in such an environment, it was started when men were men, and Sheep were afraid, and some of us in life, enjoy the pleasure from task involved in racing there.
Unless you have actually raced there, you have NO idea of what is involved in the challenge of competing there.

So the TT has a history of Death involved, so do many things in life, i.e., driving your dam car down the road

Do a search on the Statistics involving DEATHS from people going land based FISHING in New Zealand????? Now should we also Ban this????
Statistics and reality are shocking shit folks.

I know the path is bent that we ride on, but as an individual, do I/WE not have the write to do with our lives what we choose to, with the support of our family and friends? Excuse US for coming across a little strong on this point, but for any one out there in the computer world to tell me I should not race there, Fuck off, and get your own life. We pay all our own Insurance costs, so any accidents have NO come back on the local economy, so we are of NO bother to any one of you out there.

I personally need nothing apart from a little more time, to go back and race there again, and I am doing this with the support of my Wife Fiona, who will be there with me, as she Knows who and what here man is, and what is important to me as her man.

ON Behalf of John Hepburn who cannot be bothered posting in this, as he is way to angry at a lot of the stuff people have typed in this Thread with No knowledge or thought about the subject really, nor any consideration to the family members that may be reading all they can still about there man and the environment we are talking about

We all do the crime Knowing what the time can be!!!!!

So sit down and shut up please

[jellywrestler]

Who the hell is John Hepburn?


John Hepburn is from Timaru, he was the first man to complete Six IOMTTs in one week, scoring bronze replicas in all six. Silver replicas are awarded to riders who finish within 5% of the winners time, Bronze to those who finish within 10% of the winners time.
yeah he did race trucks too, think he got his training for that after racing a Hayabusa!

[White trash]

John Hepburn is from Timaru, he was the first man to complete Six IOMTTs in one week, scoring bronze replicas in all six. Silver replicas are awarded to riders who finish within 5% of the winners time, Bronze to those who finish within 10% of the winners time.
yeah he did race trucks too, think he got his training for that after racing a Hayabusa!

Thanks Spyda, I was actually being facetious lol. I know full well who Mr Hepburn is having watched him race many many times.

[javawocky]

In other news, I suppose the IOM is similar to the running of the bulls in Spain every year. Probably equally insane, but the fatality rate seams lower... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10657306

[Katman]

I think the real lunacy of the event is that they allow a free-for-all Mad Sunday.

If the true extent of that part of the event became widespread public knowledge the whole thing would probably be shut down in a heartbeat.

[White trash]

I think the real lunacy of the event is that they allow a free-for-all Mad Sunday.

If the true extent of that part of the event became widespread public knowledge the whole thing would probably be shut down in a heartbeat.

What's ironic, is technically, Mad Sunday is safer than non TT week due to the fact that traffic travels only one way. Some sections of the road actually have no speed limit on any weekday and traffic can travel both ways.

Which is safer?

[Katman]

What's ironic, is technically, Mad Sunday is safer than non TT week due to the fact that traffic travels only one way. Some sections of the road actually have no speed limit on any weekday and traffic can travel both ways.

Which is safer?

I imagine the number of wannabes intent on carving each other up on a non-TT week would be considerably less than on Mad Sunday.

[PirateJafa]

I imagine the number of wannabes intent on carving each other up on a non-TT week would be considerably less than on Mad Sunday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3HadSvwy08

[Quasievil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3HadSvwy08

No Amount of safety or track modifications can safe a plonker like that lol

[PirateJafa]

No Amount of safety or track modifications can safe a plonker like that lol

I always sigh when I think that people like that are sharing the same road as me.

The worst part of that video is how he nearly resulted in two other bikers going down too. Feel free to remove yourself from the gene pool, but don't take innocent parties with ya.

And to stay on topic, I see no reason for the IOM TT to be banned. Although I can pretty much guarantee that I would never have the balls to race there, at some point before I expire, I would dearly love to go there one year to watch.

[slowpoke]

As someone who himself got his cranky pants on in a related thread I was gonna leave this (and KB) the hell alone for a while, for the good of all concerned. But WTF.........

From an "also-ran's" perspective: my loving partner would like nothing more than to see me coming off track with a grin like a split watermelon, but she also has huge concerns about even answering the phone on race day lest there be an unfamiliar voice on the line bearing bad news. So I continually struggle with balancing what I've spent far too many years dreaming of doing against hurting the person I care most about in the world. It ain't easy.

To make it worse, I'm not even any good at it, and have only ridden closed relative goat tracks, so I can only imagine the lure that amazing road on the IoM must have for guys ridng in the wheel tracks of Ago, Hailwood, Dunlop, Fogarty, Hislop, Jefferies etc, let alone the guns like Shaun, Bruce Anstey, and co who actually get to follow their footsteps onto the podium.

It's that old saying: never risk what you can't afford to lose, eh? In this case you are risking life itself. But here's the tricky bit that is screwing with everyones heads and hearts: some folks would say dying is losing your life, whereas others feel that turning down/banning the ultimate racing challenge would be losing one of it's most intense life affirming moments, for both racers and spectators alike. I've only ever seen video footage but it still blows me away every time I watch it.

In a way we're lucky that it's on the other side of the world and only the best and/or most dedicated Kiwi racers venture over there. Sadly it also means they are the very guys we lose when the worst happens......but I'd never deny them such a unique and amazing experience. Short of a talent transplant I'll never get to experience it for myself and I don't know whether I should be relieved or disappointed.

[jonbuoy]

I think the real lunacy of the event is that they allow a free-for-all Mad Sunday.

If the true extent of that part of the event became widespread public knowledge the whole thing would probably be shut down in a heartbeat.

It is common knowledge in the UK, but it still takes a fair amount of effort and expense to make it to the Island (depending on where your coming from). Isn´t it better that they set out a day for anyone with racing aspirations to get it out of their system in a controlled way? Everyone else can stay off the roads and have a quiet day at home reading the papers. The Nurnberg ring has claimed a fair few over the years (between 3 and 12 per year on track days), ironically the German government also see that its a free world for people to make their own choices. Riding round the Coromandle loop like your on the TT on a regular weekend day - that's another story.

