NI Round 4 and Two-hour, 13 & 14 November

[Henk]

Just thought I'd throw the dates up in case anyone hadn't worked it out.

[ac3_snow]

:woohoo: o yea only two weeks away now!
So whats the story with the north island series on Saturday. Can I come along and get in everyones way as per usual or is the north island series for the more serious bikes?

[Henk]

Feel free to come along and get in everyones way, there are plenty of others who will have only done one round and A and B grades have been run at the three rounds so far.

[NSR143]

Feel free to come along and get in everyones way, there are plenty of others who will have only done one round and A and B grades have been run at the three rounds so far.

Don't forget if we end up with too many we will have to give priority to previous entrants... until we figure a better way of doing it ay!

Next year qualifying might have to be part of the scene at each meeting.

[Detlev]

Don't forget if we end up with too many we will have to give priority to previous entrants... until we figure a better way of doing it ay!

Next year qualifying might have to be part of the scene at each meeting.



Preference shoild still be given to the riders that have done the 3 previous events.Imagine going all the way to Auckland after having done the other 3 rounds and losing out because of a mishap while qualifying.:shit:

[Henk]

Part of me says you are right.
Part of me says it's the NI series not the prepared to travel series so don't crash during qualifying.

[grantnz]

Preference shoild still be given to the riders that have done the 3 previous events.Imagine going all the way to Auckland after having done the other 3 rounds and losing out because of a mishap while qualifying.:shit:

Yeah, quailifying should only apply to those who turn up to round one, then after that its where you stand on points from there on for the remaining rounds. Thats the fair way to do it. Should not turn up for round 3 having not done 1 & 2 and then qualify fastest and be on pole.

[Henk]

I suspect that things will be done the same as previous rounds with grid set by current points. Could be full grids with it being the day before the two hour and all. Had 30 A grade and 18 B grade show up last week for 18 grid positions in each class. Having said that some of the faster Auckland riders may well stay home since the two hour clashes with an AMCC club round at Puke on Sunday.

[kel]

As I have not competed in any rounds so far and dont have a handle on the way your current grids are set I might be about to make an arse of myself ...
The system used currently at Mt Wellington is fair for all parties and could be considered for this series also. We have two qualifying races to determine the points race grid positions. The qualifying race grid positions are based on current series points. Each riders total points acquired from the qualifying races determines their grid position for the actual points race.
This system gives priority to previous results but is also fair to everyone who turns up wanting to race

[Shorty_925]

As I have not competed in any rounds so far and dont have a handle on the way your current grids are set I might be about to make an arse of myself ...
The system used currently at Mt Wellington is fair for all parties and could be considered for this series also. We have two qualifying races to determine the points race grid positions. The qualifying race grid positions are based on current series points. Each riders total points acquired from the qualifying races determines their grid position for the actual points race.
This system gives priority to previous results but is also fair to everyone who turns up wanting to race

How do you split people into the qualifing races to make that fair?

[kel]

How do you split people into the qualifing races to make that fair?

To the best of my knowledge the names are drawn out of a hat (Henk can probably confirm actual method). i.e. the first 16 names drawn are qualifying race 1 heat 1 the remainder are qualifying race 1 heat 2. All the names go back in the hat and are redrawn for qualifying race 2 heats.
Having two sets of seperately drawn qualifying races is the key, the combined results are pretty accurate as to correct setup for the race grid.
Of course timed qualifying would be the way to go but our method is a lot simpler and time effective plus we get extra race time - a win win for everyone involved!

[Henk]

As far as I know, and I could be wrong, the heats are seeded from curent series points. The first two heats are populated by taking the top and bottom half of the sign on sheet and the second two heats are split odds and evens in the order of signing on.
Don't really care how it's done but as Detlev said it would kind of suck to not make the points races at the home round having dragged myself to Taumarunui, Wellington and Roys Hill for the rest of the series.

[Detlev]

For the next season it might pay to add a C group to the fray as rider entries seem to grow or one might have to run 2 A and or 2 B groups .After one heat take the top finishers from each respective group and put them together for the next race.

