Pulled over for noise but have a wof. What's the deal?

[98tls]

As re title,if you get pulled over and the bloke has a word re the noise but your driving/riding with a current Wof whats the deal,wasnt on my bike but in my ute and when i said its got a wof blah blah i was told that the thing was simply to loud which to be honest i found a little strange,he pointed out the modified exhaust etc and even went to the trouble of getting underneath at the back to have a gander and commented that its nice work which it is,done properly etc and sounds nice but loud:facepalm:jesus no way,its got a nice rumble to it but compared to some of the Subarus etc the young fellas get around in its a quiet as a church mouse.So if the thing passes a wof which it does with not even a comment do i have to do anything?Fwiw a pic of said "to loud things,hardly offensive eh?

[vifferman]

The WOF doesn't really mean much, I'm afraid. All it means is that at some stage someone filled out a label - doesn't guarantee that it met the legal requirements at that time, nor that it still does (it may have been rendered illegal 5 minutes after the label was slapped on).

[cs363]

hardly offensive eh?

Bloody oath it's offensive! :bleh:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/p/e/pee_on_ford-0219-200x200.jpg

Now the wind-up's out of the way, sounds a bit like you were unlucky enough to get a c*nty cop... Have you had a noise meter near it?

[dogsnbikes]

nothing more than tax collecting we all know that,

this world is PC mad with thats too loud,
thats the wrong colour,
your too fat,
your not allowed to win as it makes others feel like they are losser's....:facepalm:

if you get a WOF as it is all good but there are wankers and wankeets out there that get a wof and them change the exhaust system too loud ones,just good cop bad cop aye

[st00ji]

so what was the outcome then, did ya get ticketed or green stickered or what?

you can have your exhaust certified

in fact the law states that exhausts modified to be significantly louder than standard are no go, which is obviously a fairly grey area.

95db seems to be used as a general rule of thumb, but of course how loud something sounds depends greatly on its surroundings.

[Genie]

That cop obvisiously has 20/20 hearing and you hurt his eardrums, or he's just jealous of your sexy red ute, he's got a Honda City at home.

Did he ticket you?


Really, depends on the cop and whether he's had it lately and whether it was good.

Friend of mine has one of those noisey subarus, she's been pulled over so many times but never ticketed...I think they just want to check out the driver, if she was young, male and under 25 there'd be tickets galore.

[Gremlin]

What the viff said. A WOF is only a point in time check, and does not grant immunity or anything for the 6-12 month period.

An officer can direct you to a testing station to have it checked, there are db limits according to engine type, it has to be tested at specified revs etc and it also details out what the area must be like, in which the test is done...

Even so, the law is stupid, full of grey areas, but in short, yes, the officer could have a problem with it, and you have to then go about sorting it (proving its not, or otherwise).

[98tls]

Interesting,so the WOFs not worth the paper its printed on eh,didnt give me a ticket nor direct me to a testing station just told me it would be a good idea to sort it before getting a ticket,buggered if i know everyone ive told about cant understand why he would have bothered as its not loud at all,jesus i am 48 years old not 18 and have no need for an offensively loud car.He was parked up talking to another cop and i had stopped at a compulsory stop then accelerated (slowly) towards where he was yapping,possibly he was just showing off to the other fella,dunno.Weird though.The thing sits pretty low and was waiting for him to start on that but said nothing.

[Mully]

A WOF basically means that the Inspector deemed it adhered to the rules at the time of the inspection.

IIRC, the cops can just listen to it and deem it "too loud" - making you take it to be sorted. AFAIK, they can do it by ear - there's no requirement for the cop to check it with a machine...

[scracha]

95db seems to be used as a general rule of thumb, but of course how loud something sounds depends greatly on its surroundings.