[Rick 52]

Wayne Gardner is so wrong ! He needs to talk to the riders that do it to understand, go for the week to feel what its about ,Its not about the money it costs heaps for the newer riders just to get there .My mate was born on the Island and nearly spent every penny doing the Manx then the TT on a TZ250 , I have seen Joey Dunlop at the Southern 100 in the IOM win every race he didn't need to go he was loaded by then out of the back of a old van , Its because you love it . I was at the TT this year and loved every min of it but Its always hard when someone has a crash your hart sinks its a cruel sport when it goes wrong But I for one will not be wrapped in cotton wool just as Wayne Gardner wasn't when he was risking life and limb he has turned into a grand farther with a different mind set . Go to the TT and understand !!

[ellipsis]

....the only posts I can understand are coming from people who know what the TT is, cant undertstand where an opinion that contradicts others rights and aspirations to play in an area of OUR sport that takes some special types to do it, come from. All this shit about bringing OUR sport into some kind of unfavourable thing to look upon is just that, shit, its always been that way. Been to the island a lot ,wanted to since I read my first Motorcycle Weekly in the 60s as a kid,ended up being the only other part of the planet that interested me.Was really disappointed when Sheene and co said no to the island, but they didnt try and kill it, they just didnt race there, their option. Never stopped me appreciating every second he was on a bike after that. Met Joey there in 80, he didnt realise then that he would be King Of The Mountain, was looking out for him at Governors Bridge the next year, I was about the only other person there apart from a volunteer to the local constabulary and he was looking out for a family of blue tits that had nested in a stone wall, making sure no-one fucked with them, thats the island, Joey didnt come round when I thought he would, it was Dennis Ireland who came through first.My smile hurt all the rest of the day. A german sidecar swinger died in front of a heap of us the next day, the smile disappeared all over the island , racing carried on, thats the island. A mate of all of us died at a street race down here a while ago, racing carried on, thats what we do. Was having this conversation with a man who has a few silver stars from some years back, he commented that in his last visit to the island a couple or so years ago about the amount of changes to make the circuit safer had happened since he raced there. What right has Wayne Gardner , nothing against the ozzy , to get on his high horse now, to Wayne Gardner and to those who are favouring his opinions. FUCK OFF. But everyone has their opinions, their fears to face , their cocks to wring...

[avgas]

I think the real lunacy of the event is that they allow a free-for-all Mad Sunday.
If the true extent of that part of the event became widespread public knowledge the whole thing would probably be shut down in a heartbeat.
Or promoted.
Lord knows we have a population problem. Let the squids go for it.
In fact put the soft-cock protesters in front of them and kill off both my problems.

[avgas]

I don't know whether I should be relieved or disappointed.
Consult a doctor

[wharfy]

at some point before I expire, I would dearly love to go there one year to watch.

Oh yeah, its gotta be done, no amount of watching TV footage can do it justice. I've watched plenty of street races and the cliffhanger hillclimb, but the TT is bigger and better and faster, and the beer is better too...

[steveyb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3HadSvwy08

I think that the yellow bike acutally did hit the camera bike as it was buncing around.
That plonker fell into the easiest trap of an inexperienced rider or racer (who knows though if is inexperienced or not though), that he fixated on where he was starting to go rather than where he wanted to go.
He was not even going very fast, but if he had made sure that he was focussing on being up the road rather than "oh shit I'm running wide, oh shit the bank, oh shit...." he would most probably have made the corner with room to spend.
But there you go ay, just like that.....

[Katman]

I can't help but wonder if the fact that the event organisers are happy to accommodate such idiocy as Mad Sunday, might not hint at the possibility of a slightly cavalier attitude towards safety over the whole event.

[Deano]

I can't help but wonder if the fact that the event organisers are happy to accommodate such idiocy as Mad Sunday, might not hint at the possibility of a slightly cavalier attitude towards safety over the whole event.

Or maybe they are just devout Darwinians.

[Ducatifusion]

Bugger me, you guys seem to think your in court trying to convince a jury. No one is goning to win here and no won is 100% right.
We are ment to love Motorcycles and Motorcycling.
Most guys racing the Battle of the Streets do it for the thrill of racing a motorcycle and most spectators are there for the same reason.

[emaN]

I rode there in 04 before the Mountain section was "one way-ed" and rode there in 07 when it was "one way".
The difference was huge.
Mad Sunday was no longer the day when thousands of riders went balls-out-crazy, as by then we'd all had a week of the Mountain section all one-way to play on.
Felt loads safer. Although we still made a conscious effort to just do the one lap & get back to camp and park up.

[manxkiwi]

I can't help but wonder if the fact that the event organisers are happy to accommodate such idiocy as Mad Sunday, might not hint at the possibility of a slightly cavalier attitude towards safety over the whole event.

Nobody 'accommodates' anything. 'Mad Sunday' is a name, that's all. All those people are going around everyday. It's a public open road as it always is outside road closures. I can also assure you that there's nothing 'cavalier' about the safety attitude of the organisers. The TT has changed heaps in recent years for the sake of safety. You can't 'make it safe'. But they do all they possibly can.

The TT really must be experienced for anyone to understand what it's all about.

[Katman]

Nobody 'accommodates' anything. 'Mad Sunday' is a name, that's all. All those people are going around everyday. It's a public open road as it always is outside road closures. I can also assure you that there's nothing 'cavalier' about the safety attitude of the organisers. The TT has changed heaps in recent years for the sake of safety. You can't 'make it safe'. But they do all they possibly can.

The TT really must be experienced for anyone to understand what it's all about.

Hey, even the Cold Kiwi (not known as a paragon of sense and sensibility) closes down the hill climb after the event finishes (since someone was killed on it a few years ago).

