Spoiler: MotoGP Sepang. [Archive]

NZsarge

10th October 2010, 21:03

Vale!!! :sunny: :woohoo: :2thumbsup

I didn't actually see the race — what happened to Stoner?

And how good is it to see Dovi stepping up!

Stoner :nya: :violin: Binned without even completing a lap

DidJit

10th October 2010, 21:15

Oooh... bugger.

rachprice

10th October 2010, 21:17

Ohhhh bloody stoner, he has been so bloody inconsistent this year!

Fuck yeah Jorge deserves it!!!

Love the body language during the interviews etc, Rossi was HATING it, he definitely knows how to work the media I reckon

Shame dovi couldn't pass
Rossi was on form though

Loving the scrap between the ex-250 boys!Very nice ride from Bautista and Im glad Aoyama managed to get Simoncelli!

pritch

10th October 2010, 21:49

Ohhhh bloody stoner, he has been so bloody inconsistent this year!

The Duc has had a front end grip problem this year.

What they seem to need is a talented development rider.
Oh! That's right, they're about to get one.

carbonhed

11th October 2010, 07:18

Fuck I enjoyed that. Good battles throughout. Bautista impressive again. Simoncelli... fatigue making him dangerous? Dovi making another step aaaaaand Rossi... what can you say.

Lorenzo cruising to World Championship.

roogazza

11th October 2010, 07:20

Vale!!! :sunny: :woohoo: :2thumbsup

what happened to Stoner?

Vale, stunning, muffed the start and from 11th ! Won. :woohoo:

Stoner, boom or bust as usual.

Horhay, used his brain this time and cruised to 3rd and championship. G.

Crasherfromwayback

11th October 2010, 07:31

Vale, stunning, muffed the start and from 11th ! Won. :woohoo: He is back after injury.

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He certainly rode a great race! Funny how his shoulder is only a problem when he's getting beat up though eh?

rachprice

11th October 2010, 07:43

The Duc has had a front end grip problem this year.

What they seem to need is a talented development rider.
Oh! That's right, they're about to get one.

Yeah but first lap crashes? I realise the front end has been a bit of an issue, but he was looking on fire, pushing a little hard before he got enough heat into the tyres?

But also they are getting Burgess, I don't Rossi would be nearly as good without him

roogazza

11th October 2010, 07:59

He certainly rode a great race! Funny how his shoulder is only a problem when he's getting beat up though eh?

We know lots go on behind the garage doors, who really knows? Different circuits seem affect his results,might be the type of corners? On another site I follow there are guys that reckon the factories control it all, like good and bad bikes.
Whatever, I bet Rossi was fired up to win that. G.

Crasherfromwayback

11th October 2010, 08:04

He certainly did his best to steal Lorenzo's thunder...to no avail!

I've said it before (many times actually)...but bring on season 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Badjelly

11th October 2010, 08:09

But also they are getting Burgess

Who is getting Burgess? Last I heard was this

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/September/sep2310-Ducati-expects-Jerry-Burgess-to-sign-2011-deal/

rachprice

11th October 2010, 08:13

Who is getting Burgess? Last I heard was this

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2010/September/sep2310-Ducati-expects-Jerry-Burgess-to-sign-2011-deal/

Do you really think Rossi would leave without him?
Though if he is retiring (he has had an amazing run) it will be very interesting to see how Rossi deals with the Ducati....knowing him though he will probably get it working

rachprice

11th October 2010, 08:16

We know lots go on behind the garage doors, who really knows? Different circuits seem affect his results. On another site I follow there are guys that reckon the factories control it all. Whatever , I bet Rossi was fired up to win that. G.

Yeah but some circuits you think would be worse on his shoulder but if he does well there is no talk of it

He knows exactly how to work the media, to be honest I think he whines as much as the rest of them but he manages to get away with it because he has portrayed himself in exactly the way he wants....has the media round his little finger! An extremely intelligent man!

carbonhed

11th October 2010, 08:37

In the Eurosport commentary they we're talking about Rossi moving under the red light at the last race... so I didn't imagine it. Not getting pinged for it is just total bullshit.

Crasherfromwayback

11th October 2010, 08:58

In the Eurosport commentary they we're talking about Rossi moving under the red light at the last race... so I didn't imagine it. Not getting pinged for it is just total bullshit.

