Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[MSTRS]

Touché
However I will say that while WOF's and license's are there "for a good reason" all they do nowadays is show that you've given the the Govt money.
Pedantic correction...the rego is proof that you've given money to the govt. You can't get a rego on a vehicle that does not have a current wof. The presumption (of the system) is that a rego'd vehicle is of a safe standard.

Cmon Johnny Boy... what's with the attitude? What if they were also warning riders of possible dangers that they wouldn't otherwise know about? Even a simple reminder to stay away from the center line on your pootle over the coro loop might be the thought in the back of your mind that saves your life.

I know that I've been quite lucky to get away with my life on a number of occasions where I wasn't in the wrong.

Funnily enough, from being involved with the BRONZ RRRS I for one know that the people who often need the most training and education are the ones who say they know it all and don't need any help. I know you're an experienced rider but no doubt there will be something that even you might gain from the little lecture. Maybe save the 'holier than thou' spiel til after you've actually been stopped and confirmed for or against that they really are just wasting our time and wanting to discriminate and incriminate us like so many seem to think.
To an extent I agree with you, but my 'attitude' remains.
True, I may not know it all (who does?) but that fact is I know enough to keep myself safe. At least, as safe as it is possible, bearing in mind that I believe accidents are not fore-seeable, or avoidable. Crashes, on the other hand...
I am not going to be interested in what a pimply faced boy in a uniform tells me about 'riding safely', or indeed a gnarly 30 year veteran (which is the length of service put in by several, who have killed/near killed motorcyclists by their oh-so-safe turning manoeuvres lately).

[riffer]

Well, I will have a stab at one fault. My bike managed to "pass" a WOF with blown fork seals :pinch: twice :eek5:

And you TWICE presented your motorcycle for a WOF either knowing that you had a bike that was not fit to be on the road, or you had no idea of what constituted a safe vehicle.

Either way, that's a bad look Anne.

[riffer]

Pedantic correction...the rego is proof that you've given money to the govt. You can't get a rego on a vehicle that does not have a current wof. The presumption (of the system) is that a rego'd vehicle is of a safe standard.

Semantics John. I read it that you cannot apply to operate a vehicle on the road unless you can prove that it is safe to do so.

[Mom]

And you TWICE presented your motorcycle for a WOF either knowing that you had a bike that was not fit to be on the road, or you had no idea of what constituted a safe vehicle.

Either way, that's a bad look Anne.

Troll. Much.

No, I did not know the fork seals were blown the first time, I had bought the bike off trade me as is, it had no WOF, I rode it directly to a WOF issuer (dont have a trailer/ute) and obtained a brand new sparkling WOF. Was not until I had the bike at home and was cleaning it that I saw the fork issue. I immediately fixed the seals and fork legs that had caused the seals to blow.

The second time is much the same as the first, except this time Maha took the bike for the WOF, it had been rego on hold and not ridden for several months as I had an injury that prevented me from riding. It came back with a lovely new WOF and the tell tale signs that the fork seals were again leaking.

[MSTRS]

Semantics John. I read it that you cannot apply to operate a vehicle on the road unless you can prove that it is safe to do so.

Strange how we see things, eh?
I'd argue that one pays money to the Wof issuer for him to check your vehicle meets 'the standard'. Assuming it has met that standard, then you have 6 months (or 12 for new/er vehicles) to pay money to the govt to get a permit to use your vehicle on a public road.

[bogan]

You don't think that maybe the fact that only 0.7% of accidents were caused by vehicle issues might have something to do with the fact that the WOF process was in place?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

so I found the doc here (http://www.fema.ridersrights.org/docs/FEMA_RWTPaper_2008.pdf)
turns out it only applies to bikes (less km's and generally better service history reduces the risk), and the 0.7% does not state whether that was from the countries that do or do not have road worthiness testing, approximately 1/3 of the EU countries do not currently have road worthiness testing.

[avgas]

And you TWICE presented your motorcycle for a WOF either knowing that you had a bike that was not fit to be on the road, or you had no idea of what constituted a safe vehicle.
Yes but a WOF is a test of 'unbiased' vehicle safety.
If you want a test of conscience you will not find this in the local Indian at VTNZ

[onearmedbandit]

You don't think that maybe the fact that only 0.7% of accidents were caused by vehicle issues might have something to do with the fact that the WOF process was in place?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.