[ashracer]

My God where do you start, well firstly by saying all you people who have never been to the IOM TT, do the honorable thing & remove your comments with an apology as you are not qualified to comment on something you have never been to. Such comments as the ise of man needs the money, what a load of shit. The IOM is not fucking Samoa!! its a wealthy self goverend island (The oldest continous government in the world) that does not rely on the beer money of 40.000 motorcycle fans to survive. Yes if you own a pub, hotel, burger bar you will do well over the TT fortnight. I have been 10 times, got to meet some great people, been pit crew for 7 TT's and spectator for 3.
As for the comment that people go to see a fatal crash?? once again what a load of crap, i have never meet any one that is not there for the racing. Mad sunday? its just a name, you can ride around the circuit any day of the week (Ecxept when the racing is on) i have never raced there but have done lots of laps on bikes from a TDM 850 to a variety of borrowed sports bikes over the years. Even done lots of laps in rental cars to know the track so you can have a conversation with a rider about the track.

In the words of the David Jefferies who i had the great privilage of having had a beer with;

Those who risk nothing,
Do nothing,
Achieve nothing,
Become nothing.

[avgas]

Hey, even the Cold Kiwi (not known as a paragon of sense and sensibility) closes down the hill climb after the event finishes (since someone was killed on it a few years ago).
With pussy comments I see in the rest of this thread - I am surprised I am still allowed to ride a motorbike on the road.

[Dreama]

I for one withdraw my support for the event to come to an end having read most of the posts here and then deciding that indeed, the event is bigger than anything I imagined it is, obviously since I've never been ( but make no mistake ...I have always wanted to go to ... and compete).
I do feel the posts supporting the closure have been generally more intelligent reading than the emotional opponents of closure, but that's what happens when passion is involved.

However, from the beginning my only point was this .... when is it time to say enough is enough ?? ...... regarding specifically the big modern bikes ... ie, at what point do they become too insanely fast to race at maximum speeds around narrow country roads.

[dipshit]

regarding specifically the big modern bikes ... ie, at what point do they become too insanely fast to race at maximum speeds around narrow country roads.

Nobody cares apparently.

Motorbikes are ridden by big tough men that don't give a fuck about such things... so it seems.

[Rick 52]

Those who risk nothing,
Do nothing,
Achieve nothing,
Become nothing.

Brilliant!! Well said !! DJ what a great bloke

[CHOPPA]

Those who risk nothing,
Do nothing,
Achieve nothing,
Become nothing.

Brilliant!! Well said !! DJ what a great bloke

Thanks for that! I might go do that bank job ive been planning... what does the misses know!

[wharfy]

Brilliant!! Well said !! DJ what a great bloke

Thanks for that! I might go do that bank job ive been planning... what does the misses know!

Thats my retirement plan - If I get away with it I'll be set - if I don't then, that will be my retirement taken care of :)

[jellywrestler]

Hey, even the Cold Kiwi (not known as a paragon of sense and sensibility) closes down the hill climb after the event finishes (since someone was killed on it a few years ago).

no one has ever been killed at the cold kiwi or indeed seriously injured, just the odd collar bone etc, bit of liver damage from time to time there though

[ashracer]

...... regarding specifically the big modern bikes ... ie, at what point do they become too insanely fast to race at maximum speeds around narrow country roads.

Unfortunately the manufacturers lost interest in 750's so its 1000cc or 600cc for everyone. The sidecars were reduced from 1000cc (to 600) in 1980.
What was considered the "amature classes " have also been dropped, no 125, 250, 400cc classes or super singles any more, to stop less experienced riders.

[Katman]

no one has ever been killed at the cold kiwi or indeed seriously injured, just the odd collar bone etc, bit of liver damage from time to time there though

My apologies if I've got it wrong Spyda. I thought that someone was killed (or at least seriously injured) a few years back riding it pissed (maybe on the Friday) which was what prompted the hill climb to be netted off.

[gixerracer]

Couldnt have said it better
My God where do you start, well firstly by saying all you people who have never been to the IOM TT, do the honorable thing & remove your comments with an apology as you are not qualified to comment on something you have never been to. Such comments as the ise of man needs the money, what a load of shit. The IOM is not fucking Samoa!! its a wealthy self goverend island (The oldest continous government in the world) that does not rely on the beer money of 40.000 motorcycle fans to survive. Yes if you own a pub, hotel, burger bar you will do well over the TT fortnight. I have been 10 times, got to meet some great people, been pit crew for 7 TT's and spectator for 3.
As for the comment that people go to see a fatal crash?? once again what a load of crap, i have never meet any one that is not there for the racing. Mad sunday? its just a name, you can ride around the circuit any day of the week (Ecxept when the racing is on) i have never raced there but have done lots of laps on bikes from a TDM 850 to a variety of borrowed sports bikes over the years. Even done lots of laps in rental cars to know the track so you can have a conversation with a rider about the track.

In the words of the David Jefferies who i had the great privilage of having had a beer with;

Those who risk nothing,
Do nothing,
Achieve nothing,
Become nothing.

[gixerracer]

From what I have heard over the years you are pretty lucky no body killed you as the seem to struggle to get to grips with you humour????????/
no one has ever been killed at the cold kiwi or indeed seriously injured, just the odd collar bone etc, bit of liver damage from time to time there though

[jellywrestler]

From what I have heard over the years you are pretty lucky no body killed you as the seem to struggle to get to grips with you humour????????/
I offer free ear plugs which has probably saved me a few times.
Hey Craig are you going to the Cold Kiwi this year? let us know please; so the club can put on extra helpers to keep the sand traps up to your standards

[roadracingoldfart]

Hey Craig are you going to the Cold Kiwi this year? let us know please; so the club can put on extra helpers to keep the sand traps up to your standards

I hope ther is room to place it AFTER the finish line Spyda . A new entertainment package for the Kiwi could be Buckets and Spades in the sandpit with extra points for teams entering.