Don't say you's weren't warned (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/75035-New-exhaust-noise-rules?p=1589704#post1589704") about shit like this

[Genie]

you'd think after two years he'd have gotten the message, if he'd read it in the first place.:shutup:

[98tls]

Bloody oath it's offensive! :bleh:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/p/e/pee_on_ford-0219-200x200.jpg

Now the wind-up's out of the way, sounds a bit like you were unlucky enough to get a c*nty cop... Have you had a noise meter near it?

Oi you:angry:lol.Funny story from when i was in town the other day,called in to a pet shop to get a few pigs ears etc for my pup to chew (give the furniture a break) guy says "that your pup on the back of the Holden?":shit::shit: i reply "its a Ford" he replys "they all look the same these days" i said "fuck i would hate to see the state of your mrs fella":woohoo:he says nothing but simply gives me my change.:blink:

[SMOKEU]

I got rolled in the GTI-R with no mufflers, and the cop simply said "It's way too loud". He informed me that he didn't have to prove it, but that it was just his opinion. It's your word against the cop, who do you think the judge is going to believe?

[98tls]

If it comes down to it i might just take a trip to a testing station and get it metered as the thing simply isnt loud period,possibly chuck the results in the glove box so i can produce them if i get any more grief from the guy.

[Scuba_Steve]

If ya ever get a ticket for it just get it & a stock harley tested for "noise pollution" then (providing yours IS quieter then the Harley) just let 'em know where the local biker gang is if their gonna proceed to try & charge you. If they won't accept that then Media might pick it up they'll have a field day with a head line like "Police say Harley's too loud for New Zealand".

But seriously lest you be wearing a backwards cap & baggy trousers while looking through your steering wheel when driving you'll prob never get a ticket for it.

[Gubb]

That cop obvisiously has 20/20 hearing and you hurt his eardrums, or he's just jealous of your sexy red ute, he's got a Honda City at home.

HEY.

Honda Cities are FUCKING AWESOME.

[98tls]

But seriously lest you be wearing a backwards cap & baggy trousers while looking through your steering wheel when driving you'll prob never get a ticket for it.

I hear ya but all things said n done i find it well strange that the guy bothered to talk to me about it today to be honest,ive had many cars in my time inclusive of a couple of much modified and much louder inline 6s but never any problems from the law re noise.

[98tls]

HEY.

Honda Cities are FUCKING AWESOME.

Yep,my grandmother loved hers.

[SMOKEU]

If it comes down to it i might just take a trip to a testing station and get it metered as the thing simply isnt loud period,possibly chuck the results in the glove box so i can produce them if i get any more grief from the guy.

I tried that. Good luck, you'll just get accused of modifying the exhaust to make it quieter after you got snapped. The exhaust is not allowed to be noticeably or significantly louder than standard without a cert. Many cars are louder than the 95dB limit with a standard exhaust so the laws just contradicts themself.

[SMOKEU]

Yep,my grandmother loved hers.

I used to have a turbo one (City that is, not grandmother). It was quicker than my mates V8 Commodore.

[98tls]

I used to have a turbo one (City that is, not grandmother). It was quicker than my mates V8 Commodore.

Yea well thats what you get with a Commodore eh.:innocent:I love Holdens marketing team,they put Murph the whinger on tv to promote them and bingo.Speaking of the whinger anyone any idea who his driving partner is on sunday?Poor bugger whoever it is,hope he has broad shoulders when things go wrong which no doubt they will.

[jahrasti]

If it comes down to it i might just take a trip to a testing station and get it metered as the thing simply isnt loud period,possibly chuck the results in the glove box so i can produce them if i get any more grief from the guy.

If you want to do it properly then you need to get it tested from an approved place, then you get a cert stamped on it.

My sv race bike has a full leo vince. There is a thing on it that says 95db. It is alot quieter than some of the bikes I hear on the road.:yes:

[NighthawkNZ]

If it comes down to it i might just take a trip to a testing station and get it metered as the thing simply isnt loud period,possibly chuck the results in the glove box so i can produce them if i get any more grief from the guy.

even then the cop can then say it has been modified since the the test so the test certificate is invalid if he really wants to... same with WoF

[Okey Dokey]

It sounds like it is not worth the bother to get it tested and certified if the final say-so is what the policeman's ear hears. May as well carry on as per usual and hope you don't get pinged, and if you do- fight it. As others have said, it should stand in your favour that you aren't a 'boy racer" type.

