Where are all the sidecars?

[nzkr1]

Only five confirmed entries for round 5 of the Vic Club winter series (well done to those who have entered)... apparently if they can't get another entry they will can the chairs!!!! I think the Vic Club have been let down before! Bring back the motards...

[jellywrestler]

Only five confirmed entries for round 5 of the Vic Club winter series (well done to those who have entered)... apparently if they can't get another entry they will can the chairs!!!! I think the Vic Club have been let down before! Bring back the motards...
I bet you got a lot of wedgies at school

[sidecar bob]

Yes, not a good look. We have the pink bike entered, but the Beemer is in a container somwhere between Philip Isl & here at the mo.

[prettybillie]

Thanks to the guys who did a ring around and a rally, it looks like there are 7 now!!!! :yes:

[Rogue Rider]

In the museum where they belong! Trikes for dykes, they sure as hell ain't bikes lol.

[sidecar bob]

In the museum where they belong! Trikes for dykes, they sure as hell ain't bikes lol.

Strange post from a tough guy.

[scracha]

Only five confirmed entries for round 5 of the Vic Club winter series (well done to those who have entered)... apparently if they can't get another entry they will can the chairs!!!! I think the Vic Club have been let down before! Bring back the motards...

Combine the motards with the sidecars...mooohahahhaah

[roadracingoldfart]

Combine the motards with the sidecars...mooohahahhaah

Or bring on the BEARS class.

[Kickaha]

Strange post from a tough guy.

He'd be to like most of them and be much of a pussy to go out on one

[Pussy]

He'd be to like most of them and be much of a pussy to go out on one

You called? :whistle:

[cowpoos]

Or bring on the BEARS class.

choppa will like the extra track time

[nzkr1]

I bet you got a lot of wedgies at school

NO but I have seen you wedgie yourself at the Cold Duck!!!!

[Duke girl]

Its surprising to see the entries for the Sidecars are as small as they are as you would have thought that most of the sidecars teams would be eager to get out there seeing that they dont do alot of Racing throughout the year.
Having 3 Rounds with the Vic Club doesn't seemed to have motivated them much.
Why?????

[neil_cb125t]

Hmm well VMCC have opened their arms up to sidecars again - once again numbers are struggling.

I really do think that Road racers are being penilised by continously giving up races ( yes full races - there used to be 3 per class, rain, hail or shine ) to accomodate the minority.

Perhaps sidecars should start up a club and run meetings for side cars - giving a FULL meeting back to road racers. Or AT LEAST get a chair rider to go to and contribute at a VMCC monthly meeting?

[White trash]

Hmm well VMCC have opened their arms up to sidecars again - once again numbers are struggling.

I really do think that Road racers are being penilised by continously giving up races ( yes full races - there used to be 3 per class, rain, hail or shine ) to accomodate the minority.

Perhaps sidecars should start up a club and run meetings for side cars - giving a FULL meeting back to road racers. Or AT LEAST get a chair rider to go to and contribute at a VMCC monthly meeting?

You're really good at being a condescending know-it-all Neil.

[Ronin]

Hmm well VMCC have opened their arms up to sidecars again - once again numbers are struggling.

I really do think that Road racers are being penilised by continously giving up races ( yes full races - there used to be 3 per class, rain, hail or shine ) to accomodate the minority.

Perhaps sidecars should start up a club and run meetings for side cars - giving a FULL meeting back to road racers. Or AT LEAST get a chair rider to go to and contribute at a VMCC monthly meeting?

You mean continuously as in only 3 of the 6 rounds or is there a different definition of continuous now? Why not give them a chance?

[Deano]

I really do think that Road racers are being penilised

God help anyone who tries to penilise me !!

[White trash]

God help anyone who tries to penilise me !!

I assumed you would have been penilised since birth? Learn something every day.....

[Deano]

I assumed you would have been penilised since birth? Learn something every day.....

Categorise - put things into categories.

Labotomise - remove part of a brain

Sodomise - put (something) into (something else)

Penilise - Mmmmmmmm - I don't even want to think of the possibilities here, but they don't sound flash bro !!