[sinfull]

Lets have events that encourage dying, who are the dead guys next year, a few low ranked riders in pursuit of some cash.
Or death ? cooooool, i've got till Friday !

[Goblin]

Hey Craig are you going to the Cold Kiwi this year? let us know please; so the club can put on extra helpers to keep the sand traps up to your standardsHe's far too soft to go to a Kiwi. Those pretty lips might get chapped.:innocent:

[Kickaha]

Bit of a thread dredge but an interesting comparison
http://www.visordown.com/features/mount-everest-vs-the-isle-of-man-tt/18839.html

[White trash]

Bit of a thread dredge but an interesting comparison
http://www.visordown.com/features/mount-everest-vs-the-isle-of-man-tt/18839.html

Bloody interesting and a very good comparison.

[Shaun]

I for one withdraw my support for the event to come to an end having read most of the posts here and then deciding that indeed, the event is bigger than anything I imagined it is, obviously since I've never been ( but make no mistake ...I have always wanted to go to ... and compete).
I do feel the posts supporting the closure have been generally more intelligent reading than the emotional opponents of closure, but that's what happens when passion is involved.

However, from the beginning my only point was this .... when is it time to say enough is enough ?? ...... regarding specifically the big modern bikes ... ie, at what point do they become too insanely fast to race at maximum speeds around narrow country roads.



I choose to go with having the Choice in life in doing what I want to do with my life, so if that means I am prepared to risk my life at high speed at the TT, that is my choice!

More exciting than dying on the motorway due to a drunken driver

[Bikemad]

how many mountaineers die every year tryin to climb Everest!!!!.......or any other mountain on the planet...............BAN MOUNTAIN CLIMBING NOW!!!

[crazy man]

I fully Support Mr Gardener actually, and good on him for voicing his opinion.
Events with a Death rate like this shouldn't be promoted and held.

Bikers think they are invincible, once they are dead its to late to change their opinion.

If Pukekohe had a crash rate with every nationals round of one or two riders would you accept this as an event............no (be honest)l fully agree

[James Deuce]

Alright for him to run over someone's head. Not alright for other people to have the same chance.

[gatch]

I don't think it should be banned at all. No.

As humans we indulge in all kinds of things that see us killed on a regular basis, yet we don't stop. Don't want to stop. CAN'T stop. Smoking, boozing, fighting wars, driving our cars, flying airplanes, painting our roofs, eating peanuts, large scale construction projects, mining, deep sea fishing, professional fighting, contact sports, extreme sports, other forms of motorsport.... All see people seriously maimed or dead, every year.

The men and women that compete in the TT cannot reach that level of skill, without knowing the risks they face. They know that should they make a fuck up, they could die, or end up a vege, or looking like shaun harris. Yet racers come to race year after year. They WANT to be there. Volunteers still volunteer. Organizers are still organizing. Fans still cheer for their heroes.

The people want the TT.

[eelracing]

Alright for him to run over someone's head. Not alright for other people to have the same chance.

Different scenario tho James,that happenad at a GP track.
And I reckon he panicked and ran into Wayne,rather than the other way round.

[Kickaha]

The men and women that compete in the TT cannot reach that level of skill, without knowing the risks they face. They know that should they make a fuck up, they could die, or end up a vege, or looking like shaun harris.

Is that what happened to him? I just thought he was born ugly :shifty:

[gatch]

I just thought he was born ugly :shifty:

Scientists still haven't figured it out.

[James Deuce]

Different scenario tho James,that happenad at a GP track.
And I reckon he panicked and ran into Wayne,rather than the other way round.
I'm not even going to go look for a face palm picture.

[codgyoleracer]

Originally Posted by Quasievil
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I fully Support Mr Gardener actually, and good on him for voicing his opinion.
Events with a Death rate like this shouldn't be promoted and held.

Bikers think they are invincible, once they are dead its to late to change their opinion.

If Pukekohe had a crash rate with every nationals round of one or two riders would you accept this as an event............no (be honest)"



The above would be one of the most ridiculous comparisons i have read for a while........ GlenW

[Oscar]

I don't know how they (the organisers) do it.‎
I was Race Secretary at a big meeting and had a Police Sergeant walk in and tell me a rider had just been killed. Not a pleasant experience. ‎


As it turned out, at the very moment the Police were trying to shut us down, our Club Doctor (who happened to be an ITU Specialist) was reviving a very lucky rider. He made a full recovery.

[Shaun]

Man have I read some SOFT COCK PC Bullshit in this thread. So called motorcyclist with freedom of choice in life hahahahaha

[jam mad]

If I could *LIKE* your comment, Shaun, I would.

Freedom of choice is bang on.

Do I support events of such unparalleled glory that yes, from the hundreds of riders who compete, does sometimes claim a life ? Damn right I do.

Do we all support motorcycling as a life choice, which claims many lives every year on every continent of the world ? Yes.

I can't see how you can do one and not the other without being a hypocrite at best and weird otherwise.

[James Deuce]

More people have probably died over the years on Mad Sunday than have died in actual TT racing. I should look that up some time.

[Shaun]

More people have probably died over the years on Mad Sunday than have died in actual TT racing. I should look that up some time.


Exactually mate, just do a full search of DEATHS at the Isle of Man during the fortnight, and then define which of those deaths was racers? FULL DEATH RATE, NOT JUST MAD SUNDAY!!!!!!

The dam Media blow it all out of proportion so the Internet reads like another 10 racers are dead, and then we get Soldiers who would go and SHOOT another man DEAD with out ever having had a problem with them personally if there BOSS told to them too, but

O NO< NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE



Fukin Pathetic

[White trash]

By all the TT haters definitions, the legislators should be well justified in saying "Well, motorcyclists are far more likely to die in an accident than car drivers, we'll ban bikes."

I look very forward to all of your suuport for this decision when it comes about.

[Shaun]

By all the TT haters definitions, the legislators should be well justified in saying "Well, motorcyclists are far more likely to die in an accident than car drivers, we'll ban bikes."

