Pilot Power vs Pilot Power 2ct - Wozza diff?

[slofox]

OK, so I know that the 2ct has dual compound and the straight power doesn't. This should mean less squaring off in the centre of the 2ct tyre, yes? And maybe more km per set. Oh and if I read the blurb, there is slightly softer rubber on the 2ct edges than the power edges. And a miniscule greater lean angle quoted for the 2ct's. Not that I ever lean that far anyway...

Apart from the above, is there any other difference that you know about?

Fact is The Vixen will need new treads very soon and I am looking at what we can get. I would've been happy with PP2ct's but my supplier of choice (Boyds) don't have stock of the front tyre size in the 2ct's and their supplier has no ETA of more stock. But they have both sizes in the straight PP...so I am tossing up.

Spose I could just get another set of 016's...that's what's on there at the moment and they seem to be OK for the sort of riding I do ("sensible" :whistle:)...

Course then there's the Pilot Pures, an' the Conti's as well - about which I know eff all...an' Pirellis an' an' an' ...too many choices...:facepalm:

May as well just toss a coin...

[Latte]

The BT016's are meant to be good "hypersport" tires (having just purchased a set they better be haha).

One thing to note is if the ones you have are the originals (ie they were fitted when you bought the bike new). they are a different version (only 1 compound on the front, and 2 on the rear, where as non-oem BT016's have 2 and 3).

[kiwifruit]

Pilot Power 2ct:

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Etc:

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[slofox]

The BT016's are meant to be good "hypersport" tires (having just purchased a set they better be haha).

One thing to note is if the ones you have are the originals (ie they were fitted when you bought the bike new). they are a different version (only 1 compound on the front, and 2 on the rear, where as non-oem BT016's have 2 and 3).

Current tyres are the second set, so not OEM's.

That's a great chart Kiwifruit - I haven't come across it before. Muchos Gracias for that.

[AllanB]

I thought the 2C PP's were a overall softer compound(s) than the standard PP.

And supply issues with PR2 again ........ poo-sticks to them - this happens every spring!

Some info.

http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/index.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004103725&codePage=2092004103725_07092004135921&lang=EN

Don't take offense but from your description of riding style you really have a big choice of fully capable tyres to choose from. All of the new sport-touring hoops are very good performers, and there are some new ones on the market (Angel, Conti Road2) you'll find a lot is just personal preference.

[AllanB]

Also consider the tyre profile - the more sporty ones tend to be more pointy (for want of a term) on the front and offer a quicker turn-in when cornering - fine for some, others prefer the rounder sport touring profile that requires more input from the rider to avoid a 'tipping' feeling.

A bike ago I found it took me a bit of time to get used to and trust a front Conti Sport as it dropped into a corner more then being rolled in by me. No worries as it stuck like smelly stuff just unsettled me initially. And no, I'm not gay :laugh:

[Owl]

I've just come off PP's, 2CT front and standard PP rear. Ok tyres, but if you're not going to get a real sharp price, why not try out the latest greatest, like the Pure's or M5 Metzeler's?

I've just fitted some Pirelli Rosso's, which are probably old technology, but then I also only paid $330 for the pair.:D

[SPP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXnAE6azuwU&feature=related

[slofox]

I've just come off PP's, 2CT front and standard PP rear. Ok tyres, but if you're not going to get a real sharp price, why not try out the latest greatest, like the Pure's or M5 Metzeler's?

I've just fitted some Pirelli Rosso's, which are probably old technology, but then I also only paid $330 for the pair.:D

They were talking me into the Pures. But I have read mixed reviews of them - seems they are niggly about pressures...just dunno about them.

I see Cycletreads have the correct size front in the PP 2ct. Could always get one from them if I was totally frantic for them...

Meh. Today I am leaning towards another set of 016's. Tomorrow? Who Knows?

[cowboyz]

As far as videos goes. Who think this promo makes you go... Power pures.... for those who cant ride on their own side of the road......s


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[Grubber]

For me the 2ct has been awesome. I had originally a 016 on my Daytona and got 10,000 k out of them which i thought was pretty good, but then i changed them to the PP 2ct and i have now done about 12000k with still plenty of tread on it. Thats doing 2 track days at Hampton Downs too. They still roll into the corners just like a new one.
So all in all i would say that the PP 2ct is pretty damn fine and worth the money.
My 2c worth.

[Owl]

They were talking me into the Pures. But I have read mixed reviews of them - seems they are niggly about pressures...just dunno about them.

Yeah I understand pressures need to be kept up due to thinner carcass etc. It's your money of course, so you have to be the one happy with your decision.

[Cheshire Cat]

theyre the same except the 2ct i think...theyre AWESOME tyres tho

[SPP]

Hey slofox,

I've had 015's, PR2s, PP2CT, 016s (2 sets B2B), and now Q2s and they're all awesome.

Pick a set based on feel. They all have monster grip and last about the same km. Layman's (me) assessment:

* 016s if you like neutral
* PP / 2CT if you like to drop into turns
* PR2s if you like to drag the bike into turns
* Q2s if you like to roll into turns (quickly)... and keep on rolling :shit:

Also, the PP 2CT centre is the same compound as the PP (I think). If you do a lot of straight up riding and square them then the turn in gets really horrible. Mine did at 3/4 through whereas 016s stay in shape until the last 1000km.

[slofox]

Hey slofox,

I've had 015's, PR2s, PP2CT, 016s (2 sets B2B), and now Q2s and they're all awesome.