[Henk]

Shall we see how next weekend pans out before we start planning next years series.
At the end of the day it is the NI series so it should be about who is fastest. Don't qualify at a round where there are lots of fast buggers and you probably shouldnt score any points for the round. Consistency should still count, but not as much as speed on the day.

[NSR143]

Shall we see how next weekend pans out before we start planning next years series.
At the end of the day it is the NI series so it should be about who is fastest. Don't qualify at a round where there are lots of fast buggers and you probably shouldnt score any points for the round. Consistency should still count, but not as much as speed on the day.

Quite right... chill everyone. IF we ever have timing gear it will be based on qualifiying for grid positions... i think thats how they do it at other race meetings????? or maybe at MotoGP they see who travelled the furthest and give them a head start... Or we could issue riders with swords and knives and do a last man standing gets pole position and choice of other riders body parts to take home. We look forward to seeing you all there, if there's room on the track for everyone!!

[Henk]

I like the knives and swords idea, can we make that plan A?

[50bucketracer]

The way the grids are done for the F4 A grade @ the AMCC club championship rounds are based on the series points chart as follows. The field is divided into 2 heats, with the 1st prelim heats being: H1 - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th etc from the points & H2 - 2nd, 4th, 6th etc. Then the 2nd prelim is also divided into 2 heats, in a different order decided by Wendy, which I think last time was: H3 - 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 9th, 10th etc & H4 - 3rd, 4th, 7th, 8th. 11th, 12th etc. Anyway, the points from these 4 heats (with each rider competing in 2) are added up to determine the top 18 on the grid for the points races. A repecharge race is the run to select the final 2 grid positions from those that missed the 1st cut. All fairly complicated, but necessary when there are too many fast riders.

[F5 Dave]

I used to enjoy coming up for these. Actually I hated the coming up part but the racing was good.


So who won?

[kel]

So who won?[/QUOTE]

2hr - Team Diprose cleaned up, I think they may have set a new record?
Nth Island series - Hmm those Diprose guys again, clean sweep for the locals!

[F5 Dave]

Ha, I was going to add, should I even ask? How many times now Dave? Though I assume with son Nat rather than his Brother Steve like the old days. These poor old unreliable 4 strokes don't have a chance in these longer events huh?:innocent:

[Shorty_925]

So who won?

Nth Island series - Hmm those Diprose guys again, clean sweep for the locals!

And overall for the series? Who got the places for the series in b-grade?

[Henk]

I think B grade may have been a clean sweep for Hawkes bay since none were there for prizegiving.

1st Brent
2nd Detlev
3rd I can't remember but pretty sure they had gone home.
4h on sorry no idea

[Shorty_925]

I think B grade may have been a clean sweep for Hawkes bay since none were there for prizegiving.

1st Brent
2nd Detlev
3rd I can't remember but pretty sure they had gone home.
4h on sorry no idea

3rd or 4th are in hospital at the moment waiting the outcome...fun times...

[Henk]

Any idea how the patients are? I know Brent at least was from down your way

[Dutchee]

Give both patients my best wishes. First one (I think Brent?) was really disconcerting having to ride past and then get the race red-flagged. henk's mum had turned up for the first ever time and we always tell her it's pretty safe (for bikes racing each other).

Kamikaze - I saw him just after he'd crashed, was glad to see him moving, and then when he was back on the bike, thought, cool, he must be okay. When I saw him down again, I thought, obviously the first crash was worse than he'd realised, and saw him sort of looking/feeling his foot.

Not really a good result for anyone down that way (except Max and Andi).

I definitely enjoyed having less nutters on the track this month, and need to twist the throttle harder.

The one time I could've safely pasted Alistair I backed off as thought Tanya was about to separate from her bike (damned good save), and let Julie through not long after that. But, it was nice to be able to keep up with someone who I used to keep up with (once) and now usually blitzes me (admittedly he was on someone else's bike). No matter, I had a hoot, and was most impressed I actually managed to string 40 laps together (my plan of attack had been about 20 and pull off).

[Shorty_925]

Waiting for the swelling to go down and then take it from there, hopefully only that.

