Andy Haden

[MadDuck]

How do you recover from that?

Take foot out of mouth and shove it up your......

[ynot slow]

Only heard a snippet on news last night,but seemed to say if girls go out looking for sports "stars" as conquests shit happens(usually consensual),been happening for years,wonder if the netballers have same problem of guys chucking themselves at the girls lol.

And speaking from personal knowledge years ago we had various sales reps,one was Allan Whetton just about to break into All Blacks,he was regular in Auckland and talk of him being close to national selection,hence boss had hired him just as he made Auckland squad.He came to our factory on Weds/Thurs and stayed overnight,a few of us went out for drinks with the boss,most ladies young and old were taken by him,6'5" brickshit house build etc,yep he got lucky,and no he didn't tell us,the girl who shagged him bragged(she was my girlfriends cousin,and I knew her boyfriend,he wasn't too happy when he was told).

[Woodman]

Seen this sort of behaviour by girls a few times when sports teams are around, especially if there is an AB or two there.

[JimO]

it happens to me all the time, chicks throwing themselves at me cos im orsome

[Maha]

He wasn't even that good a lock forward. He still thinks it was down to him that the AB's got a penalty against Wales to win the game. He jumped (yes cheated) out of the lineout claiming he was pushed. The ref awarded a penalty to the AB's but it was for something else that happened, not Haden's antics. Brian McKechnie (sp) kicked the goal for the win.
McKechnie went on to be involved in another sporting moment, he faced the underarm ball.

Haden should now jump again before being pushed for real this time.

[Mom]

The cry rape when the cheque bounces comment was enough for me. There should be no discussion at all, he should be sacked.

[Nasty]

I would have thought this was about Andy Hadens inappropriate comments - made nationally, not about the action of some young girls. He stated, once again, what he thought ... and this time its time to cut the loses and say goodbye to his role. He obviously did not take the role of rugbu ambassitor seriously or he would have learnt that this is one big political game, and there are times to keep the trap shut.

From my reading it wasn't the young lady involved, with the dickhead who had sex wit her, who bought this to media attention, but a friend who was there. She has taken it the next step due to seeing that over the years his behavior had not changed. There are often learnt behaviours that are hard to change and this guy may have learnt, through being a pro rugby player that no one would pot him. Too bad, and harsh lesson to learn.

[lb99]

I want to post in this thread about andy hayden not being able to say whats on his mind but I am afraid i might get cruicified

[Nasty]

I want to post in this thread about andy hayden not being able to say whats on his mind but I am afraid i might get cruicified

He can say whatever he wants ... just has to learn the consequences of it .. like the rest of the world.

[MSTRS]

I want to post in this thread about andy hayden not being able to say whats on his mind but I am afraid i might get cruicified

A public figure, saying in public what's on his mind, is like a man arguing with a woman...

[ynot slow]

To be honest love him or loathe him,Haden says what he thinks,last of the non pc brigade.

And how many stories will there be next year of girls scoring with players etc,been happening since ww1 and won't stop because Haden is sacked.

Sure the culture is changing in top level rugby(well aside from a few dickheads,most players have to be behaved or the media results are headlines)the idiots like Brooke get chucked out,re Luaki (sp)latest exploits.And how many people have heard the old shag on the shield stories after the team wins the Ranfurly Shield(be it wife or gf).

[lb99]

while it appeared to be a light hearted comment, maybe even a piss take. It was an inappropriate comment for the particular case being discussed, and a dumb thing to say.

but he said something we all know to be at least partially true, there are some very vindictive people (male and female) out there that do some horrible things out of spite.

while he said something dumb it was not a specific accusation, and it does highlight a serious problem in our society.

he should not lose his job for it.

imo

[lb99]

oops double post

[oldrider]

He wasn't even that good a lock forward. He still thinks it was down to him that the AB's got a penalty against Wales to win the game. He jumped (yes cheated) out of the lineout claiming he was pushed. The ref awarded a penalty to the AB's but it was for something else that happened, not Haden's antics. Brian McKechnie (sp) kicked the goal for the win.
McKechnie went on to be involved in another sporting moment, he faced the underarm ball.

Haden should now jump again before being pushed for real this time.

True!

He is entitled to his beliefs and opinions but ill-timed expression of them is stupidity!

Stupidity is not a prerequisite for "Rugby ambassador" for the RWC and he has frequently demonstrated "stupidity" in public!

Not a good look for an ambassador of any kind! :mellow:

[Mully]

Funnily enough, when this new allegation surfaced, I wondered aloud to Mrs Mully about whether it's only come about because the one he groped in Fiji got a financial settlement.

Still, it's one thing to wonder aloud and quite another to say it on TV when you hold that position.

[86GSXR]

He should have chosen his words more carefully, it's possible to say whats on your mind without getting too basic about it. 'Fans' have always existed and always will. RB's the one who needs to get his act together.