He could've been pinged a couple of times over the years for cutting across the track too but never has been.

roogazza

11th October 2010, 09:50

[QUOTE=rachprice;1129880894]Yeah but some circuits you think would be worse on his shoulder but if he does well there is no talk of it

That's what I mean, some circuits may be worse for his problems, only he knows.
Watch 2011 he'll be there.

Ivan

11th October 2010, 11:15

Yeah but first lap crashes? I realise the front end has been a bit of an issue, but he was looking on fire, pushing a little hard before he got enough heat into the tyres?

But also they are getting Burgess, I don't Rossi would be nearly as good without him

Those tires have enough heatin themk they are on warmers for ages then they do a warm up lap then start the race I am gathering you have not used tire warmers yet? I am not picking on you either by the way just saying something tire warmers make the tires ready to go from the word go

Ivan

11th October 2010, 11:18

Rossi was the best rider there on the day,

its a shame about Hayden I really like him as a rider but he just didnt do it this time heres hoping next year for him

Crasherfromwayback

11th October 2010, 11:35

its a shame about Hayden I really like him as a rider but he just didnt do it this time heres hoping next year for him

Really think he'll be much better off when they go back to the thous

rachprice

11th October 2010, 13:08

Crasherfromwayback

11th October 2010, 13:39

discodan

11th October 2010, 13:41

Those tires have enough heatin themk they are on warmers for ages then they do a warm up lap then start the race I am gathering you have not used tire warmers yet? I am not picking on you either by the way just saying something tire warmers make the tires ready to go from the word go

That's true to an extent but I read somewhere that the optimum temperature for those bridgestones is well above 100c and the warmers would be about 70-80c so there is still a fair bit of temperature missing when they go for thier warmup lap.

Having said that, you would think that he would have crashed on one of the first corners rather than the last if his tyres weren't up to temperature.

Ivan

11th October 2010, 15:43

That's true to an extent but I read somewhere that the optimum temperature for those bridgestones is well above 100c and the warmers would be about 70-80c so there is still a fair bit of temperature missing when they go for thier warmup lap.

Having said that, you would think that he would have crashed on one of the first corners rather than the last if his tyres weren't up to temperature.

Yip,

I just think that the crash happened due to pushing it the first lap as you would know is always the most intense as everyone is all red misted and going for it then it starts to settle down a bit

pritch

11th October 2010, 21:25

Yeah but some circuits you think would be worse on his shoulder but if he does well there is no talk of it

Not entirely true, it was discussed briefly, but in some detail during the Motegi commentary.

Apparently he was anticipating the shoulder being more of a problem there but the the symptoms are worse if the bike is leaned over while braking.

As for Rossi the development rider, Mat Oxley in the November issue of BIKE:
"No one else has such an ability to absorb, compute, and translate, bike behaviour. Every engineer you speak to - from Yamaha to Ohlins to Bridgestone - agrees that Rossi gives clarity of feedback like no other."

Of course I realise that Oxley's CV and years of experience (Google it if you have to) will be as nought compared to some on KB :whistle:

roogazza

12th October 2010, 07:23

Not entirely true, it was discussed briefly, but in some detail during the Motegi commentary.

Apparently he was anticipating the shoulder being more of a problem there but the the symptoms are worse if the bike is leaned over while braking.

As for Rossi the development rider, Mat Oxley in the November issue of BIKE:
"No one else has such an ability to absorb, compute, and translate, bike behaviour. Every engineer you speak to - from Yamaha to Ohlins to Bridgestone - agrees that Rossi gives clarity of feedback like no other."

Of course I realise that Oxley's CV and years of experience (Google it if you have to) will be as nought compared to some on KB :whistle:

I have several of Max Oxleys books, he's been around a long time. I remember him doing bike tests and racing Production in the 70's.

I don't doubt Rossi will adjust the Ducati to suit, if it even has problems ? G.

rachprice

12th October 2010, 07:26

Not entirely true, it was discussed briefly, but in some detail during the Motegi commentary.

Apparently he was anticipating the shoulder being more of a problem there but the the symptoms are worse if the bike is leaned over while braking.

