Where are the police leaders leading us?

[Kiwi Graham]

I’ve had to drive the car to work for the last three weeks and have been listening to Talk Back Radio.

Part one;

On my way home yesterday listening to Danny Watson he had a police commissioner on air talking about how the public should treat police officers and how if a police officer commits a crime and is punished he shouldn’t be apologetic to the public because it would reduce his affectedness doing his job.

He went on to say, when he is re-appointed the public and the media shouldn’t be reminded about his past but he should be judged on his ability to do the job.


Danny protested and gave the other side regarding other people who have committed a crime have to disclose it and is considered as part of the suitability of the person for the position they are applying. But the commissioner wouldn’t have a bar of it insisting police shouldn’t be subject to that level of exposure and there past should have no bearing on there job as a police officer and pretty much demanded they should be respected and abided by.

I couldn’t believe this commissioners attitude; it’s just this level of culture that is distancing the public from our police force. What chance do the new officers stand when there so called leaders foster this archaic attitude?

Part two;

Its bad enough in my view that we have two police forces operating within one (who knows maybe more) the ‘real police’ as I call them, they are out there investigating crime, dealing with crime and helping to keep our communities safe and the ‘revenue police’ those that simply sit nicking motorists generating there income. What’s worse is the resources deployed for each.

An example would be in west Auckland; the whole area is coved for crime by two police cars and 4 police officers (real police) however for the same area covered for ‘traffic’ (revenue police) 3 times as many cars and 6 officers (cashiers). I am aware of this as a snap shot of one shift because my wife has to engage the police services in the pursuit of her job from time to time and this is what was explained to her on this particular evening.

Change needs to come from the top down, lead by example etc. With pillocks like that commissioner on Talk Back Radio banging on and demonstrating an out of date culture and sense of entitlement what chance does or society have.


Mmmm bit of a rant there, no doubt I have it all wrong eh.

[Bald Eagle]

Pretty close to right. The worst thing tptb ever did was add the MOT revenue collection arm to the Police, it's infected the whole body.

[MSTRS]

... police commissioner on air talking about how the public should treat police officers and how if a police officer commits a crime and is punished he shouldn’t be apologetic to the public because it would reduce his affectedness doing his job.
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What a load of utter crap. That git might believe it - who knows, it might even be true *shudder* - but that attitude has NO place in the farce.
Cops should be (are?) subject to at least the same level of scrutiny as regards criminal behaviour, and hopefully a higher level than us plebs. It must be this way, for the public to have any respect for them.
I realise this is probably naive, but that's what I believe should be the case.

[Swoop]

Leadership should be emphasised in the force.
It appears as if the "septic tank theory" is correct in this situation... The bigger the turd, the higher it floats.

[avgas]

Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[scissorhands]

Change needs to come from the top down, lead by example etc. With pillocks like that commissioner on Talk Back Radio banging on and demonstrating an out of date culture and sense of entitlement what chance does or society have.


Mmmm bit of a rant there, no doubt I have it all wrong eh.

One thing I've become horribly aware of recently, is that good guys tend to come last, and that regarding politics and court room, its those with dishonesty and spin skills that tend to come first.

This is only because the masses have a herding instinct which allows for easy rounding up and conditioning through psychological techniques, by those with an aptitude and desire to do so.

Respect for the police, will be a hard road in NZ due to the alcohol drinking component of police culture. The Police will screw up often and end up in the media, while alcohol consumption remains high in the force

[Kiwi Graham]

Changing a culture that has developed an any large institution is extreamily hard to achieve.

Whilst that culture is promoted from the very people that should be initiating improvements and empowering the new guard to adopt a different way of operating things simply are not going to improve.

The officers that are in the positions of seniority now grew through the ranks during the 70’s and 80’s when frankly they were a law unto themselves. If they continue to hold those same values ………………

[Quasievil]

Leadership should be emphasised in the force.


We dont have leadership at any level in New Zealand, no Community leadership, no government leadership, no leadership anywhere
we do have PCship, committeeship, MMPship and a sinking ship, the latter is the only successful ship here.

[p.dath]

I’ve had to drive the car to work for the last three weeks and have been listening to Talk Back Radio.

Woah! That's half your problem there. Listening to talk back radio. :lol:


On my way home yesterday listening to Danny Watson he had a police commissioner on air talking about how the public should treat police officers and how if a police officer commits a crime and is punished he shouldn’t be apologetic to the public because it would reduce his affectedness doing his job.

Negative. Those that enforce the law have to be held to a higher regard so as to be credible enforcers. Those found guilty under the crimes act should be dismissed.

You also need to remember they are employed by the public. If one of my employees commited a criminal offence against me I would think an apology would be very reasonable.



He went on to say, when he is re-appointed the public and the media shouldn’t be reminded about his past but he should be judged on his ability to do the job.

I don't agree with re-appointment after a crimincal act - but I do agree that once someone has done the punishment that should be able to move on without being re-judged all the time.



and there past should have no bearing on there job as a police officer and pretty much demanded they should be respected and abided by.

Negative. You can not have criminals acting as enforcers. Respect is earned - not employed.


Change needs to come from the top down, lead by example etc. With pillocks like that commissioner on Talk Back Radio banging on and demonstrating an out of date culture and sense of entitlement what chance does or society have.

How does one get to become commissioner? Are you voted in? Promoted from the ranks? Appointed by a minister of the crown?

[Coldrider]

baa, baa, baa,...................baa

[rustic101]

Pretty close to right. The worst thing tptb ever did was add the MOT revenue collection arm to the Police, it's infected the whole body.

Could not have said it better BE.

Crash and Crime Reduction.... Even the livery on the new units is Highway Patrol livery far to much emphasis on Road Policing IMO. The standard excuse is criminals travel and they need to be caught on the roads.

Its not a "quota" its a 'target'. ACC fund 25% of the Road Policing budget but expect triple that back in return from enforcement.

The focus is wrong - In my humble opinion