Good god, that's twice in this thread I've been thinking along the same lines as you. Get out of my HEAD!!!

Also, just another thing to think about. Rust in a seatbelt anchor won't cause an accident. Rust in a firewall won't cause in accident. But they will increase your chance of dying in an accident.

[Max Preload]

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.I've looked into this claim in the past and found that in the states of Australia where they have no mandatory vehicle inspection periods, their vehicle defects contributing to crashes are not appreciably higher than those that have compulsory inspections.

I'll try and find those statistics again, if you're interested.

However, whether I'd actually trust tight-fisted NZers to maintain their vehicles to any standard in the absence of a prescribed periodic inspections is an entirely different argument...

[Pixie]

I've looked into this claim in the past and found that in the states of Australia where they have no mandatory vehicle inspection periods, their vehicle defects contributing to crashes are not appreciably higher than those that have compulsory inspections.

I'll try and find those statistics again, if you're interested.

However, whether I'd actually trust tight-fisted NZers to maintain their vehicles to any standard in the absence of a prescribed periodic inspections is an entirely different argument...

There are several countries that don't require inspections - proof that it is all bullshit

I've felt this way ever since a tosser in a VTNZ told me I only had to replace 1 tyre to pass a retest the other three were still legal (barely)

[Genie]

There are several countries that don't require inspections - proof that it is all bullshit

I've felt this way ever since a tosser in a VTNZ told me I only had to replace 1 tyre to pass a retest the other three were still legal (barely)

ha...I failed last time...one tyre had a screw in it...went to tyre man, pliers came out, so did the screw, back to VTNZ and waste another 20 minutes for the recheck! Go figure...no screws allowed!

[Pixie]

Troll. Much.

No, I did not know the fork seals were blown the first time, I had bought the bike off trade me as is, it had no WOF, I rode it directly to a WOF issuer (dont have a trailer/ute) and obtained a brand new sparkling WOF. Was not until I had the bike at home and was cleaning it that I saw the fork issue. I immediately fixed the seals and fork legs that had caused the seals to blow.

The second time is much the same as the first, except this time Maha took the bike for the WOF, it had been rego on hold and not ridden for several months as I had an injury that prevented me from riding. It came back with a lovely new WOF and the tell tale signs that the fork seals were again leaking.
Blown fork seals are a cosmetic issue (the oil messes the bike up)
Many bikes have standard suspension which is shit from new.

And since when did the check car shocks at WOF time? I've seen cars that get WOFs with no damping what so ever

[Pixie]

When did we start talking about them searching your car? They have to have suspicion first, most likely under the misuse of drugs act.

And rego/wof/license are legal requirements to use your vehicle on the public road. They are there for a reason, even if they are not highly effective. By making sure unsafe cars and unsafe drivers are off the roads, the safer it is for everyone else.

Ooh I'm a safe driver I've got a New Zealand driver's licence and to get it I had to open a box of wheaties.
But but but it is as good as a German or UK one that I would have had to spend thousands to get the training to pass

[onearmedbandit]

Ooh I'm a safe driver I've got a New Zealand driver's licence and to get it I had to open a box of wheaties.
But but but it is as good as a German or UK one that I would have had to spend thousands to get the training to pass


Did you see the the words 'highly ineffective' in my post you quoted?

[onearmedbandit]

Blown fork seals are a cosmetic issue (the oil messes the bike up)


Really? I've heard it has more to do with the risk of oil making it's way on to the brakes then 'cosmetic' value. Unless of course at scrutineering on race day they are making sure your bike looks nice, not safe.

[Max Preload]

Blown fork seals are a cosmetic issue (the oil messes the bike up)
Many bikes have standard suspension which is shit from new.

And since when did the check car shocks at WOF time? I've seen cars that get WOFs with no damping what so everLeaking suspension seals are a WoF item - or at least EVIDENCE of them leaking is... :shifty: However, the actual effective functioning of suspension is not. So if your fork seals leak and you need a WoF, remove the evidence of the leak or drain them completely! Sorted!

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago. I do sometimes pop a vehicle in for a second opinion though I ignore anything that's not really a safety issue for anyone else (meaning I've never had to do a repair based on anything 'found' by that second opinion).