I look very forward to all of your suuport for this decision when it comes about.




Now that would be funny. All of a sudden the key board heros would be have some thing else to whinge about instead of just focusing on there own lifes and making there decisions about there life and getting on with it.


If I happen to offend anyone on here in this thread with my comments which may cost me by loosing future buisness, that is MY CHOICE, you all got it yet, sit down and SHUP UP about other peoples lifes and decisions.

I am actually an intelligent person with NO education training at all

I raced the tt for years and years and WILL BE doing it again

I have been killed there and come back ( Thanks for the support of this site)

I will be going back to race there again

MY CHOICE- Fuked if I want to be killed on the road by a drunk driver or a dick head who thinks they know how to ride a bike fast, the enviroment of the TT is FINE, it is up to the rider to act accordingly and treat the track with respect, otherwise shit can happen, but WE ALL KNOW IT CAN AND CHOOSE TO GO

No we are not MORONS, we are just people with a LOT MORE PASSION AND BELIEFE AND FOCUS than most who post shit on bike web sites

[oneofsix]

Now that would be funny. All of a sudden the key board heros would be have some thing else to whinge about instead of just focusing on there own lifes and making there decisions about there life and getting on with it.

you no make sense. The keyboard heros will still only focus on their own lives, just that it will now affect their lives.

[Shaun]

you no make sense. The keyboard heros will still only focus on their own lives




Big time bollocks buddy. The key board heros are NOT focusing on there own lifes, they are mouthing off about what others choose to do with there lifes

[Ivan]

agree they mouth off cause racers ride on the closed roads knowing the risks, but whats the bet they dont think about what they try say about a racer's own personal choice and go on the open road and ride like a twat and cause a accident, quite high I would say, Ive seen it personally

[Oscar]

Big time bollocks buddy. The key board heros are NOT focusing on there own lifes, they are mouthing off about what others choose to do with there lifes

And sometimes, what people choose to do with their own lives affects other people.

Personally, I couldn't give a rats arse about the IOM TT, but each time someone is killed there, there is negative press and public opinion. And that will affect all of us sooner or later - remember the EU 100HP limit? The New York ban on Motorcycles?
Do you not think that part of the ACC rip off is down to the stereotypes that bean counters and politicians have of us?

[Str8 Jacket]

And sometimes, what people choose to do with their own lives affects other people.

Personally, I couldn't give a rats arse about the IOM TT, but each time someone is killed there, there is negative press and public opinion. And that will affect all of us sooner or later - remember the EU 100HP limit? The New York ban on Motorcycles?
Do you not think that part of the ACC rip off is down to the stereotypes that bean counters and politicians have of us?

What fucks me off is that we should have to pay any credence to these 'stereotypes'...... Why can't I live my life doing what I want?

[Shaun]

What fucks me off is that we should have to pay any credence to these 'stereotypes'...... Why can't I live my life doing what I want?


Agree totaly man

[Str8 Jacket]

Agree totaly man

Or (wo)man as the case may be.... ;)

[Shaun]

And sometimes, what people choose to do with their own lives affects other people.


Do you not think that part of the ACC rip off is down to the stereotypes that bean counters and politicians have of us?


A racer dying at the TT only has the effect on there family and friends for the loss, NO ONE ELSE!

This thread has NOTHING to do with ACC and NZ Politics sport

[ellipsis]

...the fact that anybody gives a fuck about some soft cocks opinion about something that their opinion has no relevance to, is quite funny...lets just ban opinionated soft cocks from owning dangerous things like battery drills and sport bikes and mindless dribbling lips...:yes:

[Shaun]

...the fact that anybody gives a fuck about some soft cocks opinion about something that their opinion has no relevance to, is quite funny...lets just ban opinionated soft cocks from owning dangerous things like battery drills and sport bikes and mindless dribbling lips...:yes:



Haha Obviously the TT and Going Fiiiin fast of road bikes is my big time passion:yes:

[Oscar]

A racer dying at the TT only has the effect on there family and friends for the loss, NO ONE ELSE!

This thread has NOTHING to do with ACC and NZ Politics sport


Of course it does.
If you died at the TT, it would get news coverage here.

The good people would read the paper and watch the TV (no doubt ole Trophy Head or Walrus Features would do a quick feature on the legendary NZ rider that died on the "death track" or somesuch), and the people would think to themselves that those politicians must be right about ACC levies and they'd have their tidy little stereotypes about motorcycles reinforced, and vow never to let their son or duaghter ride one.

[Usarka]

Of course it does.
If you died at the TT, it would get news coverage here.

The good people would read the paper and watch the TV (no doubt ole Trophy Head or Walrus Features would do a quick feature on the legendary NZ rider that died on the "death track" or somesuch), and the people would think to themselves that those politicians must be right about ACC levies and they'd have their tidy little stereotypes about motorcycles reinforced, and vow never to let their son or duaghter ride one.

I'm trying hard not to say that's a load of bollox.

When some poeple watch the All Blacks lose they punch their wives and kids. So are you seriously saying we should ban international rugby?

[Oscar]

I'm trying hard not to say that's a load of bollox.

When some poeple watch the All Blacks lose they punch their wives and kids. So are you seriously saying we should ban international rugby?

Nope, not at all.

I'm talking about public perception (of which you just gave us a stirling example of your perception of Rugby boofheads). Perhaps if you were in a position to make a call on summat to do with Rugby (say an ACC levy), would your opinion of the boofhead element colour your decision slightly?

I'm saying that like it or lump it, public opinion is formed in 30 second news bites and we suffer for it. As I said earlier, I couldn’t give a rats arse about the IOM TT, but we have to accept that ‎every death there colours public opinion on the sport as a whole. Just like the little ‎punk up my street that does wheelies on his rat XR80 all weekend and the no muffler ‎Harley that just went past my office window.‎

[wharfy]

When some poeple watch the All Blacks lose they punch their wives and kids. So are you seriously saying we should ban international rugby?