[red mermaid]

The procedure is;

A noisy vehicle is heard on the road, stopped and inspected.

If it has been modified (the exhaust) and in the opinion of the officer is significantly louder than the original then he can direct that it go to a low volume vehicle certifier for an objective noise.

This certifier will measure the noise output of the vehicle using a procedure laid down by NZTA.

If the vehicle passes the exhaust is certified by issuing a certificate and placing a tamper proof plate on the exhaust of the vehicle.

If stopped again you have to be able to produce this certificate and the sticker must be visible and still affixed to the exhaust.

[Banditbandit]

HEY.

Honda Cities are FUCKING AWESOME.

Yeah ... I feel your pain ...

[MSTRS]

The procedure is;

A noisy vehicle is heard on the road, stopped and inspected.

If it has been modified (the exhaust) and in the opinion of the officer is significantly louder than the original then he can direct that it go to a low volume vehicle certifier for an objective noise.

This certifier will measure the noise output of the vehicle using a procedure laid down by NZTA.

If the vehicle passes the exhaust is certified by issuing a certificate and placing a tamper proof plate on the exhaust of the vehicle.

If stopped again you have to be able to produce this certificate and the sticker must be visible and still affixed to the exhaust.

And this works in the real world? Smokeu said it in one...

[Headbanger]

Society doesnt respect you because of the bike you ride.

It's got nothing to do with your wagon or pipes.

[red mermaid]

Trying reading what I have written again, and a little more carefully...

"If it has been modified (the exhaust)", therefore if your exhaust is not modified and still OE (Original Equipment) you will not have a problem.



And this works in the real world? Smokeu said it in one...

[MSTRS]

I read and understand your first post just fine. A LVV plate attached to an exhaust is no guarantee that it hasn't been dicked with later.
I'll admit to having trouble with your post above...

[AllanB]

Correct re certification - $150 in Christchurch. The chap here said he gives you a sticker to put on the bike - under seat etc.

He takes photos etc as part of the certification and notes up a description of the muffler etc.

In the event a certified pipe that has not been modified after the cert he has a full record to dispute any ticket etc.

I have however heard a complaint or two regarding his db reading as he is down a back section surrounded by concrete walls that reverberate the sound off them!

I do have to say that in Christchurch I have noticed a reduction in the numbers of really cars since the laws introduction.

[davereid]

I read and understand your first post just fine. A LVV plate attached to an exhaust is no guarantee that it hasn't been dicked with later.
I'll admit to having trouble with your post above...

Red is just pointing out the procedure. Like number plates, VIN numbers, and drivers licences it can be forged-tampered-beaten-avoided by anyone with the interest to do it.

The problem for authorities is, that as they increase the number of hoops to be jumped thru to get a legitimate result, it becomes easier to use an illegitimate route !

[Gubb]

Society doesnt respect you because of the bike you ride.

It's got nothing to do with your wagon or pipes.

Crap. That was my only remaining hope.....

[sinned]

The less noise from a cage the better. Why not fit the standard exhaust and do without the grief? However, I love the sound of a Ducati :woohoo:

[SMOKEU]

The less noise from a cage the better. Why not fit the standard exhaust and do without the grief? However, I love the sound of a Ducati :woohoo:

How can one not appreciate the sound of a V8 or an RB?

[red mermaid]

And you also have to produce the certificate which has a diagram of the certified exhaust set up.



I read and understand your first post just fine. A LVV plate attached to an exhaust is no guarantee that it hasn't been dicked with later.
I'll admit to having trouble with your post above...