[lb99]

who cares anyway? is only the rugby world cup ffs, i am so sick of professional ball sport being rammed down our throats, is gotten too fucking serious, most kiwis wont be able to afford to have anything to do with it, but we will be paying for it with our taxes for years to come

fuck you irb, you destroyed the game (and imo the countrys media) you are a bunch of cunts

[ynot slow]

who cares anyway? is only the rugby world cup ffs, i am so sick of professional ball sport being rammed down our throats, is gotten too fucking serious, most kiwis wont be able to afford to have anything to do with it, but we will be paying for it with our taxes for years to come

fuck you irb, you destroyed the game (and imo the countrys media) you are a bunch of cunts

Don't hold back lol,yep my interest in rugby has diminished since professional era(1996)for internationals anyway,once I would watch at all costs,now take or leave,mind you NPC for me is more interesting,and exciting.And I can afford /am able to buy tickets for NPC.

[Katman]

Andy Haden rocks! He's the Michael Laws of rugby.

There should be more people in this country who are quite prepared to say what they believe and damn the torpedos.

Might take a bit of the heat off me.:eek:

[davebullet]

Andy Haden - See what too many tackles and picking up soap in the showers does to you?

[Nasty]

Resignation .. again I ask why .. should have just sacked him ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3906516/Andy-Haden-resigns-as-a-Rugby-World-Cup-2011-Ambassador

[Genie]

I'd say that behind the scene he was poltiely asked to resign...it looks better that way. and chicks throwing themselves at men is not just limited to sporting professionals.

[Nasty]

I'd say that behind the scene he was poltiely asked to resign...it looks better that way. and chicks throwing themselves at men is not just limited to sporting professionals.

They do that in employment as well .. which is a shame ... as resignation looks so much nicer than fired! It is not what he said ... its the lack of awareness of what he was saying.

[shrub]

I actually agree with what Haden said, and I think women who go hunting sports stars and get completely pissed in the process are a problem, but Haden was an idiot sounding off. He needed to learn to be a little more moderate, but he wasn't.

I used to work the door on a club that was quite popular with some of the Crusaders and ABs and worked quite closely with the ABs minders because the moment the boys turned up this pack of dirty girls was all over them like a rash. Their minders used to get very pissed off and we were often asked to throw the dirty girls out for intox.

[Maha]

He needs to arsed fucked himself for saying....''when they dicover that the cheque bounced, all of a sudden they've been raped''.
I know what hes trying to get across but its all a bit Morcombe and Wise really, is just not funny.

[MSTRS]

It's a sad day when you say what you think, and everyone knows it to be true, but you still get pilloried for it.

[Paul in NZ]

It's a sad day when you say what you think, and everyone knows it to be true, but you still get pilloried for it.

I tend to agree.... Unfortunately we dont really like to confront the ugly truths about ourselves so we deem these things to be 'inappropriate' and off limits. I listened to what he said and they way he said it was quite understanable especially in the context of the conversation. Taken out of this context it can seem to be outrageous... He was not saying all women are cheap whores but rather that a certain type of person under certain conditions will deliberately target sportsmen of fame and often regret it once they have sobered up. In no way does he defend what others may have done but rather he is warning that playing with fire will get your fingers burnt...

Lets face it, sports stars get to be famous because they are really good at sport... NOT because of their fine moral characters and good judgement. Teams at the top level spend more time keeping their players on the straight and narrow than they do training them in their job (well almost).. Often they are not nice people, just like movie stars etc etc it is one narrowly focussed talent that makes them famous...

Of course this also applies to the media. Many many television current events reporters are driven by a need to be as famous as an all black and if a few people need to get hurt along the way? So be it, its the price we pay for their fame and what particularly gaulls me is they feel they have the right to delve into the most personal aspects of anyones life but if you dare come near them they explode in a fit of righteous rage about privacy etc etc (Mike Hoskins would be one) because if you knew much about them, well you wouldn't want a bar of em... Not to say poor behaviour is acceptable its just that it needs to be balanced fairly.

Sadly - it never is as the media controls the media and also the version of events...

Personally why the hell anyone listens to the unqualified opinion of these gits is beyond me. I'd rather be in the shed working on something

[Nasty]

But then again ... I don't know that I will side with anyone who thinks having sex with an unconscious woman is acceptable - is being unconscious a form of consent now?

[MSTRS]

But then again ... I don't know that I will side with anyone who thinks having sex with an unconscious woman is acceptable - is being unconscious a form of consent now?

Is there someone who is saying that is OK? Because I don't think Haden is. Mind you, if he'd been (reported as) saying that it was abhorrent, he'd be a hero, eh?

[Nasty]

Is there someone who is saying that is OK? Because I don't think Haden is. Mind you, if he'd been (reported as) saying that, he'd be a hero, eh?

I was just thinking of the other implications that are out there from what has been said ... I don't know that these woman are seeking money - in fact it is probable that they wouldn't get any anyway ... but the implication is that they are doing this for money ... I don't know .. in fact no one here does .. as Paul said we are only getting a media view and we know their beat up :)

The other side is .. what would have happened if they went to the police when this happened ... not too sure but often branded as a slut looking at having sex with a sports star.