It would nice if some of the money spent on Rugby went to the people that have to try and pick up the pieces if (heaven forbid) the AB's lose !

http://www.womensrefuge.org.nz/
http://www.blowthewhistle.co.nz/

ps "heaven forbid" is just a figure of speech - I don't believe in God or anyone else's "invisible friend"

[Deano]

I'm saying that like it or lump it, public opinion is formed in 30 second news bites and we suffer for it. As I said earlier, I couldn’t give a rats arse about the IOM TT, but we have to accept that ‎every death there colours public opinion on the sport as a whole. ‎

Yes - the public are stupid enought to associate a full on well established race with a few guys doing the coro loop !

Road riding is not a sport - maybe that's half of our problem - too many treating it as sport.

[avgas]

I'm saying that like it or lump it, public opinion is formed in 30 second news bites and we suffer for it. As I said earlier, I couldn’t give a rats arse about the IOM TT, but we have to accept that ‎every death there colours public opinion on the sport as a whole. Just like the little ‎punk up my street that does wheelies on his rat XR80 all weekend and the no muffler ‎Harley that just went past my office window.‎
I certainly hope so.

Fucking morons are getting into bikes these days. Big soft cock morons.

I want cool people back on bikes, none of this nancy H&S bullshit.

[avgas]

Road riding is not a sport - maybe that's half of our problem - too many treating it as sport.
It is a sport. An unofficial sport the same as local touch club having fun.
Just because the athletes aren't 100% doesn't make it less of a sport.

Face it, you like bubble wrapping the situation..........you want everyone to race on the track. Because its not so scary there.

[codgyoleracer]

It seems to be which side & how far to each side of the "PC police" you stand on in relation to this matter.
Bottom line me thinks though is the PC nazis will win in the end........But hopefully it takes a long long time.

[Crasherfromwayback]

.....you want everyone to race on the track. Because its not so scary there.

I want everyone to race on race tracks so they don't kill innocent bystanders...kids etc. And for the record...road racing on race tracks is at times VERY scary mate.

[Shaun]

I want everyone to race on race tracks so they don't kill innocent bystanders...kids etc. And for the record...road racing on race tracks is at times VERY scary mate.


well said that man

[Deano]

It is a sport. An unofficial sport the same as local touch club having fun.
Just because the athletes aren't 100% doesn't make it less of a sport.

Face it, you like bubble wrapping the situation..........you want everyone to race on the track. Because its not so scary there.

Its not a sport, its a past-time, recreation, a hobby. Sport involves competition, like your touch club. (Im hoping you mean touch rugby, not some other form of "touching")

Face it yourself - I'm not into bubble wrapping at all. I'm all for people racing on the streets, when they are closed for a race, just like IOMTT.

The bubble wrappers are the ones suggesting it should be canned. Sheesh.:facepalm:

[Deano]

I want everyone to race on race tracks so they don't kill innocent bystanders...kids etc. And for the record...road racing on race tracks is at times VERY scary mate.

Maybe Avgas thinks that killing an innocent bystander or dying on the open road is all part of "the sport" (his term).

[wharfy]

It is a sport. An unofficial sport the same as local touch club having fun.
Just because the athletes aren't 100% doesn't make it less of a sport.

What ?


Face it, you like bubble wrapping the situation..........you want everyone to race on the track. Because its not so scary there.
what crasherfromwayback said ....

[Shaun]

Its not a sport, its a past-time, recreation, a hobby. Sport involves competition, like your touch club. (Im hoping you mean touch rugby, not some other form of "touching")

Face it yourself - I'm not into bubble wrapping at all. I'm all for people racing on the streets, when they are closed for a race, just like IOMTT.

The bubble wrappers are the ones suggesting it should be canned. Sheesh.:facepalm:


Another intelligent post on this bullshit subject

[gatch]

In the interests of public safety, we should all hang our leathers up and race belt sanders instead.

[steveyb]

Deano said Road Riding, not Road Racing.

Road Riding is a pastime, Road Racing is a sport.

[steveyb]

In the interests of public safety, we should all hang our leathers up and race belt sanders instead.

Someones belt sander will run amock and sand off someones face or sumfik like that.

Then where will you be ay? ay?

You will need leathers and a helmet to prevent sander danger......

Non est carborundum iligitemi

hehehehehehehehe

[Deano]

In the interests of public safety, we should all hang our leathers up and race belt sanders instead.

Ever left the switch on but unplugged it from the wall ?

Then watch as someone plugs it in and freaks out when it fires into action ? :shutup:

[gatch]

Non est carborundum iligitemi

hehehehehehehehe

Touche..


Ever left the switch on but unplugged it from the wall ?

Then watch as someone plugs it in and freaks out when it fires into action ? :shutup:

Only with a 5" grinder, did it to myself..

[wharfy]

Nope, not at all.

I'm talking about public perception (of which you just gave us a stirling example of your perception of Rugby boofheads).

NOT just a public perception but measurable effect - Womens Refuge request for safe house accommodation goes up when the AB's lose. Domestic violence is NOT restricted to "Rugby boofheads" but permeates ALL levels of NZ society, overwhelmingly perpetrated BY men AGAINST women & children - Abusers take out their frustrations on women & children because they can. It is about power and control.

[Ivan]

Yes - the public are stupid enought to associate a full on well established race with a few guys doing the coro loop !

Road riding is not a sport - maybe that's half of our problem - too many treating it as sport.

100% agree here man standing on the rimutaka hill at car crashes ive seen and heard this i remember stopping 2 bikes as we had a close up while we cleared the road that a bike caused and when i was getting the message to let them through and open the lane up they were revving up like it was the start of a race and when i said you can go they took of like bats out of hell like the rimutakas has to be raced cause you have a r1 or daytona or cbr and ive stood on the hill at other points and you can hear the bikes screaming the whole way up then when they get through they are gone at a million miles an hour much like leaving the servo here in town saturday mornings ive spent there watching thous wheelying off out of town like its a race track

to many people think roads like this are the track and this a sport and racing gets a bad name really pisses me off cause theTT is a well organised event roads are closed yet people try to use these fucktards on the road as a example

[Ivan]

It is a sport. An unofficial sport the same as local touch club having fun.
Just because the athletes aren't 100% doesn't make it less of a sport.