[MSTRS]

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago.

You may get away with it a lot. The cop only has to catch you once...
They do rego checks 'on the fly' all the time, so you don't even have to be doing anything to bring attention.

[riffer]

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago.

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way.

However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.

Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.

[yachtie10]

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way.

However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.

Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.

While I tend to agree with your post
Do you actually think that the fee would go down if everyone paid it? Tui
Theres a shitload of money collected for roads already thats not used for it (petrol tax for a start)

I think one issue is the size of the inspection fee compared to the value gained. I have personally worked on compliance issues of the Computer systems now required by the LTSA (this was a while ago). This raised the cost quite substantially for a smallish gain in compliance.

[red mermaid]

So how do you re-licence your vehicles each year as they require a current WoF to do this.

And if you don't re-licence them then the registration is cancelled after 2 years.

As this system is computer based and has been running for more than a few years I think your statement below about not getting WoF's is B/S.




Leaking suspension seals are a WoF item - or at least EVIDENCE of them leaking is... :shifty: However, the actual effective functioning of suspension is not. So if your fork seals leak and you need a WoF, remove the evidence of the leak or drain them completely! Sorted!

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago. I do sometimes pop a vehicle in for a second opinion though I ignore anything that's not really a safety issue for anyone else (meaning I've never had to do a repair based on anything 'found' by that second opinion).

[nodrog]

So how do you re-licence your vehicles each year as they require a current WoF to do this.

And if you don't re-licence them then the registration is cancelled after 2 years.

As this system is computer based and has been running for more than a few years I think your statement below about not getting WoF's is B/S.

I have been told you can just put your vehicle registration on exemption for 12 months, and just keep renewing it.

Fanny

[MSTRS]

I have been told you can just put your vehicle registration on exemption for 12 months, and just keep renewing it.

Fanny

That is true. I wonder what questions will be asked of the odometer reading, if ever it was to 'go live' again...

[nodrog]

That is true. I wonder what questions will be asked of the odometer reading, if ever it was to 'go live' again...

"I just used it for getting the mail, and hanging out the washing, etc"

Fanny

[Kornholio]

That is true. I wonder what questions will be asked of the odometer reading, if ever it was to 'go live' again...

answer:

Pukekohe
Hampton Downs
Taupo
Manfield
Teretonga ..........................

[Max Preload]

So how do you re-licence your vehicles each year as they require a current WoF to do this.

And if you don't re-licence them then the registration is cancelled after 2 years.

As this system is computer based and has been running for more than a few years I think your statement below about not getting WoF's is B/S.

Stop talking shit. They're on exemption from continuous licensing.

[Ocean1]

Motorcyclists are concerned over last year’s levy hikes but I am determined to find common ground in improving safety so as to reduce the road toll and the injury costs to ACC.

Damned right I’m concerned. Tends to happen when someone uses a monopolistic position to extort my hard earned. Fuckem, if I’m costing ACC so much they can un-insure me and pay me back the tens of thousands they’ve overcharged me over the years. Nobody asked me if I wanted an accident compensation scheme in the first place let alone a compulsory one.


I PERSONALLY want to see a lot more money spent on rider education and training programmes, awareness programmes, and changing public attitudes towards motorcycling in general.

And no doubt to PERSONALLY fund it?

‘Cause I sure as fuck don’t feel the need.


I'm happy to pay $25 to get the things I'm not sure of checked off by someone who does know what they are doing.

And you need someone to tell you to do it?
How much of your $25 pays for the time taken to check your bike after your mate pays the kickback to the authority issuing the WOF?


There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

It doesn't make a jot of difference. The stat's across the Aussie states that require certification and those that don't are exactly similar.


Semantics John. I read it that you cannot apply to operate a vehicle on the road unless you can prove that it is safe to do so.

Don’t believe a WOF amounts to legal proof of any such thing.

They certainly don't amount to practical proof af any such thing.


Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash.

Me, I don’t give a fuck about how much other people crash. I bitch about it because of the fact that it costs me WAY more than it’s worth.

[Max Preload]

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way. I'm not paying for someone to do something I can do for myself. As an ex-AVIC I do actually know what I'm doing and if I didn't, I wouldn't do it. I advocate individual responsibility. I know most NZers aren't big on that - they need to be told what to do. Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaa!