[MSTRS]

But what I am saying is, no matter certificates etc, in the real world on the road side, there is no way to know whether a can has been internally modified since said cert was issued. Pretty hard to deconstruct a 'sealed' can, no? And even if a cop carries a dB meter (they don't?) how will he duplicate the testing conditions set down in law?

[avgas]

Interesting,so the WOFs not worth the paper its printed on eh,didnt give me a ticket nor direct me to a testing station just told me it would be a good idea to sort it before getting a ticket,buggered if i know everyone ive told about cant understand why he would have bothered as its not loud at all,jesus i am 48 years old not 18 and have no need for an offensively loud car.He was parked up talking to another cop and i had stopped at a compulsory stop then accelerated (slowly) towards where he was yapping,possibly he was just showing off to the other fella,dunno.Weird though.The thing sits pretty low and was waiting for him to start on that but said nothing.
No ticket.
Does not count for shit.

Let him have his little power trip and simply ignore him.

[jahrasti]

No ticket.
Does not count for shit.

Let him have his little power trip and simply ignore him.

Why do you say that he is on a power trip? He could be trying to educate hence no ticket.

Oh thats right the Police aren't allowed to do that :innocent:

[Banditbandit]

Why do you say that he is on a power trip? He could be trying to educate hence no ticket.

Oh thats right the Police aren't allowed to do that :innocent:

Naaa ... the cop was power tripping ... Yes they are allowed to educate - they have special officers tasked to do that .. the ordinary road side cops power trip ...

I'll bet he was short ....

[jahrasti]

Naaa ... the cop was power tripping ... Yes they are allowed to educate - they have special officers tasked to do that .. the ordinary road side cops power trip ...

I'll bet he was short ....

I call bullshit. When the law changed at the end of last year, I told a number of people that I had spoken to about the new requirements. I am not a traffic cop, I am front line, ride bikes and can put up with boy racer cars (can't say they flick my switch).

I can think of two cars off the top of my head, rotors actually that were fucking loud.
I spoke to them in the CBD where I had stopped them at different times. I gave them the benifit of the dought (even though I was 99.99999% sure that they were louder than the limit) and let them off with a blah blah talk about the new blah blah law.

Fast foward some time can't remember longer than a month though and speak to said car. He was asked about exhaust by my partner and he goes off on a KB style rant against pigs (don't ask me why pork had anything to do with it) and every thing else under the sun.

Once he had finished, it was explained to him that I had already spoken to him about it, I remember the car and him driving it. Well did he wear a frown when he remembered me speaking to him.

Had the exhaust been certed? Come on guys and girls place your bets.

The answer is not a thing.

Mind you I am 4ft in diameter by the time you factor in all my donuts and coffee:shutup:. Does that make me short or just big boned :innocent:

[avgas]

Why do you say that he is on a power trip? He could be trying to educate hence no ticket.

Oh thats right the Police aren't allowed to do that :innocent:
Nope he is allowed to educate.
Problem being was:
a) he did not follow said ute to testing facility to confirm
b) no warning was given
c) the plates were not punched into the system to confirm that this was the first time an education was given.

Also cops are usually quite nice when they are educating.
He was power tripping. Just like when I got pulled over as the RG was "smoking too much".

Fact of the matter is they don't have anything - but sure it was you doing the dodgy.......so try ANYTHING.

Cops aren't bad overall - but like everyone they have bad days.

[SMOKEU]

He was power tripping. Just like when I got pulled over as the RG was "smoking too much".


It's all good as long as "The smoke produced is not noticeably and significantly more visible than it would have been when the vehicle was manufactured and supplied with the fuel recommended by the manufacturer"

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-cert-wof-only/docs/gen-11-exhaust.pdf

[scumdog]

Naaa ... the cop was power tripping ... Yes they are allowed to educate - they have special officers tasked to do that .. the ordinary road side cops power trip ...

I'll bet he was short ....


Wow, lucky that you were there to see and hear it all eh!:innocent:

[Juzz976]

The procedure is;

A noisy vehicle is heard on the road, stopped and inspected.