Face it, you like bubble wrapping the situation..........you want everyone to race on the track. Because its not so scary there.

go clean up the mess after a accident and it changes your ideas on this completly seeing broken bones and skin ripped off aint nice

[Crasherfromwayback]

seeing broken bones and skin ripped off aint nice

Especially when it's yours!!!

[Mental Trousers]

I'm tempted to move this thread to PD.

Anyone who thinks they know better should watch TT3D. Right at the start John McGuinness is telling the camera he does the lawns, tidies up and takes care of all the bits and pieces so there's none of the annoying little things for his wife to do if he doesn't come back. Connor Cummings and Hutchy both smashed up from crashes but looking forward to next year, Bridget Dobbs saying she had no regrets about all the years Dobsy raced there.

These people are fully informed and well aware of the possible consequences. So anyone who thinks they know better, who thinks they have the right to tell those people what they can and can't do should really STFU before someone chainsaws the legs off their high horses.

[Latte]

I'm tempted to move this thread to PD.

Anyone who thinks they know better should watch TT3D. Right at the start John McGuinness is telling the camera he does the lawns, tidies up and takes care of all the bits and pieces so there's none of the annoying little things for his wife to do if he doesn't come back. Connor Cummings and Hutchy both smashed up from crashes but looking forward to next year, Bridget Dobbs saying she had no regrets about all the years Dobsy raced there.

These people are fully informed and well aware of the possible consequences. So anyone who thinks they know better, who thinks they have the right to tell those people what they can and can't do should really STFU before someone chainsaws the legs off their high horses.

100% Agree, well, except for the PD bit - healthy discussion is fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm tempted to move this thread to PD.

So anyone who thinks they know better, who thinks they have the right to tell those people what they can and can't do should really STFU before someone chainsaws their legs off.

Don't do that!

Do that.

[Oscar]

I'm tempted to move this thread to PD.



You are moving a thread because you don't agree with one side of the argument?
I think you've got moderator mixed up with megalomaniac .

[Mental Trousers]

You are moving a thread because you don't agree with one side of the argument?
I think you've got moderator mixed up with megalomaniac .

I said tempted. I know exactly what megalomania is.

[jonbuoy]

What about the Paris Dakar, Baja 1000, Base Jumping, Cave Diving. Far better for the human race if we all just stay inside with a nice cup of tea. :no:

[cowpoos]

I know exactly what megalomania is.

New Porn movie?

[gatch]

New Porn movie?

It's no backdoor sluts 9.

[avgas]

It seems to be which side & how far to each side of the "PC police" you stand on in relation to this matter.
Bottom line me thinks though is the PC nazis will win in the end........But hopefully it takes a long long time.
Yep they will.
And I will hear people say "When they came for the IOM TT, I said nothing because I didn't care for it......
.....When they came for my friends bike, I said nothing, because it wasn't me.....
.....but when they came for my bike, no one was left to help me."

And I will laugh, ride off and give the finger.

[avgas]

Its not a sport, its a past-time, recreation, a hobby. Sport involves competition, like your touch club.
And what exactly happens on your group rides????? Seriously do you all simple tootle along at 100??
At the end of the day very few people whom ride in groups, on sport bikes do as required by law. Some even race each other.
OH MY GOD!!!!!! Is telling them they should only do it on the track going to fix fuck all?
Its like telling dope growers to smoke herbal tea.
First rule of fight club......

The bubble wrappers are the ones suggesting it should be canned. Sheesh.:facepalm:
Yes they are, and your saying they are right because of the perception of what people do on the road.
Fuck lets ban car parks at the supermarkets then, I mean everyone knows there is devastation there.
Perception is a mother-fucker. But if people wanna ban the IOM on a perception of what they heard on their street there are a million counter arguments against that.

[Deano]

And what exactly happens on your group rides????? Seriously do you all simple tootle along at 100??
At the end of the day very few people whom ride in groups, on sport bikes do as required by law. Some even race each other.
OH MY GOD!!!!!! Is telling them they should only do it on the track going to fix fuck all?
Its like telling dope growers to smoke herbal tea.
First rule of fight club......

Yes they are, and your saying they are right because of the perception of what people do on the road.
Fuck lets ban car parks at the supermarkets then, I mean everyone knows there is devastation there.
Perception is a mother-fucker. But if people wanna ban the IOM on a perception of what they heard on their street there are a million counter arguments against that.

You need to get a grip bro. I'm not saying the public are right, just what they percieve.

On our group rides people do give it a nudge yes, but it ain't a sport.

We are actually in agreement about 'a million counter arguments'. I think you've confused what I've said with what you think I mean. :facepalm:

[avgas]

You need to get a grip bro. I'm not saying the public are right, just what they percieve.

On our group rides people do give it a nudge yes, but it ain't a sport.

We are actually in agreement about 'a million counter arguments'. I think you've confused what I've said with what you think I mean. :facepalm:
Yeah sorry about that.
I only took issue with the fact you failed to recognize street riding as a sport. What I think we got confused with was sport, and competition.
Road riding is a not a competition (though does get competitive). But you need to be more than a skinny, slack-jawed, yokel to ride a motorbike well. Regardless of whether you race it or not. Therefore it is more than a recreation, knitting is a recreation.

[codgyoleracer]

But you need to be more than a skinny, slack-jawed, yokel to ride a motorbike well. .

Hmmm........ Shaun Harris begs to differ :-)

[Deano]

Yeah sorry about that.
I only took issue with the fact you failed to recognize street riding as a sport. What I think we got confused with was sport, and competition.
Road riding is a not a competition (though does get competitive). But you need to be more than a skinny, slack-jawed, yokel to ride a motorbike well. Regardless of whether you race it or not. Therefore it is more than a recreation, knitting is a recreation.