[NSR143]

Brent and I stayed in Auckland where a mate put us up in central city and got us a Pizza at 11pm after we spent 5 hours at the Hospital only to be told they would prefer treat Brent in Hastings as that was where he was from, I should have taken a pocket knife and stabbed him in the eye and they may have seen it different, eye injuries get sorted on the spot. We saw Chris van O on his way out of ED and he was still not enjoying the experience. Brent was happy to sit and eat ice cream while I drove back to Hawkes Bay in the Ryan Firn loaned Ford 'crazy' Laser. A bit of glue and a bit of welding and the NSR will be back on the track, Brent may take a little longer.

[Henk]

Bitch about the casualty list, and the treatment you got from the health system.
Other than the carnage it was a bloody good couple of days racing.

[50bucketracer]

Ha, I was going to add, should I even ask? How many times now Dave? Though I assume with son Nat rather than his Brother Steve like the old days. These poor old unreliable 4 strokes don't have a chance in these longer events huh?:innocent:

That was the 8th win out of 21 AMCC bucket 2 hours (38% success rate). For those interested, other multiple winners are Steve Diprose 5x, Karl Morgan 3x, Greg Pitches 3x, Nathanael Diprose 2x, Hayden Fitzgerald 2x, Owen Wilson 2x, Spencer Bell 2x.

Like you Dave, I am definitely a 2 stroke fan, but I have to very quietly admit that we were the only 2 stroke finisher in this year's race... & that was with our back-up motor...

[50bucketracer]

Here are the full results of yesteday's 2 hour race:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Rider 2 Bike Laps Superpole
1 88 David Diprose Nathanael Diprose RS80 223 1st 30.26
2 23 Gary Cunningham Dave Manuell CB140T 220 2nd 30.47
3 89 Karl Morgan Toby Summers CB125T 219 3rd 30.74
4 52 Richard Ford Tim Fraser FXR150 218 4th 31.64
5 0 John Thorp Nathan Thorp FXR150 207 21st 34.22
6 26 Brian Steffensen Kamil Chodor FXR150 206 15th 32.83
7 30 Allan Pirtle Doug Stockwell FXR150 206 7th 32.23
8 55 Noel Woods Craig Loades FXR150 204 11th 32.59
9 57 Luke Johnston Gary Johnston H125 204 16th 33.11
10 34 Gavin Veltmeyer Steve Booth FXR150 203 9th 32.40
11 60 Stephen Briggs Mario McMillan FXR150 202 12th 32.68
12 82 Grant Farquhar Graham Farquhar FXR150 199 17th 33.31
13 13 Henk Zeeven Craig Vickery FXR150 199 10th 32.46
14 69 Connor Lecheminant Jason Holmes FXR150 197 19th 33.56
15 38 Kelly Nicolson Arron Hooper FXR150 197 5th 31.86
16 19 Marc Wendelborn Nigel Reardon FXR150 197 -
17 4 Pete Dron Andrew Sam FXR150 196 25th 36.04
18 84 Carl Smith Andy Littleford FXR150 187 6th 31.91
19 7 Max Lyver Andy Lyver CBR150 172 22nd 34.73
20 716 Josh Walby Peter Walby GL145 168 -
21 96 Grant Johnston Spencer Currie XL125 166 23rd 35.11
22 24 Nathan Shepherd Ash Hare FXR150 148 26th 36.10
DNF 18 John Steer Grant Salmon FXR150 148 8th 32.28
DNF 77 Steve Bennett Brent Stiver NS125? 52 24th 35.72
DNF 83 Damian Toman Detler Specht FXR150 ? 13th 32.71
DNF 94 Tyler Firn Ryan Firn FXR Loncin 4 14th 32.75
DNF 10 Grant Thorp Paul Cibulskis FXR150 ? 18th 33.44
DNF 54 Scott Kelly Stuart Cullen RS125 ? 20th 33.70

Apologies that my results table has lost its formatting...