However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.Yep. And I helped pay for too. And still do.


Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.But the increased ACC levy to the level it currently is isn't because of people that crash - the maths has proven that to be a complete falsehood.

Do you reckon my $24.50 annual contribution to roading as part of the annual motorcycle license fee ($43.50 for the car) will be missed? What percentage of the annual spend on roading actually comes from those license fees? Do you even know? I do.


Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.It's called civil disobedience. And if more people did it the rest wouldn't be getting arse raped with the unfair increased ACC levies.

You have choices in life. You either bleat and roll over, bracing for insertion or you make a stand. I chose the latter. I don't give a fuck that it's 'illegal'. That doesn't make it wrong - just illegal. Big fucking deal.

[riffer]

Can't say I can argue with that. Let those that ride decide. However, you can't bitch about what's being done with rego money if you don't pay can you? And I totally support your decision to maintain your own vehicle - good on you.

BTW did your insurance cough up when you crashed your bike?

[puddytat]

You have choices in life. You either bleat and roll over, bracing for insertion or you make a stand. I chose the latter. I don't give a fuck that it's 'illegal'. That doesn't make it wrong - just illegal. Big fucking deal.

I like that....I like that alot:yes:

[scumdog]

You have choices in life. You either bleat and roll over, bracing for insertion or you make a stand. I chose the latter. I don't give a fuck that it's 'illegal'. That doesn't make it wrong - just illegal. Big fucking deal.

Good on ya Max - at least you're not bleating yer eyes out out like half the other KB whingers do!

[onearmedbandit]

And you need someone to tell you to do it?

Never said I did. But a lot of people do unfortunately.


How much of your $25 pays for the time taken to check your bike after your mate pays the kickback to the authority issuing the WOF?


And your point is?

[Katman]

How much of your $25 pays for the time taken to check your bike after your mate pays the kickback to the authority issuing the WOF?


Kickback? I'm intrigued to know what underhanded machinations you think the WOF process operates under. Here's how it works.

It cost me about $600 for my WOF site application and about $150 for my personal application. Two months after handing over $750 to get my certification I was subject to my first WOF audit. The privilege of having an inspector come out to assess my progress cost me a further $650. Thankfully I scored highly enough that my periodic audits only happen every two years (at a further cost of $650 each time). WOF labels and checksheets are purchased at my cost. After that though, whatever I charge for a WOF inspection comes entirely back to my business.

It takes a long time to recoup the intial (and ongoing) costs of being an Issuing Authority and considering the time taken to carry out the inspection, the long and the short of it is that, for a workshop such as mine there is not a great deal of money to be made in WOFs. I see it as little more than an extra service that I can offer my customers.

[Katman]

Oh, and if you're wanting to talk about unfair, if NZTA's inspector spends a whole day inspecting 10 individuals at one Issuing Authority, that business is still only charged $650.

As I'm the only person at my business authorised to issue WOFs it takes the inspector less than an hour at my workshop.

[Scuba_Steve]

Kickback? I'm intrigued to know what underhanded machinations you think the WOF process operates under. Here's how it works.

It cost me about $600 for my WOF site application and about $150 for my personal application. Two months after handing over $750 to get my certification I was subject to my first WOF audit. The privilege of having an inspector come out and spend an hour assessing my progress cost me a further $650. Thankfully I scored highly enough that my periodic audits only happen every two years (at a further cost of $650 each time). WOF labels and checksheets are purchased at my cost. After that though, whatever I charge for a WOF inspection comes entirely back to my business.

It takes a long time to recoup the intial (and ongoing) costs of being an Issuing Authority and considering the time taken to carry out the inspection, the long and the short of it is that, for a workshop such as mine there is not a great deal of money to be made in WOFs. I see it as little more than an extra service that I can offer my customers.

Well again that just seems to show everyone would be better off without WOF's... They are inaccurate, inconsistent, expensive (for both sides it seems), offer NO protection & provide people with a false sense of security (Potentially making WOF's more of a danger).

[Katman]

Well again that just seems to show everyone would be better off without WOF's... They are inaccurate, inconsistent, expensive (for both sides it seems), offer NO protection & provide people with a false sense of security (Potentially making WOF's more of a danger).