[scracha]

Its surprising to see the entries for the Sidecars are as small as they are as you would have thought that most of the sidecars teams would be eager to get out there seeing that they dont do alot of Racing throughout the year.
Having 3 Rounds with the Vic Club doesn't seemed to have motivated them much.
Why?????
It's kinda strange isn't it, maybe they just need a bit more notice about the winter series as I suspect many of them had their whole season planned out and that didn't involve running over winter. The motards had their chance, didn't bother turning up and whined a lot. I'm kinda with Neil/Paul on this one. Give the chairs a class next year but if there's only a handful of entries at the first round then get the BEARS out for the remaining rounds.

[neil_cb125t]

You mean continuously as in only 3 of the 6 rounds or is there a different definition of continuous now? Why not give them a chance?

In a first time case yes you're right - however i was attending VMCC meetings about 2-3 years ago which was the last time we had chairs in the program. Unfourtunately that chance was used by many chair racers ( probably not all ) as a way of entering a meeting getting a stamp on their MNZ book then leaving!! this was to qualify for battle of the streets.......

Call me stubborn but it seems that its more often than not chairs have low numbers, have LARGE mechanical issues ( such as at hampton this year ) and cause large hold ups during recovery...

Unfourtunately my experience ( as small as it is ) has not since chairs in a good light. If there was a "chair club" that had 6-10 different classes with 150-200 chair entrants..... and a bike class approached them for some races and had 5-8 entrants turn up, which sometimes caused the problems i mentioned above - how would that club feel about bikes...........

Prove us sceptics wrong - get a good swag of entrants and put on some great races!

[sidecar bob]

Hmm well VMCC have opened their arms up to sidecars again - once again numbers are struggling.

I really do think that Road racers are being penilised by continously giving up races ( yes full races - there used to be 3 per class, rain, hail or shine ) to accomodate the minority.

Perhaps sidecars should start up a club and run meetings for side cars - giving a FULL meeting back to road racers. Or AT LEAST get a chair rider to go to and contribute at a VMCC monthly meeting?

Have you ever heard of the Taupo Road Race Spectacular you munter?
Sidecar guys putting on a royal show for the two wheeled brigade.
Sadly, some of the "big men" of the sidecar scene that essentially live just down the road compared to some of us, have a serious case of CBA (cant be arsededness) & have not entered this meeting.

[neil_cb125t]

God help anyone who tries to penilise me !!

Ha im sure i penilised ya at wanganui last year!

[neil_cb125t]

Categorise - put things into categories.

Labotomise - remove part of a brain

Sodomise - put (something) into (something else)

Penilise - Mmmmmmmm - I don't even want to think of the possibilities here, but they don't sound flash bro !!

don't worry you get taught this at basic training upon enlistment in the RNZAF....:blink:

[jellywrestler]

I went to the last round of the VMCC Winter Series and there were TWENTY sidecar compeitiors there. Ten outfits; twenty people. Other classes are combined on the track to build up the numbers, give the competitors a chance.

[Shaun]

I went to the last round of the VMCC Winter Series and there were TWENTY sidecar compeitiors there. Ten outfits; twenty people. Other classes are combined on the track to build up the numbers, give the competitors a chance.


haha Club racing scene is great eh

[nzkr1]

Have you ever heard of the Taupo Road Race Spectacular you munter?
Sidecar guys putting on a royal show for the two wheeled brigade.
Sadly, some of the "big men" of the sidecar scene that essentially live just down the road compared to some of us, have a serious case of CBA (cant be arsededness) & have not entered this meeting.

Yeah why aren't bron and adam racing?

[Kickaha]

Yeah why aren't bron and adam racing?

You live in the same city go and ask them

[Squiggles]

Anyone need a swinger?:innocent:

[PirateJafa]

Anyone need a swinger?:innocent:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/15804-DangerousBastard

[Shaun]

Yeah why aren't bron and adam racing?