[50bucketracer]

& here are the results of the B grade 40 lap enduro:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Bike Laps Superpole
1 28 Royd Walker-Holt FXR150 40 4th 35.34
2 10 Grant Thorp FXR150 40 1st 33.44
3 4 Tanya Zolebliak FXR150 40 7th 36.20
4 77 Paul Cibulskis NS125? 40 6th 35.97
5 34 Julie Cottrell FXR150 37 8th 36.75
6 92 Alistair Walling FXR150 36 10th 40.14
7 44 Michelle Zeeven FXR150 36 -
DNF 6 Simon Robson ? 5 2nd 34.23
DNF 94 Brent Stiver FXR Loncin 0 3rd 35.32
DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93
DNF 3 Blair Robson FXR150 0 9th 36.92

[Damien_Toman]

Thanks for the detailed results. It was a great race. Pity my team had a front tyre puncture - Detlev was lucky and showed skill in not crashing - we were both going well. Thanks to John and the organising team - much appreciated. I also watched Warrick brave the unending stream of bikes to put cement dust on the oil at the pits corner onto the straight after Carl's crash - a job very well done - all while still making sure bikes were OK to go back on the track. Well done to every finishing team. I'm not sure I could have lasted the whole 2 hours!

[kel]

What a great day! A big thanks to John and everyone else involved in making it happen (including the weather gods for playing their part)
Also a big thanks to my partner Arron, for a suspossed B grade rider to step up and lap as strong as he did really shows his potential with the new bike (no excuses Arron we know the bike is ready).
Hope all those that suffered injuries (and mechanical failures) recover quickly and that we see you all again next year
:drinkup:

[Ned Kelly]

We certainly had a bad start with Cully hitting the deck after Pumba came up the inside of him and taking them both out after only 8 laps. He looked in not the best shape and was all he could do to keep circulating. I take my hat off to him for putting up with the pain when i seen the X-rays today. Nice broken collar bone.
I was surprised that we were still on track for at least 200 Laps when an electrical issue put pay to our race. Bugger.
Got the bike back on the dyno today and managed to locate the problem. Bloody battery of all things to give us problems. Run the bike up again and still pulling 23hp. All good for Hampton Downs in a few weeks. Big that to John and Wendy and all involved with the 2hr. Hope everyone recovers from there injuries and is ready to go for the next event.

[Arronduke]

23hp.... :gob:

what hope do us 4stroke riders have?

[Pumba]

Nice broken collar bone.

:gob:Well that doesnt make me feel good:bye:

Cant say how sorry I am, was completly my fault

[Ned Kelly]

:gob:Well that doesnt make me feel good:bye:

Cant say how sorry I am, was completly my fault

Never mind Pumba. We know you never intended it to happen. Must have seen the red haze. Bring a box of beers and your bike around to our workshop. I am sure we will forget all about it.

[TZ350]

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The Victim .......

223732

Pumber, Chambers likes his beer in green bottles.......

[TZ350]

& here are the results of the B grade 40 lap enduro:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Bike Laps Superpole
1 28 Royd Walker-Holt FXR150 40 4th 35.34
2 10 Grant Thorp FXR150 40 1st 33.44
3 4 Tanya Zolebliak FXR150 40 7th 36.20
4 77 Paul Cibulskis NS125? 40 6th 35.97
5 34 Julie Cottrell FXR150 37 8th 36.75
6 92 Alistair Walling FXR150 36 10th 40.14
7 44 Michelle Zeeven FXR150 36 -
DNF 6 Simon Robson ? 5 2nd 34.23
DNF 94 Brent Stiver FXR Loncin 0 3rd 35.32
DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93
DNF 3 Blair Robson FXR150 0 9th 36.92

DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93

Broken coller bone, knocked off by some DickHead........ who didn't have the guts to man up with an appology afterwards......

60+ paid riders last Sunday, lots of cowboys, two ambo rides and some broken coller bones.........

I see some rider re-eduction coming..........

[bucketracer]

Like you Dave, I am definitely a 2 stroke fan, but I have to very quietly admit that we were the only 2 stroke finisher in this year's race... & that was with our back-up motor...

Our 2-Strokers DNF'd because dickheads knocked the riders off, the bikes survived but the riders didn't........

[Henk]

[B] two ambo rides and some broken coller bones.........


Three that I know of. Sam, Chambers and Brent from Hastings. The youngest Robson has curently unknown damage to his foot as well, in hospital waiting for the swelling to do down for a diagnosis last I heard.
Not a good tally for the day.