Only if they're not done correctly.

[Max Preload]

BTW did your insurance cough up when you crashed your bike?What insurance? I've never bothered with it on any vehicle. I've crashed twice in the 23 years I've been riding - a minor one in 1992 and early last year - and both times were my fault. I've had several minor fender-benders in cars and none were my fault. It just simply doesn't add up financially for me to be paying out premiums. It might if I was throwing them down the road on a regular basis.

But insurance would have paid anyway - the absence of a current WoF & current vehicle license aren't contributing factors, just as having both doesn't guarantee a payout if there's a fault you should have reasonably known about, that was a contributing factor.

[Ocean1]

And your point is?

...


Kickback? I'm intrigued to know what underhanded machinations you think the WOF process operates under.

This one:


Here's how it works.

It cost me about $600 for my WOF site application and about $150 for my personal application. Two months after handing over $750 to get my certification I was subject to my first WOF audit. The privilege of having an inspector come out to assess my progress cost me a further $650. Thankfully I scored highly enough that my periodic audits only happen every two years (at a further cost of $650 each time). WOF labels and checksheets are purchased at my cost. After that though, whatever I charge for a WOF inspection comes entirely back to my business.


Without the extra overhead you'd be getting paid for the work you were hired to do: check the bike.

As it is...


It takes a long time to recoup the intial (and ongoing) costs of being an Issuing Authority and considering the time taken to carry out the inspection, the long and the short of it is that, for a workshop such as mine there is not a great deal of money to be made in WOFs. I see it as little more than an extra service that I can offer my customers.

See, when this sort of financial imposition isn't sanctioned by 'Er Majesty's government we call it a protection racket. There's sure as fuck no practical personal or social advantage to the "service".

[Katman]

There's sure as fuck no practical personal or social advantage to the "service".

As has been said, until New Zealanders can be trusted to fully maintain the vehicles that they put on our roads amongst the rest of us, compulsory safety checks will always be necessary.

The attempts at convincing an inspector that something "shouldn't matter" could make a book.

There's people out there that don't give a fuck about the safety of their vehicle - only that they get a warrent.

[Fatt Max]

There's people out there that don't give a fuck about the safety of their vehicle - only that they get a warrent.

Thats right, and you try getting a WOF on a chieftan tank with a faulty firing pin, absolute bastard......

Mind you, the Irish navy had to de-commission their entire submarine fleet cos someone forgot to install an adequate number of parachutes...

[Ocean1]

As has been said, until New Zealanders can be trusted to fully maintain the vehicles that they put on our roads amongst the rest of us, compulsory safety checks will always be necessary.

I'm sick of hearing it, as a causal link to accident rates on public roads a WOF is statistically irrelevant. It's bullshit, always has been, some poli's wet dream in response to a model A ending up in a ditch because the NONSKID tread was worn off. And like every piece of legislation designed to manage public behaviour it's an utter failure.

[98tls]

I'm sick of hearing it, as a causal link to accident rates on public roads a WOF is statistically irrelevant. It's bullshit, always has been, some poli's wet dream in response to a model A ending up in a ditch because the NONSKID tread was worn off. And like every piece of legislation designed to manage public behaviour it's an utter failure.

Theres got to be something though eh,bugger me some of the crap young fellas get around in these days defies belief,then again most of em cant work out which way round a baseball caps worn so it no surprise that there as mechanical as a brick.

[onearmedbandit]

then again most of em cant work out which way round a baseball caps worn so it no surprise that there as mechanical as a brick.

I remember that was fashion back in the 80's too. Nothings changed with the yoof. Their fashion, their music, their attitude, their language, it's always shocked/disappointed the older generation. Even yours and mine.

[riffer]

I'm sick of hearing it, as a causal link to accident rates on public roads a WOF is statistically irrelevant. It's bullshit, always has been, some poli's wet dream in response to a model A ending up in a ditch because the NONSKID tread was worn off. And like every piece of legislation designed to manage public behaviour it's an utter failure.

While I do agree with you on this, to remove the WOF would require the onus on the Police to check more motor vehicles on the road. Thus leading to many more complaints about infringement of rights, etc.