Adam.s chair is totally pulled apart getting fully checked for safety reasons

Steve Bron is very busy with work, and is spending more of his money on having 2 more chairs re built to supprt another 2 teams for the nats

I guess these guys also have the experience now, that they actually do not need to do club racing, club racing is for up and comers and has beens like myself.

Accasionally you will see named top 2 wheel riders, but Normally only closer to nats kick off

[sidecar bob]

I guess then, that if the up & comers dont recieve the support of the guys that run at national level, then the up & comers wont support the nationals & we will have insufficent entries come nationals & they will need to fabricate false entries the same as last year just to get a start.
Its a case of communal back scratching.
A lot of the teams make an effort all year 'round, not just come the nationals.
Notice that my hawt missus is at every meeting on the pink bike, except for the south isl nats, because the number of rounds was mucked around with until we damn near lost the will to live & cost us our airline tickets etc.
Sidecar racing is far too small for an us & them attitude.

[Deano]

Ha im sure i penilised ya at wanganui last year!

Na bro you just got in my way is all....

[prettybillie]

I guess then, that if the up & comers dont recieve the support of the guys that run at national level, then the up & comers wont support the nationals & we will have insufficent entries come nationals & they will need to fabricate false entries the same as last year just to get a start.
.

This is exactly right - with all the bull shit that goes down, people forget about the riding. Because of the fact that we now may not get a ride at the last two rounds of the winter series, we won't have enough stamps to do the tri-series, paeroa or nationals.......We may as well sell the chair and give up.

We get great support from the guys out there racing and lots of advice and help and we really appreciate it (Sidecar Bob, Jelly Wrestler, Old Rig, Shaun - to name just a few) but the formal bodies need to sort their crap out and stop it affecting those of us who just want to ride!!!!!!

[imdying]

From a spectators perspective, the side cars are more enjoyable to watch than all the GSXRs put together, would be a real shame to lose them.

[Shaun]

This is exactly right - with all the bull shit that goes down, people forget about the riding. Because of the fact that we now may not get a ride at the last two rounds of the winter series, we won't have enough stamps to do the tri-series, paeroa or nationals.......We may as well sell the chair and give up.

We get great support from the guys out there racing and lots of advice and help and we really appreciate it (Sidecar Bob, Jelly Wrestler, Old Rig, Shaun - to name just a few) but the formal bodies need to sort their crap out and stop it affecting those of us who just want to ride!!!!!!



Systems can suck eh, but to epect the more experienced crews to turn up at all winter series meetings to help the new crews get there license stamped is a little much to expect realy.

I know Adam was at the first Vic round this year, and as his chair is pulled apart, he will not be at this coming one, but are very confident that he would attend as many as poss after this round.

Perhaps at the next vic round, the chairs could race over on the Short back track if not enough entries again to justify the time involved in deleting 2 wheel races? Just a thought, NOT a dig

[Kickaha]

A lot of the teams make an effort all year 'round, not just come the nationals.


The number of sidecars doing Manfeild and the fact they're struggling to get just 6 on the grid would indicate otherwise

I would say a very small number of teams make an effort all year round or these "club rounds" would be better supported

[prettybillie]

Systems can suck eh, but to epect the more experienced crews to turn up at all winter series meetings to help the new crews get there license stamped is a little much to expect realy.



Totally agree with this comment - you don't see Stroud doing any club series and no one expects him to be there....to expect the same out of our champion sidecar riders would be a double standard.........

I just want to ride though........whatever it takes..........and on top of that we'll be doing some awesome wheelies in the pool they are going to call manfield track this weekend!

[Kickaha]

Systems can suck eh, but to epect the more experienced crews to turn up at all winter series meetings to help the new crews get there license stamped is a little much to expect realy.