[TZ350]

Three that I know of. Sam, Chambers and Brent from Hastings. The youngest Robson has curently unknown damage to his foot as well, in hospital waiting for the swelling to do down for a diagnosis last I heard.
Not a good tally for the day.

And Chris V, with a broken coller bone is another.......

There was a time when the Team would come home with a few brusies and a scrape or two but now it's broken bones..........

I talked with JC about it and he is concerned too, and asked for constructive input........

[Dutchee]

Actually, looking at the B grade enduro results, out of the 4 DNF's - three of those were due to injury. Not sure about why the 4th rider DNF'ed.
All I know is I saw the riders down, and was glad when they moved. I know I didn't take anyone out, and that was one reason I couldn't get past Alistair, I didn't want both of us to go down in a screaming heap, I'd rather have come last than try a risky passing manoeuvre. Everyone who went past me (multiple times), it was a clean pass, so not sure if there was one or more riders who caused grief on the day.
Hopefully the injured will heal quickly and not be put off (I do know that feeling).
Michelle

[Buckets4Me]

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The Victim .......

223732

Pumber, Chambers likes his beer in green bottles.......

have a look at the pictures over Cullys Broken sholder (the rider in yellow)

thats how you make a pass if you cant stay on the bike at the same time :p

[Rick 52]

It was hard work in the 2 hr I was wishing my last 10 mins of my 30 min sessions away ,Chambers watched me as I got off the bike on my last go and my legs didn't work..Had to have a sit down .Sorry to hear about your break (Brave ride)..I am feeling a bit guilty for some of my passes early on after my bad start just like Pumber But I was lucky that I didn't hit anybody ..I was trying 10 -10ths for the race ..Detlev said I could have been more gentle with my passes ...Sorry for that :facepalm: ..Most people gave plenty of room but a few tried to pass back or block the line that was hard when you have Garry on your tail ...Speedy recovery to all broken riders.

[Shorty_925]

& here are the results of the B grade 40 lap enduro:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Bike Laps Superpole
DNF 6 Simon Robson ? 5 2nd 34.23
DNF 94 Brent Stiver FXR Loncin 0 3rd 35.32
DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93
DNF 3 Blair Robson FXR150 0 9th 36.92

In this order:
6 - Bike stopped, jumped on my bike and went out for a play.
94 - Muffler fell off
93 - Crash
3 - Crash

[Henk]

Must admit that I was going a lot harder than last year. We ran 20 minute sessions same as last year but where I took an endrance race approach to that one this year was three 20 minute sprint sessions, pretty sure none or my passes were on the dodgy side but some would have been close. I think the harder racing at the two hour this year may reflect the way things have gone in the club series which is a lot tighter than it was this time last year. Unfortunately it's the passee rather than the passer that always seems to come off worse.
Not sure what the answer is other than find some way to get the passing manoeuvers cleaned up a bit. When the red mist is down after a while any gap no matter how small starts to look atractive.

[TZ350]

Unfortunately it's the passee rather than the passer that always seems to come off worse.
Not sure what the answer is other than find some way to get the passing manoeuvers cleaned up a bit. When the red mist is down after a while any gap no matter how small starts to look atractive.

Putting the moves on, and it all going pear shaped can happen to anybody, but we all know the rules......

So my first thought was, enforce the number one rule, that the rider who is making the pass is responsible for the safety of the whole manover, or the other one that requires riders to ride responsibly........

Someone tries a passing move, someone falls off, no excusses, its time out in the naughty corner for someone......

And that means a passing manover related crash and "Someone is Putting Their Bike On The Trailor" for the rest of the day and the Clark of the course gets to decide who.......

This covers dodgy passing and door shutters.......

JC says he can't see everything, so use a video, sure a vid camera may not reveal the detail but will tell us who was involved.

We don't have to understand the ins and out's of the crash, the facts are, someone did not pull the manoeuvre of safely or the other rider rode irresponsibly, end of story, one or both...naughty corner.

Result, unless they are hopelessly retarded and self eliminating, riders might start using some intelligence and think about how they are developing their race craft........