As we are well aware, certain members of the public do like to mod their cars and suspension has, in some cases, been modded to the point of non-functionality. I have a concern this sort of thing would be harder to keep off the roads. We would still require some sort of independent assessment facility in the case of pink-stickering of cars.

A bit of a legal nightmare, but as you say, its definitely possible to do.

[Ocean1]

While I do agree with you on this, to remove the WOF would require the onus on the Police to check more motor vehicles on the road. Thus leading to many more complaints about infringement of rights, etc.


Apocryphal, to be sure but the French foreign legion had/(has?) no prohibition against the consumption of alcohol. The penalty for being found drunk on duty was death by firing squad.

In WA there are no vehicle technical compliance checks. The fine for being found with less than legal tread depth is savage.

Another thought: Compare a sample of vintage or even classic road legal cars against a poorly maintained modern car in terms of safety.

As far as I’m concerned the compliance regimes associated with the modern concept of “SAFETY” is a bit of a joke. Compare the histrionics surrounding a death from a typical traffic accident to the management of our infrastructure such that the morning commute is 45 min for over 500,000 people. That’s 43 years. Every day. More life lost than the total annual road toll.

[bogan]

I'm sick of hearing it, as a causal link to accident rates on public roads a WOF is statistically irrelevant. It's bullshit, always has been, some poli's wet dream in response to a model A ending up in a ditch because the NONSKID tread was worn off. And like every piece of legislation designed to manage public behaviour it's an utter failure.

and don't even get me started on vehicle certs, 500 bucks to tell me my vehicle is safe, I know it's safe cos I just spend fucking ages making it safer than stock :angry:

[red mermaid]

In that case you are in the minority because if dealt with these vehicles you would know the sort of modified death traps there is on our roads.

[bogan]

In that case you are in the minority because if dealt with these vehicles you would know the sort of modified death traps there is on our roads.

yeh, but surely if they are such death traps it'd show up in a wof? and I know plenty of other guys that mod properly, some even have certs, maybe you just notice the shit ones more easily/often

[scumdog]

yeh, but surely if they are such death traps it'd show up in a wof? and I know plenty of other guys that mod properly, some even have certs, maybe you just notice the shit ones more easily/often

The WOF is a 50-50 thing..it lasts 50 seconds or 50 metres, whichever comes first.

Idiots have been known to swap suspension struts to get a WOF - then put the dangerously modified ones back onto their p.o.s. car once they have got the WOF. - or even take out the coils all together

The same with wheels/tyres etc. - put good ones on for WOF then put the fat-but-smooth ones back on afterwards.

And a stack of washers to space out the wheels that were never designed for that particular car

Or fit a standard steering wheel for the WOF but then fit the small sports wheel afterwards - using pop-rivets jambed down between the splines on the wheel-boss and the steering column because the boss is too big for the column.

And so it goes on....they're out there, sharing a road somewhere with you....

[riffer]

And so it goes on....they're out there, sharing a road somewhere with you....

So speak to me from experience then SD. If we wiped the WOF and gave you the right to stop and impound cars on the side of the road for non-safety issues, what kind of can of worms would we be opening then?

[scumdog]

So speak to me from experience then SD. If we wiped the WOF and gave you the right to stop and impound cars on the side of the road for non-safety issues, what kind of can of worms would we be opening then?

Hmm, we don't impound for safety issues as it is so I would have to think about what you suggested.

(Driving a car that has been 'pink stickerered' is not an impound reason)

[Big Dave]

This. Is. Caaaaarrrrrtaaaa. :Police:

[Pixie]

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way.

However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.

Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.

Answer this question:"why do other countries not see the need for vehicle inspections?"

are their populations all diligent home mechanics and NZers aren't.

It's all bullshit and you've fallen for it.The old It's the way NZ does it so it must be the best in the world,crap.

[Pixie]

The WOF is a 50-50 thing..it lasts 50 seconds or 50 metres, whichever comes first.

Idiots have been known to swap suspension struts to get a WOF - then put the dangerously modified ones back onto their p.o.s. car once they have got the WOF. - or even take out the coils all together

The same with wheels/tyres etc. - put good ones on for WOF then put the fat-but-smooth ones back on afterwards.