I disagree, I would think the fact that sidecars get very little club racing during the year should mean when a club puts rounds on for them as many crews as possible should support them regardless of their experience especially if it means another crew gets their three stamps and puts another Sidecar on the grid for Nationals/Streets

[roadracingoldfart]

An ignorant question here , not a dig or a biased slant....
If the sidecar and solo riders have to complete 6 race meetings to qualify for the Nationals or Tri Series then a mixture of VMCC and PMCC is all it takes for a solo bike , where does a sidecar do its 6 rounds ???
If there is a shortage of rounds or the 6 meetings are not attended , do the less than 6 round chairs still get to contest the Nats or Tri series ?.
It seems to me if i was contesting a chair i would be doing all the rounds i could or is the Nats and Tri series not really aspired to by them ? .
Where did all the classic chairs from Wanganui do thier 6 rounds prior to that event ??

Paul.

[sidecar bob]

An ignorant question here , not a dig or a biased slant....
If the sidecar and solo riders have to complete 6 race meetings to qualify for the Nationals or Tri Series then a mixture of VMCC and PMCC is all it takes for a solo bike , where does a sidecar do its 6 rounds ???
If there is a shortage of rounds or the 6 meetings are not attended , do the less than 6 round chairs still get to contest the Nats or Tri series ?.
It seems to me if i was contesting a chair i would be doing all the rounds i could or is the Nats and Tri series not really aspired to by them ? .
Where did all the classic chairs from Wanganui do thier 6 rounds prior to that event ??

Paul.

The classic chairs do NZCMRR, which right now is where the real chair racing is frankly.
An alarming percentage of modern sidecar owners at the pointy end of the field, think that the national champs, pathetic as they have become, is all they own a sidecar for. No have a go day, no winter series etc. A very sad situation.
Im not actually sure wether i have in fact answered your question though.

[Kickaha]

I thought it was only three meetings?

You don't have to do three per year though, which means you have people who might do three meetings in their first year and then do no racing from then on during the following year and only come out for the likes of Wangas

It should be a minimum three per calendar year or you can't do streets

[sidecar bob]

I thought it was only three meetings?

You don't have to do three per year though, which means you have people who might do three meetings in their first year and then do no racing from then on during the following year and only come out for the likes of Wangas

It should be a minimum three per calendar year or you can't do streets
Which begs the question, why would you bother owning a sidecar if you only do three meetings a year. You may as well stay home & spank ya monkey.

[Kickaha]

Which begs the question, why would you bother owning a sidecar if you only do three meetings a year.

Got me fucked to but people do, same as the odd one or two of them have outfits sitting in their sheds that haven't been used for years


You may as well stay home & spank ya monkey.

Something I reckon you'd have a lot of experience at

[yorkshire raceramesh]

I'm just getting started on building outfit for next season. I raced in England for years and am just getting back into it here. I'm looking at producing outfits for sale running 600 motors. The biggest problem (speaking from an outsiders view) seems to be the massive difference in performance between outfits by having to run all in 1 class.
My thoughts (and others I've talked to) are that if a HIGH QUALITY outfit can be produced, that is affordable, easy to set up and relatively cheap to maintain, it would encourage a few more people to dip a toe. Even if you could get 5 more crews out there on more or less identical machinery then you should get some close racing. For my part I've had heaps of help from various people, Kickha, Sidecar Bob, Andy Scrivvener to name a few and I'm very greatful. Obviously I'm aiming at nationals but would be only too pleased to continue at club meetings and help out where I can.
I'm getting back into this because I'm passionate about my sidecars and want to help drag the sport up to a level it should be at.

[roadracingoldfart]

I thought it was only three meetings?

You don't have to do three per year though, which means you have people who might do three meetings in their first year and then do no racing from then on during the following year and only come out for the likes of Wangas

It should be a minimum three per calendar year or you can't do streets

I was wrong about the 6 rounds to qualify to the Nats etc here is the clause from MNZ site...

22.8.15 Before competing in a Street Race or National Points Road Race meeting in any
Championship class, a rider must have competed in at least three lower road race
circuit events. Proof of this shall be from entries in the riders log book. Only senior
licence holders may compete on street circuits.ts etc ,

So does that mean a rider can miss more than one entire season of racing and then come and do the likes of Wanganui ??? thats bloody silly .

Paul.