If it has been modified (the exhaust) and in the opinion of the officer is significantly louder than the original then he can direct that it go to a low volume vehicle certifier for an objective noise.

This certifier will measure the noise output of the vehicle using a procedure laid down by NZTA.

If the vehicle passes the exhaust is certified by issuing a certificate and placing a tamper proof plate on the exhaust of the vehicle.

If stopped again you have to be able to produce this certificate and the sticker must be visible and still affixed to the exhaust.

Its actually the opinion of the officer, if they consider it too loud you get a ticket.
You could at the time of being pulled over measure the dB with a meter and still be liable for the ticket.
Can't wait till we see more laws coming in like this one.
I was gutted about the pre crime division not passing their law, If an officer suspects a driver may accelerate too quickly from a stand still they can be pulled over and fined. For something they may or may not have intention to do.

[jahrasti]

Nope he is allowed to educate.
Problem being was:
a) he did not follow said ute to testing facility to confirm
b) no warning was given
c) the plates were not punched into the system to confirm that this was the first time an education was given.

Also cops are usually quite nice when they are educating.
He was power tripping. Just like when I got pulled over as the RG was "smoking too much".

Fact of the matter is they don't have anything - but sure it was you doing the dodgy.......so try ANYTHING.

Cops aren't bad overall - but like everyone they have bad days.

Well well well, me oh my. I was going to write heaps of shit but will refrain as I am to busy taking notes as I watch Dirty Harry.

a/ He doesn't have to follow ute to the testing station, maybe if he was on a power trip he would have written the vehicle off the road?

b/ How do you know that a warning wasn't given? anyway for all anyone on here knows he may have been happy with the ute after he heard it up close.

c/ I know what you mean, but in seven words or less logistically it is not possible to enforce.

[tigertim20]

As re title,if you get pulled over and the bloke has a word re the noise but your driving/riding with a current Wof whats the deal,wasnt on my bike but in my ute and when i said its got a wof blah blah i was told that the thing was simply to loud which to be honest i found a little strange,he pointed out the modified exhaust etc and even went to the trouble of getting underneath at the back to have a gander and commented that its nice work which it is,done properly etc and sounds nice but loud:facepalm:jesus no way,its got a nice rumble to it but compared to some of the Subarus etc the young fellas get around in its a quiet as a church mouse.So if the thing passes a wof which it does with not even a comment do i have to do anything?Fwiw a pic of said "to loud things,hardly offensive eh?

WOF's are a little silly if you look at the fine print. You can get a WOF at 1pm, and get pulled up, and ticketed at 130pm.
reasons being that plenty of people out there take their car for a wof, the go straight home and wind down the adjusties, stick the fart cannon back on, along with their bald, illegal wide tyres that stick out from the body . .
also because items can deteriorate inbetween WOF's, a WOF is really only a snapshot of your vehicles condition on the road that stays valid untill next woftime, or untill an item is questioned by a relevant authority.

Id have thought though, that you should be able to request it be tested noise wise. and faling that you could ask to have it tested properly in a noise controlled booth (if you wanted to be a prick!!)
I didnt think that a simple 'in my opinion its too loud' sufficed now, as I thought the cops had access to devices to actually test the thing, but I may well be wrong on that.

Did you get a ticket for it or was it just a talking to?

[SMOKEU]

I didnt think that a simple 'in my opinion its too loud' sufficed now, as I thought the cops had access to devices to actually test the thing, but I may well be wrong on that.



They don't even bother testing the vehicle with anything other than their ears. Speaking from personal experience.

[AllanB]

But what I am saying is, no matter certificates etc, in the real world on the road side, there is no way to know whether a can has been internally modified since said cert was issued. Pretty hard to deconstruct a 'sealed' can, no? And even if a cop carries a dB meter (they don't?) how will he duplicate the testing conditions set down in law?

Fair comment.