And a stack of washers to space out the wheels that were never designed for that particular car

Or fit a standard steering wheel for the WOF but then fit the small sports wheel afterwards - using pop-rivets jambed down between the splines on the wheel-boss and the steering column because the boss is too big for the column.

And so it goes on....they're out there, sharing a road somewhere with you....

Thank you Scummy.Thank you for confirming the WOF is a load of shit and why it is a load of shit.:Police::niceone:

[Scuba_Steve]

The WOF is a 50-50 thing..it lasts 50 seconds or 50 metres, whichever comes first.

Idiots have been known to swap suspension struts to get a WOF - then put the dangerously modified ones back onto their p.o.s. car once they have got the WOF. - or even take out the coils all together

The same with wheels/tyres etc. - put good ones on for WOF then put the fat-but-smooth ones back on afterwards.

And a stack of washers to space out the wheels that were never designed for that particular car

Or fit a standard steering wheel for the WOF but then fit the small sports wheel afterwards - using pop-rivets jambed down between the splines on the wheel-boss and the steering column because the boss is too big for the column.

And so it goes on....they're out there, sharing a road somewhere with you....

This is where following Victoria WOULD be of benefit to the general public as they can swap as much as they like but every time a cop see them its off to the shop for another check, they would soon learn.

[Swoop]

Answer this question:"why do other countries not see the need for vehicle inspections?"

are their populations all diligent home mechanics and NZers aren't.
Is there a link between the standard of driver's licence education/testing and their responsibilities on the roads?
As a competent road user who values their "difficult to obtain" licence in another country, when they look at kiwi drivers they must piss themselves with laughter.

[Scuba_Steve]

As has been said, until New Zealanders can be trusted to fully maintain the vehicles that they put on our roads amongst the rest of us, compulsory safety checks will always be necessary.

The attempts at convincing an inspector that something "shouldn't matter" could make a book.

There's people out there that don't give a fuck about the safety of their vehicle - only that they get a warrent.

but while theirs WOF they will never learn its a catch 22. WOF's there to tell them its "safe" so why bother themselves, its like drivers are getting worse as nowadays they have pretty little lights to tell them what to do & as long as we have these pretty little lights they'll never learn to drive, they don't see a need to.

And there are ALOT of stuff in WOF's that shouldn't matter, Like my LandRover is NOT allowed the seatbelts in to pass WOF, Optional lights on my van must be working OR removed. Some rust points in the van too 1stly I have a chassis (none of this monocoque shit). 2ndly ITS A VAN I'm fucked either way!!!

[scumdog]

Thank you Scummy.Thank you for confirming the WOF is a load of shit and why it is a load of shit.:Police::niceone:

Welll....it gives me a reason to write out tickets..:msn-wink::bleh:..


But seriously, with or without WOFs the idiots would drive cars knowing they were in a dangerous state and always will, regardless of what sort of regulations were in place.

But a lot of Joe (or Josephine) Public have NO idea on how a car works or how to tell if any part is/about to be in a dangerous state - and without the WOF checks would blithely drive forever until somehting fell off the car or they crashed.

[Max Preload]

But a lot of Joe (or Josephine) Public have NO idea on how a car works or how to tell if any part is/about to be in a dangerous state - and without the WOF checks would blithely drive forever until somehting fell off the car or they crashed.It's sad how far NZ has fallen.

[puddytat]

It's sad how far NZ has fallen.

I put it down to the inbreeding.

[Pixie]

Just waiting to see some verification on this one........hmmmm...still waiting......nope.....still waiting.
Well is it for real, or just some hearsay again.:sleep:

Yep just hearsay :facepalm: idiot

[HenryDorsetCase]

But a lot of Joe (or Josephine) Public have NO idea on how a car works or how to tell if any part is/about to be in a dangerous state - and without the WOF checks would blithely drive forever until somehting fell off the car or they crashed.

sad, but true.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's sad how far NZ has fallen.

that. or cars have got so complex that people go "Eeeek, no way am I touching that". Why on my Aston Martin V12, there are all sorts of computers, sensors, and whatnot. computers for this and that, ABC, XYT traction control etc. Luckily Jeeves, my butler, in addition to being a Ninja assassin, Michelin star cook, crack shot, and procurer, is a factory certified A grade mechanic.

Here's Jeeves now: rides a Ducati, too