As for Rossi the development rider, Mat Oxley in the November issue of BIKE:
"No one else has such an ability to absorb, compute, and translate, bike behaviour. Every engineer you speak to - from Yamaha to Ohlins to Bridgestone - agrees that Rossi gives clarity of feedback like no other."

Of course I realise that Oxley's CV and years of experience (Google it if you have to) will be as nought compared to some on KB :whistle:

Maybe.... still I think there maybe a little truth in it, like I say he is a smart man and knows how to work the media!

And no doubt he is an amazing development rider, I said knowing him he would probably get it working. Rossi has been around a long time and at the top, he couldn't just be riding on others to be there. I just don't think as quickly without Burgess.

And if you are implying that I think I know better, I am the first to admit I don't know much

rachprice

12th October 2010, 07:28

Yip,

I just think that the crash happened due to pushing it the first lap as you would know is always the most intense as everyone is all red misted and going for it then it starts to settle down a bit

Pushing it on a cold tyre??

Anyway Ducati and Stoner both have said it probably was a cold tyre. Interestingly though Stoner said he didn't want to push it too hard on the first lap because he knew they would be cold......could be subject to recall bias though!

MDR2

12th October 2010, 09:28

Those tires have enough heatin themk they are on warmers for ages then they do a warm up lap then start the race I am gathering you have not used tire warmers yet? I am not picking on you either by the way just saying something tire warmers make the tires ready to go from the word go

Im not 100% but I think he was on extra hard on the front, and trying to keep up with the lead 2. maybe should have waited a lap or two more before chucking the pace he was into it. The fact he had it up right and keeping up was impressive though. The classic front end slide is kind of his thing though.

Cleve

12th October 2010, 11:38

One of the better MotoGP races of the year. (And I have enjoyed them all despite some tossers thinking earlier races were boring! :shutup:) Never dismiss the Doctor (as some on here did).
Well done to Lorenzo. A deserved champion. I feel Rossi wanted to battle with Lorenzo again like in Motegi - that is why he slowed down (and actually Dovi managed to overtake him at that time). However Lorenzo didn't take the bait this time and still hung back to make sure he was world champ. I think this was Rossi's intention in both Motegi and Sepang. Make Lorenzo battle and potentially crash to push the championship to the end. I think Rossi REALLY dislikes Lorenzo more than anyone else in the field. Shame Stoner and Pedrosa weren't in the mix as they both could have pushed Rossi for the win.

Crasherfromwayback

12th October 2010, 11:51

One of the better MotoGP races of the year. (And I have enjoyed them all despite some tossers thinking earlier races were boring! :shutup:) Never dismiss the Doctor (as some on here did).
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I've stated that I doubt Rossi has another championship in him, and I stand by that!

Mind you...I said that last year and the bastard proved me wrong!!

If he can get another title next year on the Ducati...he surely will be considered the greatest of all time!

MDR2

12th October 2010, 15:49

I've stated that I doubt Rossi has another championship in him, and I stand by that!

Mind you...I said that last year and the bastard proved me wrong!!

If he can get another title next year on the Ducati...he surely will be considered the greatest of all time!

I think Rossi himself has many more titles within him, I think it will come down to the packages he's given to complete them on, he's fortunate that he doesn't carry many old injuries like alot of older riders do, he's has a blessed career which has seen him take a few tumbles but not sustain huge injuries (this curent season being the exception.)

I have no doubt the guy has a fairly annoying shoulder problem I magine they'll be pumping cortizone into him to keep him going till end of season, i only hope this does not have a negative effect on him over the long term.

Time will tell though!

If someone like Capirossi can stick around as long as he has and still have a ride after this long I think as long as it's fun for Rossi out there he'll be getting amongst and making it difficult for others to run away with titles.

pritch

12th October 2010, 17:50

I think Rossi himself has many more titles within him, I think it will come down to the packages he's given to complete them on,

Hayden is reported as saying that if Rossi isn't winning on the Duc the Italian fans will burn the factory down.

Whatever, I hope next season holds more excitement than this one...

roogazza

13th October 2010, 07:28

Crasherfromwayback

13th October 2010, 08:14

Don't fight it pete, go with the flow ! :woohoo:

This guy is a tough act to beat! They don't mention his 500/250 double titles in the same year trick either. It's no wonder the guy burnt out so young!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/oct/061013-19.htm

pritch

13th October 2010, 08:47

It's no wonder the guy burnt out so young!!!