[Kickaha]

So does that mean a rider can miss more than one entire season of racing and then come and do the likes of Wanganui ??? thats bloody silly .

Paul.

Yes they can and yes it is

[sidecar bob]

I'm just getting started on building outfit for next season. I raced in England for years and am just getting back into it here. I'm looking at producing outfits for sale running 600 motors. The biggest problem (speaking from an outsiders view) seems to be the massive difference in performance between outfits by having to run all in 1 class.
My thoughts (and others I've talked to) are that if a HIGH QUALITY outfit can be produced, that is affordable, easy to set up and relatively cheap to maintain, it would encourage a few more people to dip a toe. Even if you could get 5 more crews out there on more or less identical machinery then you should get some close racing. For my part I've had heaps of help from various people, Kickha, Sidecar Bob, Andy Scrivvener to name a few and I'm very greatful. Obviously I'm aiming at nationals but would be only too pleased to continue at club meetings and help out where I can.
I'm getting back into this because I'm passionate about my sidecars and want to help drag the sport up to a level it should be at.

Im absolutely certain it will encourage more people into the sport Dave.
As long as they are in a seperate class to the F1 outfits & the owners have the chance of winning a title against similar equipment, even if the races are run in with the F1 ones.

[Kickaha]

I'm just getting started on building outfit for next season. I raced in England for years and am just getting back into it here. I'm looking at producing outfits for sale running 600 motors. The biggest problem (speaking from an outsiders view) seems to be the massive difference in performance between outfits by having to run all in 1 class.

The Lawrances on a 600 gave a lot of the 1000cc plus outfits a pasting when they ran it here

I'm curious as to why you decided on 600cc engines when they haven't ever really caught on here

edit: I just had to check to actually see that we do have F2 rules here, I reckon it should be stock motors except for exhaust, airbox, PC and sump


My thoughts (and others I've talked to) are that if a HIGH QUALITY outfit can be produced, that is affordable, easy to set up and relatively cheap to maintain,

You just need to make sure that your idea of a high quality affordable outfit is similar to your intended client base (especially the affordable bit)


it would encourage a few more people to dip a toe. Even if you could get 5 more crews out there on more or less identical machinery then you should get some close racing.

It would be fantastic if that was the outcome


For my part I've had heaps of help from various people, Kickha, Sidecar Bob, Andy Scrivvener to name a few and I'm very greatful.

Sidecar Bob and Andy Scrivener would only be heaps of help if you wanted to know the best porn sites


I'm getting back into this because I'm passionate about my sidecars and want to help drag the sport up to a level it should be at.

You might find a bit of difference between where you think the level should be and where others do but I really hope this kicks off and goes well

[roadracingoldfart]

Yes they can and yes it is


Its good to see that MNZ has safety to the fore . Good on them aye.

[sidecar bob]

Kick, the thing that Yorkshire Dave & i discussed at length was the quality/ affordability thing as it relates to NZ, which held a few surprises for the Pom, & also, the ease of upkeep for mechanical ignoramises.
These machines have been well researched & Dave has a Windle front end on loan from me as a pattern.
I am supplying him with R6 motors as he needs them (I have rather a few too many) & if i didnt already own the most awesome F2 sidecar in the country, i would be putting my name down for the first one.

[Kickaha]

also, the ease of upkeep for mechanical ignoramises.


That would be the biggest stumbling block, sidecars seem to attract a higher percentage than other classes

[sidecar bob]

That would be the biggest stumbling block, sidecars seem to attract a higher percentage than other classes

Yes, the word you are in fact looking for, is Munters.