People like Chambers already help out on the start line and giving JC a bit more help running a meeting might allow him more time to assist riders to improve their game........

My 2cents worth.

[NSR143]

& here are the results of the B grade 40 lap enduro:

Place Bike # Rider 1 Bike Laps Superpole
1 28 Royd Walker-Holt FXR150 40 4th 35.34
2 10 Grant Thorp FXR150 40 1st 33.44
3 4 Tanya Zolebliak FXR150 40 7th 36.20
4 77 Paul Cibulskis NS125? 40 6th 35.97
5 34 Julie Cottrell FXR150 37 8th 36.75
6 92 Alistair Walling FXR150 36 10th 40.14
7 44 Michelle Zeeven FXR150 36 -
DNF 6 Simon Robson ? 5 2nd 34.23
DNF 94 Brent Stiver FXR Loncin 0 3rd 35.32
DNF 93 Chris van Oosterom TZR50 0 5th 35.93
DNF 3 Blair Robson FXR150 0 9th 36.92

errr.... that 4th place No.77 was actually Dave Breski, first race meeting he's ever taken part in. He's the guy we stay with when we come up for the 2hr. He over all did better than us!

[NSR143]

Must admit that I was going a lot harder than last year. We ran 20 minute sessions same as last year but where I took an endrance race approach to that one this year was three 20 minute sprint sessions, pretty sure none or my passes were on the dodgy side but some would have been close. I think the harder racing at the two hour this year may reflect the way things have gone in the club series which is a lot tighter than it was this time last year. Unfortunately it's the passee rather than the passer that always seems to come off worse.
Not sure what the answer is other than find some way to get the passing manoeuvers cleaned up a bit. When the red mist is down after a while any gap no matter how small starts to look atractive.

Rider conduct it's called.. it's in the MNZ book but hard to manage at a small meeting with only a few eyes to watch, a few black flags would soon make people think if we/you had the man-power. Sadly the other option is reporting on your fellow riders. Most of the riders are pretty good really, the super fast guys can still freak you out and not cause a problem. I got hit hard in the ribs by a handlebar/clutch on the infield right hander on Saturday going anti clockwise, thankfully my giant rear wheel with more gyroscopic force than all the FXRs put together kept me safe.

[kel]

What did I miss? I thought everyone was well behaved. As Rick said there were some silly attempts at blocking and passing back but that aside I thought everyone did a great job of holding their line. Infact there was some bloody good racing through traffic and for me there was no contact with or from any other rider for the entire race.

[stivernz]

Actually, looking at the B grade enduro results, out of the 4 DNF's - three of those were due to injury. Not sure about why the 4th rider DNF'ed.
All I know is I saw the riders down, and was glad when they moved. I know I didn't take anyone out, and that was one reason I couldn't get past Alistair, I didn't want both of us to go down in a screaming heap, I'd rather have come last than try a risky passing manoeuvre. Everyone who went past me (multiple times), it was a clean pass, so not sure if there was one or more riders who caused grief on the day.
Hopefully the injured will heal quickly and not be put off (I do know that feeling).
Michelle

I DNF'd due to jettisoning muffler in the 40 lapper. :facepalm:
My off was in the 2hr only got 3 laps in my stint and taken out (like Chris) at the end of start/finish straight (like Chris), by some unknown sh.. :angry:
Grade 3 dislocation of shoulder AC joint. 6 - 16 weeks recovery hahaha
Plenty of time to work on improving the ride aye Steve.

Still a good weekend taking 1st and 2nd for B Class national round.

Thanks to all the supporters for their input.

Cheers
Brent

[TZ350]

What did I miss?

A couple of ambo's and several broken coller bones that needn't have happened.....

The carnage was mostly being inflicted on the less able by the stupid....... top class riders probably didn't notice it happening.....

[F5 Dave]

Handle bars in the ribs is a funny accident, I mean funny strange. Twice when I've taken someone off that's how I've done it. Both time I felt I wasn't in the wrong. First time was at Mt wgtn clockwise first pit corner there was a slow lass & we went one either side. But she got a bit spooked from the first guy & moved sideways into me.