He didn't burn out as such, he had a soft tissue injury (abraded nerve or tendon?). The surgeons had several shots at it but the damage was permanent.

Reading about what happened to Spencer makes me think that Rossi should clear off and get his shoulder fixed before he creates a similar problem for himself.

Crasherfromwayback

13th October 2010, 08:59

He didn't burn out as such, he had a soft tissue injury (abraded nerve or tendon?). The surgeons had several shots at it but the damage was permanent.

Reading about what happened to Spencer makes me think that Rossi should clear off and get his shoulder fixed before he creates a similar problem for himself.

Yeah I've read several stories on the theories as to why he faded so quickly all of a sudden, crying shame no matter what the real reason was.

And yes...I think Rossi has nothing left to prove or do this season. Best he gets repaired asap for the tough season ahead.

roogazza

13th October 2010, 11:24

This guy is a tough act to beat! They don't mention his 500/250 double titles in the same year trick either. It's no wonder the guy burnt out so young!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/oct/061013-19.htm

Yes I remember him getting rubbished and doubted for the way he went out, but he was another one of those special creatures for sure. G.

Crasherfromwayback

13th October 2010, 11:31

Yes I remember him getting rubbished and doubted for the way he went out, but he was another one of those special creatures for sure. G.

You can buy a couple of his bikes if you like!

http://rmdmotors.com/freddie-spencers-ns500-nsr250/

MDR2

13th October 2010, 17:01

Yeah I've read several stories on the theories as to why he faded so quickly all of a sudden, crying shame no matter what the real reason was.

And yes...I think Rossi has nothing left to prove or do this season. Best he gets repaired asap for the tough season ahead.

I've been pondering this situation a wee while... that is the 'hey things aren't going my way i think i'll quit the season early and get some surgery' situation.

Whilst obviously his health is and should be the first and foremost thing he should be considering, what right would he have to just quit a season before it ends? he's signed a contract and is being paid to ride. If I was a team boss i'd be pleanty pissed if I had a rider who was capable of riding but because he had an owie didn't want to finish the season.

There may well be a clause in his contract though with regards to this exact situation that allows him to opt out.

Still. you would think the guy would be contractually obliged to finish the season.

pritch

13th October 2010, 20:33

Still. you would think the guy would be contractually obliged to finish the season.

Like Pedrosa?

Then there was the thing where Yamaha are contracted to put two bikes out after a couple of rounds as happened earlier in the season. That may have something to do with the timing?

I guess they all know the rules even if they argue about the fine detail as with Honda and Dovizioso

Crasherfromwayback

14th October 2010, 07:32

How 'bout a nice picture of Bautista!? I hope he goes well next year too...221177

NZsarge

14th October 2010, 12:26

How 'bout a nice picture of Bautista!? I hope he goes well next year too...221177

Did I ear them say he was headed to Moto 2 next year?

Crasherfromwayback

14th October 2010, 12:44

No, think he's safe for now

svr

14th October 2010, 17:31

This guy is a tough act to beat! They don't mention his 500/250 double titles in the same year trick either. It's no wonder the guy burnt out so young!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/oct/061013-19.htm

Cheers for that. Spencer fading into a joke was pretty disappointing.
Nice reminder that talent is not as important as longevity and raw desire to keep on winning.
Rossi is the best ever. But will get his beans from Stoner next year!

Crasherfromwayback

14th October 2010, 17:34

But will get his beans from Stoner next year!

As long as he stays on the fucking thing!

svr

14th October 2010, 18:51

As long as he stays on the fucking thing!

Keep the faith mate. He's just a guy that overrides a dodgy bike to stay at the front. Maybe he should go to the Eddie Lawson school of points collection during the off-season.
No matter - next year will be on a machine that does corners.
Anyway, nothing wrong with a bit of win or bin aye???!

Crasherfromwayback

14th October 2010, 19:48

Keep the faith mate. He's just a guy that overrides a dodgy bike to stay at the front. Maybe he should go to the Eddie Lawson school of points collection during the off-season.
No matter - next year will be on a machine that does corners.
Anyway, nothing wrong with a bit of win or bin aye???!

Aye...he's still the fastest cunt to ever race a motorcycle! And win or bin?...I'm all for it. Always was, always will be!