Pick a set based on feel. They all have monster grip and last about the same km. Layman's (me) assessment:

* 016s if you like neutral
* PP / 2CT if you like to drop into turns
* PR2s if you like to drag the bike into turns. Are super plush!
* Q2s if you like to roll into turns (quickly)... and keep on rolling :shit: Sloppy means wobbly.

Also, the PP 2CT centre is the same compound as the PP (I think). If you do a lot of straight up riding and flat spot them then the turn in gets really horrible. Mine did at 3/4 through whereas 016s stay in shape until the last 1000km.

Thanks SPP - excellent feedback.

Still leaning towards the 016's at this point in time...and even though the current 016 rear is as square as, the turn in isn't as bad as some I have had (thinking the ratshit OEM Dunlops on the SV...)

I had PR2ct's on the SV - two sets B2B, Liked them but they too got lurchy once they flattened off a bit. Oh and the fronts used to scallop to hell as well...

Over all, I have quite liked the way the 016's have performed over the time I've been on them (6 months, 6000km). If it ain't broke, why fix it, huh?

[SPP]

Thats spot on. No need to relearn new tyres if they work for ya... but greener grass and all that :facepalm: ah well.

[slofox]

Decided to stay with the Bridgestones...coz there are no 120/70 PP2ct's in the country and no ETA either...

Unfortunately the "tyre fund" account is only half full...buggrit

[SVboy]

I like the Bridgies too Slofox, BUT I have PP2cts on the Gixxer now, and love em! The OEM 016s lasted 4500kms ish-the 2cts are at 5500kms now-front is fine-rear ok-perhaps 500-1000kms? I have a very good 2nd hand set of Pures to try next-$250 to you if you want to try them!! My track gixxer has Bridgie 002s on, and I like those a lot, but a friend on a CBR600rr has 2cts on and goes alot faster on the track[Not hard to go faster than me!!] Bottom line-you cant lose! I did note that roll in was a lot faster on the PPs than the Bridgies, and took a wee bit to get used to.

[AllanB]

BT-016 Hmmm, maybe another tyre to consider when the PR2's wear out.

I like the PR2 but there is really no reason not to try something new.... well unless they turn out to be crap. :shutup:

[slofox]

I like the Bridgies too Slofox, BUT I have PP2cts on the Gixxer now, and love em! The OEM 016s lasted 4500kms ish-the 2cts are at 5500kms now-front is fine-rear ok-perhaps 500-1000kms? I have a very good 2nd hand set of Pures to try next-$250 to you if you want to try them!! My track gixxer has Bridgie 002s on, and I like those a lot, but a friend on a CBR600rr has 2cts on and goes alot faster on the track[Not hard to go faster than me!!] Bottom line-you cant lose! I did note that roll in was a lot faster on the PPs than the Bridgies, and took a wee bit to get used to.

I'll look for PP2ct's next time I have to retyre...was a bit disappointed that the fronts are unavailable..

You'd wonder, wouldn'ya - who in their right mind would bring in a whole stack of rears but have no fronts to go with 'em..? I can say that John at Boyds was less than impressed with the situation...as was the dude at Cycletreads...

Oh well, the 016's have been fine up until now and I'm sure will be much more capable than I am anyway...(that's not that hard...)

[SVboy]

Hmmmm interesting... Anyway Slofox, I have a set of nearly new HELIBARs for GSXR k6-k9 600/750s, in case you are interested-cheap too!

[slofox]

Hmmmm interesting... Anyway Slofox, I have a set of nearly new HELIBARs for GSXR k6-k9 600/750s, in case you are interested-cheap too!

Hafta pay for the friggin' tyres first eh...

[Owl]

BT-016 Hmmm, maybe another tyre to consider when the PR2's wear out.

I like the PR2 but there is really no reason not to try something new.... well unless they turn out to be crap. :shutup:

They're good, but in a totally different class to the PR2. Don't plan on getting the same km's out of the 016!

[slofox]

They're good, but in a totally different class to the PR2. Don't plan on getting the same km's out of the 016!

This'll be the third set of 016's on this bike - at 15000km.

[Owl]

This'll be the third set of 016's on this bike - at 15000km.

I chewed out the 016 rear in about 4500km, whereas the PR2 was 9000km with tread left. I really liked the 016 rear though, but wasn't overly keen on the front?

[AllanB]

They're good, but in a totally different class to the PR2. Don't plan on getting the same km's out of the 016!

'Sportier' I am presuming.

I figured with the rather low annual km rate I achieved in the past 12 months I'd consider a sticky set next time and just ride faster :woohoo:

Either that or get my act together and more riding time - should be this summer as until EQC sort me out I won't be doing those jobs on the house :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[SVboy]

Yep-016s are much stickier than PR2s. Pr2s meant to be a good tyre however. 016s compare with ppct2s. PPct2 seem to last longer. I like both, the Bridgestone seems to give a very inspiring neutral "safe" and grippy feeling, while the PP2ct is more "tippy" and rolls into turns easily.Takes a little getting used to. The 016 "grains up" more noticeably on the track and the PP2 can get greasy if really hot, on the track[Not that I have ever gotten then that hot!!].[ Not that either of these tyres are dedicated track tyres]

[slofox]

Bought a set of 016's online today. $428.00 delivered to my door...cycletreads.

[SVboy]

I too have availed myself of that deal. Great value!

[slofox]

Bought a set of 016's online today. $428.00 delivered to my door...cycletreads.

Tyres arrived yesterday - slight delay in shipping due to no stock, But ready to fit next Tuesday. Along with 18k service...

[SVboy]

Jeez-mine arrived 2 weeks ago!! BUT, first I have to finish the 2cts-6500kms and still a bit left and then a 2nd hand set of PURES. Boy I have enjoyed those 2cts.