But I think the people who bother to spend the $150 and get them certified are unlikely to fuck around with it after.

There are plenty of guys and gals running legal certified cars they have poured big bucks into who are not interested in being 'boy racers'.

Sounds like the cop was just giving a verbal warning re pipe - it would be interesting to see what it reads to see how far off he was.

Ironically most of the 'loud' vehicles I see around Christchurch now are big bucks HSV's and the like with big bore pipes driven by 50 year old men. I'd have to admit to desiring a louder pipe on my XR6 - just a bit more to hear the inline 6 you know ........

[98tls]

Interesting read really,at this stage i have no intention of doing anything with it,its simply not loud in anyones opinion other than his and as i live in a small town no doubt we will come across each other again soon enough,if he wants to make an issue of it then i guess ive no choice but to take a trip up to Timaru and get it tested,honestly if for one minute i thought the thing was overly loud i would simply say :fair call" and get it sorted,but its not.If i start the TL up beside it theres no way you can hear the ute and ive never had a problem with the TL.

[The Lone Rider]

Policy is, if they think it is too loud they can ticket you.

You can contest this by requesting they do a dbSPL test of your exhaust.

They are SUPPOSE to do it.. but despite the law a lot of places do not stock the equipment to measure it. And it is in the end left to "if they think it is too loud then it is".

If they refuse to accompany you to get it tested, before they fine you, ask for their badge number and who they report to, and file a complaint (and possibly send in an exhaust compliance cert if you want)


BTW, entry level dbSPL readers can be picked up from Dick Smith and Jaycar. You could carry one in the glove box and give him the finger when it shows its in legal limit?

[98tls]

Policy is, if they think it is too loud they can ticket you.

You can contest this by requesting they do a dbSPL test of your exhaust.

They are SUPPOSE to do it.. but despite the law a lot of places do not stock the equipment to measure it. And it is in the end left to "if they think it is too loud then it is".

If they refuse to accompany you to get it tested, before they fine you, ask for their badge number and who they report to, and file a complaint (and possibly send in an exhaust compliance cert if you want)


BTW, entry level dbSPL readers can be picked up from Dick Smith and Jaycar. You could carry one in the glove box and give him the finger when it shows its in legal limit?

Cheers,doubt theres the equipment for them to do it in little old Oamaru.

[Genie]

Interesting read really,at this stage i have no intention of doing anything with it,its simply not loud in anyones opinion other than his and as i live in a small town no doubt we will come across each other again soon enough,if he wants to make an issue of it then i guess ive no choice but to take a trip up to Timaru and get it tested,honestly if for one minute i thought the thing was overly loud i would simply say :fair call" and get it sorted,but its not.If i start the TL up beside it theres no way you can hear the ute and ive never had a problem with the TL.

Careful .... he may just come ping you and the sexy TL.

[sAsLEX]

The procedure is;

A noisy vehicle is heard on the road, stopped and inspected.

If it has been modified (the exhaust) and in the opinion of the officer is significantly louder than the original then he can direct that it go to a low volume vehicle certifier for an objective noise.

This certifier will measure the noise output of the vehicle using a procedure laid down by NZTA.

If the vehicle passes the exhaust is certified by issuing a certificate and placing a tamper proof plate on the exhaust of the vehicle.

If stopped again you have to be able to produce this certificate and the sticker must be visible and still affixed to the exhaust.


Correct re certification - $150 in Christchurch. The chap here said he gives you a sticker to put on the bike - under seat etc.

He takes photos etc as part of the certification and notes up a description of the muffler etc.

In the event a certified pipe that has not been modified after the cert he has a full record to dispute any ticket etc.

I have however heard a complaint or two regarding his db reading as he is down a back section surrounded by concrete walls that reverberate the sound off them!

I do have to say that in Christchurch I have noticed a reduction in the numbers of really cars since the laws introduction.


Which is were it fails!

The 1976 Traffic Regulations had the same noise level restrictions we have now.