[shrub]

Teams at the top level spend more time keeping their players on the straight and narrow than they do training them in their job (well almost)..

Ain't that the truth. Thinking about the ABs, you get a young guy, give him glory and fame and more cash than he knows what to do with and then wonder why he does stupid shit? Especially after a big game where suddenly he's everyone's hero. I swear that when the ABs played in town there were more guys in black suits running around keeping an eye on them then there were players. Some of them were OK, but some were total dickheads and I had to throw a well known forward out of the bar once for being a drunken twat. Fortunately while he and I were "discussing" his status as a customer a couple of minders arrived and took control because he was bigger than me, very pissed, quite aggro and really didn't want to be kicked out. It was one of those situations where I wondered why the hell I worked as a doorman.

[PrincessBandit]

To be honest love him or loathe him,Haden says what he thinks,last of the non pc brigade.


Andy Haden rocks! He's the Michael Laws of rugby.


I actually agree with what Haden said, and I think women who go hunting sports stars and get completely pissed in the process are a problem, but Haden was an idiot sounding off. He needed to learn to be a little more moderate, but he wasn't.

I used to work the door on a club that was quite popular with some of the Crusaders and ABs and worked quite closely with the ABs minders because the moment the boys turned up this pack of dirty girls was all over them like a rash. Their minders used to get very pissed off and we were often asked to throw the dirty girls out for intox.

Michael Laws, Andy Haden and Paul Henry wooooo hoooooo!!

Perhaps sports "stars" need to be more mindful that despite women (of varying ages) throwing themselves at them perhaps they need to keep their pants on (and zipped up) and their hands well clear of the merchandise being flaunted at them. Sadly between women taking advantage and "crying rape" ( some do, and not just with high profile celebrities) and high profile celebrities thinking that their status puts them above the law maybe it's time to get back to some old fashioned restraint. No, I'm not talking handcuffs here..... But being able to exercise personal control rather than giving in to the immediate gratification which may well come back to haunt unexpectedly.

[MSTRS]

Ya what? In this day and age of 'It's not my fault, because..."?
Personal responsibility is soooo yesteryear, don't you know.

[ynot slow]

Another thing in this day and age what's the diference between any so called celeb and joe public,I would think there is plenty(exagerated)of women passed out and taken advantage of which we don't hear of due to the embarressment the lady feels about herself.Whether money was exchanged for undies and wallet who cares,the facts are Brooke was a wanker,and his actions are really hitting home 20yr later,he will loose his wife(if she has brains)and foodstuffs are looking at his ability to run his supermarket from a moral point of view,very stupid situation to be in or get into.

[Paul in NZ]

But then again ... I don't know that I will side with anyone who thinks having sex with an unconscious woman is acceptable - is being unconscious a form of consent now?

Again a question of context - I've been out with some women who have preffered to be unconsious around me... :innocent: I think it was my aftershave.... (truthfully, even in my most - um - aroused?? state I would not find an incapacitated women desireable.. I dont think drink, drugs and sex are compatable

[Indiana_Jones]

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-Indy

[imdying]

I will side with anyone who thinks having sex with an unconscious woman is acceptableToo good not to sig! :rofl:

[avgas]

Yeah that is the problem with under aged girls these days.
Only wanna fuck for the money.
Where is the love?

[Swoop]

...not too sure but often branded as a slut looking at having sex with a sports star.
An interesting comment on the radio this morning: Word Cup of Thugby in South Africa. Girls were collecting ties from team members that they slept with.
Teams ran short of dress ties...

[admenk]

I played a game of rugby once, and no women threw themselves at me afterwards....mind you, I am bald, fat and ugly

[Kickaha]

..mind you, I am bald, fat and ugly

Not to much diferent than Andy Haden then

[admenk]

Not to much diferent than Andy Haden then

I'm not that bad!

[phill-k]

I want to post in this thread about Andy Hayden not being able to say whats on his mind but I am afraid i might get crucified

I don't see why you should be crucified, Hayden's comments are factually based as has been evidenced time and again, however he had a role in the next World Cup, and that is not about Rugby, groupies or what ever, but about NZ maximising the dollars invested in the Cup. He was asked to help promote the cup and its benefits being in NZ, if anything the weasel wanker who appointed him and then found it impossible to get him on the phone to fire him should be told to "retire" as well. McCully is a waste of space and should have shut the man down long before this. Hayden is more than entitled to voice his opinion, however when he is offered and accepts a role as an ambassador on behalf of NZ he needs to think a little before he speaks, and when he speaks actually be coherent and make sense, as his comments as played on TV didn't actually make a whole lot of sense anyway. His reference to Hugh Grant - he was nabbed by the police, the lady concerned also faced prosecution and as far as Robin Brook was concerned, that had nothing to do with the girls but a lot more to do with the family - he had been married only 8 months and was already spreading it around again.