Sweet as - I still don't consider street riding a sport. But the terms are interchangeable according to Oxford.

[Katman]

Perception is a mother-fucker. But if people wanna ban the IOM on a perception of what they heard on their street there are a million counter arguments against that.

You've got it the wrong way around.

It's the concern that some people might want to ban what they heard on their street based on their perception of the IOM event.

And for the record, I don't want to see the IOM stopped but the idea that it is possibly harmful to motorcycling as a whole is certainly food for thought.

And sitting there screaming "STFU wankers" won't change that fact.

[Resto lad]

how many motorcyclists are killed from being hit by vehicles with 4 or more wheels
let Wayno ban cars & trucks to protect sport bike owners

[manxkiwi]

People have been saying 'ban the TT' since 1907. It'll never happen. It's stonger now than it's ever been. To ban it you'd have to lobby the Manx government to do it themselves, I doubt they'd listen. Thank God.

[avgas]

You've got it the wrong way around.

It's the concern that some people might want to ban what they heard on their street based on their perception of the IOM event.

And for the record, I don't want to see the IOM stopped but the idea that it is possibly harmful to motorcycling as a whole is certainly food for thought.

And sitting there screaming "STFU wankers" won't change that fact.
You sure?
I notice people are still using the banks that told them just that 2 years ago after losing all their money.
World has changed. People don't really care if you abuse the shit out of them. We are all a bunch of zombies now. I mean think about why hasn't an ACC office been burnt to the ground yet?

I would like to think that being nice to people and trying to fix their perception will have an affect on them.....but seems people don't mind wankers these days. Tolerance levels are higher or something.
However if people have a bee in the bonnet about something they will complain about it.
Its the new (old) ME generation, and unfortunately they are retiring so have the time on their hands to complain about shit that has been around for donkeys years.
I don't see any sub-40's protesting about IOM or Motorbikes or Computer Games or Artificial sweetners or.....

We are all too busy working. So fuck em I say. I'm done trying to reason with them. They want to live in Beigeville because they are no longer young let some investment banker crush their dreams while they crush ours. Karma is a bitch.

[Shaun]

Hmmm........ Shaun Harris begs to differ :-)



Thanks for the compliment dude

[codgyoleracer]

Thanks for the compliment dude

Haha - I fall damm close to that tree as well mate........ ;-).

[Shaun]

Haha - I fall damm close to that tree as well mate........ ;-).



mmmmm NO buddy, you were the seed of it

[codgyoleracer]

mmmmm NO buddy, you were the seed of it

You made me cry:crybaby:

[Crasherfromwayback]

mmmmm NO buddy, you were the seed of it


You made me cry:crybaby:

Eewww. Glen is Shauns dad.

[jellywrestler]

Eewww. Glen is Shauns dad.
quick Glen, Dip it in Dettol!!

[gav]

Heres another thought on this, more people die on Mt Everest than at IoM. :yes:

http://www.visordown.com/features/mount-everest-vs-the-isle-of-man-tt/18839.html

[Kickaha]

Heres another thought on this, more people die on Mt Everest than at IoM. :yes:

http://www.visordown.com/features/mount-everest-vs-the-isle-of-man-tt/18839.html

If you'd had a look at post #320 you would have seen you're already 3 days to late with that

You're as slow here as you are on the track :nya:

[gav]

Thought you mightve, as I stole it from your FB post, but couldnt be arsed going back through 27 pages .... :innocent:
And you havent beaten me on a bucket in years .... :scooter: ... must be that long since you lost raced??? :shutup:

[cowpoos]

Eewww. Glen is Shauns dad.

there is a picture competition to be had with that information...what does the mother look like??

[Deano]

there is a picture competition to be had with that information...what does the mother look like??

Crazy Man's avatar ?:innocent:

[Grubber]

Bit of a thread dredge but an interesting comparison
http://www.visordown.com/features/mount-everest-vs-the-isle-of-man-tt/18839.html

Just a thought, but don't they climb that mountain most days of the year, whereas IOM is only for 1 week. Just sayin!

[Deano]

Just a thought, but don't they climb that mountain most days of the year, whereas IOM is only for 1 week. Just sayin!

I'd say that the ratio of participants to deaths is more relevant than duration.

Otherwise you could bring many factors in to play such as distance travelled per death etc.

[Mental Trousers]

there is a picture competition to be had with that information...what does the mother look like??

Crazy Man's avatar ?:innocent:

More like cowpoos!!

[jellywrestler]

Just a thought, but don't they climb that mountain most days of the year, whereas IOM is only for 1 week. Just sayin!
IOM TT is for a two week period, don't Forget there's the Manx Grand Prix later in the year too and there's approx 600 entries for the TT.
few people take this into consideration when they talk about the TT they start comparing it with a 1 day or weekend meeting conveniently forgetting a few things...

[cowpoos]

More like cowpoos!!

yo mamma!!!


PS: can you make the icon in user settings, for first new post in subscribed thread bigger?? its awe full hard to tap on a smart phone... :yes:

[palace15]

I can't be bothered to read all the posts in this thread at the moment, but all the knockers like that prick Gardner probably know absolutely jack shit about the TT apart from fatalities.
More people get killed in senseless wars, fishing trips and mountain climbing, so to all the TT knockers, FOXTROT OSCAR.

[Shaun]

I can't be bothered to read all the posts in this thread at the moment, but all the knockers like that prick Gardner probably know absolutely jack shit about the TT apart from fatalities.
More people get killed in senseless wars, fishing trips and mountain climbing, so to all the TT knockers, FOXTROT OSCAR.

You got that write big time boss

[reemit]

Lets ban Wayne Gardner

[jasonu]

Lets ban Wayne Gardner

From what, Kiwi Biker???

[LBD]

Lets ban Wayne Gardner


From what, Kiwi Biker???

OOOoohhhhhhh....thats gonna hurt im!