They had a BS (British Standard) which defined how a vehicle should be measured for dB output. Including the distances, gears, directions and environments in which the sound measuring should take place.

We have replaced it with a rather "No.8 Wire" type testing method.

[Hopeful Bastard]

@ the OP.. Problem is, You have a ford. Had it been a Holden with them exhausts, You wouldnt of had a problem!


In all honesty though, I've heard some big fuck off cars go past (live beside a gap in the middle of the road to do a u-turn on) and damn... Big block Chevs, Ferrari, Holdens, Fords, Subarus.. And yes.. They do sound loud. But not loud enough!

You probably had a cop that didnt like a Nice V8 Rumble coming from a Ford...

[AllanB]

@ the OP.. Problem is, You have a ford. Had it been a Holden with them exhausts, You wouldnt of had a problem!

As a Ford owner I agree with you 100%.

As you point out a Holden would not be a issue - as we all know, even with NO muffler a Holden would make such a wimpy sound that it would not attract any attention. :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[SMOKEU]

As a Ford owner I agree with you 100%.

As you point out a Holden would not be a issue - as we all know, even with NO muffler a Holden would make such a wimpy sound that it would not attract any attention. :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Not the Falcodore debate again....

[willytheekid]

guy says "that your pup on the back of the Holden?":shit::shit: i reply "its a Ford" he replys "they all look the same these days" i said "fuck i would hate to see the state of your mrs fella":woohoo:he says nothing but simply gives me my change.:blink:

LOL :nya:...nearly spat my coffee out over that one TL.
Nice ute! (red ones go faster I hear), shame about the cop getting picky :Police:
Get the pipes certified mate, no more probs then.."another" bloody bill tho :facepalm:
I get stopped by the check points in CHCH nearly every fri/sat after work @ 1am, the cops are usually very nice (flash em the work badge :shifty:...and remind them who fixes there coms lol), there have been 2 occasions when they thought the termi's where to loud, but both times I just laughed and appologized for "PhatGirls" attitude when cold and made a friendly comment about "boyracers" forcing them to be so concerned...works nicely lol

PS: Loved the pics of the puppy!...so cute! , hope the furniture survives lol

[Indiana_Jones]

These are the sorts of people are who the pigs like to pick on these days...

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/524/794524.jpg

So to avoid this, please drive the following...

http://www.blenheimgang.com/guide/austin/images/austin_princess_1.jpg

-Indy

[scumdog]

Not the Falcodore debate again....

Pfft, no debate - Ford was making cars when General Motors was still a Private....

[scumdog]

These are the sorts of people are who the pigs like to pick on these days...

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/524/794524.jpg

So to avoid this, please drive the following...

http://www.blenheimgang.com/guide/austin/images/austin_princess_1.jpg

-Indy

Nah, they don't look fucked-up by poor skills and worse imagination...and how many Princess's do you see in a drag-train these days anyway??:shit:

[Indiana_Jones]

Nah, they don't look fucked-up by poor skills and worse imagination...and how many Princess's do you see in a drag-train these days anyway??:shit:

Come on Scumdog, all the hip kids drive in Princess's and Metro's :)

-Indy

[SMOKEU]

These are the sorts of people are who the pigs like to pick on these days...



They can't pick on you if you fail to stop.

[Indiana_Jones]

They can't pick on you if you fail to stop.

So go over 120 and they'll call it off, cunning.....:msn-wink:

-Indy

[SMOKEU]

So go over 120 and they'll call it off, cunning.....:msn-wink:

-Indy

In a 50 zone, probably. Run a red light and they'll certainly abandon the pursuit.

[Indiana_Jones]

In a 50 zone, probably. Run a red light and they'll certainly abandon the pursuit.

Or toss a few bricks out the window as you go along.

-Indy

[SMOKEU]

Or toss a few bricks out the window as you go along.

-Indy

Or throw a rubbish bin at the cop car. I heard over the scanner someone did that yesterday.