[jellywrestler]

That would be the biggest stumbling block, sidecars seem to attract a higher percentage than other classes I don't think that is true Kickman.
The reality is to race a solo you can get away with very little mechanical knowledge and a notebook. Buy a standard bike, talk to a competitor with a proven background and use their settings. Suspension techs are usually at the tracks, some stuff can be achieved for free, other you can cheque book , stick your visor down and go racing. You can go from this level all the way to the John Britten style to.
Sidecars are a complex beast and there's so many large or small differences between machines that everyone is unique. No suspension techs to write the cheques out to so you're behind the eightball to start.
I've floated around road racing for a wee while, mechanical ineptness can easily be hidden in the solo classes, not so in sidecars.
In saying that the sidecar folk are quick to pick up on someone whose like this and offer help.
From what I've seen the overall mechanical abiliities of sidecar competitors and the variety of said abilities is more than that of solos.
Yep I know this'll open a can of worms but it's me belief

[sidecar bob]

I don't think that is true Kickman.
The reality is to race a solo you can get away with very little mechanical knowledge and a notebook. Buy a standard bike, talk to a competitor with a proven background and use their settings. Suspension techs are usually at the tracks, some stuff can be achieved for free, other you can cheque book , stick your visor down and go racing. You can go from this level all the way to the John Britten style to.
Sidecars are a complex beast and there's so many large or small differences between machines that everyone is unique. No suspension techs to write the cheques out to so you're behind the eightball to start.
I've floated around road racing for a wee while, mechanical ineptness can easily be hidden in the solo classes, not so in sidecars.
In saying that the sidecar folk are quick to pick up on someone whose like this and offer help.
From what I've seen the overall mechanical abiliities of sidecar competitors and the variety of said abilities is more than that of solos.
Yep I know this'll open a can of worms but it's me belief

Lots of truth there.
The machines in question will not have the myrad of ajustments of the European long bikes that may cause much confusion to a amateur.
They, much like my own F2, will be gas & go.

[roadracingoldfart]

I don't think that is true Kickman.
The reality is to race a solo you can get away with very little mechanical knowledge and a notebook. Buy a standard bike, talk to a competitor with a proven background and use their settings. Suspension techs are usually at the tracks, some stuff can be achieved for free, other you can cheque book , stick your visor down and go racing. You can go from this level all the way to the John Britten style to.
Sidecars are a complex beast and there's so many large or small differences between machines that everyone is unique. No suspension techs to write the cheques out to so you're behind the eightball to start.
I've floated around road racing for a wee while, mechanical ineptness can easily be hidden in the solo classes, not so in sidecars.
In saying that the sidecar folk are quick to pick up on someone whose like this and offer help.
From what I've seen the overall mechanical abiliities of sidecar competitors and the variety of said abilities is more than that of solos.
Yep I know this'll open a can of worms but it's me belief

That there is a whole bunch of fact .:yes:

[racer40]

True sidecar bob yours & tracys F2 is a work of art, & has a great history, but watch out we have another F2 not to far from being ready, & richie is doing a great job on it. hopefully we get it on track soon so can compare it to yours.

[yorkshire raceramesh]

Would it be worth all the crews interested in running F2 getting together and sorting out some basic ground rules for specs, mods etc if there isn't anything already there? Would anyone else be interested in setting up a F2 racers group to help promote it as an alternative to F1?
Personally I'd like to see restrictions on engine mods and suspension just to keep costs down and try to maintain a level playing field. I just don't see the sense in spending megabucks for what are very limited number of meetings.
These are just random thoughts that I think would help. If I'm treading on toes or covering old ground I apologise and feel free to pull me up.

[Pussy]

Would it be worth all the crews interested in running F2 getting together and sorting out some basic ground rules for specs, mods etc if there isn't anything already there? Would anyone else be interested in setting up a F2 racers group to help promote it as an alternative to F1?
Personally I'd like to see restrictions on engine mods and suspension just to keep costs down and try to maintain a level playing field. I just don't see the sense in spending megabucks for what are very limited number of meetings.
These are just random thoughts that I think would help. If I'm treading on toes or covering old ground I apologise and feel free to pull me up.