Most recent was Ruapuna. Apparently from the back it looked like my fault. All I was doing was going around the outside of a slow 4 stroke on my 50 on a long sweeping corner. But he was inexpereinced & just kept drifting wide after I went past & hooked my ribs. Gee sorry dude, but. . .

Of course in both cases I went to apologise. But there is a line.

On the other hand I have had the bars wrenched out of my hands by someone passing & turning over my front wheel. That sucks & is obvious what is going to happen.

[50bucketracer]

errr.... that 4th place No.77 was actually Dave Breski, first race meeting he's ever taken part in. He's the guy we stay with when we come up for the 2hr. He over all did better than us!

I can get the results ammended for that. All we can go on is Wendy's sign-on info, & if its not made clear to her what riders are on which bike, then we will never know.

On the subject of all the crashes & injuries, most of it seemed to happen in the B grade or to slower riders in the 2 hour. I know we got through the 2 hours without making contact (even though Nathanael had a miraculous save, when he was cut off rather aggressively during a passing move) & I believe most of the top scorers got to the end without incident. Having made around 500 overtaking moves (between the 2 of us) during the 2 hours, it was quite a challenge to get through unscathed. There was a big difference in speed & some riders had rather erratic lines. The hardest thing was riders that tried to race when they were being lapped. As John said in the riders briefing, that doesn't help safety... Keeping a smooth line & allowing room for faster riders to get past on either side is the surest way to stay upright. If passing riders are overly aggressive, I'm sure John will deal with that if they are pointed out to him.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah good point, most people realise that they aren't at the pointy end of the field & don't want to hold the front runners up, I certainly never did. But from time to time you get people you are lapping trying to race you & block you.

One chap bad for it in wgtn no longer races, another does & I've seen him crash out front runners. I tell you it gets frustrating if it affects your race with another front runner.

[Chambers]

I certianly did not expect to get taken out so early and I carried on so my mate could get a ride in and yes my 2nd time out there I was only lapping at 36/37 seconds and had no problem with guys lapping me and hoped that I could hold my lines, by the time I came in (20mins) I was unable to use the front brake as my arm was completly numb so sorry if I was a pain. Green bottles TZ J D is better

[NSR143]

Handle bars in the ribs is a funny accident, I mean funny strange. Twice when I've taken someone off that's how I've done it. Both time I felt I wasn't in the wrong. First time was at Mt wgtn clockwise first pit corner there was a slow lass & we went one either side. But she got a bit spooked from the first guy & moved sideways into me.

Most recent was Ruapuna. Apparently from the back it looked like my fault. All I was doing was going around the outside of a slow 4 stroke on my 50 on a long sweeping corner. But he was inexpereinced & just kept drifting wide after I went past & hooked my ribs. Gee sorry dude, but. . .

Of course in both cases I went to apologise. But there is a line.

On the other hand I have had the bars wrenched out of my hands by someone passing & turning over my front wheel. That sucks & is obvious what is going to happen.

As it happens he ran up the inside of me as I was already in the turn, more of a speed vs speed misjudgement I think than anything... no one fell off so all good!

[richban]

hummm. These big races are always hectic on track with such a large speed difference across the field. Especially on a Kart track. BOB and Taupo have the same issue but a hell of a lot more room. Sorry to hear there was so much injury, looked from the photos you guys had a great turn out and some good weather. I hope we get the same for the wellington meet on the 28th. Come on down.

[Detlev]

And overall for the series? Who got the places for the series in b-grade?

Can some one please fill me in and tell me the final results for the North Island series A and B grade?

[NSR143]

Can some one please fill me in and tell me the final results for the North Island series A and B grade?

Top 21 totals For NI Series 2010....
Tim Fraser 132
Tyler Firn 103
Rick Ford 100
Max Lyver 69
Henk Zeeven 61
Stephen Coombes 60
Detler Spacht 59.5
Simon Robson 53.5
Tex Deller 50
Damien Toman 50
Peter Robson 43.5
Malcolm Nabbs 43
Glen Skachill 40
Blair Robson 36.5
Dean Miller 35
Richard Ban 34
Nigel Manning 29
Caleb Adlam 28.5
Hamish Murphy 28
Andrew Adlam 25
Steve Bennett 25