From a spectators point of view..... it would be GREAT to see a proper f2 class in sidecars.
I hope it comes to be

[jellywrestler]

Personally I'd like to see restrictions on engine mods and suspension just to keep costs down and try to maintain a level playing field. I just don't see the sense in spending megabucks for what are very limited number of meetings.
If I'm treading on toes or covering old ground I apologise and feel free to pull me up.
If indeed it does bring more people to the sport and bigger feilds then the meetings should increase, chicken before the egg stuff really.
As for covering old ground the F2 class was set up many moons ago didn't take hold effectively but bring on the new enthusiasm and ideas. One reason it never caught on is everyone was left to their own devices, and no-one made it their baby. One can't easily go out and buy a set up outfit, far less a number of people. If they were available I'm sure things would change.
Look at the Marina outfits that were built in the late 70's in the Hawkes Bay. There were approx 33 of these built as the formula was right both in simplicity and availability too.

[Kickaha]

it would be GREAT to see a proper f2 class in sidecars.


I would be great to see a proper F1 class as well:lol:

[yorkshire raceramesh]

I see F2 as EITHER a class that people will stick with (assuming we can get enough for a proper seperate championship) or as a development/feeder class for F1 depending on what suits each individual.
I certainly want to see F1 flourish as well, just think at this stage we need the starter class as well.
Maybe we could organise an award for top F2 outfit at end of next season to give some reward for taking it to the 'big boys'.:2thumbsup. I have a couple of ideas I want to look at.

[sidecar bob]

I would be great to see a proper F1 class as well:lol:

A heterosexual one would be great too!!

[White trash]

I see F2 as EITHER a class that people will stick with (assuming we can get enough for a proper seperate championship) or as a development/feeder class for F1 depending on what suits each individual.
I certainly want to see F1 flourish as well, just think at this stage we need the starter class as well.
Maybe we could organise an award for top F2 outfit at end of next season to give some reward for taking it to the 'big boys'.:2thumbsup. I have a couple of ideas I want to look at.

Dude. It seems you're a man with your head screwed on right and clear ideas on how to grow this fine sport.

I'll give you a call tonight and organize a time to catch up.

[Pussy]

A heterosexual one would be great too!!

You could help things a lot there by not trying to kiss and fondle the boys all the time.....

[Kickaha]

A heterosexual one would be great too!!

Unlike you I didn't used to sleep in the back of the van with another man while away racing

[Ronin]

Dude. It seems you're a man with your head screwed on right and clear ideas on how to grow this fine sport.

I'll give you a call tonight and organize a time to catch up.

I spent a bloody interesting couple of hours chatting to him one night and I think your right.

[Shaun]

Dude. It seems you're a man with your head screwed on right and clear ideas on how to grow this fine sport.

I'll give you a call tonight and organize a time to catch up.


Gay fucker

[Shaun]

I see F2 as EITHER a class that people will stick with (assuming we can get enough for a proper seperate championship) or as a development/feeder class for F1 depending on what suits each individual.
I certainly want to see F1 flourish as well, just think at this stage we need the starter class as well.
Maybe we could organise an award for top F2 outfit at end of next season to give some reward for taking it to the 'big boys'.:2thumbsup. I have a couple of ideas I want to look at.


Hey Budy, must congratulate you actuallly on being so focused and positive about this mate, if more people were to be so constructive, life would flow well.

Whitetrash just might be your man to discuss freight with:niceone:

[yorkshire raceramesh]

Thanks, just my 5 cents worth. To be fair, I've had heaps of positive feedback so am fairly positive. I'm sure I'll get shot down in flames by somebody sooner or later.:dodge:

[Kickaha]

Whitetrash just might be your man to discuss freight with:niceone:

I don't think that freight from Wellington will be a problem :bleh:

[Shaun]

Thanks, just my 5 cents worth. To be fair, I've had heaps of positive feedback so am fairly positive. I'm sure I'll get shot down in flames by somebody sooner or later.:dodge:


The only thing to remember about this site though mate, is there are Jack shit racers on it really, mainly road riding folk.


Good luck man, but you are going to have to finish build the first one, and them push to sell them to others I believe.

[yorkshire raceramesh]

Going to be racing 1st one myself. Most likely driving (only ever passengered before!!) as my elbows and wrists are munted. What is life without a challenge !!